Justine Damond (1977-2017), also known as Justine Ruszczyk, was an unarmed White woman from Australia who was gunned down in the US by a Black police officer, Mohamed Noor, from Somalia. That was last Saturday near midnight, July 15th 2017, in a quiet, well-lit neighbourhood in Minneapolis, Minnesota. She had called the police to report what sounded like a sexual assault and was standing there in her pyjamas when police gunned her down. All she had on her was a mobile phone.
Video: none so far. The police had their body cameras turned off for some strange reason. Their car’s dashcam also seemed to have been off.
Eyewitnesses: so far only the police:
The police:
“As they reached West 51st Street, Officer [Matthew] Harrity indicated that he was startled by a loud sound near the squad [car]. Immediately afterward Ruszczyk approached the driver’s side window of the squad. Harrity indicated that Officer [Mohamed] Noor discharged his weapon, striking Ruszczyk through the open driver’s side window.”
Note that Noor, sitting on the passenger side, had to shoot across Harrity, sitting in the driver’s seat, to hit Damond. He shot two or three times.
They gave her medical attention right away (not always the case with Black victims).
The police union: silent.
The prime minister of Australia, Malcolm Turnbull:
“It is a shocking killing, and yes, we are demanding answers on behalf of her family.”
The press: is demonizing the police officer and humanizing his victim – the opposite of what they do when the victim is Black. For example:
- New York Daily News: Justine Damond devoted life to helping others
- The Guardian: Justine Damond: video shows Australian rescuing ducklings near Minneapolis home
In the first four days since the shooting, according to a Google search, there have been:
- 626 web pages with the phrase “justine damond’s loved ones”
- 1,050 pages with “killer cop mohamed noor”
Compare that to the first four days after the Tamir Rice shooting:
- 0 pages said “tamir rice’s loved ones”
- 0 pages said “killer cop tim loehmann”
The press instead demonized Tamir Rice’s loved ones.
For Noor, the press has not just gone through his record as a police officer, as they should, but they have even gone through his divorce documents and family court records. That is the kind of bastards they are.
For Damond, meanwhile, you read stuff like this being said about her:
“She was a model human being and if someone could have been designed with the biggest heart and the most love and kindness and compassion that I’ve ever met, that was Justine.”
The BBC showed her parents in Australia throwing flowers into the sea at a dawn vigil:
When you compare this to coverage of police shootings of Black people, it becomes sickeningly clear how racist the White press is.
Caucasian wake-up call? If Noor, like every other killer cop in Minnesota history, serves no time in prison, maybe it will be a wake-up call to White people about the nature of the police.
Not holding my breath.
– Abagond, 2017.
Update (May 3rd 2019): Mohamed Noor was found guilty of third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter despite the lack of video evidence. He could get up to 16 years in prison. He is in jail awaiting sentencing next month.
Sources: mainly BBC, CBS Minnesota, Minnesota Department of Public Safety, Gold Coast Bulletin. Images from BBC and Gold Coast Bulletin.
See also:
- Mohamed Noor
- killer cops
- also metro Minneapolis/St Paul:
- Tamir Rice
- Charleena Lyles – also called the police only to get shot dead.
- Peter Liang – a non-White officer hung out to dry where a White officer would have almost certainly been protected. Also heard a sound before shooting.
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There are 150 search results for “tamir rice’s loved ones” including one with a tweet from Hillary Clinton — Sending support to Tamir Rice’s loved ones. Too many black families are mourning the loss of a child. We need to change that reality. -H. —
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I knew you would pick up on this media bias! Not to mention, they IMMEDIATELY released his name, race and police records complete with complaints against him. Very interesting indeed…
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It will be interesting how this is going to go down. I posted my thoughts in the open thread. I am sorry this lady is dead. I do feel they will flip the script in regard to the cop Mohamed Noor. He is a part of a marginalized community and the justice system will make an example of him and it possible he will go to prison. Black citizens have been on the receiving end of brutality from law enforcement for centuries. So now whites need to experience what black people go through on a daily basis just trying to stay alive going about their daily lives.
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@ Jim
Tamir Rice was killed November 22nd 2014. Hillary Clinton sent that tweet nearly a year later, on October 12th 2015, not within the first four days:
(https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/653592446140555264)
By that point she was running for president and courting the Black vote.
In the immediate aftermath of the Tamir Rice shooting she was silent, as the press demonized those loved one. She was also silent in the immediate aftermath of the Michael Brown shooting in 2014:
but would later gather Michael Brown’s mother to her cause by 2016:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/michael-brown-s-mother-appears-at-democratic-national-convention-prompting/article_4b4e6e1a-55c7-5267-828a-e74472b0a7ee.html
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This shooting, like the shootings of Philando Castile and Tamir Rice, should be discussed in the context of the work of “Dr.” William J. Lewinski. Lewinski has been involved in cop training for decades and his essential message to cops is “shoot first and ask questions later”. Along with this, he works zealously to promulgate propaganda to the general public along the lines of “police work is very dangerous” and “police are heroes” and similar messages, all calculated to encourage citizens to accept the notion that cops are always justified in shooting civilians if they feel afraid — all while teaching cops that they should always feel afraid.
It is perhaps somewhat macabre, but necessary to have a public conversation about this. Police are the bleeding edge between tyranny and liberty. They are authorized to use force to deprive citizens of liberty and even life. It is inevitable in the nature of the interface between police and citizens that there will be some violence and some death, including inadvertent violence and death inflicted upon undeserving individuals. As a policy matter, Lewinski would have the nation accept the notion that, in every case, it is acceptable that an occasional innocent civilian be killed by the police as an unfortunate collateral result of the police being allowed to act in a paranoid and cowardly self-serving manner.
I would submit that the obverse is the case; that is, as between undeserved civilian death, and undeserved police officer death, the national policy decision should tilt toward the officer death as the more acceptable. Officers choose police work, they choose when and how and whom to engage in the public, and they are entrusted with a force that imposes on them a fiduciary obligation to the citizenry to use that force only in the most crystal clear necessity circumstances.
I would mention one other point here: the role of public unions. The pig union has a provision in most pig CBA’s by which a pig cannot be interviewed or interrogated after an OIS until after the officer has had an opportunity to meet with union reps and legal counsel and fabricate his testimony. The ludicrous, obviously fabricated testimony of officer Yanez in the Philando Castile trial is an example of how this works. The pig silence in the wake of this woman’s shooting, that is the sound of pig union reps and pig lawyers fabricating a story. The difficulty they face is that early news reports included statements, attributed to the officer in the driver’s seat, that he was startled when he heard the sound of officer Noor’s gun shooting this woman. The news often gets facts wrong, and that could be the case here, but it was said in the press.
So now the pigs are trying to re-shape that narrative to the sound coming first, then the feeling of being startled, which in turn led to a fear of being ambushed, which in turn led to the shooting. In real time, we are (possibly) hearing the sound of fabricated testimony being created.
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@ Blanc2
Well said!
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First and foremost, my heart goes out to Justine Diamond’s family. No one should be unnecessarily shot to death regardless of their skin color.
On the other hand, this situation present an unprecedented opportunity for law enforcement administrators, politicians and whites in general to prove that Blue Lives Matter.
Additionally, this country is continually being mocked by a Higher Authority.
“Not holding my breath.” – Abagond
You better not!
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Hey Blanc2
“I would submit that the obverse is the case; that is, as between undeserved civilian death, and undeserved police officer death, the national policy decision should tilt toward the officer death as the more acceptable. Officers choose police work, they choose when and how and whom to engage in the public, and they are entrusted with a force…”
Underserved civilian death versus undeserved officer death won’t really be comparable concepts. The last sentence in your quote above explains why. I doubt most people will agree with the idea of underserved officer death because of the line of work they CHOOSE, hence heightened risk threat and expectations. Thus cops deaths will be viewed as unfortunate, heroic, tragedy… (not saying those aren’t deserved), but undeserved will rarely come into play because of the nature of the job. The context in the way civilians are being killed wont really ever be the same as cops.
It would seem you submit that officers face more high risk situations on a daily basis, thus the expectation of ones’ death should be more accepted. But if you think about it, the majority of police officers never fire their weapon in the line of duty during the entirety of their career. Yes they face more threats of bodily harm, but to the point of death, probably not as much as the public really thinks.
I mean, they do walk around with guns, tasers, handcuffs and mace to protect their persons. Also having a gun pointed at you, more often than not, will cause a person to comply so the officer may not have to shoot. Not to mention, a civilian’s learned avoidance to killing cops (even if they don’t respect them) and the public heighted awareness of the various consequences of killing an officer.
Compare that too civilians who are often unarmed, I would expect more civilian deaths (not that I agree).
This is before you account for Dr. William J. Lewinski’s questionable training and conflicts of interest, racism, power and police culture; when these are added, the chance of survival is on the side of the officer.
If you take into account armed civilians I could generalize that to 50/50 chance, but officers have superior training and more often than not a partner with them. For the civilian who has no compunction (or the intention) with killing a cop, here we could make a fairer comparison and the odds would be 50/50; and the title underserved police offer death may even be considered and warranted.
PF-T
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I believe that the murder of Justine Damond has been given the publicity it deserves and officer Noor should be vilified. However, it just goes to show the disparaging publicity usually given to black people murdered by white police officers in your country.
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@Abagond…“If Noor, like every other killer cop in Minnesota history, serves no time in prison…”
I’ll bet you a dollar — this brother’s gonna do some time!
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Too many holes in the story. I will wait for all the facts to be presented before judging.
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RIP. Bless her unsuspecting Aussie heart.
Let Milo and ’em March 4 her. I have no black tears 2 shed 4 Becky because I ave 2 conserve them 4 the blacks that ave been n will b killed by white pigs.
Let this b a lesson. U just can’t sneak up on certain Negros in a dark alley at midnight with loud noises and fireworks goin off in the background. Especially ones who come from war torn areas.
As we know the police officer is a blk man n Muslim? Yeah he’s f*cked. They’re already setting the cop up 2 get deep fried. Beta believe those Somali applications r goin straight 2 the bottom of the pile.
They released his name, pic, life story and blood type with quickness. Another L for the Somali community.
R they gonna ask their fellow Arabs 4 (Who they claim kinship with) support ?
Happen. Not. Gonna.
(Some of Somalia’s r so anti-black & anti-African).
But it’ll take cops killin more whites 4 true legislative changes 2 occur.
Look at the War on Drugs.
It was okay 2 giv long sentences to blk people. But now whites r ODing at astronomical proportions, they want 2 change legislation.
But I can’t recall a time where white ppl protested against the police, even if the victim was 1 of their own.
N I’d bet anything when they got the call, they assumed sum blk guy had broken in. It’s dark. They c sum1 fumbling around the garage assuming it’s a blk guy n shoot 1st b4 assessing anything.
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The fact that this cop shot through a window right across from his partner is certainly wild west kind of stuff and probably meant it took his partner by surprise and not a preconceived notion that both knew at the same time.
@HipHopRecords. Yes, in some cases, there is tension. I don’t think all East Africans consider Arabs their brothers or whatever you think. They are neighboring countries and adopt cultural similarities along the way. But I haven’t met an East African American and come across quite a few in everyday life as co-workers and during high school that had animosities towards African Americans or other blacks. Once you get to know people things change.
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Some white people have completely missed the point of this incident and will not see the shadow of double standards in this. The white lens is so blinding.
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Just one month ago, Philando Castile’s mother reacted to the acquittal of the cop who murdered her son with the words: “Y’all are next.”
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJsD4c-CpUA)
That did not take long, in Minnesota no less.
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@ Brothawolf
True. But white Americans tend to be purposefully oblivious like that.
In the meantime, the attorney for Justine Damond’s family, ladies and gents:
http://www.startribune.com/family-hopes-to-bring-justine-damond-back-to-australia/435657923/
They’re really playing up this narrative of the “perfect white victim” as if she’s Mother Teresa’s great grand-niece or something. Here’s hoping someone digs up a black or Aboriginal boyfriend in her past so she can be tarred and feathered as a “mudshark” and fall from media grace.
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@Mack
I guess she thought that white privilege was going to save her when she snuck up on a police officer. Oh my how wrong she was.
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Compare that to the first four days after the Tamir Rice shooting:
0 pages said “tamir rice’s loved ones”
0 pages said “killer cop tim loehmann”
I think the fact that no web pages were made for Tamir Rice, says more about Black people than anything else.
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Maybe this will have the same affect as the killing of Goodman and Schwerner (and Chaney) a generation or two ago.
Many who don’t often interact with the po-po don’t understand how scared and jumpy many of them are.
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The Western media lies has helped to destroy Iraq,Libya,Somalia,Afghanistan and now Syria and Iran are the targets. Look at the end result!
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@ uglyblackjohn
“Many who don’t often interact with the po-po don’t understand how scared and jumpy many of them are.”
Any opinions as to why they are “scared and jumpy”?
After all, in many situations they are fully armed, trained and backed by the State. Not to mention legal impunity.
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@ Mitch
Troll bait.
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“I think the fact that no web pages were made for Tamir Rice, says more about Black people than anything else.” – Mitch
That’s your pusillanimous opinion. Now own it and move on!
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@blakksage,
And why wouldn’t I own my opinion.
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@ Mitch
Yeah, what it says is that during the first four days after Tamir Rice’s death, black people were out in the streets marching and demanding accountability of the police and elected officials — too busy to be sitting around on the internet.
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@Solitaire
I like that reply.
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My, my, my!: http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-chief-janee-harteau-resigns/435864713/
That was fast no??? I could be wrong but, I can’t seem to remember this ever happening to ANY of her male counterparts in the murders of Black folk…
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@Mitch = dense!
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Michele Bachmann is using this shooting to pound the drum for Islamophobia and Trump:
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04IIL2mPCs8)
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@ Deb
The article you linked to is a study in blame, blame-shifting, CYA and backstabbing by public officials in the glare of the media spotlight.
Then there is the utter hypocrisy of the White community mobilized to action only when a fellow White person is murdered by the police. They demanded the police chief’s resignation and shouted down the mayor. Yet, they were silent when equally innocent Philando Castile was murdered little over a year ago.
The only person in the article who pointed out the disparity of treatment between Officer Noor and the White and Latinx officers who killed civilians was mayoral candidate, Nekima Levy-Pounds.
Levy-Pounds noted:
On various forums over the past few years, when Black people wrote about how differently events would unfold if a Black cop killed a White citizen, the White commenters would scoff and tell them how “crazy” they sounded. It is instructive to watch the over-the-top reactions of White people in both the US and Australia—–both racist, colonial settler states.
Now another person has been gunned down by trigger happy cops. Because the victim is the “right color” and suitably “innocent” we get to see the predictions of Black people come to life before our eyes.
Deb, thanks for the link. The “related coverage” in the sidebar is also worth examining.
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What was Ms Damond’s immigration status? Was she even here legally?
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@ Afrofem
Yup.
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if my rider fired a handgun in the car across my face to shoot a lady in pajamas i would take his gun pull him out of the car i was driving and punch him about the face and head like kick his ass right then and there,no body cams right
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what was the time of day? was it dark?
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@v8driver…“was it dark?”
Yup…rolling through the alley with the lights off.
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Ok 2327. Dark, there, then.
It’s one thing being an armchair general, but, black or white, this is a ridiculous trend.
-tc
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So it takes a white citizen to get killed and then they get rid of the police chief and get outraged with the mayor, where were these people for Philando Castille? I guess if you’re part of the underclass you are just a nobody as that has been proven time and time again.
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@Afrofem…You’re welcome!
“The article you linked to is a study in blame, blame-shifting, CYA and backstabbing by public officials in the glare of the media spotlight.
No sh*t! The mayor — whose head Black protesters had been, and still are yelling for since Philando Castile’s murder — is the epitome of ALL of that! Note in the piece — “She said she has no intention of resigning.” Her hubris is palpable — and expected, particularly when pitted against another woman with whom, according to the piece, she “was frequently at odds.” Not only does racism win out, patriarchy’s alive and well!
“Then there is the utter hypocrisy of the White community mobilized to action only when a fellow White person is murdered by the police…Yet, they were silent when equally innocent Philando Castile was murdered little over a year ago.”
Their hypocrisy was nothing less than I expected, Sis. What surprised me was the speed with which, the universe, agreeing with Mr. James Baldwin said:
“It is instructive to watch the over-the-top reactions of White people in both the US and Australia—–both racist, colonial settler states…Because the victim is the “right color” and suitably “innocent” we get to see the predictions of Black people come to life before our eyes…”
Instructive indeed! Nobody’s said more to me about the racist and colonial iteration of Australia than John Pilger: http://johnpilger.com/search, (cuz of course, Oprah’s Australian Adventure sure as hell didn’t address any of that sh*t in any detail — http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Oprahs-Australian-Adventure-New-South-Wales-Itinerary)!
Sister, whether …”we get to see the predictions of Black people come to life before our eyes…” is sadly, but certainly nothing new. What SHOULD be new, is that WE give enough of a sh*t to not only say, “Enough!” but — standing on the shoulders of folk who endured so much worse — MEAN IT.
P.S. Yep, the related coverage was worth examining!
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Or die tryin, that’s what’s missing, i guess it’s out of fashion.
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@ v8driver
“Or die tryin, that’s what’s missing”
That is a darn good point.
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it’s all about officer safety, plus, my other policy statement political agenda or troll’s axe to grind is they have non-lethal or less than lethal weapons in prison but not in america’s homeland. sheesh
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it’s a little twisted knowning everyone was in the army, everyone is americans, etc.
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@ Deb
“What SHOULD be new, is that WE give enough of a sh*t to not only say, “Enough!” but — standing on the shoulders of folk who endured so much worse — MEAN IT.”
To mean it, we need solid Black leadership. Most potential Black leaders are usually wooed by the power structure and bought off. If they can’t be bought off, they are harrassed, imprisoned or killed outright.
That sequence has been in play for a long time. Black political prisoners from the 1970s on are a testament to what the State is willing to do to committed Black leaders who cannot be bought.
There is an old saying that “when the people are ready, leaders will appear”. One thing that has to be faced is that perhaps, Black people are not ready.
Some still think they can keep their heads down, become models of “acceptable Blackness” and the angel of death will pass them by. I think we are in an era of eliminationist thinking and free-floating cruelty. Things are going to get considerably worse before they get better.
I just hope Black folk don’t wait until it is too late to “mean it” and act on those convictions. Even great leaders can’t save a people from genocide.
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Where is Blue Lives Matter for Mohamed Noor will they support him?
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@blakksage,
Have I done anything to you? I just want to know,because first you said I gave a cowardly opinion and to move on. Then, you called me dense. What is all that about? If you didn’t like my comment, you had two options,explain why or move on. Ahhh, Its ok, I understand who you are now.
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@THHR
Oh Yeah!
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@ v8driver
“if my rider fired a handgun in the car across my face to shoot…”
That little factoid alone makes the cops whole story suspect. The cop on the passenger’s side fires a gun across the face of the cop on the driver’s side to shoot an unknown person who suddenly appears on the driver’s side window.
Plus they are rolling down a dark alley with no headlights or body cameras….hmm.
A lot of things in their story don’t add up.
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@Afrofem…“One thing that has to be faced is that perhaps, Black people are not ready.”
I’d have to agree with you there. After the Walter Scott shooting (when I was still living in Charleston), I had to face that first-hand.
Oh, and after doing a little more reading — I stand corrected that NONE of her male counterparts in the murders of Black folk were asked to step down. Apparently, a whole three of them have been asked to date:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/19/san-francisco-police-chief-ousted-after-latest-fatal-shooting-mayor-says/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.d0498f05d25a
Mary Burrell…“Where is Blue Lives Matter for Mohamed Noor will they support him?”
Hey Lil Sis!! While I’ve seen it happen in the case of a Black cop killing a Black kid in Charleston (Hell, everybody from the mayor on down in that department supported that murderer!), methinks this brother’s gonna do some time — cuz he killed a white woman. Time will tell.
@THHR…So, so on point!!
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@Deb: That’s what i am talking about the script is going to get flipped on this one because the victim is a white woman and with the anti-Muslim bias in America thanks to Orange Monkey 45 the cop is going to prison.
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@Mary Burrell…“the script is going to get flipped on this one because the victim is a white woman and with the anti-Muslim bias in America thanks to Orange Monkey 45 the cop is going to prison.”
Exactly, but with a small caveat that I think is worth contemplating — they’ve backed themselves into a corner with the whole Blue Lives Matter frenzy they’ve whipped up. Now, they gotta sh*t or get off the pot for this, “Blue/Black life.”
Either they sht (not likely), and they piss off their fellow white supremacists — and are exposed as not being real ‘Muricans. Or, they get off the pot (given they’ve served up the Chief of Police, probably will), which will not only confirm every-single-thing we’ve always known about their institutional racism, but also expose the complicity of all those undercover, “liberal Democrat,” pearl-clutchin’, Clintonistas, as well as the respectability-politics-livin’, Changeling apologists. Either way, their “dilemma” leaves them ass-out. But, my lived experience over 60 seasons tells me no matter what they choose to do — they won’t give a sht. They’ll either explain away Option 1 as “necessary” so it doesn’t happen again to cover their asses or, use Option 2 to show they are, in fact, real ‘Muricans, protecting the lives of future, “right color” and suitably “innocent”, pure, white, virtuous women. SMMFH
“Orange Monkey 45” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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I think the fact that Blue Lives Matter hasn’t said much speaks volumes. But the double standard has always been prevalent in Amerikkka. So anyone that studies history should not be too surprised.
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I wouldn’t have guessed that Philando’s mother would have showed up at a Damond memorial event. That said maybe it is good as it directs the focus back to police violence and away from “the Somali”.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4716816/Philando-Castile-s-mother-comforts-Justine-Damond-s-fianc.html#v-5502219274268591815
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I’m still trying to figure out what happened to the “attempted sexual assault victim”. Did that person get away? What about the victim? And why was she in an alley alone at night in her pajamas? What part of town was she living in where a sexual assault happens right outside your window? I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the other policeman wasn’t going to shoot because he saw a white woman. The police who shot couldn’t see her and he first police didn’t say anything. So they killed white woman. If the area was well lit she would have lived. Fact.
The reaction is full racism. Even liberal white people are saying that we shouldn’t point out the racism. White women win both ways. They can use racism for their benefit and they can use sexism to claim victim hood. The cynical side in me wishes the white officer shot her. Then we could see the hierarchy play out.
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@MJBarker,
thanks for the link. Valerie Castile’s act of humanity is exactly why I’ve been quiet in regards to this post. As opposed to gloating in Justine’s unfortunate death, this is the time to show white people the world over that we as Black people are still a just, compassionate and humane people.
Therefore, please do not sink to the demonic behavior or racist reaction of white people when Black men are clearly under assault by quite a few law enforcement agencies and being killed with impunity all across Amerika.
If we as Black people behave as white people do when a Black or Hispanic person is needlessly gun down, well then, that makes us no better than them, but simply black and white demons running a parallel course to destruction.
Thanks Ms. Castile, you did the right!
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^^^you did the right thing!^^^
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@Anne
Very good observation. The news was so flooded with Justine that I forgot to ask about the supposed rape victim.
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See following link,
(http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/25/us/minneapolis-police-shooting-slap/index.html)
Now this is VERY interesting!
The police agent had a actually a reason to shoot!
Do we accept it or not?
Oft we discuss here in this blog cases of Black victims of the police.
For White victims one question one would ask is if there is some discrepancy between the treatment of male and female victims cases (of the Police). And in favor of … (male? female?).
Anyway, those police agents seem to me too much nervous to remain in that kind of work.
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how did a search warrant ‘reveal’ that?
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@ v8driver
Which leads me to believe that it was Noor’s partner who actually shot and killed Ruszczyk. Noor, for whatever reason, is the fall guy. Could be wrong, but it makes you think…..
@ blakksage
No offense, but I personally find this high ground/holier-than-thou bullsh*t tiring. Black Americans are always required to play the straight man to white America’s comic relief, to be the saintly figure in a den of sinners. It seems as if we’ve spent our entire history attempting to appeal to white America’s sense of decency with very little change seen.
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Also just gonna leave this here: http://www.theroot.com/1797265130
Hasan Ali Ibrahim’s simply saying what whites would say about Justine if she happened to be anything other than white. Too bad they lack the self-awareness to realize what’s going on.
And that’s the true gift of White Privilege: the ability to walk around with your head blissfully shoved up your own buttcheeks.
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No idea why my avatar changed like that.
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Nobody thinks twice when the police search the homes of black people but search the home of a white women and it becomes an internatianl incident !!!!
http://kstp.com/news/bca-search-warrant-justine-damond-australia/4552551/?cat=1
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@Mack Lyons: That link is interesting I see what Hasan Ali Ibrahim did. He is doing what whites do to dead black victims who are gunned down by racist cops. And it gets even crazier with the response from the white posters.
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When responding to blakksage, Mack Lyons said: “No offense, but I personally find this high ground/holier-than-thou bullsh*t tiring. Black Americans are always required to play the straight man to white America’s comic relief, to be the saintly figure in a den of sinners. It seems as if we’ve spent our entire history attempting to appeal to white America’s sense of decency with very little change seen.”
This is YOUR truth, not mine! I am not required to tag along with your BS, nor is anyone else. Therefore, I send to you and the rest of your toy soldiers, words of encouragement: gather yourselves, grab your M-16s, claymore mines, grenade launchers and other armaments of war and begin shooting at the people who are considered your enemies. Valerie Castile did the right thing by putting white racists to shame. (LOL, you and people of your ilk aren’t even ORGANIZED to begin with. I see a massacre!)
Even further, it’s not really about Justine and it’s not about being, “holier-than-thou bullsh*t, as you put it. NO, it’s the system! I don’t know Justine and I surmise that you don’t either. However, the system is pushing the race card because that’s what they want in order to implement martial law. The system wants a race war. Don’t you see the hand writing on the wall? Apparently not!
By the way General Mack Lyons, you and your boys better stock up on some MREs (meals ready to eat) because you are going to need it!
Also, you appear to be somewhat ahistorical and therefore, without a reference point that would lead to common sense action that would necessarily guide your behavior. Do some more research!
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@ Mack Lyons
Hasan Ali Ibrahim is a national treasure! Thanks!
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@Abagond : I agree that was clever what Hasan Ali Ibrahim did.
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@ blakksage
The current reign of Cheetolini I highlights white America’s growing immunity to shame.
@ michaeljonbarker
Or following black people back to their homes after harrassing them: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/teen-harassed-mowing-police/
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Someone was trolling beautifully on sky news comments about this story by using the same arguments that are used when a black person is shot by police:
Some gems:
TBH, it seems like another unjustified shooting but this officer, not being white himself and killing a white woman, will likely suffer consequences. However it seems that many white people cannot admit that a shooting might not be justified as long as the victim was black. It’s really sad how white people create an environment that tends to make you indifferent towards them.
[I recall a slogan by Sista Soulja that I saw on youtube: “The hate that hate produced”] I have natural compassion for this woman’s family and the loss they’ve suffered yet in the context of white people’s racial games my instinct is to suppress it. This makes it easier for unjust systems to remain in tact because inter-race consensus on simple moral issues (like police brutality) becomes impossible since many white people are fine with those systems as long as THEY aren’t victimized.
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Mark Lyons post shows how any kind of black entrepreneurship gets questioned. It’s the same Jim Crow.
That pig would never harras a white kid for mowimg lawns but a black kid ? Must be a criminal somwhow.
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“The current reign of Cheetolini I highlights white America’s growing immunity to shame.” – General Mack Lyons
Ok, you and your toy soldiers grab your M-16s and do what you must do. Also, attempt to contact Valerie Castile and inform her how disgusted you are with her, for marching in support of Justine. I’m quite sure she’ll have some colorful words for you in response.
Cheers!
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It’s not everyday that I manage to get under someone’s skin, but I somehow did it with blakksage.
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“It’s not everyday that I manage to get under someone’s skin, but I somehow did it with blakksage.” – General Mack Lyons
Wishful thinking much and don’t flatter yourself! Now, quit deflecting and get back to the topic!
“It seems as if we’ve spent our entire history attempting to appeal to white America’s sense of decency with very little change seen.” – General Mack Lyons
Well, don’t you have toy soldiers ready to go and take action and fight for the “change” you speak of that us Black folks deserve? General Mack, quit fronting because we all know the urban areas in Amerika are full of kneegroes like you who talk sh#t but ain’t going do sh#t! This type of behavior is endemic by people like you who trash talk incessantly, but it all winds down to infantile bravado absent force!
“No offense, but I personally find this high ground/holier-than-thou bullsh*t tiring.” – General Mack Lyons”
LOL, the thing to do here is to refrain from reading my posts. Obviously you find my posts to be of some value because if you didn’t, you would have no knowledge of what I’m posting about. I not only speak on religion, but I also speak on history and psychology as well. Hell, … I’m even capable of speaking in terms of law if I really want to.
What about yourself? Are you able to speak with command on various topics? And if you can, why don’t you put your skills on display sometimes, that’s if you’re capable!
General Mack, you cannot pigeonhole me to one topic, therefore, move on and stock up on some military MREs as I suggested above and below.
Trust me, these will come in handy while pinned down in a foxhole.
Once again, cheers!
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Wow. I really did get under your skin. You’ve been this way towards me since the Betty Jo Shelby blog post.
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@General Mack Lyons,
I had forgotten all about your post. However, I was reading elder Fredercik Douglass’ Fourth of July, 1852 speech. Suddenly, I read a part of his speech that sounded very similar to the words that I posted about a week ago regarding your ill-advised and oppositional, “holier-than-thou bullsh*t,” revolutionary stance in the wake of Justine’s death.
Additionally, I said in other words that it wasn’t a smart thing to do, was for so-called African Americans to mimic the behavior of whites in the aftermath of a clearly wrongful shootings of Black people. And therefore, we as a group shouldn’t resort to a vengeful and demonic behavior through our statements on social media, such as one General Mack Lyons.
Well, here is what Mr. Douglass had to say about our conduct running parallel to a people’s collective behavior that is the equivalent of something only the devil would resort to:
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“If so, there is a parallel to your conduct. And let me warn you that it is dangerous to copy the example of a nation whose crimes, lowering up to heaven, were thrown down by the breath of the Almighty, burying that nation in irrecoverable ruin! I can today take up the plaintive lament of a peeled and woe-smitten people!” – (Frederick Douglass, July 6th, 1852)
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Therefore, please do not sink to the demonic behavior or racist reaction of white people when Black men are clearly under assault by quite a few law enforcement agencies and being killed with impunity all across Amerika.
If we as Black people behave as white people do when a Black or Hispanic person is needlessly gun down, well then, that makes us no better than them, but simply black and white demons running a parallel course to destruction. – (Blakksage July 27th, 2017)
Here, it bears repeating to you: Go and do some more research because it is obvious by now that you’re an ahistorical person. Moreover, it is even clearer by now that you are not General Colin Powell and I’m certainly not Frederick Douglass either!
African American social reformer, orator, writer and statesman
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/douglassjuly4.html
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Mohamed Noor was found guilty of killing the white woman. I knew this would happen because he is Somali and Muslim. Therefore he is being punished. White cops kill black people and suffer no consequences. What’s wrong with this picture?
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Philando Castille was killed in the same state of Minnesota and the cop that killed him on video was acquitted. In the case of Justine Damond no cameras or video. So much wrong with this verdict. There can be no denying this verdict was about the Mohamed Noor’s being Muslim and his ethnicity.
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@ Mary Burrell…“What’s wrong with this picture?”
He was a “Black” man who killed a “white” woman, Sis! Come on now, you know how this sh*t goes!! Like you though, I knew there’d be no “thin Blue Line” closing ranks for him — too bad he didn’t.
It’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out seeing no only is he Somali and Muslim — he’s represented in Congress by the dynamic, Ilhan Omar! I can just hear her attackers sharpening their knives and coming for her on this but — I’m also interested in seeing how she addresses it as well.
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The Blue Lives Matter fraternity did not support Mohamed Noor.
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@ Deb: Yes, i took into consideration Representative Ihan Omar and how she has a bullseye on her back and i too thought about her addressing this.
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Her fiancé stated:
“Ironically, the Minneapolis Police Department emblem on the squad door reads, “To protect with courage and to serve with compassion, Don Damon said.” … But that night there was a tragic lapse of care and complete disregard for the sanctity of life. The evidence in this case clearly shows an egregious failure of the Minnesota Police Department.”
This is how black people express similar sentiments when their loved ones are killed by police only to be told their loved ones are monsters and deserved it.
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@Mary Burrell…Yep, they have to dirty us up — ALWAYS
“But that night there was a tragic lapse of care and complete disregard for the sanctity of life. The evidence in this case clearly shows an egregious failure of the Minnesota Police Department.”
…tragic lapse of care; complete DISREGARD FOR THE SANCTITY OF LIFE; EVIDENCE??? — SMDH. I won’t belabor the comparison to Philando Castille that everybody’s made here. It won’t bring him back, nor will it bring peace to Diamond nor their daughter — and it definitely won’t change the minds of any of those who acquitted his murderer (yes, he was MURDERED, ON VIDEO). All I will say is this husband’s a normal, Australian piece of work (given the treatment of the Aboriginal people, native to his home).
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@Deb: Good point made about the Australian fiancé. His white privilege makes him myopic in regard to his fellow countrymen the Aboriginal people and how they have to fight bigotry and past oppression.
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@Mary Burrell…check out “Utopia,” a film by John Pilger about Indigenous Australia. Puts the fiancé and his privilege into serious perspective.
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@Deb: I don’t know if the husband is Australian.
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If I remember correctly, he is a U.S. citizen and that’s why she was here, not in her home country of Australia.
But if so, that just explains his white privilege even more. He is a white American who never thought the cops would treat him or his loved ones the way the cops treated Philando Castile.
He even testified in court that she called him first when she heard alarming noises, that he told her to call the cops, and that he felt secure and relieved thinking she would be safe because the cops would soon be on the scene.
I also think it’s fair to say that her own Australian upbringing gave her a white lens through which to view the police. I know part of it is the Australian cops are not as gun-happy and trigger-ready as ours, but I also know their cops treat the indigenous Australians badly compared to whites.
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@Mary Burrell & Solitaire…My mistake, he is, in fact an American citizen.
However Solitaire, you make a good point: “…that just explains his white privilege even more. He is a white American who never thought the cops would treat him or his loved ones the way the cops treated Philando Castile.
He even testified in court that she called him first when she heard alarming noises, that he told her to call the cops, and that he felt secure and relieved thinking she would be safe because the cops would soon be on the scene.”
Also agree with your take on the wife’s “white lens” given her Australian upbringing.
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@ Deb & Solitaire: We are on the same page about them both being myopic and blind to their privilege. I just made a mistake thinking he was Australian like his wife. But both lived in a bubble and never considered what people in black skin have to endure from law enforcement just trying to go about their everyday lives.
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@ Deb
@ Mary Burrell
It’s a reasonable assumption to guess that he was also Australian like her, not a huge mistake. I have never gotten entirely clear on her marital status. She appears to have already been using his last name but their wedding date was a month away. Possibly they had already had a courtroom marriage either here or in Australia, but I’ve never seen proof. If she had not been white, the media would’ve been all over that as her illegally taking his name.
I’ve never gotten clear on her immigration status, either. I don’t know if she was here legally or if she’d overstayed her visa. If she had not been white, the media would’ve been all over that. Fox News would have said she was a dishonest manipulative gold-digger trying to get U.S. citizenship through roping some poor schmuck into matrimony.
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http://www.startribune.com/atrium-below-noor-s-courtroom-bustling-as-onlookers-learn-of-verdict/509290832/
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@Solitaire…“Every police officer who kills an unarmed human being should be accountable,” he said, including Noor. But he was concerned that “they let white cops who kill unarmed black men go” while convicting Noor, he said. “There should be justice for all victims.”
‘Nuf said, Mr. Abdi, ‘nuf said…
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https://start.att.net/news/read/article/the_associated_press-deliberations_to_resume_in_case_of_officer_who_kil-ap/category/news
“Besides the tragic circumstances of the shooting, the case carried elements of race and immigration. Damond, 40, was white; Noor, 33, is among the many Somali immigrants who settled in Minnesota after coming to America due to civil war in his home country. His hiring was celebrated by city leaders eager to diversify the police force in a city rich in immigrants; after he was charged, he was fired.”
Family, seems the hierarchy loved him til he shot a white woman — while he allegedly thought he was saving his white partner’s life. White partner, on the other hand said, “I wouldn’t have shot her.” {SMMFH}
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I feel sorry for Noor he actually believed his law enforcement community would have his back. Bless his heart.
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I did a post on Noor:
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@ Solitaire
My understanding is that she was going by her about-to-be married name professionally (as a yoga instructor) to avoid confusion since she was new to the country and was soon going to be married.
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@ Abagond
Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense.
I’m just saying, if she hadn’t been a white immigrant, it wouldn’t have mattered how logical her use of his name was or what reasons she had. Fox News would have made all sorts of insinuations to smear her character.
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@Mary Burell…”<Bless his heart.”
You just touched my Black, southern-girl roots with that one!🤣
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@Mary Burrell…Here’s what my sister had to say about Noor’s conviction:
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/05/01/in-wake-of-mohamed-noor-verdict-ilhan-omar-calls-for-same-accountability-justice-in-all-police-shootings/
It feels so-o-o-o wonderful to say, “I expected nothing less of her.” Minnesotans SHOULD be proud!
From the piece: “John Thompson, an activist and friend of Philando Castile, a black man who died in a 2016 police shooting in Falcon Heights, told The Associated Press that “Officer Noor was going to jail no matter what because he’s a black man who shot a white woman.”
So damned frustrating that WE all know this, yet it never changes.
On a lighter note and since Philando Castille was mentioned above, here’s some beautiful Black love from his mom:
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/04/25/philando-castile-valerie-castile-student-lunch-debt-robbinsdale-cooper-high-school-minnesota/ 😢😢
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https://start.att.net/news/read/category/us%20news/article/the_associated_press-minneapolis_to_pay_20m_to_family_of_911_caller_sla-ap
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