Darkies are people of colour as seen from the point of view of white privilege and power, especially under conditions of white rule where said darkies are either slaves or “natives”. Although the slaves have been freed and white rule overthrown, it still affects how some whites think, like Madonna.
There are three main kinds of darkies: helpless, happy and ungrateful. Take the last two first:
- Happy Darkies – they sing, they dance, they laugh! How bad can it be? In fact, they sing and dance better than white people and laugh more deeply. They truly enjoy life! They are like children. A good thing serious white people are in charge. Examples: Will Smith, Eddie Murphy.
- Ungrateful Darkies – some darkies are never happy! No matter what whites do for them, they always find something to complain about! They do not see how much progress has been made and how good they have it! Examples: Michelle Obama, Gandhi.
The truth is, Happy Darkies are not happy. They are just as unhappy as the Ungrateful Darkies. The only difference between them and Ungrateful Darkies is that they think there is nothing they can do to change the way things are and try to get on with life as best they can.
Ungrateful Darkies, often termed “angry”, think things can change. That is why the more you help them the more ungrateful they get! That is why they are often middle-class and have university degrees. They have seen change in their own lifetime and want more. They do not measure the progress made, like white people do, but the distance still to go.
When Michelle Obama said “For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country” that was classic Ungrateful Darky: white talking heads wondered how a black person with degrees from Princeton and Harvard Law could be, well, so ungrateful!
Now one more:
- Helpless Darkies – need white people to save them from themselves! After all they live in a terrible part of town (the hood) or a terrible part of the world (the Third World). Hollywood loves this one: “Avatar” (2009), “Mississippi Burning” (1998), “Dances with Wolves” (1990) , “Dangerous Minds” (1995) and all the other White Saviour films. So do neoconservatives. So does Madonna, who made herself the mother of our Example: Mercy James.
The darky thing is all about white privilege and power. Whites want to be on top and want to believe their power is kind and good and just. If people of colour are helpless then they need whites to help them! If they are happy it proves how good whites are. And since whites are so good and wonderful, anyone who does not see that must be Angry and Ungrateful.
Exercise for the reader: Compare and contrast Angelina Jolie and Bono’s views on Africa.
– Abagond, 2010.
See also:
- darkies
- Fanon: The So-Called Dependency Complex of the Colonized – the relevant chapter of Fanon.
- Michelle Obama
- Will Smith
- Mercy James
- White paternalism
- Jack Kerouac
Abagond,
They are unhappy not because they have nothing better to do but because they want to be equal to whites. Some become Uppity Negroes.
I would say that we are equal and want to be treated as such, by Black,white and other peoples.
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Yes. I remember the flack she received for making that statement. Some people were saying she was Un-American. How dare she complains! Why is she so resentful? This country has been very good to her! What nerve! *sarcasm*
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Hathor:
Right, I agree. I was still in the middle of editing the post (I hit the publish button by accident). That line has been changed to:
“They do not measure the progress made, like white people do, but the distance still to go.”
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“”When Michelle Obama said “For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country” that was classic Ungrateful Darkie”
Her comment struck me much like comments from people who play the lottery but do not win. They complain, but keep playing. And then, when they win a pile big enough to change their lives, they change their tune. In other words, the game is corrupt until the one complaining individual comes out on top. Then everything is hunky-dory.
Then:
“white talking heads wondered how a black person with degrees from Princeton and Harvard Law could be, well, so ungrateful!”
Wondered? Not really. she’s not that bright. Since no one is talking about the SAT and LSAT scores of Barack and Michelle, it is obvious they were too low to earn them spots in their schools if they had been white. Clearly we have an Affirmative Action First Couple.
Meanwhile, I read her Princeton senior thesis. It is remarkable for its mediocrity. Princeton students are some of the worlds best. That means even their college work is impressive. But hers was not. It was standard stuff.
The SAT scores of many US elected officials have been leaked. One of the best leaks was Bill Bradley’s English SAT score — 486. He was accepted by Princeton. Just like Michelle. But he was accepted because he could play basketball. She was accepted because she added “diversity.”
Princeton is a private university, thus it can admit anyone it chooses for any reason whatsoever. Prior to 1971 Princeton did not admit women.
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Exercise for the reader: Compare and contrast Angelina Jolie and Bono’s views on Africa.
Hmmmm… Let me try. To Angelina, Africa is a place full of cute colorful babies she can adopt. To Bono, Africa is a place full of people that need his help, in order for him to win Nobel Peace prize.
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Let’s not forget that it was the Catholic Church which invented many of these stereotypes.
The Church’s original justification for Africanm chattel slavery was that it was better to enslave Africans and make them Cathloics, thus saving their souls, than to allow them to remain free pagans and condemn them to hell.
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When Michelle Obama said that I thought about that Chris Rock bit where he said
“If you are black, you have to look at America as the Uncle that paid your way through college but molseted you.”
Then Mcain’s wife was all “I’ve always been proud of my country.” LOL I bet she is proud of the genocide, slavery, jim crow, internment camps etc. yep her heart must swell with pride.
Helpless Darkies, and the mighty whitey thing that is why I can’t be asked to see The Blind Side. Same old story of “The Nice White Lady.” thing you’ve seen one you’ve seen them all.
I mean how many films have you seen where the person of colour was helping the poor youths who are also people of colour. Or helping white people but not in a magical negro way.
I can think of 1 which is Coach Carter anyone else?
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@Aiyo:
When Dangerous Minds came out in the mid-90’s, I thought it was so typical. Here’s a story based on a real-life white teacher who went out of her way to help inspire her students from all backgrounds. I’ve heard about other teachers of color who did the same thing, and yet, what about them? They deserve as much praise and recognition like this teacher.
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I can think of 1 which is Coach Carter anyone else?
‘To Sir with Love’:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Sir,_with_Love
A British movie from 1967.
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@Herneith:
I’ve got the song from the movie in my head right now. 😉
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I determine sock puppets by IP address – the number the Internet gives your computer. If I caught No Slappz using a sock puppet he would be banned in a microsecond.
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@abagond:
lol! Details. Details. *crosses fingers* 😉
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Will Smith is not a “happy darkie.” He is a talented actor. To perform at his level requires intelligence and discipline. It is insulting to categorize people this way. Attributing the categorization to someone else – your imaginary white oppressor – is no excuse.
To observe that Will Smith is black – or Tiger Woods, or President Obama – is unproductive. We must stop making this observation entirely, because we are all Americans.
Justice Roberts said it best, “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”
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Jeremiah #757:
It is insulting for ANYONE, not just Will Smith, to be seen as a darkie of ANY sort. If it makes you feel any better, I am often seen as an Ungrateful Darkie, which is what drove me to write this post in the first place.
The point of this post is that white people, because of their power, do not see the world as it is. Their power screws their view of things in some very self-serving ways.
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“The point of this post is that white people, because of their power, do not see the world as it is. Their power screws their view of things in some very self-serving ways.”
Abagond that can go both ways, because of your lack of “power” your view is screwed.
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Ó Dochartaigh:
How does not having power corrupts someone’s view on things? Churchill used to say that having power corrupts, not that not having power corrupts. I think he should kinda know, don’t you?
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Ó Dochartaigh said:
“Abagond that can go both ways, because of your lack of “power” your view is screwed.”
You think I do not know that? I have spent half my life trying to get rid of the poison that white people have put in my head. Thad will gladly inform you that I still have a long way to go.
On the other hand, I agree with something James Baldwin once said:
“White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded – about themselves and about the world they live in. White people have managed to get through entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac. … People who cling to their delusions find it difficult, if not impossible, to learn anything worth learning: a people under the necessity of creating themselves must examine everything, and soak up learning the way the roots of a tree soak up water. As people still held in bondage must believe that “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make ye free”.”
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Anton A
Not having power and being kicked around your whole can leave a bitterness, that can not, and will not go away. Bitterness, and on the opposite end of the spectrum, to much power, will leave a persons views, as abagond says “screwed.”
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abagond
You speak about the deluded white people, but what about the deluded black people? You don’t seem to speak much about them, what are the delusions that black people have when it comes to race?
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Also what about the Africans that hardly come in contact with white people, why do they have “poison” in their minds even though there is no white influence?
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Another question is, why do so many Africans Hate/dislike Black Americans? I have an Aunt who works with a large group of African Immigrants, she says they never have anything nice to say about black Americans.
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Ó Dochartaigh said:
“abagond
You speak about the deluded white people, but what about the deluded black people? You don’t seem to speak much about them, what are the delusions that black people have when it comes to race?”
The following is just off the top of my head. I am sure there is more.
deluded black people:
Tiger Woods:
Will Smith:
John McWhorter:
Delusions that black people have when it comes to race:
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Abagond,
Another one for your list.
Sigh.
The Black Conservative
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It seems from your list that black people are only capable of delusion because of white people.
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Please define White Power and Privelege. I’m a white guy, and I don’t know what this power and privilege is that you speak of.
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Is that you BklynBryan? LOL!
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@ Mike:
people who belong to a socially dominant group can take all kinds of things for granted, that might present difficulties for someone not of that group.
In Western nations, the most privileged person in this sense tends to be the white heterosexual male.
So some examples:
As a male I can walk around at night and go to a public toilet without any fear of being raped. A female might not be able to do this. This is male privilege.
As a heterosexual I can talk about my partner and express some affection publicly without worrying about getting judged, verbally abused or bashed by onlookers. A gay person might not be able to do this. This is heterosexual privilege.
A white person can apply for a job and feel confident that his application will be judged on its merits. Whereas a non-white person whose name is identifiably non-white has a lower chance of his/her application being considered, simply because of their non-whiteness. (There have been studies done on this.) This is an example of white privilege.
Because the power structure is white-dominated, white people tend to be treated as “normal”. Non-whites do not always have this luxury.
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eurasian sensation, you wrote:
“As a male I can walk around at night and go to a public toilet without any fear of being raped. A female might not be able to do this. This is male privilege.”
Every hotel, theater, Starbucks, diner, restaurant, bar, gas station, etc. offers bathroom facilities to both men and women. There are literally millions of bathrooms available for the public.
Have these sites been utilized by rapists? No.
You wrote:
“As a heterosexual I can talk about my partner and express some affection publicly without worrying about getting judged, verbally abused or bashed by onlookers. A gay person might not be able to do this. This is heterosexual privilege.”
Really. Try this heterosexual behavior in muslim nations. Or try it here in the US in muslim neighborhoods. It does not fly. Meanwhile, I was in Greenwich Village last night. While there, I saw NO one express disapproval of gay affection.
On the other hand, people are devoted to the idea of judgment. Christians spend their lives hearing about the approach of Judgment Day. For the Catholic Church, it may have arrived early, here on Earth.
The chief source of anti-homosexual sentiments is organized religion. But the Catholic Church was built on homosexuality. The Catholic Church claims to forbid homosexuality, yet its workforce is not only gay, but also predatory.
When will the masses understand that religion is a hoax?
You wrote:
“A white person can apply for a job and feel confident that his application will be judged on its merits.”
Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.
You wrote:
“Whereas a non-white person whose name is identifiably non-white has a lower chance of his/her application being considered, simply because of their non-whiteness. (There have been studies done on this.) This is an example of white privilege.”
More hilarity. What jobs are you referring to? As a resident of the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, I encounter the public faces of many businesses. Most bank tellers I see are black. The cashiers at many stores, including the large drug stores and other chain stores, are non-white. Mostly black.
Doctors in this area are often non-white, as are nurses and a large percentage of other healthcare workers.
The elected representatives in Brooklyn are largely non-white. Starting with city councilmen and going up to our representatives in the state and federal government. New York does have two white senators. But my representative to the House is Yvette Clarke, a black woman who lied to voters about graduating from college.
She said she was unaware that she had not graduated.
Despite her lie to voters, she was elected over far more qualified white candidates. Is that black privilege?
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@ no_slappz:
seriously man, you need to get yourself a comedy gig.
Let me explain a basic concept to you:
Sometimes, people speak in generalisations. Which means there will clearly be exceptions to what they say.
Just because you can find and point out the exception to a social phenomena, doesn’t mean the social phenomena doesn’t happen A LOT. And it doesn’t make you particularly clever for doing so.
If you were generally interested, you might go out and talk to a range of women about ways they manage their safety when they are out and about. And you might go and talk to a range of gay people about how open they can be about their sexuality. And you might go and talk to some non-white people about things they have to struggle for which white people would take for granted.
But that would only be if you were actually interested in hearing the experiences of other people, as opposed to drowning them out with the sound of your own opinions.
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Oh, dear. no_slappz was owned once again. LMAO! 😀
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The disgusting reports I just read in the New York times about anti health insurance bill tea baggers spitting on black congressmen and calling them n word and calling epiphits to one gay congressman in washington DC, really highlights how pure grade A racism is extremly alive and well.
These people should be steam rolled. Somebody should b#$%& slap them around for a while.
When I read about this insidious behavior, I dont blame any black American for being on the serious defenscive about white America and its intentions.
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eurasian sensation, you wrote:
“Just because you can find and point out the exception to a social phenomena, doesn’t mean the social phenomena doesn’t happen A LOT.”
Exceptions? This is where you and your fellow fear-mongers run amok.
You first claimed women go to public bathrooms filled with FEAR. Now you claim they are, in fact, raped in public bathrooms.
Wrong. In fact, they are not. But in the black alternate universe, it is in bathrooms that people apparently believe rapes are most often perpetrated. With a little research, you can confirm that rape occurs mostly in non-bathroom settings.
However, the facts too often have no connection to FEAR. Fear is mostly irrational. Like I worry about swimming in the ocean because I do not know if dangerous fish are nearby. It was seeing the movie Jaws that did me in. Not the facts about sea-life.
You wrote:
“But that would only be if you were actually interested in hearing the experiences of other people, as opposed to drowning them out with the sound of your own opinions.”
Like too many others, you believe that FEARING something is the same as EXPERIENCING something.
Anyway, this issue leads back to the fact that these fears are validated by exactly nothing. If there were, somewhere in the world, a successful black nation where the various problems that always afflict humans were evident in minor ways, then you would have a basis for arguing about the presence of privilege. But that nation does not exist.
In fact, as angry as you claim blacks are about life in the US, they are obviously angrier elsewhere.
Meanwhile, with respect to fears among gays, yes, occasional gay-bashing occurs. Guess who generally does the bashing? Anti-gay bias crimes in the US are largely committed by non-whites. Actually, just blacks and hispanics. However, in muslim nations, the government will consider the death penalty for violating laws about permissible sexual activity.
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b.r., you wrote:
“The disgusting reports I just read in the New York times about anti health insurance bill tea baggers spitting on black congressmen and calling them n word and calling epiphits to one gay congressman in washington DC, really highlights how pure grade A racism is extremly alive and well.”
The NY Times article that mentions spitting in its headline does NOT identify the race of the spitters. The article did say a spitter was arrested by Capitol Police. Thus, a lot is known about the spitters.
In NY Times code, however, it is common to omit the race of a perpetrator if the perpetrator is black or hispanic.
Given the nature of the article, readers will most likely assume the spitter is white. But due to the NY Times code, it is tough to know. Readers will have to wait for further clarification, which should not take long since photos were undoubtedly taken by more than one person.
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@ no_slappz:
This is what I said:
“As a male I can walk around at night and go to a public toilet without any fear of being raped. A female might not be able to do this. This is male privilege.”
This is what you claim I said:
“You first claimed women go to public bathrooms filled with FEAR. Now you claim they are, in fact, raped in public bathrooms.”
See the difference?
This is off topic so I don’t want to dwell on it.
But I have another tip for you, which will help you in life and make people less likely to despise you:
When someone tells you something, DO try to understand the main point of what they are saying. Then address the main point.
DON’T take whatever bits of it you fancy and change the context, then accuse them of saying things they didn’t say, in order to aggrandise your own point of view, all the while ignoring what that person was actually trying to tell you.
Btw, fear is something people experience.
Btw2: I love how you manage to make everything about the faults of Islam and coloured people. That takes real skill.
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eurasian sensation, first you wrote:
“As a male I can walk around at night and go to a public toilet without any fear of being raped. A female might not be able to do this. This is male privilege.”
Then you wrote:
“Just because you can find and point out the exception to a social phenomena, doesn’t mean the social phenomena doesn’t happen A LOT.”
Your first sentence is focused on FEAR. Your second sentence states clearly that the event — rape, in this case — happens the way you claimed A LOT.
In other words, you do not keep track of your own statements. Thus, due to your own careless accounting of reality, you become, in fact, a fear monger.
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Someone sure likes being owned not once, but TWICE. 😀
Let’s make it thrice, shall we? 😉
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Eurasian Sensation said:
“Btw2: I love how you manage to make everything about the faults of Islam and coloured people. That takes real skill.”
Just lke a politician, no_slappz is intellectually dishonest borderline bankrupt!
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@Vindicator:
I was thinking along the lines of a used car salesman. 😉
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eurasian sensation, you wrote:
“Btw, fear is something people experience.”
Fear is the imagination at work. Fear may cause uncomfortable feelings, but its presence may have no connection to actual risk.
However, based on your comment, you believe fear makes an imaginary thing a real thing. Well, that explains a lot.
In the US about 40,000 people a year are killed in car accidents. Even though everyone knows accidents are possible, are people filled with fear when they get in a car? Not likely.
On the other hand, women may obsess over the FEAR of being raped in a public bathroom, but they are far more likely to get into a car accident. However, in both settings people have taken precautionary steps. Wearing seatbelts and driving cars with airbags, and for women, staying away from desolate spots at night where trouble might find them.
You wrote:
“Btw2: I love how you manage to make everything about the faults of Islam and coloured people. That takes real skill.”
Skill? No skill necessary. Just the facts. What are the laws regarding homosexuality in muslim theocracies? Where is the violent crime problem centered in the US?
You simply want to shoot the messenger.
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no_slappz said:
“Btw2: I love how you manage to make everything about the faults of Islam and coloured people. That takes real skill.”
“Skill? No skill necessary. Just the facts. What are the laws regarding homosexuality in muslim theocracies? Where is the violent crime problem centered in the US?
You simply want to shoot the messenger.”
You said it, no_slappz you got no skills!
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Ó Dochartaigh said:
“It seems from your list that black people are only capable of delusion because of white people.”
1. Black Americans live in a country that is mostly white, so it stands to reason that most of their delusion is going to come from whites, directly or indirectly. It is not blacks who control the schools, the press, Hollywood, Vogue and so on.
2. My list is far, far from being complete. That was just three. Unfortunately, there are tons of deluded black people. I have not even done Clarence Thomas yet. You even see some deluded black people here. (I am sure some commenters will point me out as one of them.)
If you have your own ideas about deluded black people, and it seems you do, I would like to hear it. Otherwise this is anti-topic. If you remember, the post is about white delusion, not black delusion.
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“You said it, no_slappz you got no skills!”
LMAO!
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Eurasian Senstion said of No Slappz:
“But I have another tip for you, which will help you in life and make people less likely to despise you:
When someone tells you something, DO try to understand the main point of what they are saying. Then address the main point.
DON’T take whatever bits of it you fancy and change the context, then accuse them of saying things they didn’t say, in order to aggrandise your own point of view, all the while ignoring what that person was actually trying to tell you.”
I could not have said it better.
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I am really enjoying the “communication” between Eurasian and no-slappz. I am sure whomever this no-slappz person is, he or she is at home cramming for some outrageous thing to say next in a weak attempt as a rebuttal. You go Eurasian!!!!
Thanks for not banning no-slappz after all Abagond!
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@G-Ball:
Oh, this is for certain. Give him time. lol! 😉
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To Eurasian Sensation:
A white person can apply for a job and feel confident that his application will be judged on its merits. Whereas a non-white person whose name is identifiably non-white has a lower chance of his/her application being considered, simply because of their non-whiteness. (There have been studies done on this.) This is an example of white privilege.
I have seen only one study on this and it was for White sounding names vs. Black sounding names in one section of the US. In keeping with the binary thinking of Social Work, Latinos and Asians (Which combined represent 20% of the US population vs 12.5% for Blacks) were left out.
I’d like to such a survey in California using names that sound Asian, White, Black, and Latino.
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To Aiyo:
I mean how many films have you seen where the person of colour was helping the poor youths who are also people of colour. Or helping white people but not in a magical negro way. I can think of 1 which is Coach Carter anyone else?
Dwayne Johnson in Gridiron Gang certainly matches that description. His role in Walking Tall sort of falls into that mode but he is saving more poor White adults.
Such movies were common in after school specials in the 70s. I remember both Blacks and Whites playing the savior to kids.
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To Leigh204 and Aiyo:
I’ve heard about other teachers of color who did the same thing, and yet, what about them? They deserve as much praise and recognition like this teacher.
James Olmos as Jaine Escalente in Stand and Deliver:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094027/
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Abagond, honey…
*sigh*
You should know better by now, mon homme beau.
“…Otherwise this is anti-topic. If you remember, the post is about white delusion, not black delusion.”
Draptos don’t want to talk about white delusion, cheri. The fact that they feel comfortable–and even justified–in coming onto a post about white delusion only to immediately deflect onto POC is a classic exercise in privilege.
They are not going to self-examine. They are, in fact, allergic to the very notion, as my very first case study showed.
Suggested treatment? Comment sterilization.
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aiyo, you wrote:
I mean how many films have you seen where the person of colour was helping the poor youths who are also people of colour. Or helping white people but not in a magical negro way. I can think of 1 which is Coach Carter anyone else?”
Denzel Washington played a naval officer who reaches out to a troubled black sailor. Can’t recall the name of the movie. Washington played a shrewd cop in Inside Man, and he carried the day when he faced John Travolta in The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3.
Several decades ago — in one of his early roles — Sidney Portier played a doctor who faced prejudice from patients and others and overcame it.
In another movie he played a character who helps a group of white nuns. In another he played a character who befriends a young blind white woman. I think that movie was A Patch of Blue.
Then there was In the Heat of the Night.
Danny Glover fought a lot of evil white guys and rescued his sister in Silverado.
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Ankhesen:
LOL
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Every hotel, theater, Starbucks, diner, restaurant, bar, gas station, etc. offers bathroom facilities to both men and women. There are literally millions of bathrooms available for the public.
Geez, you learn something new every day! Thanks! I usually go in the alley way or bushes if I cant’ wait to get home to go to the toilet. Now that I know they are out there I will use the public ones!
Have these sites been utilized by rapists? No.
You weren’t there so probably not!
Meanwhile, I was in Greenwich Village last night. While there, I saw NO one express disapproval of gay affection.
I doubt anyone would bother you and your boyfriend as you were walking down the street, they’d be too busy laughing!
The Catholic Church claims to forbid homosexuality, yet its workforce is not only gay, but also predatory.
I always wondered why those popes and cardinals had such good fashion sense! I’m going to go to a Catholic church and invite the priest out for shopping and coffee!
Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.
Yes slappz you absolutely are! Thigh slappzing hilarious!
She said she was unaware that she had not graduated.
Despite her lie to voters, she was elected over far more qualified white candidates. Is that black privilege?
No, that’s sour grapes on your part. Perhaps you should’ve run for office! I’d vote for you! Slappz for president! Clean water for everyone!
You first claimed women go to public bathrooms filled with FEAR. Now you claim they are, in fact, raped in public bathrooms.
Maybe your right slappz! I once went into a men’s washroom by mistake. I saw these funny looking things on the wall not quite like a basin(turns out they were urinals). I thought they were some sort of funny toilets from Europe like a bidet or something. Good thing I didn’t try to use it! Anywho, after relieving my bladder and washing my hands, I turned to go. As I was leaving, I saw a man come in and asked him what he was doing in the women’s washroom. I thought he was a pervert! As it turned out, I was in the wrong washroom! Long story short, I wasn’t raped! P.S. The men’s toilets are cleaner then the women’s! Why is that? Could you expound upon the reasons for this please?
Like I worry about swimming in the ocean because I do not know if dangerous fish are nearby. It was seeing the movie Jaws that did me in. Not the facts about sea-life.
Watching “The night of the Living Dead parts 1-20, turned me off of head cheese! I hear ya!
If there were, somewhere in the world, a successful black nation
That could be your campaign slogan when you run for office! Try that slogan in a predominately black neighbourhood! If you come out with your face intact, your chances for election will have gone up exponentially!
Btw2: I love how you manage to make everything about the faults of Islam and coloured people. That takes real skill.
Slappz will need these skills when he runs for office in Flatbush!
Skill? No skill necessary.
I beg to differ. You are skillful at bullsh###ing. That takes talent and comes in handy for a politician! Go slappz go!
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I wouldn’t list Will Smith as an example of such. He has played serious roles before.
I’m a bit confused about your use of the word “darkie”. I always thought “darkie” was just a racial pejorative, like the N-word and didn’t have any real meaning beyond that.
What you call a “happy darkie” is what thought people meant by calling someone a “sambo”. That sort of obsequious, ever-grinning, boisterous personality that keeps whites entertained. I definitely would not include Will Smith in there. You also mentioned Eddie Murphy, but when it comes down to it, how is Eddie Murphy any different from Jim Carey in their roles?
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Noslappz said:
“Meanwhile, I read her[Michelle Obama’s] Princeton senior thesis. It is remarkable for its mediocrity. ”
Yeah, suuuure you read it.
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Ankheson
“Draptos don’t want to talk about white delusion”
I am perfectly aware that white people have delusion and talking about is great. It creates a better sense of awareness, but abagond seems unable to talk about black delusion unless it comes form white people. To fairly address the issue of race they both should be talked about; sadly they don’t seem to be.
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tulio,
I believe I have Michelle Obama’s paper in my computer files. If I do, I will gladly e-mail it to you. If I have it, would you like me to send it to you? Give me an e-mail address.
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No Slappz:
If you send it to me I will do a post on it.
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Ó Dochartaigh:
Look, I gave you the floor despite the topic of this thread and despite what seems to be your attempt to derail it. So please stop complaining about “fair” with your derailing self and tell us all about black delusion.
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To Abagond:
Re: Michelle’s Obama’s Thesis
It’s available online.
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Wow, awesome! Thanks, Uncle Milton.
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Slappz, even if you sent this paper to me, how do I know it’s not forged? Anyone could attach Michelle’s name to a paper and then distribute it across the internet. How would I know it’s from her?
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Tulio:
That is easy: if it meets your preconceptions, then it must be true. If it does not, then clearly it is not. That is how No Slappz does it.
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Black Delusion
I have spoken to many black people that think they are automatically more athletic because they are black. Many African people think they are better than black Americans, I have heard them say, “black Americans are arrogant loud and disrespectful and dumb.” How about black delusion when it comes to Obama, statistics show black people believe Obama will end there struggle and make a black utopia. The biggest black delusion is dismissing slavery in the Bible, “it was the time” I guess, and following a racist bigoted Semitic religion.
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That last one goes to you specifically abagond.
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Why am I “derailing” as you say, it is because you are one sided. I agree with a lot of what you say about white people influencing black thinking, But there are two sides to a coin, but you never want to look at the other side of that coin.
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Ó Dochartaigh says –
How about black delusion when it comes to Obama, statistics show black people believe Obama will end there struggle and make a black utopia.
I would like to know what black people you are talking to that believes that President Obama will end his or her struggle and create a black utopia (so you can admit there is a struggle). I have yet to find a black person who believes this and I bet I talk to more black people than you. Black people are proud of Barack Obama and his accomplishments. Albeit some are expecting too much, but any one with any level of intelligence knows that he can only do so much. He is the president of the United States of America — not the black United States of America.
Again, what blacks and how many do you know that have shared this delusion with you?
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“The biggest black delusion is dismissing slavery in the Bible, “it was the time” I guess, and following a racist bigoted Semitic religion.”
That’s your delusion of what you think black people’s delusions are.
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Ó Dochartaigh –
Another thing, is this not a delusion (this utopia) of black people, but a fear from white people that black people will finally get fair treatment because we have biracial president with a black wife. Is this why Michele Obama is so hated and demonized by many white people? Is this just the fear that for once, people of color will get fair treatment politically, socially and most economically because we finally have someone in power than can understand and acknowledge our plight?
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I know that many research papers, represent the mundane, even when they are peer reviewed.
The only thing that matter is that Michell Obama passed the Bar exams. not how well her writing style could make the mundane into the extraordinary.
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Utopia was a overstatement. Black people absolutely deserve fair and equal treatment, but Obama is not gonna give it to them. JFK and Bill Clinton have done more for equality than Obama will.
http://vodpod.com/watch/2994314-glen-ford-on-black-delusion-in-the-age-of-obama
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Ó Dochartaigh,
1) It’s “Ankhesen.” We’ve met before.
2) When we met, you didn’t seem all that into analyzing white delusion/dysfunction. I see you haven’t changed.
3) (Looking at Macon D; he’ll understand) This post is about white delusion…and you still don’t seem to want to dissect it thoroughly.
You say you agree with the need to discuss white delusion & white dysfunction, but like most whites on a POC blog – or even Macon’s – you always ending up either being defensive or trying to make the post about POC dysfunction. And what is so frustrating is that you can’t even see the damage it does to you – not us – you.
Because when white commenters do this, all it does it reaffirm the common–and gravely incorrect–perception amongst POC and white social activists that:
1) whites are more obsessed with their image then actual progress (i.e., more considered with being called racist than whether or not they actually areracist)
2) whites are ignorant/in denial about racial reality
3) their ignorance/denial is a defense mechanism to keep from them from having to deal with a reality they’re just to sensitive/fragile/weak/ill-equipped to deal with.
Now, I don’t know what part of Appalachia you claim to be from, but I am thoroughly disappointed in you. One of things I’ve always loved about Appalachian whites is their fearlessness in the face of discussions of white dysfunction. They don’t have the luxury of “denial” out here – not with their rates of poverty, illiteracy, suicide rates, and prescription drug addiction. They can’t skirt around their troubles when many of them are just now getting running water in the 21st century, and many more still don’t have stable electricity. They have real problems and they would love to just trot out each and every one of them for the entire country to see & hear–except no one’s listening.
And this is precisely how the whites of America who shouldn’t be ignored go on being ignored…because of the selfish, indulgent hubris of their narcissistic brethren.
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Herneith
That’s your delusion of what you think black people’s delusions are.
No almost every black christian dismisses biblical slavery.
abagond
I’m starting realize that you don’t actually care about racism, and why all people can be racist. Your only talking points are about why white people are racist, and why white people are the problem to the worlds suffering. You are starting to remind me of this guy.
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^^^^^^
Getting antsy aren’t we?
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Ankhesen
I know we have problems, and I know white people usually don’t want to look at their problems, but when I see hypocrisy I feel the need to point it out. Usually I don’t disagree much, I’m not like no slappz and disagree with everything, and in fact agree a lot with what abagond says, but sometimes I think he allows his own racism to get in the way.
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I think “darkies” you described here are similar to “acceptable blackness” you wrote about. It seems that to many white people, Happy and Helpless Darkies are acceptably black, while Ungrateful Darkies are not acceptably black.
I’m saying this because it’s the first thing I thought about here, but you didn’t include a link to “acceptable blackness”, so maybe I’m missing the point.
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@G-Ball:
Excellent post!
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Thanks Leigh!
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Ó Dochartaigh:
You need to get a grip. If you are comparing me to Kamau Kambon and saying how most blacks expect Obama to bring a black utopia, then you ARE becoming like No Slappz because your comments are losing touch with facts. Where have I ever called for violence against whites? Nowhere.
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I agree with you G ball, regardless of why Obama can or can not bring more equality, is do to circumstance. That was my point, but black people tend to think he will help more than any other president because he is black. As the link I posted earlier explains, this is a black delusion based on race, that is not the fault of white people.
I agree completely that white people have problems, and some of those problems have caused POC to think differently, but I also believe that a lot of problems black people have are not because of white people. POC problems and White problems usually all come from the same place; IGNORANCE. It would be nice to see that type of discussion rather than pointing fingers.
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abagond
I never said you wanted wanted to harm anybody, but your conclusions are close to the same, the difference is he wants mass genocide and you don’t. You have been saying that most problems with racism are because of white people. Racism is a much deeper issue than white or black, the major question is why do people, that are unfamiliar with each other dislike one another because of race? This is a human trait of all races, and this is the problem that needs addressed.
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Ó Dochartaigh said:
“Black Delusion
I have spoken to many black people that think they are automatically more athletic because they are black. Many African people think they are better than black Americans, I have heard them say, “black Americans are arrogant loud and disrespectful and dumb.” How about black delusion when it comes to Obama, statistics show black people believe Obama will end there struggle and make a black utopia. The biggest black delusion is dismissing slavery in the Bible, “it was the time” I guess, and following a racist bigoted Semitic religion.”
So here are your black delusions:
1. Some blacks think they are good at sports because they are black.
2. Africans look down on Black Americans.
3. Blacks expect Obama to bring a black utopia.
4. The biggest delusion: Dismissing slavery in the Bible.
My hypocrisy:
1. I wrote about internalized racism but, yes, not this particular form of it.
2. I am not familiar enough with this one (though I have witnessed it) to write about it.
3. Not true.
4. I share it, so how can I write about it as a delusion? I did however do a post on the Bible and slavery.
So where is my huge hypocrisy that you felt you had to derail the thread to point out?
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Ó Dochartaigh –
I honestly believe your intentions are good, but you are still missing the point.
Of course, some of the problems that we face are own fault and I do believe that there is hope for this country to heal from the racism that has sickened our country like a terminal cancer for hundreds of years, but we have to listen to one another and accept that there are still problems. I believe this is the main problem that frustrates the heck out of black people about white people is that sometimes white people talk as if we are making up the fact that we are discriminated against on a daily basis. It just makes my skin crawl when I hear WHITE people say they do not see racism — of course you don’t. I don’t see discrimination against gays and child pornography, but it happens every day! This problem cannot be swept under the rug and many of our country’s problems stem from racism — whether you or any one else would like to admit it. We will not get stronger if we are pulling apart, it just will not happen.
I hate to get too personal, but I am dating some one who happens to be of Swedish and English heritage. He reminds me of you by the way you two talk. His intentions are good and he is not racist, but I believe he just refuses to see the truth. Even though I like him, I could never get really serious with him because as nice as he is, he just doesn’t get it.
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“your comments are losing touch with facts.”
Check out this link:
http://vodpod.com/watch/2994314-glen-ford-on-black-delusion-in-the-age-of-obama
I already stated black utopia was an overstatement, but statistics some would say “facts” show black people believe Obama is more likely to help them because he is black.
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G ball
I feel like your missing my point. I realize the horrible things that white people have done to black people and the deep mistrust that they have because of it. I believe black people are discriminated against on a regular basis, and I see racism almost every day, (I live in Appalachia,) but I think the one thing people on this blog fail to understand is discrediting racism with more blame, bias, and racism is unproductive.
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Well I shouldn’t say unproductive, it produces more blame, bias, and racism.
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Obama is the president of the whole country and has to do what is best for everyone, not just black people.
ON THE OTHER HAND, he knows what it is like to be a black person in America and so he understands way more about blacks than any other president. And, unlike MOST other presidents, he will not overlook their interests.
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Lol @ that blond video. What the hell was that?? I can’t believe so many people sit around worrying about what someone’s hair color is. Or why they think blond hair is any more special than black or brain hair. They talk about blonds being extinct within 200 years, but long before 200 years, technology will allow people to pick the hair color of their kids. I guarantee you. All this nonsense will be a moot issue anyway. Then I guess every white parent will be walking around with blond kids.
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Ó Dochartaigh said:
“You have been saying that most problems with racism are because of white people. Racism is a much deeper issue than white or black, the major question is why do people, that are unfamiliar with each other dislike one another because of race? This is a human trait of all races, and this is the problem that needs addressed.”
Here is how that sounds to me:
“You have been saying that most problems with rape is because of rapists. Rape is a much deeper issue than rapists or their victims, the major question is why do people, that are different sexes feel a physical attraction for one another? This is a human trait found in both rapists and victims, and this is the problem that needs addressed.”
I agree that there is a “us v them” feeling that is common to all human societies, but that is not what is driving this. At best that feeling is being twisted into something much worse.
The racism against blacks comes DIRECTLY out of America’s slave past. There is no deep mystery about it, except for those who want there to be a deep mystery about it. And there is nothing “natural” about it – it is sick and twisted.
But there is more: how whites see blacks is also affected by the genocide of the Native Americans: for whites a human life has little worth or value unless it is white. That is not “natural” either but extremely sick.
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Ó Dochartaigh,
“I know we have problems, and I know white people usually don’t want to look at their problems”
Then talk about them.
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Real classy. Making the most offensive comment on a thread that contains the likes of no_slappz is quite an achievement.
For some reason, that comment didn’t affect me in the slightest. I should be offended, but I’m not. Maybe I’ve become immune to race comments like that because I see white commenters make similar comments about black people so often. When I type in Michelle Obama and the first suggestions are “Michelle Obama ape,” and “Michelle Obama monkey,” I just consider it another day in the good ol’ USA.
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@ Natasha W:
Personally I see no point in claiming to be opposed to racism, if I overlook incredibly racist comments just because a black person said them.
“But white people do it too” doesn’t fly as an excuse in my opinion.
Don’t forget the homophobic implications of the aforementioned statement as well.
Put it this way, if a white person made repeated comments about black people that were anything like her comments about white people, I imagine they would be banned in a heartbeat.
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ES,
I’m not excusing it all; don’t know why you interpreted my comment as doing so. I was just making an offhand remark about it not affect me because I was somewhat surprised it did not. I think it’s a bad thing actually, that I merely blink at such comments. Maybe four or five years ago, my response would have been to call the person out immediately. But that’s just what living in America does to you — it makes you to become unaffected by the small, and large, ways that groups are discriminated against. You have to work become more proactive.
Also, I don’t think a white commenter making similar comments about black people would be banned, because there are white commenters that do make remarks like that, they just aren’t regular commenters. Even no_slappz gets to stay, and from what people quote of him, he isn’t much better.
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*affecting
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What are you guys talking about?
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@ abagond:
not just that statement in isolation, but a whole host of others on previous threads.
Personally I’m not an advocate of banning people anyway. But I’m not a fan of stupid racist comments either.
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As the English might say over here ‘it could have been worded better with some thought behind it’ ha ha
Especially on a chatboard where language is everything (since you cannot pick up the Non-verbal communication aspects to language of a commentator)…
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@ Mira:
I did not think about acceptable blackness as compared to darkies. Good point.
@ Tulio:
Right, in the dictionary “darkie” means a derogatory term for blacks. But here I extended it to anyone darker than white because these stereotypes are applied to other people of colour under white rule. We saw that in Chapter 4 of Fanon’s “Black Skin, White Masks”:
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I did not think about acceptable blackness as compared to darkies. Good point.
I understand there are “darkies” who are not black, while “acceptable blackness” is about black people only (well, about the way whites see them). But I did notice similarities.
While there might be more acceptably black “categories” than Happy and Helpless Darkies, Ungrateful Darkies are definitely those who are not considered acceptably black. (At least that’s what I see from comments and various articles, not just here).
Also, it seems that many whites don’t expect all blacks to be happy or helpless, but the “angry”, “ungrateful” kind is definitely not what they find acceptable.
But what I find more interesting is what you need to do to be labelled “angry and ungrateful”: not much. You don’t have to yell at white people, call for white genocide or say all whites are evil. Not agreeing with what you call “apple pie view of the world” is enough. This disagreement doesn’t have to be angry, it can be rational, well worded and not angry in an irrational sense of the word.
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White America may except Will Smith or Jamie Fox. A portion of them would vote for a so-called Black as a president. But Whites won’t except Blacks as a Nation. Daam I’m considered a minority in my own country. Consider me a pissed-off skin-cancer preventing-melanin blessed-first man who walk the earth-gave birth to Whites-“darkie”
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To Abagond:
how whites see blacks is also affected by the genocide of the Native Americans: for whites a human life has little worth or value unless it is white.
Whites in the 20th centuries did a very good job of killing each other. Whites killed more whites in first 50 years of the 20th century than that of Blacks or Native Americans combined for the previous 400 years.
What makes you believe modern Whites feel that human life has little worth unless that human is White..? How does that compare to modern Blacks..?
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Uncle Milton,
I think it’s just a matter of “quantity”, so to speak. To many whites, blacks are still seen as inferior. In that sense, their lives are not as important as lives of blacks. However, that doesn’t mean whites like each other. Whites don’t see themselves as uniform group. That is, some of them see themselves as superior than the others. In that sense, lives of “low class” or “less important” whites are also not as important as lives of “superior” whites. Low whites might be more important than blacks, but that doesn’t mean they’re equal to “superior” whites. Hence: wars between whites. Just think about it: whites were killing each other before they even knew there were black people. All in all, white on white hate has nothing to do with blacks.
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@ Eurasian Sensation
I hear you.
I think Abagond is an excellent writer who picks some of the best topics. There’s so much potential for highly productive dialogue on this blog, but it’s not happening because certain commenters are on here who don’t actually need to be. Abagond posts about one thing, they show up and bitch about something else. Their presence is simply toxic–nothing more.
They’re not contributing, so even if they really do “follow the rules”, they won’t be missed by anyone. I LOVE what Abagond did with the “darkies” topic and I would love to talk about it in-depth, but I see no point.
So Abagond, mon auteur lumineaux, je vous dirai de nouveau:
Comment. Sterilization.
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Mira,
Excellent point.
The problem is, your average White American begs to differ.
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To Mira:
Just think about it: whites were killing each other before they even knew there were black people. All in all, white on white hate has nothing to do with blacks.
Sorry I disagree. hating someone else is about objectification…. if one is White and hates other Whites or Blacks or Asians or whomever…. it is all objectification. A human trait.. and something in my opinion no particular race in the US is much better or worse than any other race. By the way, also notice I said modern Whites and modern Blacks.
If Abagond would like to explain why he thinks Blacks value other races (now…) more than Whites value other races I’d like to hear it. (And I am talking about modern Whites and Blacks in the US not in Africa or Russia..)
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ERE, lol. I tend to disagree with commenters on this blog much more often than I agree with them. You can look through any of my old comments and see that.
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Hereneith
The Texas school board is retarded, I honestly believe those people live in a fantasy land. That is something abagond should write about. Talk about inequality there comparing Martin Luther King to the black panther party. They are taking out Thomas Jefferson because of his anti christian views and replacing him with John Calvin!!!! It is madness.
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Oh and I compared abagond to Kamau Kambon, not because abagond wants to exterminate white people, but because they both think all black peoples problems come from white people.
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@ Herneith
Not sure I comprehend, it’s midnight in London. Nowhere did I call for anyone to be banned, No_Slappz doesn’t count.
I never said it affects anyone on a personal level, but the need to let all know what you choose to read or not regarding a commenter is unnecessary. It influences/provokes and clarifies to all how you feel about a particular commenter who prior to that hadn’t addressed you, therefore it’s personal.
As you said it she has no power, hence, the matter baffled me. I believe her anger is reactionary, I may not condone it but I can relate. It won’t be palatable to everyone of course, my own response was equally reactionary to the triviality of it all!
To each their own I guess.
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Oh and I compared abagond to Kamau Kambon, not because abagond wants to exterminate white people, but because they both think all black peoples problems come from white people.
I take Abagond to task for a number of things but I don’t believe he thinks all of the problems of Black people emanate from White people. More so that he feels that Black problems that emanate from Black people are already covered enough in the media.
I wouldn;t be surprised if Kamau Kambon had a White girlfriend. The man is a comedian. Chris Rock has a skit where he talks about an uncle he has who wants to kill all of the White people when the revolution comes… except Susan his White wife.
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Uncle Milton
Maybe he doesn’t but most of his recent posts say otherwise.
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Uncle Milton, Chris Rock must’ve meant the “white wife” to be part of the joke because his wife is black:
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@MerriMay:
I wasn’t referring to your post but others that call for banning. In fact, I agreed with much of what you posted. Sorry for for any confusion, I was just adding my own opinion, I should’ve have structured the post better. What are you doing up so late? Shouldn’t you be alseep?
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@Leavumthinking:
If this wasn’t true, I’d think this situation was something out of a satire magazine or a comedy skit! Scary! Get out of Texas if you can, it can only get worse! I am not joking! If they can do this, then what next?
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Mind boggling!
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… I think the real issue here is viz. is the language and specifically the words expressed appropriate or not, irrespective of whether we can choose to ignore those comments??
As I said before I can sympathise with what Abagond
has to contend with here
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@ Ó Dochartaigh:
Uncle Milton had it right:
“I take Abagond to task for a number of things but I don’t believe he thinks all of the problems of Black people emanate from White people. More so that he feels that Black problems that emanate from Black people are already covered enough in the media. “
Here is how I put it in one of my posts:
“Whites use their power to make themselves look good and blacks look bad. From the time we are little children our minds are filled with “white is right” and “black is bad” over and over again, making white people big-headed and blacks self-hating. I am not going to use my blog to add to that.”
Source:
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@ Herneith
LOL I enjoy this blog before I turn in 🙂
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Abagond, why did you delete the exchange between myself and ere? I understand that it might’ve included some things that could be seen as ad hominem and it was a bit off-topic, but I was civil. Plus, now the discussion is disjointed and the comments left seem out of place.
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Natasha W:
It was personal and off topic.
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I know. Well, it’s your blog. C’est la vie.
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To Natasha W:
Uncle Milton, Chris Rock must’ve meant the “white wife” to be part of the joke because his wife is black:
http://fancyfreedom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/chrisrockfamily.jpg
Yes I know..
Sorry I was paraphrasing.. Chris Rock was imitating his Uncle (who may or may not actually exist in real but does for the skit…..)
It went something like this:
“When the revolution comes I want all of the White people to be dead ! Except for Susan, she doesn’t count.”
(Susan is the White wife of Chris Rock’s Uncle)
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Uncle Milton said:
“What makes you believe modern Whites feel that human life has little worth unless that human is White..? How does that compare to modern Blacks..?”
It looks like this will become a post. If it does, I will post a link later in this thread. Otherwise I will just cut and paste what I have as a comment later on.
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To Abagond:
It looks like this will become a post. If it does, I will post a link later in this thread. Otherwise I will just cut and paste what I have as a comment later on.
Ok.. FWIW the question in my mind can not be fully proved or disproved, I would just like to hear your thoughts. (I am excluding events of the recent past like the actions of Germans in WWII.. and from countries like Rwanda and the Congo…but keeping a modern US focus…)
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eurasian sensation, you wrote:
You obviously have not read my repeated arguments with no_slappz. I call him out on his bullshit and I call you out on yours.
Yeah, except that I always support my positions with factual evidence.
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uncle milton, you wrote:
Whites in the 20th centuries did a very good job of killing each other. Whites killed more whites in first 50 years of the 20th century than that of Blacks or Native Americans combined for the previous 400 years.
You appear to provide a statement on the relative willingness of whites to kill one another rather than people of other races. However, your statement has little meaning.
First, your focus on the 20th century was global. Thus, the death toll includes two world wars, but only half of WWII since Japan is not white. There were other lesser conflicts along the way, and, of course, the Holocaust.
Nevertheless, it is possible to develop a reasonable estimate of the number of whites killed by whites in the 20th century, and we can break down that number by hemisphere, region and nation.
With respect to the American Indians and the US drive to kill anyone standing in the way of our westward expansion, I am not sure it is possible to give a credible estimate of the death toll. The argument has been muddied by claims that the native population of North America before whites arrived was hundreds of millions. Who knows?
If there were hundreds of millions of natives here before whites, then the death toll of white expansion was huge. Who knows? Who cares? It really does not matter.
On the other hand, we also know nothing about the death toll in Africa from conflicts between black tribes. Nobody was counting, and nobody was taking notes.
However, based on the tribes found by those who explored Africa and the efforts of a long list of anthropologists, it is obvious tribal war was a common event. But, due to lack of reliable and credible documentation, no one knows the true extent of the bloodshed.
Meanwhile, the American Indian conflict was distinctly American. Thus, anyone standing in the way of US expansion would have met the same fate.
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@ no_slappz:
“Yeah, except that I always support my positions with factual evidence.”
LOL.
Like when you tried to convince me (an Indonesian) that Indonesia was an Islamic state in which Obama attended a madrassah? Or that male privilege doesn’t exist?
Spare me your “facts”, please.
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Obviously, since he’s white, he knows Indonesians better than they know themselves.
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@ Mira:
… and black people better than they know themselves. And so on.
We should all be greatful to bask in his omniscient wisdom.
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Too bad many people act really ungrateful and refuse to take his advice.
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Eurasian Sensation:
In case you do not already know, you can change your WordPress avatar by going here:
http://en.gravatar.com/
All you need is an email address.
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I used this story today to illustrate a point to a young male family member.. (sorry may be badly translated)
‘just imagine..
You come to a country as a refuge from a bloody civil war. you follow all the laws of your new country, become an active member of your new community, speak the language perfectly and adopt the culture. However sometimes you still face discrimination- in your old country you were a respected and intelligent doctor but now you are only good for scrubbing toilets or working at a checkout. Youths sometimes shout racist comments to you in the street, sometimes they go further and throw bricks through your windows or graffitti your property.
You complain to the authorities but they don’t follow it up.
Sometimes people won’t serve you in shops, and when they do they follow you around supiciously (they just know you are going to steal something). You try to make friends with locals but it never works- they don’t want to associate with you and anyway why would they bother they already know what all you asylum seekers are like. so you have to stick with other refugees – you are then accused of being too cliquey and not mixing outside your community. this are just a few of the things you experience. you always feel like a second class being in the new country.
You just want the same respect everyone else gets , but all anyone ever tell you is-
“Well at least you are not back in your old country with the civil war. sure you may not have full rights here but just think if you were back home you would probably killed (or starving etc…). In fact you should be grateful to us for taking you in, we did you big favour and don’t you forget it! we saved you so we can treat you how we want. besides you’d be treated much worse in your old country.. don’t be so ungrateful” ‘
is this thinking story an example of ungrateful darkie?
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@Lucia
perfect example of an ungrateful darkie I sure people on this blog can relate to that story or have family memebers/friends who have gone/is going through it.
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@ Aiyo
Yes I’m currently doing some work with refugees/asylum seekers and helping them settle into new communities. some of the stuff they have been through is truly horrific.
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Lucia:
Wow. I agree with Aiyo. That is a perfect example of what an ungrateful darkie is. That is just how it works: whites have become so used to being racist jerks that if you complain then there is something wrong with YOU not THEM.
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I am going through an ‘ungrateful darkie’ scenario at work.
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@ Abagond:
ok well I wondered if it was or not because obviously not all refugees are black or even ‘non-white’. Many of the ones I know are eastern european etc.
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sorry I meant to say eastern european or middle eastern.. not dark skinned at all, in fact lighter than many western europeans..
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Also I jus want to ask about the original post… what exactly are Angelina Jolie and Madonna views on ‘darkies’ and how are they wrong?
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Well, I am not sure about Jolie and Bono. That is why I left it as an “exercise” for the reader – and a possible post idea for me.
If I did a post on it, I would have to read and hear stuff they said about Africa and then think about in light of the idea of darkies.
Based on what I can remember them saying, however, I think Jolie does see Africans as darkies, as does Madonna, and as Helpless Darkies in particular. Thus their adopting children from Less Fortunate Parts of the world – even though there are tons of children in America no one is adopting.
Bono, on the other hand, seems to see Africa more in moral terms. He is from Ireland so that might have something to do with it, the land of the original darkies of the English-speaking world, Colony Zero of the British Empire.
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Lucia:
Right, the darkie thing is more about power than race. In fact, most of the race stuff I write about is driven by power imbalances. Even the stuff on Halle Berry.
If China took over America, then the darkies would mainly be white! The Chinese would take special note of the happy whites and prove their Amazing Niceness by noticing and helping the helpless whites (though maybe that is more a Christian hang-up) – and, of course, they would not like the ungrateful whites who are never happy for some reason!
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Bono, on the other hand, seems to see Africa more in moral terms. He is from Ireland so that might have something to do with it, the land of the original darkies of the English-speaking world, Colony Zero of the British Empire.
Hmmm… Could be true (technically). But in practice- I am sorry I have to disagree. All I know about Bono’s activities and persona, he is a bit “phony” in a way. He seems (and I hope I’m wrong here) as sort of a person who doesn’t know much about history or actual cultures, and trusts everything he sees on the news- and his help often sees as something of “look at me!!! Look what I’m doing! Gimme that Nobel!”
Yes. I am being mean. Still, I don’t see him as much better than Angelina. He doesn’t seem to understand or truly cares about other cultures, all he cares is talking how “our world” (his culture) is bad and he’s THE ONLY ONE who is doing something. Blah blah blah.
U2 rocks, though.
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@ Great White Man:
No problem with dissenting views – there’s plenty of them here. But there’s a right and a wrong way to do it, dude. If you wanna hang out on this blog, it pays to show a modicum of respect for other people who comment. Do so, and you’ll be much less likely to be labelled a troll.
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Great White Man:
Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they require psychiatric care.
You said:
“She is obviously a sick minded person. She thinks by posting about some white criminal that its suppose to make us sorry to be white..SMH”
By that measure some white commenters on this blog are sick-minded too since they think black crime PROVES there is something wrong with blacks. Yet if I kicked them off white people would say I am afraid of the truth.
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The Great White Man is not a racist name..are you kidding me?
I’m just proud to be white!!
I don’t hate anyone…I love all people!!
Black women are the most gorgeous on earth IMHO, although I see beauty per individual..so I LOVE ALL WOMEN ON EARTH!
I only despise ignorance. That is why I am on topix, my lost woman, to combat ignorance, racism, thievery of history…
if these things didn’t exist, i would not bother with it.
Just judge people as individuals….NOT the color of their skin.
Bottom Line..
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[…] darkies […]
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I was introduced to the “content darkie” when I was twelve. My grandmother and mother wrote history books for the SC schools–very racist. One time I was in the room while my grandmother argued with my mother about using the word “darkie” to describe black children in the history book for grammer school. I said, Grandmother, that’s not a good word. She was appalled and said, “but darkie was their pet name, they loved to be called darkie.” Racism in my family was deep, deep.
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[…] of the President of Uganda? The name of the capital? What about the name of the last President? What is an Acholi? I am willing to bet that the answer would be “no” to all those questions. Those are […]
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What a load of crap. What about Black people who see things just the way they are? I see problems for every race, and I believe that in America, we are given the opportunity to become what we want through hard work. I don’t believe that there is an evil motive behind every interracial incident. Sometimes people are just THUGS and meet with their inevitable fate, and sometimes cops ARE racist and use their badges to bully. I see everything in a case by case spectrum, not an automatic ascription to my emotional whims, usually encouraged by inept leadership.
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[…] and derision, with what appears to be a depiction of American slaves a throwback to that of “happy darkies” cooning in in 1920’s era minstrel shows. In the book, two slaves of the first […]
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I’m a musician as well as a builder. I am determined to make money as a builder. At the same time, while I make considerably more money building, I get A LOT of encouragement to stay in music, but to be honest, sometimes it rubs me the wrong way. I can’t get over the feeling that by being a musician that I am complicit in a set of social arrangements that I didn’t agree to; that of making people feel good about their imprisonment in this culture. That my music acts as a somnambulant in some way. Anyway, I will talk to some very wise, very talented, black musicians over the next few days and see where their minds and hearts are about this topic. Thanks for your remarks. I have to say that I recognized my own “Ungrateful Darkie” self and it cracked me up!
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I Am By The Way Writing My Memoire On This Book- Black Skin White Masks- Black Race In Discrimination And The Way To Liberation.
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Ancestors you were but not in my family. My X was a Souix but he is a very angry person to whom no 1 wants to be around. He has all the facial features of the Lakota people. 50 years of marriage could not change this man n his behavior.
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Who cares about Angelina Jolie and Bono’s views on Africa? Ian Smith’s views on Africa were far wiser than either of those valid celebrities.
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oh lord @kruger, your profile link sounds like that tired old cliche about the south rising again, better add enough yeast! or fertilizer
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@v8driver – the Boer Republics, Rhodesia, and the South are all more worthy of existence than the anti-White regimes currently occupying their land.
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