Note: This US television channel is now known as BET Soul.
VH1 Soul (2000- ) is an MTV channel in America that plays classic and neo soul music videos. They also play some reggae and hip hop. “Classic” means the 1990s – SWV, not Aretha.
- Ownership: Viacom by way of MTV. Viacom also owns the black-oriented BET and Centric.
- Location: New York.
- Format: music videos.
- Viewers: ???.
- Countries: parts of the USA, Chile, ?.
Among artists with a number one hit in the past five years on the American R&B charts:
- They play: Robin Thicke, Miguel, Usher, Beyonce, Kelly Rowland, Jamie Foxx, Trey Songz, Alicia Keys, Monica, Timbaland, Melanie Fiona, Maxwell, Keri Hilson, Jeremih;
- Not: Eminem, Macklemore, 2 Chainz, Wale, Lil Wayne, Big Sean, Nicki Minaj;
- But sometimes: Jay-Z, Drake, Kanye West, Chris Brown, Rihanna.
While I was writing this post (in 2014) they were playing: The Dream, Bobby V ft Yung Joc, Mack Wilds, Jay-Z, Beyonce, Tori Kelly, Lupe Fiasco, Kid Cudi, Beyonce ft Jay-Z, Sevyn Streeter ft Chris Brown, SWV, Janet Jackson, Pharrell, Estelle ft Sean Paul, Eve ft Sean Paul.
They draw the line somewhere, somehow through hip hop: They will play Kendrick Lamar, Lupe Fiasco and Nas, for example, but never Macklemore or 2 Chainz. Nicki Minaj or Lil Wayne might appear if they are on someone else’s song. They play some hits by Jay-Z, like “Empire State of Mind” (2009), but not others, like “Niggas in Paris” (2011). MTV Jams is MTV’s main hip hop station.
They generally do not play music from before 1990. You mainly see older music when they do tributes to, say, Prince or Michael Jackson, or do a block of old school hip hop or Sade. VH1 Classic is MTV’s main oldies station.
Broadcast standards: There are few video vixens, few words that have to be blanked out. They play Robin Thicke’s “Blurred Lines” (2013) while French Montana’s “Pop That” (2012) and 2 Chainz’s “Birthday Song” (2012) would be unthinkable. Somehow they manage to present black people without resorting to cheap or degrading stereotypes. It can be done!
VH1 Soul’s glory days were in 2010 when it had no ads at all!
First Format Evolution: For a few years in the late 2000s it was moving towards non-music programming, going the way of MTV. Apparently they lost too many of the few viewers they had and went back to mainly playing music videos.
According to the ads, many in its audience:
- Have bad skin (X Out)
- Need to exercise and lose weight (Lipozene, Hip Hop Abs, Right Size smoothies)
- Need quick money (Money Mutual, Oasis Legal Finance)
- Have no bank account (Netspend card, Control pre-paid Master Card, Rush card)
- Have trouble using computers (Dragon, MyCleanPC.com)
- Date black people (BlackPeopleMeet.com).
No Flo, no geckos: Unlike much of American television, there are no car or car insurance ads.
I used to think the station was run by computer. But when Heavy D died in 2011, they knew! They also know, for example, that Brand Nubian’s “Slow Down” (1991) and “Murder She Wrote” (1994) by Chaka Demus & Pliers are alike despite coming from different styles of music.
– Abagond, 2014.
Update (2015): VH1 Soul was renamed BET Soul on December 28th.
See also:
- YouTube links to videos mentioned in the post:
- Beyoncé: Yoncé
- The BET Fallacy
- White Entertainment Television
- video vixens
I don’t have this channel I have vh1 and vh1 classic. vh1 soul sounds nice. Is it me or does the image look like a tree, but then look at it again and it kinda looks like a fro.
LikeLike
@mstoogood4yall: I thought it was clever the afro tree.
LikeLike
Those cheesy commercials with Montel Williams.
LikeLike
What does No Flo, no geckos mean?
Abagond said:
That’s quite an enviable playlist, since where I am there’s barely any Soul songs even played on the radio, let alone an accessible Channel devouted to Soul music.
LikeLike
Also don’t understand what is First Format Evolution.
I can’t find an explanation on the internet.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
no flo means the woman on the progressive car insurance commercials, and no gecko means the geico insurance gecko commercials. On black networks it always certain commercials they play that abagond listed.
LikeLike
@ mary
yeah an afro tree I thought this pic was creative. natural hair is like beautiful nature. http://matteomaggioni.altervista.org/lines/504_20130317131505_afro.jpg
LikeLike
@ Mstoogoood, thank you for explaining.
LikeLike
Good post. We don’t have this channel in the UK.
You just did this to make me jealous!
LikeLike
rihanna’s voice is pretty much my favorite right now
LikeLike
Love me some Lupe and SWV.
LikeLike
I love both VH1 Soul and the Classic version (though the latter is my most def fave of these two)! As far as the “targeted advertisements” towards their “Black” and/or POC audience are concerned-they need to quit, especially those daring to sell products for “bad skin” (snark).. Though these issues can and do exist amongst people of All types of colors, shades, etc. it must be said that the Majority of POC (especially Black) that I personally know tend to have some of the most softest, luxurious, and smooth-skin on the planet, so they can GTFOH with that (self-projecting) B.S.!!! X-D
LikeLike
I too have grown fond of Rihanna’s voice recently. Although I don’t think much of the way she presents herself anymore.
Lupe Fiasco’s “The cool” album impressed me so much I actually bought it. His song “Kick push” is such a classic already that I think he’s cemented his place in Hip hop history, with that song alone.
I began discovering SWV all over again since, like, 2012, after (in many ways) being a strictly Rock and Jazz head for a good few years. I fell back in love with R&B again, (mostly 90’s R&B). SWV’s “It’s about time” is a press play album; I don’t think I appreciated how gifted Coko is as a singer back then, especially considering that fact that I didn’t pay very much attention to any female group outside of TLC in my 90’s kiddy days. Just post the heavy New Jack Swing era, Tevin Campbell (“Goodbye” and “Can we talk?” era), SWV debut and the era of Jodeci’s “Forever My Lady” and “Diary of a mad band,” was probably one of the most innocent times in R&B/Hip hop soul.
Do you remember Shanice “It’s for you?” And Ghost town DJ’s “My boo?”
LikeLike
@Ebonymonroe: I totally agree with all of your post. To New Jack Swing was just the best in Black music in the 90’s. Rhianna’s voice is an acquired taste. She reminds me of Stevie Nick’s back in the 70’s and 80’s with Fleetwood Mac. I like a lot of her songs. The hyper sexualized business I can do without. I get it that sex sells. I love the neo soul artist. Jill Scott, and India Arie, and Erykha Badu among many others are my favorites to listen to. I wonder what happened to young Tevin Campbell. That young man had so much promise. Unfortunately, he fell of. I loved “Can We Talk.”
LikeLike
Tevin Campbell’s career fell off when he was arrested looking to purchase cr@ck c0caine and requesting 0ral s-x from an undercover police officer posed as a male prostitue. The incident came to light and it was curtains for his career.
Looove Jill Scott, her albums just get better. Crown royal, My love, Only you, Getting in the way, A long walk, The way you love me, Slowly surely; they stay on rotation.
Badu’s A child with the blues should be a Blues standard for all musicians, it’s that good, imo.
Loved New Jack Swing, All summer long, we’ve been together, and I neeever felt soo goood . . ..
LikeLike
+Rihanna takes it too far. Her Pour it up and S&M videos are ridiculous, and her new video with Shakira isn’t any better.
LikeLike
@ Ebonymonroe: I am not here for that foolishness with her and Shakira. I get it. Yes, they got hot bodies and showing off for the camera. But that has no substance to me. S&M was a fun song, silly video. I like to do my power walking to that song. I like the beat.
LikeLike
Haha — played Jill Scott’s “Whenever you’re around” just a few days ago, over and over until I was missing in action… 😀
Whatever happened to the “Refugee from across the see”, Greg Edwards?
Wall-to-wall Soul Spectrum. He just seemed to disappear from the scene.
LikeLike
@Bulanik: I am not familiar with “Refugee from across the see” Greg Edwards.
LikeLike
Laura Mvula is a lovely new artist everyone should check out. She has talent and beauty and grace.
LikeLike
@ Mary
Greg Edwards used to host a radio show called “Soul Spectrum” on Capital Radio in England during the 80s and 90s. Later he was involved in Jazz FM.
He was an American with a smokey voice.
LikeLike
@Bulanik: I had to look that up, but thanks.
LikeLike
There are some really great artist out there, I listen to a radio station that plays alternative music and rock and some blues artist. I like Laura Mvula and Valerie June.
LikeLike
Love Jazz fm. Listen whenever I get the chance. Always something incredible to discover. Last I listened, I discovered Norah Jones “Let it ride;” haven’t stopped loving it since.
LikeLike
Rihanna makes some catchy tunes and she has a distinctive, infectious voice, but all the posing nude and hyper-s-xual videos, she might as well just do soft, or even h@rdc0re p0rn.
LikeLike
@ Ebonymonroe: You said what I was thinking.
LikeLike
Viacom own errybody.
LikeLike
@ Bulanik
Flo and the gecko are car insurance ad mascots that saturate American television. So much so that their absence on VH1 Soul is noticeable.
To see what you are missing out on:
Flo:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itDejkU20Ig)
The GEICO Gecko:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiHf_IMx40s)
More info:
Flo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flo_(Progressive_Insurance)
and the gecko:
http://characters.wikia.com/wiki/The_GEICO_Gecko
LikeLike
@ Bulanik
First Format Evolution is that thing where MTV has moved away from music, the History Channel has moved away from history, the Discovery Channel has moved away from science, Fox News has moved away from news, etc. They start out serving a niche but then, to gain more viewers, move away from it, mostly in the direction of themed “reality” television.
LikeLike
@ Abagond : What you just said is very true. Those channels are not what they used to be. With reality television, It seems they all just sold out and are now promoting garbage. Thus the dumming down of America. It’s really a shame.
LikeLike
I’ve grown terribly weary of this reality show age. TV is absolutely saturated with it. The biography channel started doing this; I used to love watching documentaries about people like Rita Hayworth, Sammy Davis junior, Dorothy Dandridge, and Marilyn Monroe, but then they replaced it with, “Most haunted,” “The real housewives of . . .. everywhere,” “Pawn stars,” and “Duck dynasty.” They lost all their viewers because of it, and now the biography channel is has been axed, for good.
LikeLike
I wondered what happened to the Biography Channel, I loved it. I am so sad it’s gone.
LikeLike
I too liked and missed the Biography Channel and am fed up of ‘Reality’ TV
Do you guys have Big Brother in the U.S?
We have both ‘celebrity’ and ‘civilian’ versions – deep joy!!!!!
Though I haven’t watched for years I was disappointed that someone like Jim Davidson could win in this day and age – a comedian who made a living mocking/deriding PoC, women and the disabled
LikeLike
@Omnipresent: Yes we have that dreck here. I can’t stand it.
LikeLike
Yes reality tv has ruined a lot of channels, I used to like courtv but they changed it to trutv and show a lot of what I think to be scripted reality. Even animal planet changed from documentaries about wildlife to shows about people wrangling things and getting gold. I haven’t watch the biography channel in a minute because most of the shows are about reality tv and showing the story behind some tv shows.
I can see it now, everything will be replaced with reality tv to further dumb people down. The documentary channel was good sometimes they have interesting documentaries, that is where I first saw the documentary called what black men think and the documentary about the Tuskegee airmen ,and I loved it. But now they changed the name and now they show a lot of movies and shows.
LikeLike
I stopped watching Big Brother in the UK a few years back when I was horrified by how an Afrocentric Black female contestant, named “Heaven,” was treated by the housemates and the public. It was like watching someone being bullied over and over again.
This White girl spread a rumor about her that wasn’t true, it was on tape that she lied about what she was accusing her of stealing.
The White guys ganged up on her, the Black guy ganged up on her. She was in tears just sobbing.
Then this other White girl stole someone’s drink and the person pushed Heaven to just say who it was. Had she not, I think Heaven believed she would have been blamed. So she told the person, who promised not to say anything about Heaven telling, upon confronting the White girl. But the person immediately said Heaven said . . . and then this girl who had stolen the drink (which had been captured on camera) got in her face and began threatening and cursing at her.
On another occasion this White guy had had an argument with someone. Heaven asked him if he was alright and he began screaming at her and telling her to shut the f»»k up.
She kept being nominated, and was finally evicted. She fell down the stairs while leaving and the crowd began screaming “you fell over,” and laughing and booing her. I also noticed the presenters spoke to her terribly as well, afterwards. The presenters laughed at her African religious beliefs in herbs and healing, as well, even though she’d only mentioned it, like, once.
I had seen some things on there I hadn’t liked, but the way she was treated took the cake for me. I’d never watch it again.
LikeLike
Ebony, it sounds appalling.
Shilpa Shetty won Big Brother after similar kind of bullying in BB in 2007.
What was the different “dynamic” that lead to the cruel awfulness Heaven experienced compared to what Ms Shetty underwent but overcame?
LikeLike
@ Abagond
Thank you (and Mstoogood, earlier) for showing and explaining what you mean.
LikeLike
The gecko has an east London accent! lol.
LikeLike
The racism towards Shilpa was very obvious because of the comments that were made. Heaven was labelled “weird” and “strange” “annoying,” and was continually accused of things she never did, along with being cursed at, shouted at and intimidated. And Shilpa had one or two of the guys defend her in the house, and the public sided with her. But Heaven didn’t have anyone, not among the contestants, not the presenters, and not the public. But there was a small article in a British newspaper who did an interview with her, and it did seem to be sympathetic to how badly she was bullied.
It was really hard to watch.
LikeLike
Wow BB is really everywhere 🙂 . I remember the bullying – with Shilpa shameful. It ruined the career of the girl from s club 7. The other 2 – Jade and then Dani suffered far less though particularly Dani
LikeLike
Dani got off scott free.
LikeLike
^
*scot
LikeLike
I never saw the series with Heaven in it, but that kind of treatment I’ve seen over and over, it’s almost taken for granted to ignore that kind of mistreatment.
How did the rest get away with treating her like that? It’s sounds nasty.
I wonder if Heaven had fought back whether she would have labeled as “angry” as well. Shilpa was so much luckier than Heaven. It could have been much worse for Shilpa, Shilpa just hit the right spot, at the right time, and the chemistry was right. And, she had the whole of India behind her.
What huge, huge luck. She even won the damn contest. She’s already rich and famous and well-connected in her own country.
Heaven just had her own strength and dignity to fall back on.
That’s how bullying / racism works: it can be direct and it can be indirect
I do recall Makosi, though, the Zimbabwean contestant on BB, in contrast.
She had the row with a whilte woman, but unlike Heaven, she got support and protection.
LikeLike
A colleague of mine was always excusing it because she felt that the other 2 were jealous because they were unnatractive but Dani was too pretty to be jealous. Those nuances escaped me I must admit
LikeLike
Too pretty to be jealous? LOL.
Danielle called Shilpa a “dog”, among other things and then denied it all! She blamed Shilpa for it, saying she had brought it upon herself.
Then on top of it, Jade was mixed-race (her father is Afro-Jamaican, methinks).
There are all kinds of nuances.
LikeLike
Yes, looking back there were probably many though I am not the most observant of people. The comment I remembered because I didn’t understand the appeal myself
LikeLike
I believe they were jealous of Shilpa. The guys liked Shilpa, and she was beautiful, classy, and glamorous. I think her being all these things, and ethnic at the same time, upset them all the more. Though Jade indentified her Black heritage, she seemed to be a part of White English culture far more, to me.
They attacked her over the things she was, that bothered them: her ethnicity and her beauty.
LikeLike
@Abagond, sorry to post here, I understand it would be for the suggestions thread, but I can’t get through. I was curious about the topics of orishas, there is an art piece about it: http://www.africandigitalart.com/2013/05/yoruba-african-orishas/
As for the current reality craze, at the rate things are going 20 years from now it’ll still be going. 9 years of Kardashians and a zillion years of American Idol have led me to believe so.
LikeLike
@ $0.02: I already asked him to do a post on Marie Laveau and Tituba the first to be burned in the Salem Witch trials.
LikeLike
@mary burrell
I must admit I am very ignorant in regards to who Marie Laveau is and was not aware the person really existed until you mentioned it. I ran across the name while watching American Horror story. She was played by the beautiful Angela bassett. A post on her would be nice.
LikeLike
@ ebonymonroe,
wow I never watched big brother not the us version or the uk version, but they have dealt with racism on the big brother us one. There was a white woman saying racist things about the Asian girl and said something about why don’t she go make rice, and she said why do they always stick together, when referring to the black housemates. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/01/big-brother-amanda-zuckerman-racist_n_3691891.html
LikeLike
Oh and big brother edits out the racist comments before they put it on tv. the only way u know what they have said is internet articles.
LikeLike
I meant to post this link http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2013/07/big-brother-15-cast-racist-homophobic-slurs-captured-on-live-fee/
LikeLike
I have done posts on Marie Laveau and Shilpa Shetty:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/marie-laveau/
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2007/02/02/shilpa-shetty/
LikeLike
@ $0.02
Cool pictures! Thanks for the suggestion.
LikeLike
Ah! Just saw SWV (Sisters With Voices) – Coko, Taj and Lelee from New York City, live at the Cape Town International Jazz Festival. Still going strong. Loved “I’m So Into You” “Weak” and “Downtown”. Didn’t get to hear their remix “Right Here/Human Nature and ‘Ain’t No Man”.
Learnt that they are one of the best-selling female R&B groups of all time.
LikeLike
I need help it was a song I believe from 2011 the guy must of been an acoustic neo soul artist now around the time of Lotus Flower Bomb dropping his latest single was out and there was a video the album I believe was 13 songs he had dreads had a Bobby Womack sound and he dropped a album in 2007 as well VH1 Soul had his song in rotation for a long time in between that period of 2011-2013
LikeLike