I do not hate white people. Am I racist against them? Yes. Do I sometimes have a hard time trusting them? Yes. Do I hate some of the things they do? Yes. But do I hate anyone just for being white? No, of course not. Even with racist jerks I try to hate the sin not the sinner. But, I must admit, I have not always been successful.
I do not want to put people in a box. I want them to surprise me and sometimes they do. But too many times white people act like they all went to the same Secret Course on Whiteness that I was not invited to.
Some commenters assume that because I say bad things about whites I must hate them, that I think they are pure evil, that no one else in the world is evil, that I do not know that black people can be evil too. No, it is not like that. It is just that white people do bad things too and, unlike with black people, it tends to get overlooked or played down.
Have white people done good things? Of course. I would have died at 13 if it were not for modern medicine. My wife would have died in childbirth. There would be no Internet or television game shows. Etc.
Have white people made progress? Of course. In America they no longer use whips and chains on black people to force them to work for free. They no longer force blacks to sit at the back of the bus or hang them from trees. A big fraction of them – more than I expected – voted for a black man for president. Etc.
Whites have the same hearts and minds as everyone else, the same human nature. What makes them different: power.
Power corrupts: it hardens your heart, it wears away your sense of right and wrong, it weakens your hold on the truth. Because there is no one to keep you in check, to keep you from going off the rails. Power leads to evil and self-delusion.
So in the case of White Americans they take land from the American Indians (because they can) and make black men slaves (because they can). They knew it was wrong, but instead of stopping they made up lies about blacks and American Indians (because they can), many of which they still believe to this day (because they can). They went off the rails, losing their hold on right and wrong, on the truth. It is still going on.
That is what power does to people. Read Orwell’s “Animal Farm”, Thucydides’s “History”, Shakespeare’s “King Lear” or even the Bible.
Whites use their power to make themselves look good and blacks look bad. From the time we are little children our minds are filled with “white is right” and “black is bad” over and over again, making white people big-headed and blacks self-hating. I am not going to use my blog to add to that.
See also:
I don’t view you as a racist. I too have the same problem. I must admit that I am racist, and its soo hard for me to trust whites, let alone anyone. To me with us, we try to see good in everyone, anyone who is not black look at us like its something wrong with us. That’s just how i feel. So i agree with one of your other posts about making friends with other races, because it does help not to have a limited view on other people.
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im forced to like whites somewhat because my mom is white and because the white side of my family was in my life unlike my black side (his side of family probably doesnt know i exist, so i blame the dad not them).
but there is one thing i would like to mention. often i hear people always mention taking land from the indians, specifically white people, but its weird, they mention it in a “we did a wrong” kind of way, yet they have never really done anything to right it. alot of white people will let themselves feel guilty over it, but yet they will not give the land back…i just find that kind of weird…
have you ever done a post on that?
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Another good post, Abagond.
Am I racist against white people? Yeah, a bit. It’s not that I see white people and automatically think something negative about them, but rather that, when they treat me rudely or wrong me in some way, I tend to assume that their motives are racist, whereas with black people — or other minorities, for that matter — I would think they are just being rude.
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abagond,
Thanks for the clarity of this post, especially your excellent analysis of how power has compounded the negative effects of White racism against BLACKS/other NON-WHITES.
I have never gotten the impression that you condone hatred of ANY individual based SOLELY on their race but you do help us understand that if we can’t be honest about the dynamics of racism by the MOST POWERFUL (Whites) in American culture towards the LEAST POWERFUL (Blacks), we can’t hope to EVER effectively resolve the many problems this brand of racism has caused/continues to cause.
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I hate how white people judge us by what some blacks do but when you try and use that same logic against them by throwing the evils that whites have done in their face, like slavery, they want us to forget about it and not to judge them based on their ancestors.
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I wholeheartedly agree with everyone’s posts. It’s spot on!
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Great post Abagond
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Well I must say I truly believe that since PRESIDENT Barack Obama was elected i have definately been feeling the nasty jealous racism from the whites.
I mean anybody who has a job im sure can remember going to work the day after his inauguration and getting the most evil glares from white people while all the blacks at the office were ecstatic the whites looked pissed like someone stole their bike or something!!LOL
But to my point, Im with you abagond I dont hate anybody no matter what race they are I just feel like the evil and hatred most white people show towards blacks is nonsense, Because rather they like it or not Black is here to stay and so is our president.
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🙂 I just started reading your blog and I love it!
What did you think about Malcolm x?
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but rather that, when they treat me rudely or wrong me in some way, I tend to assume that their motives are racist, whereas with black people — or other minorities, for that matter — I would think they are just being rude.
so that’s not just me?? EVERY TIME a white person does something rude to me, i think it’s racially motivated. with black people, asians, latin@s, etc i’m just like, “wow what a rude person!” but with white people i roll my eyes and think, “what a racist jerk!”
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oh yea,, and bw+bm relationships
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Yolanda,
No, it’s not just you.
There really are a lot of rude people out there. A lot of total psychos, too. And there are racists who are always polite. After all, being polite and being racist aren’t mutually exclusive.
Leslie,
check out Abagond’s index page: https://abagond.wordpress.com/index/
If you would like to request a topic, go to:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/suggestions/
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thank you so much black&german
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Black&German said:
“being polite and being racist aren’t mutually exclusive.”
You got that right!!!!
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Always Right said:
“but there is one thing i would like to mention. often i hear people always mention taking land from the indians, specifically white people, but its weird, they mention it in a “we did a wrong” kind of way, yet they have never really done anything to right it. alot of white people will let themselves feel guilty over it, but yet they will not give the land back…i just find that kind of weird…
have you ever done a post on that?”
No, not yet. Good suggestion and good observation.
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Black&German said:
“when they treat me rudely or wrong me in some way, I tend to assume that their motives are racist”
Right. I hope I come to the right conclusion in the end (ordinary jerk vs racist jerk) but the “racist jerk” hypothesis certainly crosses through my mind.
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Abagond, why did you post this? We already know you’re anti white. Another thing, you speak very little actual truth. You speak some half truths but most of your anger and hatred of whites comes from jealously. Just like most of your black bloggers. You have a far left wing ideology and far left wing people are bigots just like far right wing people are bigots. This blog is a place for black racist to spew hatred. It’s sad that this your contribution to the world. I hope some day you will grow up and remove the hatred from your heart.
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Jack Says:
Abagond, why did you post this? We already know you’re anti white. Another thing, you speak very little actual truth. You speak some half truths but most of your anger and hatred of whites comes from jealously. Just like most of your black bloggers. You have a far left wing ideology and far left wing people are bigots just like far right wing people are bigots. This blog is a place for black racist to spew hatred. It’s sad that this your contribution to the world. I hope some day you will grow up and remove the hatred from your heart.
laromana says,
Jack,
Don’t LIE about abagond being ANTI-WHITE because he ISN’T and DON’T PRESUME to make GENERALIZATIONS about the “ideology” of Black posters on this blog because YOU DON’T KNOW ANY of US.
Abagond’s blog is an EXCELLENT CONTRIBUTION to the world where people of ALL RACES are/have had CONSTRUCTIVE discussions about a variety of subjects (not just race issues).
YOU are RACIST/BIGOT who “NEEDS to GROW UP and REMOVE HATRED from YOUR HEART”.
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Jack, I am white. I know abagond does not hate me.
Thre is a world of difference between criticism of someone’s racist actions/words and hating someone.
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‘Abagond go to Stormfront, Chimpout, Niggermania, and read the coments on those websites… THAT is hatred.’
Truly vile sites that on first viewing appears to be almost satirical in nature.
@Jack:
Ask yourself this. Why is it when racism is discussed from a racialized person’s perspective it’s so threatening to people like you? I bet if this was a ‘conservative’ site, with a white person writing these things espousing solidarity for racialized people, would that ‘right wing white’ be bigoted? No, according to your druthers I don’t think so. For you see, you are the racist! You see anything written or created by a black or other racialized person as inferior and consequently of no import save to ignite your so-called
right-wing ardour.
Bigotry abd racism is not a
right’ or ‘left’ wing thing, it is a Human Rights ‘thing’. It just in the manner of how these thing are expostulated. You could not have read the post very closely as Abagond states clearly, “love the sinner, hate the sin”. Have a nice day.
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Jack is delusional.
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For a lot of whites to even dare suggest that Abagond is racist I’d kindly ask them to go to those vile White Supremacist sites and challenge their fellow whites on their hatred, you haven’t seen hate at its worst!!. I really doubt any of you would.
Instead or trying to refute our oipinions of a racist white world, try chanelling your efforts in asking THEM why they hate blacks so much.
Maybe I can be racist, but it’s definitely reactionary and provoked 100% of the time by racist white people!
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I’ve been reading your archives for a couple hours now, and I think you’re one of the most racist bloggers I’ve ever encountered. However, if you subscribe to the social constructivist theory of racial differences, you pretty much can’t help but hate white people. If I were a black man, I would probably also prefer to think that the persistent socio-economic inferiority of blacks around the world is due to white racism. Blank slatism a machine for generating racial hatreds.
You’re a good writer, but more of a demagogue than a thinker — you make many bold claims without even trying to prove them with evidence. I can picture you in front of a mob, inciting a pogrom — you’d be very good at it. In fact, some of your commenters are explicitly genocidal in their hatred of whites. It’s telling that you seem to treat such comments, including one in this thread, as normal, even commendable.
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Where did I treat explicitly genocidal hatred of whites as commendable?
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I’ve been reading your archives for a couple hours now, and I think you’re one of the most racist bloggers I’ve ever encountered.
Oh really? Further on you state that he is giving his opinions without evidence to back it up. Why don’t you go to a site like Stormfront where they provide evidence based on eugenics and outdated and discredited studies? There is a pattern here. Whenever naysayers such as yourself comment here, it is done to negate and denigrate the writer of this blog. You employ a patronizing and belittling tone when criticizing the blog author. In effect, you are proving some of the things he writes about. Believe me, in regards to racism the list is not exhaustive, this but a sampling. There is a pattern here with you and your ilk trying to dismiss what this blogger is trying to convey. You obviously have no inkling as to what you are talking about but feel it is your right to make these spurious claims. Whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion you and your ilk are clearly out of bounds in your assertion that this blog author, and with you in particular, one of the ‘most’ racist you’ve ever read. I find this hard to believe. If you want to see what a real racist blog or website is, go to chimp.com. I think he has struck a chord with many of his posts, hence this reaction. Your reaction is another attempt to debase this writer with unfounded accusations of racism and your miscomprehension of the post in general. When all he is doing is describing common experiences that black and other racialized people face. You are the racist!
I am sick and tired of those like yourself who seek to criticize black men as I have brothers, nephews uncles, male relatives and acquaintances in general who are subjected to this type of “you are the racist” and other insidious claims and diatribes on a constant basis. This is much to their detriment in employment, effects on their health, heck everyday life. I defend this writer as I am also defending the black men in my life. And no, they are not a bunch of ne’er do wells sitting around blaming whites for their lack of progress in life. They are students(university), professionals, trades people and so forth. The bone of contention derives from the fact that in many cases, they have had to fight over and above what is normal to achieve their potential and they may not have done so in some instances because of racism. I know that Abagond has a moderating policy but I am going to write this anyway, he can choose to publish it or not. But on behalf of my black male relatives and by extension blacks everywhere, F**K OFF! I am resorting to profanity as that is all you deserve! I am sick and tired of you and your ilk’s racist projections of your own self hate, which is cloaked in an appearance of patronizing superiority.
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@Herneith:
Very well said!!! A big resounding AMEN!!! 🙂
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Very Well articulated Herneith :)I couldn’t have said it better!
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Let’s all wait and see which one of the many derailment tactics he decides to use to defend his weak posts if (did i say if? haha) he comes back.
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Woot Hernieith put it down.
@ AO – I’m waiting to see some pie charts and links to articles that use big words to convey small ideas!
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@ Herneith:
Your comment puts me in a bind. I know it is heartfelt, that you are not being a troll. Also it is in my defence and I thank you for that. But on the other hand, telling other commenters to “F**K OFF!”, as you so delicately put it, might feel good but it is not constructive. Running off those who disagree will only lead to an echo chamber.
@ JL:
I do agree with most of what Herneith said, but not the last part where she tells you to get lost. She does not run this blog. You are welcome here any time – unless you are just a troll.
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JL said:
“I’ve been reading your archives for a couple hours now, and I think you’re one of the most racist bloggers I’ve ever encountered.”
There are way, way worse than me:
http://stormfront.org/
http://chimpout.com/
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/
http://isteve.blogspot.com/
http://www.amren.com/
I am sure some commenters, like La Reyna, can come up with a way better list than that.
And then there are the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Pat Buchanan whose casual racism gives a bad name to the Republican Party to any thihking person in America who is not white (and even to many who are white).
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JL said:
“However, if you subscribe to the social constructivist theory of racial differences, you pretty much can’t help but hate white people.”
What makes you think I hate white people? I mean, that is, after all, the subject of this post. So instead of just calling me a hater of white people, quote me back to myself. You must have a reason for believing this. Show me the smoking gun.
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JL said:
“If I were a black man, I would probably also prefer to think that the persistent socio-economic inferiority of blacks around the world is due to white racism.”
And if I were a white person, I would probably prefer to think that the persistent socio-economic inferiority of blacks around the world has absolutely nothing to do with white racism.
That argument cuts both ways. It is in effect an ad hominem argument. People can believe the right thing for the wrong reasons.
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[…] far as why I’m reading Niggermania, well thank my ex-acquaintance Abagond for that one. Call a man a thief enough, and he might start stealing […]
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Robert Lindsay has broken off our acquaintance because in comment #36 I said his blog was more racist than mine. I meant it as an observation, he took it as an unkind remark.
Maybe I am wrong. Here is his blog, you be the judge:
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/
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So you’re saying I’m a racist? Meaning if I use the word “nigger” and tell and laugh at Black jokes, I’m a racist? Ok, I guess I am then. But I’m also an anti-racist. It’s not hypocrisy, it’s a matter of degrees. Racism and anti-racism are continuums, not absolutes. Guys like me are about a 2 on the racist scale and guys like you are like a 10. Guys like me are like a 6 on the anti-racist scale, and guys like you are like a zero. I have a racist heart and a non-racist or anti-racist heart both inside of me, and that’s not contradictory at all. Most White people are like that. I sure hope that the anti-racist heart is bigger than the racist one though.
This guy claims he is anti-racist. With white ‘anti-racists like this, I’ll take the old fashioned racist over his ilk any day. I suspect that many of the white anti-racist fit this paradigm however.
‘Uncle Milton seems to have found a new home on this blog:
The reason that such culture has been disseminated so well is because of inventions that were wholly or predominantly invented by Whites such as he storage and transmission of electricity, radio, television, photography, motion pictures, vinyl records, compact disks, the concept and much of the “guts” of the internet, etc..
I can’t imagine a chemical solution ever being adopted.. at least not in this country. Apparently in some places that Rob has mentioned there are effective societal feedback mechanisms that curb aberrant behavior. One of the issues we have in the US is that we are multi-racial and multi-cultural such that any such solution applied to only one group would be widely condemned.
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Whoever (or whomever) thinks that they hate white people all because of the stupid stuff they do. I think they are confused, its not about the race thats hateful, its the total level of ignorance.
Thus if anything, you just hate another person’s ignorance, regardless if their race/gender.
I am white, thus I know that my race’s ignorance has gone downhill BIGTIME, due to the level of crap that the media would display on the news these days.
Enough said.
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So you are racist and think that your race is superior over the white race? I’m just going by the definition of the term “racism”
I do think it is possible to be racist and not hate the race you think you are superior too. So good for you.
I was agreeing with you through your Power corrupts paragraph.
I’m glad to know that you don’t hate white people. 🙂
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(I read title of this post as “Do I date white people?)
What’s interesting here, I never though you (Abagond) hate white people. At first I even though you were white. You do seem like a person who dislike certain behavior, and distribution of power, inequalities in society, etc., but you seem- at least online- like someone who tries to give individuals benefit of the doubt.
Maybe I just don’t have any white guilt and I don’t take your posts personally.
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Well it’s a fact all black people hate white people. Doesn’t matter why they hate them just that they do.
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How can you be so sure? It makes no sense.
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Oh I’m basing it on the fact that some people on this blog know that all white people hate black people. So the reverse must be true.
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So, you do believe that: a) all white people hate black people and, b) all black people hate white people?
… and you still think it make sense?
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Some people are just naturally inclined to hatred. Maybe it is a spiritual sickness, or maybe being born with a weak character is just luck of the draw. The reasons matter about as much as the excuses people give, which means not much. White bigots will always use some tired line (way too many to go into, but we’ve all heard them). Black bigots will try to justify their shallow intellect and hateful heart by using the bigotry of others to justify their own hateful view of the world, as if somehow the sins of another person could justify the exact same sin in someone else. Yet there is no religious tradition in human history that validates this.
In the end, it is all just an excuse, an empty, hollow excuse to try to cover up the ugly reality that some people just naturally have a hateful heart and always will. Some people will see injury and insult in everything, many getting to the point of obsession. Some people have a sick soul and a natural inclination to hate other people.
Every person on this planet is an individual. Some are more bad than good, and some are more good than bad. Most of us go through life somewhere in the middle. We all have the capacity to go either way, and our race has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with it.
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you talk of hating power, (OBAMA) most powerful man in the world
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Yeah, if you go to those racist sites, it totaly explains the defensive positions expressed by posters here. Above all, those are the real reasons America has a racial devide a mile wide.
Lets at least address some things about American white people and indians and slavery.
More slaves were brought to other places in the Americas than to the USA.Most before the USA was even a country.
The arabs were the ones who influenced the europeans to trafic in slaves.And the arabs traficed more slaves from sub sahara Africa than came to the Americas . 15 million.
African tribes defeated other African tribes to get their prisoners to trade with the arabs and europeans
The Indians ? You do know that all over the Americas, indians were killed and died from disease in far greater numbers than happened in the USA
So, while I do understand the position taken against these vile sites and that type of racism that is truly in effect today,if a person is going to take defensive positions against the perpatrators of sub sahara slavory, they have to include the arabs, the French, Dutch,English, Spanish and the very black African tribes that took the defeated tribes as prisoner.
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really a well written blog i really liked it a lot it is subtle and the same time deals with a lot of sensitive issues too
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I see it like this, racism begats racism. I ran into people who called me racist, but I always tell them that some things designed or founded by and for people of color were responses to the racism against them.
Someone, a white guy, told me how the NAACP was a racist organization against whites. I told him that the NAACP wouldn’t have existed if your people treated my people like people from day freakin one.
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“From the time we are little children our minds are filled with “white is right” and “black is bad” over and over again, making white people big-headed and blacks self-hating. I am not going to use my blog to add to that.”
I enjoyed this post, but you don’t have to enforce either of those views to fight racism. In fact I get the vibe that black is right and white is bad from most of your posts, which I think is counter productive, and just as bad as the other way around. The way I look at it, if black people owned the media, this is the sort of thing you would see. The media is unfair and biased towards POC just like I feel this blog is pointing the finger towards white people. Neither way is very productive when it comes to race equality. As unfair as it seems white people are going to see it as racist, and cause more resentment. Nobody, black or white likes to have their nose rubbed in their wrong doings.
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Ó Dochartaigh:
White people who say, “If only you said it more nicely we would listen” are not truly interested in knowing:
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I stumbled across this post by doing a search for “I hate superior people.”
I’m white. This post is for the obviously white people:
Don’t talk. Listen. You cannot know or understand about an experience that you can absolutely never have. We live in a racist society and white people do control it. Like it or not, you are a part of the problem. It’s called white privilege. You may not ask to have it and you may not want it, but you do enjoy it. Please do a search on white privilege. There is plenty of information on this topic.
I spent a long time viewing myself as a color-blind person. I was wrong–it was a way to shut my eyes to an unfair society. It was a way to ignore the very real problems that people of color face every single day in a white-controlled society.
White people…the first step is listening. I mean really, really listen. Fight the urge to “defend” yourself. It’s the first step to waking up.
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@Kelly:
Great post! I wish there were people out there like you who finally open their eyes and can see for themselves that blacks and POC aren’t making this stuff up.
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Kelly, you rock.
If you’ve got a blog or something, come talk to Moi some time.
Listen. You cannot know or understand about an experience that you can absolutely never have. We live in a racist society and white people do control it. Like it or not, you are a part of the problem. It’s called white privilege. You may not ask to have it and you may not want it, but you do enjoy it.
So excellently stated I will be linking it at some point or featuring it in a post. Talk about “in a nutshell”!!!
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Ankhesen:
Kelly did put it in a nutshell, but as something addressed to whites I am afraid she is preaching to the choir. The trouble is the term “white privilege”: most whites do not know what it is and those that do have already made up their minds about it as either a dirty word or the north star of anti-racism.
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Many people seem to think that “privilege” means to rich and live life free of any trouble or money problems.
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Abagond,
She was speaking to white posters on here, not the POC.
And she spoke by directly addressing their chief and repeated concern – which as a formerly “color-blind” WP, she would naturally be more insightful enough to do:
1) Don’t talk. Listen. You cannot know or understand about an experience that you can absolutely never have.
2) We live in a racist society and white people do control it. Like it or not, you are a part of the problem. It’s called white privilege.
3) You may not ask to have it and you may not want it, but you do enjoy it.
4) Fight the urge to “defend” yourself. It’s the first step to waking up.
Her anecdote is also nutshell-tastic and zeroes in the core perk/problem of white privilege:
I spent a long time viewing myself as a color-blind person. I was wrong–it was a way to shut my eyes to an unfair society. It was a way to ignore the very real problems that people of color face every single day in a white-controlled society.
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much agreed. i don’t like hasty generalizations but majority of them have everything handed to them. so when something goes wrong they freak out. bad stuff always happens to minorities and we are forced to push on and everyone thinks we want someone to feel sorry for us nah it don’t work like that.
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“White people…the first step is listening. I mean really, really listen. Fight the urge to “defend” yourself. It’s the first step to waking up.” -Kelly
smh
You mean submit to black racist? Not a chance in hell
Look people, history is not pretty, it also cannot be changed…bottom line.
sub-Saharan Africans have always been a tribal people, nothing more, no different then the Australian Aboriginols. Now in North Africa you will find Amizgh berbers ,egyptians, Libyans, Carthaginians. These people were the only civilized people in Africa for many, many years..These people are not black african. Now what I mean by civilized is “western” standards of civilization, which black Africans DO NOT NEED TO MEET!!!! So, I would ask all Afrocentrist to stop being gullible to these Afrocentric snake-oil salesmen. You are not Moors, Egyptians, Sumerians, Vikings, Chinese, Olmecs, ect, ect, ect……Stop promoting ignorance and racism.
Now only time will the species mature, you must realize that…Each generation of the species you will see racism diminish..will there be some @ssholes still around? YES!! You cannot change that..but there will be less and less until racism is gone forever….We will not be alive to see a society free of racism but we can contribute….
So butch up and stop whining…Stop believing all the crap spewed by Afrocentric nutjobs…
Wake Up people…..Reality is calling.
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Hey, great white dork, what kind of post is this?
Havent you ever heard of the Dahomey nation ?
Dont you understand the sub sahara African genius in culture that dominates western popular culture today?
That is a pretty all powerful genius, if you ask me, something that just dominates over the popular culture of most of the world.
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@B.R
Please layoff the jenkem, my deluded friend.
Wake up!! Reality is Calling!!
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@B.R.
Quick look up of Dahomey
The origins of Dahomey can be traced back to a group of Aja from the coastal kingdom of Allada who moved northward and settled among the Fon people of the interior. By about 1650, the Aja managed to dominate the Fon, and Wegbaja declared himself king of their joint territory. Based in his capital of Agbome, Wegbaja and his successors succeeded in establishing a highly centralized state with a deep-rooted kingship cult of sacrificial offerings. These included an emphasis on human sacrifices in large numbers, to the ancestors of the monarch. Human sacrifices were not only made in time of war, pestilence, calamity, and on the death of kings and chiefs, they were also made regularly in the Annual Customs, believed to supply deceased kings with a fresh group of servants. Four thousand Whydahs, for example, were sacrificed when Dahomey conquered Whydah in 1727. Five hundred were sacrificed for Adanzu II in 1791. The sacrifices for Gezo went on for days. Human sacrifice was usually done by beheading, except in the case of the king’s wives, who were buried alive. All land was owned directly by the king, who collected taxes from all crops that were produced.
*Shakes Head*
Again let me repeat
Wake up! reality is calling!
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@B.R.
Yes Africa is a paradise before the “Invasion” of the YT lol
Could it be we are the same? It’s just that we DOMINATED on a much LARGER scale lol
Human nature is the same, not matter the color of ones skin, my friend.
If the European did not go out and explore and dominate, could it be Africans, Arabs, Chinese, Indians would have?
I think so
The Powerful always exploit the weak, especially when fortune is to be made…human nature.
Now we as a people(ALL PEOPLE) are maturing as a species, but it will take time, my lost friend….Do your part to bring an end to ignorance.
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@ GREAT WHITE MAN…
You make some great points; however, you also are trying to diminish other aspects…
If you are anti-racist, which some of your words lean towards, why would you do that? Why would you utilize racist or centric ideology if that is what you are trying to defeat? Are you not guilty of the same?
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@ ColorOfLuv
I do not embrace Eurocentric Ideology. That died out in the early 1900’s.
My sources are legit scholary sources. To base history on what color skin of people did what is absurd. That is Afrocentrism fails on so many levels.
I’m a realist
And yes African Americans will not like the true history of the African man, but is not the truth more important than self-esteem?
IMHO, the African people have a rich culture but it is a tribal culture, same as Aboriginals in Australia. Now as Civilization moved south, yes, some Africans learned this, most did not. Most are happy with the tribal culture and I don’t blame them.
To cut it short, Afrocentrics are trying to COMPETE with the white man and other people of the world. Trying to prove to US that they are just as capable (or superior according to most of their mumbo jumbo) which by learning tribal culture of Africa, this will be accomplished. Stealing history, Culture Vulturism and making history up as you go IS NOT THE ANSWER…IT BREEDS IGNORANCE AND RACISM.
Afrocentrism is just plain wrong
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@ Great White Man
What are your objectives on this post?
You make a lot of great points; however, do you not realize the basic premise of this blog? Look past the colourism, look past the centrism, look past the racism.
We’re getting hung up on semantics and points of view. Yours is different than mine. We’re both White, now what? In my mind, it is “us” against “them”. My definition of “us” = have nots vs. “them” = the Elite.
Who are the elite? You know the answer… Rather than getting caught up in the semantics of Afrocentism, you could do just as well to go on a predominantly “Euro/Anglo/white blog” and dispel rumors against Eurocentric viewpoints and argue against White elites that run this country. (and the Global Economy)
Do you do this? I wonder if your attitude is sincere. Seriously. Do you argue just as whole heartedly against “Whites who live in a dream world” that are essentially walking through society as if in some clueless wondeland???
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….but is not the truth more important than self-esteem?
Not according to most Americans, and this is something black Americans definitely share with their white cousins.
According to Americans (in general), “It’s only true if it affirms me as a person.”
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Hey, “white man”
What is your point? Just because there were sacrifices of humans, World War 1 and 2 are the grandiose expresion of how profound mans inhumanity to man can be.
I only said the Dahomeys because at that time , mid 1600’s, they were not too far off from where the rest of civilisation was at that time.
And you totaly ignore my main point that the whole world worships culture that is set on the table of sub saharan African genius .
You wake up, white boy , you are self deluded , your points wallow in white false ego concepts of what has value in this world.
Wake up and be a real white man with no false ego bs guiding your brain
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What are your objectives on this post?
He doesn’t have any. He loves the sound of the keyboard as he’s typing.
Do you argue just as whole heartedly against “Whites who live in a dream world” that are essentially walking through society as if in some clueless wondeland???
Being an onanist, he probably wouldn’t derive as much pleasure from confronting whites as he does blacks. Oh well, whatever floats your boat.
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Quoting you: “…Read Orwell’s “Animal Farm”, Thucydides’s “History”, Shakespeare’s “King Lear” or even the Bible”.
It is significant that these authors that you have cited are all qunintessential white people. (Indeed, the original authors of the books of the bible were also white, for what it is worth, and it was written in an Indo-European language.)
Do you ever wonder how many of the ideas that make up the structure of your own mind – and the structure that you no doubt cherish and value – are white people’s ideas? Have you noticed that you communicate using what remins essentially a white culture’s language (English) with a lexicon of words and a syntax that has evolved to describe concepts that evolved in white culture?
Martin luther King was a great man, but he also argued using concepts and ideals that are White concepts and ideas, and expressed them in a white person’s language. You do well to follow his example and show humanity and humilty for all other human beings, and follow ideals that transcend the superficialities of color.
Don’t you ever forget what you said about white people having done some good things. Much or your own mind is white anyway, like it or not. If you don’t believe this, then move to Africa and see how at home you feel.
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Indeed, the original authors of the books of the bible were also white, for what it is worth, and it was written in an Indo-European language.
Really, now? So you consider the very dark-skinned Semetic peoples of the Arabian penninsula to be “white” now, do you?
What esoteric definition of “whiteness” is this, might I ask?
Could it be this: “I am white and I consider the Bible to be part of my ‘heritage’. Ergo, it’s authors must be white?”
Rodgeey, guys like you didn’t even consider white-skinned Jews from Poland and Russia to be “white” back in the day, let alone the Osama Bin Laden-looking types which wrote the Bible. 😀
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I agree with Thad: the Bible was written by the sort of people who nowadays are not considered white. They are, at best, white by adoption.
The same applies to the ancient Greeks. I wrote a post on that:
“Whiteness” is new, a side effect of slavery and colonialism. People read it back into history into a time when no one believed in it.
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Of the authors listed only Orwell can we say for sure thought of himself as white.
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I took the test you did and I had the exact opposit result than you did … I was chocked though and I don’t know how I got these results …
Then I saw that some people had problems cause they are left/right handed or whatever …
But then I thought about it .. maybe physically, there is more chance that I would select a white (not saying that white are more beautiful or whatever but from the result I got with the test … looks like that is what’s up) , but then as soon as they open their mouth, my blood start boiling. (most of the time)
I don’t know if I am racist, but I am like Yolanda …
If an Asian or Black or Latino or Indian do something wrong to me, I will be like : what’s wrong with that guy ?
If it’s a white I automatically think it’s racist.
At my school, there is more immigrants than there is black people. And the principal and all the people that rules in that school are pure white people. And I noticed (with my Arabs friends) that whatever this people do, they call it racism.
It is not just a black thing, but it is more … frequent with us.
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I dont hate white people, to me they are not important enough to hate. I don’t hate white people, I just want black people to stop loving them.
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Sir, We crazy, racist, white, power hungry, people cannot give the land back, because like you we were born here. These people who stole the land and took slaves are long dead. Why don’t you try giving the land back? You live here too…
I for one am not racist, but I do DESPISE the black culture. It tells little children that because they are a different color that they have less opportunities than the “white folk”, and that all they can amount to is a basketball playing, crack dealing pimps. IT DISGUSTS ME.
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Sir, We crazy, racist, white, power hungry, people cannot give the land back, because like you we were born here.
Call: blowme@whogives af*ck.com.
I for one am not racist, but I do DESPISE the black culture.
Oh nooo, you’re not a racist, your a dyed in the wool racist!
It tells little children that because they are a different color that they have less opportunities than the “white folk”, and that all they can amount to is a basketball playing, crack dealing pimps.
No, the white man tells them that in both blatant and subtle ways. Try being more creative when assigning sterotypes to groups eh?! For more discourse contact blowme@whogivesaf*ck.cm
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Who peed in your Cheerios this morning, Kyle? 😀
Y’know, it’s pretty damned stupid to claim that you are not a racist and then let loose with a barrage of the most racist stereotypes one can think up.
I mean, if you’re gonna troll, at least be creative.
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Sir, We crazy, racist, white, power hungry, people cannot give the land back
Um, like…have you tried?
Why don’t you try giving the land back? You live here too
Yeah, but we’re not the ones running it…you know, into the ground?
I for one am not racist, but I do DESPISE the black culture. It tells little children that because they are a different color that they have less opportunities than the “white folk”, and that all they can amount to is a basketball playing, crack dealing pimps.
Actually, that’s your culture, boo-boo. Ask our parents and grandparents how their white teachers told them they couldn’t be anything, and not to even try. Ask Malcolm X’s teacher (hopefully, he’s rotting in his grave by now). Ask your white-owned media why they only one want to show coked-out rappers and athletes on trial, rather than black women kicking ass in college and in the corporate world. Ask GEMS why New York law enforcement looks the other way when underaged girls of color are kidnapped and dragged into prostitution.
And while you’re at it, have a chat with Birthers, Teabaggers, Bethany Storro, and Annie Chambers Caddell. Give ’em each a big wet smooch and tell them what a fine job they’re doing and what an excellent message they’re sending to young white kids.
FYI…THEY DISGUST ME.
xoxo,
Moi
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And by the way, those 12- and 13-year-old girls in New York have mostly white male customers. Make sure you have a nice chat with those remorseless, child-molesting bastards as well.
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Sir, We crazy, racist, white, power hungry, people cannot give the land back
Um, like…have you tried?
Post an address and I’ll send you all the land I own.
Hey, you can’t say I didn’t try.
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“I do not want to put people in a box. I want them to surprise me and sometimes they do. But too many times white people act like they all went to the same Secret Course on Whiteness that I was not invited to.”
This is SPOT on. I always wonder why. Why do they have that secretness among themselves that no one else can intrude on. I go to an white college and I see it every day. It makes me want to transfer to a HBCU
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I don’t hate White people. I don’t trust them one bit.
I only show kindness to people who are kind to me.
I think a lot of white people who say that racist crap online are racist pukes who wouldn’t have the balls to say that mess to my face.
I think racism is in every country it’s just that Europeans are on the hush hush about it.
I heard some Mexicans are racist towards blacks too.
I heard some Asians are very racist towards blacks and darker skinned Asians.
In India people with darker skin are looked down upon.
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@ Pamela
Everyone is racist… even you and me.
Happy new Year 🙂
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@Pamela. They don’t trust you either. Check your own racism.
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are you really delusional ?
power corrupts. money corrupts. and for centuries “white” man has controlled people via RELIGION, TAXATION, LAND OWNERSHIP, ETC…
And the same thing exists in China and to some extent in Russia. No matter where you go, the power to control the masses via politics, religion, etc… has been derived not just from WHITE man, but HUMANS in general.
saying “WHITE” man is just another way of the real power players to obscure their role and control us.
True freedom is when the PEOPLE unite and truly realize that the system needs to be changed and people need to put their petty beliefs aside and just be nice to each other AND respect one another.
Do you really think WHITE man was around when the Egyptians enslaved others ? NO. As a matter of fact, the Egyptians were “BLACK”.
No matter what “time” you go back in history, “POWER” has controlled the “MASSES” for their own agenda. And if you think there is not a hidden agenda, your just plain silly stupid.
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None of you could possibly be racists because absolutely all of you have been conditioned with televisions and a monopolized media. Everything you think is not what you think but how you have been conditioned and lied too, to think. The more college degrees on the wall the deeper the programming.
Since I abandoned the monopolized medias constant distortion of history I have been freed to think as I please. After a considerable amount of time cultivating my own free thought I came to the conclusion that I am not racist, I hate all of you equally the same.
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@ rachel
Woah… so like… are you The One?
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“After a considerable amount of time cultivating my own free thought I came to the conclusion that I am not racist, I hate all of you equally the same.”
-Rachel
Well, that being said, I hate you too.
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“Rachel” is a troll who was banned for repeatedly using ethnic slurs against the Japanese. He keeps sneaking back here under different sock puppets, mostly with male names.
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He keeps sneaking back here under different sock puppets, mostly with male names.
Maybe ‘Rachel’ suffers from split personalities, hahahaha!!!!!
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I do hate some white people. I do hate some black people and so forth. I’ve done bogus by almost everybody. I’m glad because I taught me at personality first. I didn’t really one group is more sucky than another. Everybody is someone’s villan.
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Wow it is amazing how many start of with’ ‘I’m not racist but….’ How can one claimto not be racist yet slander a race as if they had the right to do so. Ok so if you have noticed I’m white and am not racist. Slavery and killings that were done by white men are in the past and were done by our ansecstors and not us white people of today!! I do feel horible for all those that were mistreated by us but still many of us have made amends and do not judge, so why do ou judge us. And for those who brought Obama up I hope you know that president Obama is half white and grew up in a white community.
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Oh-my-god i’m so glad i found this website, i thought i was the only one thinking some whites think superior of themselves. I have a problem day to day trying to calm myself, i go to a university filled with white people and im latino, totally out of my comfort zone. Most of them only hang out with their own race or people of their status (what’s the difference). I dont like to hate on anybody but i just cant stand the site of them. I feel belittled by them, though i know it doesn’t matter how poor i am or my ethnicity because i see what wealth does to them and to other races. It doesn’t have to be about race all the time but, that is how it seems when i am in their presence. Most whites are republican, meaning they care mostly for the wealthy and their interest. I loathe this political view.
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its funny I thinks white love blks most of the time a blk can walk through a whie neigborhood day or night and not be bothered a white would take his life in his hands in certain black areas whites love and support blk athletes if a white person excels in a support thats usally dominateed by blacks blacks willignore ther accomplisments or deny them like larry bird or the heavy weight champs I see white kids tring to be black all the time while blacks ridcule white culture in a perdominatly white school a blk kid can be a hero in a mostly black school the whites will be victmized
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@ Jim.
What you believe is a common White person’s stereotype of the way things are, but in reality, not really. I went to buy a car engine from a parts yard in the mid 1990s and I was actually attacked by two White bikers. One of them was threatening me with his chains saw. My brother’s car broke down some years back in Northern California and the mechanic warned him not to try and sleep in any of the motels for fear of him being attacked. He had to sleep in his car, in the garage overnight. We could fill this blog with individual White racist incidents, I’m sure.
What you have to remember is that Black people are RESPONDING to centuries of being royally screwed by hateful White people. That explains some of the “difference in attitude.” It may sometimes be misplaced, but it doesn’t appear out of nowhere.
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Abagond:
It’s not about hating white people, It’s about telling the truth about white people. White people don’t want to hear the ugly truth about themselves, and their ancestors, Too Bad! Denial only makes it worse for whites on this planet, because the anger that blacks have within them grows and grows, and becomes combustible, and that’s not a positive outcome for either side.
Tyrone
Reality Mode
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Jim wrote: “its funny I thinks white love blks most of the time a blk can walk through a whie neigborhood day or night and not be bothered[.]”
Aftering driving 54 miles to a Walmart in Centereach, NY to buy yarn, of all things, I had a white man intentionally try to run into me with his wheelchair. He was going to hit me from behind but luckily I turned just in time bend and hold my arms out to keep the chair
from forcefully making contact with my torso and legs. Happily for the loving and kind whitefolk of Centereach, I started ordering my yarn online after that.
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jim wrote: “its funny I thinks white love blks most of the time a blk can walk through a whie neigborhood day or night and not be bothered[.]”
Yeah? I’ve lived in predominantly Black neighborhoods all my life and many times have seen white men strolling leisurely down the block, like they owned the place. Even in the supermarkets, no one bothers them, and they hardly even get a double take.
Personally I avoid walking through white neighborhoods as much as possible (it’s just not a chance worth taking), but I have shopped in stores in white neighborhoods. Can’t say ANY of those experiences were actually pleasant ones — always got plenty of evil-eyed stares/fake smiles, white women (they’re usually the worst) sniffing and coughing as they passed by me. Even had a cashier about 10 feet away pinch her nose when she noticed me looking at her. I was on a slow line and was hoping she was coming to open up another register (I thought to myself, “and Merry Christmas to you to, Miss”).
Often had security guards OPENLY follow me all over the store. Had a white girl cashier at Sephora in Roosevelt Field Shopping Centre literally throw my change in the direction of my palm — coins flew everywhere. (I no longer shop at Sephora.) Once I even drove 54 miles to buy yarn (not easy to come by in NYC for some reason) at a Walmart in Centereach, NY, only to have a loving soul of a white man, in a wheelchair, try to ram into me from behind. Luckily for my legs and back, I turned and saw him just in time to bend over and, with my arms outstretched, push against the armrests of the wheelchair as he/it closed in on me.
Happily for the loving whitefolk of Centereach, I started ordering my yarn online after that. And I do all of my other shopping where the customers/workers can manage to be civil toward me, i.e. Black, Latino or multiracial shopping areas.
Oh, and if you want to read about at least 2 cases of Black men who were murdered for walking through white neighborhoods (one during the daytime) look up “Yusuf Hawkins murder ” and the “Howard Beach murders”. Those came readily to mind; there are plenty more….
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Yeah I hate white people. They hate us and don’t apologize for it. Oh some of them grin in your face but it doesn’t mean sh-t. When it gets right down to it they are predators and murderers and they know it.
So yes I hate white people and make no apologies for my hatred.
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@Parfum Bleu
Are you kidding me? God-fucking-fordbid someone was rude to you! And it was obviously racially charged and not merely because they were a rude individual. Please.
And how dare they smile at you!!! You poor, poor oppressed individual.
And what they hell does sniffing and coughing have to do with anything? It’s called allergies and/or a cold. I have never, in my life, heard of someone coughing or sniffing to insult or show disdain for someone.
And as for the cashier not opening up.. uh, you don’t know how that store operates. There could be a slew of reasons she didn’t open up the line. And if it was a long slow line you were standing on, it was obviously not a personal attack on you.
Get over it and grow up
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I am white, and I respect and appreciate what u have said
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I grew up in an place that didn’t have many black or white people. Growing up I didn’t understand why there was racism. Then I moved to the south and I think it’s a culture thing. It seems like black people commit more violent crimes, don’t know how to behave in public, and let there children run around pretty much unchecked. That being said I don’t think it’s because they are black. I think people need to put the race shit aside and realize that there is no “acting black or white” but there is acting ghetto and behaving with self respect.
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@Anon
My apologies for offending your white female sensibilities, but while you can afford to the luxury of a grand delusion about racist whites being anomalies of bygone eras, (and that whites should always be given the benefit of the doubt by Blacks–even when a Black person finds herself the only minority shopping in a store in a suspiciously lily-white enclave, and is being given a type of negativity never experienced in Black or even multiracial communities) it’s not a luxury I can afford. Something that James Byrd, Yusuf Hawkins et al should have also been mindful of…they all might be alive today.
If you think the incidents I mentioned are the only ones, you’re dead wrong. I had been putting up with your folk’s racial “rudeness” for years. Starting with when I was bused into a white neighborhood to help integrate a nearly all white local high school. Nearly being rammed by a bigot in a wheelchair is basically what stopped me from wandering into YT-town to do my shopping. But you keep on thinking up rationalizations for why so many of your folks are so rude to a lone Black woman quietly shopping in their midst. Now if I can’t find it in Black/Latino/multiracial community stores, I order it online. Consequently, the chances of me being crippled for not being white have been drastically reduced.
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You know, it occurred to me after I wrote my response to you, Anon, that you only picked out and get your panties in a twist over incidents that you thought could be left up to interpretion as being merely rude (remember, you’re only reading a basic account of my experiences; you were not there to witness any of it) while ignoring the more blatantly obvious incidents I spoke wrote about. Go and develop a sense of integrity, then get back to me with your self-righteous drivel, Anon….
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“white people do bad things too and, unlike with black people, it tends to get overlooked or played down”
LoL, lets compare that to the gang and everyday violence blacks afflict on every race including their own and how we never hear about it. Or how about the stats on the percentage of blacks in prison compared to the amount in the area and the stories we never hear on why they are all there. They must have done something but where is the story? I have literally seen dozen of time a black person calling a white person a racist name in from of other white people and all of them just act like it never happened. Or maybe the author of this would like to take a trip to Africa and see what black people do with power? Oh yeah, don’t take your wife or kids because they’ll probably be raped and infected with HIV. Then again a rebel group may get lucky and make you their slaves or just chop your heads of.
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“Or how about the stats on the percentage of blacks in prison compared to the amount in the area and the stories we never hear on why they are all there.”
@fff
Zek ..? Is that you??
lol
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Testing for self esteem amongst various races, blacks score the highest, with black women scoring higher than black men.
How can it be that blacks, who face this onslaught of racism by whites, have a higher self esteem than whites?
I’ll tell you. Firstly, there is no onslaught by whites, its a crutch used by blacks and fostered by black leaders, news media, and hollywood. Secondly, whites also face this same group-think barrage of anti-white messages, hence their guilt and lower self esteem.
Interesting that in this entire piece by Abagond, not one contemporary concrete example of white racism was listed. If the problems of blacks all stem from slavery, this seems to be a problem within blacks themselves – how can I help?
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King: “I went to buy a car engine from a parts yard in the mid 1990s and I was actually attacked by two White bikers. One of them was threatening me with his chains saw. My brother’s car broke down some years back in Northern California and the mechanic warned him not to try and sleep in any of the motels for fear of him being attacked.”
Perfume Blue: “NY to buy yarn, of all things, I had a white man intentionally try to run into me with his wheelchair.” “white women (they’re usually the worst) sniffing and coughing as they passed by me.”
Just a couple of examples I could have pulled from the comments.
Bikers – yes, they were probably racist against blacks but here’s the key – whites ostracize biker gangs, we don’t like them. Blacks do not do the same to their own anti-white racists, ie: blacks love their anti-white comedians.
The other examples would fall under the category of paranoid delusions; coughing and sneezing (I guess I better watch myself next time I have a cold); wow. I think paranoid delusional thought is behind most of black anti-white thinking.
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Do I hate white people? Yes
Was I born hating White people? No
Is it the hate that hate produced? Yes
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Testing for self esteem amongst various races, blacks score the highest, with black women scoring higher than black men.
Wow! After all black people have been through its heartening to hear this…Tell me, why were tests such as these done? What background did the individuals have – were they poor rich i.e. did they all fit a certain demographic?
How can it be that blacks, who face this onslaught of racism by whites, have a higher self esteem than whites?
Tut tut, you musnt speak for ALL whites here, just because you suffer low self esteem in the face of black people doesnt mean others worldwide suffer this envy that you do.
I’ll tell you. Firstly, there is no onslaught by whites, its a crutch used by blacks and fostered by black leaders, news media, and hollywood.
Now you’re talking from a black perspective??? Oh yeah, forgot you liked the movie White Chicks and still recommend you embrace the black and white minstrels for when being ‘white’ becomes too frustrating.
Secondly, whites also face this same group-think barrage of anti-white messages, hence their guilt and lower self esteem.
To absolve yourself of guilt, go to church and confess – extremely cathartic. As for your self esteem, and on a serious note here now, stop fretting about what YOU admire in black men/women/people and find your own self worth instead of telling people that you really dont know and certainly dont have anything to do with in your day to day life, how to think and feel.
Interesting that in this entire piece by Abagond, not one contemporary concrete example of white racism was listed
Also interestingly your post started with you talking about test scores, I have to ask the question, what was your interest in sourcing these tests? Is it for work, study, pleasure? Also, besides generalisations, what is YOUR up to date example of black racism? Be honest now as we already know you dont have a diverse circle of friends (which I think is what upsets you somewhat). I reckon you have alienated your black ‘mates’ along the way and you are embittered by this. Your feelings of ambivalence are clear in that you resent aspects of ‘blackness’ yet you apparently have/still?? would date black women.
whites ostracize biker gangs, we don’t like them
Who made you spokesperson for white people? Ask other white people on this blog whether they concur with your assertions, I would be interested in their response.
Blacks do not do the same to their own anti-white racists, ie: blacks love their anti-white comedians. Who made you spokesperson for black people? What knowledge do you have about black people worldwide to make these sweeping judgements? Again, you should ask the black people on this blog whether you have aptly portrayed them here.
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Here’s a short article on the summary. Take home message seems to be the 1. this massive white oppression is not affecting black self esteem and 2. blacks self esteem is higher when segregated (not around evil whites).
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http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/jan00/graylit012400.htm
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This study was conducted amongst children – KIDS. You cant tell me that the people you were in primary/grade?? school with are STILL the same now as they were as a child. A brat wont always be a brat necessarily and a timid kid will learn to be less fearful of everything in life, i.e. it wont necessariyly grow up to be a ‘nervous Neil or cautious Carol’. The point being, experiences, life etc change people and whilst I hope that all children are not plagued with esteem issues it doesnt mean that this will follow them all their lives.
The article also said that the differences were in self asteem were ‘small, but statistically significant considering the large number of studies included’ and that those black children under 10 had slightly lower scores than their white counterparts
What this means is that it is surprisingly ‘significant’ considering the potential impoverished, less privileged position that these black children have that they dont let it affect their esteem. i.e. they are comfortable in their own skin…. at the moment.
It also states that wealthier black children do not have the same self-esteem advantage as their less-wealthy peers. That might be because they often find themselves in school or other settings where they are relatively few in number compared to wealthier whites. Other studies have shown that both black and white children who constitute a very small minority in a school setting can suffer lower self-esteem than if they feel like they are part of a group.
This shows that, white privillege is prevalant i.e. wealthy black children often find themselves in the minority in school/social settings and that they are outnumbered because there are more wealthier whites.
It also demsonstrates that when ANY individual is taken out of their comfort zone and is not amongst people of a similar background, they often feel like a fish out of water and their self esteem can suffer.
Does this ring any bells for you? Are you really that hung up on what your experiences were in grade school that you use this as ammunition to make your point – come on man.
When you start to make your way in the big wide world as you know, issues of confidence and esteem become paramount. It can become the difference between being succesful at an interview cos, whilst you dont have the qualifications on paper, you wowed them with your confidence and ‘can do’ approach compared to the person who is not able to be personable or look the interviewers in the eye.
This is not to detract from the fact that ‘esteem’ is important in school life – of course it matters but its relative. As a child, you are under the care of a parent/guardian and you are shaped and moulded by the home environment therein. When you go to school, you then need to learn to ‘fit in’ with your peers and its getting that balance right that is the tricky part which children struggle with. Get with the ‘right’ group and you can become popular purely by association, get with the ‘wrong’ group and school and social settings can be the bane of your existence. Children learn to be suspicious of people who they deem ‘different’ and anyone who isnt craving to fit in and become part of the ‘norm’ can find themselves taking on the brunt of it all.
I saw a female that was in my year at school recently, and we were reminiscing about the schooldays and people and she turned to me and said, ‘yeah, you probably wont know about that as you weren’t really popular at school were you’ I laughed. This woman, nearly 2 decades later still talking about being ‘popular’ at school when I have moved on with my life ages ago. I told her to ‘get a life’ which made her start and she obviously had a re-think, knowing how ridiculous she sounded and said, ‘well not popular amongst the people I hung round with anyway’ – she’s right, I deliberately avoided them cos they were morons!
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@ Brahms
The take-home message is that, like with rape statistics, you believe what you want to believe:
1. There are plenty of examples of current white racism on this blog – which you either overlook or dismiss.
2. The studies on black self-esteem go both ways. Some show that blacks have higher self-esteem, some show the opposite. If you seriously wanted to understand the issue you would know that.
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“1. There are plenty of examples of current white racism on this blog – which you either overlook or dismiss.”
And he will like he will dismiss any and all examples of current white racism whenever and wherever they pop up because they tell what he doesn’t want to hear.
“2. The studies on black self-esteem go both ways. Some show that blacks have higher self-esteem, some show the opposite. If you seriously wanted to understand the issue you would know that.”
He does. He just focuses on the kind that will boast his warped self-esteem.
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Abagond – yet you never list truthful examples of this racism. You may say that educated blacks make a lower salary than equally educated whites – I don’t see it and neither does the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education:
http://www.jbhe.com/news_views/47_four-year_collegedegrees.html
“New statistics from the Census Bureau confirm the powerful economic advantage that accrues to African Americans who hold a four-year college degree. Current figures for the year 2004 show that blacks with a college diploma now have a median income that is 95 percent of the median income of similarly educated whites. Blacks with a doctorate actually have higher incomes than similarly educated whites. These are extraordinary achievements that have been consistently overlooked by most commentators.”
Where are these other self-esteem studies? This study looked at all the other studies so I’ll go with this one – you’ll focus on a single study (black girls prefer white dolls or something) and I’ll stick with the meta-analysis.
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Demetrea
“What this means is that it is surprisingly ‘significant’ considering ”
No, it means what it says, “statistically significant” – it a statistical term which means that the chance of the results being random is below such and such a percent.
“That might be because they often find themselves in school or other settings where they are relatively few in number compared to wealthier whites.”
Or it may mean that their parents don’t push the “your better than whitey” mentality and so they don’t have this false sense of superiority.
“This shows that, white privillege is prevalant i.e. wealthy black children often find themselves in the minority in school/social settings and that they are outnumbered because there are more wealthier whites.”
A white kid in an all black school feels even worse and for good reason. Again, this is not racism, its the natural feeling of feeling uncomfortable! How you gonna fix that?
“Children learn to be suspicious of people who they deem ‘different’ and anyone who isnt craving to fit in and become part of the ‘norm’ can find themselves taking on the brunt of it all.”
Yes, if you don’t care to fit in (ASSIMILATE) then you will not feel you are part of the group (who’s fault is that?) – elementary my dear Demetria.
If some blacks feel out of their comfort zone then perhaps they shouldn’t assimilate but then please stop complaining about whites and keep to their own people and neighborhoods. Let the blacks that can assimilate have a good life, leave them alone.
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Young blacks might experience slightly higher self-esteem overall because they often have a strong ethnic identity, while many young whites do not, she said
The emboldened bit I think is what bothers you far more than anything.
You forgot to say that your ‘study’ was inconclusive in that it states ‘”Many of our findings — for example, that the self-esteem advantage for black participants increased with age and was related to the sex composition of the sample — underscore the need for long-term studies of self-esteem development in males and females of both racial groups,”
This test is neither conclusive or definitive. It alludes to certain demographics but does not categorically clarify. If I had used this as a source when doing my degree, my tutor would have sent me back to the drawing board…
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Demetria – its a meta-analysis, its the best thing out there.
“Young blacks might experience slightly higher self-esteem overall because they often have a strong ethnic identity, while many young whites do not, she said”
Strong ethnic identity – um, doesn’t that kind of take away a bit of steam from your all-whites-are-the-same allusion? Whites have less ethnic cohesion than blacks yet whites are working as a unit to discriminate against blacks; doesn’t fit. And why do these blacks have this strong ethnic identity? Because black parents teach them that they are different than whites! Boy, blacks are really dedicated in building this non-racism society aren’t they? When I grew up, my parents emphasized that the black kids were just the same as me; not so in black families. Now lets hear the denials.
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Robert
“Do I hate white people? Yes
Was I born hating White people? No
Is it the hate that hate produced? Yes”
Gee wiz Rob, think of how all the white victims of black violent crime feel. Were you mugged by a white guy or something?
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“Gee wiz Rob, think of how all the white victims of black violent crime feel. Were you mugged by a white guy or something?”
@ Brahms
I only have one question for you. If YOU were mugged not once, but let’s say twice, by a white guy, would you consequently come to hate all white people?
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wake up white people
wake up black people
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2007/05/blacks_are_more_raci.html
Why isn’t Al Sharpton demanding that black sports professionals, black actors, black rap stars and black millionaires use their wealth to bolster business and economic development in poor, urban black neighborhoods? Huh, eh, what? Why does Oprah open schools in Africa instead of Detroit?
Because she and other successful blacks have given up on black America. And young blacks know there is no one to care or help them, so they are left with nothing but crime to get their piece of the American pie. That a quarter of young black males are in prison is the fault of all the blacks who have made it and turned their backs on their own race. It is the fault of all black demagogues who blame whites for all the misfortunes besetting blacks in America, instead of placing the blame on themselves.
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Anon M – yep, if at the same time I was treated poorly by blacks – yelled at by passing cars, shoulder bumped for no reason, saw my mom cussed at and called a honkey bitch by a black man – yep. Now, if I was mugged by two Asians – no, wouldn’t feel that way because Asians have NEVER shown racism towards me or my family.
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I do not hold hate for blacks though and that’s because I have known honorable blacks as well (you guys should try that). I was once surrounded by 5 blacks as a kid – it was one of your “beat whitey” nights I guess – and an older black guy saved me (I don’t think he liked N$%#$% too much himself, in other words, he was ASSIMILATED).
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Strong ethnic identity – um, doesn’t that kind of take away a bit of steam from your all-whites-are-the-same allusion?
Why on earth would I say that when I KNOW different. I’ll leave the envy, bitterness and generalisations to you….
BTW, is your illiteracy due to you being a cracker i.e. the continued ‘toying’ with different spellings of my moniker? Did you not complete your education or something? Or, as I alluded to earlier, are you mindful of one of your exes when you ‘converse’ with me…
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If some blacks feel out of their comfort zone then perhaps they shouldn’t assimilate but then please stop complaining about whites and keep to their own people and neighborhoods.
I dont have anything to complain about on that score – it is YOU who is constantly comparing and bemoaning your situation…
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How can it be that blacks, who face this onslaught of racism by whites, have a higher self esteem than whites?
Perhaps this is why:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/04/us-europe-mental-illness-idUSTRE7832JJ20110904
They’re(whites) nuts!
how can I help?
STFU, that’s how!
Demetrea
Hey, how’s it going ‘Demetrea’? Who the hell is ‘Demetrea’?
Strong ethnic identity – um, doesn’t that kind of take away a bit of steam from your all-whites-are-the-same allusion?
Not really, if anything it gives me gas. This causes me to flatuate uncontrollably. Try being in an elevator or on a bus afflicted with chronic flatulence!
When I grew up, my parents emphasized that the black kids were just the same as me; not so in black families. Now lets hear the denials.
I deny it!
Were you mugged by a white guy or something?
I robbed a white man but the sucker only had chump change on him! Next time I’ll try a bank!
I do not hold hate for blacks though and that’s because I have known honorable blacks as well (you guys should try that).
That’s mighty white of you! Thanks.
I was once surrounded by 5 blacks as a kid – it was one of your “beat whitey” nights I guess – and an older black guy saved me (I don’t think he liked N$%#$% too much himself, in other words, he was ASSIMILATED).
I was once surrounded by a group of Saturnians. Tars Tarkas saved my buttocks! I guess he was ASS-imulated as he has four buttocks! Anywho, there was a sale on at the local mall so everyone dropped what they were doing and ran to it. Saved by the sale!
Do you type this tripe with a straight face?
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I am pure evil.
After sauna, of course.
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“Gee wiz Rob, think of how all the white victims of black violent crime feel. Were you mugged by a white guy or something?” – Brahms
You’re a particularly silly and tiresome racist who relies on tired old racist clichés and stereotypes to troll this site with. Ongoing systemic institutional White supremacist racism perpetrated by a majority of White people you ignore, deny, excuse and try to minimise despite all the overwhelming factual irrefutable evidence. You are not to be taken seriously, you are a fantasist living in an imaginary White supremacist world. Unfortunately the racist attitudes you display are not uncommon among your people which is why I’ve grown to despise you.
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I haven’t bothered to read the comments, (considering the post, It’d probably be stupid to). Even though I’m white, I really liked it. I’m not a self-hating white; I was expecting to read it and be all “That happened so long ago, it’s not like that anymore! You’re judging too!” Because I only barely understood racism from this point of view. In a short and simple post, I actually understand. It is logical and true, not just hating whites for the sake of hating, and I learned from it. Thanks!
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Actually, looking back on one of your posts, you have misquoted me whether wittingly or unwittingly I cant be sure..
The website that YOU directed me to quoted the following “Young blacks might experience slightly higher self-esteem overall because they often have a strong ethnic identity, while many young whites do not, she said”
Then you responded stating the following Strong ethnic identity – um, doesn’t that kind of take away a bit of steam from your all-whites-are-the-same allusion?
Whats wrong with this picture i ask myself? Is this evidence of ‘white’ blame. The article made the observation but you try to call ME out on it. The same article that YOU directed me to!!!!!! Now, a decent person would apologise – lets see what you do….
The crux of the matter is that YOU feel like you are missing out on something hence you coming on here and continually throwing your toys out of the pram with words such as ‘assimilation’ and ‘beat whitey’.
Comments such as this also
yep, if at the same time I was treated poorly by blacks – yelled at by passing cars, shoulder bumped for no reason, saw my mom cussed at and called a honkey bitch by a black man – yep. Now, if I was mugged by two Asians – no, wouldn’t feel that way because Asians have NEVER shown racism towards me or my family.
And this..
I do not hold hate for blacks though and that’s because I have known honorable blacks as well (you guys should try that). I was once surrounded by 5 blacks as a kid – it was one of your “beat whitey” nights I guess – and an older black guy saved me (I don’t think he liked N$%#$% too much himself, in other words, he was ASSIMILATED).
Are a revelation and I suspect are fears that have manifested themselves over time.
Bottom line here is that you desperately want to ‘assimilate’ yourself with black people but, your past experiences and inner fears are preventing you making that move…that and the fact that you are insanely jealous of what you deem to be aspects of black culture that you will never feel able to embrace. I suspect thats why you date across ethnicities as this is potentially the only way you may indirectly become involved with black male peers.
You better pull yourself up by the bootstraps mate, nothing a female despises more than some lame individual who can’t ‘man up’ and is constantly bitching about his peers.
@Herenith
PMSL – as usual – I love your style 🙂
@Hannu 😉
@Demetria – you rock …..lmao
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Rob
Please, tell me about this institutionalized racism – you see, its kind of hard for a white guy (who grew up in the hood or at least a partial hood) to sympathise with this BS. I actually know exactly how blacks think about whites (and its a hell of a lot worse than how whites feel about blacks) – you’re the typical pissed off black buy that didn’t get the promotion or the job (or the wife maybe) who takes out his frustrations on every white he sees instead of looking in the mirror.
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Demerrea
Blacks have a stronger ethnic identity – a stronger cohesion – a more monolithic aggregate thinking pattern. Ergo, if anyone can be said to have institutionalized racism its blacks, not whites. So, the ” all whites are the same” caveat of black thinking looks to be false; if anything, all blacks are more the same. A real time example would be voting patterns – blacks vote for black candidates at almost 100%; whites voted for Obama at 44%.
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Demeerra
Not at all, there is a part of me that is simply very irritated with blacks. Being in the black community for those formative years allowed me to see many facets of black people and I feel for the honorable blacks who are being sidelined – by people like you and the others on this forum. I’m simply sticking up for the honorable blacks (yes, they don’t want my help, don’t need the help of a cracker, bla, bla, bla, I know).
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Whats wrong with this picture i ask myself? Is this evidence of ‘white’ blame. The article made the observation but you try to call ME out on it. The same article that YOU directed me to!!!!!! Now, a decent person would apologise – lets see what you do….
Quote the WHOLE section and then respond….I wasnt asking for your rationale here, I was pointing out the fact that YOU are trying to blame ME for something YOU sourced on the web. Come on, be a man and ‘fess up! Thats all that I’ve been asking you to do on here all along.
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Abagond:
Black people waste a lot of time and energy trying to get along with whites on this planet. I can’t control how whites view me as a blackman, and vice-versa. We shouldn’t focus on that nonsense. Getting right and exact as a race of people is more important at this time. How can we interact with whites, when we’re not comfortable in our own skin? All of the self-hatred that we see within our race has to cease before any form of civil discourse can take place. I can interact with anybody, because, I’m grounded in my blackness. I’m not fooled by the bs…Period! Whites don’t scare me, they know who they’re dealing with, and they act accordingly. They play games with sistas and brothas they can take advantage of. There’s no need to put them on blast, we all know who they are…Ditto! A black person with a sharp mind will never enslave themselves to anybody or anything!!!
Tyrone
Black Eros Movement
L.O.R.A……Listen…Observe…Remember…Analyze
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Brahms:
Sure you did Marshall… I mean Brahms. Did they not take your rapping seriously because you were White until through perseverance and skill you showed them that yes you could rap too? Was the place you grew up called 8 mile by any chance?
There are many posts on institutionalised racism on this very site. The only way you could still be oblivious to it is if it is because you want to be. You prefer your racist worldview so you ignore everything that disproves it. That is magical thinking Brahms.
Brahms:
Yes and then the white talking unicorn led the Aryan people to Mount Caucasion and gave them the magical amulet and said “Use the power of the amulet wisely” and then flew away to Atlantis.
Brahms:
I blame White people for the many racist things they have done to me and my people in the past, and for the many racist things they do in present. For my own mistakes I blame myself. But as a racist you believe Black people blame “whitey” for everything and take no personal responsibility for anything. A completely racist stereotype.
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@ Brahms
So how exactly do blacks think about whites? And how do whites feel about blacks?
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Please, tell me about this institutionalized racism – you see, its kind of hard for a white guy (who grew up in the hood or at least a partial hood) to sympathise with this BS.
He doesn’t have to tell you weet FA, STFU.
you’re the typical pissed off black buy that didn’t get the promotion or the job (or the wife maybe) who takes out his frustrations on every white he sees instead of looking in the mirror.
You are the typical white racist who has deluded yourself that everything is hunky dory, else you and your commonplace ilk wouldn’t be able to look at yourselves in the mirror!
Demerrea, Demeera
There is a perfect example of systemic racism; calling people out of their names. I wonder if you are doing this on purpose? You can’t be bothered using the correct names/monnikers? Either that, ‘Demeera’ has hit home with some of her counter-arguments and is pissing you off!
I’m simply sticking up for the honorable blacks
You mean the kerchief heads who know or unkowingly realize their ‘place’
So how exactly do blacks think about whites? And how do whites feel about blacks?
He doesn’t know, that’s what copious amounts of liquor consumption does to you.
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Blacks/Whites/Browns/Yellows what ever hate them all, why do racial groups hang with their own? Why do races breed within their own?
People can relate to colour, Blacks,whites,etc stick to their own. Interracial relationships are small as percentage therefore there will always be different races leading to different skin tones. White people will claim no wrong doings for the present or past, Blacks will always blame the whites for slavery, Asians will play the game having a secret agenda, common denominator – NO Trust.
White are evil just like blacks\browns etc., however unlike whites they cant claim past events didn’t play part in our present culture which is very much a lie, if it wasn’t for the past Whites wouldn’t be in such strong position. Its easy to say that looking down but hard to take looking up!!!
Blacks hate to singled out by the whites, browns hate being the work horse, Whites don’t understand the hate “if you dont like here you can go back”, well no one can go back because no one hears about white packing up and leaving even though they’ve cause more grief than all other race’s combined.
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I don’t know about you all, but I’m done. You can’t talk to the narrow minded.
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If we were to look into everyone’s mind we will all be shocked. Racism isn’t simple and never has been plain to the eye. Whites prospered through hatred and segregation they’ve gained much, now the blatant hatred has taken as back seat (for now or want us to think it has), they want everyone to love them. It’s easy to call it narrow minded and not give into the media rubbish of love and harmony just look at the last 10 years, whites war for greed!
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NB*This comment does not supersede my last post which still awaits a response.
Not at all, there is a part of me that is simply very irritated with blacks.
Part of you – how about ALL of you. This is encompassing your whole being.
Being in the black community for those formative years allowed me to see many facets of black people and I feel for the honorable blacks who are being sidelined – by people like you and the others on this forum
*sigh* Dont try to categorise me – you know nothing about me or who I am, lumping me in a group and ‘hoping’ that your stab in the dark is right wont help you either.
I’m simply sticking up for the honorable blacks (yes, they don’t want my help, don’t need the help of a cracker, bla, bla, bla, I know).
You can profess that you are here to assist honorable black people all you like, however, you are both disingenuous and dishonrable in turn as your motivation is to promote yourself as you feel slighted by BP and hold a grudge against all BP because you feel you are ‘lacking’ in some personal sense. I actually feel a smidgen of sympathy for you as I can see that beneath the veneer of beligerence and blame that you really do have very little self worth. What is unnaceptable though is how you are trying to ‘deal’ with it. I imagine that if you want to be ‘accepted’ by a group of people and are trying your damndest only to be continually rejected is upsetting and frustrating but, reading between the lines here, they clearly saw a glimpse of what you would be like if you didnt get your own way as you are portraying on here, an ignorant little prick and whilst some people will potentially persevere with you on an individual level, to have you immersed in their day to day life is too much I guess. Feel free to tell me differently but I strongly suspect I am right hence you taking the time to ‘toy’ with the spelling of my moniker as this is the only way you feel you can undermine my responses to you.
I laughed when I saw your response to a commenter:-
you’re the typical pissed off black buy that didn’t get the promotion or the job (or the wife maybe) who takes out his frustrations on every white he sees instead of looking in the mirror.
Take the black and replace with white and its you! You and I both know that black men dont face the same ‘envy’ as white men in terms of their physicality etc. To you, they come across as confident and self assured, hence your link and talk of ‘self – esteem’ (only this demonstrated who much you wanted to make your point that your source, did not match your assertions). You bitterly resent this and you know damn well that the crux of your ‘irritation’ is that you feel less of a man than your black counterparts. This is your problem and you need to own it…and deal with it cos it seems to be eating you up inside.
You can’t be a beast to look at as you have had girlfriends (so you say) in the past so stop with this ‘blame’ game and, take life by the balls and man up – this forum might be a good way to enable you to understand your frustrations but, the way you have posted on here in this dishonest and derailing fashion will not enable you to progress on a personal level.
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@Herenith
Demerrea, Demeera
There is a perfect example of systemic racism; calling people out of their names. I wonder if you are doing this on purpose? You can’t be bothered using the correct names/monnikers? Either that, ‘Demeera’ has hit home with some of her counter-arguments and is pissing you off!
It’s like being at school where the boy next to you/behind you pulls your plaits to be annoying and get your attention cos they cant express themselves well in other ways….
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What I can’t stand are the “white people to the rescue” syndrome that many whites seem to possess. I’m including liberals and conservatives. For some reason these people think if they took an entry level biology class or wrote an essay on racism that they understand why the world is organized the way it is. I’m black and it took me a while to understand WHY. The problem is that some whites shut off their ears when it comes to blacks, so they repeat the same Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson lines. Or the “don’t be an afrocentrist” crap. What fool would ever think this is mainstream thinking anywhere that blacks live? I’m black and I had to research this crap but plenty of lazy whites that type in the word racism on youtube think they know the deal…they don’t. I would tell whites to read Alexes de Tocqueville’s account of slavery or the Moynihan Report. Both written by white people with their heads on straight. I would also tell them to research Nepalese people or any people subjected to inferiority for centuries. If whites still aren’t convinced look up Appalachian people and the history of Scots-Irish. I had to do all this research to understand myself. I don’t hate white people, I don’t feel inferior to them or any of that crap. As it stands I’m actually superior to many of them on the academic front, I tutor many of them in college in Calculus, Chemistry, and Biology…I’m kind of a nerd,and hopefully I will get my BS in Biology Summa Cum Laudea baby!!! lol. What I see is that there is a dichotomy inside many of them. A lot of them are racist from this society or from their upbringing and many of the younger ones are struggling with this dichotomy. They see someone like me and they go “wha???? But I thought!” Or someone like Barack Obama or any old black kid honestly and they realize that they were lied to. It’s kind of sad to watch honestly, they struggle b/w their racist past and the realization that their world view means nothing. Many of them become angry and try to lash out at other blacks. It’s why they come to these blogs. Because inferior Africans and superior whites is written into their culture. Niggers are written into their culture and they are weary of anyone who tries to upset that old order. But it’s not just whites. Many people have to understand that black people are just as racist as whites are…only blacks are racist against other blacks. It shows up in a lot of stats. I know people say it’s cultural, but the fact that some black people call eachother “nigga” is suggestive of some deep, social, psychological issues. Most blacks don’t hate white people, most of them fear white people to be quite honest or feel inferior to them, and want to be them for god’s sake. Black people hating white people actually shows, at least to me, that that person has a good sense of who he or she is. It’s logical for blacks to hate whites, just like it’s logical for natives to hate whites…because of the past. As for racism being the destroyer of black mobility that doesn’t sit with me. Black self-loathing and self-hatred is the true reason why blacks are so poor. Black people just don’t have enough self-esteem to move themselves forward. How do I know this? Well, the most educated blacks are usually recent immigrants or descended from immigrants. Barack Obama and Eric Holder (Barbados) are perfect examples. Furthermore, we don’t live in a command economy; what I mean is that laissez-faire economics essentially means that money is far too disorganized for anyone to properly economically oppress anyone.
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Ask yourself why does the white man want to share a table with you, he didn’t 90 yrs ago. Ideas/Ideals don’t change times do and the means to enforce and manipulate people have. Whites took over foreign lands, they changed things to replicate the homeland should anyone else do that now they don,t like it “fuck off back from where you came”, funny they don’t practice what they preach.
Slavery in America continued well into the 60’s, imperial Britain enforced slavery in Asia well in 1940’s. Africa is truly fucked and the blacks are doing exactly what the whites intended them to. Whites hate India/China because they fight the whites with the same capitalist weapons, the slaves are fighting back. All races should stick to their own block the whites out.
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I am white, and i dont blame you for being racis. I mean.. we have afterall treated you like shit so its our time to be a little spacious and deal with a bit of skepticism. Hope and think all of you know that a lot of white people hate rasicm, but i know there is alot of white “takers” out there!
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@ Black&German:
“It’s not that I see white people and automatically think something negative about them, but rather that, when they treat me rudely or wrong me in some way, I tend to assume that their motives are racist, whereas with black people — or other minorities, for that matter — I would think they are just being rude.”
I am sort of the same way, although I tend to think that even other ‘minorities’ are as racist as whites, not just rude; especially if they’re from countries that have been heavily influenced by American or ‘western’ culture.
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@ africanblackmilitant:
“I dont hate white people, to me they are not important enough to hate. I don’t hate white people, I just want black people to stop loving them.”
Co-sign! I would add this:
“I don’t hate white people, I just want black people to stop loving them simply for being WHITE!”
When we can all TRULY judge people for the content of their character, and not the color of their skin, hair, and eyes, we just MIGHT start getting somewhere…and yes, I include myself in my admonition.
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so, if a white person is rude, they’re racist, if anyone else is rude, they’re just rude. I just don’t see how that’s right. I wish I could say stop judging others, but it happens all the time, and EVERYONE does it. anyone who says otherwise is lying. so why can’t we agree to disagree, and say that yes, there is some hatred between people of different ethnicities/skin colors, but that it comes from our ancestors, and that we aren’t born with it, its taught to us.
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Justaman,
Racism is beyond rude, it’s dehumanizing. No one’s “born” with it, but at the same time, those whom have largely created it won’t “kill” it. And so, it morphs into different, yet equally destructive forms on the targeted people and the ones responsible. However, those responsible don’t know they are doing themselves in by their own creation.
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I don’t hate anyone of any race at first acquaintance EXCEPT those who harm children. People who intentionally harm children can die and I’ll dig them up and scatter their bones.
When it comes down to it, I’m more comfortable with US born people of whatever color that someone born elsewhere simply due to commonality of culture I think. I find foreigners fascinating, but I’m always cautious of their motives. I recently worked closely with someone over from China briefly on a joint project and found we had much in common in spite of our different backgrounds. He was actually far more liberal in outlook than most of the immigrant Asians I have met. I’m currently working with an immigrant from India who of all the people in the world hates his Pakistani neighbors the most, and the British second. He is a really fun guy except for those two hates.
I don’t “hate black people”. I don’t hate any groups of people except pedophiles. I haven’t known that many blacks but those I have were smart and honorable. My wife’s most recent boss was black, but from Canada. We both like motorcycles. My wife thought he was sexist to a degree but liked him anyway. He left the company for a better opportunity (at Cisco). He lives a few blocks from us now (we moved).
The bad image that current people have of other people alive currently is due primarily to what I’ll call bad advertising. Bad news sells press. Black person graduating from Caltech is not news, it happens every year. White racists make the news, not those working to end the problems. It is a mistake to draw a conclusion about any race because the vast majority working and simply trying to survive and make ends meet aren’t represented. They aren’t Hollywood, they aren’t criminal, and they aren’t superstars. They don’t spend any time whatsoever thinking about other races and what they can do to them. Most people aren’t gang-bangers, rap stars, KKK members, corporate tycoons, or sports stars. The average American probably has a negative net worth – for all races.
Hating someone because of race likely means hating someone with more in common with you that not. The enemy is the haves, the legacies, the money, not those also trying to get a piece of the scraps left behind.
By the way, if you are in the Americas occupying a piece of land you too are on Indian land. There is no pointing at your white renting neighbor demanding what they are going to do about that Indian land while you are in the exact same boat. Nobody chose to be born here of whatever race. Some of us apparently did a better job of picking our parents (read “well-off”) than the rest of us.
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I’m currently working with an immigrant from India who of all the people in the world hates his Pakistani neighbors the most, and the British second. He is a really fun guy except for those two hates.
I mean, why would he hate his country’s closest mortal enemy along with the people who once oppressed his country. Go figure.
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Why are they mortal enemies? The similarities are stronger than the differences.
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How interesting that their name is Loving:
http://shine.yahoo.com/love-sex/tender-photos-unearthed-turbulent-time-235100316.html
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How interesting this man’s public defender was named Mock:
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actually I’m feeling pretty good, drinking shots, cheers my black brothers.
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really contrary opinion aside, I love you guys.
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I am white, but am I too blame for all this power the “white people” have and all the racism that has happened? This is complete and utter bullshit, if a white person said I hate black people etc they’d beat the shit out of them so what makes black people different? I’m not racist either but I hate the way black people think they can do anything and be rude to white people, every black person is loud and rude, stereotypical right? Well that’s exactly how you were…
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Hi All Friendsvof Mine! Good Evening! My Name is Allen! Today, I Want
To Write This To You About Why Do Some People Really Hate Blacks & Whites! That’s Not Right Because It’s Bad And We Don’t Even Know They Are Just Yet! Maybe Some People in The Past Are Stupid Enough To Think Blacks & Whites Are Evil But They’re Not Regardless We Are
Still Strangers in This So Vast World! Right? Ok Good And So, Please
Treat Them Nicely And So The World Will Live As Long God Wills!
Thanks!
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Ignorance blinds. I have always said that hate isn’t bound to a race, nor is there any “reverse-racism” just racism. You clowns rant and rage about how poor white people treat you, yet you treat them the same way. There is no logic in that. The white people born today do not owe you anything more than the equal respect you give them. There is more black on black crime then there is white on black, or white on white. Majority of rapes are black on white. If these were reversed the country would be in an uproar. And news flash, Obama wouldn’t be in office if white people didn’t vote for him too. I am 3/4 Cherokee, yet I hold no grudge for what a people did centuries ago. I care what is going on now. We all have blood on our hands.
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@Jeff
It was up into what the 1970’s when the goverment was sterilizing native women without them knowing about it?
Even just sticking to the actions taken in the late 1800’s, that still only puts that at hundred+ years ago, not “centuries”.
But yes; the last couple decades White People haven’t been sticking it to Native People’s “as badly” as they were.
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I live here in Maple Ridge, B.C Canada…a hick town. I hate it here. I feel like I am constantly being watched, and judged every time I walk down the street. Even in class, I am the only black person there. It is frustrating and sad really. I feel lost, confused and inferior. I use to live in Portland, Oregon and yes there are a lot of racist up North but nothing like here. Your race and even something as simple as your name, has a big impact on employment and even dating. It’s hard to find anyone to speak to, because no one sees what I see…everyone (Blacks) excuses what the whites do. Canadians man, mostly Western Canadians (Albertans included) are some of the most racist whites in North America. Unlike Americans, Canadians are low key(in the closet) about their racism. And don’t even think about bringing that shit up, or you’ll get stoned. After searching up the web, I happen to come across your blog…and I’m sorry to say this but I am beginning to hate WP. 😦 Abagond, you have opened up my eyes, and my mind. I can not trust them. If a group of ppl look down on me and MY people as though we are inferior, than why shouldn’t we do the same to them. We Blacks are the most hated race on this planet, believe it or not. The chains have broken off, but they (Whites) “have” us; mentally. I am Dominican but obviously Black, I sometimes even feel disgusted with myself..just the thought of having “white” in me..gives me chills. They think we are all the same, they don’t know the difference between Caribbean Blacks, English Blacks, Scottish Blacks, or Latino Blacks..to them we are all Africans. I have been looking for work for a year, using my real name…not “ghetto”..its Spanish and I never got a call. I got an idea to use my middle name, and I finally did it..I got a call today…on a Sunday. See, it’s not all in my head. What should I do, what can I do..anybody help ?!..they’re everywhere lol
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I feel for you, Loomingsdale12
nice insight on northwest Canadian mentality
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@ Loomingsdale12
Sorry man.
Stick it out as best as you can then move out of there. That’s what we did.
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Here is what i think–maybe i’m a bit late on this one as i am a new poster–but i think most of us (despite color) have come to use the words racism, bigotry and prejudice interchangably.
These words may go hand in hand and bare connections, but they have totally different meanings. I will attempt to explain:
Racism is the ability by one group to control the livelihoods of another group through media, politics,education, war, law and economics based on skin color. The group right now that has the upper hand in this peculiar practice classify themselves as “white”.
Bigotry is when a said bigot is unwilling to relax certain beliefs and assumptions he or she has about a particular group. Bigotry at times has nothing to do with “race”. A bigot can have a strong dislike of people with different sexual orientations, or he/she can be agaisnt certain people with religious affliations. Example: Christians who believe all Muslims are terrorist!
Lastly, prejudice–this is where bigotry can overlap but still not enough to confuse the two–is about having preconceived notions about a group. This is where the said offender has no prior experience with the group he or she seems to dislike and it is largely based off irrational thinking.
So my point is this–until black people are able to control the minds of unassuming white children through the “Dick and Jane” readers by inserting our images, values and customs, gain control of most political offices to influence politics, rewrite laws to fit our social agenda and so forth–we cannot be labeled racist. We can be biased and prejudiced agaisnt whites but not “racist”
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Brothawolf made some comments saying that , and, I tend to agree
“Dick and Jane” still doesnt have any black people in it?
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“Dick and Jane” still doesnt have any black people in it?”
Lol @ B.R. I think it may have featured one African American family during its run in the public school system, but basil readers in general tend to have only white children in them.
I worked as a curriculum specialist when i first finished undergrad and the reading program issued readers that had stories and illustrations that mostly featured white children. If we live in a “melting pot” shouldn’t childhood readers reflect this reality?
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I just wish everyone could look past color of the skin, its fucked up. I don’t hate anyone for the color of their skin. Only because of how they act. And it seems that you are extremely ignorant in this topic.
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I am white. Have I enslaved anyone? No. Did I take anyone’s land? No. Do I have any feeling or inclination to teach young americans to prefer one race over the other? No. Realize that “white” and “black” are blanket terms and that you claim to try and judge people on who they are, yet you ultimately still use these “white” and “black” terms in this article as though it speaks for everyone. Try a little harder next time to judge people based on their individual personality, as you claim that is your goal…
Bottom line: there are people who aren’t worth shi* in every race, jerks, and whether your green purple beige or a magic dancing banana it doesn’t make a difference.
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Both sides of this argument disgust me. I read one of the linked white blogs, and it was repulsive. I’m white and I have a daughter that is half white/half black, and it breaks my heart that she might be faced with being ashamed of her black heritage or her white heritage. At what point does the argument move forward? I agree with “me”. I cant change the past, and I can’t even begin to fathom a way to make up for it, but I also can’t be blamed for it. I can only control me, and I can only teach my children how to appreciate and be respectful no matter what. A jerk is a jerk because they are a jerk not because they are black or white.
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Hating whites is wrong no matter the reason. I am a Native American woman who is married to a white man. Do I blame my white husband for stealing native land? No, he wasn’t present at the time. I never go out of my way to insult anyone for being white or black,Hispanic or whatever. I do have trust issues with people but it ain’t due to color of skin. I got that way while spending five years in a women’s correctional facility. I may not trust you but I won’t hate you. Hate is stupid and no matter the reason, it shows you are worse than the ones you hate. If you’re still bitching because of the slavery issue or who stole whose land…get over it and put it behind you because it did not concern you. Yeah bad parts of history but that’s just it, it’s history.
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I am young supple white boy. But I actually hate white people. I wish I was a young supple black boy but sadly every morning I wake up with the same white face and nasty pale skin. Black people look better and they always have great tans and they look better in tank tops, which are my favorite…. I wish I could do the opposite of what Michael Jackson did!
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As a young black woman having grown up in Orange County, I am living proof racism exists. I was picked on most of my life by my white peers for my skin, hair, lips, what have you. I was not prejudiced against whites until this happened. I find that now, I have a deep dislike of them. Especially the ones who are blind to their privilege. I constantly hear “why isn’t there a white entertainment channel. You have BET.” I want to scream that EVERY channel is WET. I don’t relate to most of the programming on most television stations and in most magazines. They are so privileged they cannot see how good they have it. I’m eagerly awaiting the day when I can move into a predominately black area.
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I presume your a black person ? Well it’s perfectly understandable to see why You have a certain amount of hatred towards whites , black slavery , dominance , kkk , white pride , basically treating black people like shit !! I’m white but I feel for u cus so many years of bad treatment of blacks by whites has made u feel like ur not worthy perhaps sorry for putting words in your mouth if that bit isn’t true , good luck and stay strong ,be proud and don’t let anyone bring you down a color doesn’t make a person better than another it’s just years of brainwashing that made whites believe they where and are still better !!! It’s being nice but being able to stand up for what u believe in , being honest , loyal to ur loved ones , making a good life for yourself , that makes u a good person not the shade of your skin ! How ridiculous ! Good luck to you 🙂
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all YOU PEOPLE who cant trust whites…your laughable. your problems must be laughable too. ok yeah hitler was white, there were a lot of evil white ppl. there are a lot of evil black people and middle eastern, indian what have you. do you pay attention to the news ever? YOU CHOOSE to play the race card, you choose to play the victim card when you see white ppl better off than you. It has nothing to do with race. you make the bed you lay in. Some of you have a disadvantage big deal so did I, I’m white.
As far as slavery and kkk and shit. Blacks, your ancestors did suffer. but because of them suffering you now are in a better country than what you would be in if the whites never brought slaves over from africa. Right now all of you would be dying of aids, being slaughtered and raped by child soldiers in places like the congo if your ancestors had never been brought over on the white man’s ships. keep that in mind the next time you want to hold a grudge about something that happened hundreds of years ago. Its not rocket science
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Whites always talk about the race card but Black people didn’t stack the deck. WHITES DID!
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@Abagond Before anything I hate any kind of racists (this include black ones), to me they’re an sub-group, living on ignorance and in idiocy.
But I simple not condone blacks going in the same way (NBPP, Nation of Islam, Nation of Jave, Nwabanism, etc…)
You said power corrupts. So has corrupted Malema, Robert Mugabe and other african leaders.
The corruption existed before, between the angels of God ( oops, you’ve religion? What religion?). This angel is shunned forever from god and becomes know as Satan, Lucifer, Devil, etc.
Satan corrupted Adam & Eve, corrupted another angels and many of the humanity.
U.S.A need stop this afro-vitmism and look ahead! If not trust in me look to Asians, Middle Easterns,Jews.
They stayed complaining? NO!!! They GO to work and to show to the world they can overcame their tragic past.
I hate black people playing with their victmism. One thing is the slavery and the Civil Rights Era ( Sad but real) But the actual problem is themselves!
My country made attacks against Paraguayans in no circumstance we hate them ( or them have hate for us).
Set aside the slavery and Civil Rights era. African-Americans needs out of the 60’s & 70’s to 21st century!!!!
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I am black , I don’t hate white people. I dislike a lot off white people for what they did to my people. I dislike the fact they stripped us of our values , they try to take credit for our success , they have taught our people to hate them selfs and our people fell for the trap. In Africa we were queens and kings , we valued family , we were carpenters welders miners we had gold , we built things. We were the first Christians , Catholics , and much more. We had the first church that still stands in Africa. Our first queen lead a thousand man army to victory. We had meds. We had values and traditions we have lost sight of. We are ignorant because the old white man taught us self hate and stupid after stealing our goods and self worthy. Gold diamonds oil structure and inventions were ours . Now we’re nothing but bling big booty , tidy no value having poor , stupid people who know not even half of our worth. We are our own down fall. But I don’t hate white people I do however dislike some of there great great great grand folks.
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Of course I hate most humans. IN FACT EVERYONE HERE IS OBVIOUSLY FUCKING HUMAN. The humans that I have a deep hatred into the most are ignorant and racist ones who really put down other races for no reason. Stupid people right?
There shouldn’t be a need for racism though because one day another species will reign over humans and wipe the shit out of the motherfuckers. If there is one type of animal that I have to be discriminating against it would as a matter of fact humanity. I’m not a human by the way I’m reptilian and I think they are superior to most humans.
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“Have white people made progress?”
Short answer: NO
Long answer:
Depends on how and who is defining progress. Typically progress is defined “as advancement or movement toward a goal”.
Evolutionary scientists generally think that in aggregate human groups have only one goal, the survival of themselves and their families. Everything else is in service to that goal. Many would say that religion is in service to that goal.
Progress would require a goal, something to advance towards. Do whites in aggregate have the goal of treating blacks (and other minorities) like family, of ensuring black survival? Obviously not. Blacks and whites still live in a near completely segregated society. Black wealth despite the end of Jim Crow 50 years ago is almost nil. 1 in 4 blacks males is in jail on probation or dead. Newark, Detroit, the list is long.
Inarguably blacks now have more access, better treatment, and benefit more from American citizenship than ever before, but was that because white society saw the light and made progress? Or was it self-interest – necessity? Voters in Alabama didn’t overturn Jim Crow. Voters in Boston didn’t integrate the schools. Voters didn’t free the slaves. Voters did enact restrictive voting requirements. Over and over it has been the US Marshall Service, the FBI, the Army and Federal Courts all dominated by elite whites that have loosened the grip of local white domination of black society. Why? Because elite whites are good and have progressed?
It would be reasonable to assume that elite whites continental and global empire needs blacks acquiescence to the empire or at least passive acceptance of it. You can’t have a war at home while you’re doing business worldwide. Blacks (and other minorities) must be co-opted. Give them something, some bit of enfranchisement and secure their willingness to die for the empire. Plus its good p.r. to not be a slaveholding country in a diverse world. You can’t expect a man to die in the jungles of Vietnam and not have a vote. But that isn’t a goal. Its a means to an end.
I posit that white elites generally came to the conclusion in the late 50′s that the forced coercion of blacks (and other minorities) was counter-productive and that the continued domination of north America by whites and domination of other groups around the world is better served through limited cooperation with American blacks and minorities. The goal is white survival/domination and that has not changed. The means to the end has changed.
To quote Abagond on the Greek Philosopher Thucydides:
“Thucydides taught me that human nature is the same in all countries and all ages. That men are driven chiefly by self-interest.”
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dr kola kolawole, male psychiatrist from Hamilton Ontario had been convicted of second degree felony, forcible sexual abuse, and third degree felony forcible sodomy molestation of three juvenile patients at the ontario facility where he worked and sexual assault of a highschool girl in a park. He destroyed my daughters life, Merry Christmas
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@Pam
Do you have a link ? A Google search of Dr. Kola Kolawole reveled no such story yet.
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