People who are half white and half Asian are sometimes called Eurasians or hapas, which is a Hawaiian term that comes from the English word half. Here are some famous ones – Americans, mainly (famous means famous enough to be in the Wikipedia):
Ann Curry, Keanu Reeves, Eddie Van Halen, Dean Cain (“Lois & Clark”; born Dean Tanaka), Miranda Cosgrove (“iCarly”), Vanessa Hudgens (“High School Musical”), Steve Berra, Maya Soetoro (Obama’s sister), Rob Schneider, Tommy Chong (of Cheech & Chong), Stacy Kamano (“Baywatch Hawaii”), Jennifer Tilly, Meg Tilly (born Margaret Chan), Lindsay Price (“Lipstick Jungle”), Mark-Paul Gosselaar (“Saved by the Bell”), Phoebe Cates, Liz Cho (ABC News), Jessica Gomes (Australian model), Enrique Iglesias, Kristin Kreuk (“Smallville”), Nancy Kwan (“The World of Suzie Wong”), Vanessa Minnillo (“TRL”), Russell Wong, Betty Nguyen (CNN), Lina Teoh (Malaysian beauty queen), Devon Aoki, Maggie Q and Lisa Joyner (TV Guide).
Those listed above were half East Asian. These are half South Asian:
Norah Jones, Boris Karloff, Sir Ben Kingsley and Yasmeen Ghauri.
These are part Asian and part white, but not necessarily half-and-half:
Bruce Lee, Yul Brynner (“The King and I”), Nicole Scherzinger (Pussycat Dolls), Patricia Ford, Michelle Branch and KT Tunstall.
As far as I know Miley Cyrus (“Hannah Montana”) is not part Asian, but she sure looks it to me, just as Hudgens and Cosgrove do:
She was caught in a picture pulling her eyes up at the corners, something white children do to Asians for some racist laughs. For someone so much in the public eye I thought she would know better, but if she is secretly part Asian it starts to make sense in a backwards way.
But my powers of observation are pretty poor when it comes to part Asians. I thought that Eddie Van Halen and Rob Schneider were plain white and Nancy Kwan was plain Asian, for example.
I once had Yasmeen Ghauri and Ann Curry on a list of white women but I was dutifully informed that they were not pure enough to count as white. The white race is the poorer for it. I remember looking at Ann Curry on the morning news – I could look at her forever – wondering if she was white or what. I did not see the Japanese in her. I thought maybe she was from Tennessee and part Cherokee or something.
To be hapa in America is different than being either White American or Asian American. For one it means having to deal with two different worlds, one white and one Asian American, belonging to both and yet belonging to neither.
Some can pass easily between the two worlds or at least within one of them, but others feel like outsiders forever in both, never fully accepted by either whites or by Asian Americans. That is the biracial experience. On top of that your parents do not understand what you are going through. So it helps if some of your friends are hapas too.
See also:
sometimes I cheat when I can’t recognise a person’s “ethnic mix” or if it’s too long and wordy – I just label them human 🙂
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Ok. Keanu? Makes sense that he’s part asian. But Rob Schneider? Are you sure he’s HALF asian?
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yeah, Rob Schneider is part Filipino…
Abagond… will you be doing an entry on Afro-Asian after this? or Amerasians in general?
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Zack from “Saved by the Bell” is half-asian? And Enrique Ingleses? I thought he was of Latin descent.
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Anon,
Igelasis is half Spainiard, half Filipino (Filipinos tend to have Spanish blood, as well).
I see you took me up on my idea, Aba! Way to go! I’m suprised you didn’t get as comphrensive as you did with the black/white one.
There’s actually way more “hapas” in the public eye than you listed but I’d be up all night rattling off their names. Karen O (frontwoman, Yeah Yeah Yeahs), Pete Wentz (Fall Out Boy), Jason Momoa (actor/Lisa Bonet’s babydaddy-lol) and Rachel Roy (designer) are three omissions that I noticed right off the top.
It’s funny, most of these celebs are seen as white (as you saw Ann Curry, who’s clearly someone of a color-to me anyway). Their race is rarely brought up or contested over.
Do you think Hapas have an easier time adjusting to life in a white society than someone who is black/non-black? Is their interracial status less of an issue? If so, why do you think it is, in constrast to someone who is black in some way? Why do people contest over Obama or Halle Berry’s “race”, yet rarely do so for Ann Curry, Keanu, Rob Scheinder and most of the others on the list?
What say you, Aba and everyone else out there?
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mynameismyname – Why do people contest over Obama or Halle Berry’s “race”, yet rarely do so for Ann Curry, Keanu, Rob Scheinder and most of the others on the list?
Try hanging out in an Asian community and you’ll change this question real quick.
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Therese,
I’m very aware of Eurasians being a hot topic among East Asian Americans (that makes sense) but I’m talking about in American society overall.
I’d like to hear Abagond and others’ responses to the questions I posed in post #5. It should be interesting.
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I just don’t see how they are less Asian by having a European foreparent. I see them as being part Asian, part European and full human being.
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Having read the personal accounts of Americans who are stuck between Asian and white and those who are stuck between black and white, it seems that hapas have a way easier time of it. They are less torn, their growing up is far less paniful. Many of the issues are the same but things are less extreme. In general.
That is anecdotal and not based on any survey, but it stands to reason: the racism against Asians is less and it is easier for half Asians to pass as white. That becomes clear if you compare the pictures on this page with those who are half black and half white:
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That said, I once knew someone from Sri Lanka who was part white and part Asian. He came to America to go to Lafayette College. The racism against him there was so bad he went back home after two years. (I am pretty sure the racist assholes there would be “offended” if you called them racist.)
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Therese said:
I just don’t see how they are less Asian by having a European foreparent. I see them as being part Asian, part European and full human being
If you do not look fully Asian or fully white then there will be Asians and whites who will not fully accept you as one of their own, fair or not. At least in America.
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I did get the idea for this post from mynameismyname. Thanks!
I will probably do one on those who are part black and part Asian, like Tiger Woods and Amerie.
I would also like to do one on Amerasians – the half-American children left behind in Vietnam, some of them half black, some half white.
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If you do not look fully Asian or fully white then there will be Asians and whites who will not fully accept you as one of their own, fair or not. At least in America.
I was only saying what my own thoughts are but yes, it’s true… as is the case with the Amerasians – the Vietnamese didn’t want to have anything to do with them and neither did most of their American parents. People never cease to baffle me with their lack of logic.
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Interesting about Miley. I wondered the same thing about Taylor Swift.
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sorry terese in a perfect world “catagories” like race colour etcetera would not be applicable and wouldn’t matter, but this world is full of fallible people and these catagories are used.
Also these catagories by no means are dehumanising in all contexts, they sometimes just provide markers to explain how we look to one and other. if i came to visit you in the us, not knowing what i look like, how could you recognise me? these racial catagories are essentially ways to visually identify people. I’m short, petite and have a large smile. adding my race onto the description will narrow the serch.
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Exactly Lifeisannoying,
Race is an identifier. Of course, it’s not a benign one. In the western world, “white”, “black” and the like have heavy conutations tied to them. But yeah, in many instances, it merely just describes how someone looks.
Aba,
In my experiences and from my observations, whites rarely made a big thing out of someone being Eurasian. They were just generally seen as white and identified themselves as such. This goes for any “multiracial” person who didn’t have any known African blood. I’ve known people who were white/Native, white from Latin America, etc. Their “biracial”-ness was rarely brought up. They were just simply white.
I mean, are Vanessa Hudgens and Keanu ever described as “biracial” or “mixed” by the mainstream media or the general public?
Is there an issue with interracial unions and their offspring, overall? Or just when “black” is in the picture? Can someone please explain the disparity in reaction and perception?
Also: I’ve heard stories about Lafayette College actually, in terms of the racial disharmony there. Same with Clemson University, in South Carolina.
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I think it’s obvious to anyone who is observant, that, in America, people of part Asian part White descent are NOT treated in the same NEGATIVE, RACIST manner that people of VISIBLE Black descent are. Many Whites who have a ANTI-BLACK, RACIST attitude towards IRR’s that involve Blacks have NO PROBLEM with IRR’s with Asians. This is further evidence of the lingering ANTI-BLACK RACISM that exists in American culture. When Black people (of every variety) are finally treated the way part Asian part White people are treated we’ll be able to say that America is TRULY post racial.
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mynameismyname said:
Is there an issue with interracial unions and their offspring, overall? Or just when “black” is in the picture? Can someone please explain the disparity in reaction and perception
Here is the difference, at least in America, in very simple terms:
If you look Asian or part Asian, then White Americans will see you as a foreigner at some level. That is why they keep asking “Where are you really from?” and why “New Jersey” is never the right answer to that question.
If you look black or part black (which come to the same thing under the One Drop Rule), then White Americans will see you as screwed up at some level. Blackness is a stain, like in the title of that Philip Roth book.
So from the point of view of white grandparents, having grandchildren who are part Asian is hardly the end of the world. In fact, it might even be kind of cool.
But having grandchildren who are part black would mean having black grandchildren, which means the children would be messed up for life.
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As far as I know, Miranda Cosgrove doesn’t have any Asian ancestry. It looks like she does, though.
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I would have to agree with abagond. Asians do discuss the bi-cultural dissonance of being Asian and White (Asian and Black is a rare combination and that grouping is rarely discussed within the context of being hapa), but it doesn’t have the antipathy when it is Black and other. When White/Other concerned parents say, What about the children, it is a patronizing concern, since the real worry behind that statement is that the children may be viewed as Black and since Black is often seen as a negative “stain” by most races, it further separates the child and the Black parent as Other and they may not be able to successfully assimilate into White/Mainstream culture like many Asians can.
Certainly Asian groups may be seen as other, but I think it has more to do with being a curiosity as opposed to being seen as blight. Asians are viewed favorably overall, Blacks are always negatively construed.
On a side note, Devon Aoki is another Hapa (father asian mother white) and she certainly epitomizes an Asian and White beauty ideal that can be mainstreamed. Also of note if Hapas cannot break into Hollywood they often go overseas to Asia and are treated like rockstars. Many models over there are Eurasian.
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http://eurasiannation.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=celebrities&thread=10167&page=1
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Oops. Didn’t mean to post a bare link. I have no idea about Miranda Cosgrove other than the fact that my third grade daugher is a devout fan of iCarly. Seems to be a lot of speculation about her on the internet, though.
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lifeisannoying – these racial catagories are essentially ways to visually identify people
LOL, try telling THAT to mynameismyname, s/he won’t tell me if s/he is Caucasian or not! (not that it’d narrow it down much lol, nordic or mediterranean? african or arab? subcontinental or east asian? So all I know is that s/he is most likely to walk on two legs (don’t know for sure as the able bodied are not the only bodies), two arms (a guess only), two eyes most likely brown as is the majority of people (mine are dark brown too), 4 fingers and a thumb on each hand (again another guess) but it doesn’t matter really – it’s just the internetz for now… I guess at least I know a tiny fraction of her/his mind on very specific issues but I have no idea what s/he thinks of spagetti flavours, fruit salads or preferred pets…
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haha terese , how asinine! if you went to any international airport looking for someone you know only by name and the fact that they walk on two legs (there go all the quadroped humans). but seriously if they added oh by the way i have come back from afganistan and i am missing an arm (or leg or finger or eye) that is useful information about appearance right? so is specifing a racial background it makes you aware of the basic phenotype you are looking for. there may be one or two white, black, asian soldiers missing appendages in the airport also? hypothetically.
asinine!
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lifeisannoying – what is wrong with you? I was trying to say that such a description would get me nowhere
gee, don’t I just LOVE being insulted at this blog, I don’t know why I even bother.
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Ann Curry on a list of white women but I was dutifully informed that they were not pure enough to count as white.
Ann Curry’s mother is Japanese, I don’t see it as a matter of purity but as an acknowledgment of one of her parents. In contrast, Angelina Jolie starting talking about her Iroquois heritage before she even met any of her indigenous relatives. (at least she did eventually meet them..) I would call her white with some Native ancestry.
Burt Reynolds and Tommy Lee Jones both have a Native American grandparent. I am not sure how they view or present themselves although Burt Reynolds did portray a Native American in one of his earlier films.
As for Miley Cyrus, it’s possible she has some Native American (Some tribes do have epicanthic folds) background, fairly common in the South where here parents are from. Partially East Asian background is also fairly common among some Finns, some Norwegians, and some Eastern Europeans.
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Regarding Miley Cyrus, she has no known Asian heritage. As far as I’m concerned, she’s ignorant and I’d daresay a racist. She claimed she was only joking around (that eye-slanting gesture) with friends. Later on, she made a an apology saying if…and there’s that word IF she offended anyone, it was unintentional. Some apology…half-assed at that.
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You forgot to add Russell Wong on the list.
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Yes! Russell Wong was a glaring omission. Funny, his first child’s mother is black.
For what its worth, I don’t see any East Asian influence in Miley Cyrus’ face whatsoever. Many ethnicities have slanted eyes. It’s not exclusive to East Asians at all! Knowing where Cyrus’ lineage begins (the deep American South), it wouldn’t be impossible for her to have some African blood as many whites in the Deep South do. They’ll kill you if you find this out but still it doesn’t change the facts!
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I did know if Russell Long was half-white. Thanks. I added him.
I hate those if-apologies.
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check out my videos flipondeck on youtube
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Ummm Steve Berra is not part Asian.
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Hi abagond. I just found this out. Please add Metallica’s Kirk Hammett to your list. He’s half-Filipino.
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they can t have a problem with them becz fist of all they more close looking white than a Black person do , I mean they look exotic enough but not too much( skin darker,different eyes and black hair for some…) but they still have the predom. white looking. and white women can relate to them and white men have always had a thing for asian women.
but like black the most asian known are half – something , just few of asian asian are known so asian yes but not too much.
some of the list are really beautiful, beauty really come within all race
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I see that Rachel Roy, fashion designer, is missing. She’s East Indian and Dutch.
Sanjaya, of American Idol fame, is also missing. He’s Indian and Italian.
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The first time I found out Mark-Paul Gosselaar aka Zack Morris of Saved By The Bell was half-Asian (half-Indonesian to be exact), I was thinking, “Get outta here! No way!” I thought he was the typical sunny California type of guy.
Here’s a pic of him with his mom as a child.
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Yeah, Leigh204, I was also suprised to find out that he was Indonesian as well.
I see plenty of East Asian women with their Eurasian children. But in most cases, you can see the Asiatic influence physically. In Gosselaar’s case, however, it’s extremely muted. Genetics are such a tricky, unsure thing! LOL.
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Half-Filipino and half-Greek WWE’s Batista
Half-Filipino and Half-Italian MMA’s Brandon Vera
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Zack Morris is half Asian? No way! He looks like a quentissential white guy. Nothing about him says Asian. That is surprising.
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I forgot about Batista! Yeah, he sure is half Filipino! My nephew tried to argue with me that he isn’t. “He’s a Spanish dude!,” he maintained. LOL.
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Ditto on Zack Morris: you would have no idea he was part Asian just looking at him.
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If I remember correctly, I read somewhere that actor Lou Diamond Philipps is part-Asian and part-White but not half-and-half.
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Yeah, Phillips is half Asian. I want to say that his mother is a Filipina. His father was Irish and Native American. This came out of LDP’s own mouth…if only I can remember it accurately!
Nia Peebles, another racially ambigious ’80s star, is half Filipino.
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Ooh, yeah! Nia Peeples!
@abagond:
What about a half-Asian and half-Black thread? I’d be more than glad to add some names. 🙂
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I know a few of those too! Although, I think they are outnumbered by white/Asians.
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^ I believe so, mnimn. Abagond, what do you think?
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Oh yes, I want to do a post on that too. Name away!
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filipinos dont “tend” to have Spanish blood dont be ignorant a whooping 2% are of Spanish descent n miley cyrus dad looks part native american.
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Most Filipinos look like other SE Asians. And a minority have Spanish descent. So? That doesn’t make them any better than anyone else.
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I am half Japanese but I don’t feel accepted by Caucasians at all. I think it depends on your appearance? I have olive skin and black wavy hair and a large frame. I live in an oil town in Canada and I get called a “chug” (offensive term for native american) on almost a daily basis. If I go into a store I I get glared at like I’m going to steal something.I’ve been searched several times too.
People here are so ignorant. A homeless guy once called me “Ni***r” because I didn’t have any change to give to him.
there are lots of Lebanese, south Asian and east African immigrants here. They seem to be obsessed about finding out “where I’m from”.”Are you Turkish?” “are you Ethiopian?” blah blah blah
I have Hapa friends but they look quite Caucasian. Caucasian people seem comfortable around them and readily accept them…
I feel much more comfortable in Asia and around Asians than Caucasians. I can’t wait till I can get out of here.
I’ll have to show my friends this site. she refuses to believe that Rob Schneider is half Filippino.
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@Nozomi:
I’m sorry you’re going through so much. When you mentioned you’re from an oil town in Canada, I’m guessing you’re referring to out West, say, Alberta? If you’re from that area, I wouldn’t be surprised about the racism as I’ve had friends who’ve moved there, and say the same thing.
Oh, and Rob Schneider is half-Filipino. He has talked about his Filipino mom in interviews and he also puts her in his movies.
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Half white and Half asian (Japanese)
Sean Lennon
Mike Shinoda (Linkin Park)
Paul Kariya (NHL hockey player)
Apolo Anton Ohno (2002 Winter Olympic short track speed skater)
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who said Miranda Cosgrove from ICarly is chinese or Japanese?
Nathan Kress looks half Oriental too
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Miranda Cosgrove isn’t actually Eurasian. Apparently, she’s of Welsh, Armenian (that makes her look asian), Russian and Italian. I was suprised when I first found out. I thought she was actually part Philipino.
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Regarding Mark-Paul Gosselaar, I wonder if his mother may be mixed herself. His father is Dutch, and the Netherlands has a large population of mixed Dutch-Indonesians. Here are some examples from the Dutch football team: http://eurasian-sensation.blogspot.com/2009/09/dutch-indonesian-footballers.html
But Indonesians generally do not have the stereotypical look people think of as being Asian (in terms of eyes, straight hair, etc). My mother is Indonesian and I don’t look stereotypically Asian at all, but I noticeably not of the same ethnicity as my white father. People usually think I’m Brazilian or South African.
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One of those guys on the list is hot! Since I have prejudice towards football players, I am sure he’d dumb, but he looks good (at least on the photo).
And yes, I am aware my comment is shallow.
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Correction: I am sure he’s dumb.
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I’m sure nobody cares, but the lead guitar player for Metallica is half Irish half Filipino.
Top selling heavy metal artist of all time!
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I care, I care about Kirk!!!!!
And he has a name, thankyouverymuch.
I mean, Metallica is not what it used to be, but that’s another story.
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Yeah sorry LOL. Kirk Hammet, his name would have been helpful. I always thought he was Hispanic with his curly hair, but I have always been a bad judge when it comes to someones ethnicity.
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but why doesnt Mark have the trade mark eyes and facial features of a person of Chinese or japanese descent?
I think his more like a quarter
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about Rob Sciender some say his a quarter not full
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and about the Miley Cyrus incident I am sure it was just a joke and everyone takes it and makes a hugh deal when its really not
Its like blazing Saddles we will take the ni*gers and the ch*nks but we dont want the IRISH!
Funny movie everyone should see it
but the sad thing is cable takes out the funny parts
like the n word and the c word and the other stuff that makes it funny
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Drake
and about the Miley Cyrus incident I am sure it was just a joke and everyone takes it and makes a hugh deal when its really not
FU*K just a joke. It was not funny at all. Miley Cyrus is just another racist as white person whose parents should have taught her some manners and how to respect people.
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EurasianSensation, I went to your site and saw your picture, you’re cute, LOL. You look to be part black!
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The funny thing is, I thought Miley Cyrus is part Asian. I guess she isn’t, but she looks like part Asian to me.
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I agree with Leaveumthinking about “just a joke”
and Mira about Miley Cyrus looking part Asian.
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In fact I thought Miley was pulling a Malkin: setting herself against Asians to “prove” her whiteness.
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but its okay for Chinese to joke about the dumb whites??
How is the respect?
It acceptable to say white people are dumb but Miley is a racist for doing that with her eyes?
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then no more white jokes about white people becuase there is plently of jokes about the white person his not off limits but everybody is?
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There are jokes about white people?
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abagond
In fact I thought Miley was pulling a Malkin: setting herself against Asians to “prove” her whiteness.
your as bigoeted as you say Miley is!
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but its okay for Chinese to joke about the dumb whites??
How is the respect?
It acceptable to say white people are dumb but Miley is a racist for doing that with her eyes?
Please! Stop trying to derail and victim blame. What Miley did was racist. Period.
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get out of the Ghettos and you’ll see white people jokes and I dont see the minorites complaining!
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Leaveumthinking
but its okay for Chinese to joke about the dumb whites??
How is the respect?
It acceptable to say white people are dumb but Miley is a racist for doing that with her eyes?
Please! Stop trying to derail and victim blame. What Miley did was racist. Period.
AND WHAT JESSE JACKSON DID WAS ALSO RACIST! I dont see you complain to him! I see you support HIM!
Said the N word and I want to cut his balls off!
Stop derailing the real issue at hand you just want black power and Asian power!
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Is this
get out of the Ghettos and you’ll see white people jokes and I dont see the minorites complaining!
a response to my comment?:
There are jokes about white people?
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People mention affirmative action as if it’s a black thing. White women benefit the most from affirmative action.
And, apparently, since blacks have the highest unemployment rates even amongst college graduates and whites have the lowest, affirmative action does not consist of “You’re black, here’s a job. You’re white, sorry,” like white people sometimes pretend it does.
But back to the topic. Based on many things she’s done, I just figure Miley is too young and immature to know any better. Hopefully, she’ll learn soon.
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@Drake:
Oh, yes, it’s some joke alright. It’s so funny I forgot to laugh. What Miley Cyrus did was disgusting. Pulling the corner of her eyes to slant them reminds me of the jerks who did the same thing to me and the few other Asians throughout our years in school. So please spare the bullshit that it was all an innocent joke.
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Based on many things she’s done, I just figure Miley is too young and immature to know any better.
I dont buy the too young argument. Shes old enough to know right from wrong. Shes been a celebrity in the public spotlight long enough to know better. You must meant shes to spoiled to care.
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^I think 17 is pretty young, but yes, I was going to add “spoiled,” but I didn’t want to lay into her too much. 🙂
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@Leaveumthinking:
I’m just waiting for a previous comment that’s in moderation right now, but I agree. She’s not too young. She definitely knew what she was doing. Screw her.
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To leigh204:
I’m just waiting for a previous comment that’s in moderation right now, but I agree. She’s not too young. She definitely knew what she was doing. Screw her.
She had just turned 16 when the photo was taken and it would appear she was in the company of older people, two of whom appear to be Asian. (one East Asian the other South Asian..)
Would you agree then that 16 year olds when going through the court system should always be tried as adults.
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AND WHAT JESSE JACKSON DID WAS ALSO RACIST! I dont see you complain to him! I see you support HIM!
I support whatever black person I want. Dont tell me who to complain about and dont question me about black people.
Said the N word and I want to cut his balls off!
Dont worry about what blacks say to each other. What buisness is that of yours? Worry about what white people do let blacks handle or own buisness concerning each other. Stay in your place and out of black people lives.
Stop derailing the real issue at hand you just want black power and Asian power!
This comment is too stupid for a response
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Its old now.
The black power thing….They say the same thing about Obama some whites feel scared and they say they want
“their country” back. Or they don’t want blacks to take over.
True power comes from inside of a person, not from a country built upon lies, America was built upon lies and eventually succumb to its own true falsehood.
then how do we do it eyes?
Well if you were white you would be scared.
No american was not built on lies america was built on freedom and equality
Becuase one example is the slave trade africa was part of the slave trade and I dont hear Jesse Jackson Al Sharpton say africans need to say Sorry to there country who enslaved them and forced them to the land of milk and honey.
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Natasha W
People mention affirmative action as if it’s a black thing. White women benefit the most from affirmative action.
And, apparently, since blacks have the highest unemployment rates even amongst college graduates and whites have the lowest, affirmative action does not consist of “You’re black, here’s a job. You’re white, sorry,” like white people sometimes pretend it does.
But back to the topic. Based on many things she’s done, I just figure Miley is too young and immature to know any better. Hopefully, she’ll learn soon.
it is a black thing!
lets not sugar coat shall WE?
and why are blacks unemployed? Becuase they dont want to leave the ghettos or leave there home circumstances. They dont even know about Denzel Washington Whoopi Goldberg etc etc
there has been reverse racism for quite some time!
who is working menial jobs? blacks and other minorites
Who works at restuarant frachises? blacks and other minorites
So please dont tell me whites get the jobs
Oh Miley has learned minorites are nuts and they will play the race card as long as it benefits them
Just like Jesse Jackson saying I want cut his balls off!
if he had a job like Jimmy the greek the blacks would protest and make sure he is fired!
You dont want ot admit your own racism and bigotry when Isiah Washington said FAG the blacks backed him UP!
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Leaveumthinking
Based on many things she’s done, I just figure Miley is too young and immature to know any better.
I dont buy the too young argument. Shes old enough to know right from wrong. Shes been a celebrity in the public spotlight long enough to know better. You must meant shes to spoiled to care.
well too bad you dont! and until white people stand up the minorites will think they can get away with murder
which they have and saying things about there president OBAMA
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Leaveumthinking:
I’m just waiting for a previous comment that’s in moderation right now, but I agree. She’s not too young. She definitely knew what she was doing. Screw her.
well if Marcus Chong did what Miley did you wouldnt make him say sorry since he has black privilage
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@Uncle Milton:
I think 16 year olds should be tried on a case by case basis particularly if a heinous crime was involved. And regarding Miley Cyrus, she may have turned 16 and in the company of older people and as you mentioned two of the people were Asian, so what does the pulling the corners of the eyes mean?
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AND WHAT JESSE JACKSON DID WAS ALSO RACIST! I dont see you complain to him! I see you support HIM!
I support whatever black person I want. Dont tell me who to complain about and dont question me about black people.
Oh I know i know and you let them get away with murder
Said the N word and I want to cut his balls off!
Dont worry about what blacks say to each other. What buisness is that of yours? Worry about what white people do let blacks handle or own buisness concerning each other. Stay in your place and out of black people lives.
then stay out of white people lives and dont be hypocritical when a white persons says the N word!
Stop derailing the real issue at hand you just want black power and Asian power!
This comment is too stupid for a response
No its not its very true!
you have the power and you still bitch becuase you want total control
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Drake:
Your comments are hard to follow. Please use double quotes (“) when quoting someone else.
Or you can make it like a dialogue in a play with the person’s name before his lines.
Or if you know some HTML, you can put other people’s lines in italics or boldface.
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No american was not built on lies america was built on freedom and equality
Becuase one example is the slave trade africa was part of the slave trade and I dont hear Jesse Jackson Al Sharpton say africans need to say Sorry to there country who enslaved them and forced them to the land of milk and honey.
Oh wow, in one single post, I think you’ve just covered a fourth of the topics that abagond has wrote posts about. Including, but not limited to “blame-shifting,” “Blacks are racist too,” “How to argue like a white racist,” and “Just world doctrine.”
Bravo. That takes skill.
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leigh204
@Drake:
and about the Miley Cyrus incident I am sure it was just a joke and everyone takes it and makes a hugh deal when its really not
Oh, yes, it’s some joke alright. It’s so funny I forgot to laugh. What Miley Cyrus did was disgusting. Pulling the corner of her eyes to slant them reminds me of the jerks who did the same thing to me and the few other Asians throughout our years in school. So please spare the bullshit that it was all an innocent joke.
and please spare me how your so discrimanated against and you still say you are but you wont recoganize your own racism to your own people!
No it was funny and you had to make such a stink of it
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Drake,
it is a black thing!
lets not sugar coat shall WE?
No, it’s not a black thing. Do a Google search. You’re making yourself look very misinformed, and honestly, delusional.
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[b]Natasha W
No american was not built on lies america was built on freedom and equality
Becuase one example is the slave trade africa was part of the slave trade and I dont hear Jesse Jackson Al Sharpton say africans need to say Sorry to there country who enslaved them and forced them to the land of milk and honey.
Oh wow, in one single post, I think you’ve just covered a fourth of the topics that abagond has wrote posts about. Including, but not limited to “blame-shifting,” “Blacks are racist too,” “How to argue like a white racist,” and “Just world doctrine.”
Bravo. That takes skill.[/b]
HAHA!!
No I am just an ameteur your friends Jesse Al Wright have it down to an art form
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No_slappz’s long lost brother? 😉
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[bold]Natasha W
Drake,
it is a black thing!
lets not sugar coat shall WE?
No, it’s not a black thing. Do a Google search. You’re making yourself look very misinformed, and honestly, delusional.[/bold]
yeah it is
Obama in office and you say his white washing the black issues
you want the link?
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Drake:
Use <b> and </b> for bold and
Use <i> and </i> for italics.
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Drake, your comments are too ignorant to entertain. I would be here all day refuting them and I’m trying to work right now.
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I think the Miley Cyrus thing is blown out of proportion. When Dave Cheppell or Chris Rock do a white man impression where they walk around like there is a stick up their ass, and they talk all proper, they are stereotyping white people, but it is hilarious. I think it is okay to poke fun at our differences as long as it does not become hateful. I think joking about our differences is healthy.
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To Leigh204:
And regarding Miley Cyrus, she may have turned 16 and in the company of older people and as you mentioned two of the people were Asian, so what does the pulling the corners of the eyes mean?
She turned 16 on November 28, 2008 (My daughter likes her.. errrghh…) and the controversy hit in early February 2009 from a photograph that had been taken at some earlier indeterminate time. I did talk to my daughter about it and said I thought it was irresponsible and I never wanted to see her do the same thing (my daughter was 9 at the time..) so I do not condone Ms. Cyrus actions. But when a young person is surrounded by people older than her including two Asians I can see easily see her being swayed into thinking this is just fun. Unfortunately racism against Asians is not something that is really brought to the forefront in the US.
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@Uncle Milton:
So what you’re saying is that she just went along with it because everyone else did it? Well, perhaps you can explain this to the individual boys who slanted their eyes at me on different occasions. They were younger than 16.
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To Leigh204:
Well, perhaps you can explain this to the individual boys who slanted their eyes at me on different occasions. They were younger than 16.
The photograph included an East Asian man who looked like he was trying to make his eyes bigger and as far as I know was not directed at anyone. As I said I don’t condone her actions. If she had made slanted eyes towards someone who was Asian then I would have a much harsher view of her. The boys who did that to you clearly had the intention of making you feel bad. I don’t get that from the picture that was made public.
My father is Jewish. (and lost cousins due to their ethnicity in WWI) Here is a photo of the late Keith Moon of the Who in a N-a-z-i uniform.
http://www.spinner.com/2007/09/19/rocks-hardest-partiers-no-3/
If he had walked into a Synagogue wearing it I would have kicked his backside but apparently he would just get drunk and show up at parties in uniforms like this or wearing a woman’s dress. Bizarre.. but designed to affront Jews… apparently no. So I overlook such actions.
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@Uncle Milton:
Who’s to say the Asian guy didn’t have his eyes like that already? I mean, where do people come up with the ideas Asians always have small eyes? If you look at the picture again, the people including Miley Cyrus slanted their eyes behind the Asian guy’s back…every single one of them.
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I stand corrected. Not everyone was pulling their eyes, but they all made their eyes squinty.
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[b]blackinhs[/b]
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Dochartaigh
I think the Miley Cyrus thing is blown out of proportion. When Dave Cheppell or Chris Rock do a white man impression where they walk around like there is a stick up their ass, and they talk all proper, they are stereotyping white people, but it is hilarious. I think it is okay to poke fun at our differences as long as it does not become hateful. I think joking about our differences is healthy.
Exactly!
but whites should NOT DEAR make fun of Chinese Japanese Woman gays etc etc
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Uncle Milton
To Leigh204:
And regarding Miley Cyrus, she may have turned 16 and in the company of older people and as you mentioned two of the people were Asian, so what does the pulling the corners of the eyes mean?
She turned 16 on November 28, 2008 (My daughter likes her.. errrghh…) and the controversy hit in early February 2009 from a photograph that had been taken at some earlier indeterminate time. I did talk to my daughter about it and said I thought it was irresponsible and I never wanted to see her do the same thing (my daughter was 9 at the time..) so I do not condone Ms. Cyrus actions. But when a young person is surrounded by people older than her including two Asians I can see easily see her being swayed into thinking this is just fun. Unfortunately racism against Asians is not something that is really brought to the forefront in the US.
if its not mean spirited I have no problem with it!
Come on chinese eat dog and cat and Japanese eat fish and Koreans eat rotten foods!
as long as its not hurting people whats the big deal?
Damn lighten up
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leigh204
@Uncle Milton:
But when a young person is surrounded by people older than her including two Asians I can see easily see her being swayed into thinking this is just fun.
So what you’re saying is that she just went along with it because everyone else did it? Well, perhaps you can explain this to the individual boys who slanted their eyes at me on different occasions. They were younger than 16.
well what were the circumstances
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Uncle Milton
To Leigh204:
Well, perhaps you can explain this to the individual boys who slanted their eyes at me on different occasions. They were younger than 16.
The photograph included an East Asian man who looked like he was trying to make his eyes bigger and as far as I know was not directed at anyone. As I said I don’t condone her actions. If she had made slanted eyes towards someone who was Asian then I would have a much harsher view of her. The boys who did that to you clearly had the intention of making you feel bad. I don’t get that from the picture that was made public.
My father is Jewish. (and lost cousins due to their ethnicity in WWI) Here is a photo of the late Keith Moon of the Who in a N-a-z-i uniform.
http://www.spinner.com/2007/09/19/rocks-hardest-partiers-no-3/
If he had walked into a Synagogue wearing it I would have kicked his backside but apparently he would just get drunk and show up at parties in uniforms like this or wearing a woman’s dress. Bizarre.. but designed to affront Jews… apparently no. So I overlook such actions.
first of all Jews are a religion not an ethincity culture they are a religion and you forget Hogans Heros had one Jew play a german officer and Ben Foster who is Jewish wore a costume of Nazi in Liberty Heights
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Oh man Drake agreed with me, I’m never gonna live that down.
Drake
Your not going to accomplish anything except inflate your own ego by ranting the way you are on this blog. Believe me I disagree with a lot of what is said on this blog, but your going about it the wrong way.
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that was made public.
Who’s to say the Asian guy didn’t have his eyes like that already? I mean, where do people come up with the ideas Asians always have small eyes? If you look at the picture again, the people including Miley Cyrus slanted their eyes behind the Asian guy’s back…every single one of them.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/02/11/alg_miley_cyrus.jpg
How do you know she wasnt joking?
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leigh204
I stand corrected. Not everyone was pulling their eyes, but they all made their eyes squinty.
and whats wrong with that?
if it was a joke?
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@Drake:
Yeah, it was a joke. Hahahahahaha! See? I’m laughing now. Oh, hardy har har har! What a new slapper!
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To Leigh204:
Who’s to say the Asian guy didn’t have his eyes like that already? I mean, where do people come up with the ideas Asians always have small eyes? If you look at the picture again, the people including Miley Cyrus slanted their eyes behind the Asian guy’s back…every single one of them.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/02/11/alg_miley_cyrus.jpg
He’s sitting very close to a guy who is pulling his eyes back….the White guys arms appear to be pressed into the East Asian man’s body. I don’t buy the idea that this was done without his knowledge. As for Asians and eyes.. yeah I have traveled plenty in Asian.. so I know some Asians have “big and/or round” eyes including many Vietnamese, Filipinos, Southern Chinese, Thais, Burmese, and also some Northern Chinese and Koreans I have met.
I wasn’t clear before … I had read somewhere that the Asian man had apparently intently tried to open his wider. Whether this is accurate or not I am not sure.
Here is the Asian fellow in the photo:
http://www.angryasianman.com/2009/02/asian-guy-in-miley-cyrus-photo-revealed.html
Now these are a different story in my opinion:
http://www.angryasianman.com/2008/08/chink-eye-photos-week-in-review.html
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To Drake:
Come on chinese eat dog and cat
I had at some dog meat in Vietnam. It didn’t taste very good to me.
Japanese eat fish..
They eat fish! Shocking.. pass the sardines.
and Koreans eat rotten foods!
What..? Are you talking about Kimchi… it’s fermented not rotten. Similar to sauerkraut.
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Ó Dochartaigh
Oh man Drake agreed with me, I’m never gonna live that down.
Drake
Your not going to accomplish anything except inflate your own ego by ranting the way you are on this blog. Believe me I disagree with a lot of what is said on this blog, but your going about it the wrong way.
then what way do you want me to go?
Blacks are the ones who say Tigar Woods needs to identify with only black
Mariah Carey needs to identify with black
Ra Dawn Chong needs to only identify with black
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leigh204
@Drake:
Yeah, it was a joke. Hahahahahaha! See? I’m laughing now. Oh, hardy har har har! What a new slapper!
Yeah Right!
Rolls eyes
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Uncle Milton
To Drake:
Come on chinese eat dog and cat
I had at some dog meat in Vietnam. It didn’t taste very good to me
well thats the differences with americans and Southeast asia
Japanese eat fish..
They eat fish! Shocking.. pass the sardines.
Sardines are fish that is raw
and Koreans eat rotten foods!
What..? Are you talking about Kimchi… it’s fermented not rotten. Similar to sauerkraut.
Have you tried some?
same thing
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@Drake:
Yeah, it was a joke. Hahahahahaha! See? I’m laughing now. Oh, hardy har har har! What a new slapper!
Yup, just as I figured. It went way over your head. 😀
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@Uncle Milton:
I do understand where you’re coming from. However, this is my take on the picture. The white guy could’ve easily been leaning against the Asian guy’s shoulder/back for a closer shot. And the Asian guy may not have noticed the white guy doing the slanted eye routine as he is more upfront than the white guy. I’ve taken pictures with people pressed up against/behind me making obscene hand gestures and I didn’t see it at the time. 😉
I agree about the Spanish men’s/women’s basketball, tennis, soccer teams. And the same with the Argentinian team. It’s blatant and downright disgusting.
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mark paul gosselaar yummy
russell wong yummy
keanu reeves yummy
dean cain yummy
i didn’t know about dean cain, i knew about mark though, first i was shocked when my sister told me his hair was not actually blonde and was died that way to make him look more “californian surfer” type, then i was really surprised when i found out he was half asian. i miss saved by the bell.
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dyed*
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[b]alwaysright101
mark paul gosselaar yummy
russell wong yummy
keanu reeves yummy
dean cain yummy
i didn’t know about dean cain, i knew about mark though, first i was shocked when my sister told me his hair was not actually blonde and was died that way to make him look more “californian surfer” type, then i was really surprised when i found out he was half asian. i miss saved by the bell.[/b]
Lets not forget Chad Micheal Murray
and in a lose sense the
Jonas Brothers
Busey Family
Tommy Lee Jones are also asian or Oriental they come from Native americans who are distantly related to Chinese people
Jonas and Chad are so yummy
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I hate to find myself agreeing with anything Drake says, but I do think to some extent the Miley Cyrus thing has been blown way out of proportion.
The gesture has a very ugly history. But I think a lot of people don’t quite get that. They say and do things that are stupid or offensive because they don’t realise that it has that effect on others. In the same way there are a lot of young white people who think it’s okay to say “nigger” because they hear black people say it in rap music. They don’t understand the history behind it or the context of what it means to people who have been on the receiving end.
So I think it may just be Miley’s ignorance, rather than her necessarily having any hateful or racist intention. So she deserved to be called out for the gesture, and hopefully she has now learned why it is so inappropriate.
I’d also add that it is hard for any of us to say what was the context of the photo in which Miley is making that gesture. Many of us say or do things which are fine in a particular context, but someone looking on who doesn’t understand that particular context might misinterpret it as offensive.
As an example: a few Indian friends and I were joking around and speaking in exaggerated Indian accents to each other. A passerby looked at me in disgust because she wrongly interpreted that I (as the non-Indian) was mocking the Indians in a racist fashion, rather than participating in a joke that the Indians were in on.
Not saying anything like that was necessarily going on with Miley, but sometimes things are more complicated than they seem. It’s hard to tell from a single snapshot.
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chad michael murray is hot…i don’t know if he is asian though, and i don’t trust you since you are arguing with everyone in this post.
and the only good looking jonas brother, is the middle one…but all 3 of them suck like all the other current disney stars.
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Eurasian Sensation
I hate to find myself agreeing with anything Drake says, but I do think to some extent the Miley Cyrus thing has been blown way out of proportion.
The gesture has a very ugly history. But I think a lot of people don’t quite get that. They say and do things that are stupid or offensive because they don’t realise that it has that effect on others. In the same way there are a lot of young white people who think it’s okay to say “nigger” because they hear black people say it in rap music. They don’t understand the history behind it or the context of what it means to people who have been on the receiving end.
So why do Blacks say it and feel entitled to say it?
and use the slang form of Nigga which is Nigger?
People black white Yellow etc etc are sometimes on the recieving end of racism what ever racism that is
So I think it may just be Miley’s ignorance, rather than her necessarily having any hateful or racist intention. So she deserved to be called out for the gesture, and hopefully she has now learned why it is so inappropriate.
but you dont understand School culture they say that all the time
Not saying anything like that was necessarily going on with Miley, but sometimes things are more complicated than they seem. It’s hard to tell from a single snapshot.
Exactly and it just shows how Orientals can be
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@Eurasian Sensation:
See what I mean. Are you sure you still agree with this guy?
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alwaysright101
chad michael murray is hot…i don’t know if he is asian though, and i don’t trust you since you are arguing with everyone in this post.
and the only good looking jonas brother, is the middle one…but all 3 of them suck like all the other current disney stars.
http://www.zimbio.com/Chad+Michael+Murray/articles/7/Prince+Charming+Chad+Michael+Murray
http://www.celebrina.com/chad-michael-murray.html
all of the Jonas brothers are cute woof
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go figure, i did not know chad was 1/4 Japanese. Interesting.
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leigh204
@Eurasian Sensation:
Not saying anything like that was necessarily going on with Miley, but sometimes things are more complicated than they seem. It’s hard to tell from a single snapshot.
Exactly and it just shows how Orientals can be
See what I mean. Are you sure you still agree with this guy?
Well since you know southeast asia so well what should we call ourselves?
Becuase in your views indians are also asian but russians cant be asian even though they live in the same contenitnant!
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@ leigh204:
there is a saying that even a broken clock can be correct twice a day. So once in a while amidst all the nonsense, Drake might say something that makes sense, even if it is by accident.
@ Drake:
do you REALLY not understand that there is a difference between white people’s use of the N-word, and the way black people use the word amongst themselves?
If not, I really can’t be bothered to explain it to you.
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@ leigh204:
there is a saying that even a broken clock can be correct twice a day. So once in a while amidst all the nonsense, Drake might say something that makes sense, even if it is by accident.
@ Drake:
do you REALLY not understand that there is a difference between white people’s use of the N-word, and the way black people use the word amongst themselves?
If not, I really can’t be bothered to explain it to you.
yeah its black entitlement
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@ Drake:
Black entitlements: being able to say the world “nigga”.
White entitlements: institutional power, higher income, greater opportunities at all levels of society.
Who gets the better out of that deal, I wonder?
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Drak has got to be the most trolliest of trolls to ever stomp his way to Abagond’s blog I mean I thought No Slappz was bad but DAYUM I have been laughing at all this guy’s post I mean seriously. He has used every single racist argument in the book. America was not built on lies it was built on equality LMFAO tell that to the Native Americans.
Derailing
Blame shifting
The Just Doctorine
Denial
The Arab Trade Argument
and of course it’s just a joke.
Oh and Drake you wrote
“as long as its not hurting people whats the big deal?”
Well When Miley did that she hurt a lot of Asian people so yeah.
Now I have heard some bull crap but the things that Drake has written is just some freshly squeezed bull crap
Reguarding Miely Cyrus she and I are the same age both born in 1992 if I know what she did was wrong and I was/am young then she was supposed to know too dumb ho.
And so what if black people say nigga to one and other how does it concern you. Hey why don’t white people start calling each other cracker in endearment will that make you feel better? I was watching a Rob Schinder movie “Big Stan” and that is what all the white inmates in the movie were calling each other so you can join in too.
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@ Eurasian Sensation
Black entitlements: being able to say the world “nigga”.
White entitlements: institutional power, higher income, greater opportunities at all levels of society.
Who gets the better out of that deal, I wonder?
That reminds me of one Chris Rock bit where he would be alright with switiching places white can scream nigger and he will raise intrests rates LOL
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If anything, the fact that “ignorant” people can come on here and be “ENLIGHTENED” is an opportunity.
Not that everybody will like this analogy, and I’m not a Christian, but I often use the same when talking or discussing “theology” with my fellow man.
Jesus did not come to preach to the righteous, he came to preach to the sinners. Likewise, while this blog is a community of like-minded people, it should also be a place for education of individuals that might otherwise not have the opportunity to better understand the racial condition in the “Good Ole U.S.of A.”
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Eurasian Sensation
@ Drake:
Black entitlements: being able to say the world “nigga”.
White entitlements: institutional power, higher income, greater opportunities at all levels of society.
and yet blacks dont even recognaize there OWN do they?? its always the institutional power isnt it?
Who gets the better out of that deal, I wonder?
whites and Orientals since there willing to work for it
BLacks its us against the whites
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ColorOfLuv
If anything, the fact that “ignorant” people can come on here and be “ENLIGHTENED” is an opportunity.
and what opportunity is that?
down with the white establishment and in order to kill it we need diversity?
Not that everybody will like this analogy, and I’m not a Christian, but I often use the same when talking or discussing “theology” with my fellow man.
Jesus did not come to preach to the righteous, he came to preach to the sinners. Likewise, while this blog is a community of like-minded people, it should also be a place for education of individuals that might otherwise not have the opportunity to better understand the racial condition in the “Good Ole U.S.of A.”
Oh I understand the GOOD OLE U.S.A!
far better then you!
did you even watch the show BLack WHite?
Did notice the black man or proably biriacal man say blacks are the ones disicrimanated againts but when his son buys a watch his mother says WHERE IS YOUR MONEY NEGRO!
and then its a wake up call to teach there SON about money!
Not about the SKIN COLOR
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Drak has got to be the most trolliest of trolls to ever stomp his way to Abagond’s blog I mean I thought No Slappz was bad but DAYUM I have been laughing at all this guy’s post I mean seriously. He has used every single racist argument in the book. America was not built on lies it was built on equality LMFAO tell that to the Native Americans.
and you havent? OKAY and its so funny I dont hear Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton help the Native americans!
So we shouldnt have made america? we should have lived in Tee Pees?
Derailing
Blame shifting
The Just Doctorine
Denial
The Arab Trade Argument
and of course it’s just a joke.
yeah just like when Jesse said I’ll cut his balls off and no black person says anything about what he said!
If it come out of Biden mouth the blacks would go ape sh*t!
Now come tell me I am racist for that term! Since I know you will even though its a figure of speech!
Let me see how dumb you are!
Oh and Drake you wrote
“as long as its not hurting people whats the big deal?”
Well When Miley did that she hurt a lot of Asian people so yeah.
Now I have heard some bull crap but the things that Drake has written is just some freshly squeezed bull crap
and your bull crap is nothing new and it hurts your cuase but you will never know it!
Reguarding Miely Cyrus she and I are the same age both born in 1992 if I know what she did was wrong and I was/am young then she was supposed to know too dumb ho.
Oh see now your trying to piss on me! and you know all about white privelage dont you!
there are no white people that are as poor and uneducated as you!
And so what if black people say nigga to one and other how does it concern you. Hey why don’t white people start calling each other cracker in endearment will that make you feel better? I was watching a Rob Schinder movie “Big Stan” and that is what all the white inmates in the movie were calling each other so you can join in too.
why dont you get an education and move away from the ghettos!
SO what? it shows how racist you are!
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@Drake
OMG so funny and so unitelligent. LOL
Behold Drake the new King of trolls take your throne located underneath a bridge if you need help getting there then I can always get some of this:
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]Aiyo
@Drake
OMG so funny and so unitelligent. LOL
Behold Drake the new King of trolls take your throne located underneath a bridge if you need help getting there then I can always get some of this:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f399/myfask/258Troll_spray.jpg
Tunk you Tunk you Tunk you!
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@Eurasian Sensation
I get what you’re saying. lol!
Talk about a subtle yet effective burn. 😉
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Eurasian Sensation
@ leigh204:
there is a saying that even a broken clock can be correct twice a day. So once in a while amidst all the nonsense, Drake might say something that makes sense, even if it is by accident.
I get what you’re saying. lol!
Talk about a subtle yet effective burn.
and hopefully you all will learn there is racism on both sides of the issues
Black White
East West
Muslim Hindu
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You still don’t get it, do you drake?
ES was referring to you. lol!
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I didn’t know Bruce Lee was a quarter German.
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leigh204
You still don’t get it, do you drake?
ES was referring to you. lol!
Oh I got it I am the king of trolls!
among troll society that is a great honor!
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leigh204
I didn’t know Bruce Lee was a quarter German.
Does anyone have any thing to back it up with?
I knokw alot of blacks say they have more Native american blood and that isnt true there more white then they would care to admit
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I knokw alot of blacks say they have more Native american blood and that isnt true there more white then they would care to admit
What does this have to do with Bruce Lee? Why are you so worried about blacks? Some whites may have more black blood than they care to admit. Have you thought about that?
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@Leaveumthinking
Some whites may have more black blood than they care to admit. Have you thought about that?
Good point Leaveum!
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Leaveumthinking
I knokw alot of blacks say they have more Native american blood and that isnt true there more white then they would care to admit
What does this have to do with Bruce Lee? Why are you so worried about blacks? Some whites may have more black blood than they care to admit. Have you thought about that?
yeah I have and I really dont think that is likely
Becuase its the blacks who say the want change and change it too suit there communities not the world community
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@Leaveumthinking
Some whites may have more black blood than they care to admit. Have you thought about that?
Good point Leaveum!
Good point?
whites are the ones who are not saying we are the victims its the blacks
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I believe Miley Cyrus is part Cherokee.
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miley’s grandma is filipino
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^Really? Source?
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Yeah, I’d like to know the source. This is the first time I’ve heard of Miley Cyrus having a Filipino grandmother. Are you sure elle that you’re not confusing her with someone else?
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CiCi
I believe Miley Cyrus is part Cherokee.
So why are people against what she did with her eyes?
every person has done that even i have done that and I am half Chinese
its a joke
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EVERY person has done that? Really now? The billions of people throughout the world have done what you claim? You must have good eyes.
And what does being half Chinese have to do with anything? Here, have a cookie.
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leigh204
EVERY person has done that? Really now? The billions of people throughout the world have done what you claim? You must have good eyes.
And what does being half Chinese have to do with anything? Here, have a cookie.
No not all of them but they do joke on the white people being stupid and all
and I dont see any Koreans chinese or Japanese come to there defense
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Who are these people joking at the white people’s expense? And what do you mean by you don’t see any Koreans, Chinese, or Japanese coming to their defense? Whose defense?
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leigh204
Who are these people joking at the white people’s expense? And what do you mean by you don’t see any Koreans, Chinese, or Japanese coming to their defense? Whose defense?
Blazing Saddles
Robin hood Men in Tights
White Men Cant Jump
I dont see any Japanese Chinese person come to white peoples defense when movies portray them that way
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Wow, I have never seen so much ignorance in my life. I think someone needs to take an Anthropology course before mouthing off and maybe by some miracle be ‘enlightened.’
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drake needs to get over himself
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Most people who are half Asian/half white are gorgeous… *sigh* I wish I was half white… I’m completely Chinese, though…
My friend is half white/half Chinese, and she’s loads prettier than me… that’s to be expected, of course…
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Really? What if both parents were dog ugly?
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@Jamie:
Actually, it’s not to be expected. Half-Asian/Half-White are just like everyone else. Some are goodlooking while some aren’t. Personally, I know plenty of full Asians that command attention wherever they go, but that’s because they’re gorgeous to begin with.
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I agree, I don’t really think Eurasian people are necessarily good looking (except for hotties like me and leigh204 of course!) – there are ugly Eurasians just like any other racial group.
However, I think many folks find mixed people more “interesting” to look at, because they are less common and not quite one thing or the other. That sometimes gets confused with good looks.
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@Eurasian Sensation:
lol! Yes, you’re the hottie, you fine piece of hotness you. 😉
I have quite a few Blasian and Eurasian cousins in my family and some of them do get stared at for whatever reason. I don’t know if they’re considered goodlooking per se, but I do think they have a unique look about them.
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@ Leigh204:
btw I think you’d find this post interesting:
http://eurasian-sensation.blogspot.com/2010/07/you-are-not-eurasian-weirdest-email-ive.html
Relates not just to the half-Asian discussion but also to the other one we’ve had about SE Asians not being “real Asians”.
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So, who are”real Asians”, then? East Asians?
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Well Mira, some East Asians seem to think that way… there was a discussion on one of these threads about how Filipinos are considered not really Asian, but Pacific Islander, because they are darker and so on. It’s similar to the idea that Nordics are the “real” white/Caucasian people.
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True, true. It seems many parts of the world have this “not real” trope. We already seen there is one about who’s “really” African. Also, it’s similar for Europe. People often don’t think about it, but there is (based on several “criteria”, and not really about the race itself as you might think).
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@Eurasian Sensation:
Wow, Kiera sure does have a lot of nerve to suggest you’re passing yourself off as Hapa/Eurasian. She obviously has issues.
@Mira:
Regarding Filipinos not being considered “real Asians”, it’s supposedly due to not looking Asian enough. Also, Filipinos don’t use chopsticks, but spoons as well as their hands. And that Philippines was colonized by Spain for nearly four centuries and then by the US. Apparently, to some East Asians, the long colonization meant Filipinos lost their Asian-ness – whatever that means.
Yup, you hit the nail on the head.
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|Here’s what we learned in my (Eurocentric but not western) school, there were some people living in Asia who were not “Asian” (in a way of (pardon my lagnuage) “yellow” race). Those were whites (Caucasians), such as Russians, Turks, Arabs and Indians. In that sense, when you say “Asian” in my culture, people won’t think about an Arab or an Indian, but about someone who is of “Asian” race. That goes for both East and South East Asians, as well as for some of the people living in central Asia (but, interesting, not people from Turkey).
That’s why I was surprised to learn about SE Asians not seen as “real” Asians. I had no idea that sort of thinking existed. (Not that excluding Indians and Arabs is better or more fair).
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@Mira:
I know! It’s really silly. I mean, I grew up in a predominantly white neighborhood. The things my family and I experienced while living there, we were constantly reminded by white people that we were Asian and that we were perceived to be “different”.
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However, I think many folks find mixed people more “interesting” to look at, because they are less common and not quite one thing or the other. That sometimes gets confused with good looks.”
Quite true. “Different” is not the same as “good-looking,” but people seem to have a hard time separating the two.
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Mira
So, who are”real Asians”, then? East Asians?
I dont know since now Indians who never have been asian are but not Russians
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Mira
|Here’s what we learned in my (Eurocentric but not western) school, there were some people living in Asia who were not “Asian” (in a way of (pardon my lagnuage) “yellow” race). Those were whites (Caucasians), such as Russians, Turks, Arabs and Indians. In that sense, when you say “Asian” in my culture, people won’t think about an Arab or an Indian, but about someone who is of “Asian” race. That goes for both East and South East Asians, as well as for some of the people living in central Asia (but, interesting, not people from Turkey).
That’s why I was surprised to learn about SE Asians not seen as “real” Asians. I had no idea that sort of thinking existed. (Not that excluding Indians and Arabs is better or more fair).
becuase so called South asians are suddenly asia but russians are EUROPEAN even though but groups live on the some contentant
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Hah… Well, you have to define “Asian” first. Last time I checked, Arabian peninsula is in Asia. So is India. So is laaaarge part of Russia. Though Russia might be excluded here, because it is considered an European country.
The thing is, when they said “Asian” in my school, they meant on race. Arabs, Indians, etc. are Caucasian, which, in my culture, means “white race”. So there is considered to be a racial difference between Arabs and, say, East Asians. But NOT between East Asians and South East Asians.
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Quite true. “Different” is not the same as “good-looking,” but people seem to have a hard time separating the two.
Slightly off topic: I think I get the “mixed people appeal”. I think it’s a combination of familiar + exotic. It’s not surprise most of the people (as far as I can tell) prefer mixed individuals who are partly of their own race. So you get somebody whose features are familiar, but with exotic elements.
This all is bull sh.., of course. There’s no such thing as familiar and “exotic” elements combination… It doesn’t work that way. Plus, what if a mixed person gets “everything wrong”- all the features that are considered “bad”? Etc, etc.
But I don’t want to lie: I think I can understand the “familiar, but exotic” sort of thinking. I must also admit I am partly guilty for it myself. 😦
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@ Mik:
How can you say Indians have never been Asian? You might be thinking purely of the American context.
If you go to Britain and mention Asian, they will straight away think you are talking about a Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Indian/Sri Lankan.
Russia is iffy because while there are many ethnic groups in Russia who would be considered Asian, the dominant ethnic group (Russians) are essentially European.
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@ Mik:
How can you say Indians have never been Asian? You might be thinking purely of the American context.
If you go to Britain and mention Asian, they will straight away think you are talking about a Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Indian/Sri Lankan.
Russia is iffy because while there are many ethnic groups in Russia who would be considered Asian, the dominant ethnic group (Russians) are essentially European.
I know which is wrong becuase how do they know what a asian is when a chinese person walks in the room
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Dean Cain’s father is half Asian, so he’s not half Asian but a quarter Asian.
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[b]the floacist
Dean Cain’s father is half Asian, so he’s not half Asian but a quarter Asian.[/b]
well Dean looks more Japanese and guess who is also a Quarter Japanese Chad Micheal murray and he doesnt look Japanese. Meaning it would be hard for us to see his Japanese ancestry
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I didn’t know English actress Jane March was part Asian. On wiki, it states her mother is Vietnamese and Chinese.
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I didn’t know English actress Jane March was part Asian. On wiki, it states her mother is Vietnamese and Chinese.
well i wouldnt rely in wiki for anything but if Jane March is its hard to tell sometimes
Nathan Kress I think is Half or a quarter Korean
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miley cyrus look to have russian ancestry to me they have siberian/mongol influence.
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katie
miley cyrus look to have russian ancestry to me they have siberian/mongol influence.
So my question is how do we know she isnt half or has some mongolian ancestry?
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I just don’t see how they are less Asian by having a European foreparent.
They’re less Asian because the European foreparent is taking up space in their pedigree which thereby isn’t being taken up by an Asian.
I see them as being part Asian, part European and full human being…
I can’t dispute that.
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Who says Miranda Cosgrove is part Asian?
Are you counting Armenian as “Asian” just because it’s barely over the Urals?
Usually in America Asian is used in such a way as to exclude Caucasoid groups like the Armenians.
And Rob Schneider is 25% Asian, being 75% Jewish and 25% Filipino.
Phoebe Cates is only 25% Asian, being 75% Jewish and 25% Filipino.
Also, are you sure Eddie Van Halen was part Asian?
He just looks like a typical clog wearing Dutchman.
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[b]I just don’t see how they are less Asian by having a European foreparent.
They’re less Asian because the European foreparent is taking up space in their pedigree which thereby isn’t being taken up by an Asian.[/b]
That doesnt mean they are any less or more asian then others who look more chinese or Japanese.
[I see them as being part Asian, part European and full human being…
I can’t dispute that.
exactly
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<Who says Miranda Cosgrove is part Asian?
Are you counting Armenian as “Asian” just because it’s barely over the Urals?
Usually in America Asian is used in such a way as to exclude Caucasoid groups like the Armenians.
Why cant people identify with there asianness if there 1/100? If it wasnt for that one drop they wouldnt have been born! Well she could be
And Rob Schneider is 25% Asian, being 75% Jewish and 25% Filipino.
Phoebe Cates is only 25% Asian, being 75% Jewish and 25% Filipino.
there still asian
Also, are you sure Eddie Van Halen was part Asian?
Well I dont know about him but he could be
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They’re less Asian because the European foreparent is taking up space in their pedigree which thereby isn’t being taken up by an Asian.
Pedigrees are for animals, dude.
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The Van Halen brothers are definitely part Indonesian – either half or a quarter. I think a quarter. It’s pretty well known.
Look at Eddie and it’s not hard to see at all.
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The Van Halen brothers are definitely part Indonesian – either half or a quarter. I think a quarter. It’s pretty well known.
Look at Eddie and it’s not hard to see at all.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Eddie_Van_Halen_(1993).jpg
wikipedia is the most unreliable of websites
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They’re less Asian because the European foreparent is taking up space in their pedigree which thereby isn’t being taken up by an Asian.
Pedigrees are for animals, dude.
then why do we say Chad Micheal Murray is not asian becuase he looks white?
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@ Mik:
wikipedia is the most unreliable of websites
That’s a picture of him to show that he doesn’t look like a typical Dutchman. There are a multitude of sites that say that he is part Indonesian, if wikipedia is not good enough for you. As I say, it is pretty common knowledge.
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wikipedia is the most unreliable of websites
That’s a picture of him to show that he doesn’t look like a typical Dutchman. There are a multitude of sites that say that he is part Indonesian, if wikipedia is not good enough for you. As I say, it is pretty common knowledge.
Oh well I believe those websites not Wiki which everyone believes now in days. Did you know Chad Micheal Murray is a quarter Japanese? I am half chinese
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haha.. well Miranda is part Asian? haha the funniest thing ever!! she is full White.. of Italian, Irish, Welsh, Russian and Armenian background..! does Armenian make her Asian.. nooo! Armenian’s are White..as all other Middle Eastearn’s!! WTF??
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haha.. well Miranda is part Asian? haha the funniest thing ever!! she is full White.. of Italian, Irish, Welsh, Russian and Armenian background..! does Armenian make her Asian.. nooo! Armenian’s are White..as all other Middle Eastearn’s!! WTF??
Well MJ are you certain? How are all Middle Easterns white? Some are dark skinned like Alexader Siddig and his Uncle Is Malcolm McDowell and both have played on Star Trek.
I know Nathan must have some Korean Japanese or Chinese blood in him and Tommy Chong is half Chinese
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I’d be curious what percentage on this list have asian moms versus asian dads. The asian female/white male combo still seems to be the more er….trendy.
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All I can say is that I have notice that Asians people Japanese and SE Asians such as Filipinos, Thai etc.. are more open to everyone by that I mean all races, while East Asian especially Chinese and Koreans are more open just to “white” people than other races. Most of them their (Chinese and Koreans) friends are predominantly whites as if they specifically choose them.
I live in London and it’s a huge multi-cultural city(which I love dearly) and I agree that many ethnicity like to stick to their own but you will see Indians having black, white, Filipino, Arabs friends and same goes for white, black, Filipino and Arabs. But with Chinese and Koreans it either someone of their own country or white people, period. I am not saying that “all” of them are like that but most of them are.
So I asked my best friend who is from Philippine why is it like that. She told me that EA do not consider SEA as real Asians as their skin is darker than theirs and that in their(EA) culture “white” is considered to be “beautiful” and represent “wealth and good position in the society” while “Black or darker” skin is considered “not beautiful” and represent poverty and working in farm.
She also said that both E & SE Asia are heavily influenced by the western media(American media), that’s why a lot of them bleach their skin but EA women do it more than SEA women who she said feel comfortable in their own skin. She also adds because of the western media influenced they tend to believe what they see on TV and think that all blacks are the way they are portrayed on TV (criminal, drug addict etc…) so they tend to avoid even knowing them, but what they do not know is that the media is American and it portrays America and Americans, and that Black Africans, Caribbean and Americans are totally different from each others because of their culture and White Europeans and Americans are totally different from each other as well.
She said the other reason is the “parent” who will immediately accept for their son or daughter “especially daughter” to marry a WM/WW and will not be so happy if their son/daughter bring them a black, indian or SEA BF/GF just because of their skin colour as for them white is better if not “great” and for the reason given above.
I work in a very posh area of London (even though I am not rich myself) and another thing I have noticed is that most of those same EA women are practically all married to “white” men, not black, not Indian, not Pakistani etc and some of them to AM but rarely seen them. Their children friends are also the majority of time “white”. I’ll understand if they live in predominantly white area but as I said London is a multi-cultural city so everyone live everywhere, there is not an area of white, black, Indian, Chinese, Arabs etc, every areas are mixed with people of different background. I will understand if it is in the English countryside where the majority of the people are just white. But I don’t understand the one living in London on just wanted to be with white people.
Regarding mix-race A/W to tell you the truth I hardly can make the difference as they look white to me…well from far, it only when I get a closer look that I notice they are mix because of their eyes if not until someone or the person themselves tell me. While with mix-race black and white you immediately spot it because of the skin and the hair.
I am not generalising on all EA people as I’ve never been in Asia but I am talking about the one I have encountered here in the UK. So here are my questions… is it really that way in China and Korea? Are Chinese and Koreans really dislike other races except white? and do you think my friend is right about EA people?
PS: 1) I referred to EAW because I have noticed most of these things from them while AM are just like every men meaning they don’t really care and will be friends with anybody while in the other hand regarding marriage it’s another story.
2)Again I referred to Chinese and Koreans women as I have noticed most of these things from them while Japanese women are more open and friendly toward other races and same goes for SE Asian women.
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Miley Cyrus is part Cherokee, I believe.
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Wow, Frankstein’s monster was part South Asian! Which part was it?! LMAO!
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Kirk Hammett, Metallica´s guitarist. Half filipino.
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A big Indian-white celeb you missed is Gabrielle Anwar. Of course though, she’s seen as a white woman and exclusively plays white characters.
Another notable hapa is Sandrine Holt.
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@Raynasybelle
LOL every white person is “part Cherokee” whenever convenient.
So are half the people on this post. Ethnic when convenient.
Not buying it.
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why not? How is it ethnic when Convenient? Some people look very white and one of there ancestors is Native american. Now when people say they had a Native american princess then I dont believe it. Since Native Americans never had royality
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Wait a second.You mean a half asian half white van halen called pat smear ‘a dirty mexican’? The irony. No wonder he had tongue cancer.
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Cameron Quiseng is half Hawaiian, Filipino, Aztec, Polish and Irish descent
http://audreymagazine.com/tag/cameron-quiseng/
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i have double eyelids
yes i belong to the mixed ethnic background too!
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Me too I belong in that group too. Father Chinese Mother Scottish Welsh and English
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In the Philippine entertainment industry, and I’m sure in other parts of SE Asia, the coveted look is the half-white and half-asian look. That’s what you’ll see in Filipino television. I’ve heard from some Filipinos who purposely marry white people because they believe their children will be beautiful.
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@Peanut:
I’ve been a witness to it. The mother is usually a Filipina and she would make a comment at how beautiful her child is, “He/she gets it from the white side.”
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I think everyone is watching the Superbowl except for me. 😀 Are you?
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Well it true the majority of the time
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Dont believe everything in wikipedia
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Well my mom is white dad chinese
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Ive met some nasty looking half asian/ half white people, so, it’s a gamble if they really think that way.
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Half-Asian and half-white people are no more attractive than full Asian/white people.
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Well Generally speaking Generally
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No we are more attractive since there hard lines are not there
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Leigh204
In the Philippine entertainment industry, and I’m sure in other parts of SE Asia, the coveted look is the half-white and half-asian look. That’s what you’ll see in Filipino television. I’ve heard from some Filipinos who purposely marry white people because they believe their children will be beautiful.
You know? I heard the same thing from blacks. One black woman said on her webpage on BlackPlanet some years back said how she wanted to have babies by whites because she believes that her children will look beautiful. What’s even more sad was that this woman was extremely beautiful.
This image of whiteness as the standard of beauty can destroy the self esteem of many, and it already has.
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@brothawolf:
It’s apparent, bw. Having a white heritage mixed with another background doesn’t automatically make you incredibly goodlooking. The ones shown on tv tend to be models. And what are models known for? Their looks. Not because, “Oh, they have white in them so that makes them beautiful.”
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then be tough! Obivously she doesnt feel good about her race and puts down the half white and half oriental
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True, there are exceptions. I have a half Jack Russell / half Chitzu, and its very cute for a Jack Chit.
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Those half are more smart then you realize
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Oriental are rugs; not people.
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@Mik:
Prove it. You’re pulling stuff out of your ass. As always.
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@Mik:
You’re also creepy. Post stalking creep.
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I dont live in asia i live in North america!
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Well your pulling stuff out of your ass too! I dont live in asia! Just like blacks dont live in africa. Some whites are AFRICAN americans
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You know its the people who say I am creepy who are more creepy I should really get you that picture of Coolio or Snoop and Martha Stewart which one want to prison the rap artist or the home maker? I wonder!
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“Those half are more smart then you realize”
Not all. Some have trouble creating coherent sentences and using basic grammar, despite the benefits of a North American education.
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Maybe that’s one of the hazards of being half / half, you lose some brain cells.
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@Eurasian Sensation:
“Those half are more smart then you realize”?
lol! I know who you’re referring to, ES. 😉
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Some have learning disablities like me!
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HAHA Brain cells come from the people that gave birth to you.
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I’m an Eurasian girl and I’m ugly . Well, all the times I get followed around stores by security staff/ pestered by cops/my highschool experience etc would have me believe so, that’s for sure….. Hate the “all eurasians are goodlooking” stereotype.Plus all the ones on tv look very 50/50 mixed. I look native american more than anything else and here in Alberta looking Native means people treat you like a criminal at all times and as if you don’t have a functioning brain…..
Leigh204 is right Eurasians are definitely not anymore attractive than any other race/combination of races. Definitely some sort of cognitive dissonace going on. those who want to insist that eurasians are soooo attractive probably don’t notice those of us who are average looking or “ugly” though I hate to use that word.I always find it hilarious how differently (better) people treat me when they find out I’m Eurasian rather than Native canadian. suddenly I become “exotic” and told I should “be a model” rather than called a “chug” or “eww, she’s native!” something I’ve heard uttered by many a slimy fratboy while I’m simply walking down the street minding my own business.
I always joke that the best cure for an overinflated Eurasian ego is to move to Alberta canada ;).
really bugs me when some mixed race people insist that their full blooded counterparts on their ethnic side are “jealous” of them. Ok, some may be….but why? and is it really anything to be proud of/ boasting over? and should you be buying the bs idea that you’re somehow better/ more attractive etc than them simply because you have white blood? blechh…..
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why does it always have to be about the white blood?
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Mark paul Gosselar = Indonesian ( sundanese ) & dutch
edie van halen = Indonesian ( minahasan) & dutch
Michelle branch = Indonesian ( javanese ) & dutch
Maya Soetoro = indonesian & hawai
kristin Kreuk = Indonesian ( javanese) -china- dutch
I think the people of indonesia have European blood will look very attractive especially from the eyes and nose, flat rate in indonesia is very enchanting eruasian.paul if he laughed very similar indonesian people & michele branch is most similar to the people of indonesia
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many Dutch people who have the blood of moluccan (East indonesia) they very much playing football and they better look like the people of Brazil.
but paul, edie, michele,kristin,maya they have the blood of west indonesia ,
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@sushiandperogies:
I’m looking at your handle just now, is it safe to assume (please correct me if I’m mistaken) that you are half Japanese and half Ukrainian? Maybe Polish? Some other Slavic origin?
Btw, I don’t get where this Mik fella gets off commenting I don’t feel good about my race (which btw, Mik, is Asian) and “puts down the half white and half oriental” (Mik’s words). And what half Asian guy says oriental?
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@sushiandperogies:
I was re-reading your comment earlier and you mentioned you’re from Alberta. A fellow Canuck here. I’m from ‘toba. 😀
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Leigh what is asian? Russia China the middle east is all from ASIA.
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Leigh, I think the chat site is great. Hope to chat more.
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According to anthropology, Asians are one of the 4 races of humans that can be distinguiashed by a blue spot somewhere on their body. There is the caucasoid, negroid, mongoloid (asian), and australoid.
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No Jacks its the Monglian Birthmark One of my nephews had that
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You dont know Jack, and Jack’s not here right now.
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HAHA
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Eurasian Sensation :
Indonesia Islands there, maybe you are one mixed ambon/Maluku Netherlands and sure you will look like a South Africa/Brazil but if you have the blood of Java/Borneo/Sunda/Sumatra you will look something like eruasian which is in asia. I think many ball players from the Netherlands, which has a mixture of ambon/maluku Islands in indonesia. It’s very cool._.
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Here is proof that Miley will be half naked without a Filipino ??? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XofjbYa7xJ0/TfoJjPILaEI/AAAAAAAAE74/xOhIlbHSIZg/s1600/miley.jpg 🙂 Just kidding…
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Not just in America. All over the world. East Asia and parts of SE Asia (eg, Vietnam) can be very racist about this, as well as Europe. But it seems that a few multi-racial part-Asians have found better success in Asia than in Europe or America.
One possible exception: the Philippines. They seem to tolerate a quite a bit of diversity in looks and still consider them to be Filipino, ranging from Malay-looking to European-looking or Chinese-looking mestizos, as well as those who look part Asian Indian or Arab. I have no Filipino ancestry, but I do understand some Tagalog – enough to follow a conversation and speak in Taglish — more than enough for 60-80% of the Filipinos to assume, or at least ask if I was Filipino or part Filipino.
They do not seem to extend this to those who look 50% or more black – Some mixed Black/Asian can pass as some kind of Pacific Islander (and if they speak a Filipino language or dialect, can certainly *pass*) but if they are very recognizable part Sub-Saharan African, I think it might not work. I think, for example, if Tiger Woods could speak Filipino languages and understood at least some of the culture, he might be able to pass as Filipino, but apl.de.ap of the Black Eyed Peas, who was born and raised in the Philippines, might be right at the borderline – I think some people might not immediately accept him as Filipino. But, given his desire to perform in Tagalog or other Filipino languages, I think most Filipinos have come to accept his Filipino background enough to welcome him in.
Having said that, colourism is rampant there – maybe it is more like Latin America in that respect.
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@ Jefe:
You know you’re stuff. I’m Filipina. Canadian born and raised. Anyway, the reason Philippines seem to accept a range of looks and think of others as Filipino is due to the influences by different countries throughout the centuries: China, Japan, India, Malaysia, Indonesia, the U.S. and especially the main colonization by Spain.
I find that to be true. I understand Tagalog, but my fluency is sorely lacking. Personally, I am asked if I’m Chinese because Filipinos think I look Chinese. From what I’ve learned about some of my background, I do have one East Asian ancestor.
Sad, but true. However, Filipinos will claim you if they find out you have a bit of Filipino blood. I see/hear this all the time.
I remember when the Black Eyed Peas started out and I noticed Apl.de.ap, I knew he had some Filipino in him. Why? Because he had this look I’ve seen in other Filipinos. It’s hard to explain, but it’s his overall facial structure. Btw, I met Apl.de. ap when he visited my hometown. He’s a soft-spoken man with a great sense of humor. Nice guy!
Yes, colourism is rampant. The lighter/white looking Filipinos are placed on a pedestal. You see it everywhere in magazines, billboards, television, etc. It’s no wonder skin lightening is such a big deal over there.
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I must admit that I generally plaud Abagond’s blog. I have studied and read extensively about race and racism since I was a young kid in primary school, and have also done research and analysis about it in high school and university and I still examine it deeply on a regular basis. For many reasons it hit me squarely in the face since I can remember (and have mentioned it in a couple of comments here and there). It also affects my family’s history. My great-grandfather was lynched by a white mob in Oregon in the 1890s, When I was a child, my family could not travel or rent places together due to the anti-miscegenation laws. And every single neighborhood I lived in growing up (SE Washington, DC and Prince George’s County) transformed from *white* to majority black in just a few short years. I witnessed exactly things like white flight, blockbusting, redlining, racial steering, and even much rawer forms of racism (or techniques to keep the power structure in place) as well as the historical class system in the Deep South.
40-50 years ago, race and racism were topics out in the open and raw. Nowadays, it is almost like a forbidden topic in the USA. It has become the elephant in the room. At least Abagond does not pretend like the elephant is not there.
But, . . . , sometimes his point of view, is . . . well, simply a point of view. It shows up sometimes in statements like the following.
Not so with my grandparents (in Anniston, Alabama). It was, well, like the end of the world to them and I heard incessantly since childhood about how my existence destroyed their family and how I was condemned to hell. 😛
There is also a problem that half white, half Asian people (Eurasian / Hapa) have that are different from half black people. For one thing, many do not look like something that is very obvious of a certain ethnic background, ie, “ethnically ambiguous”, and thus “foreign” to both whites and Asians. It is not the same as being Asian-American per se (ie, perpetual foreigner to only whites). And no amount of cultural assimilation seems to erase that. They could be treated as perpetual foreigners in both the West and in Asia forever (with, perhaps, an exception in the Philippines as I mentioned above). The pressure to *pass* is possibly greater than for many half Blacks.
I find many blacks to be much more accepting in general than both whites and Asians. For example, if I wanted to date or even marry a black woman, I feel that most black families would not have a major problem with that. However, it would be a problem with many East Asian and white families (again, not so much for most Filipinos).
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Well, some blacks are not accepting if you’re non Black or half Black, their families won’t even let you dare marry their daughters, nor their ex or current partners that are fully Black. And I see that anyone that is part Asian/White get strange looks and even bad treatment from people that are fully Asian and fully White too.
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Scottie Thompson (Skyline, NCIS) lists her self as Caucasian but does look mixed. She is also fluent in Vietnamese.
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First of all , WOW awesome job . Second , WOW AWESOME JOB !
I loved the comparison and how categorizing it looks so simple for you . I’m half Asian my self ,half middle eastern + half south eastern (Kuwait/Malaysia). But for some reason I look Samoan ! lol . Don’t know if I souls blame my dad for that or not :p
Any whooo ,
I have troubles in kuwait people calling me racist and stuff so I will be receiving lots of hate mails and such . But they couldn’t understand my real aim is to just laugh about it like how the great Russell peters says “just laugh about it” and things will easily flow . NOT IN KUWAIT IT WON’T ….. so does that make me a ba person ? *sigh*
And again , awesom topic u opened up there hope to read more what you have to offer 😉
Ma’a salama / jumpeh lagi
Kuwaiti / Malay
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Finally, a video for all of us halfies that explains our problems dealing with people! If your of mixed ethnicity, you’re going to love this video. Like and share for all the other halfies out there!
http://www.qltyctrl.com/16-things-never-say-mixed-race-people-true/
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I don’t think it is that simple.
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While you were at it, did you check Asian fathers / white mothers, Black fathers / white mothers, Asian fathers / black mothers and Black fathers / Asian mothers?
Anyhow, the identity of children is often selected by the parents, not the children (while they are still children). The children may identify differently, esp. after they grow up. I don’t really think the 1990 census says that much about how comfortable one race is in identifying with another, and not much about how multiracial people identify either due to its racial choices.
AND, 1990 was the last census with “Tick the box”. It may no longer be relevant as the 2000 census had “2 or more races”. I believe Hawaii’s Asian population dropped from 61% to 38%, but the multiracial category doubled to become a plurality of the state.
Mississippi’s multiracial population population increased by 70% between 2000 and 2010 (the highest increase in the nation), and it surely was not due to a high increase in interracial marriage. It was mainly because Mississippi’s existing multiracial population (which includes many individuals that might be a mixture of Black, white, choctaw, chinese, etc.) rejecting the pressure to tick a single box for their racial identity.
What might be telling would be to go through individuals and see how their racial identity changed from one census to the next, esp. for those that chose it themselves (and not assigned by parents or census takers).
I found it interesting when I read how many people had their race reassigned between 1890 and 1900 to conform to anti-miscegenation laws.
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Kiwi:
You know, I stayed out of the (white) dev!l’s advocate post, even though I felt it was probably at least partially aimed at me.. I resisted the urge to call jefe out on his not-so-subtle attempt to label me as a “troll”, as if I didn’t believe the things I write or was just intentionally stupid (I presume the only reason this designation would matter if I was to be banned). But now you have to go calling me by name.
Please cite the place where I have indicated that I have a heavy emotional investment in my children’s whiteness? Or is that just your presumption?
Every parent (especially fathers, for whom evidence of parentage is especially important, given the possibility of cuckoldry), likes to have kids that look like he/she does. I do recognize that white men are generally perceived as more attractive than Asian men. It is what it is. I hope my sons can be big, strong and attractive when they grow up. That doesn’t mean I somehow love one kid more than the other one (if one looked less white than the other one).
I think it’s possible my kids will face discrimination in their lives because of their heritage, but hope they will take advantage of the opportunity to be fully bilingual and bi-cultural and make the best of the hand that has been dealt them genetically (which I have to say is a pretty good one). I would guess that my sons will be more likely to marry Asian women (just as a daughter might be more likely to take a white husband–this is based on numbers, not something I would impose on them–although finding a very attractive, intelligent white girl who hasn’t been spoiled by feminism is nearly impossible these days.) So it’s pretty likely that my grandchildren (if I am blessed to become a grandfather one day) would pass off as fully Asian. I’m not losing any sleep over that.
Also, because of the affirmative action/college quotas game, half-Asians are incentivized to identify as white, while anyone with any Black or Hispanic blood is incentivized to identify as Black or Hispanic, respectively. Start giving out special star treatment to Asians and you will get a lot more half-Asian kids signing up for that designation.
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Oh no Kiwi, I think Biff and his ilk are wonderful! They provide non-stop chuckles! Why anyone even seriously contends with them is beyond me. Perhaps they need to be undertained? No need to validate this white racist views be toing and froing with him. He practically drools whenever you post about the white racist men and asian women meme.
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For the half-asian and half-white people who go on here, I’m curious if you identify with your asian or white side more? I’m only asking because my half-asian and half-white white cousins as well as my half-asian and half-black cousins identify with their asian side. They’re involved in the Asian community where I’m from. I want to know your thoughts.
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@ leigh204
Also my experience — especially if the father of the children is the Asian parent.
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That’s VERY interesting, Bulanik. All my half-white and half-black cousins were taught about their culture and heritage through their Asian mothers with one exception. The father was Asian.
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leigh204,
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There is no one size fits all answer to that. There are just too many variables. I participated for many years in Eurasian and Hapa forums, both US and internationally based, and there is no formula to answer your question.
But I will say, I think it is wrong to force an answer to that question, or require any Blasian or Eurasian person to answer that question. A person’s identity can be a fluid thing, and may change over time and from situation to situation.
Is that because your cousins’ Asian ancestry is largely on their mother’s side, not their father’s side? if most of your experience with half-Asian persons are those with Asian mothers, then you might be inclined to believe that.
I have found out that for most children, their participation in the greater community is more influenced by the father (eg, where they go to school, what community institutions they participate in, family social connections, etc.), and the habits they learn at home are largely influenced by the mother (eg, food, folk beliefs and remedies, hygiene habits, etc.). But this is not a definite thing, and in cases where it does apply, it does not mean that it will take a definite inclination towards Asian or white (black) side. For example, if the Asian father is trying to be more accepted into the white community, he might push his children harder to integrate with whites – to get further assimilated than himself. If the Asian grandparents prefer one grandchild, and the white (black) grandparents prefer another, then even siblings can have a different social experience growing up. Likewise, they might assume different accommodation methods, eg, if 2 half-Asian siblings are bullied by whites (blacks), one might take the reaction of avoiding the bullying groups, while the other might try to fight to join the bullying groups (and bully others perhaps) to prevent being a victim.
Have your half-Asian cousins gone as far as, eg,
– speaking and reading Asian languages fluently or exclusively
– take leadership roles in ethnic Asian organizations
– campaign for ethnic Asian political causes or movements
– promote, teach, share, etc. the history of their Asian ethnicity in Canada to others
– moved or relocated to Asia for work or study
– married or at least dated Asians exclusively
– spurn their non-Asian side or their non-Asian relatives
– bully / discriminate against other people who identify with the ethnicity related to their non-Asian side
What do you mean exactly by “identify with their asian side”? Does it mean that they do not learn about their non-Asian side?
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Everyone knows Vanessa Hudgins is Black.
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@ jefe:
My apologies for not answering sooner, Jefe. However, I never said anything about forcing. The reason why I asked this question is because I have witnessed my mixed cousins (black and white) become involved with things pertaining to Filipino culture from their Filipino moms.
I bolded the ones that my mixed cousins have done so far.
Also, my cousins have never put aside their non-Filipino half as if it were nothing, but it’s not as dominant as their Filipino half. Even my male cousin who married a non-Filipino, his children are proud to call themselves Filipino. Idk, maybe my family is an anomaly.
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^ So, is that how you define it?
I am only asking because people ask me that question and I don’t always know what they mean.
And for me, some of it is “negative identity”. I had some bad experiences with both whites and Asians, but it was generally worse with my white relatives, esp. the close ones.
My brother, interestingly, had different experiences.
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@Leigh204
But isn’t Filipino kind of like being hispanic in that its not “too” surprising for them to be of mixed heritage?
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Why would you kill yourself if you were half white? People who are white and Asian or any mixed heritage don’t have control over who gets to be their parents.
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Who cares about biff. He’s always talking out of his posterior anyway.
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Yes, I’ve heard and read mixed people are considered goodlooking even though it’s not true. Mixed people are just like everyone else. Some are goodlooking while some are not. Besides, I’m not referring to that right now. I’m asking you why would you kill yourself if you were half white?
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Your aunt has problems, Kiwi. Just because she considers half-white and half-asians to be more attractive doesn’t make it fact.
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@Leigh
Regarding some statements from Kiwi, eg
“If I were half white, I’d kill myself.?”
“I despise the other one and wish nothing but pain on her. I hate her.”
I’m getting a little bit concerned. It sounds almost as extreme and bizarre as some of Elliot Rodger’s ramblings.
I got racist treatment by some of my blood relatives, but I never wished pain and suffering on them. I just avoided them. My maternal grandmother said and did some things to me that scarred me for a lifetime.
I am afraid that if I met him, he would burst out into a tirade over something that I can do nothing about.
And you notice that he said “I’m glad my mother married my father instead of a dirty white man.” He said nothing about being glad that his father married his mother instead of a white woman.
One of my close friends years ago was a 4th generation Penang born Malaysian Chinese who was educated in the UK and US and who despised his father in Malaysia. He told me that he wished his mother had married a white man so that he could feel better about himself – be something closer to the mixed (culturally) Western / Eastern person he felt that he was. In fact, he told me that one reason why he wanted to know me was to get an idea to imagine what he would be like if he had had his wish. Except, I never had a white father and cannot imagine what that must be like. Now one day, I went to a Chinese restaurant in New York with him and his Mom, and the server asked me if she was MY mother (when he really looks a lot like his mother.) I asked him – now is that what you wanted?
Kiwi is in a different place. It is almost as if he is glad that he understands French better than Chinese, but his “look” boxes him into a place where he feels trapped. And he blames white-Asian men for looking down on him, but at the same time seems to resent them as he believes they have more dating options (ie, can date either white or Asian women). It would be hard to break through that lens he has formed.
The thing is, each person is different. Even my brother and I see the world through very different lenses. IF he wants to be treated like an individual, he will have treat others like that also.
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No Kiwi, it’s not a matter of letting people defecate on you. It is a matter of deciding what you want to fight for and what you have to let go.
Half-Asian Hapas fought vigourously in the 1990s against “tick the box” and for the right for a multiracial identity. I am not sure if you can understand how for some people, it is like a matter of life and death. It still has not set in the USA quite yet, but just allowing people to identify with more than one race and to change the census forms is a big step to allow the national conversation to take place.
I really suggest you go and take your lamentations and translate them into constructive action. If you think the US media and institutions has poohed on the Asian male, then fight to take it back with constructive actions that will make a difference.
I can’t say I took the high road. I found a way to leave my home community and went to univ in Boston, lived in New York, then moved out of the USA. I found out I could be myself more easily if I did not have to deal with Americans all day, including white, Asian and black – all of them and their racist and war mongering nonsense. It is still far from perfect now. But I felt the USA created an unbearable situation for me and my parents were not helpful.
But, maybe, if I had grown up post 80s and esp. post 90s, it might have been different.
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@ jefe
Yes, I thought his comment was rather interesting. I mean, if he feels this strongly about white men who father children with asian women then does he feel the same way white women who bear children with asian men?
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Not sure I understand your sentence. You mean the last time any of us saw Asian man / white woman couples?
You have no relative or personal or family friend in that situation?
You have no one to talk to about this?
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Honestly, Kiwi, I know you’re concerned by the AW/WM disparity and I understand completely, but your constant obsession with this type of relationship is getting a bit worrisome.
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I think you should separate the two, ie, use 2 separate strategies to tackle each of those problems.
For dating, you should focus on meeting people who share your attitudes, values and social objectives. This does not include race (unless it is one of your social objectives), but can include racial attitudes.
For the racism aspect of the interracial dating disparity, you can lead studies on it and do education about it. Maybe we need to address certain inequities in the media and educational system.
I grew up with a completely different situation. I saw an Asian male and white female every day of my life growing up. None of my ethnic Chinese Aunts married white men – the 2 older China-born ones married men from China; my 2 younger New York born ones married American born Chinese men. I have NO Eurasian / Hapa cousins. But the sons (4 of them) of my oldest Aunt did marry white women. None of them seem to experience any problem in finding white women to marry.
None of the children of my 2nd Aunt married other than Chinese Americans, both males and females. Most of them are in the SF area – maybe you have met one of their kids, one of those “old school” ones.
My father had a few Filipino American male friends who had married white women. But in his generation, there were not enough Asian women to go around. Asian men in the 1950s-1960s often had to go overseas to find an Asian wife, or marry a non-Asian woman.
As bad as it seems now, I think the problems of 50 years ago were a lot worse. IT doesn’t mean that there isn’t a lot of work to do, but you should not let it impact your dating habits and preferences.
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@ jefe:
Yes, something like that. My mixed cousins are proud to be who they are, but their Filipino/Asian side seems to stand out a bit more to me.
Btw, Darren Criss of Glee is half white (Irish) and half Filipino. To me, he looks like he’s white. I can usually tell when someone has a mixed heritage especially a half Filipino, but he threw me off.
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Oh, and my deepest apologies for not replying to you sooner, Jefe. I have a tendency to not check back on the threads I participated in.
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Darren Criss
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I guess my Eurasian Radar (EAdar – the term we used on Eurasian / Hapa forums) is stronger. As soon as I saw Darren Criss, I suspected he was part non-European – finding out he was part Filipino did not shock or surprise me. Maybe his mom is Mestiza already.
There is no real opportunities for mixed race people to play such roles. They are forced to assume roles which are essentially monoracial (ie, Asian, white, black, Native American) or in some cases Hispanic or Middle Eastern, which are allowed to be potentially multiracial in their role.
I think this is wrong. Given that multiracially identified persons will soon number 20% of the population, they have no representation in the media. They receive the impression that society forces them to identify as monoracial (same as 100 years ago). Even mixed black Biracials are forced to play black roles (or in some cases, white roles).
Blasians have it the worst of all, but Eurasians are not much better.
BTW, But did you get my idea from before – sometimes identities are formed from negative experiences, not just positive experiences.
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@ jefe:
I agree with you. People with a mixed heritage shouldn’t be forced to be something they are not. If they say what they are, others have to accept it. It kind of relates to this topic, but when people meet me for the first time, there is this assumption I’m Chinese. I don’t know why that is, but people do it to me all the time. And it’s not just white people, but other people of colour! A couple of times, some people are in disbelief when I tell them I’m Filipino, and they insist, “But you LOOK Chinese, though.” Whatever that means.
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I fixed my blockquote error.
I think I understand what you mean, but please give me some examples of these negative experiences, Jefe.
Btw, here’s Darren Criss with his family. What do you think?
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And Jefe, from what I can see in the above pic, Darren Criss’ brother on your left looks definitely mixed to me.
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Is that Darren Criss’s brother?
My first thought when I saw that pic was — a middle-aged white man married a much younger Filipina back in the early-mid 80s. I talked to many hapa / Eurasian / Tisoy who had fathers that were some 20 or more years older than their mothers.
OK, to give you an illustration of what I am talking about, suppose that Darren Criss’s brother went to a school where he hooked up with a group of white friends who did not treat him very differently, but suppose Darren went to a school where he was beat up every week by whites kids who called him “Flip” and wouldn’t let him join their activities, where he found more limited acceptance from the say, Black and Latino kids.
Negative experiences can help one form racial identities as much as positive ones.
Do you have the situation where Filipinos not merely suggest that you are tsinay or tsinita looking but flatly refuse to accept you as Filipino and insist that you are Chinese?
Or do you have Chinese telling you to stop the crap of pretending you are Filipino?
That would be another example of a negative experience.
But in reality, I think Filipinos are a lot more accepting in that regard. For example, I think that many would have no problem seeing apl.de.ap (Allan Pineda Lindo) of the Black Eyed Peas as Filipino or Fil-Am, but many Americans, not just white but also Black and Asian might want to insist that he identify as black.
I think he himself, though, probably takes a more fluid approach to it, as a Philippine-born Blasian adopted by a white man in his teens. But I am sure there are people who want to fit him into a box.
And in the case of Darren Criss, I think Filipinos will be less likely to force him to identify as white (unless he wanted to), but I am sure that many white Americans would. That would be very wrong, whether he felt comfortable with it or not.
And Hollywood will not let him play a multiracial person, as there are basically no roles for that.
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@ jefe:
Yes, that is Darren’s older brother, Charles “Chuck” Criss. Regarding mixed Asians with older fathers, it’s not surprising as I have also seen this with my own eyes. One of my friends is married to a white guy and he’s close to her age. She has commented that she gets quite irritated when people assume her husband is old. In fact, he’s younger than she is by one year.
So, essentially, what you’re saying is that one mixed brother may identify as white and the other may identify as Asian? Correct? Btw, isn’t this illustration what happened between you and your brother?
Both. In the past, some Filipinos were quite stubborn and they strongly maintained I could not be Filipino ESPECIALLY when they saw my mother. I take after my mother btw. As for the Chinese I’ve encountered, some have said I look Chinese, but with a slightly darker complexion. I honestly don’t know what that means “I look Chinese”. I admit I don’t look typically Filipino. And, yes, I have experienced some Chinese folk telling me I’m not Filipino at all! But when I tell them my surname (pre-marriage), they say, “Oh, good point.”
I honestly believe it’s a Filipino thing. I’m pretty sure you’ve heard/seen it. Filipinos are likely to claim anybody as their own as long as they have some Filipino blood.
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The Criss Brothers
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@leigh204
Sort of saying that, but also that it might not purely depend on what they look like. We cannot assume from their photos what either identifies more as. And the fact that Darren Criss is playing a white role in a TV series might not indicate it either.
Yeah, his brother looks a bit more like typical Tisoy, but I have seen Mestizos that look like Darren too
Re: my brother and I, it is not a black and white issue with either of us, but shades of grey. Maybe we can say that we picked up and internalized different things and it is not that one or either of us just focused on particular thing to define us.
Maybe I can put it this way – my brother glommed more to Southern White culture. It was a more positive experience for him, but a more negative one for me. I should say that it is still part of my identity, but not one I feel very positive about. In our teens, my brother started to hang out white boy groups. I didn’t. That is significant in a greater neighborhood area that was close to half black, half white. He would get into a lot more altercations with blacks. I mostly stuck to myself, until I went to university. In university, I only made a few white friends (plus a few Black and Latino) but more Asian ones. My brother stuck almost entirely with white groups. It doesn’t mean that he is not aware of his Asian background, but he sees it as an obstacle to overcome to be accepted better in white institutions or career choices. For me, I see the main focus for him as trying to be more integrated with whites. I gave that up back in my teens.
Even though everyone could instantly suspect we were brothers, my brother maybe slightly more than me is recognized to be at least part Asian or part Chinese. I get a bigger variety than him, ie, also sometimes get mistaken for Latino, Native American or Middle Eastern or Central Asian. In the USA, people usually thought I could not be American (either Asian, Latin American, Russian, Arab, etc.), but my brother dispels that in people immediately – he gives off the vibes of an all-American boy as soon as people meet him. I think it is not due so much to looks, but how people perceive our behaviour. We both get mistaken as potential Filipino Tisoys, but I usually pull it off as I can understand basic Tagalog, so sometimes people thought i had Filipino background, even for years. In fact it happened yesterday at a conference in Shenzhen, China – I sat next to a Filipina who manages a Chinese staff at lunch and she really thought I was Filipino, asking me in Tagalog what part of the Philippines I came from even though I had just told her the ethnic background of my parents, where I live and where I grew up. It took me several “Hindi ako Pilipino” (I’m not Filipino) before it registered in her mind.
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They are both handsome guys though, do you know what his brother does? They couldn’t be too far apart in age.
Do you know Karen Mok (nee Morris), a HK celebrity? She has appeared extensively in many HK films and TV. Her father is Welsh/Chinese and her mother is Chinese/Persian/Italian/German, but she only plays Chinese-speaking chinese roles. She is credited as Karen Mok in HK productions, but Karen Joy Morris in hollywood movies and overseas stage productions. Many people thought she was just local Chinese. Her older brother Trevor Morris is in HK too, and writes and produces media products. But people mistake him for a “Westerner” or British. She looks more Asian than either parent, but her brother somehow seems to look more European – wavy brown hair, fair complexion, European features. Seeing her and her brother pictured with their parents, they look even more different than the Criss brothers.
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@ V-4:
No, it’s not like being Hispanic. I don’t know how often I’ve heard Filipinos having mixed heritage because most Filipinos don’t. The “I’m Spanish, Chinese, and Filipino” syndrome comes to mind.
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@ jefe:
Charles “Chuck” Criss plays in some band called The Freelance Whales. And he’s nearly 2 years older than Darren.
I have heard of Karen Mok, but I’m not that familiar with her films/shows. If I recall correctly, she was marketed as wholly Chinese. I do agree her brother looks more “European” compared to her. Genetics is a strange thing, huh?
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And Jefe, maybe that Filipino woman thought you were Filipino because you had a certain look about you. I know I’ve mistaken non-Filipinos as Filipinos.
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Thoughts?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqHf9ZayI8Y)
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@Leigh,
I saw that over a year ago.
You notice that many of those questions are also asked of monoracially identified people, but multiracials get more “awkward” questions. People feel uncomfortable with racial ambuguity, so they have to ask questions so that they can pigeonhole the target more easily.
My elder cousin’s grandson is about 3/8 white, 3/8 black and 1/4 Chinese. He is neither obviously black or obviously Asian and will not be able to pass as white either. I bet as he enters his teens, people will ask him if he prefers white girls, black girls or Asian girls. It’s a way to figure out how he racially identifies.
My niece’s son is Black, white, Chinese and native American, but at this point in time, I think he can “pass” as Mexican or Latino. He is only 1 year old, but I wonder if he will get that treatment when he grows up.
It’s not a proper way to treat them. Anyhow, whatever you pegged him as today, he might be different next month. That does not make him a race traitor.
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“According to anthropology, Asians are one of the 4 races of humans that can be distinguiashed by a blue spot somewhere on their body. There is the caucasoid, negroid, mongoloid (asian), and australoid.”
This is a bluish greenish mark you get on your body when you’re a newborn. People with Indigenous American ancestry get it too. My brother and his daughter had it. My mom didn’t know about it and was all, “Poor thing, he/she came out with big bruises all over their butt”.
My great-aunt who was half Mexican and half Italian and quite European looking married a Korean American around 1950. Her son came out looking Mexican and Korean, with deep brown skin and black hair. He married a white woman and his daughters are very unusual looking to me but they and their parents are the nicest people you’ll ever meet.
Some sources on mixed race people with Asian ancestry (we were assigned these in a class I took on mixed race people in the U.S.:
Country of Origin–novel dealing with full Asian and Asian American characters, a half white half Asian man, and a half Black half Asian woman whose phenotype changes as she grows up.
http://www.don-lee.com/country-of-origin/index.html
Dumbarton Bridge–movie dealing with a half Vietnamese half Black woman and her Black father.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0139166/
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The first time I watched “Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!” I’ve been fascinated by Tura Satana. She’s the actress who played the badass, Varla.
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I disagree that half-black/half white people are “more torn” than half-white/half Asians. Because black people claim biracial half black/half white people because of the one drop rule. Most half-black/half white people identify as black unless they look fully white or look more mestizo or Middle Eastern, which is common. Lighter skinned blacks, who are mixed, often hold a higher social status among blacks. For instance, lighter skinned black females, who are often biracial, are often seen as more desirable than darker skinned black females in the eyes of black men. An attractive mixed race black person who is lighter skinned has endless potential dating suitors among blacks. Look at many of the current biggest black pop stars, who happen to be biracial. Drake, who is light skinned half-black/half-Jewish from Toronto, has a new voluptuous black girlfriend every week and he is arguably the biggest star in mainstream Rap music and has millions of black fans across the country. Tinashe, who is light skinned half white/half African, is every other black teenage boy’s new celebrity crush. She is gorgeous, by the way.
This is not the case with Asians. Asians tend to prefer full blooded whites or full blooded Asians and vice versa. This is the reason why many white college grads from the States easily get jobs teaching English in Japan and China and Asian Americans and happas are often always rejected from those jobs. I also notice that many white male/Asian female couples rarely have kids out here on the East Coast compared to where I’m from in the West. It’s like these couples don’t want to raised a bunch of mixed nuts who won’t fit into either world. They just want to benefit from their own stereotypical power-balance relationship without bringing a person of color into the world. Really? Why would the average white man want to father non-white children?
The one drop rule is not embraced by many Asians and Asian Americans. Because of this Asians often do not claim mixed race Asians at all. And white people never claim biracial people as being white, period. I think being a biracial half-white/half Asian female is easier than a male because of all the negative social stereotypes of Asian men being nerdy, autistic, weak, feminine and sexually undesirable. Also, being a racially ambiguous half white/half Asian male, many black people always react positively when they simply assume I’m half-white/half-black or lightskinned and I’m too bored to correct them. Asian people do not respond this way. To them, I’m only half Asian and I’m not authentic and I can’t ever understand the culture. Asian women rarely look my way and many white women and black women are often turned off when they find out I’m half Asian although this is not always the case because I’m a tall, good looking, well dressed, interesting, intelligent guy. With white people, I’m just not white and never could be because in America, if you aren’t white enough to attend a KKK meeting, you can’t ever call yourself white.
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I am in not the best position to evaluate the difference between the way multiracial people on the east and west coasts of the USA, but I do concur that my experience regarding the differences between the treatment towards biracial black / white and biracial Asian / white people is somewhat consisten (based on my experience in the DC, NY and Boston areas).
If a biracial black/white person is recognizably part black, and socially recognizes himself to be so. then most black people will not be so socially stigmatic towards them. Of course if the biracial black person starts to emphasize the parts of his non-black identity (whether white, Native, Asian, Latino) then some blacks might interpret that as distancing oneself from blackness, so there is some social pressure there.
White people WILL be stigmatic towards them. The best that they can aspire to among whites is an honorary white, as long as they obey all the rules of whiteness.
But biracial Asian /white persons generally do not experience this. Many monoracially identified Asian Americans do not recognize such a one-drop rule. Anything less than 75% Asian is simply NOT Asian, and such individuals have no basis for authenticity into Asianness and, as you say, because of their non-Asian ancestry, would never be in a position to understand Asian culture or Asian-American racism, regardless of their actual experience or background. They are, well, marked as “other”. Even those who are 75-88% and have no problem passing as Asian are still marked as “mixed” and not fully authentic. I read that Chinese did not even consider Bruce Lee to be authentically Chinese until he got famous (and only then did people want to claim him).
And somewhat similar to black/white biracials, white people are still stigmatic towards them. Of course they can aspire to honorary whiteness also by obeying the rules of the white club. I say “somewhat” similar, because it might take somewhat less effort for biracial asian/white individuals to gain honorary white status than biracial black / whites, but also similarly that honorary white status still requires a large amount of self-denial. In fact, whites might be more strict about requiring Eurasians to deny their Asian identities to gain honorary white status than about requiring monoracially identified Asians to deny their Asian identities to gain honorary white status. The Eurasian is asked to ignore or deny his Asian heritage to gain honorary status in the white club. The monoracial Asian is asked to act and think like a white person so that the white person can minimize or overlook the impact of his racial background, not to force the person to deny it even exists.
I do not know why monoracially identified Asians and some whites as well feed themselves a delusion that both whites and Asians are welcoming to them. My personal experience indicates quite the opposite.
The only exception I ever saw – Filipinos – they seem to recognize themselves as multiethnic, however distant, so are more willing to be more receptive to those with more recent multiethnic / multiracial identities.
Another possible exception – very old school pre-WWII male Asian immigrants. They remember when Asian men were not allowed to bring over wives or marry Asian women, so they were a bit more accepting of men who did marry out and of their children as well.
This might be one reason why the multiracial Activist movement that expanded in the 1990s was spearheaded mostly by Eurasian Hapas, and not black/white biracials, blasians or Latinos. Being rejected by both Whites and Asians, they were the least willing to “tick the box” and most interested in inventing ways to describe themselves. Also that period witnessed a larger growth in multiracial psychological issues and studies. Before the 1970s, Asian Americans were more willing to accept a one drop rule imposed by whites, but that was GONE by the 1980s.
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“The monoracial Asian is asked to act and think like a white person so that the white person can minimize or overlook the impact of his racial background, not to force the person to deny it even exists.”
I’d say not forcing the person to deny it even exists happens because white people want people of color to play the Exotic Other on their terms and native informant/”my friend who is ——“.
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With hapas it gets even more complex because Asian culture is also tied to language, not only ethnicity and culture. Many hapas do not know their parent’s Asian language because their parents wanted them to assimilate to American culture to the fullest. The reason why so many Asian American women marry white is to assimilate to American culture to the best of their ability.
Also, different Asian ethnicities often don’t get along and have different cultures which further complicates the hapa experience. There is no singular Asian American experience the way black people want to unify for a solidarity black experience. Where I’m from in the Bay Area, Chinese are the dominant Asian ethnicity. Out here on the East Coast, Koreans are the dominant Asian ethnicity. Koreans out here own all the small businesses from the suburbs to the inner city. I have yet to meet an Asian American out here in Maryland who had a similar upbringing as I did in the urban Bay Area. Asians out here do not grow up in the city. But where I’m from in the Bay Area, my experience is close to the norm for many Asian Americans.
With half-black/half-white people, I can only see that being truly alienating if one grows up in an all-white or non-black environment. But many half-black/half-white people grow up in nearly all black environments and are not only accepted amongst blacks, but are often the most popular black people around, period. There are tons of examples of this in mainstream black culture from Alicia Keys to Halle Berry to Bizzy Bone from Bone Thugs ‘N Harmony. Black culture is an American culture at the end of the day.
I was born and raised in San Francisco, perhaps the most important and significant city in terms of the Asian American experience. I grew up going into SF Chinatown everyday, the oldest and Chinatown in America and the largest Chinese community outside of Asia, yet Asians raised in Ellicott City, Maryland have told me I’m “not really Asian” because I’m mixed. What the hell?
Most of my peer group for most of my life has been predominantly black because I relate to growing up in America my whole life since birth but not being accepted as being a true American because of my race. My experience of growing up in the city around blacks also allows me to get along with many blacks who had a similar upbringing. But I am far from being accepted by all black people because Asians are painted as the exploitable wedge between whites and blacks and I am often lumped into the same category as Korean liquor store owners because of my mother’s race.
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@SanFranpsycho415
That is certainly true for many hapas, but also true for many monoracial Asian families also. And if an Asian woman who marries a white man (and even for Asian men who marry a white woman), there is certainly an element of wanting to assimilate or integrate more fully with white people, and this message will be transmitted to their children. But most monoracial Asians also get fed this message growing up too, so it is not strictly due to intermarriage.
But, on the other hand, I never fell into that mode. I found I had a racial, ethnic and cultural experience growing up not like any other person I met, even my own brother.
My grandparents watched me in the back of their laundry. I ended up learning Chinese dialect as my first initial language before English despite being born in Washington, DC and having a non-Chinese mother. When I turned 6, my family sent me to Chinese school in Chinatown where I started to learn Cantonese. That stopped after a while, but I pushed my parents to send me back to Chinese school, and I ended up going to learn Mandarin at a (brain drain) Taiwanese American church in Maryland. Added to this, I spent several weeks every year in my mother’s hometown in Jim Crow Alabama yet grew up in Anacostia and PG county (which you have politely labelled as “black ghettos”). I also have experience living in New York and Boston.
When I was 17 at university, the Chinese language department chairman asked me to be a teaching assistant. I even found myself helping students born in Taiwan and Hong Kong with THEIR Chinese. But, I never received the rage from them. I also received little rage from the ones, who say, were 3rd generation ABC who did not grow up speaking or understanding Chinese. The rage came more from those who had Chinese speaking parents and heard Chinese in the household, but who for some reason or another, did not learn Chinese growing up (usually because they resisted it).
I even knew Chinese better than my own father. When I took him to China, I had to navigate for him, even in his parents’ hometown.
But I learned French and Spanish, studied Japanese, Tagalog, Malay and some Thai and Taiwanese dialect too. I have yet to meet any monoracially identified Asian who has been exposed to more Asian languages, countries and cultures, whether in the USA or in Asia. So, I realize that the argument about language is a totally flat argument. That is not even the main reason monoracial Asians vent rage towards their biracial cousins. When I met Chinese parents of ABC in the USA (or even Filipino parents of Fil-Am), and they tell their kids “see, he learned Chinese (Tagalog), why can’t you?”, it only sends their kids into rage.
It’s not about language, and at least not only about language. It is because their kids want to be white, or at least not Asian. They feel that they have an obstacle to overcome which they perceive biracial Asian kids experiencing to a far lesser degree. Multiracials get mistaken for all sorts of other things, so monoracial Asians believe that they have a better chance of escaping the Asian label, and everything they perceive to be negative about that. So, they direct their rage at their biracial cousins and fail to address their own internalized racism issues.
The obstacle is not just about their ability to pass into the white club, but about how their parents hold them back. Someone with a white parent is not going to labelled so much as “foreigner” or so they believe. Curiously, some at the same time secretly wish they could be Eurasian – a way station where they believe that they could retain some Asian identity yet be more acceptable to whites.
I would be careful, however, about using your interpretation of the experience of famous black/white biracial celebrities that you do not even know to glorify the black/white biracial experience. I am sure that it is not all peaches and cream for all or even most of them. Some have individual stories that are not like that at all.
But I do agree with your observation “Black culture is an American culture at the end of the day” (despite hearing white people referring to blacks as “people of another culture”). Even though I think Asian American culture is still American culture too, it is not perceived that way. You know what, that is a long discussion in and of itself, so I will reserve that for next time.
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@ jefe
I never learned Chinese despite growing up around SF’s massive Chinatown and being raised primarily by my Chinese grandparents of my mother’s side. We only visited my white grandmother across the Golden Gate bridge in Sausalito every weekend, not everyday like my mother’s parents.
And I don’t see the issue of labeling Anacostia a “ghetto”. Many people from SE DC will proudly call it ghetto. Same thing with any other inner city area in America. Hip Hop, which is undeniably the major youth cultural force in America, was always about taking pride in being from the ghetto. And originally, Hip Hop was about having fun and was a creative diversion to avoid falling in to the pitfalls of state funded population control in the inner city. “Ghetto” isn’t necessarily a bad thing unless you internalize all of the bad things that the word holds in the eyes of white people. Where I grew up in Oceanview in SF was definitely ghetto and people who lived there called it that. Only certain sections of PG County truly qualify as ghetto, namely areas immediately bordering NE/SE DC.
But with honorary white club membership with half-white/half Asians, I think it is rather the other way around that hapas are expected to disregard the fact that they are half-white around white people. Afterall, if you are only half-white, white people will never claim you as white. White people who know that I’m half-Asian just call me “Asian” and never mixed. Most white people laugh at biracials when they go through their story of “I was confused about what race to identify with as a child”. White, as a racialized term, is a very loaded word; it implies purity. In the eyes of white people, biracials of any variety are never pure unless they can pass 100% of the time and their family members are rarely seen and they adhere to white club standards without a single slip up.
I’ve seen other hapas raised in the Howard County suburbs desperately pander to white people. They make stereotypical jokes about being “good at math” and talk about the “Asian Dad meme” while hanging out at Starbucks with their all white group of friends. It’s like to be accepted by a predominantly white social group, you have to confirm stereotypes about Asianness or blackness to them as a biracial. What made my stomach turn was that some of these guys weren’t stereotypical at all. They were tall, athletic and good at socializing, yet they felt the need to confirm Asian stereotypes to white people just to be accepted. I don’t bite my tongue around white people or anybody for that matter. I don’t like being stereotyped and I my experience was not stereotypical.
Jefe, are you half-black/half-Asian or half-white/half-Asian?
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@SanFranpsycho415
Did you ever know why you did not learn Chinese? Did your maternal grandparents speak Chinese? Did they also speak English? Did they selectively elect NOT to speak Chinese to you? If you grew up near SF’s Chinatown, do you know why you never used Chinese there? Do you even know what dialect your maternal grandparents spoke? Was it Cantonese or Mandarin or one of the Sze Yap dialects (e.g., Toishan or Hoiping) commonly spoken in SF Chinatown or something else?
Actually, your story gives further credence to my argument that Asian language ability has virtually NOTHING to do with the situation with HAPAs. If you had full blooded Chinese cousins who, like you were raised by Chinese grandparents and who, like you, grew up near Chinatown, why would we expect any result different from yours? Would your grandparents selectively push your full blooded Chinese cousins to speak Chinese and push you away from it? Besides, in my experience, where “full blooded” Chinese kids are pushed into embracing their parents’ language and culture, they often rebel and push much harder against it. As I told you, I know Chinese better than 100% of my friends who are full blooded Chinese and whose parents pushed them to go to Chinese school when they were growing up. And NONE of my full-blooded Chinese cousins went to Chinese school growing up, so despite having both parents who could speak Chinese, I actually know Chinese better than all of my cousins.
Now that you are grown up, is there a reason why you never decided to learn any Asian languages? After all, Chinese is the 3rd language of the US. Tagalog is 5th. Korean and Vietnamese are also in the top 10. I tell people that I learned English, Spanish, Chinese, French and Tagalog as they are the top 5 languages in the USA. I primarily focused on the most common languages in the USA.
I got involved in Filipino cultural groups in NYC and HK and travel often to the Philippines and ended up understanding Tagalog better than the relatives and family of my Filipino-American godmother and her relatives.
What I will agree that I see is that Asians who marry whites might find it less important to emphasize Asian languages and cultures to their children, but in all honesty, Asians, esp. American born Asians, who marry other Asians are not really that much more insistent on that with their kids either. I have met thousands of Asians with 2 Asian parents who told me that their parents did not teach them to speak the relevant Asian language(s) or teach them much about Asian cultures. Sometimes the reverse happens. An Asian-American who felt quite assimilated with white culture and marries a white person becomes much more involved with Asian languages and cultures AFTER their kids are born. This happens for 2 main reasons: 1) the importance of transmitting Asian culture and language to the next generation becomes more apparent to them only after they have kids. 2) their kids also suffer some anti-Asian prejudice and racism, and they realize that learning about Asian cultures, history and language can be a buffer for that.
Finally, are you that familiar with Eurasians who grew up in Asia? in Europe? in Australia? in Latin America? There are some who grew up in Asia and cannot speak any European language. They have their own set of social problems.
I found that white people play a game with that. They expect hapas to disregard that they are part white around them and be “Asian” to them. Then in the next breath, they expect them to identify more as white (esp. if there are black people around). I hated that.
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“I’m Not Normally Into Asian Girls, But…”
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek5UAygoyD8)
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^ Kiwi, you must throw up a lot, huh?
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@leigh204
LOL 😛
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Kiwi, does this make you positively ill?
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKva7OTjya4)
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Btw, I’m not being facetious. Do you really get sick to your stomach when you come across a WM/AF? The woman in question is half Asian. She said she didn’t really have a connection to Asian culture because her Japanese dad was more Brazilian than anything. She even said she was trying to pass. Anyway, I don’t take stock in these so-called Asian American “feminists” because their actions speak louder than words. How can they say one thing, but do another?
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@Kiwi,
Yes, I read about that study a few years ago.
So does that mean that we should discourage having biracial children, that we need to provide biracial individuals more mental health services, or there is something larger in the society that needs to be addressed?
Or do we simply just ignore it?
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The recent BBC viral video has brought to light one of the common experiences that Eurasians, particularly those with Asian mothers, experience. The mother is often assumed to be the nanny of the children, not their mother.
For Eurasians with a white mother, a common assumption is that the kids are adopted.
The proliferation of white-Asian families does not seem to have erased these stereotypes.
Original viral video:
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwgi5skpYoo)
Aftermath discussion on BBC:
Prof Robert Kelly is back & this time his wife & children are meant to be in shot! BBC News
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLMSoD1riE0)
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We haven’t seen an Asian male play the romantic male lead in a Hollywood film since …..
well maybe since never. At least since James Shigeta. I don’t think Russell Wong even counts.
Crazy Rich Asians is the first major Hollywood film in at least a quarter century (ie, The Joy Luck Club (1993)) to feature an all Asian-cast with an Asian American director based on a novel written by an Asian American. It stars Constance Wu (Fresh Off the Boat) as the leading female role and Michelle Yeoh (Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon) as the mother of the leading male, as well as Ronny Chieng (The Daily Show with Trevor Noah) and Harry Shum, Jr (Glee) and Jimmy O. Yang (Silicon Valley) and Ken Jeong (The Hangover) in supporting roles.
Henry Golding, a Malaysian-born British educated Eurasian plays the leading male romantic role as a glamourous handsome rich Chinese Singaporean, yet he faced backlash as many Asian-American actors (eg, Jamie Chung) complained that they ended up casting someone who is “half-white” with no Chinese ancestry to play the role (although a couple of Eurasians were cast in other roles). Many newspapers across Asia also expressed alarm over casting a British – Iban man to play an Asian (despite being born in Asia and of Asian descent).
However, Henry Golding was born in Malaysia and has spent over half his life his life in Asia after spending most of his childhood in Britain, currently lives in Singapore and he is playing a British-educated Singaporean. Somehow the director and casting managers felt he could pull it off better than, say, American or Canadian Asian actors or even Chinese-Malaysian or Chinese-Singaporean ones.
This reflects something that I pretty much never see in the casting of black roles in Hollywood productions. Asians tend to be much more obsessed with racial purity, to the point of Eurasians not being Asian enough. But where do you draw the line? Would Bruce Lee be Asian enough to play an Asian in that kind of climate? Perhaps it is because no one expects a black actor or a black role to be “racially pure”.
But for decades, Hollywood producers had no problem casting whites to play Asians in Yellow face. I would be much more upset if a character that was originally Asian got “white-washed” (ie, converted to a white role) or if a Asian character was made Eurasian (so that a white person could play it, or if an Asian played it, they could have white family relatives).
I wonder if Eurasians and other biracial / multi-racial people cannot play non-Asians, and cannot play Asians either, what are they supposed to do?
Crazy Rich Asians star Henry Golding defends his casting
http://ew.com/movies/2017/11/02/crazy-rich-asians-henry-golding-defends-casting/
Henry Golding Talks ‘Crazy Rich Asians’ and Asian Casting Controversies
http://variety.com/2017/film/asia/henry-golding-talks-crazy-rich-asians-casting-controversies-1202622817/
Wikipedia also discusses the controversy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Rich_Asians_(film)#Casting_controversy
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Many of these are less than half Asian.
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Am I the only one who thought Ann Curry was Black and Asian?
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