The Tasmanian genocide (fl. 1826-1829) is where Whites from Britain wiped out nearly all the people of Tasmania, then called Van Diemen’s Land, now part of Australia. They sent the few hundred that remained to prison camps where they died of disease and despair. Truganini (pictured), the last full-blooded Tasmanian, died in 1876.
There were 6,000 Tasmanians. They had lived in Tasmania for 30,000 years. They were hunter-gatherers, each band with its own lands which it hunted and maintained with controlled burnings.
In 1803 Whites began to arrive.
On paper Tasmanians had the full and equal protection of British law. In practice, though, even when the government knew of “murders and abominable cruelties” committed by Whites against Tasmanians, it did nothing.
Despite killings, there was an uneasy peace of sorts. Whites lived along the coast. Most of the good hunting lands were still in Tasmanian hands.
Then in 1817 Whites discovered that Tasmanian lands were great for raising sheep. From 1819 to 1824 the British government took, without treaty or payment, huge amounts of Tasmanian land.
From about 1823 Tasmanians grew increasingly violent. In 1826 the British governor, George Arthur, declared them “open enemies” beyond the protection of the law. It was now open season on killing Tasmanians, what some call the War of Extermination.
Reasons Whites killed Tasmanians:
- to get revenge for past killings (1 White = 70 Tasmanians);
- to protect their sheep and the land they took;
- to take Tasmanian women and girls for forced labour and sex;
- for sport;
- just because.
As one newspaper put it, they were “shot like so many crows”.
By 1829, with only a few hundred Tasmanians left, the governor suffered a sudden a fit of conscience. He changed to a policy of “conciliation and protection” – meaning capture and imprisonment.
The government rounded up the remaining Tasmanians and sent them to prison camps, which featured:
- vermin,
- high-salt diets,
- poor water supply,
- separation of children from parents,
- re-education in Christian civilization,
- white respiratory diseases.
At one camp two-thirds were dead within the year. At another camp Whites urinated on them.
In 1830 the government set up the Aborigines Committee to look into why Tasmanians were so hostile. It mainly blamed Tasmanian treachery and savagery – not its own robbery of their land.
By the 1850s the genocide was already being written off as “natural” and “inevitable”, what the late 1800s would see as Darwinian fate. Good Christians did not like being called animals by Darwin – but were not above using his ideas when they acted like animals.
In the late 1800s when mixed-race Tasmanians, the children of those stolen Tasmanian women and girls, asked for their land back, the government sent them to Cape Barren Island, where they lived until 1951 beyond the reach of the law. From the 1920s to 1970s the government took their children from them to teach them White ways.
Since the 1990s there have been some land given back and apologies made.
The G-word: Most Australian historians do not regard it as genocide – that would require proof of “intent”.
– Abagond, 2013, 2015.
Source: “Forgotten Genocides” (2011), edited by Rene Lemarchand.
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Good post Abagond!
These types of history are all too easily forgotten, concealed and hidden away to be eventually denied as if they never happened. And people here think white American has a lot to answer for?
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so what do they teach in tasmanian schools about the aboriginal people? what is their account of what happened to them?
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Here is an interesting guardian article on the topic,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/oct/14/australia.features11
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Reblogged this on oogenhand and commented:
Interesting interaction between Christianity and Darwinism. Note again the unwillingness to consider children of sex slaves to be full members of the own group.
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to me, the guardian article reaffirms the idea that it should be termed a genocide, although the article denies it.
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Wow! This history lesson is eerily familiar. Thank you, Abagond for the continuing education.
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so not surprised because that’s what England did back then — they unleashed their criminal elements into North America, then were forced to look elsewhere, and unleashed their criminals in Australia and Tasmania.
Those white invaders were already without morals. I always say “what affects one, affects all” because this notion of dark-skin people being inferior is global.
Different countries, different cultures, different racial/ethnic mixtures — the one thing we all have in common is that a European power has come in and left their destructive mark;
and even up until today, we are all still dealing with their fingers being in the pie and embracing their racist ideology as part of our societies and self-images.
and now that the shoe is on the other foot on the Continent (Europe), they want to scream about immigrants and multi-culturism destroying their own European countries — well, all I have to say is “Payback sure is a b’tch!” — now you know how it feels.
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I cannot even fathom how a group of people just invades someone else’s land, and believe that they have a God-given authority to destroy (physically, emotionally, psychologically, culturally) other races/ethnicities/nations and take that land, simply because the natives are different. Jeez…superiority complex on overload!!!!
I find it funny how the Europeans invaded non-white nations in the name of “civilising” them with Christian morals. Yet, they still vehemently believed that non-whites races were inherently savage, unintelligent, ugly etc. The more I try to make sense of European racist attitudes towards non-whites, the more it doesn’t make any sense. I just don’t understand how one group of people were/are so obsessed with their own notion of superiority that they want to dominate other groups of people by ANY MEANS!
@Linda
The last paragraph, I co-sign that. However, there will be Whites who will say “Well, I didn’t enslave anybody”, or “Well, the British/ French (or whatever other European) Empire wasn’t that bad as we taught them a language, science, built hospitals…” I have read many of these types of comments.
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Linda writes:
“[…] and now that the shoe is on the other foot on the Continent (Europe), they want to scream about immigrants and multi-culturism destroying their own European countries — well, all I have to say is “Payback sure is a b’tch!” — now you know how it feels.”
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^5!!!
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I always found Tasmanians to be very interesting. Whenever i look at pictures of them, i see Africans in them. Dark skinned people have always been a target of the white man.
The white man’s day of reckoning is coming to pass, look at what’s happening in the world. Food supply can’t sustain the worlds population, being 1 billion people go to bed, hungry each day.
The weather on the earth is getting more violet, than it ever has in human history.
War is rapid, morality is at its lowest in history, the world economy is unstable.
Europeans are at the helm of everything that is going wrong with the world, yet they always point the finger at Dark and brown people all over the world as a scape goat for the problems, they have caused.
The sad part is, we as dark and brown people will perish, along with them.
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lifelearner writes:
“Thank you, Abagond for the continuing education.”
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Yes, thank you, Abagond!
The transmission of knowledge on a variety of topics is one of the reasons I appreciate the existence of this blog.
I myself have read a multitude of books and periodicals on a wide range topics, and have, without a doubt, forgotten far more stuff than the stuff I can still recall. I do sometimes try to share what knowledge I’ve picked up, and I appreciate others here who do the same.
I truly regret that the internet and its current ease of access to information was not around when I was a child — and was much more open to learning new concepts than I am now.
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@ Sondis
Lets remember that dark and brown people on this planet are at least 3/5 of the majority peoples on this planet.
We will only share their fate if we allow ourselves to blindly follow behind them copying, without question, their non-spiritual beliefs and practices which have led to many of the unstable events you mention.
We too, like them, have a choice and say in our own existence…we are in control of our own destinies too!
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Kwamla:
I agree with what you’re saying but when the power is exclusively in white hands, how could we as dark and brown people, forge our own destiny?
Whites don’t want to give up or even share the power with black and brown people.
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Typical of white people and especially the English/British, history is littered with the atrocious things that English/British people have done throughout the world in their clammer to build their empire, to think they are proud of their history.
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You really have to be sick as hell to do something like this and defend it.
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Sondis,
Power is not exclusively in white hands, that way of thinking is a trap, and ignore the very real non-white power in the world (and reinforces the very worst forms of European racist thinking. If you get a chance (and are fortunate enough to do so) spend some time in India or China. Both are world powers that suffered differing European colonial experiences, and both are world powers who no one can honestly say are beholden to European or American power. Or spend some time in London,, even in the heart of European finance non-white people are successfully taking power, you’ll find the equivalent of American ghettos filled with the disposed Anglo-Saxon working class, and wealthy suburbs were you are hard pressed to find Englishmen.
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I would also argue that African countries like Nigeria, Ghana, and Ethiopia are also fairly independent and powerful today, even if they have ruling classes and ethnic groups which are complicit in allowing multi-nationals to do horrible things to some of their people, and have fallen into a world bank/imf discursive hegemony in relationship to understandings of development.
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white people land and wipe out everyone -what else is knew?
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What a shame, an entire race of humans, extinguished by the white man. -_-
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Bulanik, thanks for the acknowledgement. You’re a very thoughtful person! 😀
Regarding Truganini, I myself only became aware yesterday (after pulling up the Wikipedia article) that she wasn’t the last full-blooded Tasmanian.
They manner in which I first learned of Truganini / the genocide of the Tasmanians was from reading through an encyclopedia as a child (unfortunately, this was also the method — replete with photos of emaciated corpses etc — for how I first learned of the systematic murders of millions of people in Nazi Germany… something which I found to be so heinous that it was almost impossible for me to believe that people could do that to other people).
On the topic of the Tasmanian genocide, however, there was only the one portrait photo of Truganini (with its caption declaring her “the last…”) and a brief written entry on her life and death. No mention was made (though, I must say, I’m not at all surprised) of the few surviving Tasmanians; nor were there any details given as to the actual genocide itself….
(Thank you, Bulanik, for providing the video for “Fanny Cochran-Smith, Last of Her Race”, it is appreciated.)
Oh, and, good call, and I totally agree that Truganini’s skeleton was exhumed most probably for keepsake purposes — i.e., to remind the white settlers that they’d finally freed ‘their land’ of those pesky darkies who had been living there for upwards of 30,000 years ….
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From just doing a quick Google search I found a blog of a person who grew up in Australia and who seems to claim that there are, to this day, surviving aboriginal Tasmanians.
http://anzlitlovers.com/2012/05/13/tasmanian-aborigines-a-history-since-1803-by-lyndall-ryan/
I don’t have the time right now, but it might be worth checking out for those who are interested. There might be some validity to it or maybe not…those present day ‘aboriginals’ could actually be all mixed race rather than full bloods, regardless of appearance.
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There are no full blooded Tasmanians, but there are mixed bloods–
which the government of Australia refuses to acknowledge, because
then it would have to pay reparations.
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This is sad, another example of White imperialism negatively affecting the Natives of another land and destroying and killing the land and it’s people.
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Just viewed the video, and I have to say — though I admit I could be wrong — that Fanny Cochrane-Smith might have been the last fluent speaker of the Tasmanian language, but she was not the last full blooded Tasmanian.
I myself had been so frequently mistaken for being some race/ethnicity other than Black, as a youngster, that I began on my own a study of physical anthropology and human variation when I was in my early teens. This was my an attempt at understanding why strangers would mistake me, a little Black child, for Hawaiian, Latina et cetera.
So, I have to say that my educated guess, based on the photos I’ve seen of full-blooded Tasmanians, and on the video I just viewed of Fanny Cochrane-Smith herself, is that she was mostly definitely of partial European descent, and therefore definitely was NOT “the last of her race”.
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Good post, one of those forgotten and ignored genocides. Really terrible stuff.
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Abaggond:
No one here talk about the Armenian genocide (commited by Turks), the Rape on Nankig (Japanese and few Chinese) Pol Pot and his guerrila group Red Khmer (They took control of Cambodia, slaughtering who opposed and let people die by famine) The african inter-tribal and/or civil wars: Darfour, Congo, Zimbabwe ( Think only whites are be killed? black Oppositers dies or are tortured as well), South african white genocide, Aztec & Mayan sacrifices and enslavement of minor tribes and their own. Mongols assolated Eastern Europe and China.
Whites done what many other people will do if in white’s man place!!!
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@ Abbas
I have done posts or hosted guest posts on genocides in Armenia, Darfur, South Sudan, Namibia, Srebrenica and Hispaniola. And now Tasmania. See the links at the end of the post.
I also did one on the scale of different atrocities, the Mongols and Aztecs among them:
I also did a post on this argument that keeps being brought up out of the blue about how whites are not uniquely evil:
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^ You also talked about the Rape of Nanking.
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This genocidal past does not prevent Australia from meddling today in countries like Iraq.
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@ Bulanik:
Let us be precise: The post you and Fiamma suggested was Truganini, not the Tasmanian genocide. The Tasmanian genocide itself was implicitly suggested upthread BY ME in the post itself on A Guide to Germanics. It was why Truganini came up in the first place. It is something I have wanted to post on for a long time. I have several books on Tasmania, so it is not like this just came to me the other day when I read your comments.
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[…] The Tasmanian genocide (early 1800s) is where white British settlers wiped out nearly all the native people of Tasmania (then called Van Diemen's Land) and then sent the few hundred still alive to … […]
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Could this genocide be the root of the term “Tasmanian Devil” in popular culture?
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@Bulanik,
I hear you.
If you recall last year we were asked to do a guest post about how to talk about racism to your kids, esp. how it might affect multiracial people, even after I think all of the points were actually brought out in detail in the comments. Even a couple people thought that you and I were ganging up on him (but I don’t see how).
Prior to that request I had seen portions of my comments lifted out almost directly and used to form Abagond’s posts. Also, I had already sent in a few guest posts previously and received no feedback on them. I was so busy at the time, I didn’t really have time to draft a new guest post on the topics he was requesting. Besides, I had no idea how it might be used (based on my experience up to that point in time, I thought he might just lift the ideas, change them slightly and make his own post). At least if I make comments, they are *MY* comments.
In the meantime, he did post a couple of the posts that I had previously drafted (you even commented on them). I sent in another new draft after that that has not been posted. I drafted several others, but I have not had time to finish all the research and references to add to them. But it seems like every several months he switches gears again, so I don’t know where he is sometimes.
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cmon, Abagond always has created threads based on commentors discusions..how do you really think the “sub Sahara Africa” thread came on…I always used that phrase in my comments on music, then Bulanik made a statement saying it sounds racist to her, and I had no choice but to defend my usage of the term, and Abagond ran with it on a thread…because SSA is not a major on the table big deal argument on the international agenda of things that are wrong with Africa’s problems or things that are really racist and politicly incorrect…its a very small subject…Abagond ran with it based on discusion going down on his blog…he makes threads all the time based on what racists say on here, do we give them credit? He offered people the chance to do threads and was turned down
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Bulanik:
Unless a particular idea is an original work of a person, clamoring for acknowledgment seems petty, needlessly elevating ego over content.
I’m grateful for the existence of such a salon as this, and the permission granted by the blog owner to use it to engage in respectful debate.
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The debate about SSA had started long before that on one of the Open Threads, Bulanik and Abagond might have agreed at that thread in 2012, but I used the phrase more than anyone else on this blog talking about music and felt I had to defend my use when Bulanik said it was racist…the whole thing already went down….Im not saying Abagond directly made up his mind based on that, but,my gosh, it had already gone down as a full blown debate on other threads
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I gave Abagond information on Miles Davis, he added some words and put it his way, he mentioned my name , and , I thank Abagond for that, but, I really dont care if he did or didnt, I was just happy there was a thread on some jazz
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Actualy, I see now, that this comment was made before we debated it, as you see, we debated it after you said it there, and, here we took it up again:
and we continued debating it there
so, Im incorrect about not thinking Abagond and Bulanik talked about this first, but, the debate did go down well before the actual thread came up..on two other threads
and, I was the one using it more than anyone before on the blog , so, I feel I had to defend my position
I disagree that it was some huge issue that in a large general way was deemed offensive…and on the table as a big issue in international discusion about Africa…Ive seen it more as the black African Islamic position on the subject, very much elaborated by someone like African Holocaust on his blog
Its not like you can find a plethora of information about the activist position against it
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“It was not said to be a “huge” issue, several commenters were in discussion”…I mean that was always my point, its not a huge issue in the world of debate about Africa, I dont know what you mean by giving special attention
My other point about Abagond often using things he has seen white racists say to make threads out of and taking issues being discusses and making them threads is valid
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I would tend to agree with Bulanik on this point. Sometimes a simple basic acknowledgment to commentators who make and bring in valuable contributions to Abagond’s posts would be appreciative. Particularly when it can be seen to be done consistently.
Obviously, it is up to Abagond to decide how, when and if he does want to give such acknowledgments. However, small gestures like these can reap greater future benefits for all concerned by cultivating a heightened sense of respect for regular contributors. It also encourages mutual respect for the dedication to the time and effort involved on both sides.
It can be taken as a given that the contributions of African-Americans in a de-facto white supremacist society, like the USA for example, will often go unacknowledged or ignored regardless of how worthy or unworthy they may be deemed.
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Bulanik:
Recognition is a nice courtesy, but seems like a trifle in the big picture, particularly against the backdrop of the large amount of effort that is undoubtedly required to consistently create content and manage this blog.
I don’t seek recognition for myself, but rather for ideas. Ideas are timeless, whereas we’re all just so many hovering, mostly-anonymous fireflies.
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@ All
1. The term “sub-Saharan Africa” has made my skin crawl since at least the 1990s if not before. Pretty much since the first time I heard it. How could it not? In terms of commenters, the one whose use was most like fingernails on a chalkboard was Doug1’s, over a year ago.
2. I often start writing a comment and it turns into a post. If it is directed against a racist commenter who thinks he is all that, I do NOT point out why I am writing it. He can “do the math”. B.R.’s use of “sub-Saharan Africa” is NOT such a case.
3. Apart from #2, I do try to give credit, though I often forget who said what or where I read something, especially if it was more than a few days ago.
4. Anyone who feels I did not give proper credit or feels I lifted a post from somewhere, PLEASE point it out, preferably in the post’s thread. I have neither the desire nor motive to take false credit for anything. Doing so in the Age of Google just makes me look like an asshole, if nothing else.
5. That said, SOMETIMES people DO feel I got my ideas from them and it just simply is not so. I read books. I talk to people offline. Certain ideas and topics keep coming up, both online and off, on this blog and elsewhere. Sooner or later I am going to write about them, probably right after they were brought up yet again.
6. THAT said, I can do better in giving credit where it is due. If I failed to give anyone credit it was not personal. I hope I am not that petty.
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@ Bulanik
I have the Lyndall Ryan book on Tasmanians, James Bonwick’s “The Daily Life and Origin of the Tasmanians” (1870) and the Rough Guide to Tasmania. I also have Rene Lemarchand’s book of genocides which has a chapter on the Tasmanians, the main source for this post.
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@ Bulanik
Bonwick: The white ethnographic gaze in full effect, but some of the information is probably hard to beat – he was in Tasmania from 1841 and talked to Tasmanians, white settlers, looked at the records, etc. He does not seem to be a hardcore racist – most of the white commenters here are far worse. I do not regret getting it. He wrote another book, not sure if it is in print, “The Last of the Tasmanians”, about the genocide itself.
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It seems like the early British were animalistic. Killing, raping, stealing. I never knew about the Tasmanian people. I am not surprised that it was these white British devils that perpetrated this evil on these poor people and wiped them out. This was very enlightening indeed. Thanks for this thread Abagond. I will do more reading on this subject. So sad and tragic.
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I just don’t understand why white people hate us so much? They took away everything from us more especially our dignity and pride and they still continue to do so,they raped our women and children even killed and forced us to learn their way of living all in the name of christianity.
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I comment little and read plenty. In this particular instance, I feel myself obliged to comment. Let me proceed to take apart the imbecility rife within this post and its adjoining comments.
Firstly, cry me a river. Sorry to sound so utterly insensitive but 6,000 people wiped out and everyone is crying ‘genocide’? That equates to 0.1% of 6 million. Bear that in mind.
As a British white man who has just had to read through so many posts soaked in hatred for my ‘race’ – I dislike that term and use it only loosely -, I have to say, if whites were to have a unversal guilty conciense it would be for the systematic (might I say industrial) slaughter of 6 million Jewish people a few generations ago on our very own continent, not for that of the Tasmanians.
Those Jews, of a different religion they may have been, were white European people who had contributed massively to our culture (therebyt discounting the idea that whites are driven by a constant hatred of blacks, as many alluded to above me). During that particular epsiode, my ‘race’, thankfully, were on the right side of history. We fought back against the nazis and have done our best to recognise the Jewish cause since.
As for the Tasmanian incident, do you think you can really hold me responsible for what a band of wandering vagrants committed in far off lands because there was nothing much left for them back in England? A lot of the massacres, such as the one over a beached whale (which the author, as learned as she presumes herself to be, must know about) were committed impulsively by a wandering bunch of thugs who had fleed a festering industrialising motherland that was churning out an underfed underclass.
Many of those migrants actually ended up in America and toiled to build what is now commonly agreed to be the greatest superpower the world has ever witnessed. I am no fan of America but I am sure there are many imbeciles in the diatribe of comments listed above my own masterfully written one who lust over Hollywood stars, savour hamburgers and masturbate to LA-issued porn? No? Perhaps, then, you live within its walls and enjoy the security provided by its imperial dominance – which again I do not necessarily endorse but cannot refute the advantages of -, perhaps you were born in a white world, realised you were not white at a young age, felt that you were somehow impeded by it and now nurse an ever growing grudge over it? Perhaps, then, you may have forgotten of the vast number of people from outside the empire’s boundaries who would love to be in your place, indeed many lose their lives trying to migrate to these secure lands. If you dislike what the white man has built with such aplomb, perhaps you would choose to stop using his technology, speak his tongue and lust over his women (or men)? I am not urging you to, I care not for it, I am just asking that you all see the utter idiocy in your argumentation: Only those who have grown up with Western comfort criticise with such vivacity the White man because it is only when one is outside the West’s boundaries that it becomes clear the privileges that are afforded to those who live within it.
But I digress. Back to the issue at hand.
Secondly, and I hate to say this, but many othe races have committed similar acts but of far greater brutality. There are many to mention but I would just like to point to the fact that the Chinese went through a particularly painful transition not so long ago where 30 million people are said to have lost their lives through famine, disease and government orchestrated brutality, mostly instigated by 毛泽东 and his henchmen. But even then, I do not condemn it, because I do not see history in such simplistic shades as those who have commented above me. China went through a painful period of modernisation and when a country with such a large population undergoes such a transition, 30 million is the price they pay. Yes that is crude, but trust me, the European race endured similar hardships when it left its dark age half a millenia ago (the Black Death being one them).
Oh and by the way, 6,000 represents 0.02% of 30 million.
Thirdly, and finally, I have just alluded to Europe’s dark age and this brings about a very interesting parallel. Us Europeans have many idioms that have survived across the centuries. One of them is ‘Rome wasn’t built in a day’ another is ‘all roads lead to Rome’.
Why do we have these idioms? Well, to put it simply, around 2,000 years ago there was a dominant hegemonic empire that traipsed across Europe slaughtering barbarians and imposing their ‘civilisation’ (sound familiar?). Julius Caesar is even said to have committed the world’s first ever genocide against the Gauls. The Romans even got as far as the North of England (Hadrian’s wall to be precise).
When the Romans came they built roads and infrastructure, set up trading posts and established cities (anyone heard of London?). But then all of a sudden, they vanished. Just like that (410 AD is the official date, with regards to Britain). And from then on Europe entered its Dark Age. And, trust me, it was called dark for a reason. Britain festered in mediocrity for the best part of a millenia. We embraced paganism, burned witches and proceeded to reverse most of the technological advancements brought to us by the Romans.
But what is most interesting is that, in the ensuing millenia, no one went around saying ‘God I hated those Romans’, ‘Why did these olive-skinned people come to slaughter us on our lands’ etc, instead we are left with the aformentioned idioms (and many other things) that highlight how in fact, although they were brutal and tyrannical, the Romans brought us many things that we did not previously have. They brought new ideas, improved living conditions and better infrastructure. They brought civilisation.
Sometimes civilisations clash and the weaker one loses. That is just the way it is.
2,000 years ago, my civilisation was on the receiving end. 1,500 years later, my civilisation became the perpetrator.
And now? With the rise of China (the world’s oldest civilisation), the phase of ‘white’ domination is fading. Do I regret it? No, because I am just one man, my life will be short and of little consequence to historical events. But what I can do is observe these processes. And in observing these processes, I recognise there is no inherit evil in any of the world’s races, just opportunism. And opportunism defines all of us, white, yellow or black.
Who knows one day the Chinese will be flying drones over London and we will all be saying ‘All roads lead to Beijing’?
But regardless, enough of the imbecility. It is in ignorance that hatred festers. And it is through intelligence that compassion is nurtured.
I hope that by reading my post, the imbeciles that abound in this dark corner of the internet will have experienced a sharp increase in their otherwise depressingly low IQ level.
But I take no credit, I am of a dying race and will go quietly away into the night.
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Robert Walpole
Unfortunately your post did what most would call deflection. It centered on pulling attention away from the post itself and diverted it elsewhere. Because people chose to stay on topic doesn’t mean they have a low iq. It just shoe the ability to focus. So does that mean that I can say you have low iq seeing as you read the post and then went off on a tangent elsewhere?
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I hope that by reading my post, the imbeciles that abound in this dark corner of the internet will have experienced a sharp increase in their otherwise depressingly low IQ level.
I don’t know about any of the imbeciles here, but my IQ went from being imbecilic to moronic after perusing your post! Thanks for the IQ boost buddy!
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Oh man… there are so many blatantly incorrect statements in Robert Walpole’s little opus that its tiring just to think about correcting them all.
The uncredited Dylan Thomas quote at the end seems a bit awkward and melodramatic, don’t you think?
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per Walpole:
“As for the Tasmanian incident, do you think you can really hold me responsible for what a band of wandering vagrants committed in far off lands because there was nothing much left for them back in England? ”
that is the crux of the matter, and this is some sideways arguing, in that this post seems to imply the British settlers were there under the colors of the union jack so to speak. I’m not that familiar with this one at all, but seems to me, if there was a governor there…
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@ Robert Walpole
It does not seem I experienced a sharp increase in my otherwise depressingly low IQ level. Because what you wrote seems contradictory: the British were on the right side of history with the Jewish genocide, in which 6 million died, but in the Tasmanian genocide or any genocide with fewer than 30 million deaths, there is no right side.
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@ Robert Walpole
So since I write in English on the Internet using the Roman alphabet, I am not allowed to say anything bad about white people?
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Dearest Abagond, as the originator of that post you happen to be the one that grieved me most.
You may have a grudge against my race for I know not what reason, but so be it. I have found that racism is rife wherever I go and there is little I can do to change it. On the whole, I have found that Greeks dislike Albanians and Turks. Chinese dislike the Japanese (and are vociferously racist towards black people, might I add). Israelis dislike Muslims. Muslims dislike Jews etc.
So I do not begrudge anyone for disliking my ‘race’, but I find it particularly irritating when imbecility is allowed to flourish without someone at least stopping by to rinse it away with a modicum of articulated speech.
Anyway, I have opened the flood gates, let the pitch battle begin.
As to my previous post, it was particularly long and laced with sarcasm (not melodrama, dearest ‘King’). I hate to say it but it is a British trait, some say we developed this sarcasm-laced tone as a way of psychologically coping with the loss of our Empire and our imminent decline, but none can be too sure. To the melodramatists, I mean no offence (as a Brit I often find myself indulging in novels infused with Shakespearian tragedy).
Dear Sharina, thank you for replying constructively to my post. I perhaps was overly wordy but my argument was a rather long one and needed concretisation. I was not simply replying to the post by Abagond but also to the many comments that followed (which I felt contained a lot of animosity towards people of my kind).
My argumentation can be briefly summarised as such:
1. 6,000 is a very small amount. I then used other examples to highlight what a small number that is.
2. Many other races have committed far more brutal acts of greater number, but I do not seek to condemn or justify it as I understand that one must not cast back over history with a judgmental eye (I used the example China).
3. Thirdly, I used the example of Roman domination over Britain to highlight how domination over another nation is a cyclical phenomenon caused by the interaction of a more technologically advanced nation with a less technologically advanced one. My ethnicity can quite accurately be traced back to Celt. We fought battles with the Romans when they tried to invade the north of Britain. I am not now looking to label the Italians – Rome was based in Italy, for the idiots that are still reading – as orchestrators of massacres against my people, nor am I looking for reparations.
I then pointed out rather morbidly how the Romans left a very strong legacy in Britain that was actually quite beneficial to us.
Finally, Abagond let me reply to your imbeci- sorry I need to stop using that word -, let me reply to to the point you made. The fact that we were on the right side of history was actually by chance, we might have been on the wrong side – we had many fascist elements – were it not for the course of events.
Again it is all opportunism. Clearly, with the killing of 6,000 people, those responsible for it (you may label them British if you want) were on the wrong side of history. I am by no means saying it was the right thing to do.
I am just pointing out – and this is where everyone’s idiocy was painfully highlighted – that this is what nations do. On the international arena, there is no morality, just opportunism. That is why, when the opportunity came, the Japanese tried to wipe out what was at the time the capital of China, the Hutus tried to wipe out the Tutsis, the nazis tried to wipe out the Jews, the Turks tried to wipe out the Armenians (although I understand that is still up for debate – I would not wish to offend any Turks) and that Caesar tried to wipe out the Gauls (do not quote me on that, that is also up to debate).
The reason for including the Jewish genocide was for highlighting the scale of it and the fact that genocides committed by whites are not driven by a hatred of black people, as someone in the comments seemed to suggest.
So all this moralising will advance everyone very little. It is only through strength that a nation can establish itself and then create an environment within which law and order must be respected. For those who feel that it is important to constantly frame the white man as being the personification of evil (that would be rather cool if it were the case but unfortunately I find myself tearing up rather too often to girly films to be able to maintain the pretence) in order to somehow reduce his achievements, may I make the follow point:
Brazil, China, Japan, India and many other nations are rising. The most powerful man in the world is a man of half Kenya descent. The white man’s advantage was only obtained by chance, not by any genetic superiority (all that stuff is rubbish). The white man is fading, his age has come and gone. Grab the opportunity and move forward rather than dwell on horrid events of the past that cannot be pinned precisely on any current living being.
And who knows maybe one day when Nigerians are zooming around in flying cars, there will be a footnote somewhere in the annals of history mentioning the modest achievements of a ghostly pale race with freckled skin that dwelled on the fringes of the Asian continent.
(For the idiots that are STILL reading, many argue that Europe can hardly be viewed as a continent in the geographic sense because it lies on the outskirts of the Asian one).
That is all, dearest imbeciles, please reference my contribution to your intellect in any future IQ tests that you plan to take.
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@ Robert Walpole
“…comment little and read plenty…”
After reading your perverse, narrow, ethnocentric and constricted version of history contribution.
In your own words – this is probably the best advice anyone on this blog could give to you in future!
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@ Robert Walpole
You have made your peace with genocide, I have not. That might be because I am part of a racial minority in a country with a genocidal past while you belong to one that has benefited greatly from genocide. Be that as it may, your kind of thinking makes future genocides more likely, so I am going to oppose it:
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My sincerest, deepest, unabiding apologies, I finally decided to read further into this charming blog and found the following written by the dear Abagond who I assume is a lot of fun to be around:
“White American levels of racism cannot be accounted for by the us-and-them tribalism that seems to be a part of human nature. Their racism goes way beyond that. Like carrying out military style raids on black homes that have children’s toys out front. (RIP Aiyana.)
Nor can it even be accounted for by mere power since, like their cousins the Nazis, they exercise that power in sick and twisted ways not commonly seen in others.
There is something else at work. My best guess is that it is a psychological disorder caused by the way they bring up their children. What White Americans would quickly call a pathology if it were found in black people. Whatever it is, it makes them unaccepting of people who are different and gives them a need to look down on and dehumanize others in order to feel good about themselves.
There is something else at work. My best guess is that it is a psychological disorder caused by the way they bring up their children. What White Americans would quickly call a pathology if it were found in black people. Whatever it is, it makes them unaccepting of people who are different and gives them a need to look down on and dehumanize others in order to feel good about themselves.”
So my race is afflicted with a psychological disorder? Lovely stuff, I am no longer dealing with imbecility here but fanaticism. I will withdraw.
But please bear in mind, we are no different from you. We are all capable of evil as we are of love. Race relations are never good in any country you look but I understand that they are particularly bad in America.
Recently, our Prime Minister was mocked for going to China and prostrating himself before them in order to obtain trade deals. A few centuries ago, we arrived there with battleships intent on taking them over.
My point is, for any of those sick of white domination, look to the Chinese example, they are breaking free of the shackles of Western imperialism. There are lessons to be learned. The Chinese have co-opted our ways and improved on them. Much like the Japanese did a century ago when they rapidly westernised and became the first non-whites to defeat a white army in 1904.
Sorry to hear that there is such hatred against us, but hopefully you can see that there is a path ahead that does not involve White people.
It might take a lot of hard work – the Chinese are commonly known for being the hardest workest students in any university – but it is possible.
Yours Truly,
Robert Walpole,
The First British Prime Minister
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“Robert Walpole,
Sorry to hear that there is such hatred against us, but hopefully you can see that there is a path ahead that does not involve White people.”
Linda says,
Robert Walpole, you are full of sh’t…. this post is about history– a factual piece of history.
but yet, you come in here like a typical white American “twat” singing your sad little song about how you are “offended” because this story has nothing to do with you personally… well no one knows you nor cares if you’re feelings are hurt
did Abagond write anything on this post saying that modern day white British people need to ATONE for this genocide?
then you further LIE and try to say that “it was a band of thugs who did the killings in Tasmania and Australia”
get out of here with that… the British government transported ALL those white criminals and lower class white people there– these white settlers were sanctioned and sponsored by the British government… I guess you didn’t do A-levels in history.
why don’t You can take your own bloody advice — if this blog offends you, then you go else where.
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Robert Walpole
I am sorry but I do not understand why people feel their “title” makes them more credible. You are still deflecting and you have the credibility of the average joe.
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Robert Walpole
As per your comment to me. I am quite aware that your comment was in response to other commenters as well as abagond and considering my first response I am confused on why you did not catch that. Secondly I think it would have been more constructive to respond directly to those that you are challenging.
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Dearest Abagond, as the originator of that post you happen to be the one that grieved me most.
Cry him a river!
So I do not begrudge anyone for disliking my ‘race’, but I find it particularly irritating when imbecility is allowed to flourish without someone at least stopping by to rinse it away with a modicum of articulated speech.
That’s mighty white of you! Being imbeciles, why bother unless you are one too? After all, like is attracted to like it would seem. You must be one dumb fcuk going by your precepts. Perhaps you should be debating the clowns at stormfront or chimp.com, besides, they will provide you with much more entertainment. If you want the definition of dumb, go to those forums.
To the melodramatists, I mean no offence (as a Brit I often find myself indulging in novels infused with Shakespearian tragedy)
Lighten up! Confine your reading to the National Inquirer, or some of those trash newspaper over their in good old Blighty like the Daily Mail.
(For the idiots that are STILL reading, many argue that Europe can hardly be viewed as a continent in the geographic sense because it lies on the outskirts of the Asian one).
Who cares? I for one, being stupid, skipped to the last paragraph. Who needs sleeping pills otherwise, reading your nonsense?
That is all, dearest imbeciles, please reference my contribution to your intellect in any future IQ tests that you plan to take.
Thank you sweetheart! I don’t plan on taking any IQ test in the future as I am too stupid to understand the directions getting to the testing site. Seriously, why are you here?
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Robert Walpole,
The First British Prime Minister
I thought Billy bob Thornton was your first PM?
Herneith
1st Dynasty
Possible wife and queen-consort of Djer
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“I hate to say it but it is a British trait, some say we developed this sarcasm-laced tone as a way of psychologically coping with the loss of our Empire and our imminent decline, but none can be too sure.”
Ugh, it took a long time (and a lot of therapy) to separate this method of addressing the world which i grew up with at home from i guess you could say reality…
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@ Robert Walpole
You might be surprised to learn I too am British. Even though in this countries eyes (or yours) I probably wouldn’t fit the quintessential look or description associated with this culture!
There does seem to be an excessive lack of morality within your comments a reflection, perhaps, of the contempt that is generally held for Black, Asian and other peoples of colour within this UK racist, sexist and classicist society.
Its this excessive lack of morality which was exported to the rest of the world through the exploits of the British Empire which dirtied its hands, directly and indirectly, in genocide after genocide. Tasmania being simply one striking (but not the only) example.
Your sense of lacking in any true morality shows by your attempts to trivialize and explain such small numbers (6000) of deaths away by relativism. By attempting to show how other cultures and peoples at different times have presided over much greater killings and genocides in your selective, warped historical essays.
This is typical of your culture and class to exude moral relativism as the reason and excuse to explain away all types of genocide and atrocities against non-white (in your eyes uncivilized) peoples.
Its your arrogant, boastful like and ignorant comments displayed here. So sick, dehumanizing and bereft of any sense of moral decency – Much like the British Royal Family if only you, and others like you, knew and understood what they are really like. Believe me you would not appear so smug!
You are obviously here for a reason. I suggest you make the most of it by re-informing and re-educating yourself. You really do have a lot to re-learn.
But first try being a decent human being and giving up the moral relativism…
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The Beothuk of Newfoundland suffered an equal fate as the indigenous Tasmanian, primarily, at the hands of the British as well.
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@ Robert Walpole
To pick up on what Linda said, where in this post do I show hatred for white people?
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@ Robert Walpole
What you are doing is called genocide denial:
These techniques in particular apply to you:
5. Make it about the accusers – question their motives. Overlooking the fact that they are telling the truth.
6. Blame history – say this kind of stuff goes on all the time. Overlooking the fact that genocide is rare, despite what racists like to believe.
8. Blame out-of-control forces – after all genocides are often started by paramilitary forces that seem to be acting on their own. Overlooking the fact that many of these same forces are secretly supported by the government. If the government is not seriously fighting the force in question, it is receiving its blessing.
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Okay I have to respond because Kwamla has made some good points. No sarcasm there.
If you are British, you are British. Skin colour really matters little (to me). Obviously being white, I understand that it might seem like a shallow statement to make as I can not possibly imagine what is like to grow up non-white in a white society, I take that point.
I am also going to make that typical I-have-a-black-friend statement here but I grew up in London, so it is inevitable. I am married to a Chinese woman and my nephews and nices are half British, half Nigerian. I view them as British and nothing less. But I agree that Britain is still a very class based society, so I take that point too.
But when I say that 6,000 is a tiny number. I mean it. It is trivial in a world with a population of 7bn and with million strong genocides.
That might seem immoral but that is the point, it is.
It is meant to be.
My opinion is that morality does not exist on the international stage (although obviously nations are currently trying to rectify that, which is something I fully endorse). The only law that applies on the international stage is the law of the strongest.
If a nation is stronger than another, it takes it over. What I find particularly appealing about this argument – although it is morbid – is that it applies quite well to most contact between nations and that it completely exludes all possibility of inherent good or evil in any race.
I am not trying to cleanse white past, it is bloody and gory. But so is Black past. So is Asian past.
On the whole we see that the same universal law that existed in the school playground exists on the international scene, the big kid picks on the scrawny one.
We got picked on quite a bit as well (the Brits). We were invaded by the French and the Romans (although their invasion was never fully completed).
Naturally we should always strive for what is right and I think the future is looking brighter in terms of international cooperation, but regardless it is wrong to moralise the past.
If you do, then you realise that every nation at some point has blood on their hands. So what gives?
What I think is wrong is that Abagond is picking through white past to try to make out that our race is the epitome of all that is evil. That is the wrong approach to take (I havn’t read through his blog fully, so maybe he gives a balanced analysis, but it doesn’t feel like it).
Does he report on unit 731, for instance?
Anyone who tries to moralise the past is doomed not to understand it. Can you moralise the fact that women used to be married off in their early teens? That human sacrifices existed in South America (or in the bible for that matter) and that we burned witches in Britain? You can’t. It is wrong by our standards, but it wasn’t by theirs.
Morality is not a universal constant. It is like grading an exam paper, how can you accurately grade it when you keep changing the grading parameters? How can you accurately characterise the evilness of a race when you keep changing the parameters of morality?
Abagond, I maintain you are an idiot, so I will not respond to you. You are pedantically racist, judging by your previous posts, so I view discussing with you as largely pointless. You also seem to think that by giving a phenomenon a name that you have solved the issue away. You can name my argument whatever you want, it won’t change its core tenet.
Sharina, the fact you actually believed that my title was a real title does kind of suggest you need to do a bit more wikipedia reading. Sorry but I’m going to have to label you ‘idiot’ as well.
Herneith, I like your humour, although you should read at least some of what I have written. It is quite exquisite. (The last sentence is written in the second degree. I wouldn’t usually write that but since my audience appears to be largely American, I should remind them not to take everything at face value :)).
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Dear Linda,
Abagond has been quoted as saying that there is something psychologically wrong with the white race. Maybe I am off-topic but Abagond should be held accountable for what he has been quoted as saying.
As for the white bashing, please read through the comments. There was something in there about Brits being animalistic.
Whether the Tansmanian incident was sanctioned by the British government or not is largely unimportant (it probably was). Most of those ex-convicts were at least a year round trip away from the motherland and direct communications would have been limited (I presume), so yes I would assume that there was a large degree of freedom in their action.
But again, I do not deny it. The British were clearly responsible for the overal policy of extermination of native tribes. (I would, similarly to Abagond, class many of them as genocides), including the one of the entire North American continent.
I recognise all British acts of barbarism and I am by no means trying to whitewash them.
The point I am trying to make is that you are all applying morality to the past, and no good historian should do that.
Maybe it was not you Linda and it maybe it was not Abagond (who I maintain is an idiot) but I did feel like this blog was singling out the white race.
Whilst we have been particularly good at showing our propensity for bloodletting over the last 500 years, many others races have had their go at it.
Otherwise, I like the fact that you called me a twat and that my post aroused quite a response from within you, I assume you know the meaning of twat and there was therefore a substantial Freudian slip in there? Whilst you do have a charming name, I am unfotunately already taken.
And yes I do have substantial holes in my historical knowledge, so I apologise in advance for any inaccuracies, although I try to avoid them (to my great shame, I actually have a degree in history, so I should know better).
My overall point remains the same, you cannot superimporse the acts of the British Empire onto my person and thereby draw a picture of me (since I am white) as being a person who is pathologically ‘deranged’ (or whatever other term Abagond chooses to use).
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@Robert Walpole
“the fact you actually believed that my title was a real title does kind of suggest you need to do a bit more wikipedia reading. Sorry but I’m going to have to label you ‘idiot’ as well.”—Being called an idiot by an idiot. See the humor? I do.
You assumed I believe it was a real title (which truthfully i could careless if it was or not). My point was that you added a title as if it makes you more credible and frankly it does not. I could put the title :
Sharina (insert last name)
(insert professional sounding profession)
and at the end of the day it does not make what I say anymore truthful or credible than the next. So again you proceed to deflect and avoid your own failings and short coming by basically resorting to lack luster ad hominem attacks. At the end of the day all it shows is you are childish and that you have no real argument. Oh and as an added bonus lack the ability to control you emotions.
Good day. 🙂
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@ Robert Walpole
Right, avoid my questions by calling me names.
By your reasoning Hitler was not evil nor was the Holocaust. Further, anyone who thinks otherwise is, according to you, an idiot.
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Thank you, someone who finally notices my masterful writing ability.
As for having issues, whilst perusing this blog, I actually felt I was the only rational being around.
But I digress, I probably do have issues somewhere within my inner psyche (who doesn’t right?).
And it is true that I tend to be one of those individuals who browses a lot but never comments.
That might explain why when I did comment, quite the torrential downpour was let loose.
Abagond, you are an idiot. Unless you take back the statement you made in another post (that I referenced in a previous comment).
Btw, do you make money from this poorly written blog? If you do, I really should get on the bandwagon. Maybe I can call it: abagond-is-an-idiot.wordpress.com.
Sharina, I understand. You are no longer an idiot. (I like your name by the way).
Hitler is a good example. By our current standards he is clearly evil. By the standards of the German population at the time (who voted him in), he was quite the opposite.
I assume you also know that individuals of low intellect also tend to quickly resort to Hitler as a rallying cry when all hope is lost in their feeble argumentation? Surely, I am not the only one who is aware of Godwin’s law.
I am glad you have further made clear your idiocy. If we both work on this together, then letting the world know quite how stupid you are will be a much smoother process.
The study of history attempts to be as empirical as possible (which is never easy), and you are undermining that notion completely by casting back with a judgmental eye.
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Is that you Asplund?
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Robert Walpole
You do realize that I don’t care about your Opinion right? It just means that people in glass houses should reframe from throwing stones.
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“I assume you also know that individuals of low intellect also tend to quickly resort to Hitler as a rallying cry when all hope is lost in their feeble argumentation?”—-Then I assume you know that people of equally low (actually lower) intelligence( and a high failure to engage in and support their debates) try to set up criteria to what makes a person intelligent or not based on a false criteria for it? You are dancing around what he is saying. Not addressing.
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Herneith
More like xprae. He would write long paragraphs addressing nothing. Misquote and misread whatever you say and as a result of his comprehension failure he would call you the idiot. He was good at calling names but never good at debating. I guess name calling makes up for that.
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George Ryder
Doesn’t make it wrong (or racist) to give compliments. Though at times long paragraphs masks ones inability to truly debate or present an argument.
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@ Robert Walpole
Godwin’s Law hardly applies to a thread on genocide.
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Refrain, Sharina, Refrain. Reframe alludes either to the physical act of placing new boundaries on a centered object or the abstract idea of placing an argument within new confines.
You are trying very hard to sound intelligent, I can see that, but you appear to be failing quite magnificently.
Actually, you will find that most learned debate involves academic articles of a length quite superior to my own rather short (in relative terms) contributions. I have written my share of articles but they were dreadfully boring so I will not allude to them here.
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Herneith, you appear to be an idiot as well. You write
‘white folks weren’t and aren’t right, and they despise black people’
http://herneithmyblog.com/
And then you say how you identified with Ancient Egypt, how lovely of you. Are you not aware that Ancient Egypt was hegemonic and had a very rigid class structure with slaves at the bottom?
Do you guys really all believe in this nonsense?
Would you like the US to become like Ancient Egypt so that you could have your own personal slaves?
Does imbecility carry another name with which I can describe you all?
Class and colour based prejudice have been a feature of many societies (need I remind you that the Chinese and Japanese vehemently dislike people with a skin colour darker than their own, and that has existed long before whites ever arrived).
I myself received a lot of abuse growing up because of the slightly ginger complexion of my hair, I am not now writing a blog dedicated to the glorification of a slave based society over my current one.
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Robert Walpole
reframe …refrain…still does not set aside my point.
“You are trying very hard to sound intelligent, I can see that, but you appear to be failing quite magnificently.”—Actually I am not trying to do much of anything (please do not project your inadequacies on me), but you are free to put attention on anything if you think it might boost your level of intelligence (which so far it has not). Unless of course deflecting is now a sign of intelligence. 🙂
If my goal was to sound intelligent then I can assure I would not engage you at all. You can’t speak on an intelligent level to someone that lacks the ability to understand anything on a basic level.
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George Ryder, you make some good points and show skill in writing, which I respect.
It is true that whites have by far the largest share of genocidal behaviour. We colonised vast swathes and implemented the slave trade.
But again, that is hardly evidence of the inherent evil of the British.
Slavery, and a trade in slaves, has always existed (including in Ancient Egypt which that idiot Herneith seems to have conveniently glided over).
The etymology of the word ‘slave’ actually comes from the word ‘Slav’, that designates a race (a white one at that) that was routinely exploited by the Romans for slaves.
The only reason our own dominion ( of the British, that is) attained such heights is because it went hand in hand with the industrialisation of Europe. We happened to be technologically superior, but that was only by chance.
But to give you some examples, George:
At its height, Rome ruled over most of what was the known world. And behaved similarly with its vassal states (the Gauls, the Goths, the Visigoths, the Berbers, the Celts, the Angles etc.)
China behaved similarly with its vassal states over what was thought to be the known world for them. Those vassal states include Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand etc.
Another example, one of the largest empires established was that of Genghis Khan’s, who was particularly brutal. If he had the technology to conquer the Americas and orchestrate the slave trade, he would not have hesitated.
The Ottoman Empire ruled for 800 years over vast swathes and many minorities will attest to their brutality (the Armenians and the Kurds, in particular).
You could even say the Spanish, and their own domination over much of the Americas, should give some credit to the Muslim world. The Moors brought over their technological advancements to the European continent when they occupied the Iberian Peninsula.
Of course, many white centric scholars discount the influence of Islam over Europe, but a lot of our advancements during the renaissance were actually as a direct result of the golden age of Islam. They had many great mathematicians and astronomers. The Muslims of the Arab peninsula were also expert slave traders, which is why Indonesia and Malaysia now have such large Muslim populations.
Again, all the peoples I have mentioned, if given the technology, would have done what the British did (and indeed the French, Dutch, Russians etc. who industrialised only later tried to emulate us).
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“Does imbecility carry another name with which I can describe you all?”—Yep. Robert Walpole
And yes you are free to make long paragraphs calling me an idiot etc., but it won’t change the fact that it was your idiocy that not once but twice has lead you to misunderstand and deflect things I said.
Anyway I have allowed my iq to drop low enough in these discussions so I will move on to greener pastures. 🙂
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@George
“i beginning to believe the biggest threat to world peace is the western ego and way of thinking. if this is just the way it is, and might makes right, we’re all screwed.”—I have been believing in this since I was 16. The problem is that instead of people use the “everybody does it” or “they would do it to” logic as an attempt to excuse instead of a means to remedy and obvious problem.
The whites that use this are usually ones that don’t want to take the responsibility for wrongs and usually because it comes down to what they have to give up in order to remedy this. In short…greed. Also I think it is a matter of not feeling guilty about it. just a though.
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Excuse my typos George. Hope you are not the grammar Granny troll type. LOL
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The first thing any invading army does is to either kill the inhabitants, force them into slavery and prostitution, emprison them or sell them off.
When this happens on a large scale, it is often deemed a genocide. Did the Moors attempt genocide against indigenous Spaniards? I do not know. Some Spaniards may say they did, some may argue otherwise. Armenians would certainly claim the Turks tried to eradicate them, the Tutsis would say the same of the Hutus, the Tibetans might say the same of the Han.
You may have noticed that most large scale killings have only occured in the last few centuries. That is because the technology to orchestrate large scale killings before then was simply not available. It is not that easy to eradicate an entire ethnicity.
In most other cases, it was easier to just sell off the prisoners of war.
In the case of the Americas, those large scale killings were possible only because the natives had no immunity to smallpox, which greatly aided the Europeans.
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@ Sharina
“The whites that use this are usually ones that don’t want to take the responsibility for wrongs and usually because it comes down to what they have to give up in order to remedy this. In short…greed. Also I think it is a matter of not feeling guilty about it. just a though.”
What do I have to feel guilty for? Are you wishing the Brits had never existed?
Be very careful what you wish for as we have made our own contributions to humanity.
One of which was industrialisation. This effectively allowed humans to cease the use of the slave economy.
We now have a knowledge economy where most mundane tasks are operated by machines, not slaves. Is this not something to be grateful for?
If it wasn’t for machines, trust me, slavery would never have been abolished (some may argue slavery still exists, but I mean in a government-operated sense).
I do not take credit for it personally, I am no where near intelligent enough to orchestrate such a change. But in the same way that I cannot take credit for what previous Nobel Prize winners have achieved, I cannot be held accountable for the genocides orchestrated by the British.
So no, I do not feel guilty.
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I would act according to the moral code of the society I had hailed from. Your example would constitute murder, if I understand it correctly. The examples I gave consisted of warfare, which historically has not been viewed as illegal by the home country. American soldiers in Iraq are not charged with murder when they kill a member of a terrorist organisation.
Naturally, I would not want to commit murder (because I find the thought quite repelling). If I had the urge to kill someone, I presume I could join the army and do it in a legal way.
I stated this previously although I recognise I’ve written so much that it may have been lost somewhere within my text.
The only rule of law that exists is that within nations. Outside of it, as in between nations, humanity is lawless.
Naturally, humanity is now trying to fix this through supranational organisations but it has largely been the case that throughout history, larger nations have swallowed up smaller ones.
Within nations, the law must be respected. Point blank. Many young men feel inadapted to civilian life and war, historically, provided an outlet.
Historially, war has been one of the few forms of state sanctioned murders. If you were a Brit and killed 10 Frenchmen in Paris during the Hundred Year war, you were given a medal. If you killed a Brit in a pub in London, you were put in jail.
This is basically group mentality writ large. Within the group, there is love, compassion and nurturing.
For anyone outside the group there is only hatred. Largely because those charged with protecting that group (the young men) feel duty bound to fight for the love they have for those within the group (the mothers, sisters, daughters, friends, brothers etc.).
Also, historically, those within the group craved more luxury, more comfort, more spices, more gold etc. and urged those young men to provide accordingly. This pressure to succeed on young men lead to the desire to explore and conquer.
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“Robert Walpole@ What do I have to feel guilty for? Are you wishing the Brits had never existed? So no, I do not feel guilty.”
Linda says,
and did anyone ask you to? I don’t even remember anyone asking you for opinion.
You came here to give your 2 cents because you don’t like the blog owner and you were offended by the people who said something nasty about white people.
well, “bully for you”… now you wish to sit here and try to say “everyone did it, so the British of the past weren’t so bad”– well, yes they were! and your “elegant” proses won’t erase that historical fact.
Your problem is you assume everyone here is “black” and “American”…. well, some of us aren’t, so you don’t get to come here and try to “snow” gullible “Americans” with your British smarminess and incomplete presentations of history.
unlike the Moors, the British mindset was about “exclusion” and the Moors definitely did not try to “kill off” the Spanish, they had policies of “integration” that the Spanish did their utmost to erase as fast as possible by getting rid of anyone who was Jewish or Muslim (remember the Inquisition)
due to the Spanish experience with the Moors, the Spanish also took on a policy of “genocide” and slavery with the Native Americans because they were in the process of kicking the Moors out of Spain and were not in a generous mood.
It was only later when the Spanish government outlawed “Native American slavery”, when the Spanish settlers in America adopted the racial policy of either “breeding the Natives and Africans out” by race mixing or by killing them off by sending the African men to fight their wars against the Native Americans or the British/French
The British in Australia eventually did the same thing by setting up a “breeding” programs for the Tasmanian and Australian indigenous people but this was AFTER they exterminated the majority of the Aboriginals people;
The one thing I will agree with you on is that each British territory indeed made up their “own” rules depending on the country and the situation
but you don’t get to come here and try to make the “British people of old” some kind of saints because they were a bunch of b’stards!!
they had no concern for human life and dignity of others who they deemed “inferior” and this unconcern for human life translated itself top – down to the lower classes of white British people.
that’s why the British upper class/government made a point of shipping the British poor-working class people out of England as fast as they could because they did not want to give them any “civil rights” either — and lets’ not forget the Irish, whose land England wanted to steal, and the Scottish Catholics who were on the losing side of history.
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Linda, your writing is appalling. Can you stop using inverted commas, it is excruciatingly hard to read.
No where did I say the Brits were saints. But, to have profited so much from British inventions and to now casually dismiss the British as being evil is slightly excessive. I do not think I am being irrational for saying that.
I didn’t say there were good or bad. I said I am indifferent. I do not try to moralise the past, as the past had a different moral code.
Someone might argue that paedophiles should face the death sentence, so all medieval men who married 11 year olds should have been executed? That would equate to a genocide.
I won’t try to read the rest of what you wrote because it is atrocious.
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Herneith, you appear to be an idiot as well.
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@Robert Walpole
You had 2 chances to show me you were an adult and worth of intellectual conversation and I can assure you that you will not get three.
However I will answer you this.
1. “What do I have to feel guilty for?”—You tell me? As I never once mentioned your name in my post to George.
2. “Are you wishing the Brits had never existed?”—Where did I say anything about Brits let alone some desire that they never existed? I see you did not hesitate you show your true colors though. 🙂
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Does imbecility carry another name with which I can describe you all?
How about gearbox?
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Robert, I could care less about what you think about my writing–that’s YOUR problem
and know one here CARES about what you think about history or your indifference to it… why you are still here is beyond me.
You said your piece about the blog owner and how you felt “offended” as a white man — once again, “bully for you” — you truly had NO POINT to make when you gave your 2 cents originally because History speaks for ITSELF
it doesn’t need you as the spokesperson and no one asked “Robert Walpole” to take responsibility about anything
go find a real cause to support
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Are you not aware that Ancient Egypt was hegemonic and had a very rigid class structure with slaves at the bottom?
This isn’t about my views or lack thereof on Ancient Egypt. It is about the genocide of the Tasmanian Aborigines. Please stay on course. Carry on.
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No I was only using logic. Evil is, I presume, something that we all dislike and I think we can all agree on that.
Now this is where logic comes into play.
If evil is something we dislike, we would therefore not want it to exist. We can agree that we would hardly want something we dislike to exist.
If the British were evil, then we dislike them, which ultimately means we would have preferred them not to exist.
It is only rational for me to posit that in viewing the British as evil, you would have preferred them not to exist. Who would deliberately want an evil nation to have existed?
Sorry, Sharina, if I made that presumption without fully explaining myself.
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The first thing any invading army does is to either kill the inhabitants, force them into slavery and prostitution, emprison them or sell them off.
That sounds like a hillbilly hoe down on a Saturday night!
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Be very careful what you wish for as we have made our own contributions to humanity.
Fish and Chips!
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No Herneith, I am directly characterising you as an idiot for criticising one slave-less civilisation (the current one) and then dedicating a blog, or a blog post, to a slaved based civilisation.
Please respond to my characterisation.
Criticising white supremacy is something that I can understand but doing so and then showing adulation for a slave based civilisation, that is a bit harder to understand.
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Linda, you are incoherent.
So far only George and Abagond (I hate to say it) have offered any serious rebuttals. Herneith appears to have adopted the I-will-laugh-him-away approach which has so far proved to be quite a poor attempt at humour.
Can anyone offer any serious argumenation please (without excessive inverted commas and majuscule letters)?
I was quite enjoying this.
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Sorry George, I did. But it says ‘still awaiting moderation’. Why does it do that for some posts and not others?
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Robert Walpole
I am sure someone will care when you can present an argument and stop deflecting. Then again perhaps not as George has been presenting one and you still deflect. *shrugs*
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Robert, you are a troll… and you are probably Asplund or Xpraet because this is the SAME responses both of those TROLLS gave when they had no REAL arguments to present — the same way you have Nothing of SUBSTANCE to discuss.
This is not a court you are presiding over– you are the Jester — because when someone presents statements you cannot defend against, you try to deflect with your cartwheels
I’m on to your game, you joke
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But in short, I believe that morality is defined by the society you were issued from. Early British American society saw very little wrong with eradicating the Native Americans. Early South American empires viewed human sacrifice as normal.
I personally view any acts of murder with disdain. In the example you gave, because the society I hail from views it as wrong, I would not commit the act in question.
But if I went to Afghanistan and killed a member of a terrorist cell, many back here in the UK would applaud me (it is still something I would not want to do though).
Furthermore, I obviously view any acts of colonisation as morally incorrect, such as the actions of Israel. That is because my society at large views it as such. If I had been born 200 years ago, I probably would think colonisation was the right thing to do.
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When did I deflect Linda? I have written quite a lot, but many of them appear to be in moderation. So apologies if that makes it out that I am deflecting.
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and yes, Robert, continue to speak to George…
because he is the only one here naive enough to take you at “face value” — everyone else sees you for who you really are.
George: just to clue you in on something as you go forward.
Most of the white “race realists” who come onto this blog ALWAYS say they are married to someone “Asian” or “Latino” (so they can present a picture of being “unbiased” or non-racist) and they all to a man, sound reasonable when they first come in. They also have a tendency to bring up “white Inventions” and the “everyone did it” argument to defend any white Ethnic group and their past history.
Have fun.
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I have two comments that are in moderation. Please be patient.
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because he is the only one here naive enough to take you at “face value” — everyone else sees you for who you really are.
Notice how these race realist always treat the white commenters as having more logic than the ‘idiot’ racialized people? It is a waste of time and energy to ‘debate’ them. They are a joke!
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George, I have a VPN, but it hasn’t always been on.
I don’t see how at any point where I can be said to be trolling. I have used logic throughout.
Even in my characterisations of Abagond and Herneith I have used credible arguments (and quotes from them) to characterise them as such.
Neither have replied to those quotes directly.
If this is the wrong place to debate, I would be happy to do it elsewhere.
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George,
Asplund was good at taking on “other identities”… he and I had many run-ins and this Robert poster, has said one-too-many familiar statements that run parallel to Asplund and other trolls who do “drive-by’s” —
he might not be “Asplund” but he is cut form similar cloth. Most of the white race realists who come here do believe what they say–that’s the problem– they have an agenda… it goes beyond having a gripe with Abagond or white people bashing.
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“Herneith,
Notice how these race realist always treat the white commenters as having more logic than the ‘idiot’ racialized people? It is a waste of time and energy to ‘debate’ them. They are a joke!”
Linda says,
I Agree… but this Robert poster did not come here to “debate” — he came to be Heard and why he is still here– I don’t know.
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Linda, what is a race realist?
You all appear to be characterising the white race as inherently evil. As a white man, I indeed feel obliged to argue against that argument because it carries the presumption that I am myself evil.
I am from London, so it is natural I live in a multi ethnic environment. We have much better race relations here than in other places.
I am fluent in Chinese and lived in Shanghai for a year, which explains being married to a Chinese woman (she is also the only woman who would have me, as you can see, I am quite argumentative :)).
My family hails from Lewisham, which is why my nephews and nieces are half Nigerian, as it has a strong immigrant community.
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Regardless, we appear to have moved to a stage of character assassination rather than that of treating the issue at hand.
Neither Abagond or Herneith have respond to the quotes I attributed to them.
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“Robert Walpole,
You all appear to be characterising the white race as inherently evil.”
Linda says,
That is a Lie… because a few commenters stated that they thought white people were evil, now all of a sudden — EVERYONE here on this blog believes the “white race” is evil… golly gee, assume and presume much, don’t you..
by the way, why do you assume you are the ONLY white person on this blog?!
and you have really big, b’lls to come here and take Anything that is said “personally” because this post is about HISTORY… which speaks for itself and you cannot change it or make assumptions that umbrella everyone based on a few.
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Logic…opinions. ..why bother to learn the difference between the two?! Because in you mind it is logic, but in print it is babble. Plus name calling was a form of your deflection. You chose to do such and ignore when you were addresses on other issues. And this confused act is pretty pathetic.
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@ Robert Walpole
From now on I am deleting all your comments that wind up moderation. I have a comment policy. Read it and follow it like everyone else. You are the only one whose comments almost always wind up in moderation. Mainly because you feel no need to be civil but prefer to be an arrogant prick.
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I appreciate what you have written George and I hope that some readers can go through my comments.
I do a lot of wikipedia reading and after reading about the Tasmanian incident, I googled it and found this post.
I had no idea I was about to engage in a discussion with a group of people with such views.
But I now get the feeling that the mob mentality has set its sights on me and that very little further serious discussion can be had. It is a shame, because I enjoy the mental exercise.
And by the way, I am actually British. There are a lot of us still around, if you hadn’t noticed. London is a great place to be. If ever anyone does decide to travel abroad, I recommend it. 🙂
Yours Truly,
Robert Walpole
The First British Prime Minister
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“Robert,
And by the way, I am actually British. There are a lot of us still around, if you hadn’t noticed.”
Linda says,
yes, we are aware… I get to rub shoulders with “you lot” when I go to London to visit my family… you are not the only learned foreigner on this blog.
Good day to you, sir.
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@ Robert Walpole
Oh please. You condescend and insult and then expect people to be nice to you.
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@ Linda
His IP addresses are British, metropolitan London.
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Neither Abagond or Herneith have respond to the quotes I attributed to them.
Sorry, what were these quotes? I am too busy laughing most of the time. I do not have to respond to your’s or anyone else’s posts on here. I may be dumb in your estimation, but I can assure you I ‘aint’ stupid. I choose what I respond to and whom I respond to. That must be a British trait left over from the colonial times ordering people about. It speaks to your own lack of ‘intelligence’ that you would choose to banter back and forth with a bunch of ‘imbeciles’. You are a jokester sir. Have a nice day.
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My oh my…
This further proves my point on why i choose to not debate, racist white people, that join this blog.
It’s a waste of mind power, that would be better spent on educating, black children, teens and adults that have been brain washed into living in a fantasy land, where black people are singing the the song, “HAPPY” sang by Pharrell Williams in the music video.
With all the issues that are facing black people, what do we have to be, HAPPY about? nothing….
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@sondis i like the ‘happy’ song it improves my mood, and that ain’t easy!!!
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gearbox
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lol v8driver Yeah, i bet YOU would love that song, HAPPY. ^_^
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@sondis i’m pretty sure it’s about making the best of it!
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ima listen to it now, matter of fact
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‘clap along if you live in a room without a roof’
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Black people, singing, HAPPY is an oxymoron? o_0
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Sondis
Hello, I love that song so much.
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Sondis. However I am not blind to the problems Blacks face in this country. Honestly I am tired of this country and the mistreatment of Blacks in this country so I understand your point.
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George is correct, the verse goes…
“Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof”
Not, “clap along if you live in a room without a roof”
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i’m allowed to change words as i see fit! especially when so little of a change ‘personalizes the experience’ sheesh well they say that about us ‘americans’ always taking some type of literature and making it relate to oneself
thanks, sondis, i am fairly well aware of the words.
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Hello Adeen,
I actually like it, too. I heard it for the 1st time, watching the animated cartoon but i didn’t focus on it. Then at the Oscars, i saw Farrell Williams sing it on stage.
I was just making a point on how, ironic how the music video, has black people, singing it and how unreflected happiness is in the lives of black people.
Like for instance, how TV shows depect black people, working and living around whites and having no racial issues and getting along with white people by dining, playing together, which is so fake and phony.
I don’t like that false sense of harmony that the white media and white Hollywood try to project.
You could go to a club at night, where blacks are whites are singing and dancing to this HAPPY song, then when the club is letting out, the police will harass all the black people and try to provoke, black men into a fight, so they can arrest them. The police are there to protect the white people and arrest the black people. not the other way around or to protect both.
That is the point i was making in terms of the Song and the agenda thats behind it. fake and phony.
That being said, it is a uplifting song and gets your mood up, when you’re feeling down but reality comes back really quick, when you’re a black man, singing, Happy in your car with the windows down and a police officer, pulls yo ass over, because he sees that you’re, “happy”. driving while black and happy is a crime…didn’t you know? lol
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v8driver,
I know man, i was actually just teasing you a bit. I wasn’t trying to be, malicious. ^_^
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@ Robert Walpole
“…You said: “I believe that morality is defined by the society you were issued from.”…”
As I correctly interpreted before this is you arguing or attempting to impose your ideas of Moral Relativism onto others. And as George Ryder also rightly points out:
You are essentially saying it’s only natural for racism to be present in society so get over it and deal with it. everyone does it, it’s not about ethics, the past is the past. you forget this immoral behavior is happening right now.
Do you understand how that makes you sound to people?
It makes you sound like a white racist idiot!!! A typical TROLL in other words…
I can’t help but wonder about the type of conversations you get into if you go round making observations like these:
As stated previously as well, I too live in London (born in Liverpool). I certainly don’t share your view of having “…better race relations than in other places…”. But then thats probably down to how each of us perceives our world. You from a “Western white” and privileged one…Me from a Black, non-privileged and anti-racist (white supremacist) informed one.
This is why you would refer to YOUR own family hailing from Lewisham while implying your nephews and nieces hail from an immigrant (non-British) community. Its probably escaped your attention that large and significant portions of that “immigrant community” are indeed (like your nieces and nephews) British born too! So why would you still see them as immigrants?
This probably has something to do with that old British colonial mindset thats seems hard for people like you to expunge.
Unfortunately, Robert. You are not very intelligent. You are not historically very well informed and you are certainly not very racism aware. But then these are not the untypical traits of many “Western born” white people. Why would your slightly different circumstances make you feel otherwise?
You would do well to continue engaging your conversation with George (fellow white commentator) at least you might find it more appealing to heed his advice and incisive questioning than mine.
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i know, dude, it’s ok.
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i do that to a lot of songs
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here goes the herd of cats, hard left at albequerque, but, anyway… what got me with this song, i think i heard it on my car radio at first, i hesitate to say stereo with that contraption, nontheless, the black women singing the background ‘happy’ over and over, i was like wtf is this? at first, and it somehow just really penetrated my soul, idk man, it’s impossible to explain, really
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is it ‘my level’s too high’ or ‘your love is too high’? that is the only contentious lyrics i know in that song…. prolly should do one verse of each
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at 200 quid a day many things are possible i’m sure…
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Why am I always late to these troll-checking parties?
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“But in short, I believe that morality is defined by the society you were issued from. ”
That’s a very conservative viewpoint. Where would humanity be if we all shared it?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. – Shaw
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@sondis on a serious note, yeah i got pulled over again recently, let go with a warning for a like potential $400 fine, a white cop, i’m not going to deny nothing like that
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bull told me, ‘if i want to drive a car, i gotta do everything like everyone else does’
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my opinion is if it starts up and i dont have handcuffs on,
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That’s a very conservative viewpoint. Where would humanity be if we all shared it?
In the shi++er!
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@Abbas
“Darfour, Congo, Zimbabwe ( Think only whites are be killed? black Oppositers dies or are tortured as well), South african white genocide”
Please educate me. When was there a genocide in Darfuor or ZImbabwe, and what groups were targeted?
As to Congo, I assume you meant the Belgian genocide of Congolese people?
And when did a white genocide occur in South Africa? That’s a new one.
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@Robert Walpole
no matter what you argue, you can’t pretend that the white race has not been the single most cruel race mankind has ever known.
i suggest you read up noel ignatiev and many other scholars (since you consider yourself so learned, you might actually listen to what fellow ‘learned’ people have to say).
your moral relativism can’t hide your apoligist themes.
http://www.examiner.com/article/liberal-professor-calls-for-genocide-says-white-males-should-commit-suicide
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I still don’t understand why certain white people take a comment about certain acts committed by certain white people (eg, a genocide, a massacre, lynching, slavery, etc.) as a total affront to “their whole race” and to their individual person. Many POC in the USA have European ancestors that committed those acts, but they can still talk about how horrible it was without taking it personally or bringing up the deflecting Asian atrocity arguments.
It goes further. Let’s say we have a Polish-Italian American whose ancestors immigrated to the USA after the Civil War. I know that their ancestors did not own slaves in the USA. So, why should they feel any guilt or personal offense talking about the situation?
UNLESS,
They have already assimilated into the white American mindset and not only acquired their social and cultural identity, but their guilt and their need to protect the sanctity of the “white” race.
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“UNLESS,
They have already assimilated into the white American mindset and not only acquired their social and cultural identity, but their guilt and their need to protect the sanctity of the “white” race.”
You’re on point with your assessment, Jefe. ^_^
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George Bernard Shaw quote about the reasonable man is thought provoking and it is food for thought.
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@ George Ryder
What is the point of posting that here?
I looked up the quote. If he’s so keen for every white male to commit suicide, why is he still living? Frankly, I think he was looking to get one final headline before his retirement.
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@ George Ryder
I’ve looked into his theories a bit more and he apparently he was not calling for the actual suicide of men who share the ‘white’ phenotype. He was calling for the death of white privilege.
Here’s what he says on his website:
“When we say we want to abolish the white race, we do not mean we want to exterminate people with fair skin. We mean that we want to do away with the social meaning of skin color, thereby abolishing the white race as a social category.”
I don’t like his extreme way of expressing this though. If a violent/crazy person read his final interview out of context they could interpret it as licence to commit all kinds of atrocities.
Anyway, back on topic:
@ Robert Walpole
What has scale to do with anything?
The 6,000 Tasmanians who were exterminated were the last of a unique culture. So with their deaths we didn’t just lose 6,000 people (although that is horrific enough) – we lost a language and history different to any other language and history on this planet.
That’s a tragedy.
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@ Ashanti and @ George Ryder
A bit more digging has revealed that the article you quote from is a fake. It’s a satirical piece plucked from a satirical website – ‘The Diversity Chronicle’.
it’s worrying that people don’t investigate their sources more carefully.
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@wordynerdygirl: Good work, looking out.
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the white peoples divivded us into nations to make us fight each other. the rwandan genocide happened because the belgians put two ethnicities against one another. genocide was unknown of in africa before the arrival of mr leopold the second.
the boundaries of african nations were drawn to divide us. even in the middle east, they will not recognise our historical right to divide our own land for us.
why does the white man decide who palestine goes to and not the palestinians?
but thanks to the white man, we all have a common past of suffering. this will be our stength when we rise up.
the white man will beg for mercy when his hour of judgement comes.
as for the white woman, she has already shown her desire for black flesh. breeding her out will be easy.
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@ Robert Walpole: Comment deleted for using moderated language.
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@jefe like kubler-ross’ deathing process and perhaps the 12 steps of recovery i think there is phases to accepting responsibility or something at least from being within the framework of the american social compact … i know i went through it here it’s “googleable” another is that a word moment, that i went through, it’s binary and an organic process
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Robert Walpole
“Character assasination refers to the attempt to discredit the speaker, rather than his argument.”—Actually no. “Character assassination is a deliberate and sustained process that aims to destroy the credibility and reputation of a person, institution, social group, or nation” As per the wikapedia source you like to read so much. What you are referring to is ad hominem and this is basically what you have been doing since your first post and oddly enough are actually doing in this most recent post.
What I also find funny is this “The !mbeciles I have labelled thus has been due to their poor argumentation, which they maintain in the face of superior logic.” Poor argumentation is what you have done when you deflected on several occasions. Just because you decided to change the goal post and move the conversation in a different direction does not mean you are using some form of “superior logic” it just means you are good at the old duck and dodge. I can provide links to such but then you more than likely will go in denial like you are now. *Shrugs*
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Anyone else find it funny when trolls say they are leaving but then come back with a book worth of responses?
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i believe my argument was my ancestors were picking potatoes out of the ground or something like that
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ah, WAIT FOR IT, back to balfour, yet again, even then…
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@ abagond
Come on. Walpole is a racist and deserves to be moderated/banned – but what about Ashanti? He’s posting some pretty extremist stuff right now which he’s copied from an unattributed source without acknowledging it.
It’s your blog so you don’t have to be unbiased, but this is what gives people like RW the excuse to argue double standards.
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@ Wordy
Walpole’s trouble is not his ideology, but that he is apparently incapable of holding a civil conversation.
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@ abagond
Ok, fair enough. Makes sense, particularly as DJ is getting.such a free rein.
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@Wordy
I think most of da jokah’s comments should be deleted because very few of them are civil or accurate.
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Anyone else find it funny when trolls say they are leaving but then come back with a book worth of responses?
I find it utterly hilarious! He is easy to rile!
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Whatever has happened can happen again. That is why any wise group of people must always be ready, and vanquish any such attempt should it occur.
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don’t worry black people in America and else where the white or caucasions time is coming to its end no goup does this and survives the future
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Is this why most black men are in prison so despair can overcome them to also have you notice the whiteman is so security conscious fear and afraid
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[…] Fonte: The Tasmanian genocide | Abagond […]
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Thanks for the knowledge
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Ha you peoples were trolled by a neocon Zionist. They’re slimy tricky buggers. Mr Warpole that is.
I would of had fun demolishing his reality and muh feelings. Notice how he bought reverence to the Jewish holocaust, yet did not even bother to mention the fratricide of 50 million Europeans over two world wars. My great Grandfather was the only paternal surviving ancestor of those wars.The Jewish holocaust in the Zionist eyes, for propaganda sake, must be upheld as the most reverenced holocaust of all. So you know why he was trying to limit the Tasmanian Aboriginal genocide. Neocon Zionists in England are still on the Right spectrum of politics, they are being purged from the Labor party, the rise of Trump in the USA is seeing the Neocon Zionists purged from the Right(Republicans), they’re flocking to Hillary Clinton, she is actively recruiting them with her latest geopolitical speech.
To the article I’ve a red headed,blue eyed Tasmanian aboriginal friend, we met on a forum, she is 1/132 part Tasmanian Aboriginal apart of the Palawa aboriginal tribe, though she is part of my Scottish tribe too. 🙂 Yes, Tasmanian Aboriginals look white today, it is what it is.
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Something Australian students miss out on learning about
is this history lesson.
EVERY TASMANIAN ABORIGINAL WAS ROUNDED UP AND KILLED
God damn it!!!
This lesson children from other nations know better than Australian children because it is apart of the curriculum of all developed Nations.
Just like the Nazi Holocaust
or the America slave trade.
To be ethical he commonwealth should had hunted all these white murderers down but the commonwealth were payed off by their land grab.
The Commonwealth was complicit
And most all Australians were complaisant.
Believing the tabloids corporate lies.
And the Australian education systems cover up
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Reblogged this on Sa neke druge strane.
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Thank you for educating me. Please keep up the gopd work.
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This is heartbreaking how the indigenous people of Tasmania were slaughtered by convicts from a British convict settlement. The colonial government and scholars of the white world had decided that the Aboriginals weren’t really people. And none of the Europeans were punished for the harm of the Aboriginals. So it’s the same as always rinse wash and repeat, the colonialists bring their disease to the indigenous people and steal the land and the women are assaulted sexually and brutalized. Any time I read about white Europeans going to a land inhabited by indigenous people the story stays the same.
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Horrible. I am angrier by this.
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If Karma was truly a thing, then the British would have gotten their comeuppance eons ago.
Then again, the evaporation of the British Empire and Great Britain’s ongoing loss of relevance may be karma in action. As for the Australians, the ongoing ascendancy of China as a financial and military power may be enough to push Australia into an irrelevance of its own, and at the end of the day, that might be all we’ll have to content ourselves with.
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[…] https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/the-tasmanian-genocide/ […]
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Now, 4 1/2 years after you wrote this, it’s so obvious that Karma is goin’ on in the world. Back-to-back hurricanes, earthquakes and other catastrophes of ‘nature…’ How long did they think they’d get away? And we have to stop co-signing the madness, stand up because as the old folk said, no one can stand on the back of an upright person. God bless.
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This is similar to what was done to Native Americans and African Americans in the name of Europeans who stole, murdered, lied, cheated, raped, and deliberately starved the original people of the lands they invaded the land they lived on in the name of civilization. They want us to forget what they have done and not acknowledge their crimes against humanity but we must continue telling these the truth about their crimes for future generations because his can never happen again. Hold them accountable!!!
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[…] In in the State of Tasmania the Australian Aborigines were totally wiped out (refer – The Tasmanian genocide). Legally the Australian Aborigines (they are a race going back 10,000 years!) did not exist until […]
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@Ms J.
“Could this genocide be the root of the term “Tasmanian Devil” in popular culture?”
Tasmanian devils are animals that look a bit like ferrets. They are called devils due to their eating habits and behavior when confronted during feast. They are also native to Tasmania like the once apparent Tasmanian people who are now gone.
And that weird looking, violent thing on Looney Tunes that chases Roadrunner is a Tasmanian Devil. They actually make a weird sound like that that is more consistent and does not sound like someone spitting.
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We will make this unjustice acts,this genocide,This rape,slavery go viral!We sure will.I will speak for the thousands that lost there lives!This European man is evil has no soul!
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I posted a link to this article on the following link about a festival called Mona. No mention of history, it’s the Guardian ffs. They should. Then again they have an Australian edition, a USA edition, don’t want to upset potential clickbaiters https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/jan/19/i-might-get-my-boobs-out-aboard-air-mofos-bonkers-flight-to-launceston#comment-124870754
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Disgusted just reading this…The atrocities historically committed by whites to people of color is nothing but pure evil, they’re like heartless animals.
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Walpole what a wanker, one death is too much, or are we allowed to have certain numbers of deaths which is acceptable , you embarrass me as I am white you sir belong back in the 1800s
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[…] and all of the island nations. They even exterminated the indigenous people of Tasmania. (https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/the-tasmanian-genocide/ ) Seventy years after the arrival of the White British Christians, every original Tasmanian man, […]
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[…] Pamirštas ir Tasmanijos genocidas, vykdytas 1826–1829 m., kai britų kolonistai išnaikino beveik visus Tasmanijos (tada vadintos Van Diemen‘s Land) gyventojus (jų buvo apie 15000, o Tasmanijoje jie gyveno 30 000 metų). Žmonės buvo išžudyti bei mirė nuo atvežtų ligų vos per trejus metus, o paskutinė grynakraujė tasmanietė Truganini (gim. 1812 m.) mirė 1876 m. Britų pasiteisinimai, dėl ko žudė tasmaniečius, buvo tokie: jie puolė juos pačius, atsikrausčiusius į Tasmaniją 1803 m., todėl žudyta santykiu „1 baltasis už 70 tasmaniečių“; saugotos „jų“ (baltųjų) žemės ir avys; tasmaniečių moterys ir mergaitės paimtos vergovėn – darbui ir seksui; dėl sportinio intereso; tiesiog. Kaip rašė tuomet vienas laikraštis, juos „šaudė kaip varnas“ (https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/the-tasmanian-genocide). […]
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Ask a Tasswegan and you’ll get told that there are full blood Indigenous people on Tassy. Did just that.
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INTENT?
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Iam totally disgusted at what I have read what was done to these people in there own land. These whites from Australia back then needed to be strung up by there testicles until they also died. What a cruel and callous way to destroy a nation. What they did to these people makes what Hitler did to the Jews look like a Fairy Tale. Iam ashamed.
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