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Whites are still racist

Thu Jun 5th 2008 by abagond

White Americans are still racist when it comes to blacks. They are not as bad as the whites who gave us Jim Crow, the Klan, the Nazis or apartheid, but they are still racist. It is not just a matter of a few rednecks saying the n-word.

Some examples:

If you are black and looking for work and “sound white” over the telephone, then you might call up a place and hear that some positions are open. You get there an hour later and they tell you the positions have all been filled. In just one hour. Or they make you take a test and then do not hire you. But then some white person with less experience gets the position a week later – without taking any test at all! I am not making this stuff up.
I once worked at a place where the whites had degrees mostly from no-name universities while the few blacks who worked there all had Ivy League educations.
Blacks have to stay in school about two years longer to make the same money as a white person.
About 90% of suburban whites live in a place that is less than 1% black. It is not because blacks cannot afford to live there: about 9% of the American middle-class is black. I am a part of that “missing” 8% so I know where it went and why:
When I got married and wanted to move out of New York, I was shown a dozen or so houses in this one place that was south of some railroad tracks, but only one house to the north of those tracks: a small, strange-shaped house no one wanted. The people north of tracks were no richer than I was – but they were white. South of the tracks, where I was shown so many houses, was where the blacks lived. This is called racial steering.
There was a drug war in the part of New York where I lived. Not because it was black and poor: in fact, it was largely black and middle-class. But the police had pushed the war there from other parts of the city. They made it crystal clear they did not care about the lives of black people, not even middle-class ones. So Katrina did not surprise me one bit.
Why is it that when an unarmed man is shot or beaten dozens of times by the police (Sean Bell, Rodney King, Amadou Diallo, etc) he is black, never white?
Why is it that in a country that is one-eighth black and is world-famous for its black entertainers, only one Oscar in 80 for Best Actress went to a black woman – Halle Berry?
Why is it that in a country where a third of the missing women are black the ones you see on cable news are always white?

And so on.

Yes, blacks are racist too but they do not have the power in American society to do even half the things listed here. And their racism is directed more against themselves than against whites.

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Posted in 2000s, 2008, America, race, racism, white people | 181 Comments

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on Thu Jun 5th 2008 at 16:14:22 Felicity Graham

You will always get white people being racist, but not white every person is racist. We need to empower ourselves.

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on Thu Jun 5th 2008 at 19:33:15 TBart

I agree with a lot of you thoughts, but I also feel its not a matter of the color of skin so much as it is profiling. There is discrimination even within races, based on class, religion, beliefs, political view and even appearance. Racism and profiling are alive everyday in America, and that is sad…nobody should blame “black people” or “white people” for what happens in america…blame the people involved, not a race as a whole. I feel that people, white or black, are rare to speak up when the problem doesn’t relate to them directly or their “community”. For example the Sean Bell case, It upsets me that within many white communities issues like this go almost unknown and rarely discussed, but I feel that if the situation were reversed then very few black people would speak up. I think that is our major problem as a society, people should speak out on any major issue, not just issues that effect them directly. We are all people and every issue should effect us a whole, not only within a certain race or class. Everyone needs to understand that white or black, the government and authority figures dont represent every american…don’t blame me i did nothing wrong…but i do sympathize with the victims of these situations and i do loath the criminals taking away opportunities, whatever their skin tone may be…color is only skin deep…one love

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on Fri Jun 6th 2008 at 00:02:52 abagond

I like how Carmen Van Kerckhove of Racialicious put it:

“We’re too wrapped up in our own oppression. I see it all the time folks get indignant about racist things that happen to people in their own community, but when the EXACT same thing happens in another community, they don’t give a crap. If we’re going to move the racial dialog forward, we need to be truly anti-racist – not just anti-things that offend our own community.”

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on Fri Jun 6th 2008 at 00:21:24 yaz

I am glad you wrote about the missing black girls that get ignored. I am so angered by this because nothing seems to change. There is a formula that they follow: young, white, and pretty. The excuse they gave is that if those three things are not there no one will be interested in the story. Something needs to be done but I just don’t know what.

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on Fri Jul 4th 2008 at 01:02:26 nonserviam

“its not a matter of the color of skin so much as it is profiling”

Racial and ethnic profiling is merely a tool of police work. If people with certain characteristics are more likely to commit certain types of crimes, then they should be paid more attention. This may inconvenience the law-abiding members of these groups, but given that their own communities would greatly benefit from the reduction of crimes in question, it shouldn’t be too high a price to pay.

Of course, like any tool, profiling can be misused and abused and that must not be tolerated. But it doesn’t call the usefulness of the tool into question, not really.

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on Fri Jul 4th 2008 at 01:44:00 nonserviam

“I once worked at a place where the whites had degrees mostly from no-name universities while the few blacks who worked there all had Ivy League educations.”

You treat this as a prima facie evidence of racism.

Alternative explanation: Given the affirmative-action admission policies, blacks with Ivy Leagues degrees may be perceived (sometimes erroneously, sometimes correctly) to be less qualified than whites and East Asians with the same degrees.

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on Fri Jul 4th 2008 at 01:59:00 indigoblu

Aba-
You are defiantly correct in your assertion. It seems the media doesn’t cover, not half as extensively, as they would a white person. Another example would be teen pregnancy—school shootings. All these kids seemed to just be “troubled” in some way, and merely needed some “guidance”/help, but when it is someone of another race, the entire story explodes as to say it is a direct reflection of that person’s race (as long as they are not white), not just an “individual” who is troubled and need guidance. No, those people would defiantly be underneath the jail–period.

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on Sat Jul 5th 2008 at 18:33:08 abagond

About blacks with Ivy League educations:

I went to Columbia so I can tell you what went on there: they made it easier for blacks to get in and, to a degree, stay in, but in the end you had to get your degree like everyone else. And, even as it was, it was not like they let in all that many blacks.

And then once you got your degree it did not mean as much: employers apply a discount to your degree if you are black. Even though you had to work just as hard, if not harder, than everyone else to get it.

From what I know, whites use affirmative action as an excuse to do this sort of thing, but they would have done it anyway and found a different excuse. I say that because whites doubt blacks at so many different levels that have nothing to do with affirmative action.

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on Fri Dec 12th 2008 at 00:00:36 anonymous

By assuming all “whites” do these things is to use the fallacy of composition, that is, to assume what is true of the parts is true of the whole. Having a defeatist attitude towards racism won’t ever bring improvement as it seems someone white will never shed the inherent racism you believe they grow up with. After all, you have to give people a chance to show you the good in them, not create a “You against Us” situation

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on Sat Dec 13th 2008 at 01:29:22 abagond

I wish I knew how to bring racism to end. That was not the aim of this post. This post and others like it about whites were written in an attempt to get them to see their racism. Most whites think America is not racist – because the racism does not affect them!

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on Mon Dec 22nd 2008 at 11:12:22 Afromantic

Don’t worry, dude!! I’m fighting to end racism as well…I even get laughed at by my own mother when I give her the history about this government (Freemasonry) and so on…it’ll end soon. As long as we continue to work hard and listen to the concerns of others…it’ll end.

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on Mon Dec 22nd 2008 at 23:40:56 abagond

I hope you are right. On the one hand it seems like too much a part of human nature, but on the other hand America and even South Africa have made amazing progress….

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on Sun Mar 1st 2009 at 02:34:29 andrew

this is just retarded. i agree that sometimes white people are racist but ur making it sound like black people arent racist at all. y is it that we cant describe a black person by saying like oh yea theyre tall and thin and black. no. cuz its apparently racist when we just say that theyre black when they call us white all the time. i dont have anything against black people. i have some black friends but it just sounds like ur way to paranoid about this stuff

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on Mon Mar 2nd 2009 at 01:44:01 a man

I don’t understand why people are racist. We’re all one human race.

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on Thu Mar 12th 2009 at 05:19:24 poetess

Correction: blacks are prejudiced. They do not have the power to perpetrate racism which is a set of privileges based on race in additon to harboring prejudicial feelings.
Only those in power (e.g., white folk) can be racist.

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on Thu Mar 12th 2009 at 05:31:40 poetess

abagond says:
I once worked at a place where the whites had degrees mostly from no-name universities while the few blacks who worked there all had Ivy League educations.

nonserviam says:
You treat this as a prima facie evidence of racism.

Alternative explanation: Given the affirmative-action admission policies, blacks with Ivy Leagues degrees may be perceived (sometimes erroneously, sometimes correctly) to be less qualified than whites and East Asians with the same degrees.

Nonserviam, you just proved agabond’s point. If one is assuming that someone who is black is in college BECAUSE of affirmative action YOU ARE A RACIST.

Furthermore, even if a black person DID take advantage of affirmative action, as far as I know, affirmative action doesn’t study, affirmative action doesn’t do research, affirmative action doesn’t write papers, and affirmative action sure as sh*t doesn’t take exams.

If you can’t cut it in college, that becommes very apparent and you drop out. So why would anyone who not a racist tool assume that a black person’s Ivy League degree is equivalent to a non-black’s non-Ivy League degree?

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on Thu Mar 12th 2009 at 10:13:00 abagond

poetess has it right: it affects who universities let in, but not who gets degrees – you have to do that yourself. Yet many whites are just like nonserviam in their thinking, sad to say.

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on Thu Mar 12th 2009 at 19:41:57 Dedabets

If a person is white – but lacks power – can they still be racist? Or are they meerly prejudice?

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on Thu Mar 12th 2009 at 19:45:01 Dedabets

Living in san francisco – I am not sure how the color of my skin gets me anything more than a bad sunburn…If I have power – I am unaware of it.

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on Fri Mar 13th 2009 at 13:08:58 mynameismyname

Abagond,

How was the racial vibe at Columbia?

Do you feel that even a degree from a highly esteemed university such as Columbia wouldn’t help a black American in the job force?

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on Sun Mar 15th 2009 at 14:27:22 abagond

Yes it helps. No matter what your colour the more education you have, the better education you have, the better off you will be in general.

But do not fool yourself: in my experience a black with an Ivy League education is about the same as a white with a degree from a state university in the eyes of many white employers. When they see that you are black, they discount your education to a certain degree.

It is just like how black singers get kicked off of “American Idol” before less talented white ones. You have to be so much better before whites will see you as an equal.

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on Tue Mar 24th 2009 at 17:15:21 poetess

Dedabets Says:

If a person is white – but lacks power – can they still be racist? Or are they meerly prejudice?

All whites have power through white skin privilege, though admittedly some whites are less powerful than others, obviously. Let’s just look at the missing white woman syndrome for instance.

The fact that a young, white, pretty woman can command media coverage simply because she is white is a form of power. So all whites are powerful because the racist system gives them power based solely on their skin color.

Remember this: racism is more than just prejudice thoughts and deeds. It’s also a system that gives advantages to white people based on skin color and disadvantages people of color. This is why by definition, people of color cannot be racist.

However, we can be terribly prejudiced and I have seen this within my own family. Even I have some prejudices against whites. I would be lying if I said I didn’t have some, even though I love a white man.

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on Tue Mar 24th 2009 at 17:35:49 poetess

Dedabets, here are just some of the many advantages of white skin privilege:

#1 Perhaps the greatest advantage all whites share is not having to think about race (most of the time) or whether people are judging you because of it

Being able to turn on a TV, or go to a movie, or pick up a magazine knowing that you will be represented and your point of view depicted

Going into any mainstream store and being fairly confident that you can easily find makeup and hair products geared toward your skin and hair

Not having people be suspicious of you in certain environments – like going into a store and not being followed as one example

Not being expected to alter your hair texture in order to get or keep a job

Not being questioned as to whether a credit card from an upscale store is yours

Not being passed up by taxi cabs because you are black

Being able to get a good job over a black person even if you have a HS education AND a criminal record

And there are many more examples that I’m sure the black people on this forum can think of that are either personal or anecdotes from others.

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on Wed Mar 25th 2009 at 00:12:33 mike

Poetess, I feel you are incorrect. Blacks don’t get followed around because the COLOR of their skin, but because of the gang culture they associate themselves with.
That’s the thing you have understand.

Rap culture glorifies violence, drugs, stealing, and disobeying the law. Now lets say fore say, that rap was never created and black people became obsessed with jazz music, then there would never be this stigma against blacks.

95% of black identify themselves with hip hop and rap music, so it happens to be that they are portrayed in a bad way. White kids who wear the same baggy pants and long shirts are also followed around in stores –and are just as stigmatized. It has nothing to do with skin color, but because of the rap culture they identify themselves with. I highly doubt every white is out to get you. Also, it’s no secret that the majority of crimes that are committed are by blacks, which leaves store owners with good suspicion.

For example, tne majority of terrorist attacks are committed by Middle Easterns –there’s no denying that. After 9-11, this left the government suspicious of people who are Middle Eastern. It wasn’t because they are racist against Middle Easterns, but because they had good reason, as the majority of terrorist attacks and hi-jackings are from them. 9-11 was a serious thing, so they had an incentive to be suspicious.

Just like during WWII, the government and people were suspicious of all Germans and Japanese and treated them unfairly, even though they were hardworking and decent. But after the war, this stigmatism wore off and faded away. But Rap has been around for 20 years promoting violence, gangs, and stealing, so, this stigmatism against black culture will remain until hip-hop or rap dies outs.

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on Wed Mar 25th 2009 at 00:19:23 mike

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on Sat Mar 28th 2009 at 03:52:33 poetess

Poetess, I feel you are incorrect. Blacks don’t get followed around because the COLOR of their skin, but because of the gang culture they associate themselves with.

Mike, you must be very young. First of all not all blacks associate themselves with gang culture. I certainly don’t.

I understand what you’re saying about white kids who dress in gang/hip hop clothes and your illustration is relevant up to a point.

But consider this. I am in no way associated with the rap/gang/hip hop culture or whatever you want to call it. I am an educated, middle class black woman who dresses and conducts herself as such.

I look perfectly presentable, honest, and trustworthy. Why in the hell then, would I need to be followed around a store? There’s only one reason I can think of. Because my skin happens to be black. And you are telling me this behavior is justifiable because other blacks glorify violent rap culture? Does that really make any sense?

Sure, if I was a surly looking black boy with sagging pants – if I fit the description beyond my skin color, it might make sense to follow me around a store. But Mike, I don’t fit the description. Neither do many other respectable blacks who get followed around stores, questioned as to why they are in certain places, driving certain cars, or possesing certain credit cards.

It’s happening BECAUSE they are black and no other reason. Not because they’re black and they LOOK suspicious. And this has been going on way before hip hop hit the scene, Mike.

Shoot, by your reasoning I should follow every white man around and keep a close eye on them. Know why? 99.9% of all serial killers are white males.

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on Sat Mar 28th 2009 at 19:12:44 mike

Poetess, you are still very young and immature yourself.

Sorry to let you know, buddy, but more whites being serial killers has nothing to do with being followed around.

It has to do with the fact that 90% of stealing comes from blacks. Store clerks have a reason to be suspicious. Who care if I have a higher chance of becoming a serial killer…you have a higher chance of stealing from a store.

And don’t give me shit how they follow you around cuz of your skin color.
#1. They follow all young and adolescent kids around.
#2. They follow all thuggish looking people around (Saggy pants and such)
#3. Whites get folllowed around just as much. I know I have

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on Sat Mar 28th 2009 at 19:16:18 mike

To lil vina: The girl on Youtube was very intelligent. Don’t give me that brainwashed shit either. They weren’t brainwashed by aliens you scifi fuck. Also, you want me to find you like 5 videos or more videos on youtube with blacks supporting whites? Cause I can that kid? Educated blacks support whites. FACT. Ghetto blacks living off welfare and in prison blame whitey for everything. So, quit being ignorant and get passed your old racist views.

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on Sat Mar 28th 2009 at 19:24:06 mike

Oh and don’t tell me I have no experience with black women. One thing I can tell you is that black women like me. Do you know how many black women have said that I have the prettiest eyes? At least like 20. Do you know how many black women have said I’m good looking? Like 10. There also have been 3-4 black women who have asked me out with me hardly talking to them. Also, there have been several more that flirt me and show interest.

I remember there was this one really attractive black girl that asked me out… and all the men probably wished they had her. In the end, I didn’t end up dating her. Other black men were telling me not too. Maybe they were mad or jealous.

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on Sat Mar 28th 2009 at 19:56:37 mike

Poetess, your skin color will only get you so far. Please grow up and get passed your racial views. You only fuel more racism towards you and other blacks. Being educated, as you claim, I would expect more from you. Not every white is out to get you. Just because you get “the eye” or something does not mean anything. I know what your talking about, but it has nothing to do with racism.

Everybody gets followed around at stores. I’ve been harassed at 7-11 by police officers for carrying a backpack. Don’t say ignorant shit like how you were singled out. They either followed you around because your young, dressed like a punk, or was loud and seemed suspicious.

One thing too, is that you were probably believing that they were following you around, when in reality they weren’t. This happens to me all the time. Ill be in K-marts and ill feel as if I’m always being followed around and such. But they happen not to be or don’t even work there in the first place.

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on Sat Mar 28th 2009 at 20:45:17 poetess

People who are behaving suspiciously or look criminalistic should perhaps be followed around in a store. People who don’t, shouldn’t be. And if the only criteria for being seen as suspicious is the color of your skin, then that is racist.

Therefore, try and folow this Mike, if a black person is not behaving suspiciously and is not dressed like those who often steal, then what is the reason they are being followed?

Or put it this way. Is a little black /white street hood more likely to steal from a store or a black man in a brooks brothers suit with a briefcase?

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on Sat Mar 28th 2009 at 22:00:22 racerealist

Question: Even if it does happen, how does “getting followed around” in stores harm you?

Honestly, I think a lot of early and mid-twentieth century civil rights activists would be ashamed of the trivial stuff minorities today whine about. A lot of it is perceived only (“He looked at me funny!”), and most of the rest is harmless.

What about affirmative action? You know, the thousands of white applicants who get turned away from jobs and elite colleges every year in favor of less qualified minorities. Now THAT is something to complain about.

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on Sat Mar 28th 2009 at 23:57:12 poetess

Being followed around is just one of many “petty” indignanties that I have suffered as a black person. And it does harm me on a psychic level. Just having to always second guess is it just me or is it my race is harmful. But I try to not let it get to me. There are many studies that proove racism is harmful to blacks.

Now, with respect to affirmative action since most colleges are overwhelmingly white, I can’t imagine that whites have much to complain about. Besides whites have been taking advantage of the ultimate form of affirmative action for 400 years: white privilege. Not to mention the rich legacy kids who are admitted to colleges like Harvard because their grandpa went there.

My advice to you is to step back, and go read up on some American History and in particular some African American History, because it’s clear to me that you honestly have no idea what you’re talking about.

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on Sun Mar 29th 2009 at 00:00:00 poetess

Lastly, point proven: whites are still racist.

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on Sun Mar 29th 2009 at 01:30:13 mike

Poetess, Poetess, Poetess, when will you understand? Stop using racism as an excuse. That’s the sad reality of it. Only racist blacks use racist tactics.

I know there are a plenty of good blacks out there who defend whites, and I acknowledge you greatly. With you, we will end racism.

Now back to Poetess. Here’s what you fail to understand. Every country in the world is racist. Did you know the Japanese hate Koreans? Did you know the British hate Irish? Did you Puerto Ricans hate Mexicans? Read up on your history and current events kid.

Italians are killing Romanian immigrants in their country because their fed up with their violence. Kind of like the U.S.

My point? Every nation has conflict when another culture comes in and creates problems.

Explain this. Where’s the affirmative action for the whites in South Africa? Whites there are being massacred at high numbers. White farmers are getting their heads chopped off and their women and kids are being raped. It’s barbaric and sick. It’s all over the news. It’s almost impossible for a white person to leave the house without body guards and a loaded rifle. I don’t see any action by the government to defend these whites. Matter of fact, the government actually encourages this violence against white farmers. Whites there are very oppressed and are flocking the country at high numbers. Where is their affirmative action and government security?

Don’t try to tell me the U.S. government hasn’t done enough help blacks, without telling me why the South African government hasn’t done enough to help whites in South Africa. You sound stupid and have no defense.

Also, welfare was basically created for blacks. That was a major attempt by the U.S. government to help blacks –welfare for not working. The projects was also another attempt by whites to help out blacks, by giving them free housing. What happens? Blacks take advantage of all these and use them for free, while taking advantage of the government.

So don’t try to tell me why we don’t want affirmative action. We gave you the projects and welfare and they’ve done no good for you. Affirmative Action is not fair anyway you look at it. Nobody should be turned down because of a minority scoring less. Obviously, if that minority had equal scores to the white, than they should choose fairly. Don’t tell me it’s fair for a white person to get turned down from their dream college with a good GPA to a black with a lower GPA. You sound ignorant.

Your excuse? 400 years of white privilege.
I wouldn’t expect to go to Japan and expect to attend the best college with a lower GPA. Why would I expect to get a fair advantage in Japan because of my white skin? They’ve had thousands of years of Asian privilege. Yet, I’m not going to babble on why I don’t get a free ride over there. The U.S. is actually one the most fairest countries when it comes to minorities. So shut the fuck up and stop complaining.

You sound stupid. You deserve no treatment. I find your comment funny though. It’s only fueling more white suprimests. White supremicy is a growing movment. The KKK has increased from 5,000 members in the year 2001 to 8,000 members in 2009. The Aryan Brotherhood and NeoNazis are also rapidly increasing.

My advice to you. Know some history and the current events going on around you. Don’t use race as an excuse. Barack Obama never used race as an excuse for why he can’t do good in school or attend Harvard. Don’t generalize, it makes you sound ignorant. Also, read up on South Africa and the genocide going on.

And lastly, become social with whites. Your probably living off welfare and have this “hatred” towards whites. Your only hurting yourself. Educated blacks don’t have excuses for everything.

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on Sun Mar 29th 2009 at 04:11:54 mike

Oh and Poetess, please watch this video:

He is an educated black that knows what he’s talking about. Like he said, stop complaining.

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on Sun Mar 29th 2009 at 05:25:54 mike

Abagond, face it kid. Your in denial. Once again, I’m going to see about hacking this and getting it shut down again.

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on Mon Mar 30th 2009 at 19:53:57 poetess

Mike,

I will never “stop complaining” until the racism stops. Shutting up and just taking it is not an option.

I feel like the Jewish people. NEVER FORGET. It’s time that in this country racism was truly faced, particularly by the whites who care to minimize it and sweep it under the rug because they feel uncomfortable.

Well, good. They SHOULD feel uncomfortable. I will say, Mike, that you’re in serious need of some diversity training and/or a horse whipping, preferably both.

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on Mon Mar 30th 2009 at 20:03:16 abagond

poetess: You might not know but Mike has been banned from this blog. Not for his lack of diversity training but for his lack of home training. That led to a new comment policy:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/new-comment-policy/

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on Thu Aug 13th 2009 at 02:54:28 allegra

All people have some racism in them. I admit that I do…
It’s apart of being human.

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on Thu Oct 1st 2009 at 21:38:58 Luciana

If you are 1 hour late , you won’t have the job

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on Fri Oct 2nd 2009 at 21:23:28 poetess

Luciana,

You are absolutely correct. If you’re black any slip up that would be minor compared to a white (if the person so judging the slip up is a racist a**) is negatively amplified a thousand fold.

When you’re black in a white world ain’t no half steppin.’

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on Sat Nov 21st 2009 at 17:42:46 Mira

Ok, I am fairly new to this blog, and I know mike was banned, I just wanted to ask something.

What kind of argument is “I wouldn’t expect to go to Japan and expect to attend the best college with a lower GPA”? I mean, how that can be the same situation? He’d be a foreigner there; black people are American citizens! That’s one thing I didn’t get in his argument.

And I really don’t know about Japan, but all the major universities have special scholarships and additional places for exchange students, so again, it’s not the same.

And I hate when “white male” is considered to be “default human”.

Hope this post makes sense. I am not a native English speaker, but I hope you get what I’m saying.

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on Sat Nov 21st 2009 at 20:35:12 abagond

Good catch: Mike thinks of blacks as not truly American, as strangers in their own land.

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on Thu Jan 28th 2010 at 17:07:28 I'm white

Abagond says: Yes, blacks are racist too but they do not have the power in American society to do even half the things listed here. And their racism is directed more against themselves than against whites.

The only power whites have is the power you give them. Racism is a black issue because they want it to be. Black people on this site are more racists than any “redneck” white person I know. It’s just an excuse to be lazy and not try.

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on Thu Jan 28th 2010 at 17:10:07 L

“And I hate when “white male” is considered to be “default human”. ”

Me too. White is default the rest is “other”.

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on Thu Jan 28th 2010 at 17:34:16 I'm white

If you look for racism hard enough you will find it. Spend your time looking for good and not bad. If you look hard enough for equality you will find it too.

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on Thu Jan 28th 2010 at 17:35:51 islandgirl

Im White,

“It’s just an excuse to be lazy and not try.”

See, it’s men like you… You always have something to say about blacks in general, but are so into black women.

This is the kind of man to be leery of.

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on Thu Jan 28th 2010 at 17:52:30 I'm white

Ok, I’m not “into black women”. I’m actually married to a white women with some Native American lineage. I have dated some and I would have dated more but I found the girl for me.

Read again islandgirl, I said “black people on this site” NOT in general.

My point is that racism can be found everywhere by everyone if you look for it hard enough. We should spend our time looking for positive things and not reliving the past. I’ve never enslaved or raped anyone. I don’t owe anyone anything. Black people on this blog want to focus on racism when they should be focusing on setting a good example for their future generations. Don’t teach them to look for racism. Teach them to prosper and be successful. Teach them to look for good and love, not bad and hate.

Also, I’ve been warned by Abagond so I’m not flirting and I’m trying to stay on topic.

Unity by any means necessary!

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on Thu Jan 28th 2010 at 19:19:52 laromana

I’m white says,

– The only power whites have is the power you give them. Racism is a black issue because they want it to be. Black people on this site are more racists than any “redneck” white person I know. It’s just an excuse to be lazy and not try.

-My point is that racism can be found everywhere by everyone if you look for it hard enough. We should spend our time looking for positive things and not reliving the past. I’ve never enslaved or raped anyone. I don’t owe anyone anything. Black people on this blog want to focus on racism when they should be focusing on setting a good example for their future generations. Don’t teach them to look for racism. Teach them to prosper and be successful. Teach them to look for good and love, not bad and hate.

laromana says,
Black people on this blog (or ANYWHERE else) don’t have to “LOOK HARD” for racism “EVERYWHERE”.

We just have to read some of the INCORRECT, IGNORANT, PATRONIZING, DISHONEST, and HIPPOCRITICAL comments from you (and RACIST/ANTI-BLACK White posters like you).

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on Thu Jan 28th 2010 at 19:27:58 I'm white

Ok, but still you have to admit that most of the “racism” that you say you encounter you fabricate for yourself to fit your own situation. You need a reason for not getting that “good job”. “They didn’t hire me because I’m black”. It’s never, they didn’t hire me because some one else was more qualified.

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on Thu Jan 28th 2010 at 20:53:06 laromana

I’m white says,
on Thu 28 Jan 2010 at 19:27:58 I’m white
Ok, but still you have to admit that most of the “racism” that you say you encounter you fabricate for yourself to fit your own situation. You need a reason for not getting that “good job”. “They didn’t hire me because I’m black”. It’s never, they didn’t hire me because some one else was more qualified.

laromana says,
Again, there’s no need for me (or any BP) to “fabricate racist encounters” when I can clearly see that you’re making NEGATIVE GENERALIZATIONS and PATRONIZING comments about ALL BP with NO EVIDENCE to back it up.

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on Thu Jan 28th 2010 at 20:55:03 islandgirl

I’m White,

I said that you seem to be into black women based on the comments about ones you encounter and one that you comment on on this blog.

Sometimes, you don’t have to look for racism, it is there.

Not sure what Abagond and flirting have to do with the post.

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on Thu Jan 28th 2010 at 23:23:43 abagond

I’m White said:

“Don’t teach them to look for racism. “

This is just what my mother did. So even when people were calling me racist names I did not believe they were racist – if you can believe that! So it is not a case of me looking for racism – racism found me.

Black people do not have to go looking for racism. We do not even after to leave this blog to find it. It comes right out of your own mouth.

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on Thu Jan 28th 2010 at 23:41:31 Herneith

This is just what my mother taught me. So even when people were calling me racist names I did not believe they were racist – if you can believe that! So it is not a case of me looking for racism – racism found me.

I was taught “If in doubt, punch em out” LOL! Only joking! I was taught that anyone calling you a racist name was racist there was no if’s, buts, or maybe. Although it wasn’t characterized the same way as on this blog, certain modes of behaviour were pointed out to me growing up. As for blaming whites for not getting a job, I can assure everyone that we don’t sit around bemoaning these things constantly. However, there is a difference between discussing modes of behaviour and speech, and letting this hold you back. Those that use these types of retorts are trying to shift the blame back onto the recipients, the old, pull yourself by your bootstrap argument.

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on Fri Jan 29th 2010 at 00:43:47 dani

Herneith said:

<the old, pull yourself by your bootstrap argument.

Oh dear! Not the old “Bootstrap argument”. People who say that are largely delusional. To move up in this old White male patriarchy capitalistic society is not move from point A to point B. You have to be creative and getting to where you want. In some cases, some compromise their morals.

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on Fri Jan 29th 2010 at 00:46:13 dani

People of color do not search for racism at all. It comes to us. We don’t just wake up everyday and say “Oh gee! I think I want to be oppress today” yeah right. Just stop with your shanigans! and just admit that you are uncomfortable talking about racism because you are in denial and guilt.

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on Fri Jan 29th 2010 at 01:36:49 Herneith

@Dani:

I’m a masochist, oppress me, oppress me please! LOL!

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on Fri Jan 29th 2010 at 20:35:36 Jallen

Racism is racism and it is what it is. You either are racist or you are not racist. I’ve never known a level of racism. No racists is any better than another racist.

Your examples do not prove or disprove racism, they only list examples of discrimination.

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on Mon Mar 15th 2010 at 23:43:47 Will

Check this out,

You know what’s so funny about most white commenters? They CONTINUE to prove your points. They continue to prove the points of what they say about how they react to racism, and frankly, it’s sad, and it’s getting predictable.

Anti-racists say that whites deny racism, shift the blame towards POC, tell POC to get over it, etc. etc. etc., and here they come on this blog or any other anti-racist blog and PROVE YOU ALL RIGHT!

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on Tue Mar 16th 2010 at 23:22:41 poetess

Precisely, Will. Precisely.

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on Wed Mar 17th 2010 at 13:40:17 Shane

I recently found this site through stumbleupon. I read a few articles here and really enjoyed them. Until I came across these “racism” articles. I highly recommend you create another blog for your thinly veiled hate of whites. Believe it or not, there’s stupid people of every color. You all need to grow up. Almost every one of you is looking to pick a fight with the opposite race. You’re contributing absolutely nothing to race discussion but your horrific “facts” and “logic” that you’re clearly sharing only to further your argument that your race is better. There’s injustices in the world, but we’re all human and equal in the eyes of the people who matter. Get over it.

Needless to say, I won’t be checking back here any time soon.

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on Wed Mar 17th 2010 at 22:10:42 poetess

Shane is uncomfortable with racism and erroneously concludes just because blacks are talking about racism that that reflects a hatred for whites (as opposed to a hatred for racism and the whites that are perpetrating racism).

Shane uses several textbook derailment tactics as set forth in Derailing for Dummies* http://www.derailingfordummies.com/
Including such classics as

We need to grow up (don’t you have more important things to think about*)
You’re looking to pick a fight (you’re being hostile*)
Get over it (you just enjoy being offended*)

Folks like Shane never disappoint.

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on Wed Mar 23rd 2011 at 19:27:13 xxxphantomxxx

honkys are murderous, callous and inhuman both in your words and deeds.

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on Sat Apr 30th 2011 at 10:06:54 gene willis

according to othere races the white man have been the only racists for sixtyfive million years.no othere race could be a doublestanding racist.because they were not around sixtyive million years.only the white man.dose this clarify how long the white man has been racist more then any othere race?only the self rightous minorities stand god like as innocent of any and all facts pertaining to being any type of racist.obama is there god,so whats the differant?minorities make all the noise they want,but the truth is clear of who toats the flag of victim hood higher then any white person.so just keep sniffing the bottle of victim hood and keep feeling better about you’r half ass inuendos of whites are the only racists in the world.

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on Sat Apr 30th 2011 at 10:46:32 leigh204

@gene willis:

“What’chu talkin’ ’bout, Willis?” lol! 😀

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on Sat Apr 30th 2011 at 11:45:10 Gen

LOL Leigh.

Is Gene Willis serious??!! See this is the kind of stuff that makes me wonder if these kinds of comments come from people who are just trippin b@llz. At least wait until you starting coming down before you post ><.

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on Sat Apr 30th 2011 at 14:20:35 abagond

@ gene willis:

You need to take my remedial reading course:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/reading-abagond/

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on Thu Jul 28th 2011 at 03:36:58 gene willis

i finished my schooling.and as far as the date i picked,i figured that’s how long people like you figured white people had slaves in the world.because you,r line of thinking you believe only whites owned people as property and no othere race did.so the time period more then makes up you,r radical ideas of who had slaves the longest.and if you believe differantly,then please,explain why only whites had slaves after that time and no othere race didnt have slaves in the world.

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on Thu Jul 28th 2011 at 04:47:52 clash715

people of all races, ethnic groups, etc are tribal. In psychology, there is a thing called in group/out group thinking that is shown to be pretty universal amongst humans. The in group is your own group, and the outgroup is the others.

It explains the phenomenon where blacks, mexicans, jews and other groups mistakenly believe that they cannot be racist or intolerant. They will use the most elaborate explanations to “prove” they are not as bigoted and full of hate as the “other”, but its just a shallow defense mechanism.

All groups are tribal and tend to favor those that are like themselves, its just that racial marxists and leftist extremists only pathologize such behavior when the so called majority does it.

Its a very minority centric ideology that is devoid of consistency, fairness, or rationality. It is an authoritarian mindset that completely ignores any and all evidence that contradicts the belief system.

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on Thu Jul 28th 2011 at 05:21:39 Jack Bill

Offhand the only way I can say Gene Willis statements apply to this thread as for what has been posted earlier would be Poetess’s redefination of Racism.

Here’s a copy paste of Racism:

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

While Poetess is right; one of the definations is a policy or system of government that works against a minority (I suppose a majority including groups such as women)

Its not the only one; under the other 2 definitions, black people can indeed be racist.

Abagond; you mention don’t be surprised if you get less for a doctorate than a white person but isn’t that actually the one level of education that black people consistently get a higher pay rate than white people at instead of a lower pay rate?

This isn’t to say that there aren’t still serious issues with racism, just felt the need to mention these things.

Like the KKK getting larger; Mike’s argument that its because of black people complaining of racism and not say; there being a black president or the black social group growing on a consistent economic level every decade. Hell; even if he was right, thats still a pretty racist thing to do anyways.

As for using this as an excuse to be lazy and not having a basis in reality, I’m pretty sure they did a study that showed white men w/no degrees and who were ex-cons were still twice as likely as black men w/degrees and no criminal records to get a call back.

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on Thu Jul 28th 2011 at 05:54:59 Parfum Bleu

“according to othere races the white man have been the only racists for sixtyfive million years.no othere race could be a doublestanding racist.because they were not around sixtyive million years.only the white man.”

Yeah, 65 million years ago…only the white man (and the last of the dinosaurs). Was this guy named Fred Flintstone?

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on Thu Jul 28th 2011 at 12:11:50 The Cynic

@Clash715

I partly disagree with you. It is true that there are in/out-group biases, however, it is still very much possible for one group to be markedly more racist/prejudice than another.

I mean, just take white Americans in 1911 compared to white Americans in 2011. Both have in-group out-group biases, but the culture of racism is certainly more prevalent in the former group than the latter one.

Also, what do you mean by “so-called majority”? If you are speaking of white people in America, they are most certainly the majority race in America.

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on Thu Jul 28th 2011 at 13:16:54 jas0nburns

@ clash

you are correct that all people have ingroup-outgroup biases. But you are leaving out a key component. Power. What you have labeled a “very minority centric ideology” is that way because of power imbalance. WP have a very disproportionately high level of power compared to non-whites. This is well documented. Do you think a white supremacist culture is fair or rational?

You sound like the type of WP who would whine about the lack of a ‘white history month” because “black people have one, so why can’t we?” While somehow managing to overlook the fact that every other month is white history month.

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on Fri Jul 29th 2011 at 02:13:54 clash715

Jasonburns, when you say power is relevent that is a lie. Read the definition of racism in a dictionary, power has nothing to do with it. Do you always try to redefine words u dont like the definition of?

Btw, re-read this: “they will use the most elaborate explanations to “prove” they are not as bigoted and full of hate as the “other”, but it is just a shallow defense mechanism.”

It fits your logical distortions perfectly.

Btw, when it comes to wealth it is you that has not done their homework. Best off in america are indians, then jews, then east asians, then white gentiles, then blacks and hispanics. Hell in terms of health, even hispanics are better off than white gentiles…they live longer.

But if you prefer libel, slander, and distortion to rationalize your hatred of whitey, feel free. Just dont try to justify it to me. Your true feelings are transparent and your partiality is obvious.

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on Fri Jul 29th 2011 at 02:19:57 clash715

The cynic,

What exactly do you mean by “the culture of racism”?

Are you referring to affirmative action? Racial set asides? The partiality liberal professors reveal when they consistently denigrate white gentiles and european history, yet ignore the negatives of foreign and minority cultures? Is this what you mean by “culture of racism”?

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on Fri Jul 29th 2011 at 02:47:47 Snowflake

drrr

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on Fri Jul 29th 2011 at 03:31:46 The Cynic

@Clash715

“What exactly do you mean by “the culture of racism”?”
-I mean passing on beliefs of racial hatred and/or hierarchy.

-Come on now, don’t play that semantics sh*t with me.

You can’t possibly believe white people in 2011 are collectively more racist than the whites of 1911 when it comes to their racial beliefs. These two groups just aren’t the same when it comes to the severity of their racism. If their genes didn’t change than what happen if not a change in culture?

“Are you referring to affirmative action? Racial set asides? The partiality liberal professors reveal when they consistently denigrate white gentiles and european history, yet ignore the negatives of foreign and minority cultures?”
-No… i don’t even see how you could think I alluded to any of those things.

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on Fri Jul 29th 2011 at 04:45:06 clash715

Cynic,

So you dont see any fellings of racial hatred on this websites directed at caucasians from africans? Really? Why dont you consider this a subculture of hate?

Also, if you say you prefer africans to caucasians, is that “supremacy”? If not, then why would you insist that a caucasian that prefers other caucasians is a “supremacist”?

In terms of white gentiles changing, it is true, they are less tribal than they were……..even while other groups have become more and more tribal.

As I stated before, tribalism is basically universal, but only condemned with any vigor when the so called majority does it. I say so called because white gentiles are a minority in the world, are a minority in many places in the states, and will be a minority in the u.s. in the not too distant future..

I suggested those things like affirmative action are part of a culture of racism because they are hypocritical policies based on race……..hence, racist.

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on Fri Jul 29th 2011 at 05:37:50 The Cynic

@Clash715

Okay, I can see that this will be my last comment directed towards you. This next clause may come off as a bit abrasive, but quit reading so g*ddamn hard into my comments. You keep running off with all of these preconceived notions of what YOU think I believe, which I find strange considering we have only had a teeny two comment exchange.

“Why dont you consider this a subculture of hate?”
-Where tf did I say this?

“why would you insist that a caucasian that prefers other caucasians is a “supremacist”?”
-Or this?

And quit trying to shift the conversation to this typical white victimization, affirmative action, whites are becoming a minority crap. Omg it’s like you guys are all clones of each other(no, you guys does not equal white ppl). It’s so annoying. I swear some ominous figure of ignorance is giving you all the same damn ignorant pamphlets on paranoid NON-issues. Find some other outlet to talk about those issues you are obviously dying to discuss bc I honestly do not care.

I suggested those things like affirmative action are part of a culture of racism because they are hypocritical policies based on race……..hence, racist.
-What were the races of the government officials who enacted this policy? If affirmative action is “racist” then go talk to the “self-hating” whites that enacted & enforce it bc I could honestly give a damn.

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on Fri Jul 29th 2011 at 05:58:01 clash715

Cynic, youre losing your cool. Am I hitting too many buttons? Making you see things u dont wanna face?

Just because you consider certain topics “non issues” doesnt mean the rest of the world agrees herr king.

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on Fri Jul 29th 2011 at 09:11:55 Franklin

@ Clash715

He’s “losing his cool” (according to you), because you’re being as blatantly cliched and as hilariously obtuse as possible.

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on Sat Aug 13th 2011 at 01:25:29 gene willis

is it true in this country the only thing left for a white person to do is throw themselves onto their knives? will that make everyone happy?

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on Sat Aug 13th 2011 at 01:38:11 King

@ gene willis

…Meaning that minorities are being ridiculous when they mention that, although things have gotten better in some ways, that they are still experiencing prejudice on other levels.

Because you personally feel (from your remote standpoint) that that there is nothing else that can reasonably be done, and there is no more progress to be made, then it must be so. You have grown tired of worrying about this problem… hey, they should all just get over it and move on.

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on Sat Aug 13th 2011 at 15:52:37 leigh204

Looking at the pic above of the Rodney King beating, it’s so hard to believe it’s been 20 years since it’s happened and not much has changed.

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on Sun Aug 28th 2011 at 00:45:05 gene willis

king if moving on was even remotely possibl,the minority hate for whites will still be long lasting.and as for being tired,yes,i had to put up with this since before most of you’r fathers were born.

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on Sun Aug 28th 2011 at 03:19:35 King

@ gene

Put up with what?

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on Sun Aug 28th 2011 at 05:09:28 dave

well blacks are clearly more racist with not as many consequences. But thank God for good black people who are willing to stand up to especially young black racists because if we do it , that in it self is called racist.

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on Tue Nov 8th 2011 at 02:23:25 gene willis

king,have you ever been out and out discriminated for anthor race when it comes to hiring and firing? have you ever been told that the place you are trying for and told that applications are not being handed out and then as a black minority walks in they are handed the application you were denied?have you noticed that open racism on whites is a on going event? havent you notice when test scoring is done that whites are denied promotions and that blacks are given card blonc to lower scores for hiring and promotions.and you ask what am i fed up with? what part of anti racist code for anti white dont you understand?

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on Tue Nov 8th 2011 at 14:24:41 Anon

Preferential treatment of any kind is not cool – or fair. I just find it interesting when the very group of people who started and institutionalized racism get upset when they are the victims of it.

I can certainly answer the questions presented to @ king:

Have you ever been out and out discriminated against for another race when it comes to hiring and firing? YES.

Have you ever been told that the place you are trying for and told that applications are not being handed out and then as a white majority walks in they are handed the application you were denied? YES.

Have you noticed that open racism on blacks is a on going event? YES.

Haven’t you noticed when test scoring is done that blacks are denied promotions and that whites are given CARTE BLANCHE to lower scores for hiring and promotions? YES.

And they ask what we are fed up with or angry about? Duh…

What part of anti-racist code for anti-black don’t they understand? That’s what I’ve been wondering.

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on Fri Nov 11th 2011 at 02:29:20 gene willis

anon,this type of racism was being implimented to the blacks in the past.and open racism on blacks was rampent i agree.however,that corse was amended 50 years ago so hiring and firing of minorities fairly was incheck.but by the same reasoning the check and balance for the same changed for the white male for the past 50 years.afermitive action,unfair hiring firing and scoring for promotions tilted to the blacks for the sake of peace at the whites exspense.so the practice of anti racim which now is code for anti white has become a problem.where do e as a nation become as one in checks and balances?

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on Wed Nov 16th 2011 at 00:44:42 Krs10

I haven’t read the other posts, just throwing in my two cents.

I think a large portion of racism is imagined. Of course I’m white, so someone here will pull the “You’re white and white people always try to turn the tables blah blah” card. Well that is not true. I was walking past a group of students sitting on a bench, headed towards my college dorm. I was holding my key on my lanyard, which was around my neck. I had been holding it ever since I left class 20 minutes ago because I walk fast and it swings around wildly and would eventually try to take out my eyes if I didn’t.
The guys on the bench were pointing and whispering about how I was holding my key because I felt threatened they would steal it.

A lot of the things you post are stereotyping all white people, yet you seem offended when a white person stereotypes all black people. I don’t see how it is any different?

You have a post about Will Smith thinking America isn’t as racist as it seems. I think he’s right. I remember reading about Tiger Woods’s affairs, and many women said he was a traitor for marring a white woman and that he should have married a sister, how the blacks aren’t even wanted by blacks (and yes I know TW is not even 50% black, but these comments were from black women claiming him as black). If Will Smith ever kissed a 100% white actress then I feel black women would complain about that. A kind of “oh of course the WHITE woman gets the attractive black man instead of a BLACK woman” kind of issue.

There are a bunch of racist white people, I agree. But to me it seems that most of them are older, baby boomers and such, that are actually the most openly racist.

When white people are poor, nobody in my area thinks they’re “having a hard time”. They are called “White trash”, “trailer trash” etc.

Whites don’t have nearly as rough a time as any minority group out there, but hell, only the racist whites ever get noticed, so it makes the problem seem much bigger than it actually is IMO.

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on Wed Nov 16th 2011 at 00:47:53 Krs10

Oh, and to make a point about Will Smith ever kissing a white woman and causing uproar, just look at how you complained that the prince in “Princess and the Frog” was too white looking and was not black. It is contradicting.

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on Tue Dec 13th 2011 at 02:57:36 gene willis

liberal rantings.minorities not given a fair or even chances in this country?compair all the ethnic colleges and all the ethnic clubs and all the ethnic supports they have and compair all that to the whites privalage.see if the white man has all these minoritiy privalages given to them by the states and federal goverment.show me the same list as the black minorities have side by side.that also includes being equal in the hate crime laws act of 2009.

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on Tue Dec 13th 2011 at 03:49:48 Herneith

Can you write that in English?

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on Sat Apr 7th 2012 at 12:57:39 leigh204

Of course, there are a lot of whites who are still racist. If they bothered to pull their heads out of their behinds then maybe they would see what’s going on, Instead, the racist, white commenters here and elsewhere are defensive and accusatory.

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on Sat Apr 7th 2012 at 14:31:49 Adeen Danica Mckenzie

@Leigh204
I agree. Whites are racist but other races of people can be racist too. Racism has to go because it isn’t right.

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on Sat Apr 7th 2012 at 14:32:20 Adeen Danica Mckenzie

I mean a lot of whites not all. Sorry for offending some

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on Thu Apr 12th 2012 at 16:53:32 Newsoul

Gene WIllis and Krs10, please learn how to spell because your puncutation is horrid. thanks and much apperciated.

A Black Racist fellow in league with Rev. Wright and the vast Black Racial conspiriacy.

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on Fri May 11th 2012 at 01:06:30 gene willis

sorry,my spelling and punctuations.i try to do my best at typing.thanks for understanding people.

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on Sat Jun 23rd 2012 at 08:36:14 Jones

Black behaviour – Black people are often naughty, and in many different ways – is the explanation to almost all the angst here.

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on Tue Mar 12th 2013 at 10:17:58 Ranzou

You still think white people are racist? Please, as far as science and politics it isn’t heading that way. Hell, people are calling Asians that don’t kiss ass unsophisticated, make cheap products, and copy white technology. All that while thinking that they are short and easy to beat up. And this is coming from all political spectra, and the white supremacists of the right only make up of a decreasing minority.

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on Mon Mar 18th 2013 at 15:10:31 dhal

Yes, they are still racist, they even invented many hate groups.
I could not imagine living in a white country where no laws against racism exists. But Luckily there’s still white without arrogance et tolerant.
If no laws against racism would not exist, it would be hell on earth for all black.

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on Mon Mar 18th 2013 at 15:10:51 dhal

dhal from France

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on Fri May 10th 2013 at 02:43:01 GENE WILLIS

has anyone seen my equal rights in the eyes of the courts? especialy hate crime equality.

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on Tue May 21st 2013 at 00:56:27 GENE WILLIS

by the way,that 65 million years thing,that was to get you’r attention on how minorities see racism in whites only.this is the minority mind set for every person who is white in any country on earth.nerrow minded to race relations and open discussion.

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on Fri May 31st 2013 at 22:14:18 GENE WILLIS

by the way,if you are white,please raise you’r hand so we will know and try not to offend you when we type about race.

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on Mon Jun 24th 2013 at 01:34:07 Rosalinda

@Abagond Oh! You forgot to mentioned the black-on-white racism and the famou black-on-black crimes!

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on Fri Jul 12th 2013 at 15:29:19 Jessica

Sorry but i think you need to do some more research on the subject. I wonder how many white and black people you talked to before coming up with this theory. I’m white and I went to a school that was dominated by the minorities. Anytime someone would want my attention the word “white girl” would come out of their mouth and I would alway wish that the whole world was blind so they would stop only seeing my skin color.

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on Sun Aug 4th 2013 at 20:19:05 GENE WILLIS

how legislations made hate crime law so onesided.and the jewish owned media helping to promote hate for whites at every turn.they would lie and fake ilusion a hate crime if one did’nt happen.and 66% or more of the white community would bow down and agree with these news agentcies from the left.how sad the whites in high offices have turned their backs on the constitution in order to maintain their possitions in office.and how regretable that whites in this country cave in and revote these race hustlers back into office because they feel racist if they do’nt.racism begains and ends by how we vote as a people and who we vote into office.

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on Sun Aug 4th 2013 at 20:38:39 deepdkchocolate

White people are not changing they are going back in time, we as blacks have to realize that we cannot move forward nor can we coincide peacefully with whites.

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on Fri Aug 23rd 2013 at 21:18:00 Abbas

@deepdkchocolate LOL!!! Now you can join KKK!!!!

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on Fri Aug 23rd 2013 at 21:30:49 Abbas

@leigh204 And you are going in the same way as them, RACIST!!!!

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on Fri Aug 23rd 2013 at 21:34:35 Sharina

@ Abbas

I don’t think deepdkchocolate would be welcome in the kkk. As for Leigh, and deepdkchocolate for the matter, neither of them have been on for a while so I don’t think they would respond.

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on Mon Sep 9th 2013 at 00:57:10 gene willis

it is amazing how many deminizing blacks and whites try to make fools out of those trying to get a point across.one guy say’s whites are going back in time,here’s you’r answear to that statement,blacks are taking up were whites did back then.these are blacks wearing white faces doing what the real whites of the 60’s did.the blacks doing that are no more innocent then a baby killer.what we have here,weather anyone wants to believe it or not is blacks acting white from the sixties.and the race hustlers that they depend on for sustinance is the new black kkk.

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on Thu Nov 14th 2013 at 22:57:39 gene willis

i have a valid question for the minorities who keep say,whites get out.and whites stoled the indians land.okay,the white goverment took the land from the indians.the white goverment put the indians on reservations.how many whites in this nation help the goverment do that?i would like actual numbers,not made up numbers.now the minorities who say whites should leave.question,which minority group[ will take over this country?or,will the minorities leave and give all the land back to the indians?so at this rate,which minority group will dictate who leaves or stays after the white people are gone?obama is doing a fine job,look how racist his department has be come over the years.so mr. minority,how would you devide this country?but not take it from the indians?

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on Thu Nov 14th 2013 at 23:37:31 Herneith

The first thing I would do as a minority is try to figure out what the fook you are on about. However, I get the distinct impression you don’t know either. Good day to you!

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on Thu Nov 21st 2013 at 03:47:15 gene willis

if you were a minority you would understand the question.so since you are not,the statement makes no sense to you.to break it down so you can understand,if all the whites were gone from this country and the only people left were the minorities who were never born in this country lets say,600 years ago.which of the minority groups,not the native americans will decide who gets what part of this country.or will they leave and give it back to the rightful owners,the native americans.dose this help you?

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on Thu Nov 21st 2013 at 23:02:50 Herneith

If you can carry my shopping parcels you can stay. That is my criterion as a ‘minority’. I still can’t make heads nor tails as to what you are on about, good day to you sir!

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on Thu Nov 21st 2013 at 23:22:06 Sharina

@gene willis

Please don’t blame your bad grammar on a lack of someone understanding. Learn to put the coma and the period in the correct locations. Learn to use a few comas and periods and then you might get an answer from someone.

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on Thu Nov 21st 2013 at 23:24:09 Sharina

And to attempt to answer your question (because I don’t get even remotely what the heck you are saying). If said “minorities” were smart then they would avoid creating a racist system that judged people on the color of their skin. Thus allowing them not to have this problem in the first place.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 02:53:19 gene willis

hEy,mr. knowitalls,what group is playing the racist game called knockout.is it white people?,is it hispanics?,is it asians?who killed a white baby/WAS IT A WHITE MAN?,WAS IT A HISPANIC?,WAS IT AN ASIAN?who has protection from obamas/.eric holders anti white hate crime law/,IS IT WHITE PEOPLE?WHO SPENDS MORE TIME PLAYING THE RACE CARD/VICTIM HOOD REPEATITLY?IS IT THE white man?WHICH MINORITY GROUP SCREAMS RACIST FASTER THEN ANY OTHERE MINORITY FROUP?IS THE WHITE MAN?,IS IT THE ASIANS?IS IT THE HISPANICS?which president has more protection from scrutiny then any othere white president?is it an asin?is it a hispanic?which president got reelected based on race only?was it obama?

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 02:56:38 deepdkchocolate

I know which group is using the racist law of “Stand your Ground” and it ain’t us.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 03:15:13 dave

@deepdkchocolate… That’s not true… second I don’t have a problem with black people standing up for their fellow man against the establishment.

White people aren’t the only ones who use this law man against man. sometimes right sometimes wrong. look up daniel atkins.

Now as far as any regular person against the establishment… we always lose. Especially since us regulars fight each other over the scraps the establishment leave us. In fact they PUSH division. Because if we ever come together and realize there is more of us than them they would shat their pants.

By the way nice pic 😉

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 03:41:03 Sharina

@gene willis

There was actually a news report showing a white guy along with blacks getting arrested for knockout games.

“WHO SPENDS MORE TIME PLAYING THE RACE CARD/VICTIM HOOD REPEATITLY”—Actually I am noticing a string of whites playing that now. Though I doubt it stopped and it can be played in different ways.

“WHICH MINORITY GROUP SCREAMS RACIST FASTER THEN ANY OTHERE MINORITY FROUP”—Whites are doing this a lot lately as well sooo

“which president has more protection from scrutiny then any othere white president?”—Sure as heck is not Obama

“which president got reelected based on race only?was it obama?”–Which president hasn’t should be a nice real question.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 03:42:44 Sharina

@gene willis

Education goes a long way and half if not all of what you are asking are acts that whites and blacks play. Oddly enough more whites are starting to play it these days. And it does not take being a know-it-all to realize this or see this. It just take not being a complete moron. guess that leaves you out.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 04:03:46 deepdkchocolate

dave
@deepdkchocolate… That’s not true… second I don’t have a problem with black people standing up for their fellow man against the establishment.

U don’t have a problem, but enough of ur people do to create an oppressive ceiling of institutionalized racism.

White people aren’t the only ones who use this law man against man. sometimes right sometimes wrong. look up daniel atkins.

White men , civilians and law enforcement are killing unprecedented numbers of black men women and children and as far as being sentenced and jailed for these crimes the r not even being arrested for it.

Now as far as any regular person against the establishment… we always lose. Especially since us regulars fight each other over the scraps the establishment leave us. In fact they PUSH division. Because if we ever come together and realize there is more of us than them they would shat their pants.

There is no we because ur race can practice post-modern lynchings against mt people and the “law” supports and vindicates your race yet you get to whine about
“knockout”

By the way nice pic 😉

Gee, thanks..

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 04:33:59 dave

@deepdark.. I think we all are now victims to the establishment regargless of color.

I’ll give you an example I can speak on with my Italian heritage. I believe they opened up the flood gates to poor Italian immigrants similar to how they do with modern day mexicans. .. They made them worker bees to work for low wages. So it serves the special interests to pass immigration reform for “Illegals” and they pass it off as the right thing to do in the liberal media.

If I were to stand up to a cop being a larger dark skinned Italian man I would freakin guarantee you they would taze or shoot the crap out of me. Partly to prove a point to us sheep not to resist. It’s not always about race.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 04:38:10 dave

@deepdark.. it’s not just whites that have been victims to the knockout game. But it is a trend with black teens. Now maybe it’s not always about race.. I’ll bet in some instances there might be a correlation. There is no proof either way.

But I will say if one of my nephews were picking out old people or people they thought were weak targets and doing that. I would knock their heads in.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 04:41:14 dave

That’s all I ask. If you want to point fingers at a whole group of so called race of peops, then you should be consistent. I’m not the guy who argues with every post Abagond writes. In fact there are many I agree with. I am here to learn as well and like most of yous.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 04:48:11 dave

Common sense will tell you, however, that if you see a lone old white man and decide to knock his head off, that person who did it is not color blind in my opinion. They know what they did and who they did it to. It’s a shame because of the fact that they are so unsuspecting means they are people that don’t have as much racial bias hence the absolute surprise. So it does damage to race relations imo.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 04:56:42 dave

I’m a big dude I weigh close to 300 pounds. I would never just go up to someone, no matter who , young old, rich poor, black white, etc. and knock the crap out of some defenseless person. Now if someone did that to my Dad or Mom or wife… I wouldn’t be as meek as these victims. Sooner or later you are going to run into the wrong guy. Someone with the testicular fortitude to fight back.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 04:58:43 dave

Look you guys need to look at the absolute reverse scenario. If all these teens were white and all the victims were black… there would be a post on Abagond.wordpress about it. Period.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 05:00:50 dave

It’s like you are more mad at me for pointing it out than what is actually happening.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 05:01:00 Sharina

@ dave

Does it ever surprise you that any and everything does damage to race relations? Makes one wonder what how weak the relations were to begin with.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 05:03:07 Sharina

@dave

No one is mad at you for pointing it out, but you only seem to point out things that have white victims. That is were the annoyance comes in. I will go into some detail tomorrow but I am sick and really tired so I need to sleep.

Later

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 05:06:15 dave

@Sharina I can see that. I don’t enjoy this. Hope you feel better.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 05:08:10 Brothawolf

gene willis

hEy,mr. knowitalls,what group is playing the racist game called knockout.is it white people?,is it hispanics?,is it asians?who killed a white baby/WAS IT A WHITE MAN?,WAS IT A HISPANIC?,WAS IT AN ASIAN?who has protection from obamas/.eric holders anti white hate crime law/,IS IT WHITE PEOPLE?WHO SPENDS MORE TIME PLAYING THE RACE CARD/VICTIM HOOD REPEATITLY?IS IT THE white man?WHICH MINORITY GROUP SCREAMS RACIST FASTER THEN ANY OTHERE MINORITY FROUP?IS THE WHITE MAN?,IS IT THE ASIANS?IS IT THE HISPANICS?which president has more protection from scrutiny then any othere white president?is it an asin?is it a hispanic?which president got reelected based on race only?was it obama?

You mad? 🙂

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 05:10:53 Brothawolf

dave,

Before you further turn these knockout games into another example of black pathology, may I suggest you check out this article by someone who breaks it down using history, including recent history, as a reference:

http://hiphopandpolitics.com/2013/11/25/dont-believe-media-hype-knock-game-propoganda-101/

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 05:13:30 Brothawolf

Furthermore dave,

I really don’t understand your beef here. There are articles talking about these “games”, or rather random assaults and acts of bullying as it should be called, extensively. Why whine that one blogger or two will not indulge in the conversation when you can go to a website that does?

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 05:13:32 dave

My annoyance comes from when I see people that are so intelligent that can’t see the truth. I’ll admit I’m not college educated and some of you on this blog blow me away in that department. But I do write what I feel and have expressed outrage on some cases that abagond has pointed out , especially on executions carried out by the cops. But if you want to fight back against that don’t do it to the innocent. Not saying you or anyone on this blog does that either. Speaking in general terms. The way you feel when things like this are pointed out is the way I feel in reverse.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 05:19:10 dave

@Brothawolf… the fact that you wrote “You mad” says volumes about you. Ignoring hatred is condoning it.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 05:24:38 dave

@Brothawolf… I speak what I felt on the subject… giving examples of another opinion doesn’t sway mine. Use your own words if you want to try to convince me.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 05:26:11 dave

By the way I didn’t bring it up… I responded to someone .

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 05:37:17 Brothawolf

dave,

My annoyance comes from when I see people that are so intelligent that can’t see the truth. I’ll admit I’m not college educated and some of you on this blog blow me away in that department. But I do write what I feel and have expressed outrage on some cases that abagond has pointed out , especially on executions carried out by the cops. But if you want to fight back against that don’t do it to the innocent. Not saying you or anyone on this blog does that either. Speaking in general terms. The way you feel when things like this are pointed out is the way I feel in reverse.

You do realize that what you consider as truth isn’t always the only truth. Some truths don’t necessarily negate other truths. They are a part of a bigger truth.

That still doesn’t explain why you’re here instead of at a blog or website that does talk about what you think is important.

the fact that you wrote “You mad” says volumes about you. Ignoring hatred is condoning it.

I haven’t ignored it. I just think the response is predictable and tired filled with a truckload of grammar errors and the same old “blame black people” line.

I speak what I felt on the subject… giving examples of another opinion doesn’t sway mine. Use your own words if you want to try to convince me.

Have you bothered really reading the article? Were there not truths to it worth referencing?

Dave, I’ve used my own words to try to convince you on other topics, and I honestly thought I saw a significant change in you. Maybe not because of me, but I didn’t care. I thought you were genuinely reforming your mindset. Yet, sometimes I see you revert back to the Dave that I first ran into. So, I dunno.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 05:51:18 dave

@Brothawolf I have always been the same guy. I have my views you have yours. imo yours are a little more closed minded. Me being here isn’t the same as you going to a skinhead blog. Here people actually will have a civilized debate with you. There are other black blogs that I would not frequent.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 05:56:06 dave

… comment in moderation.. cont. I did read the article. However , I don’t agree with it because although cnn and other news outlets may have some agenda as they do with some reports, you can find countless examples of this phenomenon on youtube and alternative media as well.

My thing is even if it is overblown and only 1 life was lost due to this foolishness, that is enough. You should value human life regardless even if it has a white face.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 06:59:20 Pay It Forward

“Brothawolf
“”gene willis

“”hEy,mr. knowitalls,what group is playing the racist game called knockout.is it white people?,is it hispanics?,is it asians?who killed a white baby/WAS IT A WHITE MAN?,WAS IT A HISPANIC?,WAS IT AN ASIAN?who has protection from obamas/.eric holders anti white hate crime law/,IS IT WHITE PEOPLE?WHO SPENDS MORE TIME PLAYING THE RACE CARD/VICTIM HOOD REPEATITLY?IS IT THE white man?WHICH MINORITY GROUP SCREAMS RACIST FASTER THEN ANY OTHERE MINORITY FROUP?IS THE WHITE MAN?,IS IT THE ASIANS?IS IT THE HISPANICS?which president has more protection from scrutiny then any othere white president?is it an asin?is it a hispanic?which president got reelected based on race only?was it obama?””

” You mad? 🙂 ”
_ __ _

LMAO! C’mon Brothawolf! You and I both know the guy was as red as a beet, had a vein pulsating in his forehead, and was foaming at the mouth when he wrote that hot mess!

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 07:17:38 Brothawolf

dave,

Me being here isn’t the same as you going to a skinhead blog. Here people actually will have a civilized debate with you. There are other black blogs that I would not frequent.

What I’m saying is that you don’t have to come here or any other black blog if you don’t want to and if it frustrates you. I know I don’t go to white supremacist sites because it would be a big fat waste of my time. I know I’m not welcomed there.

I did read the article. However , I don’t agree with it because although cnn and other news outlets may have some agenda as they do with some reports, you can find countless examples of this phenomenon on youtube and alternative media as well.

True, but what the article is saying is that it’s not a “black” thing, and how it’s been blown way out of proportion to stoke fear and anti-black hatred. It’s not passing it by, but it is taking a hard, detailed look at these acts of violence. how the media frames it and how it’s anything but unique or black.

My thing is even if it is overblown and only 1 life was lost due to this foolishness, that is enough. You should value human life regardless even if it has a white face.

Yeah. I agree. But why is it the news media turn this into a “game by black youth” when similar incidents have been done by other groups, including whites against PoC. When whites engage in such behavior, there’s never any cause for alarms the way it’s been for black and brown youth.

I remember a video of a large group of young white males rioting in Huntington Beach. I bet you diamonds to donuts no one thought of them as engaging in destructive behavior even though the video showed otherwise. Most people could say “boys will by boys”. This video would never spark a widespread fear of roving white youth, but let these people be black and there would be a call for more cops, tougher laws and a curfew.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 07:18:34 Brothawolf

I’m sorry. It’s “Boys will be boys” for my response still in moderation.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 10:53:34 abagond

Wow. I did a bit of random research on knockout games. It turns out that Steve Sailer has been writing about them since 2012, G.L. Piggy since at least 2011. Both are race realists. I smell a rat.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 10:58:54 abagond

@ Dave

“But it is a trend with black teens.”

How do you know this? You never struck me as an expert on black teens.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 12:31:55 v8driver

@brothawolf, i agree with the ‘knockout game’ link you posted in that the media coverage only shows those 3-4 ‘well publicized’ incidents, the jewish fellow in nyc, the teacher, and a couple other ones. Although there has been a couple incidents on the public transportation lines here in philly, and there has been some ‘warnings’ posted in the papers here, of the ‘trend.’

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 12:33:55 v8driver

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/24028349/dangerous-trend-hits-philadelphia-transit

of course fox news posts something inflammatory…

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/SEPTA-Knockout-Game-Not-an-Issue-for-Riders-232867611.html

and of course the embattled nutter administration doesn’t want people panicking and not using transit.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 13:37:15 Brothawolf

v8driver

When it comes to the news media, it seems black crime is seen through a special lens, the lens of group pathology. They hear of incidents like this where black youth are suspects and turn into a high alert situation. Yet, white suspects are given special treatment of their own. The news media (Fox News especially) never turns their criminal activities into a group pathology. Instead, those crimes are treated as individual meltdowns. It’s always “beware the black youth” sweeps week on the news practically every week. And they know a lot of people trust the news unconditionally.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 14:44:22 v8driver

it just sickens me that i have to feel like i’m going through a jail violence level even more id’ say in the city all day downtown, everywhere or the predatory nature of society at large even then

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 14:45:39 v8driver

which if ya look at it i saw some picture online with captions screaming about terror but mostly it was 2 cops watching a line of traffic of people going to work that are in general well adjusted enough or with the ‘societal compact’ enough that their morality aligns with cooperative work conditions but this is not always the case

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 14:46:12 v8driver

i err on the side of innate nature of mankind is ‘good’

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 16:05:51 jefe

Here people actually will have a civilized debate with you. There are other black blogs that I would not frequent.

M-m-m-h! 😉
– civilized debate
– black blog

OK 😛

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 19:13:30 Sharina

@ Dave

We can look at knockout games as a black race problem but we really need to look at it as an American youth problem. While people want to focus on the “black” and “knockout games” I can tell you personally that American youth are doing some completely azz backwards thrill games. Not to put any spot light on white youth but my husband has had white kids jump in front of his car when he pulled off from a stop sign. I have seen white youth jump into people face as if they are doing a fake hit scare tactic and laughing and clowning with each other afterwards (usually black and white youth in this case). I have been none the less disgusted and annoyed, but Americans really need to get there head on straight about what a problem we have in our youth.

We need to look at why our youth feel they need a thrill in life. Why they seek some of the most dangerous and irrational things to do just to f eel good. These are things we need to look into. Not what race of kid is doing the most damage.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 22:54:45 Brothawolf

Sharina,

I dunno about you, but I’m tired of feeling like I along with the rest of the black community in America have to take ownership for what a few hoodlums have done. And when we argue that we, and only we, shouldn’t collectively be held accountable, we are considered avoiding the problem. Notice that when I say ‘we’ I mean we as in the black community and only the black community.

White finger pointers only see an issue as a serious problem if black people are behind it. That’s when they lecture us. But when the script is flipped, “Oh, those people are individuals. It doesn’t happen often. What about black crime which happens more often!? And blah, blah and more blah.” Anything is said to not turn the issue into a social problem, but to racialize it, while whites doing the same thing or worse gets free passes almost all the time.

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on Tue Nov 26th 2013 at 22:57:46 Brothawolf

Sharina,

Let me rephrase one of my sentences. What I meant to say was when we argue that incidents like the so-called “knockout games” not being a black thing or whatever, that’s when it’s considered avoiding the problem. But when we discuss crimes by whites like the Aurora theater mass shooting or the Newtown massacre, we are then considered racists against whites.

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on Wed Nov 27th 2013 at 05:41:28 Sharina

@Brothawolf

I agree and that is my main issue and why I am starting to just get annoyed with the same old rhetoric. Certain white individuals need to realize that if they are going to hold whites as the “bar of what one should shrive to be” then white need to be better. I have met blacks the think they can do everything a white person does and be treated the same and that is not the case. What it turns out is they get held up as how bad black people are. The poster children for the black community and all the while this deflects from America’s growing problem of a messed up generation of youth with little or no real direction.

I often believe some of our black youth has gained the mentality of whites think we are nothing so why not act like it.

Some whites are starting to wake up and realize they are getting played by the system that kept them in their delusions for so long. I guess you can say whites have their own brand of sleep, half awake, and awake.

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on Wed Nov 27th 2013 at 20:31:54 Brothawolf

Sharina,

Great points as usual.

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on Wed Jan 29th 2014 at 21:12:42 gene willis

ahh,demenizing anyone who expresses outrage.pointing out grammer flaus and typing mistakes.just so answearing a question by some people to make one think they are superior to othere,s.just saying.

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on Wed Jan 29th 2014 at 21:47:28 buddhuu

^ Er… what?

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on Wed Jan 29th 2014 at 22:18:54 Brothawolf

gene willis,

Huh???

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on Wed Jan 29th 2014 at 22:57:22 Sharina

@gene willis

It is not a matter of superiority, but a matter of you learning to better express yourself in a manner than can be understood by the masses. Lucky for you I am good a deciphering gibberish. Now please familiarize yourself with at least a dictionary (because nothing says stupid like using big words improperly).

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on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 03:38:18 janice

I am white, I have no power, and I am not racist. I grew up in a town in, guess where, Georgia. There was racism there. Guess what, It was black people being racist against white people. Whites were the minority. We white kids were pushed out of our assigned buss seats to stand and the buss driver who knew this and yes, was black would yell at us white children. We were called racial names. Why is it a black person can call a white person a honky and it is ok. It sure isnt ok the other way around. Same kind of stuff happened in school. I once took up for my sister which ended up in a fight that I did not start. I got the paddling and the other kid (black) was sent back to class. I saw many of the adult black people who would use the race card just to get away with stuff or get what they wanted and not all but many were just as racist. Several years ago somewhere else a white teen what beat up by several black teens and ended up in the hospital. Clearly this was a racial hate based on other evidence but hardly anyone heard of it. I dont care what color or nationality you are I judge you by your actions no matter who you are. Even after all of that I dont automatically think all black people are racist or hold a grudge. Some people should take note of that and try it. They will feel better. The past is the past and you cant live today by living in the past.

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on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 03:44:38 janice

The people living today were not alive when slavery or racism was started. So to you up there who says that people who started racism shouldnt complain, who can that be? They are dead! I didnt do jack to you. Get real.

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on Tue Aug 26th 2014 at 06:47:59 Je Di Kim

In the aftermath of the Ferguson incident, I was curious about terms popping up on the internet, like “white women’s tears”. A Google search led me here, and I found myself trapped in a web of inter-related posts. This blog has been an interesting read.
I left the US 10 years ago, though only to head up north to what some would call the US’s little brother. There is racism everywhere. Everyone is a racist in some respects. Some terms you’ve used to describe white people and racism have really struck a cord with me. I’ve never felt I was a racist person. Born in the 70’s, I have heard terms from older generations that I found appalling as a child and just bizarre if I were to hear them today.
I almost forgot that my grandmother used to say things like “colored” when I was a kid. I wasn’t allowed to date black boys because my relatives would disapprove. What a weird feeling that was and it was the 1980-90s!
People here in Canada don’t say things like African-American. Of course, it’s Canada, but even if we said African-Canadian, it would be false; much of the black population is not from Africa.
I have so many thoughts on the posts you’ve made. I guess I could comment on every single one, but it seems easier to leave with this thought and then follow your blog for more reading.
I don’t know how we can make the world a less hate-filled place. I don’t know if we ever will move past being white, black, asian, muslim, jewish, and so on. The color of our skin will always be right in another person’s face, and with that we will prejudge that person.
Thanks for the reading and education.

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on Sat Oct 3rd 2015 at 03:55:32 EPGAH

Did you ever consider that businesses refusing to hire people with Black-sounding voices or Black-sounding NAMES might be doing it out of business self-preservation, not just some desire to shutout Blacks?

1.) (Over)generalization is not racism
Racism is a form of generalization, but generalization is not necessarily racism.
Our ability to categorize people, places, and things in a blink of an eye is in an adaptive trait honed over thousands of years. It has helped our species endure in a world of finite resources and large, deadly predators.

The same mental process that elicits fear at the sight of a lion or snake also makes us leary of telemarketers and used car salesmen.

2.) Employers want robots

By and large, employers seek out boring, conformist, non-creative employees that are unlikely to talk back or argue.

Generalization helps employers weed out candidates that stray from this ideal.

3.) People with unique names are more likely to be different

Reason and human experience informs us that parents who give their children unusual names like “Kashmere”, “Rocket”, or “Zabrina” do so in the hopes their children are unique or exceptional in some way (at least, more so than others)– and raise them accordingly.

We can also assume the opposite: that parents who give their children traditional names are more likely to raise them in a traditional environment.

4.) Prospective employers logically dismiss candidates with black-sounding names

“Lakisha” and “Jamal” are more likely to be different (Strike 1!).
But while names like “Braxlee” and “Ryker” merely imply artsy absent-mindedness and irresponsibility, “Lakisha” and “Jamal” have the added disadvantage of portending Awkward Moments (Strike 2) and Potential *Lawsuits* (strike 3).

For example, the name “Lakisha” suggests the parents were steeped in Civil Rights Movement era mythos and the type of militant racial victimhood popular on college campi. This exponentially increases the odds that Lakisha could one day come to work:

·Wearing an Erykah Badu-style headwrap
·Wearing dreadlocks
·Wearing cornrows
·Accusing her employer of treating her like a “slave”
·Claiming criticism of Obama creates a Hostile Work Environment
·Threatening a lawsuit after hearing a racially insensitive joke

The odds that “Joy”, “Bob”, or “Cliff Huxtable” would engage in such behavior is virtually nonexistent.

From an efficiency and legal standpoint, it makes sense for employers to favor those names over “Lakisha” or “Jamal”.

Discriminatory? Yes. Racist? Hardly.

http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/2008/07/dallas-county-meeting-turns-ra.html/
When they’re saying “BLACK HOLE” is “racist”, even the Blackest Black SHOULD admit that “Crying Racist” has gone a touch too far!

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2011/05/17/7_of_the_most_ridiculous_cries_of_racism_ever_made/page/full
Here’s some more, and the worst part is: I’m not making this up! Ashton Kutcher is not here, you’re not being Punk’d. At best Blacks are punking society. At worst, they like swinging that “Racist” bludgeon around and watching whites duck out of the way!

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on Sat Oct 3rd 2015 at 05:00:00 Michael Jon Barker

@ EPGAH

I’m a business man with employee’s and every time I have hired a white person they have cost me money because they believe they are entitled. They are more likely to pull a workers comp claim over an imaginary back problem or file complaints with the labor board that I didn’t give them long enough lunch breaks or that I didn’t pay them over time.

I couldn’t care less what a persons name is, nor do I attempt to psychoanalyze why their parents named them. No employer does that. Your making this stuff up.

Maybe you should buy a bus ticket, leave your trailer park, go to a big city where the rich people live, and see for yourself that wealth isn’t solely in the hands of white people.

Your screed is why you’ll never have nice things.

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on Sat Oct 3rd 2015 at 09:40:08 jefe

parents who give their children traditional names are more likely to raise them in a traditional environment

traditional for whom? whose tradition?

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on Sat Oct 3rd 2015 at 12:23:35 EPGAH

@jefe
America’s tradition, of course.
If you want to highlight that you are not assimilated, and you’re not GOING to assimilate, that’s great, but there are consequences for that.

What are the consequences for going to a Moslem Cult country and trying to build a church?
What were the consequences for being openly Communist in 1960s America?
What were the conseqeunces for Paula Deen saying “Nigger” FIFTY YEARS AGO?
What were the consequences of a GUEST of Don Imus pointing out that Black basketball players had bad hair and hadn’t used some overpriced product to fix it?

You are indeed free to be, say, or do whatever you want, but people mistake free speech for being CONSEQUENCE-free speech!

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on Sun Oct 4th 2015 at 20:33:04 taotesan

“Did you ever consider that businesses refusing to hire people with Black-sounding voices or Black-sounding NAMES might be doing it out of business self-preservation, not just some desire to shutout Blacks?

1.) (Over)generalization is not racism
Racism is a form of generalization, but generalization is not necessarily racism.
Our ability to categorize people, places, and things in a blink of an eye is in an adaptive trait honed over thousands of years. It has helped our species endure in a world of finite resources and large, deadly predators.

The same mental process that elicits fear at the sight of a lion or snake also makes us leary of telemarketers and used car salesmen.

2.) Employers want robots

By and large, employers seek out boring, conformist, non-creative employees that are unlikely to talk back or argue.

Generalization helps employers weed out candidates that stray from this ideal.

3.) People with unique names are more likely to be different

Reason and human experience informs us that parents who give their children unusual names like “Kashmere”, “Rocket”, or “Zabrina” do so in the hopes their children are unique or exceptional in some way (at least, more so than others)– and raise them accordingly.

We can also assume the opposite: that parents who give their children traditional names are more likely to raise them in a traditional environment.

4.) Prospective employers logically dismiss candidates with black-sounding names

“Lakisha” and “Jamal” are more likely to be different (Strike 1!).
But while names like “Braxlee” and “Ryker” merely imply artsy absent-mindedness and irresponsibility, “Lakisha” and “Jamal” have the added disadvantage of portending Awkward Moments (Strike 2) and Potential *Lawsuits* (strike 3).

For example, the name “Lakisha” suggests the parents were steeped in Civil Rights Movement era mythos and the type of militant racial victimhood popular on college campi. This exponentially increases the odds that Lakisha could one day come to work:

·Wearing an Erykah Badu-style headwrap
·Wearing dreadlocks
·Wearing cornrows
·Accusing her employer of treating her like a “slave”
·Claiming criticism of Obama creates a Hostile Work Environment
·Threatening a lawsuit after hearing a racially insensitive joke

The odds that “Joy”, “Bob”, or “Cliff Huxtable” would engage in such behavior is virtually nonexistent.

From an efficiency and legal standpoint, it makes sense for employers to favor those names over “Lakisha” or “Jamal”.

Discriminatory? Yes. Racist? Hardly.”

Lifted entirely verbatim from

(www.mofopolitics.com/…/actually-it-makes-sense-to-discriminate-against)

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on Sun Oct 4th 2015 at 20:41:16 EPGAH

Not verbatim, I fixed minor grammatical, spelling, and punctuation errors, but noone has bothered to refute the points, possibly because in this litigious society it’s over 100% correct.

There was a story in today’s paper about a thug who fought a security guard, then SUED THE STORE IT WAS ROBBING–and got $750,000 in “damages”!
It would’ve been cheaper just to let it rob the store!

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on Sun Oct 4th 2015 at 20:50:40 abagond

Note: “thug” and “savage” are now moderated words.

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on Sun Oct 4th 2015 at 21:01:46 EPGAH

How do I edit a previous post? As part of the judgment, they had to fire the guard!

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on Sun Oct 4th 2015 at 21:11:25 abagond

@ EPGAH

“How do I edit a previous post? As part of the judgment, they had to fire the guard!”

Repost with corrections. If I see two comments from the same person on the same thread that start out the same way, I delete the older of the two, assuming that the newer one is a corrected version.

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on Wed Sep 18th 2019 at 23:31:30 sondis

“Yes, blacks are racist too but they do not have the power in American society to do even half the things listed here.”

Abagond, i was always curious as to why you used the word, “Racist” when laying out an counter argument of black people as it relates to how black people feel, towards white people.

Righteous anger, cause and effect withstanding, black people can’t be, “Racist” in the true sense of the word. Prejudice, yes but not racist.

You even go far as to explain why, black people can’t apply the things listed to white people, because of the power dynamic that exists on the side of white people. So why use “Racist”, when the definition of word, can’t be applied to black people, which you point out in the same sentence?

I’ve always had a problem with that last part and i always wondered why you never used, “prejudice” instead.

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