TJ Holmes (1977- ) is an American news reporter and presenter for CNN.
On this blog at the end of 2009 he was voted the ninth most gorgeous man in the world, coming in fourth among black men. Upscale magazine named him Maleman of the month in August 2008. Danielle Belton, on her blog The Black Snob, awarded him the 2008 Ed Bradley Award for Journalistic Hotness.
It is unknown what TJ stands for. He says it is just what his family called him growing up.
He joined CNN in 2006. He has covered news events like the Mumbai bombing (2008), the Virginia Tech shooting (2007) and the hanging of Saddam Hussein (2006).
His regular beat these days is the newsroom: you can see him presenting the news on CNN Saturday and Sunday mornings. Sometimes he fills in for Rich Sanchez during the week.
He was born in West Memphis, Arkansas. He went to the University of Arkansas, where he fell in love with television news. He liked the live element of it and has not looked back since. From there he worked his way up as a television news reporter and presenter, first in Joplin, Missouri, then Little Rock, Arkansas, then he did the weekday five o’clock news on the NBC station in San Francisco. After three years there he came to CNN.
Holmes on racism: as a local news reporter it has hurt him to see stories of interest to blacks get killed time and again. It is not that the editors are bad people but, being white, they do not see the world the same way as blacks or find the same things interesting. That means the news does not show the world as it is. He says that will change if more blacks and others, not just white men, to go into news reporting.
On a personal level he says he has been called the n-word, but he sees those people as ignorant losers. More generally he says:
I don’t necessarily consider most people racist. I have, however, seen a lot of racial bias. What I mean by that is people don’t hate me because of the color of my skin, but they simply don’t see me as an equal. Some may say that by not seeing me as an equal, that’s the very definition of racism. Rather, I believe people have so many misconceptions and preconceived notions about black people. They make assumptions based on the color of my skin.
He gives an example of washing his car: one time a white man came up to him and asked if he was a football player. Holmes is not built like a football player, but for the white man that was overridden by Holmes being a black man owning a nice car.
He once dated Rozonda “Chili” Thomas, the C of TLC. He is set to marry Marilee Fiebig (pictured right) in March 2010. She is an Atlanta lawyer.
He likes Twizzlers and Mike and Ikes. And “The Drum Major Instinct” (1968) by Martin Luther King.
See also:
- The Black Snob’s gallery
- “The Drum Major Instinct” by Martin Luther King(
- The ten most gorgeous men in the world
- Amy Holmes – also of CNN but no relation as far as I know
- The press
I never heard of TJ Holmes until he was nominated in the ten most gorgeous men in the world post. He’s mighty sexy. I’ve started watching CNN because of him. His wife-to-be is really pretty.
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Great picture! Fiance is very pretty. Thanks, Abagond, for the fun facts about Twizlers and Mike and Ikes. Good to know.lol
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Out of curiousity, what exactly is Holmes’ appeal?
I find him to be a somewhat mediocre reporter. I remember watching him talk with his finger in his mouth on one telecast. He also seems to mispronouce words from time to time. No hate. It’s just an observation.
I notice that the black male reporters on CNN seem to have a similar look. Why you do you guys think this is?
His fiancee appears a bit racially ambigious.
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omg he is SO fine!
Yeah there is another black reporter on CNN that looks like an older version of him. I thought it was his dad or something lol
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I think, well for me, the appeal is that he is very clean cut with an overall classic handsome good look. I’ve never seen his broadcast, but how do you talk with your finger in your mouth during the broadcast? Kinda bizzare.
Yes, the black guys do have a similar look. Don Lemon is one example. They want someone to appeal to the masses.
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That sounds very similar to something I said recently. Racism more often than not has nothing to do with hate. It has more to do with not having equal respect and value for black people.
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Yes, TJ Holmes! I was waiting on this one.
Out of curiousity, what exactly is Holmes’ appeal?
mynameismyname, he has beautiful bone structure and a clean cut look. He appears to be well-educated and well-mannered as well. Personally, I think he is hot. But I like him with a lower haircut than the one pictured.
I remember watching him talk with his finger in his mouth on one telecast. He also seems to mispronouce words from time to time. No hate. It’s just an observation.
Oh really? I hadn’t noticed that. Maybe I was too busy looking at his face :D. When he is off the air he seems to speak in this lower, more relaxed, less affected voice which is much more attractive to me than that newcaster voice he does at times.
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islandgirl,
I think, well for me, the appeal is that he is very clean cut with an overall classic handsome good look.
…Great minds! I typed my response out before seeing yours.
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LOL, so Holmes has a classic “clean cut, educated” appeal.
How do Lemon and Holmes appeal to the masses in a way that other black men don’t? Are there degress of blackness?
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There’s a Youtube video of Holmes talking about his career in broadcasting. He does the “finger in the mouth” manuever in that clip. It’s so unprofessional.
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mynameismyname, come on, you know they aren’t ready for a Wesley Snipes or Samuel L. Jackson on CNN. 😀
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LOL, Natasha
But Wesley and Sam especially look like most black men.
So, “they” prefer black people who don’t look like the vast majority? If so, what does that mean?
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Omg, what I would give to be that finger! 😉
The “finger in the mouth” maneuver happens on 0:37. lol!
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mynameismyname,
It depends on what part of the country you live in that determines what a typical black man looks like.
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I also don’t see Samuel L Jackson as having similar looks as Wesley Snipes.
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Hathor, I was more referring to skin color and perceived personality than actual appearance.
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holmes says:
“Holmes on racism: as a local news reporter it has hurt him to see stories of interest to blacks get killed time and again.”
News is a segment of TV broadcasting that is dependent on ratings. Thus, decisions about which items to show and which to drop are affected by the size of the anticipated audience.
He says:
“It is not that the editors are bad people but, being white, they do not see the world the same way as blacks or find the same things interesting.”
In other words, he sees the world in terms of race and he would prefer race-based editing decisions, even if ratings declined and lay-offs of news-staff employees followed.
He said:
“That means the news does not show the world as it is.”
Really? So he believes the only true perspective on the world is the world seen through black eyes. Wow. This guy is the walking talking definition of bias.
He said:
“He says that will change if more blacks and others, not just white men, to go into news reporting.”
Earlier, Holmes blamed the purported newsroom anti-black racism on white EDITORS. This means he believes blacks do not rise from reporting jobs to editing positions. What’s the basis for this belief?
That’s not to say he’s wrong. But the lack of black editors is obviously a function of the lack of black news reporters. Not a lack of on-air people, but a lack of those who are out gathering the news.
Meanwhile, every TV news bureau has on-air people of all races. These days, when it comes to the talking heads, whites are probably under-represented.
He said:
“I don’t necessarily consider most people racist. I have, however, seen a lot of racial bias. What I mean by that is people don’t hate me because of the color of my skin, but they simply don’t see me as an equal.”
Maybe they heard him say he thinks “That means the (white) news does not show the world as it is.”
He said:
“I believe people have so many misconceptions and preconceived notions about black people.”
I gather he means WHITES have many misconceptions and preconceived notions about blacks. Thus, he has now declared himself a mindreader. A mindreader who specializes in reading the minds of whites.
He said:
“They make assumptions based on the color of my skin…He gives an example of washing his car: one time a white man came up to him and asked if he was a football player.”
It’s fascinating that he thinks a complimentary question was based on his race rather than some general physical characteristics. This guy has race on his brain.
Then:
“Holmes is not built like a football player…”
Not built like a football player? Says who? The preceding statement implies that ALL pro football players are huge freaks with steroid-enhanced muscles. Even a casual observer of the game knows there are smaller players.
To be called the ninth most gorgeous man in the world and to have an on-air TV job, he clearly has a trim athletic look. Based on his photo above, if he is six feet tall, an observer would likely think athletics has a role in his life. Thus, the problem here is in the mind of the person who declared that Holmes is not built like a football player and Holmes, who seems to have gotten a compliment but wants to twist it into a racial issue.
Maybe it bothered him that he was not recognized as a face on TV.
Then:
“…but for the white man that was overridden by Holmes being a black man owning a nice car.”
Wow. Paranoia in overdrive.
If Holmes had had the presence of mind to ask the white man why he thought Holmes was a football player, we would have his response to consider. Instead, we have noting except the unsupported imaginings of Holmes and the writer.
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wow he is very sexy!
CNN has some hot employees.. TJ Holmes, Anderson cooper..
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Natasha,
What personality do you think the “typical”-appearing black man (like the Wesleys/Sams) would be seen as having opposed to the black males that are currently on CNN? And why?
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mynameismyname,
I have no idea of the “true” personalities of these men, but because of the roles they have been cast in/the vibe they give off, they would probably be seen as more aggressive and threatening. And a built, darker-skinned black man tends to be seen as a threat. I’ll just quote something one white guy said, while semi-joking (or so he says): “Come on… who would you rather see walking towards you in a dark alley at night — a black guy or an Asian or white guy?
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Natasha,
I get you! Do you personally see a built, “darker skinned” (regular?) black man as a threat? Do you see a black man who is thin and “lighter as less of a one? If so, why? I’m just curious.
A lot of white people feel like that gentleman above, yet Holmes is a black man, no? So, wouldn’t said white man be afraid of seeing him in a dark alley opposed to the white and East Asian man?
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I get you! Do you personally see a built, “darker skinned” (regular?) black man as a threat?
Oh, not at all. Both my father and brother are taller brown-skinned men and they have the most easygoing and gentle personalities. But I’ve seen that others tend to be threatened by them until they get to know them well. Even other black men… I had a black guy say he was afraid to approach me because my “boyfriend (he thought my brother was my boyfriend)” looked like he would “kick his a**.”
A lot of white people feel like that gentleman above, yet Holmes is a black man, no? So, wouldn’t said white man be afraid of seeing him in a dark alley opposed to the white and East Asian man?
Like I mentioned, TJ Holmes has a very clean cut, presentable appearance (as per society’s standards). So I don’t know if they would be as threatened by him. They might be though. I don’t know. But I think lighter coloring in general tends to be considered more feminine and thus less threatening; I read once that blond men are considered less masculine than their darker-haired counterparts so it might be the same phenomenon at play.
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LOL, perhaps your father and brother both have a “tough” look.
Interesting point about Holmes, but doesn’t say, Taye Diggs, also have a very clean cut, presentable appearance and public image? Do you think would he be seen as a threat?
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A lot of people repeat the “lighter skin=feminine” theory. Perhaps, that’s why some people like to stereotype black females as being “less feminine”. Yet, how come dark skinned non-black women don’t get the same stereotype? Again, is it an issue of skin color or an issue with blackness?
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LOL, perhaps your father and brother both have a “tough” look.
I guess they do. My father has a naturally muscular build and my brother works out regularly. And they are both pretty quiet, so maybe they give off “the silent, but deadly” vibe. 😀
Interesting point about Holmes, but doesn’t say, Taye Diggs, also have a very clean cut, presentable appearance and public image? Do you think would he be seen as a threat?
I see where you’re going with this. And Kermit does have a clean cut appearance. Maybe CNN should hire him and see how that goes? Nah, he’s too black, still. 😉
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LOL, Natasha.
I feel that it’s a sad state of affairs when putting a black man who looks like a black man on a shoddily-rated cable news network is perceived as a liability. Don’t you think? Should we be fighting this or just accept it?
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mynameismyname, yes, it is sad. I think it will take a while before black men who look like your everyday black man will find success in the media without having to be cast into the “stereotypical” role. I would fight it, but how? People are comfortable with the way things are.
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mynameismyname,
I wouldn’t say all TV markets are the same, a public TV station, in my area, has Black news people that are the same color as Harold Ford Jr and Wesley Snipes. In my market it is mostly brown skinned Black folk, both men and women. They all have that “School of Broadcasting” look and sound, black or white, that is what TV requires.
If you ever look at Chinese TV news, they look and sound the same, even though the language is Chinese (probably Cantonese). The hairdo, well trim cut, intonation and expression; all the same.
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I think TJ and men like him are seen as less of a threat because they have ‘honest faces’. Maybe almost ‘babyish’. There was a study that said that baby faced people are more trusted. Don Lemon has that ‘babyish’ face as well.
On the other hand, Ice T is as light as they come, but he is threatening because he has a more threatening face.
Usher is dark, but white people that I associate with love him. And want to marry their daughters off to him.lol He has that baby face.
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Good point, islandgirl. But does TJ have a baby face? I don’t usually think men with baby faces are attractive (who wants a baby for a man? :)), but I think he is attractive. His bone structure is pretty strong.
And Usher is dark? Hmmm. I thought he was more medium-toned.
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I think he does because he has very large eyes and when he smiles, he looks like a little boy.
Oh, I love men with baby faces or ones who have a boyish look. They’re cute.
To me, Usher is dark. I guess everyone has there own perceptions.
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natasha w, you wrote:
“I’ll just quote something one white guy said, while semi-joking (or so he says): “Come on… who would you rather see walking towards you in a dark alley at night — a black guy or an Asian or white guy?”
The “white guy” was Jesse Jackson. And he was serious.
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I have a baby face! LOL.
Natasha,
Actually, most of the black men (and women) I see in the media DO look like your everyday black man. You even mentioned two of the most successful, Mr. Snipes and Sam L. I find CNN’s most recent choice in black hires to be curious since their most successful black reporter was Bernard Shaw. He looked like an “everyday brotha”. None of their current “black” personalities haven’t reached his heights.
Islandgirl,
Would you say Dennis Haybert has a baby face? He was recently voted as the most trusted man in America.
I agree about Ice T. His gangsta rap persona and street aura would give off a “threatening” vibe to those to look at black men in such a way.
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Natasha,
Actually, most of the black men (and women) I see in the media DO look like your everyday black man. You even mentioned two of the most successful, Mr. Snipes and Sam L.
Right, I get that. I just meant in terms of the roles they play. Don’t you find their roles to be very stereotypical? Those like Morris Chestnut, Taye Diggs, or Omar Epps mainly star in black films or play the token black guy.
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Taye Diggs actually has his own show where he plays a doctor.
What about Denzel (and Will, too), the most bankable black (or non-black) man in Hollywood? His role as a bad guy in Training Day was a famous departure for him.
Where I asked about the similarities in looks for black CNN reporters, I was questioning CNN’s mindset specifically. Other networks have no problem hiring black reporters who look like the black people we see in the real world everyday.
TJ Holmes, himself, has a so-so career at CNN. Other than the aforementioned Mr. Shaw, most black reporters don’t really seem to advance at CNN. It seems like the higher-ups don’t know what to do with them. While the Anderson Coopers (the son of Gloria Vanderbilt, for crying out loud!) and Larry Kings are glorified to the heavens. CNN’s “diversity” is a big ol’ front.
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Kermit does have his own show… how is that doing? I think I remember hearing one of his shows was canceled early on? Not sure if that was his show or another black actor’s. I don’t really follow his career.
Denzel and Will seem sort of like exceptions to me. They, along with Halle Berry, are always mentioned as proof that Hollywood is inclusive of people of all backgrounds. But is one or two black people making it through the cracks proof of that? I don’t know. I just think there are many great black actors and actresses out there that aren’t acknowledged.
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leigh204
I never heard of TJ Holmes until he was nominated in the ten most gorgeous men in the world post.
Same here! But that was a good thing, because it was easier to me to judge his appearance. If I think a guy is not a good actor, for example, it’s impossible for me to like him, even if he’s handsome. I didn’t have this problem with Holmes.
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Out of curiousity, what exactly is Holmes’ appeal?
I can only speak for myself. I like his smile. Nice hands. His face is masculine, but beautiful. He looks mature, yet youngish (I don’t know how to explain it).
On the other hand, there were more gorgeous men on the list. Holmes is gorgeous, no doubt, but I find many other men (who didn’t make top 10) more handsome. Maybe it’s just me.
Why? Well, simple reason- I didn’t find his eyes soft enough. I know this might be a really stupid reason, but in a situation where you have to make a quick list, you must take any stupid detail into account.
Also (and this isn’t exactly Holmes’ fault), he is perhaps too “classically handsome”. In terms of appearance, I think I like more relaxed, casual look, even a bit messy (But hey, he works on TV, he has a dress code and everything. So yes, I do understand. Maybe I just don’t like elegant men).
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I agree. Hollywood is very racist. Yet, I can’t say that there is a shortage of black talent (on and off-screen). Now, I do think that there could stand to be way more oppurtunties for black actors (females, in particular) but I cannot say that a fair variety of black folks are unrepresented in any aspect of the entertainment business.
Okay, when you mentioned “Kermit” earlier in this thread, I actually thought that you were referring to the Sesame Street character! That’s your personal nickname for brother Diggs! LOL. How clever. I’m not fan of TD’s either, but I applaud him for making moves in Hollywood. It’s hard for ANY actor, let alone a non-white one.
From your experience, do the white people in your life (or around you), your mate in particular, seem to have these types of biases against black people?
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Taye Diggs annoys me for some reason. He seems like someone I would not get along with in real life. And he does he not resemble our dear friend Kermit the Frog?
From your experience, do the white people in your life (or around you), your mate in particular, seem to have these types of biases against black people?
Yes, some do. Particularly the ones who come from upper class backgrounds or all-white towns where the closest black person is on BET.
My SO does have a skewed view of black people in some ways, but he is very open-minded and (mostly) stays away from pigeonholing people based on color. When he does make biased comments, I am patient with him because I know he comes from a town that is 95 percent white and only about 1 percent black and those black people live in the impoverished “bad side” of town. Also, he’d never been involved with a black woman before me, so he doesn’t have much firsthand knowledge of the whole “black experience.” He is a pretty well-read type and he likes to research topics, so he’ll sometimes make comments based on that. For example, he believes that black men are stronger, on average, than other men. That’s his conclusion, based on what’s he read and perceived. And sometimes he just makes eyebrowing raising comments from out of nowhere like the one he made on our first date — “You don’t seem like the average black woman.” I’ll save the rest of that story for the “Stuff white men say to black women” post when I get to it, but I’m pretty sure you can guess what he meant by that. But he isn’t bad. Just isn’t aware of some things. I’m helping him gradually, Rome wasn’t built in a day. 🙂
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“And sometimes he just makes eyebrowing raising comments”
Should be “eyebrow-raising”
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Hmm…I’m not sure if I could comfortably date a non-black woman who says things like “you don’t seem like the typical black (or non-white) man”. If she were to say that, I would know exactly where her mind is at. But to each their own.
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@Natasha W
“You don’t seem like the average black woman.” I’ll save the rest of that story for the “Stuff white men say to black women” post when I get to it, but I’m pretty sure you can guess what he meant by that.
I’d love to read your comment on that post, and hear about your experience. I have no idea what “don’t seem like the average black woman” means. All I can sense it’s a badly-worded compliment, based on some ugly stereotype about black women.
I’m helping him gradually, Rome wasn’t built in a day.
It’s good to hear this. Like I said elsewhere, I support interracial relationships and it’s nice to read comments like this one. Not that there’s something wrong in same-race relationships, but I’m glad to hear there are people who are open and honest about dating person of a different race, even if it requires patience, and ability to learn and listen. 🙂
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mynameismyname,
Hmm…I’m not sure if I could comfortably date a non-black woman who says things like “you don’t seem like the typical black (or non-white) man”. If she were to say that, I would know exactly where her mind is at. But to each their own.
To be honest, I’d heard that a few times before so although it was odd to hear that from him so soon, it wasn’t earth-shattering. But we did have a long and drawn out “getting to know each other” period where we discussed all of these issues. I was hesitant because I didn’t want to end up with someone that had all these biased notions about people who look like me. Later on we discussed this and although he put up a little fight at first, saying that he would not think anything of it if I had said to him “You don’t seem like the average white guy,” in the end he did sincerely apologize for making that comment (and subsequent comments).
I’d love to read your comment on that post, and hear about your experience. I have no idea what “don’t seem like the average black woman” means. All I can sense it’s a badly-worded compliment, based on some ugly stereotype about black women.
I’ll try to write that comment tonight. But if I don’t, I’ll definitely have it written by the end of the week. I’m actually supposed to be out with him now… m
It’s good to hear this. Like I said elsewhere, I support interracial relationships and it’s nice to read comments like this one. Not that there’s something wrong in same-race relationships, but I’m glad to hear there are people who are open and honest about dating person of a different race, even if it requires patience, and ability to learn and listen.
Thanks for your encouragement! It does mean a lot of to me. Most of my family/friends frown on our relationship, but the pros of the relationship far outweigh the cons. If I hadn’t given him the chance I would have missed out on someone so special, one who has become my best friend and confidante.
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Don’t mind my typos… I have a hard time proofreading comments on my laptop.
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I think TJ Holmes is cute, though I tend to prefer darker-skinned Black men (out of all Black men). I think is appeal is that he is very clean-cut and professional looking (I love a man with a fade :-P), and he has a nice jawline, which I like as well. Unlike Islandgirl, I’m not into the babyfaced guys, yet we both agree TJ is attractive…go figure. 🙂
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Jasmin, your preferences seem more “in line” with most of the black women I know. Hence why the “most gorgeous men” list on this blog seemed odd. Other than Idris, all the classic “black female favorites” (a la Denzel, Morris, LL, etc.) were strangely absent. I know that it’s thought that many non-blacks voted in this contest but I do believe that the voters were largely black.
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I don’t know. Didn’t Abagond mention there were many votes from Asia?
And it’s not just about voters. Women who nominated these guys were mostly black. I think Leigh and I were the only exceptions. I might be mistaken here, though.
PS-I like babyfaced guys… with nice jawline.
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Mmm, LL… 😛
I would guess that preferences don’t necessarily reflect reality. I love chocolate men but my boyfriend is White (and not a darker-skinned White person), so go figure. What you think you like and who you attract (ostensibly based on those “likes”), can be very different, I suppose.
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That’s so true. What most people “prefer” is usually not what they end up with!
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Myname,
You have a babyface? I bet you have to beat the girls off.lol I love boyish good looks!
No, Dennis does not. But I guess there are exceptions to everything.
I agree with Natasha, Taye Diggs annoys me for some reason.
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Islandgirl,
I never had a problem getting female attention, so maybe! LOL.
I’m not a fan of Taye Diggs either. Him, Cuba Gooding, Jr. and Tiger Woods have always annoyed me. I seriously think that it may be because they seem to have a similar vibe, if you catch my drift. And they have the nerve to be Capricorns!!! They’re not making us look good! 🙂
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I will never understand people who have preferences when it comes to looks lol. I think when I look at a person’s face it is bone structure more so than facial feautures. Beautiful bone structure transcends people of all races to me. I think TJ Holmes is accepted because he has a very non- threatening face. He brings White people comfort lol. I think some White people can be very divisive on how they treat Black people. On who looks more like more like me, so I can feel more comfortable in my racism type of shit.
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I’m so glad I’m not the only one who finds Taye Diggs annoying. Uggh! he is so corny. I think I have a very non-threatening face don’t ya think? lol Until I open up my mouth.
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Dani,
I agree. Do you think that it may be human nature, in some ways? Why wouldn’t some whites feel more comfortable around a black who is visibly part white (ie Mr. Holmes) opposed to one who is just plainly black (ie the vast majority of black Americans)? Maybe by this warped POV, the visible “white blood” is supposed to temper that bad “black blood”! LOL. It’s so sick but understandable on some level. At the end of the day, it all comes right back to the pro-white/anti-black sentiment that this country was built on. And it annoys me when I hear or see blacks, or non-whites, buy into that crap and repeat it…like some did on this thread.
Diggs is a straight cornball, just like Gooding, Jr. and Woods. That’s why the mainstream media celebrates those guys. They are the type of blacks they like to display. They’re not going to play up the Tyler Perrys and Mary J. Bliges. Why? They make millions selling mainly to and for other blacks and could care less about white validation.
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mynameismyname,
In some ways yes but mostly no. I think some people do feel comfortable with people who resemble them the most and it brings comfort because you feel like you are not alone. However, I think most White people who think that way, are just being racist. If you can’t accept a Black person and their physical appearance then just don’t. Sitting here trying to dissect Blackness to bring comfort in your own racism while proving you are not racist is just arrogant, condescending and divisive. That’s why I don’t buy that whole argument some Black people say. “White people only see Black” that’s not entirely true. Harry Reid’s comments alone made me realize that White people still practice colorism just as much as some Black people do lol. I just feel that some White people who dissect Blackness are not really accepting the person. It’s like “Well the person is Black but not so Black, so therefore I’m not racist because I’m befriending a Black person” It’s just wrong to think that.
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I must admit I do have preferences. It’s not that I never dated guys who don’t match my preference, but when it comes to celebrities (or any other people you see only on photos, TV or films), I tend to notice only some “types” of men and not the others.
I am not sure if colourism make white people more comfortable around light skinned black people. It makes no sense, but I believe you: it could be the case.
Any sort of person can be violent, mean, etc; it has nothing to do with skin colour. White people are not really peaceful folks, and yet, their skin is lightest.
Speaking of TJ Holmes: I had no idea he’s “part white”. Is he considered light skinned?
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Dani,
I agree 100% with your previous comment. I actually said the same thing in the “Halle Berry is not the most beautiful…” post.
Mira,
It’s a not a real comfort, as Dani pointed out, but a self-serving, white supremacist attitude.
Judging people by their skin color is completely irrational. It makes no sense and is extremely infallible. Yet, white colonists have founded a whole world around these inane ideas.
That’s the point–Holmes, has two black parents, but in the mind of many, because he is lighter than most other blacks, he’s thought of as “part white”. Notice that I typed, “visibly part white”. Most black folks are “part white” but Dani and I were referring to the difference in perception towards those who are VISIBLY SO.
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Oh, you’re right. My mistake.
I don’t know what makes “light skinned” black person and who is considered “dark skinned”. I just wanted to point how insanely the whole thing sounds. Like I said, I believe you and Dani; I believe your words and your experience. Still, it doesn’t make much sense for (white) people to react this way. Like I said, white people have the lightest skin colour there is, and yet, they aren’t really proved to be peaceful and non-violent- so why would dark skin be threatening or aggressive?
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I don’t prescribe to the whole “light/dark” thing with black people either. Seriously. All black folks look pretty dark to me.
But I’m glad that you see how friggin’ stupid and pointless the whole thing is! It makes no sense, right?
And yes, whites have the longest history of violence and animalistic behavior, so it also beyond me how blacks or anyone else are supposed to the “enemy”. Again, see, how stupid and irrational this type of thinking is? Now, you see why it annoys me when I hear someone who should know better (i.e. a non-white person) repeating it.
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Mira,
Ding! Ding! Ding! You just figured out how irractional racism and colorism is. And to think that people will not try to dismantle the white supremacist mind set but will try to find ways to comfort it because it hurts to be guilty and in denial.
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“And yes, whites have the longest history of violence and animalistic behavior, so it also beyond me how blacks or anyone else are supposed to the “enemy”. Again, see, how stupid and irrational this type of thinking is? Now, you see why it annoys me when I hear someone who should know better (i.e. a non-white person) repeating it.”
I think it has alot to do with how the media frames the issue. The local news media in the US give a great deal of coverage to violence in urban areas and often show pictures of the (oftentimes) black or Hispanic assailants as part of the story. Reporters don’t note that these types of crimes are rare, tend to only take place in a few problem-filled areas, and almost never have white victims. Nevertheless, I think that many white viewers come to associate these crimes with all minorities and start seeing non-white men in general as potential threat to be avoided. This is a contributing factor to residential segregation, racial profiling, discrimination by taxi drivers, and so on. I sense that most white racism is very visceral in this way. It’s not intellectual or conspiratorial at all.
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dani,
I think when I look at a person’s face it is bone structure more so than facial feautures. Beautiful bone structure transcends people of all races to me.
Same. Except I include eyes and balance/proportion of features in my assessment.
That’s why when everyone (read: white people) was making a big deal of Tiger Woods cheating on his “gorgeous” wife Elin, I didn’t understand the gorgeous part. She has a very square jaw/head that doesn’t allow me to regard her as beautiful. Even my SO thinks she isn’t good-looking, and he is of Swedish descent just as she is.
mynameismyname,
I don’t prescribe to the whole “light/dark” thing with black people either. Seriously. All black folks look pretty dark to me.
What about people around Alicia Keys’ coloring? Do you consider them dark?
And I was going to ask the same of you — if you knew of TJ Holmes’ ethnic background and if he had a white parent. I didn’t think he did, because I know black people who have similar coloring and have only black parents and grandparents. I got confused by the “visibly white” part of your sentence.
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FG,
That’s true. Yet, I think what really drives the white fear of blacks is guilt. They know the violent history of oppression that whites have set upon blacks and fear retribution on some level. Many times, when race comes up, whites will bring up slavery somewhat out of nowhere. That they do this reveals a lot.
Natasha,
I agree about Elin. She never was attractive to me. Yet, she was extremely Nordic. And to Tiger and white America as a whole, that automatically automatic beauty.
Of course, someone like Keys is fair skinned. (She’s pale as a ghost in person. She’s tanned and/or bronzed in most of the photos you’ve seen of her. Ditto with Matthew Knowles’ oldest daughter.) I can differentiate between a black person who is lighter than usual. LOL. But still, in most cases, what’s light for a black person is still fairly dark.
When someone, black or white, sees a black person that they perceive as light skinned, they essentially think of them as being “mixed” on some level. That’s what drives the western version of “colorism” against blacks. One black’s “visible whiteness” is supposed to elevate them over one who is “plainly black”. Their visible “whiteness” is supposed to make them have all of the “white traits” of beauty, intelligence, and as you and some others opined above about Holmes, trustworthiness, etc.
Reversibly, for the vast majority of black people, who are not “visibly part white” in particular, they are perceived as possessing the “black traits”, which are supposed to be the opposite of the mostly positive white traits. You know this! You were just repeating it above! LOL.
At the end of the day, it’s all a bunch of crap. And no black person really benefits from this hateful, anti-black arrangement. Yet, as we can tell, this whole “light/dark” thing is really just a fufillment of the racial hierarchy that whites have constructed since the days the slave ships arrived on U.S. land. One that privileges whiteness and deintergates blackness.
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mynameismyname,
At the end of the day, it’s all a bunch of crap. And no black person really benefits from this hateful, anti-black arrangement. Yet, as we can tell, this whole “light/dark” thing is really just a fufillment of the racial hierarchy that whites have constructed since the days the slave ships arrived on U.S. land. One that privileges whiteness and deintergates blackness.
Amen! It’s just very divisive and harmful. I like how you said no one benefits from the anti-Black arrangement because some Black people think Lighter skin Blacks get treated better. I think they are tolerated more. Which that should not be treated as good thing because they are still not fully accepted as person.
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Yep I do not think Elin and his jumpoffs were attractive at all. They were white/Blonde so by default they are attractive. Which is some White supremacist logic I have ever heard.
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“When someone, black or white, sees a black person that they perceive as light skinned, they essentially think of them as being “mixed” on some level. That’s what drives the western version of “colorism” against blacks. One black’s “visible whiteness” is supposed to elevate them over one who is “plainly black”. Their visible “whiteness” is supposed to make them have all of the “white traits” of beauty, intelligence, and as you and some others opined above about Holmes, trustworthiness, etc.”
I’m not sure if color is all their is to it. White Americans seem to have a better opinion of black immigrants from Africa and the West Indies than they do of African Americans, even though the latter are in most cases lighter than the former. Much has to do with the perceived culture of the individual.
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Dani,
You know that’s right! I agree, wholeheartedly, some “visibly white” black Americans and black immigrants, are tolerated, not accepted. Big difference.
The same racism that traditional black Americans get also affects the “different and acceptable” blacks negatively just as much. Even if they don’t realize it.
FG,
My previous remark two paragraphs ago in this comment, pretty much sums my response to what you said. There is truth in your perspective. Yet, if they can’t accept a Native African’s western descendants, then they don’t truly accept them either. Even if by their twisted logic, they’re more “acceptable”.
Also, black Americans, West Indians and Native African immigrants are mostly physically indistinguishable. So, I’m not sure a white person will differentiate at first glance.
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(She’s pale as a ghost in person. She’s tanned and/or bronzed in most of the photos you’ve seen of her. Ditto with Matthew Knowles’ oldest daughter.)
Beyonce over-bleached? 🙂
I don’t see a black person with lighter skin and assume they are mixed. That would just be ignorant — it’s obvious that black people range in complexion. A look at a black family portrait will show you that. But I’ve come to understand that people do this, in a really big way. Many people have just flat out disregarded the notion that my sister and I could be of pure W. African origin — we have to be mixed in order to have lighter skin. Very interesting…
Yep I do not think Elin and his jumpoffs were attractive at all. They were white/Blonde so by default they are attractive. Which is some White supremacist logic I have ever heard.
Right… blonde=hot. This might be irrational, but any time someone elevates blonde as the epitome of beauty, my respect for them declines.
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Speaking of Beyonce, I have heard White people deblack her as well. Her and Rihanna because they are light skin lol. These women look very Black in their appearance to me. Especially Rihanna. Natasha W. It’s sad that people today believe that Blackness is a human stain.
Frustrated Guy,
That’s a good point. However, it still proves me and myname’s point about how divisive that is. Many White people pin West Indians and Africans against African-Americans to prove that Blacks from the Dispora are “better” than us because they don’t talk about race, they do not whine and complain and blame the man, and they are far more superior in intelliegence. They only think this way when its beneficial though. However, they still have ignorant thoughts about Africa, and West Indians. It’s just down right evil to pin us against each other like this. Sadly many fall for it.
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“At the end of the day, it’s all a bunch of crap. And no black person really benefits from this hateful, anti-black arrangement. Yet, as we can tell, this whole “light/dark” thing is really just a fufillment of the racial hierarchy that whites have constructed since the days the slave ships arrived on U.S. land. One that privileges whiteness and deintergates blackness.”
You’re right. Lighter people will not gain parity with whites unless darker people also achieve equality.
“Also, black Americans, West Indians and Native African immigrants are mostly physically indistinguishable. So, I’m not sure a white person will differentiate at first glance.”
I’m not sure. I meet Ghanaians and Nigerians on a daily basis and hardly ever come across African Americans as dark as they are.
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dani, I was going to mention that, but I thought it would be going too far off-topic. I’ve heard people say that Beyonce is multiracial and I’m dumbfounded — she has two clearly black parents.
Natasha W. It’s sad that people today believe that Blackness is a human stain.
dani, yes, it is completely disheartening. Few things pierce my heart deeply, but the way blacks and blackness is viewed in American society nearly brings me to tears at times. And that some blacks have internalized this message and believe that they are less than others; there are few sociological issues that are depressing as that.
frustrated guy
I’m not sure. I meet Ghanaians and Nigerians on a daily basis and hardly ever come across African Americans as dark as they are.
Oh boy… not this again. This is getting slightly off-topic, so I’m going to refer you to the post “Melyssa Ford.” This was discussed extensively there. And I added my views as one who grew up amongst Ghanaians and Nigerians of all colors.
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Yes, Tulio also informed us how dark Africans are.
I used to have a neighbour from Ghana. She was not dark at all.
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I think White Americans feel “more comfortable” with immigrants from Africa and the West Indies because white guilt does not come into play as much. But whites are most certainly still racist against them.
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abagond, I must be the one who is deluded. Because to nearly everyone else, W. Africans are darker than blacks and darker in general. There are some W. Africans who are dark, but on average, I wouldn’t say they are much darker than black Americans. Since I’ve been in the South, I’ve been called “redbone” and asked if I was mixed more times than I care to recall. So I really question people who make remarks like that. Could it be that it is just their bias — they are expecting Africans to be dark (as portrayed in the media) so every time one is, it registers in their brain while the times where this is not the case are forgotten? Seems like that might be what’s happening.
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I think so.
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I honestly thought Africans (in general) are darker than African Americans.
But now when I think about it, I think I know why I had this misconception. Most of the African Americans I know of are celebrities and people on TV. There are far more light skinned celebrities than dark skinned ones. Almost all (well, not “all”, but many) actors and actresses are light skinned. Perhaps that’s because it’s easier for a light skinned African American to become popular and appear on TV?
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“That’s why when everyone (read: white people) was making a big deal of Tiger Woods cheating on his “gorgeous” wife Elin, I didn’t understand the gorgeous part. She has a very square jaw/head that doesn’t allow me to regard her as beautiful. Even my SO thinks she isn’t good-looking, and he is of Swedish descent just as she is.”
I though Elin was cute. Gorgeous, no, cute yes. I mean it definitely agree that they blew up the tiger thing when they started calling Elin gorgeous. She wasn’t gorgeous to me, in fact I honestly thought color aside that McNair’s wife was better looking, but they never called her beautiful. I think had tiger’s wife been black and he cheated with the same women no one would have cared and they just would have seen it as confirmation that white women were superior yet again… http://poponthepop.com/images/gallery/elin-woods-photo.jpg
She is cute though, better looking than some of those other fake, silicone, bimbos he was with. Ish…come on some of those girls I know Tiger could do better than that atleast cheat with some naturally attractive women, not ones that need an army of make up and silicon to make them look cute at best…
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@Natasha W
I wholeheartedly agree. People (again white people) said Tiger was a fool to cheat on his “gorgeous” wife as you mentioned. I didn’t find her gorgeous at all. While she’s not plain, she’s not definitely all that. She appears average looking in my eyes. *shrugs*
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I am tempted to google her name to see what she looks like. I had no idea she was white. (Well, I found out a few weeks ago, on this website :P)
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peanut, I wouldn’t put her as “cute” either. Cute is Taylor Swift or a younger Britney Spears. And his wife also wears lots of make-up (and hair dye) to achieve her look. He was just following protocol.
leigh, exactly, she doesn’t look much better than the average person.
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Oh, she’s blonde?
(I guess she is, you already mentioned it, but I didn’t realize).
I think I have some prejudices toward blondes, so I better not judge her appearance.
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really…tiger isn’t that great looking to me either though. he looks like a goof ball half the time
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Not natural blonde, as evidenced by her roots.
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Not natural blonde, as evidenced by her roots.
But that’s the kind of blondes I was talking about! 😛
Anyway… Um… TJ Holmes? Remember him? It’s his article. Let’s talk about the man himself.
Like I said, I do find him handsome- but not that handsome. There are men who are more gorgeous than him.
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@peanut:
I misread your sentence as Tiger looking like a GOLF ball. lol! 😉
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Well I’m not saying all Africans are dark, but all the ones I’ve met have been. Of course every large population, like that of West Africa, has variation in skin tone.
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Mira, of course there are men that are more handsome than TJ Holmes. I’m with one of them every day. 😀
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Mira, of course there are men that are more handsome than TJ Holmes. I’m with one of them every day.
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What I meant to say: There were more handsome men in the poll. Some of them didn’t make top 10.
Holmes has that “universal sexy look”, I think. But to me, perhaps, it’s too “universal”. I don’t know how to explain it. I get the same feeling with George Clooney or Brad Pitt (though I must admit TJ Holmes is more handsome than these guys, at least to me).
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@Mira:
I find TJ Holmes a lot more handsome than the overrated George Clooney or Brad Pitt.
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True, true. These two are overrated. I can honestly say I don’t understand their appeal, especially Clooney’s.
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Mira, I agree. Morris Chestnut comes to mind. Clearly the voters in the poll didn’t see “The Best Man.” 😉
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@Mira:
I don’t find him particularly goodlooking. I mean, he’s not bad, but the way he’s considered handsome leaves me scratching my head.
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Natasha,
What West African country do you derive from?
The anti-black sentiment in the western world also hurts me as well.
Mira,
Most black celebs are light? LOL. You sure about that? Perhaps that hyperbole on your part. If we were to do a competition to see who could list the most “light” celebs vs. the “non-light” black celebs, I would easily win but that’s all beside the point.
I thought you said that you weren’t sure what was “light skinned” for a black person earlier in this thread? What country are you from, again? I will say that it’s completely wrong to base your judgement of any population, based primarily on media images. If I were to judge white Americans based on what I saw in the media, I wouldn’t think of them in a very positive light.
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Natasha,
It’s funny, I’ve heard way more women, black and white, swoon over Morris Chesnutt than TJ Holmes. To be honest, I have only heard Holmes get praised for his looks on the internet.
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Sort of off-topic but you guys are right, Tiger along with his wife and white jumpoffs, doesn’t look like much!
The bug eyes, Bozo The Clown-esque bald spot, steroid gut and big ass teeth…he looks like a cartoon character!!!
He’s lucky he has money because I don’t think his skanky white conquests would look his way twice if he were still just El Woods from around the way.
Abagond,
Do you think white Americans tend to feel “more comfortable” among visibly part white black Americans for the same reason as non-American blacks?
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@mynameismyname
Most black celebs are light? LOL. You sure about that?
No, not really. However, I do think many Afircan-American celebrities tend to be lighter skinned compared to “ordinary” people from Africa (shown on TV). Remember, we are still talking about media image here, not the real thing. There are really dark skinned American celebrities, but I do think there are more those- well, perhaps not light skinned- but definitely more “acceptable” to white audience, I presume. This is especially true for actresses.
As if “they” try to show dark skinned (especially poor) people in Africa, while American black celebrities often tend to be as “mixed”, “white looking” as possible. That’s why in my mind average black American is lighter than average African. This might not be the true image, but now when I think about it, I realize I have it. I am not saying it’s a good thing.
I thought you said that you weren’t sure what was “light skinned” for a black person earlier in this thread?
I am not sure what is considered “light skinned”, in a way that I don’t understand where’s the turning point, and why is someone considered to be light skinned or dark skinned. I do, however, have this image (as incorrect as it may be) that people from West Africa tend to be darker than African Americans. Just like I have no idea if a particular Caucasian person is considered dark skinned, but I do think average Italian is darker than average Scandinavian.
What country are you from, again? I will say that it’s completely wrong to base your judgement of any population, based primarily on media images.
I know it’s wrong. But it’s not like I have much of a choice. I try to stay away from media’s influence, but I must admit I like to watch movies and sometimes it’s impossible to get away from TV. I know you should not trust everything you see on TV (in fact, I try to question everything I see on TV), because I know first hand what is like to be wrongly portrayed in the media.
I live in Serbia. I don’t have money to travel. I’ve never been to America, and I never really met a black person. Internet is my only way to “meet” people from all over the world. Blogs like this one help me understand situation better, because they’re written and visited by real people with real experiences. This make blogs much more honest and closer to the true than media.
If I were to judge white Americans based on what I saw in the media, I wouldn’t think of them in a very positive light.
I know what you mean.
If it means something, none- and I mean none- of the Americans I met online are not like “media Americans”. Oh, ok, there’s one exception.
Online obviously isn’t as true as real life, but it’s better than nothing. If nothing else, people (sometimes) tend to be more honest about some issues online.
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Natasha,
What West African country do you derive from?
I would say, but I don’t like to put much identifying information out on the web. I think I already have put too much on this blog… but just in case, I’ll leave it there.
It’s funny, I’ve heard way more women, black and white, swoon over Morris Chesnutt than TJ Holmes. To be honest, I have only heard Holmes get praised for his looks on the internet.
Morris Chestnut is gorgeous. It’s just not fair to other men. That smile is lethal. When I was younger I would always hope that my future husband would look like him. I was surprised when he didn’t make the Top Ten.
I do hear many more women drool over him than TJ Holmes. Then again, TJ Holmes isn’t as famous and I doubt people are dying to watch CNN.
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Natasha,
I read the Melyssa Ford post. Thank you for schooling Tulio! You took the words out of my mind. I can respect that you do not want to disclose your country of origin. Just know that I also descend from a W. African country as well. 😉
Mira,
Okay, I understand. That’s a good thing that you want to learn. Many people would rather be just stereotype without ever trying to learn and understand.
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I do believe stereotypes are harmful, to say the least. But pretending you don’t have any is also wrong. One must realize there’s a problem, or misconception, or prejudice, in order to make something about it. I am not saying I am completely free of racism, but my racism, if exists, is of a different kind than the one often seen in America. I have more prejudices about white people than about black people. I want to unlearn all those prejudices.
Oh, and I wanted to say “none of the Americans I met online are like media Americans”.
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Man Morris Chestnut is better looking than TJ Holmes but I love TJ’s swag. He got that cool nerdy swag lol. Morris got that playa swag lol I think both are attractive but Morris is better looking though.
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Morris and TJ are both gorgeous black men, they’ve got different looks but Id be checking for both of them if I were to see them in person
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Mynameismynameis: Diggs is a straight cornball, just like Gooding, Jr. and Woods. That’s why the mainstream media celebrates those guys. They are the type of blacks they like to display. They’re not going to play up the Tyler Perrys and Mary J. Bliges. Why? They make millions selling mainly to and for other blacks and could care less about white validation.
According to wikipedia Ms. Blige has not only sold 45 million records worldwide she ” is a spokesperson and investor for Carol’s Daughter beauty products and a Citibank spokesperson with Nickelback during the 2008 holiday season. Blige has also had endorsement contracts with Reebok, Air Jordan, Pepsi, Coca-Cola, Gap, Target, American Express, AT&T, M·A·C, Apple Inc. and Chevrolet.” In addition to roles on the TV shows “Strong Medicine”, “Entourage”, and “30 Rock” among others.
Seems pretty mainstream to me.
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My last post was not an attack on Ms. Blige, it was meant to illustrate what happens when one (mynameismynameis) tries to set himself up as purveyor and supreme overlord of who is “Black as thee” and who isn’t.
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Well, according to Abagond and others on this blog, MJB would have “less white fans” than an Alicia Keys because of her appearance.
Most of MJB’s fanbase is black BTW.
“Black is thee”??!?!?! LOL!!!!!!!!! I’m so far from that!! That’s actually pretty cute though.
You’re not worth my time and I’m not arguing with you. From now on, just ignore me and don’t comment on any of my posts. In other words, regard me as I regard you. Thanks.
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You’re not worth my time and I’m not arguing with you. From now on, just ignore me and don’t comment on any of my posts. In other words, regard me as I regard you. Thanks.
More intellectual cowardice on your part. If you don’t want to defend your BS claims, then stop making them.
And I don’t take orders from you.
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Oh and another thing, I am willing to bet that Taye Diggs, Cuba Gooding Jr. and Tiger Woods each has done more for charities and including charities that benefits Blacks than all of you sitting in front of your computers judging their “Blackness”. Their giving may not be “black enough” to satisfy the requirements of the “Black as thee” crowd, but it is probably more than what anyone else is putting on the table here.
The three of them together probably gave more last year alone than the rest of you will do combined in your entire lives.
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Geez, where did that come from??? Last I checked this is a discussion blog, and that’s just what these folks are doing.
‘Black as Thee’?? WTH??
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Good Lord TJ Holmes is GORGEOUS!!!
Marilee Fiebig is one beautiful and lucky lady 😉
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I don’t know. TJ Holmes is successful and kinda light skinned. He probably speaks well too and can enunciate his words. Yeah he’s probably not black enough for the people on this blog. He’s just trying to be white.
Success = trying to be white
Failure = racism and the white man holding you down
It must suck to be a black man and have to deal with all the pressure from the black community. You can be rich but not too rich or you will be accused of trying to be white. You can be poor and blame the white man for this. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I heard the ghetto described as a bucket of crabs. If one tries to get out the others just grab him and pull him back down.
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TJ is definitely on list of fake husbands.
I find him so sexy!!!!!!!!!!!
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After the “Halle Berry…not beautiful” incident, I will not ever go back and forth with another poster (especially one who comes across as being very inane) and I won’t. I will just state a few things and close this chapter for good:
1. You do not know me. You never will know. And I can bet that I have done more for PEOPLE, blacks in particular, than you or anyone else than you know. Please prove me wrong since you know me so well.
2. What have YOU done for black people?
3. List names of the charities and events that the likes of Gooding, Jr., Diggs and Woods have done to benefit blacks. And as a challenge to you, don’t look it up on Wikipedia!
4. Based on some posts, you “perceive” me as being some “black as thee” (whatever that is) type. Okay. Fine. I think it’s cute and humorous. I will say that although I am interested in the rights and well being of any ethnic group, blacks in particular, I am far from militant or anti-white. I don’t partake in evaluating anyone’s “blackness”. How could anyone? Everyone is different and lives out their own path. Each black person represents “blackness” just by walking and breathing. BTW, how can you even prove that I’m black? I could be a big, fat balding white man from Montana for all you know. So could you.
5. Please. And I beg you, please just leave me alone. I don’t feel like going tit for tat for someone who I find to be inane. You may not like my views or my outlook on things. I may not like yours. That’s only human nature. Yet, I see no point in arguing over a computer with a faceless person who would never have the “gusto” to spew what they type in a face-to-face setting.
Matter of fact, be a big boy or girl, and don’t respond to this or any other comment that I post.
Thank you.
Abagond, check him/her, if he continues.
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1. Don’t want to know you. I know what I read here.
2. I am not the one who sets myself up as a judge of who is black enough, especially judging people who probably are contributing more than just talk.
3. Like I said earlier, I don’t take orders from you. Perhaps instead of condemning those celebs you should do your own research on what they do.
4. You are right, anybody can be anything this is the internet. However, I take posts at face value unless if given a reason otherwise.
5. If you want to be left alone, do not post anything on a blog/message board type enviroment. If you do so then you risk someone replying to it. And what on earth makes you think I would be afraid of you face to face?
And since I am not violating any rules or terms of service, what is Abagond going to do? Yield to your demands and ban me because I dare challenge you to support your statements on a blog? Talk about inane, whining and crying to the blog administrator to protect you from having your silly little arguments shredded.
If you have that little belief in what you post, then you probably shouldn’t post it.
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TJ Holmes is nice looking but I prefer Morris Chestnut. That man is all kinds of sexy:)
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To a certain poster:
Wow, you really are a big boy/girl! You answered back! How mature!
If you really want to “talk”, e-mail me. Abagond has my address. Then we can REALLY talk. How about it?
You know, for a poster who is so inane and has “silly arguments”, I sure got you worked up, huh? So, worked up that you came out of the woodwork to hate. Not bad for someone with such “silly” posts that I “don’t believe in”?
Also you can’t answer any of the questions, can you? Just admit it. Maybe you can’t read well, seeing that you’ve misread before (where in the heck did I say someone isn’t “black enough”?) but here goes:
1. What have you done for black people?
2. Can you name specific charities and events that Gooding, Jr., Diggs and Woods have participated that benefitted black people.
3. Can you prove that I’m not some big, fat balding white man from Idaho?
Obviously, you have little belief in your answers seeing that you couldn’t provide them.
That’s the end.
E-mail me if you still have so much to say. (Abagond has permission to give you my address if you want it.) Perhaps, we can maturely discuss ways to help black people just like Woods, Diggs and the crew have.
Or provide a thorough answer to the questions above. If not, why waste your time? And if you continue to “troll” me, proper procedure may have to occur. I’m not going through another “Soul” incident. No more back and forth.
Thank you!
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Wow, Truth B Told should visit more often. Nice one!
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TJ’s getting married?! Damn, damn, damn! He’s the only reason why I even started watching CNN! Oh, well. I guess I’ll just have to drool over Adam Rodriguez. By the way Abagond I really enjoyed looking at your lists of handsome men (the East Asian one and the international one). Do you think you’ll ever do a list on handsome Latinos? What about a list of just handsome Black men? I definitely have some men in mind for both lists.
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Correction: TJ got married?!
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Wow, he’s HAWT. I love yella fellas that look like him.
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I always thought he was handsome.
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^ yes he is, I can’t stand bet for letting him go, anything constructive they get rid of smh. don’t sleep was a good show
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