Ray Rice (1987- ), an American football player, was a running back for the Baltimore Ravens. Now he is best known for what he calls the worst 30 seconds of his life: when he hit Janay Palmer, his then-fiancee (now wife) and knocked her out. He had a clean image till then. TMZ, an Internet scandal sheet, posted video of it earlier this week. It has been all over the news in the US.
Timeline:
- 1987: Born in New Rochelle, New York, just north of New York City.
- 1988: His father is killed by mistake in a drive-by shooting.
- 2003: Leads his high school football team to a state title.
- 2005: Plays for Rutgers University. Meets Janay Palmer.
- 2008: Plays for the Baltimore Ravens.
- 2010: Proposes to Palmer.
- 2012: Signs a five-year, $35 million contract with the Ravens. Janay Palmer gives birth to his daughter, Rayven.
- 2013: Ravens win the Super Bowl championship.
- 2014:
- February: Revel Casino, Atlantic City, New Jersey: He and Palmer are arrested for assault. Security camera video is made public which shows them entering an elevator arguing and then, a bit later, it shows Rice dragging Palmer’s unconscious body out of the elevator. Not shown: the part inside the elevator when he presumably knocked her out cold.
- March: Rice is indicted for assault. He could have been sent to prison for three to five years. Instead of pressing charges, Palmer – marries him!
- April: Police send video of what went on in the elevator to the National Football League (NFL).
- July: The NFL punishes Rice with a two-game suspension. Compare: A month later they suspend Josh Gordon for a year – for smoking marijuana.
- September: TMZ posts the video of what went on in the elevator. Rice did, in fact, knock her out. The Ravens kick him off the team, the NFL kicks him out of the league for life. Janay Rice stands by her husband, blaming the media for making her life a living nightmare. The NFL lies about not having seen the elevator video before TMZ posted it.
This is not a case of anger management: Sure, she was hitting him, yelling at him, even spat in his face, but after knocking her out he seems – strangely unconcerned.
The NFL kicked Rice out of the league not for beating up his wife but for making them look bad. After all, they saw the full video months ago.
Fox News compared it to Jay-Z and Solange and to Chris Brown and Rihanna, like it was a Black thing. And then they made a joke about it, like it was something to laugh about.
Domestic violence: Half of NFL players arrested for a violent crime are arrested for domestic violence. But it goes way beyond the NFL or Black people: a fourth of all American women experience domestic violence.
“Why doesn’t she leave?” Leaving is not as easy as it looks. On average it takes seven tries. Many abusive men threaten to kill their wife or girlfriend if they leave – and, all too often, make good on that threat.
See also:
- #WhyIStayed – a Twitter hashtag that grew out of this story. Women on Twitter say why they did not leave their violent husbands.
- domestic violence
- Exceptional Negroes
Not much to say at this point other than what I saw in the video leaves him very little as in terms of excuses or explanations. At this point my opinion is that he is an asshole and a monster…You never, ever punch a women like that and if your capable of grabbing her by her feet and dragging her by her face I doubt there is anything you wouldn’t do in terms of violating another human being…I am sickened by this video and by yet another ego inflated athlete….no punishment would be fitting enough in my eyes.
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I am not only sickened by that knock out punch he delivered to this woman, I am sickened by her attitude also. As if it’s a-ok to be used as a punch bag. She seems to be more concerned for the money she will be losing in the deal.
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Alright, so I will begin by saying that it’s not OK to punch women, generally. I won’t say ever, because there are situations where self-defense is necessary.
RR’s punch doesn’t really qualify as necessary self-defense. However, Janay had spat on him and was rushing at him. It was a defensive blow, generally speaking (look at the position of his body). It wouldn’t have floored her if she hadn’t been literally running into it.
RR’s reaction after his gf got knocked out was pretty disgusting. However, he had to be very upset and he may have been pretty drunk.
So, yeah, he did a bad thing, but banning him from his job for life because of one bad decision that didn’t result in any permanent harm to anyone doesn’t seem fair. This decision certainly doesn’t help Janay or her daughter.
As for why many women stick with violent men, let’s not give women a pass on this one. We blame men for chasing terrible women just because they are hot. The fact is that a strong, violent guy can be very attractive to many women on some level. This is why serial killers get love letters when they are in prison. This is why OJ could get hot blondes even after he had murdered one.
Let’s not pretend this dynamic is all men’s fault. That is treating women like they have no volition and are somehow less than responsible adults. Also, there is a lot of evidence that women are more likely to hit their husbands than vice versa. Yeah, it normally doesn’t do as much damage, but saying a man should just sit there and take it is pretty sexist–and a man who just takes hits from his wife will lose any respect she has left for him (watch out Jay-Z). If a woman is attacking a man and he fights back, I don’t think that is comparable at all to a man striking first. Too often feminists will conflate these situations.
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I am sure that RR has been struck a whole lot harder while playing on the field.Striking any kind of blow at someone (especially a supposed LOVED one) who doesn’t carry the same muscle capacity is a serious flaw. Then he drags her out like a duffel bag instead of picking her up and looking after her, if he was seriously sorry about what happened. Pretty drunk is no excuse and he didn’t appear to be staggering.
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Kiwi = beta white knight
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@biff: You are more disgusting than i thought.
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Commenter Dorisjean23 said it all the best. I think they are both messed up. I don’t know why women chose to stay in this violent relationships but i do feel the media is making an example of him. Any man who abuses a woman whatever color he is is disgusting. I don’t know why this woman is staying in this relationship, is it for the money?
Well he no longer has a job will she still stay married to him? Is this the first time he hit her? I hate to play armchair psychologist but isn’t this kind of textbook battered wife syndrome? It seems the abused always sides with her abuser. This is something only trained professionals can determine. With all that being said, i can only say this is a disgusting media circus and i feel the NFL is hypocritical as well.
This is all a H.A.M. a hot a$$ mess. I hope for the sake of their young child the Rice’s can get help for their issues.
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*choose* ^^^
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dorisjean23,Mary Burrell:
“She seems to be more concerned for the money she will be losing in the deal.”
“I don’t know why this woman is staying in this relationship, is it for the money?”
I’ve noticed that the majority of the time, women are the first to come to this conclusion about other women, when they get struck by a man and doesn’t leave him.
This is a very hypocritical statement, because if a man says it, he’s accused of being a sexist pig by viewing all women as, “gold diggers”. Yet, most women will judge other women in this very same way and not one person will bat an eye lash.
I feel these statements are negative stereotypes about women, married to rich men but it is false, being that ordinary, everyday women that are not in relationships with men that are not rich or even poor, will not leave their men, immediately when being in a abusive relationship.
Its a double standard that says, I, as a woman can judge other women as money hungry, gold diggers but you can’t as a man.
I would bet that both of you would be up in arms if a man would charge, that all women that are married or in relationships with men with money were gold diggers.
Its nothing personal against you both, i just felt a need to call you both out on an obvious double standard.
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There’s no excuse for hitting a woman, unless you feel your life is in danger, then all bets are off. From what I saw on the video, it sure didn’t appear his life was on the line but he still chose to knock her out.. Some talk about her being a gold digger (I’m not sure what difference this makes even if it were true) or that she spit on him, as somehow being justification for physical abuse. Some even say she gets what she deserves for staying with him. For some strange reason people love to attack the victims in these cases. It was bad enough that he knocked his wife out cold, but to see the manner in which he treated her unconscious body was reprehensible.
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Have you ever heard the words, “Real men don’t hit women?” Well real men don’t make excuses for men who hit women either. If you excuse evil you have indeed become a part of that evil. I have been slapped five times in a row as hard as you can possibly be slapped by my girlfriend and if it were a man I would have busted in his teeth, I didn’t lift a finger, WHY? because my father is a man and as a very very small child I can remember my father teaching me that girls are different from boys and you never ever hit them. I suppose what he meant by different was their physical make up is softer, less muscular and more feminine but putting it this way would have flew over my head. No one denies that there are variables to every dispute between spouses; maybe she is a gold digger, what does that have to do with anything but dilute the act itself. Maybe she did spit on him, stop the presses and get the Nukes ready someone got spat on. Leave it to the conservatives to demonize the victim….Like others have said; unless your life is being threatened or you are literally getting the crap beaten out of you and you may be a smaller man then nothing you can argue would justify knocking out a women, the dragging part is not even debatable.
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I am going to regret saying this but biff has a point.
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To expand on that. I don’t agree with or believe hitting women is ok. In his case he could have frankly walked away or at the very least not delivered a knock out, but on the other hand she should not have been hitting him either. Both should be charged with domestic violence.
I had an aunt who would hit on her boyfriend. He would never hit her and always walk away. She took that as a sign to hit him more. She was aggressive and relied on the idea that if he hit her her brothers would come to her rescue. This went on for years until finally he hit her. That went on for a month before he realized it was unhealthy and just left.
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IT STOPS WITH ME
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Maybe Ray Rice can salvage it somewhat with a music career but I think he’ll be a one hit wonder.
Jokes aside
The media is having a field day with this incident.
The day this happened the NFL suspended Rice indefinitely and the Ravens terminated his contract,:
Janay Rice says she loves him and is standing by his side. What is interesting however is how little the media surrounding this event consider Janay’s own thoughts and desires
Janay may have realized she just lost her meal ticket and is willing to do whatever it takes to try and salvage it. It’s in a woman’s nature. Few principles have changed since hunter/gatherer society.
Or she has a variation of Stockholm Syndrome, who knows. But a decent argument can be made that she just simply loves Ray, despite his abusive actions.
Women have thrown themselves at serial killers. We all know how girls always go for “bad boys.”
But I do not advocate or condone what Ray Rice did to his now wife.
I won’t go so far as to say there is never a reason to hit a woman, because I can find plenty of reasons, but based on this video in a vacuum this was not one of those cases.
Ray is an NFL running back putting him in the top one-tenth percent of strength and power in the world that comes with responsibility, that hook would have had Floyd Mayweather reeling and even after he knocks her out he shows no remorse or care.
He handled it poorly.
Jay Z was in the same exact situation and handled it much better.
Another thing and I don’t mean to lower the tone Abagonds blog but
WOMEN LIKE IT ROUGH
Speak with any of your buddies that have success with women and they will all say the same thing. Women love to be thrown around, choked, spanked, and overall completely dominated in the bedroom.
Now if you want to do the, Clark Kent nice guy thing then there is NO WAY you could attract women like Janay Rice and millions of women like her.
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@Mary
They stay because it is security. My mom stayed with my dad for that very reason. Plus because of my mother’s religious stance she felt she should stay and work it out. It took years for her to leave and it really was because she was tired of his cheating and she was tired of cheating for payback.
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It’s strange, a movie coming out call No Good Deeds
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@thehiphoprecords
“Women love to be thrown around, choked, spanked, and overall completely dominated in the bedroom.”—-There is a time and place for everything. Lol
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Biff
I suggest you research the term “battered wife syndrome” It’s more or less a modified version of Stockholm syndrome. The victim tries to only think of the abuser when they were “good” and end up blaming themselves & forgiving their abuser over & over. This could easily be the reason Janay married Ray immediately after the incident & keeps defending him, not just because of money.
If you’re saying domestic violence against men isn’t taken as serious as it should I would agree with you. But take a close look at the video, it doesn’t even come close to being in that territory. Yes she lightly slapped him a few times on his body, not his face then she charged at him AFTER he struck her the 1st time. If it were more like the Solange/Jay-Z incident & he simply restrained her as she attacked for no reason then yes he would have been the victim in my eyes but the tape doesn’t lie. Please don’t be disrespectful just for the sake of being contrarian.
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Rice’s behaviour after she is knocked out certainly makes him a douchebag. But I think he shouldn’t face charges. I understand that I’m from a different legal culture and I don’t know the self-defence laws of that area, but to defend yourself with a punch agains slaps isn’t out of the bounds of reason.
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Rice’s action was wrong. It was way out of line. I thought two games was a light suspension. That said, nobody outside of their relationship with the possible exception of very close friends or family knows if this was a horrible aberration, an ominous sign of things to come or par for the course. In any event at this point the larger public, who don’t know Mrs. Rice, can’t judge her for her decision to stay.
The larger issue is that EVERYONE (men and women) should be taught a “no-hands” rule. It’s not logical or useful to say that a man should never hit a woman. Everyone has the right to defend themselves. Even men.
Both of the Rices were charged with assault but Mrs. Rice’s charges were dropped. As a first time offender Mr. Rice was allowed to enter into a diversion program.
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The law was broken by all ,women and men use violence against each other to show who’s in control there are no excuses ,the law should apply to all .
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@hiphoprecords some women like it like that, but you are just furthering deep psychological trauma if you play it that way and generally speaking stomping on an already broken toy. Seek help.
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I’m definitely with Whoopi on women hitting men, but this incident was just bad, man. It wasn’t just the punch but also the way he treated her when she was out. Janay can do and feel whatever she wants but just she’s gonna have to understand just because she thinks it’s okay doesn’t mean the rest of the world has to.
Respectfully, I think it’s digusting how many guys here, many who are always complaining about being generalised because of their skin are quick to throw out pathetic generalisations about how women do this, they like this, feminists, blah, blah, blah, as though women are a monolith, as though a woman or a few women should be expected to speak for the entire race of women. Swap those things you said with race and you’d loose your minds. “Excuse me, how could you say that, the entire race of Black people say . . .. this or that Black movement had this ideology you’re contradicting . . .. so you’re a hypocrite.” “Black people like gangbanging, robbing, cursing, so they create the environments they complain about and blame on White supremacy. Nothing has changed since the days of tribal warfare, their instincts are for chaos.” (Eye rolls).
I agree with Abagond, the nfl are being hypocrites. Unfortunately for Rice, he’s being made an example of. They should set consequences for players and domestic violence and stick to it. Lastly, Janay spoke of being very thankful for “support” before it affected Rice’s job, it wasn’t until after that that she lashed out, so naturally that will cause people to assume her upset is about the money, she didn’t change her tune until then.
Biff is right, Kiwi, Abagond and Biff have disproved stereotypes in one swoop. Switch the White knight saying for the Black and yellow knight.
With that said, if I was a man I don’t know if I would stand for a woman spitting on me, that’s horrible. I think I’d try to get away first and call out for help for assistants and for the sake of a witness, if that fails then I’d try to restrain her and calm her down, if that didn’t work I’d push her to shock her into remembering my size, if that failed I’d give her a good smack, if that didn’t work I may have to defend myself.
Fox news showed their true colors by laughing about it. They don’t care about the morality of it, they’re just gloating because they’re rich Black people with trouble. Bill O’ once stated someone should slap Hillary Clinton because she said something he didn’t like, I’ve never heard him say that about male politicians, they’re faux good old fashioned values preachers, they’re just bullies for the Republican party with air time.
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but she’s gonna have to
you’d lose your minds
blame it on White supremacy
for assistance
I agree @v8
To add to that, women who do speak about “liking it rough” are normally referring to wanting someone confident, or talking about it in the context of the bedroom, not talking about the joys of being punched in the face and having their unconscious bodies dragged about.
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Times change. This was a long time ago but I doubt he’s changed his mind.
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sondis,
“This is a very hypocritical statement, because if a man says it, he’s accused of being a sexist pig by viewing all women as, “gold diggers”. Yet, most women will judge other women in this very same way and not one person will bat an eye lash.”
Very true. Sexism is a societal problem not a man problem.
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I have a few small thoughts here.
First of all, punishment has to be finite. Just because the idea of men hitting women can never be condoned, that does not mean that when one man hits one woman, that man must be forever on the rack over it.
Secondly, reason has to be allowed to prevail. That means that you look at the situation, yes. But you it analyze using the processes of language primarily. That means that you put the images aside and contemplate instead the events.
Thirdly, weren’t the people involved intoxicated? Isn’t the idea of people going out and getting blitzed out their minds an issue to be addressed too. That’s something that cuts across every line in our society. If anything, that third is biggest issue.
Fourthly, who gives someone else the authority to order the rest of us to deal with our sins, errors, mistakes and misdeeds in some particular way. The basic model of Western culture anyway is atonement, not remorse. Atonement means, when you have done wrong, you admit that you have done wrong, and promise to do better. And then do it.
I don’t know how African culture deals with this issue. Africa is a big place, and I’m sure you could find there different traditional culture and societies which dealt this issue in different ways. But it wouldn’t surprise me if the African cultural response to the issue ran to a theme and emphasized the idea of atonement rather than remorse. Black men in America have been influenced by Western culture, but have to have been influenced by the residue of African culture too. I don’t think the idea of blubbery remorse is any more suited to black men than it is to white men.
Who’s running this show anyway, and why are people afraid not only to speak out in favor of reason but to even so much as use their reason?
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slightly off topic, but isn’t is fascinating how extremely rich those young man who do professional sports are? those men in their twenties are richer than a senior Goldman Sachs manager. And at the same time they to not waste their lives in the office but do what everybody does in free time as a full time job. They are healthy, very strong, attractive, very famous and have very good reputation (expect they do something like hitting their girlfriend). As it comes the different human races have on average different physical abilities, and people with subsaharan african ancestry are in almost every sport better than people with east asian ancestry, and slightly better than people with european ancestry in most sports, especially in those which are very popular in the western world: Soccer, Basketball, Football. So for example African American men re much more often in this great position of being a sport star. Talking about inequalities…
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Women should never be hit under any circumstances! Who invented that rule? Children are much more vulnerable than women but nobody gives them the green light to spit, curse and attack adults. Why should women get a pass for getting violent? If your wife is beating the crap out of your kid would you just stand there and let her do as she pleases because the gods or goddesses of political correctness decreed that for women action and consequence should be decoupled? I don’t see how any hard and fast rules can be established from what we saw in the video. It’s generally not right to hit women and it’s never right to drag her on the floor the way he did. He was fined and suspended, that should have been the end of it. By depriving him of his livelihood his family is being punished. His wife and daughter are being abused by America’s hypocritical orgy of self-righteousness. The comments about Janay being a ‘gold digger’ tells me that our moralists are more interested in salving their egos that they are about domestic violence.
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Blah blah eff that about black and white. I put vickis head through a window blacked out. Ppl gonna talk ish and you owe it to you woman to maintain, oh i aint gotta driv we in the casino not. It is my primary concern in general to no be like that f what you heard cuz you on some blog please
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Abagond, can you please indicate the date of they were married?
Your timeline could possibly mislead people into assuming they were married when he proposed in 2010 which is incorrect.
Thank you.
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@ thwack
What are you talking about? The timeline states they married in March 2014.
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Hopefully Rice will eventually be given room for redemption.
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First, I’ll just say it, TheHipHopRecords, you are cutting and pasting unattributed text from Return of Kings:
For instance, google “I won’t go so far as to say there is never a reason to hit a woman, because I can find plenty of reasons, but based on this video in a vacuum this was not one of those cases. ”
That said, it was a great article.
A, you’re accusing me of being “disrespectful just for the sake of being contrarian”? No, I just have a different viewpoint, even though I also grew up with the same brainwashing as you.
Is it battered wife syndrome when women write love letters to covicted murderers or like bad boys, guys who seem a bit dangerous? This “battered wife syndrome” is something used to explain observed female behavior obviously.
What if some men habitually chase girls only because they are sexy, even though they are terrible people? Can they get a pass for having a syndrome? How about “booty chaser syndrome”?
I don’t know the exact situation with Janay obviously, but she’s an adult who can make her own life choices. We haven’t seen any evidence that RR has been repeatedly abusive. I don’t condone his behavior in this case at all, but I think the media is unfairly making an example of him to spread feminist propaganda.
For the record, I’ve never hit a woman (other than light, playful back and forth–in theory a slap on the bum could qualify as “hitting”). I’m just saying that there could conceivably be situations where it is merited (e.g., repeatedly getting hit full force by a woman–though restraining/take down is probably preferable, and a closed fist full force punch would probably almost never be necessary). Women are not all perfect little angels.
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Well all I know is if he wanted to keep his job he should have shot an unarmed teenager.
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@Biff
That doesn’t make any sense. Stockholm syndrome in the context of abused partners is applied to a singular relationship where the abused party won’t leave, it’s not used in the context of an individual who specifically and repeatedly seeks out abusive partners. Also, Stockholm syndrome is inclusive of women and men in the case of abusive relationships.
You’ve taken ideas of nurtured mate selection criteria for the s-xes . . ..
Men
Lengthy, thick, glossy hair/bright whites of the eyes, clear skin= indication of health for healthy pregnancies
Hip to waist ratio= greater estrogen production for a greater chance of impregnation
Larger breasts= breastfeeding the males offspring
Being physically attractive= for better looking offspring for the social advantage of the offspring
Women
Clear skin, bright Whites of the eyes= health for a healthier seed
Height/broad shoulders= greater testosterone production, etc
Resources/money= for the economic advantage of the child, blah, blah, blah . . ..
and you’ve somehow tied that into Stockholm syndrome in the context of abusive relationships. You’ve cut and pasted two very different things there. Stockholm syndrome >>> Booty chasing/beauty chasing???? What an unusual correlation.
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Kiwi:
Nothing I said was inconsistent, but you seem intent on labeling me as a wife beater or something.
Ebonymonroe:
You left one out.
women:
strong, dominant, potentially violent man = higher fitness offspring
Whether that actually makes sense now when people do desk jobs I don’t know, but maybe hundreds and thousands of years ago it did. A weak guy couldn’t take care of you and his kids couldn’t take care of you or themselves either. (and no, men are not to strong, dominant women.)
Unfortunately, this is how women are programmed. Don’t listen to what women say (they don’t even know what they want). Watch what they do. Who are the guys they lust over?.. not nice beta guys.
If you watch the way she rushed at him, it’s pretty clear Janay wasn’t suffering from stockholm syndrome in the video at the time…
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He married her so that she could not be compelled to testify against him. Who knows. She’s probably wanted to marry the guy for years and now he marries her because it helped him to look like a family man, but it can also keep her from being compelled to testify against him depending on the laws of his state. She may be down with that, too.
I don’t think she’s a gold digger. She’s been with the guy for years. I think she really loves him and is trying to protect his career. Does anyone REALLY think casting them back into poverty is going to help this situation? What about their child? What kind of life will she have now? Does anyone care about that?
The best thing would be for them to either stay together and sincerely make efforts to make changes in their relationship in order to make a real try at married life or for them to part amicably and do what is best for their child while co-parenting. I don’t think punishing him to the point of utter, abject poverty is the best thing to do. It doesn’t help ANYTHING, especially that poor little girl.
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@ thwack
What are you talking about? The timeline states they married in March 2014.
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oops, sorry, my bad.
There is an important lesson for all black people in this event; do you see how easily white people can take things away from you?
As long as you base your relationships with other black people on materials, ownership and worldly possessions… you guys will be knocking each other out in elevators, grocery stores, parking lots…
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i dont think yous know what a blackout is, talking about stumbling. it is not medically considered psychozophrenia but it basically is your alter ego/evil twin.
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kinda like the white guy gets the black girl hair talk you as an alcoholic and i’m speaking about myself here have to give the what is a blackout speech like how you wind up in handcuffs in the hospital with blood all over
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this white girl insisted on us goin to a bar back in about 09 omg i actually woke up from a blackout with my eyes open it was like impossible to explain
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@Biff
Perhaps you should look into how Stockholm syndrome is defined in abusive relationships because you’re using it in the wrong context again. Stockholm syndrome would occur after the abuse where the abused party blames his or herself for the violence. Whether or not one believes Rice should have punched her full force and dragged her unconscious body the way he did, ultimately, determines if one would define the incident as male on female abuse and to what degree.
Secondly, seeking out leadership qualities, physical health, strength, and an athletically gifted mate to protect mother and child, does not equate with an abuser. If you want to argue with nature about how gender programming should be done away with you’re perfectly welcome to, but be careful, you’re sure to go into feminist territory there.
It’s impossible exchanging with someone who holds racist and/or s-xist views, you can’t have a sound debate when one takes up positions such as, “this ethnicity does this,” or “this gender does that.” I’ve observed that you tend to do that. It’s not possible to have a consistently intelligent conversation about anything when one is converted to confirmation bias as though it were their religion.
Many, many people claim they’ve had alien encounters, I don’t believe in aliens, but there would be no point in engagement with an individual who’s taken that position from the vast reports of such experiences.
There’s no where to go from there.
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i have some deep abstruse treatise unwritten of course regarding father martin and general anesthesia but that’s not important to this particular thing. and no the blood wasn’t from vicki she was uninjured but i’m not sayin i didnt deserver to do 3 months in the county over it
the blood was probably some dude i had fight bight from 2 teeth and got a bunch of tickets from that one too i was in a bad fight i have no idea what happened but i did get knocked out the cops were like you didn’t get robbed? you have $80 on you and your wallet but i lost my laptop
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just to get back to them big blue signs i asked i didn’t call vicki the n word, that’s the one that died on me heart attack
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No one is getting is a ploy by the TMZ owned by Fox News and racist Warren Buffet to smear blackmales are violent abusers. This all plays into why so many people view blackmales shot down in cold blood unarmed by policemen as deserving and justified. Stop this bashing Ray Rice because this is bigger than Ray Rice or Chris Brown or O.J, the media is targeting blackmales with all sorts of violent stereotypes. No one sees how banning Ray Rice for life is the same and taking away his life? I mean that literally ends this man’s destined path because of a fight between him and his wife is on tape and sold to sleaze bag racists media.
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this white male is a straight nut blacked out anyone is
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i know someone didnt just say thwack
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it came up this morning too irl
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lol i have the abagond speech too do you know what a blog is omg god forbid i eff it up some type of way
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@Sharinalr
Any man knows what you are risking by attacking a stronger dude, but apparently women do not.
Why ?
Females know JOHN LAW is on their side.
But some men will get so fed up that even though a jail cell may await him, she has now taken it to the wire and he will not hesitate to react.
And he’ll gladly tell the judge “It was worth it, your honor”.
In Jujitsu, we have soft hand techniques such as joint locks, which are extremely painful and very effective. These can be used as an effective way to stop a physically abusive woman’s attack, with no/little residual damage.
Since it is a defensive technique and no overt physical moves (like punches), law enforcement would have a very difficult time proving any type of violence occurred.
But Rice loses his job over this, even though Janay marries him two weeks after the incident. If she got over it who the hell is the NFL to suspend a guy ?
Now Adrian Peterson is out for spanking his kid. All this crying over concussions. I remember when the NFL was a man’s sport.
The Ray Rice thing has completely gone thermal nuclear. Watching the media, you’d think this guy had a hand in the Holocaust and maybe the Trail of Tears.
It’s unbelievable.
Beam me up Scotty. My favourite sport has been infiltrated.
I don’t think I can survive another breast-cancer awareness month and the pink towels one more time.
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@hiphoprecords some women like it like that, but you are just furthering deep psychological trauma if you play it that way and generally speaking stomping on an already broken toy. Seek help.
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Women love to be dominated. It’s in their biology. Women love to be told what to do. They love it when you make plans. They hate to choose themselves. A girl will do whatever you tell her to if she has enough emotional investment in you.
Most men have no problem being dominant in bedroom (because they have to be to get to sex), but shoot themselves in the foot by not being authoritative/dominant outside the bedroom where it really matters.
Ray Rice can have a terrible sexual performance and Janay will still lust after him, if he can work up her emotions by being dominant/ masculine outside the bedroom in their everyday relationship.
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I haven’t watch the video but I hate how some people are justifying it by saying she hit him first. Just because she is defending him doesn’t mean he was in the right or she’s a gold digger. A lot of women claim to love their abusers. Ignoring the racists, some black men have used this (and the Solange incident) to justify their anti-black misogyny.
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Punching women is okay if they simply won’t stop coming at you, have a knife, gun or are crazy on bath salts or something.
Punching people in general for spitting on you isn’t exactly appropriate once you get out of grade school.
As for punishing him into the poor house…..far as I know the guy is already well off and not knowing anything about his contract. How much of the $35 mill does he already have and despite not getting to play does that mean he still won’t get paid?
Point being; the guy aint going to the poor house and from an economic perspective might not be all that worse off, especially if he gets the money without having to worry about his knees getting messed up or concussions.
That said; Rice looked pretty casual about cold cocking his women and then dragging her around like a bag of potatoes or something.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t a first time incident.
We also don’t know why Palmer decided to marry him.
Stockholm syndrome, money or maybe he threatened her in some way if she didn’t.
And TheHipHopRecords has a point; a lot of women are attracted to violent dominant men.
You can see it in movies; like Heath Ledgers-Joker and Loki from Thor/Avengers.
Some women like serial killers, some like thugs, some like cowboys and some like corporate raiders but the basic idea remains the same.
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Thinking about the marriage angle; the guy knocked her out and supposed cheated on her with Teyana Taylor.
If she’s smart she’ll take him for all his money.
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V-4
That is one way to look at it, but does money really solve the problem here? She could get money and get another man who regularly punches her face in. She would first have to be wise enough to work on herself. I don’t think she is.
I would say press charges, but in this case I would just say get away from him first. I see him as isolating her until she can’t leave.
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This reeks of sexual regression being projected onto women.
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I thought Satanforce had already cleared this up back on the Elliot Rodger thread, or maybe i was just dreaming.
Either way, the danger of said logic is that what happens in the movies is fiction–in real life, who a woman chooses is much much more complex than a scripted plot.
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I’m not talking about the plots of the movies but how women in real life reacted to the characters, their attraction for Joker/Loki.
Though interesting thing about domination in the bedroom supposedly powerful people in real life, politics, corporate, military etc…..have a tendency for being dominated in the bedroom and vice-a-versa.
I have no idea if its true but its one of those things you hear from time to time.
As for the Elliot Roger thread; I’ll have to go check it out again to see Satanforce said.
But there is some trouble to the statement women like their men mean……certainly far more than they like them to be meak or weak.
That being said; its certainly easier to be attracted to someone and date them occasionally than it is to have a real relationship and live with them where you have to feel the full affect of their personality flaws.
Essentially a lot of women are willing to be with abusive men if they think it will profit them to do so; that it won’t be turned on them.
And then eventually the screw turns and they act surprised like they didn’t know exactly what kind of person that guy was from the start. They did, they just didn’t care as long as it only affected other people.
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I was thinking the same thing v-4 said. In What world is the guy gonna end up poor?
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I believe many women who have a history of dating abusive men subconsciously see the abuse as affection. Many grew up with abusive fathers, perhaps even mothers, whether verbal or physical. My Mom dated abusive men after her and my father divorced and she was a victim of abuse from her father growing up. Her second husband physically beat her for over 5 years and even at a very young age I asked myself and her why. She always said she loved him, even when my brother and I wouldn’t come home she almost stayed with him but she found the strength and left. Her next husband was void of emotion, racist and verbally abusive in spurts and her third husband was very verbally abusive for many years until she eventually turned the tables and now I feel sorry for him and the way she tears him down….It’s a very dysfunctional family let me tell you but we love each other. Anyway back on point; my Mom must equate abuse, yelling, anger and so on as love since her entire family communicated by yelling at each other. While growing up if your family members, who we know as the only people on Earth that love us unconditionally, are always yelling at you, beating you and in some cases abusing you sexually, it is not hard to see how some people could misidentify these emotions as love, even unconditional love given the company her boyfriend share these abuses with.
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@Jadapoo1, “cast them back into poverty”, “utter object poverty”, “What kind of life will she have now”. You mean if he was to get a normal 9-5 job like most working class folks? Is that the poverty level you were referring to. I betcha it would be news to many working class that they’re now considered to be living in poverty. Well maybe considering the drop in pay from millions, he might just think they were in poverty. He should have invested his money a little wiser for the future. Or maybe, just maybe, he could have made a wiser decision in that elevator. But I guess they hired him for his body not his brain.
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Usually men who are on this logic really desire for themselves to be seen as the “bad boy” and crave mass appeal.
Otherwise, there are plenty of single, super cute, interesting and fun women whom “nice guys” can make a solid and firm and lasting connection with, but they would rather “compete” with other men for women (neurotic, insecure, shallow women) they don’t really want. And, when these type of women reject them, they claim “oh bad boys have all the luck” when in reality, people get with people based off mutual values. You gravitate towards people who are similar to you more often than not.
So when i hear this “nice guy” narrative, I immediately think that “nice guys” are really “bad boys” that just do not have the social confidence to dress like and outwardly be Joker.
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@hiphoprecords idk dude what to say
else once you have given the i am a alcoholic speech it will probably be pointed out by a woman that gives a ish anyway if you smell like alchohol, so be prepared, aint that a … mm mm mm
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A womans agency is to use her sexuality and child bearing capacity to get a man to do things for her.
Strong, powerful violent men are attractive to her because she knows she can “hijack” the violence and power and have it work for her.
Janay was testing Ray to see what he would do if a saber tooth tiger came after their daughter; or a spitting cobra, or a rapist…
He passed the test with flying colors and thats why she locked him down with a marriage; can you imagine the make up sex they had?
*now bring the flames*
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@Thwack…
“Strong, powerful violent men are attractive to her because she knows she can “hijack” the violence and power and have it work for her.”
I have news for you Thwack, she can just as easily “Hijack” the harmless and submissive, likely even more so…
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How come the “alleged victim” has not been arrested yet for some type of conspiracy-charge as she was the ultimate reason for the assault to begin with. People quickly forget that the reason for most batterings is brought on by the alleged victim, and that person should be held accountable just as an offender should be held accountable for their despicable crimes.
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^^^^^
Another women admirer!
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@Sondis: No I would not make that judgement if a man made that statement.
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(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=regofIzNFvE)
Wicked Wisdom – Bleed All Over Me
jada pinkett smith
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I have news for you Thwack, she can just as easily “Hijack” the harmless and submissive, likely even more so…
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To what end?
what woman wants a weak man who can’t/won’t defend their offspring from danger?
Question for the fellas,
How many of you have had a female say, “Im going to get my
boyfriend
husband
father
son
to kick your %@#$!!&^!?
Tell the truth
What you experienced was a female exercising her AGENCY.
That in a nutshell is why women chase after Ray Rice instead of you.
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@Phoebe
The male equivalent of the ho is not the player, but the Nice Guy.
A Ho fritters away her youth and beauty by giving them away to anyone who gives her tingles.
The Nice Guy always pays for dinner, he always lets her cry on his shoulder when her latest alpha bad boy inevitably dumps her. The player might give a woman one night of his attentions, but Nice Guys are lucky to even get that much from their girl friends.
And to add insult to injury, more and more women (Like you) are saying that Nice Guys aren’t really Nice Guys. Talking them down from their beta-tude before it becomes terminal is a great service to them, no matter how much it may hurt them.
To me the Nice Guy is simply using a shitty tactic in his quest for poon. Women have completely divorced their pussies from their hearts and see the Nice Guy as nothing more than a manipulative sneak trying to get laid.
Women are unable to emotionally bond to a man, so they cannot relate to a man longing to emotionally bond to them.
Chivalry existed when women were virgins upon marriage and corresponded to ladylike behavior and customs.
I blame Hollywood and movies like “Nutty Professor”, “Me Myself And Irene” which sells the B.S that the nice guys gets the women in the end
Have you ever heard a woman say “My babyfather was a nice guy” or “All my ex’s were nice guys” ?
Women like the nice guys when their market value is lower than a snakes belly. In short when mother nature HUMBLES WOMEN and they hit the WALL.
When their looks have gone (if they had them in the first place), they have to fall back personality, so likewise they look for a man with personality.
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vickis brother kicked my ass after i kicked hers he was a very large man
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@phoebeprunelle
True; most of the guys who complain about the “nice guy” status and about “forever alone” type stuff are over-privileged jack asses who think that just by existing they should be given access to the elite of women.
Never mind that they can’t be bothered to learn basic social skills, hygiene, not be 500 lbs over weight, get a college degree and a high earning job, join the military or the various other ways men have managed to be able to get women throughout history.
And when they can’t get the best of the best; despite having plenty of women around who might actually want to be in a relationship they spurn them because it doesn’t feed their ego.
Most men who complain about “nice guy” status aren’t nice guys.
That being said; their statements and arguments do on occasion have a point. It just doesn’t really apply to them.
And nice guys trying to dress up or act like “bad boys” for the most part doesn’t really work…..comes off more like a kid dressing up as batman, they just lack the edge when they really are nice guys.
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There’s a difference between a confident grown man and the jock stereotype.
There aren’t these two rigid categories of men many guys project.
The jock alpha stereotype seems to be the only one considered attractive to women. I know for a fact this isn’t true. The jock, The big loud idiot.
There are many different types of men: the brooding poet, the intellectual, the pretty boy, the guy in a suit, the blue collar.
Also, the men who complain about this type of thing forget they’re usually projecting the female equivalent of the jock on to all women: the cheerleader, the pretty idiot.
They want the pretty idiot, the Kim Ks of the world, who are only going to want their equivalent which is the egotistical jock. I agree with Phoebe on this. People either run after who they are if they know who they are and what matches them, or, they run after people who match what they want to be.
If you keep finding yourself with a shallow, selfish, idiot, ask yourself why you keep connecting and bonding with that type of character? It’s because it’s your mirror image. And, when you’re faced with that, you obvioulsy can’t change anyone else, but you can change yourself and stop being such a shallow, selfish, idiot.
Lastly, many men often complain about the girls who are looking for the jock type. The aggressive guy with a bunch of money. But this is the traditional girl looking for traditional roles, which is what they want in a woman, but isn’t what they are as men. But as soon as a modern non traditional woman with her own money, looking for a 50/50 partnership comes along, they run like the wind. Why? Because along with the appealing things she’s bringing to the table, such as being open minded to what masculinity is, what constitutes a good man, things like kindness, having things in common like values and longterm goals that are compatible, a man with maturity, a friend, a partner she bonds with intellectually, emotionally and s-xually, she’s also gonna have her own mind, her own thoughts, her own person. Which is not what he wants. He wants the traditional woman while he doesn’t make the cut on what a valuable traditional man is. He wants everything he’s not. As Proverbs says, people will never stop dying and being destroyed and they will never stop wanting more than they have. Charm and beauty can trick you but a good wife is a gift from the Lord. A beautiful woman without sense is a valuable as a gold ring in a pig’s snout. This type of thing works both ways, it’s universal to the human condition it’s not s-x or gender specific.
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To add to that, If the Me, myself and Irene stereotypes are false hope fantasies that are projected at these “nice-guys” cats keep complaining about, then the Jerry Maguires and Boomerangs are just the same. These “nice-guys” are either Marcus or they want to be the Marcus type, and Marcus’ or make believe Marcus’ want the Jackys not the Angelas. It’s a very universal thing.
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@Ebony
Very well put.
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@Thwack…..First of all I never implied that I was meek and submissive, to tell the truth I can go either way depending on the situation and who I am with, it doesn’t bother me to be one way or the other. If my female partner were there I would make sure, through my superior intellect, that we avoid fools like Rice or You. If she wasn’t there then i would be much more Liberal with my masculinity and I may soundly whoop your ass if it were a battle worth my manimal side. You see I don’t need to prove to her my manhood in public nor would my partner need or want me to unless it were absolutely necessary. You see men who make it a point to prove their manhood in public or need to reinforce their manly duties to their Girlfriends/Wives do so because they lack masculinity in other areas of the relationship. Maybe he doesn’t have a job, maybe he isn’t too bright and many times it’s because he has trouble proving his manhood in the bedroom. If I ever feel my manhood is in question the last thing i am going to do is go out and put my girlfriend or wife in danger and if i am going to put my hands on her it is going to be in a gentle way and it will culminate with me proving my manhood over and over and over again….So you go right ahead and punch your girlfriend and keep thinking how manly she thinks you are, meanwhile I will be dating intelligent women who will know that they are safe with me without me ever having to raise my voice or lift a finger….and when she passes by your woman in the market she be smiling from ear to ear because instead of fighting, her man came home with flowers and told her how beautiful she was as he took her upstairs and made love to her….
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it’s pua again
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Tell the truth
That’s what a Saturday Night Special is for. No need to bother your male relatives. There is not type of man, they are individuals as are females. Stop stereotyping them.
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Amen William
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Thanks Sharina.
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ha ha be the nice guy that will get her high and pay her rent and not be hearin about other dudes be the alpha but still you dont have to hurt people to do that
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Yasss honey! I can connect with almost any well-meaning guy, but on a metaphysical level–i connected deeply with my SO/hubby because we are both sapiosexuals. This is the problem that i see with the “nice guy” convos–women who are young, attractive, almost ALWAYS are reduced to being nothing more than rigid archetypes about beauty and personality (i.e. the traditional women like you eloquently described).
When the fact of the matter is there are bountiful groups and pockets of women who are pretty in non-traditional ways and to them an ideal way to spend a date is holding hands while browsing the aisles of an independent bookstore, attending a festival about alternative spirituality, or a wine tasting. We oftentimes fail to realize that the Law of Attraction is a governing rule and is always working.
Your whole analysis Ebony on why “nice guys” often reject the woman who brings her own to the table is spot the freak on. I call her the progressive lady. This is a woman who can talk to him about politics, foreign films, instill a passion for environmentalism in him all while making him feel like a man, and she is cute and fit to boot. I have seen it happen with my girlfriends and other ladies i know time and time again until they eventually tire of buying into the “nice guy” meme and wind up settling down with that good looking construction worker or cop. They ended up with men who were looking for a woman just like them that didn’t bring a lot of high school/college mental baggage with them.
@V-4, lol.
@hiphoprecords, i’m having a harder time following your argument.
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My teen-aged son informed me that running back sensation Adrian Peterson was released on a $15,000 bond after turning himself in for spanking his 4-year-old son. I went on-line to look it up and sure enough it was true. The Peterson incident was on every NFL halftime show today.
What’s up with all the drama in the NFL? Unfortunately, with the Ray Rice and Peterson issue pro athletes (especially black pro athletes) will be monitored from this point onward.
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Absolutely Phoebe
You see a lot of these “nice guys” are just dudes who are about bagging women, that’s why they’re quick to bring half the entire population down to psuedo scientific generalisations. Women are a sport to them. The only difference is they’re not bagging the female equivalent of the ¡d¡0t jock the way that type of woman’s natural equivalent (the jock) can. Either way, both the jock and these “nice guys” are still reducing women down to a sport, objects, monolithic things. They’re just alike.
I know exactly what you mean. Myself and the grown women I know have all begun settling down with grown men, and almost all of us have gone through that phase of dealing with the faux “nice guys.” Those guys were chasing the bad girls when we were younger, and now that we’re out of school, making money coming through fly as can be, just as “too sweet, too shy, filled out and thicky thick but won’t give it up-too slow, too head in the books, won’t club every night, too polite” as ever, you know how it goes . . .. it’s too late cause those rings are on those fingers now, mama.
As for the cheerleader types I know, they met their matches in their jocks. And too many faux nice guys I know are still sitting around banging their heads against the wall bitter and resentful. Of course there are women like this too who reduce men to a study, and they too are still waiting. Love should not be about seeing people as surveys, it should be about serving one another in love, adding to the other person’s life because you love them, not about a thing on your arm. It’s a doomed place to come from.
I can think of two women I know off the top of my head who settled down with faux “nice guys.” One’s now a single mother because he’s decided to upgrade from this poor Asian girl with a White girl just a few doors away, meaning, this poor girl has to walk by their house every morning taking their kids to school, and the other one is separated because he just leaves her with the bills at home alone for up to a year at a time whenever he doesn’t feel like working or doing anything, because everything is a self pity party, leaving her to work two jobs 7 days a week.
Faux nice guys are just guys who whine about women. I don’t know when being whiner because “nice”
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^^^ I don’t know when being a whiner became nice.
A “nice guy” (a platonic mutual friend) once admitted to me, “I don’t want no independent woman, I want a woman who’s an ¡di0t, who’s good in bed, (which is a far less graphic way to put it than he did when talking about a women on their knees), cooks and cleans and has a big booty, that’s it. Anything more won’t do.” And then within the next few conversations, went on a rant about how Black women are just thug chasers. He was passive aggressive, particularly towards sistas, all the while declaring he only liked h00d rats. It’s the law of attraction working like Chaka Khan singing. You bring up the museum, indie movies, politics, underground musical tastes with these types, they run like Kid in House Party. That guy’s in his 40s and still single.
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Aaaand, I noticed he had a seething hateful resentful towards brothas who were good with women. And I’m not talking about “thugs,” I’m talking about the real deal nice guys. He would curse them out under his breath just for being respectful and kind to sistas who happened to be around. He hated that women were responsive. He’d question their manhood, call them names (for example, what rhymes with gushy). He was jealous. He hated genuinely nice guys more than he hated “bad boys,” because they showed him up. They, were the real deal.
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For women every all male place is automatically misogynistic.
All male schools and country-clubs had to go, but all-female yoga centers, beauty parlors, fitness centers and many others are fine.
More men die of prostate cancer than women die of breast cancer, but are there any prostate cancer awareness months for men in the NFL ?
Hell women don’t even use their breasts for their intended purpose.
I’ve always said ”USE ‘EM OR LOSE ‘EM.”
Many women opt NOT to breastfeed because it’s inconvenient. What happens then is that they lactate only slightly but they never empty out their glands.
So they end up with a 10 year old piece of CHEESE curing in their gland.
Breast cancer IS GLANDULAR.
What makes the ‘cheese’ ? That would be the diet intake of fatty oils.
Unfortunately a junk food diet of preserved hydrogenated oils and transfats become the fatty acids trapped in her mams FOR YEARS AND YEARS. . .
USE ‘EM OR YOU LOSE ‘EM – GET IT ?
Empty them babies out. TIT FEED – THAT’S AN ORDER !
The babies are hongry . .
Looking at the video again. It is easy to see that she back hands him in the mouth at the beginning of the video. It’s also easy so see him retreating in the elevator. She does not have the demeanor of an abused woman.
I would say his response was excessive but then if I poked a lion with a stick I would expect an excessive response.
Men don’t all of a sudden have eyeballs cast from blue-twisted steel just because it’s a woman’s fist. If a woman with a gemstone ring throws a fist at your eyes she can split your eyeball open.
Imagine the beating Rice would have taken if he just stood there.
When she slapped him at the first of the video, she did it like she’d gotten by with it many times before. When he did finally retaliate in the elevator, it looked more like a swat to me, not a full on punch. Banging her head against the handrail after loosing her footing is what knocked her out.
Ray Rice worked hard, he sweat, he bled, he worked his ass off to make it into the NFL. Something that is a statistical improbability for even good college players and a distant wish of every little boy brave enough to throw on some shoulder pads.
Now, due to bullshit feminist pressure a man’s livelihood is in jeopardy. This is a clear cut case for misandry of there ever was one.
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@Ebonymonroe…….. I obviously can’t speak for all men but as a younger man it was true, I was intimidated by confident intelligent women. However I had little confidence in my social and intellectual abilities at that age so it affected my selection of women who I would date. I also went through the whole sleep with as many women as I can and boast about it with my buddies phase. I am glad I was never really that good at it because I might have ended up with a disease or in a coffin given some of the places I ended up. As I grew older, went through a few relationships and became confident, my desire for women changed from the ditsy cheerleader to the mature, intelligent and independent or confident woman. Now in my 40’s there is nothing sexier than an intelligent woman and nothing turns me off more than unintelligent, immature, needy women. I don’t hold them any ill will but as far as my libido is concerned, “no thanks mama”.
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@Ebony, excellent commentary.
I have to say that what confuses me about “nice guys” is that they really have constructed a world where they believe intellectual and free-thinking women are not physcially attractive and can put some of the “airheads” to shame in the looks department. o_0?
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Oh, all that passive aggression is coming out now.
Anger over breasts, cancer, all from this incident that has nothing to do with any of those things. These resentments towards women are the things that make women run, not not being a jock. Please don’t misinterpret the tone of my post. It’s just conversation, I’m not trying to be rude. With that said, there’s no point in having an oppression olympics because men and women are disadvantaged in different areas: men are more likely to serve and die in the army.
Women are gangraped and killed by their own side while serving and it’s pushed under the rug by their own government they’re risking their lives to serve.
Women get faaar longer sentences for the same crimes. Men are at a great disadvantage with obtaining full custody of their children.
Women make less money because of child rearing, and, make up the vast majority of the victims of sweat-shop-slave-labor, all around the world.
Men have traditionally worked the most dangerous jobs.
The chemicals we use post industrial revolution are the main culprits of cancer. Antiperspiration deodorants are a significant cause behind breast cancer, along with diet and explorative breast operations that create scar tissue and later become cancerous.
Respectfully, whether or not you or I agree with breastfeeding is not really relevant since it’s not yours or my place to tell a woman what to do with her own body. I can’t imagine why this is working you up so much and causing you to vomit out all your problems with women. The only place you have in the matter of breastfeeing is being responsible enough to strap a rubber on until you meet a woman you wsnt to carry your seeds, who feels as strongly as you do about the joys of suckling.
Maybe these strange resentments were the reason you’ve had so many problems with women.
Lastly, many men were upset over the footage and as far as I know it was mainly men who decided on the punishment. Not even Janay has bashed Ray. Many women have spoken out, but both for and against Rice’s punishment, so I don’t see how it could be brought down to misandry. I could rave about Janet Jackson being blacklisted for the Superbowl while Justin has gone from strength to strength, screaming misogyny from the rooftops, but I’m not that petty to use an incident where people have been hurt to bash an entire gender projecting all my hatred and hang ups that are nothing but my responsibility to deal with.
@William
Everyone goes through those awkward phases, and most people have their party years. The difference is, some guys grow up and understand that the entire inner and outer package must be there to bet on for good, and, that a human being will come attached to it. Not a thing. Girls also go through phases where they want, as the Shangri-las sang “the leader of the pack,” meaning, who’s the best looking, who’s the s-xiest and who’s the most mysterious. Eventually, you grow up and start looking for more to settle down with, a smart girl will learn how not to mistake the fast talker for the intelligent, the bragger for the ambitious who’s focused, the attentive, freaky lover for the lifelong h0, manipulative charm for presence, insecure boyish bravado for a still. brooding confidence. And when I say an independent woman, I don’t mean overbearing and hard to deal with, I mean, your equal.
The only choice one has in who they end up with, is who they choose, and that’s a lot more choice, a lot more agency than most people think they have.
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@TheHipHopRecords……..
“Ray Rice worked hard, he sweat, he bled, he worked his ass off to make it into the NFL. Something that is a statistical improbability for even good college players and a distant wish of every little boy brave enough to throw on some shoulder pads.”
“Now, due to bullshit feminist pressure a man’s livelihood is in jeopardy. This is a clear cut case for misandry of there ever was one.”
I see your point and after further review I too believe the punishment may have been excessive given the argument you present and further thought. But lets not jump all over women for their zeal to stand up for yet another seemingly abused woman by an abusive man. After all the word feminist wouldn’t even exist if women were treated right and men weren’t “Destroyers of Worlds”. Lets face it, when people speak about how human beings are the parasites of this planet and ultimately will be it’s demise, they aren’t talking about the women of the species….it’s the Man in Mankind that is responsible for 99% of the evil in this world. Men have been hitting women, verbally abusing women, controlling women, raping women and so on since the dawn of man…or woman. If women have become hardened or more masculine over the years it’s out of necessity or influence from the way they have been treated and the frustrations of living in a mans world…..For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction!
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it’s the Man in Mankind that is responsible for 99% of the evil in this world.
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Take away the men and its even worse.
Oh you thought it can’t get any worse?
Just drive through the ghetto.
“if you see a brick, some man put it there”
*You’re welcome*
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@Thwack…..I have never and doubt will ever meet an “evil” brick.
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Most people that ive discussed violence, petty, shall we say, with generally consider getting spit in the face the most disrespectful act of agression besides fisticuffs. Like, known fight starter. I mean its really coming up like a apologist vibe from me but this is also my healing process.
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@thwack what is that all supposed to mean? bricks is an analogy to poor people that live in the ‘ghetto’?
i just see him listening to wagner and doing speed or something in a bavarian hunting lodge
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@herneith
“There is not type of man, they are individuals as are females. Stop stereotyping them.”
what does that mean
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The nfl is goin through some very public gyrations dealing with this and adrian peterson is getting pilloried for sure but you not supposed to hit a child idk its too much for me i didnt do that
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In the UK, there are still gentlemen’s clubs where only men are allowed, and, there are plently of all boy’s schools and all girl’s schools.
The nfl are doing this for their brand, I’m sure they have investors. I remember Kevin Powell on one sports programme talking about how many of the players had recently committed domestic abuse and it was pushed under the rug compared to other less serious crimes where a period punishment actually followed. So they’re making an example of Rice, a pr campaign out of this, to protect their brand.
Rice may have been better off had he not handled her unconscious body the way he did, it wasn’t just the punch. This was also caught on camera, it would have been completely different had it not been. Add that to the fact that the nfl did a boo boo by seeing Janay and Ray together after the incident which is not the protocol in case the woman or man is being abused. You do not hold that meeting with both parties in the same room. This lead to anti domestic violence groups condemning the nfl’s course of action.
Women like Whoopi Goldberg have also taken Janay’s abuse to task as well, so I don’t think it’s fair to say all women are seeing it as a black and white incident.
I was unimpressed with the way some individuals made light of Solange and Jay z. A few people suggested he must have done something to deserve it and made fun of the fact he didn’t hit back, when he should have been celebrated for it. It’s a schizophrenic message being sent. Instead, people made memes about it and mocked him. Also, people really didn’t condemn Beyonce not trying to calm her sister down as another woman in the situation. Had it been the other way around and the other male party hadn’t intervened, people would have confemned that.
With that said, there’s a pattern here, no matter what. When Rihanna came forward and explained that she hadn’t hit Chris, but was verbally confronting him about infidelity, which led to him taking it upon himself to start smashing her head against the dash board, biting her, punching, kicking and choking her, putting her in a headlock, even holding her in the car and driving into a side road so he could continue and throwing her phone out when she tried to call for, then driving off and leaving her trembling in the middle of nowhere when she managed to get out of the car. And then, later calling her to inform her he was going to k¡ll her, despite Chris not disputing this, but actually corroborating it on Larry King, what was and still continues to be the reaction? She must have done something to deserve it, Chris has never done anything before, how could she sit back and let him go through this in the media? She’s a b¡&%@. So, it’s safe to say there’s a type of male, and a type of female, who will always blame the woman.
Cats still mock Dr Dre beating the crap out of Dee Barnes for doing her job and interviewing a music artist (Ice Cube) because he didn’t like Ice Cube at the time.
You can go over to imdb and see with movies like The Accused, which is a true story, guys ranting about how she was asking for it (to be gangraped) because of the way she was dressed and the way she was dancing. Or What’s Love Got To Do With It, where, once again, guys rant that Tina must be a liar, they come to the defence of Ike Turner. Or even fiction flicks like Enough, where the female character (spoiler alert) has to eventually kill her abuser to protect herself and her child because he will not stop coming after her. They condemn her as the criminal who should be put away for life.
So I know what these rants are about and where they’re coming from. Each time, guys begin listing the unfair benefits they perceive women to have. It all starts coming out like clockwork, all the bitterness, the resentment, the misogyny, the built up anger towards women.
On the Dorothy Dandridge thread they rant to defend Otto Preminger, they call Dorothy names because “it was her fault she chose the wrong one, she deserved it.”
With Saturday Night Fever, Stephanie deserves to die for refusing to go out with Toni, “she should have given in look what her rejection did to him,” despite him wooing her by calling her a c%@t and trying to rape her. These conversatins happen every time.
Chris Brown has recovered his career. In time, Rice will too. Hopefully. Everyone should be given room for redemption. Rice was making over 100 million a year, so whether or not he plays again, unless he’s an id¡0t, he will not be broke in this lifetime. I had heard they gave him a leave of absence indefinitely. I assumed that meant he wasn’t being let go, just being taken out for a time. People will or should let him redeem himself, eventually. I could say guys like Charlie Sheen and that MMA fighter who beat his ex girlfriend so badly she needs reconstructive surgery, proves there’s a double standard going on here. But I’m not sure, since the fact that those women were p0rn stars (which will always lessen their worth, right or wrong), and the fact that the beatings weren’t caught on tape, may be the major differences.
I don’t see playing a sport as brave. I see soldiers, good police, activists, those involved in charity organisations going into unstable countries to bring aid to victims and risking their lives in the process, as brave.
There are many men who are not misogynists, that’s why those who are stand out. And Lol @country clubs. You ain’t getting into most of those whether you’re a man or not. LMBO.
I believe Rice will eventually recover.
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@Thwack………..
“if you see a brick, some man put it there”
*You’re welcome*
If you see a man, some WOMAN put it there”
*Now say thank you to your Mother*
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There’s no excuse for hitting a woman. None. However, I can’t help to see the subtle way they try to racialize domestic violence as if only black couples experience this, and it is more of a problem than say, when Ben R. was accused of sexual assault twice.
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Make no mistake, the black community must address this problem, but people in general will see this as a black pathology while ignoring or staying quiet when other couples go through domestic violence.
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I agree bothawolf. I think most sistas know they just use these incidents as opportunities to attack Black men and to hold them up as monsters, some of the uprising is over the assault, but some of it has other angles to it. Look at Charlie Sheen. There needs to be consistency.
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Or, to proselytize the ever popular notion that Black couples are more dysfunctional.
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Thug Test (Google hits on September 16th 2014):
29,100 “ray rice is a thug”
5 “charlie sheen is a thug”
Even though Sheen has a much longer history of violence against women.
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^^^This
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Meant “this” for Abagond’s post, but I agree, people view Charlie Sheen as being White.
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Abagond, that statement almost seems like it trivializes domestic abuse.
“Oh it was just one time, so no biggie.”
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v8driver
@thwack what is that all supposed to mean? bricks is an analogy to poor people that live in the ‘ghetto’?
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No, it gives men credit for their constructive activities that women ignore and dismiss as “ordinary.”
Bricks, streets, plumbing… some man put that there.
*you’re welcome*
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William the Conqueror
@Thwack………..
If you see a man, some WOMAN put it there”
*Now say thank you to your Mother*
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In Afghanistan, and most original societies in general, the men eat first; and it is the OLD WOMEN who enforce this culture.
Why?
Because the OLD WOMEN know that without the men, they have nothing, not even children.
The OLD WOMEN know it is the warriors who protect and defend the tribe from all threats.
If your tribe is defeated in battle, your young fertile women and children will be snatched, and all others will have their throats slit; including the OLD WOMEN.
This is why the OLD WOMEN make sure the men eat first.
OLD WOMEN have common sense, thats how they got old.
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@Thwack….Did you just use the Taliban as an example of how to treat women?…Wow!
You like to boast that man built the brick house and that in Afghanistan the women respect the men for without the man they would not exist. Well first of all this is not Afghanistan and one example of an antiquated society in some far off place does not make a sound argument for the abuse of women. Man’s contribution to the creation of the child last about 20 minutes and consist of a shot glass of fluid, a monumental difference from carrying around a 10 pound baby in your stomach for 9 months and culminating in a 20 hour labor on your back….to compare Fatherhood with Motherhood is just absurd…
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William the Conqueror
@Thwack….Did you just use the Taliban as an example of how to treat women?
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No, I use OLD AFGHAN WOMEN as an example of how women in touch with their true nature conduct themselves.
You think this “white man world” is sustainable?
Think again; where were you during Katrina? This ain’t civilization, this is theater; let the power go out, let the water get cut off… in a matter of hours you will be right back in Afghanistan.
Oh you think white people are better than that?
Don’t make me laugh:
“They’re only as good as the world allows them to be. You’ll see, when the chips are down these civilized people will eat each other…” — The Joker
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@William
It’s already been established, for quite some time now, that one’s commentary is like that of one who’s not quite all there.
@Phoebes
I think Aba was just touching on my point that outrage over violence against women is inconsistent, depending on what the offender looks like. I agree it shouldn’t be pushed under the rug, I’m not with dismissing incidents just because the offender happens to be Black. In cases like Chris and Rihanna where that kind of thing was suggested, that’s essentially asking me to ignore what was done to a sista to rally behind a brotha. I’m not gonna do that. With that said, the uprising is never there when offenders look like Charlie Sheen.
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-rihanna-performance-nfl-game-20140911-story.html
“CBS cancels Rihanna performance ahead of Thursday night’s NFL game”
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2202494-jonathan-dwyer-arrested-for-domestic-violence-latest-details-comments-and-more?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national
“Arizona Cardinals running back Jonathan Dwyer was arrested Wednesday afternoon on charges of domestic violence.”
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The new NFL policy on domestic violence may have the unintended consequence of retarding wives from reporting it out of fear of being thrown off the money train.
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sharinalr
To expand on that. I don’t agree with or believe hitting women is ok. In his case he could have frankly walked away
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Walked away?
Walked away where?
He was trapped in an elevator with a drunk raging black woman. What if she had poked him in the eye?
Did you know many pro sports players are prohibited from engaging in certain recreational activities due to the possibility of injury?
Its in their 3000 page contract, “you may not roller skate…”, you may not engage in pick up basket ball…
They are kinda like farm animals.
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@ Phoebe
I am not in any way giving Ray Rice a pass. There was no excuse for what he did. It was not like Janay was coming at him with a knife or a gun and he had to knock her out in self-defence. My point is that there is a double standard, one that gives CHARLIE SHEEN a pass.
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@Abagond
Sometimes I wish you had an ignore button. Lol
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I don’t agree with what Ray Rice did in any way,shape or form. However, people are saying that you shouldn’t hit women no matter how they provoke a man – no excuse at all to hit a woman! But I can recall seeing black woman ( Marlene Pinnock) being beaten, a month ago, severely by a highway petrol Officer and also being held down by another off duty Officer. The woman was shown being repeatedly beaten by this thuggish, cowardly cop, as he rained down blow upon blow on this woman’s face. This was the most gratuitous acts of violence ever caught on camera by a man against a female – that I had ever witnessed on social media, in any case.
Luckily, this whole incident was caught on film and it was even uploaded on Youtube, but Youtube removed it because it contravened some policy or other. My point is this: where was all the outrage? Where were these same people who calling for this man to be stripped of everything? The white media was extremely silent and all the white feminists, in particular, who are usually quick to demand the perpetrator should faced jail or be punished in some sort of way. Oh I forgot, when it comes to black people being victims they usually gloss over it. Remember David Soul of Starsky and Hutch fame? Wasn’t he known to have a violent temper when he drank and would assault either his girlfriend or his wife, breaking more than a few bones. Yet he could be redeemed and go on to act and not have his image tarnished in any way – but some how when a black male is involved in any kind of abuse, he is considered unredeemable. Mel Gibson was invovled in domestic abuse but he could be redeemed: Gibson pleaded no contest in 2011 to one count of misdemeanor spousal battery of his former girlfriend Oksana Grigorieva. He was sentenced to three years of probation, domestic violence counseling and two days of community service. Furthermore, it didn’t affect his career in any way, shape or form ( I wonder why?).
This leads me to think that the media and all the others that are calling for Ray Rice’s head don’t really care about domestic violence per say – only when blacks are involved. They just want to betray the blackman as innately beastial and totally devoid of any feelings. Infact, he cannot be redeemed because that is in his nature to be violent and savage. The double standards are so claring, it’s become unreal. They say the media is the gatekeeper of reality and this reality – when it’s negative – is only shown when it comes in a black face.
They white media wants to insinuate that blacks have no morels and therefore we should be somehow saved from ourselves. They want to imply that only whites have better morels. This is just another way of demonizing us further, and I question the timing of the way the video footage was released. I’m not saying that we are all angels, but at least have some sort of balance.
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I agree. That’s exactly what I meant about consistency. There’s no way to get around it, it’s obvious. Thanks for mentioning this police brutality incident I’ve never heard of it, I’m going to look into it. You also have to bare in mind that along with the racism in media, Black civil rights leaders are mostly silent when it comes to situations where Black girls or women are victims of police brutality, etc. So there’s no stream of information that’ll usually be out there for the most part. But I agree, the outrage is 100% selective.
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@EbonyMonroe It will shock you by the level of violence being meted out against this woman who look like she had some sort of mental health issues. She is in fact a grandma. Just google:”Black woman being beaten by petrol officer”. White folks have the power to create a reality that isn’t always true. Thanks
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Who here is tired of black people whining about “police brutality?”
Why don’t you guys offer any SUGGESTIONS regarding what to DO about it?
Here are my suggestions:
1. Stop challenging the police to contests of who has more power. When you are told by police to “get the fukc up on the side walk…” guess what? Just do it.
2. If you insist on engaging the police in a contest of who has more power and you want to win; build yourself a suicide vest, wear it everyday, and be prepared to detonate it if a police officer puts his hands on you unjustly.
Black people are pitiful; they want to change everything but themselves.
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@Sean Ford
I enjoyed reading your comment. It was spot on. Unfortunately for me I was not aware of the situation you mentioned. Partly due to being sick and partly due to being in my own bubble. Like Ebony I will look this up.
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@Thwack
Not as much as I am tired of hearing you whine.
*presses imaginary ignore button*
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I was reading an article in the paper about this where janay-palmer-rice, was blaming the public for destroying they’re life.
To me this is a clear indication of psychopathology.
I didn’t and probably will not watch the video,descriptions where enough for me.
What she either can’t understand or does not want to is that the public outcry for her husbands permanent suspension from football was due HIS treatment of her,HIS ray rice’s callous and brutal treatment of not only a female ,but of someone he was supposed to love and care for.
He caused his permanent suspension ,the public just demanded what was just and fair.
The NFL was caught hiding video and lying.
She is in a pathological relationship and in serious need of profession counseling and therapy.
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I’m just saying Abagond, bringing up white men in these conversations is a non sequitur. I don’t doubt that it could be unfair, but who cares what white men are doing? This should be a teachable moment for Black children (mainly boys)–this is NOT how you lead your community.
All of the NFL scandals lately have involved Black men going overboard with Black women and children. This is about not being anti life, because anytime a man is anti woman and children–he is anti life.
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Love is not supposed to hurt.
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Men scare me. Why are women so hated all around the world even by other women? I don’t think I’m ever going to get into a relationship (naive as it may sound).
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@Phoebe
Try not to blame Aba, I was the one who brought it up after B Wolf spoke on it being projected as a Black pathology
@MBeti
Great post. Janay is living in an alternate reality where public incidents of crime judged a single party.
@Sean
Thanks for the information. I agree, the media is just getting worse.
@thwack
On behalf of the Black community and all police brutality cases, thanks for your kind advice. Hopefully it will work more often.
@Jpassingthrough
They’re not all like that. Just stick to gentlemen and really take the time to get to know em’ I always say court not date. Get old fashioned and sloooow motion.
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Wow, that commentor who said that blacks are whining when we point out double standards in the white owned and controlled media in regards to the Ray Rice incident . Yet another racist troll that loves to tell us how we should responds to racism/white supremacy. What better way to continue its existence than to pretend that people who are the victims of it are imagining things, or just whining for the sake of it? I’ve seen this same tactic being used time and time again. I must truly have touched a nerve by what I said. They want to point out other people’s “dirt” but hide their own, and have the nerve to point fingers. If you think we are whining go elsewhere; no one here is compelling you to listen to a bunch of whiners… motherfucker!
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So how is this “Charlie sheen argument” different than the “Arab slave trader argument”?
The post is about ray rice. The reason why this case blew up is due to two things:
1. He received a 2 game suspension while other (black) players were getting longer suspensions for ecstasy and weed.
2. The video was released. The uproar over the disproportionate punishment had died down. Then the video was released and I guess most people have horrible imaginations because now all of a sudden they were shocked and outraged. The rest of us were just happy people were finally waking up.
This is not about white people targeting black men. It’s about domestic violence. Don’t derail the discussion into something that allows you to feel less ashamed.
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@ Solesearch
If I were using Charlie Sheen to excuse Ray Rice, that would be an Arab Trader sort of argument. But I am not excusing what Ray Rice did, just pointing out a double standard.
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Abagond,
“If I were using Charlie Sheen to excuse Ray Rice, that would be an Arab Trader sort of argument. But I am not excusing what Ray Rice did.”
You’re using it the same way whites use the Arab slave trader argument. They use it to show that slavery isn’t unique to white people or America, to call you a hypocrite for harping on American slavery. You’re using Charlie sheen to show that domestic violence isn’t unique to black men and saying society is hypocritical for harping on Ray Rice. Right?
The outcome is the same to shutdown the discussion and instead focus it elsewhere…on the hypocrisy of society. So instead of talking about abusers we talk about hypocrites.
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@Soulsearch
I brought up the double standard on the inconsistency on concern over violence against women after touching on this being projected as a Blkack pathology by conservative. Not Abagond, he was just commenting on what I said. Blame me not him.
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Lol @George
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@Everyone……Good morning everybody, I enjoyed reading all of your post, even yours Thwack and I agree in some part of most of them. Those of you who know me and have read many of my post probably know that I can be almost as critical of the white supremacist society that dominates our country and on many levels, the world. However there are times when I believe the conversation can be a bit unfair or derailed and the argument or conversation becomes a black and white matter instead of just a moral matter for all of us. Yes, you can argue that the systemic affect of racism, white supremacy and dissonance has created so much distrust and injustice in the black community that everything is Black and white and I will be right there to support you. But to get off subject on a matter so important where a star athlete, which young impressionable children look up to, has knocked out and dragged his wife across the floor, is doing more to hurt and perpetuate the problem rather than helping to change it. I am the first one to stand in line when it comes to putting the blame on white society when it comes to the social and economical issues of POC but each issue of violence should be dealt with carefully and without excuses, there is no excuse for this behavior from anyone and I think it is important that we don’t let young children, white or Black, learn that it wasn’t Ray Rices fault but it was the Media’s fault for not being fair to Black men. We need to fix these problems indeed but when it comes to violence I think it is important for the next generation that we always stay on point and don’t dilute the act by looking for alternative arguments to compare. Anything else I am on board but not violence.
Someone mentioned that Mel Gibson was not treated unfairly by the media but I remember it much differently. Mel Gibson and his racist rant was played over and over and ultimately has done everything but destroy his career. This man is an academy award winner and was doing two movies a year until the drunk driving incident and since that moment he has done 2 movies in 10 years and has co-starred in another. When he went through his divorce and his spousal abuse they did the same thing, playing his phone tape conversation so much I couldn’t stand the sound of his voice any longer.
I think the media in whole are bottom feeding parasites and they are going to report and sensationalize every story that will get people drooling at the mouth; Black, white, rich, poor, etc….In this case the men involved are NFL star athletes and that is what garnished them so much attention, in these cases I don’t believe their skin color played any role. Of course that is not to say you will still have half the white people out there making racist assumptions and stereotyping POC but that’s because they lack courage, character, basic deduction skills and empathy….
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Ebonymonroe,
I’m not blaming anyone and if I was Abagond would still be the one to blame since it’s his policy.
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There wasn’t a Western world outcry over Sheen beating up that girl in the hotel, or his wife. He lost his sitcom for being rude to executives. What about the MMA fighter who beat his ex so badly she’s seeking donations for facial reconstructive surgery? I could be mistaken.
In no way am I trying to make this an ethnic issue, the problem I’m getting at is, particularly with conservatives, instead of the focus coming from a place of concern over violence against women, it’s being pushed as some kind of ethnic issue. It’s the selective nature of the outrage. The outrage with Mel seemed to be about his racism, and then people looked to his girlfriend with an accent and began wondering if she set him up.
I could be wrong, we’re all hearing media from the sources we turn into, I don’t know if the overall narative is equal.
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@George
Now you’ve got me thinking, playing devil’s advocate. I’m wondering if men of colour actually get away with it more because people tend to rally for them. I’m not sure.
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Kiwi,
“On top of that, I disagree with your analogy. Whites and Arabs enslaved blacks for racist reasons. Ray Rice punching his wife has nothing to do with race, so the racialization of this incident of domestic violence needs to be called out.”
That isn’t my analogy. The fact that the so called racialization of the abuse is the topic instead of the abuse is my point. It’s derailing.
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http://jezebel.com/5774374/charlie-sheens-history-of-violence-toward-women
I’m not sure. I think it would surely go off into areas of economic advantage, celebrity status, fan base and ethnicity. I don’t know. I have just never come across the kind of uprising for offenders who aren’t Black.
Side note: Both Janay and Rice are unlikable.
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I just watched the video again. In no way was this self defense.
Outside of the elevator, Janay and Ray are obviously arguing or have been.
She walks past very upset and slaps him with the back of her hand. Not full force.
He’s clearly angry after this and goes into that elevator intending to hit her.
He walks in and gets up close to her while she’s leaning against the wall and it looks as if he punches her in her body.
She gets angry and walks over to him and saying something and then he punches her in the face full force, knocking her out cold.
This wasn’t self defense, he could have walked away from this.
What’s troubling is the public response that has even been passionately angry in excusing or defending Ray’s actions. People come out the woodwork with terribly disturbing views, as if they’re defending their own way of life. Or even in the child abuse case, labeling it discipline when the little boy sustained injuries to his testicles and multiple bruises and lacerations about the body.
It’s obvious we still have a very real problem with right and wrong.
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@Ebonymonroe…..
“Now you’ve got me thinking, playing devil’s advocate. I’m wondering if men of colour actually get away with it more because people tend to rally for them. I’m not sure.”
Thank you my dear. This is what is missing in so many conversations and one of the reasons I like coming to Abagonds site…..honesty and flat out wisdom. Wisdom to know that with conversation comes different ideas and information that may enlighten us or bring us together on subject matter. I believe that this is not something that you see with most Conservative arguments or discussions. I don’t want to generalize but I just don’t know too many conservatives that would allow themselves to open up and see other sides of an argument. I know there are some but not many….anyway just wanted to applaud the beautiful Ebonymonroe, I love saying that name…”Ebonymonroe”….okay back to reality.
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@George Ryder…..LOL….I’ll think about it.
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@Solesearch,
I’m in TOTAL agreement.
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The NFL also looks incompetent they are hypocrites as well.
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There are many people turning in their Ray Rice jerseys it truly sucks to be him these days.
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Tons of hot women are lined up to marry Ray Rice if Janay divorces him.
Don’t listen to what women say; watch what they do.
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@Abagond
Speaking of violence against women, don’t you think the Marlene Pinnock case deserves a post.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-J-yVKxXrY)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ5lur3XWAc)
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You Don’t Need to Know Why Janay Palmer Rice Stayed:Compassion and Perfection
This morning, TMZ Sports released video of former Baltimore Ravens running back, Ray Rice punching his then girlfriend, Janay Palmer in the head and knocking her out. We commented briefly on this when they got married a month later, but at the time, police sources were saying that the altercation between the two was brutal. I encourage you to skip watching the video-many people have said they regret watching.
This was posted over on the WAOD Facebook Fan Page:
Sheena RoyalLadi M Ray Rice should be ashamed for using marriage as a veil of respect and love. And, his wife, then girlfriend, should also be ashamed for marrying her abuser. Get out now, girl! WAOD FanPage
And this:
Tonya Robinson Why is everyone so bothered and worried about this woman??? He hit her not once but twice and apparently she IS NOT bothered by it at all because she was his GIRLFRIEND then and she is his WIFE now. Everyone has an opinion about everything today and they rant and rave forever on subjects that have nothing to do with them at all. He hit her not anyone of you and you are all on fire. Why not take that energy and apply it to something positive in your wonderful lives and be done with the one you are so upset with. Quite frankly she has moved on and accepted what happened because she FURTHERED the relationship after, creating an official bond with her abuser. I am going to take a guess and say none of you are in an abusive relationship (I hope), so move on and let their negativity be just that THEIR NEGATIVITY and don’t allow it to become yours. Oh and before anyone says I am defending Rice let me stop you and say YOU’RE WRONG as two left feet. No woman should be knocked out by a man but she should want to leave.You don’t need to know why Janay stayed. Your condemnation of her decision to marry Ray Rice isn’t likely to increase the liklihood that Janay leaves Rice. You calling her names is basically another version of the abuse metted out by Ray Rice. -WAOD Fan Page
If you’re a fully grown person, at some point you’ve interacted with another grown person whose significant other treats them like garbage.
Why they stay is a mystery. I’ve encountered situations like this on multiple occasions and I’ll never receive an answer that is satisfactory to me even if they came up with an explanation. I’m not entitled to an explanation, nor am I obligated to go along with the wild and crazy rides of other people’s abusive relationships.
What I do know is that it often takes multiple attempts to leave an abusive relationship and the most dangerous time for women in abusive relationships is when they try to leave. So the only thing you need to know is whether society, in general, or Janay Palmer’s network of family and friends, in particular, have created an environment to make sure that she is safe and taken care of when and if she decides to leave.
It’s normal to want to know “why”? But resist the urge. Knowing “why” doesnt change the fact that even if Janay Rice never leaves, she doesn’t deserve to be beaten.
To those of you who can’t spare any compassion towards Janay Palmer Rice without “knowing” why she stayed, I pity you. I hope you reach a point in your personal development where your compassion doesn’t require perfection.
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Maybe cases like Keyarika Diggles should get posts, too.
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And Ersula Ore.
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@ Thwack: Re: “OLD WOMEN have common sense, thats how they got old.”
So that makes you what, six years odl?
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The usual bullshit! Fyi,you step up to anyone you risk getting KTFOed! Women don’t get a pass-not in the real world. Why did she hit and SPIT on him?? The truth is this was to divert attention from Jerry Jones,the Cowboys owner court case-a stripper is alleging sexual assault:”On September 8th she filed papers and the following day the Ray Rice elevator tape hit TMZ from where it barreled its way into world consciousness. Diversion-plain and simple!” http://karanjazplace.blogspot.com/2014/09/seeing-whole-picture-ray-ricejay-z.html
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That usual bull, if you punch a woman twice, throwing a full blow to the face until she’s out cold and then proceed to drag her unconscious body like she’s not the mother of your child and the woman you will marry, you risk losing your job, your career, and your reputation for good. You don’t get a pass unless your life is on the line or there’s no way to walk away. And there’ll be no way to divert attention away from is plain and simple.
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@Kay………..Yes, Jerry Jones paid TMZ to air the tape so maybe by chance it will divert attention away from his stripper case…COME ON, thats ridiculous. The tape is what made it infamous, the assault had been known about for some time and no one cared at all but once people saw how brutal it was thats when the shit hit the fan. If there was a conspiracy it was when the NFL hid the tape from the public so no one could see how brutal it was and the NFL wouldn’t have to sideline Rice….they did everything in their power to keep him on the field.
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@ William
I do wonder how long TMZ had the video and, if they did not release it right away, why they waited.
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“That usual bull, if you punch a woman twice, throwing a full blow to the face until she’s out cold and then proceed to drag her unconscious body like she’s not the mother of your child and the woman you will marry, you risk losing your job, your career, and your reputation for good. You don’t get a pass unless your life is on the line or there’s no way to walk away. And there’ll be no way to divert attention away from is plain and simple.”
I can’t respond to the usual memes of a gymnocratic (women led) society. I live in the real world where when you spit and hit someone you get KTFO’d. Status,gender and age doesn’t matter.
@Willy,yes they had the tape from the beginning-why did they release it the day after JJ’s court case?
Abagond is right-he’s asking the correct questions.
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With all due respect, critical thinking is critical thinking.
In the same way there’s the risk of a violent reaction whenever you assault someone no matter their ethnicity or s-x, in the real world, there is also an established measurement of right or wrong between the s-xes when you can walk away or it’s not a matter of life or death, in civilized Western society when it comes to violence, and, there are often consequences and stigmas that come with choices that are contrary.
This is also a reality.
I don’t quite understand why my pointing out that complaining about consequences for the latter which simply exists in the real world, is some kind of evidence of a character flaw because of my s-x and/or gender, while your pointing out the risk that any kind of violent physical contact from woman to man runs the risk of a violent reaction in the real world, is simply a matter of practicality.
I don’t understand why that would be considered a meme or how it would indicate that the Western world is no longer a White supremacist patriarchal society because men chose to punish Rice to protect their brand. I would have thought that would’ve been considered linear thinking.
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Below is a comment from Lavern Merriwheather…
I’m posting this so that Black people can see the illogical/red herring/non sequitur that such a comment is. This is a supposed Black female who simply cannot fathom that some Black men do beat and verbally assault other Black women. She doesn’t want to deal, because to her, calling question to the Black patriarchal social structure in the lives of Black women and children means she isn’t a “supporter” or “down” with Black men.
With that said, Abagond this has inspired a guest post.
“How disappointed I am with the Black Community’s response to the recent NFL scandals.”
Excuse the poor grammar and misspellings–i simply cannot remain quiet about how dangerous this person’s reasoning is.
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Make no mistake about it, I don’t say this in an accusatory tone, but off of the simple fact that I did request a post on Pinnock I just wanted to clarify the intent was not to minimize the actions of Rice in any way, nor was my mention of Pinnock’s abuse posted as a correlation device highlighting the media coverage of the Rice incident vs. Pinnock’s attack, but rather it was simply a request that Abagond post on Pinnock as he has done with posts on Trayvon and multiple posts on Brown. As can be seen above and in a number of other threads where the topic has come up, I have acknowledged how dangerous this consistent monolithic rallying behind one gender is, often at the expense of the other, in the B community on more than one occasion. In the past, even engaging in passionate debates about it.
I say this only to clarify @ phoebe as I have always enjoyed your posts. I also want to make it clear that when Black women (not all since some can be female chauvinist p!gs), but some Black women, feel the concerns are not always genuine as many in Black media do not cover male to female violence against BW unless they involve a White male, and many mainstream media sources do not cover male to female violence against BW unless the perpetrator is Black.
The concern is not about defending the actions of men who assault women, the concern is over the conditional concern as opposed to other groups of women who’s value is intrinsic to their being human and women. The former conditions often create a concern that the outrage is media spaces are based on one-upmanship. I have encountered many Black women who vehemently disagree with this kind of behaviour and make no excuses about it while simultaneously discussing such a phenomena. My feeling is that it wouldn’t be fair for Black women’s voices and their concerns to be moderated not only in (frequently racist) White spaces, (frequently s-xist or down right misogynistic) Black spaces, but also, in conditional Black female spaces to top it all off. Just wanted to clarify.
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I’m probably gonna bounce for a while, the blog is becoming too trolly. God bless.
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@ Ebony
I understand. Sometimes it is good to just do an I and out thing. I look forward to reading your return comment.
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In*
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@Ebonymonroe: I am going to miss you for real. Don’t be a stranger.
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come back
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she called me out today maybe you like violence she said you talk about fighting and you know i took martial arts idk its kind of part of life for me anyway but it stops with me i got her to say that too i say it often not all the time or anything but that’s kind of my policy statement
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Ebonymonroe is leaving?
oh please God No!
how will we ever carry on without her?
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@Ebonymonroe…..I will miss you sweety and I feel your frustration. As a white man I can’t imagine what it would be like to be a Black man in this white dominated world and the injustices that Black men have had to endure. Black women have twice the burden facing the world as a person of color and a women on top of that. Not enough time is spent discussing these struggles and definitely there is a huge lack of respect as Black women get lost under all the masculine dominated headlines and discussions…Good luck Ebony, I will miss saying your name.
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@George….now I suggest you worry about your post and I’ll worry about mine and if the person I am directing my post to is “CREEPED OUT” by my comment then I will act accordingly but the more time you spend concentrating on me and getting jealous that I am being friendly with someone else I am going to get the idea that you are a little more interested in me than the normal blogger here. Which if the case I must say that I am flattered and even though I respect and fight for the Gay and Lesbian community and all that may fall under those sexual preferences, I myself am just a plain boring heterosexual…but thank you.
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oh her ex just hit me in the face wow i got a have a fist fight
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@ William the Conqueror: Comment deleted for insulting language.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/14/politics/nfl-ray-rice-reactions/index.html?iref=allsearch
“Obama ‘shocked’ by Ray Rice video; Washington turns attention to NFL”
wait for it…
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2775885/The-world-different-place-pulled-gun-Secret-Service-allowed-three-time-felon-carrying-gun-travel-elevator-Obama-latest-screw-up.html
“Secret Service allowed criminal with a gun to ride in the same elevator as Obama just three days before they let knife-wielding veteran with PTSD into the White House”
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@v8driver….somethings afoot if they have kept putting the Pres in danger, it’s like they are playing the odds, must be the GOP and their white cohorts.
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@v8driver….if I was Obama I would make my entire secret service force Black because you never know which one of those sun glasses wearing white dudes is a Republican or worse, Tea Partier….
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Calm down people. Its all staged; more jewish theater for you proles to discuss on your cell phones.
Nothing to see here, move along now…
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Thanks guys, it’s been great speaking to you. I’ll probably be back in a few months, anyway. Thanks William, you’re a sweetheart. Bye Sharina, I’m taking that wise advice. Bye Mary, I’m gonna miss you too mama, bye George, bye v8, bye Aba. I won’t get dramatic and name everyone I speak to especially since I’ll probably be back in a few months. Love always.
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George
It is not about trolls scaring one away. It is about getting tired of xyz ( different for everyone). It would be nice to discuss something just once without juvenile comments from certain people. I get tired of that.
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Yeah George,
I’d bet for example you didn’t “scare” Matari or King or Kwamla or MsTooGoodForYou away. But like Sharina said, some people get tired of the clueless juvenile comments from “certain” people. It’s better to simply leave than to bring this blog down to that debilitating juvenile clueless level.
Can you dig it?
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@Ebonymonroe:
Don’t stay away too long. Add me to the list of people who’ll miss you.
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George
Depends on what you see as a win for trolls. To me trolls when if they feel they have accomplished what they want. In most cases scaring one away isn’t what they want. They prefer to have a puppet to play with.
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Win not when.
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Matari actually did leave because of you and others like you. He thought you were basic and childish and did not feel abagond checked you enough as he should have.
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Sorry forgot the @ George
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Oh no, George is leaving too?
Oh the humanity, what a terrible tragedy…
(cue Hindenburg footage)
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@abagond:
Would it really be such an offence against freedom of speech to remove some of the “contributors” whose signal to noise ratio is so poor that they drive away valuable participants?
I confess to sometimes wondering why some of the more puerile comments (and commenters) have been left to annoy your core audience.
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George
Why are you so dramatic? I don’t know if or even why those others left, but I don’t think it is cool for you to act like you are clueless on why Matari left. Do remember the last thing he said to you.
Matari is a man by the way.
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Buddhuu
I don’t feel abagond should take that much of an extreme. I have started to go by the motto….not my monkeys not my circus.
There was a comment by George stating that a certain group of people got their azz handed to them. The comment was in poor taste and thus I ignored. Sometimes that is the best option.
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@ sharinalr:
I know what you mean. It’s just a shame when people who have interesting things to say decide that they are too tired of BS to keep contributing – or at least they feel that they have to take a break.
But the noise – the empty, childish, dysfunctional noise – that still hangs around, buzzing and droning away like some irritating insect.
I mostly decline to engage with the empty vessels, so my comment to abagond wasn’t because the attention-seeking fools bug me personally – but I have valued the contributions of some of the good people who don’t comment as often as they did.
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buddhuu
@abagond:
Would it really be such an offence against freedom of speech to remove some of the “contributors” whose signal to noise ratio is so poor that they drive away valuable participants?
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buddhuu, are you a white person?
Are you trying to get another black person to do “your work” for you?
Are you trying to retard vigorous debate and free exchange of ideas among black people?
I got my eye on you
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@Thwack….”Are you trying to retard vigorous debate and free exchange of ideas among black people?”
If indeed you are pushing for free debate then why are you trying to sensor buddhuu? And once again this is not a skin color coordinated site. This is a site where the administrator, Julian Abagond, has created, for purposes to open up debate and discussions based on a given subject matter almost on an ever changing daily subject or event. The catalyst for this site has a lot to do with the injustices of this world and deals with a lot of racism, inequality and other like tragedies of our time. If the forum were all Black then your discussions would not be complete nor would they help to educate those who perpetuate such abuses through ignorance or shear learned behavior. It would also create more of the same and less healing or understanding. I myself have learned so much about our country, our world and so much about the Black community, Asian community and even my own white community as I join in some of the conversations. Abagond has even acted as a teacher to me as his judgement and deletions of certain colorful post of mine were omitted for not following the rules of engagement. What he really did was keep me in check and made me a more mature blogger which will likely transfer to my personal life as well. Something you no doubt could benefit from regarding many of your post and attacks. The subject matter many times has to do with concerns within the Black community but also the Puertorican community, Hispanic community, Asian community and so on. You seem to change your stripes very often anyway, telling Black people how they should act, how much anger they should have or not have, etc. Your time here has been more about judging others and less about trying to understand others and in the process pass on some constructive criticism or views of your own. It seems that 90% of your comments always include an insult or attack of some kind. If anyone is hurting the integrity of this site it is you Thwack and I really don’t care what color your skin happens to be so don’t even go there…Snap!
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@William
*high five*
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Oh pahleez.
Look, William the Conqueror, Im not trading spit with you. I have just one question for you and ALL white people:
What are you UNWILLING to do to replace the system of white supremacy with a system of justice?
And don’t try to fool me with a 4000 word essay, buckets of words, slick talk and all that stuff that works on the average negro because you will live to regret it.
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Thwack…..”And don’t try to fool me with a 4000 word essay, buckets of words, slick talk and all that stuff that works on the average negro because you will live to regret it.”
I have one thing to say to you about that….
“Are you trying to retard vigorous debate and free exchange of ideas among people?”
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@thwack:
Your loud ego is entirely irrelevant and of no interest to me. You are background noise.
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Even Tariq Nasheed recognizes deflection! Look:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3exrVTyMuNM )
Why is it so difficult to understand? Listen to the whole show.
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Think about it?
Neither “buddhuu” nor “William” answered the question?
See how they play you black people?
All they do is hand you information you already know.
And you value these white peoples “contributions” to this blog?
Unarmed black people are getting gunned down on a daily basis and you make these two guys royalty?
(((SMMFH)))
Maybe we deserve to be mistreated and abused on the basis of color?
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Thwack
Unarmed black people are getting gunned down and you spend your time here making a joke about it only to become serious (extreme overstatement on my part) when whitell men address you.
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Thwack………..”Maybe we deserve to be mistreated and abused on the basis of color?”
“You” are being treated on the basis of your character and nothing else, we have no idea what you look like, how tall or short you are, if you are rich or poor. We only have what you give us of your character, so I recommend you act accordingly if you are really interested in earnest discussions. If you act civil you will get civil answers, if you continue to insult people, you will in turn be insulted. “For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.”
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Do buddhuu and William have you on retainer?
How much do you charge to warm up beds?
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Sharina, why do you ASSUME everything is about you?
Ego much?
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Thwack
Same reason you assume your relevance or ability to be sly or intelligent. Oh that is right. Not the same reason because I did not need to assume what was pretty clear.
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Look, if you want to keep talking to me we’re gonna have to get a room.
People are starting to wonder about you?
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@Thwack
Every response more pitiful than the last.
Good luck with that.
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Thwack…..Do you know how I see you?
A proud intelligent man….Nope.
A young slightly witty and likable guy….Nope.
A Man serious about honest discussion about human relations in the world today….Nope.
I see you as a bored, unlikable, sad, lonely boy with a lot to say but his mouth always gets in the way…
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Abagond, did you delete Sharina’s comment asking you to delete a comment I made?
I hope no one thinks I asked you to do it because I didn’t; it was there and then later it was gone?
If you delete comments without notice it may produce continuity issues?
(Confusion)
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Thwack….by the way I would loved to answer your question but I was so insulted by your follow up comment below the question that I lost all interest in furthering any real debate with you. You see Thwack you and I hold a lot of the same opinions but every single time you say something intriguing you quickly say something insulting, how the hell are we suppose to take you seriously or keep on point when we are constantly being diverted by senseless blabbery or directed how to answer your question, no one likes to be told how to answer a question or how they should think, same thing….it’s like talking with a 10 year old who is too smart for his britches. Get some big boy britches and I would gladly answer all of your questions and ask some of my own…
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@Thwack
I kindly asked abagond to delete my comment not one of yours. If there is confusion then it is only yours.
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At any rate thanks for the momentary source of entertainment, but there is only so much stupidity I can take in in day.
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Good for you.
You should sleep well tonight after after the pounding you took.
I guess they are few and far between for you these days.
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Bye thwack or does your white daddy call you Teresa? 😉
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@Thwack……..Now you are not only showing your age but your lack of maturity and respect for women, your very lucky we are online right now because I would never allow you to speak to a women like that in my presence…you now have sickened me and I am greatly disappointed because I thought just maybe there was a chance for us to have some real conversations but you have ruined that possibility…
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@thwack i wish you wouldnt imply sharina is a prostitute. Nobody is going to treat you with one iota of respect or consideration for where you’re trying to go with your arguments when you come out of the side of you neck like that. Quite simply, it’s un called for.
“What are you UNWILLING to do to replace the system of white supremacy with a system of justice?”
Well some of us white people are trying to learn how we can help without condescenion or the ‘pandering’ effect of the white liberal entity. Me personally my number one fight is with the bottle and that’s never gonna end. But as far as society goes that’s a fair question. There is an answer and it needs to be found because there is a tipping point. Not sure, not going to go out and start killing people they got an answer for that one. Grassroots social non-profits (you know we love them right?) are probably the best place, i been sayin this for years americans need jobs. And we aint all home till we all home. Crowdfunding has some serious potential.
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V8driver, you did not answer the question.
Stop trying to fool other black people into thinking you answered the question when you did not.
You may be able to fool them but you cannot fool me.
Answer the question or shut up.
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@V8 and William
Thank you both.
As to thwack, he is desperate for attention. Any kind seems to do.
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thwack i don’t know how to help you understand the fact that your question is asked and answered, it’s too frustrating dealing with you, i’m sorry, man
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http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/10/02/2-white-lesbians-sue-after-becoming-pregnant-with-sperm-donated-by-black-man/
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Oh Sorry, that link was supposed to be for Thwack. the link should show what white people are unwilling to do. Instead of loving their baby, these two in the link choose to sue because, they live in a white town, they can’t do their baby’s hair and have to travel, and everybody in their family doesn’t like black people.That just about sums up what most white people are unwilling to do 🙂
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You didn’t answer the question either.
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v8driver
@thwack i wish you wouldnt imply sharina is a prostitute.
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I didn’t, you did.
And besides, prostitutes get paid.
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thwack
I am sorry those men don’t pay you for your sexual favors. Perhaps a new career is in order. 🙂
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On the topic of Ray Rice. I think when you have jobs that put you in the public eye then you run the risk of losing it. Though I agree that women should not go G.I. Jane and start hitting men, I still am not giving a pass for a knock out and a drag situation. Hope he has a back up career.
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@ King Kat
As I read the interesting article at the link you posted. Two things came to mind.
First. Don’t most (at least 75%) white people choose to live in ALL WHITE towns, neighborhoods, communities…?
Second. The lesson to “bi-racial” people (and everyone else) is: there is no such thing as bi-racial in Amerikkka.
If you are half white and half black, YOU ARE BLACK.
“The lawsuit says Cramblett also is worried about how Payton will be treated in her “all-white, and often unconsciously insensitive family.”
“Unconsciously insensitive?” That’s at least 99% of white people, in my opinion.
“The lawsuit seeks a minimum of $50,000 in damages. Cramblett’s attorney, Tim Misny, said some of the compensation would pay for ongoing counseling.”
Counseling for whom, I wonder? The white lesbian parents of a Black child, or for the black child of two white lesbian parents? It could be more messed up for the child if the child was black – and male.
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Sharina
I still am not giving a pass for a knock out and a drag situation. Hope he has a back up career.
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Yeah you’re right.
You should write an article about it for “I Don’t Have A Man” magazine; Im sure Janay would understand.
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*iggy* on ykw
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@Thwack
You keep lying to yourself. I will keep laughing.
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@thwack
Your mother never did give you any attention as a child, did she?
Whatever you’re doing here, do yourself a favor and knock it off.
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Mr, Neely Fuller Jr.’s Ten Basic Stops:
That Victims of Racism Should Practice In Speech and/or Action
1. Stop Snitching
2. Stop Name-Calling
3. Stop Cursing
4. Stop Gossiping
5. Stop Being Discourteous
6. Stop Stealing
7. Stop Robbing
8. Stop Fighting
9. Stop Killing
10. Stop Squabbling
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Mack Lyons (@DDSSBlog)
@thwack
Your mother never did give you any attention as a child, did she?
Whatever you’re doing here, do yourself a favor and knock it off.
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Relax Mr. white Knight. Its not like I knocked her out or anything…
Indeed, she’s the one that keeps following me into elevators; some women are like that but I guess you wouldn’t know?
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@ Mack
“Your mother never did give you any attention as a child, did she?”—Agreed.
@Just Me
I had to look that up and get some detail on it. Great points and agree.
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Neely Fuller knows his stuff. Much respect!!
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@thwack
I never had much respect for the so-called “Mens Rights Advocates,” as they aren’t advocating anything resembling mens rights…unless it happens to be the “right” to remain adversarial and misogynistic towards women.
You strike me as one of those fools who genuinely think they’re doing women a favor. Time to hang this gimmick up and move on.
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Hey Mack, you strike me as one of those guys who still thinks defending women’s irrational behavior is gonna get him laid.
You’re reading the book upside down.
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thwack getting laid, hmm you using rohypnol or ghb these days
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Just Me
Mr, Neely Fuller Jr.’s Ten Basic Stops:
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Another stop Francis Cress Welsing often adds is “stop littering”. Where there is trash and garbage there are always black people (and flies). I seen black people toss trash from their cars at stop lights. Ive seen black people toss trash on the ground when they are less than 4 feet away from a trash can; what is wrong with them?
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@ V8
ROFL.
Mack Lyons (@DDSSBlog)
More so the one that thinks he is doing the world a favor. At any rate he falls in the delusional category.
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“I seen black people toss trash from their cars at stop lights. Ive seen black people toss trash on the ground when they are less than 4 feet away from a trash can; …”
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Thwack,
What percentage of Black people would you say, litters?
All?
Most?
Half?
Few?
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I don’t know but it must be pretty high because concentrations of black people = concentrations of trash, debris… around.
I didn’t want to accept it until Dr. Francis Cress Welsing pointed it out to me.
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OFF TOPIC: trash and Black people.
Those who want to discuss it can take it to the Open Thread or the Don Lemon thread:
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@thwack where do you live? no, not your virtual identity.
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@Just me,Counseling for whom, I wonder? The white lesbian parents of a Black child, or for the black child of two white lesbian parents? It could be more messed up for the child if the child was black – and male.
Yes, just think about what that kid will feel like in 20 years when she googles her name and sees this!! As if she is a faulty product. My honest opinion is that they are using her to get money so they can get away from their own family displeasure with their lesbian marriage and they could not truly love or care about this little girl if they would stoop so low as to bring this lawsuit.
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just going by the facts.
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He shoulda just got out of the elevator, took the stairs, caught the next elevator or just leave and call her from somewhere saying the marriage is off. Bad sign.
I also wonder what the apparently cut out fight scene would’ve revealed about both of them and how long they fought for. Presumably I would think 90 secs or less since it’s a regular public elevator anyone can enter, unless it’s late.
Mo’Nique on the Ray Rice scandal. I’m not sure if I agree or not but it makes me think:
Just getting on the ‘ole soapbox for a moment and I don’t know who started what in this case, this is just general. Equal signs hint at related searches on Abagond’s blog. IMO if a woman STARTS SQUABBLES she is not “battered,” she’s a committer OF battery. Doesn’t being “battered” mean scared and powerless? If so how can one claim to be so when she’s going on and on and on until someone lashes back in what is then at that point self defense? Wouldn’t the person who has to take this be the abused person? I don’t like this stuff. Where the female is always assumed the helpless little victim in anything even when we know she isn’t. Which is why they both went to jail. Likewise Rihanna assaulted Chris first. It’s like the man is the =brute=, the woman the damsel in distress, the =pure woman=.
Maybe these people just don’t know what it’s like when a determined =sapphire= corners you, but I doubt Ray planned on all that stuff coming about.
I’m not siding with either of them. They’re probably both foolish.
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Ray Rice probably loves Janay because she knew him BEFORE he had money.
Now that he’s famous, he has probably seen all the gold diggers out there and feels lucky he has a woman that knew him before money.
He married Janay after the incident; now give him his job back and let him go back to work like his WIFE wants him to.
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Rachet girl attacks guy 3 times on subway. 3rd time guy delivers classic pimp slap; then pummels white knight who comes to her rescue.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czb4rImsph0#t=75)
Argument starts between big guy and girl. Girl is telling him to “get his money up” (stop being poor) and makes fun of his clothes. Girl says she wears “Steve Madden” brand clothes – camera guy says that brand is old. She slaps the phone out of the cameraman’s hands twice without a response. The big guy says “I don’t talk why you get mad” then says something inaudible and calls her a bitch. Considering that she wouldn’t be hit back again, She hits the big guy. That was a bad move because the Big Guy delivered a slap so beautiful, that it resounded throughout the video. I still hear it. The glorious sound of a grown-man-slap. Fastidiously developed by an artisan of slapping.
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Yeah, let’s not forget men’s rights. Won’t someone pleeeease think of the poor men?
It’s not like men are a privileged group with the systemic power to oppress or anything…
SMFH.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_(drug-related_amnesia)
“fragmentary i term ‘in and out'” here and elsewhere
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Buddhuu, have you ever slapped a phone out of a guys hand, even once?
Well why not?
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Well Ray Rice is eligible to play football again i hope he appreciates the second chance he has been given. And he and his wife are going on with their lives.
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thwack how many guns have been pointed at you?
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@Thwack……”The glorious sound of a grown-man-slap. Fastidiously developed by an artisan of slapping.”
Sounds like someone enjoys the masculine side of violence just a bit too much…Fantasize much Thwack?
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v8driver
thwack how many guns have been pointed at you?
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One is enough.
and to william the corruptor; you better hope we never meet in the real world; because it will be your first real beat down;
Typical white man, short arms and deep pockets.
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“…to william the corruptor; you better hope we never meet in the real world; because it will be your first real beat down;..”
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@Thwack,
Your above quote is spoken exactly like a true BLACK Criminal THUG. You know, the kind of thug that you advocate that any white police officer – or anyone else – shouldn’t have to tolerate. The sort of (unarmed) thug Black people shouldn’t have an issue with when white cops shoot/kill them – and then go unpunished.
Thwack, are you a black person?
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@Thwack….”and to william the corruptor; you better hope we never meet in the real world; because it will be your first real beat down;”
Do you really believe that you of all people intimidate me?…A man who thinks that hitting women is ORGASMIC? Your a Bully and I can guarantee everyone in this room that you have never been in a physical altercation with anyone besides your sister or your female cousins.
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Calm down people; I meant “beat down” in the theatrical sense; i.e, using words.
Direct violence is for people who run out of words.
My tongue cannot be out done.
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Even when Black women are beat up by men for doing absolutely nothing but breathing, people – particularly Black men, will still find a way to paint her as the aggressor. It’s really sad and it would make the average woman want to despise all men. I can’t really comment on Janay deciding to stay with him because I’ve never been in an abusive relationship and it’s so pathetically easy to judge.
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had another ray rice moment, its a relapse, but i just cannot drink.
males were involved in this one, up to 13 or so and also including 2 police officers, they zapped me with atavan i guess to get me in the ambluance, wow. woke up cuffed to a hospital bed, not cool
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my wife said i might as well have but did not use the n word
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Well i was thinking maybe its ptsd from my childhood or is that just evil criminality
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