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My adventures in porn

Fri May 3rd 2013 by abagond

Charmaine Sinclair, porn actress from the 1990s

When it comes to porn, I feel like a time traveller:

1970s

In the beginning was Playboy. As a boy I would sometimes see a copy of it that either I or one of my friends would find. Playboy did not show any female genitalia. I remember trying to piece together what it looked like from the dictionary.

Magazines, newspapers, film and television were all censored in regard to sex, among other things, so it was from books that I found out about stuff. My best friend’s older brother did tell me about sex when I was nine, but I did not believe a bit of it. It seemed too improbable. Besides, who would want to do such a disgusting thing? There was sex education at school, but that was mainly about pregnancy and other diseases you could catch from having sex. No pictures of female genitalia either.

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Jeannie Pepper, clothed

1980s

At university copies of Hustler and Penthouse freely made the rounds. Hustler showed everything (or so it seemed). I was too ashamed to buy my own magazines, but not too ashamed to look! There were sex stories in Penthouse Forum. They seemed made up.

In time I got up the courage to buy my own porn magazines. My favourite was Players Girls Pictorial. I would cut out the best pictures and make my own collections. Charmaine Sinclair, Ebony Ayes, Sahara and Jeannie Pepper, Jheri curl and all, are pretty much burned into my brain.

1990s

When I got married porn became less necessary but also much harder to look at. My wife was not above going through my stuff and making a scene. On the other hand, she did have some porno films.

Then came the Internet.

By the late 1990s Internet speeds were fast enough to show photographs and there was plenty of free stuff. On the other hand, you could only look at the Internet on a desktop computer – at home, work or the library. Too public in my case.

2000s

By the early 2000s most Internet pornography disappeared behind pay walls – you had to pay for it. I never did.

Developments in the late 2000s led to:

2010s

The Golden Age of Porn, brought to you by:

Wireless Internet, laptop computers and smartphones – that let you see porn almost anytime, anywhere – even when you do not want to.
Internet speeds – ones fast enough to support video.
Google Images – to find the free stuff. It seems you only have to pay if you are a hardened addict or want high-quality video.
Tumblr – which allows you to find and follow those on the Internet who share your tastes and create your own collection, which others can then follow and so on.

Doubtless there are other things I do not even know about.

I grew up in such innocent times! Growing up now I would become completely warped and unhappy: I would not be able to separate fact from fantasy.

Update (2015): In the Golden Age of Porn, Playboy stops printing pictures of naked women.

Update (2018): Tumblr, which was kind of the Wild West of porn, will be banning porn as of December 17th. Tumblr has lately been fighting off porn bots. Unable to filter out all the child porn, it has been pulled from Apple’s App Store.

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249 Responses

on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 12:48:47 truthbetold

LOL!

for some reason, the title of your post made me laugh!

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 13:00:40 Cornlia

I have a stupid question (but not so stupid since I am a woman and know where things are located):
how is it possible for a picture to “show a vagina” ?

It can show everything else except what’s inside, right ? You would need a Gynecologist’s instrument to do so…

Just sayin’ 😉

Is it yet another vocabulary problem ?

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 13:13:10 tehnoun

Oh man, a discussion on porn. I have many insights no one would ever want to hear. 😛

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 13:14:36 abagond

@ Cornlia

LOL. I need a better dictionary! Thanks for the correction.

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 13:20:23 B. R.

Now this is a fantastic subject….Im very much in favor of porn…my favorite site is porn hub…lets face it, if you want to find out what you like about sex and what might apeal to you, hard core porn is a great place to study…if you want to find out what your partner likes and what might turn them on or if you want to show them something you would like to try, porn is a wonderful way to do it before you get in an awkward situation in bed in real time …like how to lick the balls, which isnt standard on the table sex discusion..great to be able to show examples

at my age, anything that sparks the desire is wonderful…keep that spark going at all costs..if you dont use it you lose it..and i love sex and have no desire to let the spark mold in the background

yes, the internet has brought it to our fingertips in living color in a big fast way…

my favorites are Misty Stone, Marie Luv, Lori Amexia,some other girls I havent memorised their names yet and I will be sure to look up this woman you have above, Abagond

there is no doubt in my mind that these porn videos are really to get me primed up to make love to my significant other…

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 13:49:29 Cornlia

Abagond,

I think it might be in the local vocabulary. I have already read or heard of “vagina” in the US (and in one or two Jamaican songs !) where in fact the “locus” is the sexual parts.

I guess it simply designate “the goal” !

Personally I don’t like porn. I think it’s too violent (even when it’s not violent porn) and especially too commercial. To me it’s really an expression of the will to possess everything and make big money by Capitalism.

What’s interesting about “sex”, vocabulary and languages/cultures is how the words used to describe sexual activities are really cultural.

In France, 20 sth years ago, you didn’t hear “le sexe”, but “la sexualité”. Now, people use “le sexe” as a translation of “sex” and it clearly designate a “product” you get (by purchasing it or having it as “gift” for someone else).

French people tend to say “make love” (“faire l’amour”) in the place of “have sex”, simply because we don’t have a similar expression. Otherwise it would be “avoir un rapport” (have a -sexual- relationship) or “baiser” (f… – notice I don’t use “…” in French because we are not as “hypocritical” -no offense to anyone, this is another cultural thing- in our use of words. – the “beep” on the radio and TV makes us laugh a lot because they actually reinforce the nature of the hidden words !)

Back in the late 80s and early 90s when I was in the US, I noticed how “sex” was spoken of as consumer product as opposed to a “social activity” in French.

“have sex” “have dinner” “have a sandwich”…
“faire l’amour” “dîner” “manger un sandwich”

this is maybe due to the vocabulary involved ? Or reversely…

And to conclude, here is an anecdote.

I was switching channels and saw one of these shows (that I usually never watch) with a very energetic presenter (a tall woman with glasses I think) where people come and expose their personal life to everyone in the audience and TV viewers.

It was about marriage.
And I was SHOCKED. NO ONE, not one person, among those getting married or already married ONCE said “make love”. They all said “have sex”. To me that was appalling ! I would have thought “have sex” (“baiser”) designated casual, one-night-stand, pre-marriage relationship/partnership, NOT for couples of lovers (people in love) who are engaged in a long-lasting relationship. I would have thought they thought of their intimate and loving physical relationship as “making love”…

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 13:49:34 v8driver

@abagond way to keep it 100…

@cornlia not sure how to explain that from a geometrical perspective, but it’s possible!

eh my ex-wife was a good sport with making tapes and the webcam and the stories and all but it was a bit much for both of us after a while.

in the dubious awards category, nice to know i’ve exceeded and excelled at something…

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 13:52:57 Cornlia

“@cornlia not sure how to explain that from a geometrical perspective, but it’s possible!”

Hmmm. Yeah, I guess so ! I imagine a lot is in porn…

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 14:18:21 oogenhand

Reblogged this on oogenhand and commented:
Shared masculinity….

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 14:46:26 solesearch

As a youngster, who went to church and listened to a lot of rap, I was certain sex was only for whores.

One of friend’s in high school lived with her dad and this guy had a huge porn collection. It was kind of disturbing. One night, when he was out, a group of us watched maybe a minute of one before we had to turn it off. It was disgusting and pretty violent. We were all giving her dad the side eye after that.

Cornlia, most of the current American slang for having sex is violent: hitting it, beat it up, banging, bust it, smashing. Most of it comes from rap music, which isn’t usually concerned with love.

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 15:00:57 Cornlia

Solesearch, your comment made me think of this.

I know some might find it far-stretched (or far-fetched, I never know which one is the one I actually want to express), but I believe that the porn industry (because it is an industry) is a side product (or maybe a main product) of white supremacy. it doesn’t have much to do with actual eroticism which is not an object, it seems to me, but more a product of the mind’s working.

To me all the elements are present, in particular the sexual subjugation of women (“white”, “black” in particular), which is at the core of white supremacy. It functions on all the stereotypes (exoticism and the rest) and focuses on the white man’s sexual “potency” if not “power”. It also acts as a restrainer of potentialities by focusing people on something that they *may* (may !) get addicted to. Especially with the wider possibilities of the web, as Abagond pointed out.

Sexually and politically loaded vocabulary cross in this domain

power, potency, impotence potentialities…
pouvoir, puissance, impuissance

(Sarkozy over-used these aspects of things in his 2007 campaign, which ended with his victory and a speech to the Nation that echoed with triumphant images of rape (of the said Nation).)

I have been wondering about this for a while, so this post is really interesting to me. I’d like to see what everyone has to say.

Is there going to be a male/female dichotomy ? I’m curious…

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 15:12:16 Cornlia

My Synonyms dictionaries say a lot on this:

French (Le Robert, Dictionnaire des Synonymes):

Puissant, capable, considérable, efficace, énergique, fort, grand, haut, influent, intense, omniprésent, prépondérant, prépotent, redoutable, riche, souverain, tout-puissant. Par ext: 1.éloquent, profond, violent, 2. vigoureux, viril.

Impuissant, aboulique, affaibli, ankylosé, débile, désarmé, engourdi, faible, impotent, improductif, inapte, incapable, incompétent, inefficace, infertile, inhibé, inopérant, insuffisant, invalide, neutralisé, paralysé. Méd: eunuque, frigide (seul. fém.), infécond, stérile

English (The Penguin, Dictionary of English Synonyms and Antonyms):

Powerful, potent, strong, mighty, forceful, intense, energetic, vigorous, robust, sturdy, effective, efficacious, telling, cogent, persuasive, convincing, influential, weighty, effectual, authoritative, commanding, supreme

Powerless, impotent, ineffectual, ineffective, weak, feeble, helpless, incapable, defenceless, vulnerable

Hmm, seems like French has more words.

For sure, it would be possible to write a summary of the way Capitalim and white supremacy function with those adjectives only…

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 16:32:28 satanforce

Sooooo, this explains your latest perversions…..

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 17:33:47 B. R.

Cornlia, dont be so uptight…at porn hub, you can find your taste , there is all kinds aproaches

You are so ready to cap on “American thinking” about it, but you are coming off as uptight…the French dont have any corner on higher sexual atitudes, I live in Brazil..

this is what seperates us from China, the freedom to view things like pornography

There are plenty of women in the porn industy who would kick your butt insinuating they are being exploited…

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 17:35:55 B. R.

I dont listen to words when I watch, just keep the dam sound down, this is really hilarious, we are talking about porn and you are going into a dictionary about words….

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 17:38:07 Cornlia

Where did you read that I am uptight ?

I don’t like porn.

I prefer to use my imagination. Some say it’s a female thing, I don’t know. but that’s how I function.

Let them kick my butt. I’m just sharing an observation. As far as I know, the porn industry is an industry that makes A LOT of money.

Capitalism rules. Even our sexuality. And I *think* that the hugest porn industry is American.

If I am wrong, I was just thinking before I saw your comment) that it would be great if someone knew a little more about the industrial aspect and posted about it…

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 17:39:50 Cornlia

Yeah, I had a lot of fun checking the lists of words.

i found it very telling.

We each have our own ways of enjoying things. Any problem with that ?

Good if it made you laugh.

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 17:49:55 Cornlia

The words I looked where not those used by the actors, I hope you noticed ! It would be actually hilarious to have a porn film with dialogues using those…

You do realize that I am not talking about the sexually entertaining aspect of porn (which I leave to those who enjoy it), but the making of it !

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 18:09:12 B. R.

The women get paid more than the men….you are so hung up on your “American thinking”…

Uptight womens lib with their “oh my god its sexual exploitation, women in a bikini is being a sex object”..hades yes, Im living in a place where women dressin the skimpiest bikinis anywhere

Feminine thing? Who are you to say what all women like and dont? That would be very presumtuous on your part…women are as into all kinds of sex as men…there are men who dont like it rough , too, and there are women who love a good hard slam…there are women who like big size and women who just dont…and lots of women would like a man to perform oral sex on them..if they can show their partner scenes of that happening, it could help….

That is what gets me about the people start throwing in the “sexual exploitation” label…it fogs over the real sexual exploitation

But, all the god dam sexual uptightness and womens lib uptightness just makes people more uptight in general about sex

Porn is actualy very healthy, it can help a person educate themselves about what they like about sex…people need to see that sometimes their most deepest desires they might be ashamed of, are on porn sites

I dont care if people dont like porn, dont want to watch it, but keep your uptight judgements to yourself and let freedom ring for people that might not think like you and could find out what they might like from watching porn

Doctors say that the prostrate gland has a less likely chance of getting prostrate cancer if you have an orgasm once a day…that little notice wasnt lost on me…I dont force myself on my female partners, if they have s headache , if they are on menstration, if they are away on business,if they have a sickness that sex might not help, because it can make you feel better if you have certain kinds of symtons, Im going to go look at porn hub , get some baby wipes and help my prostrate gland not get cancer

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 18:14:44 B. R.

oh yeah, and “its capatalism!!” …would you give me a fuking break

you are god dam real that is why its better not to live in China, Cuba and North Korrea

man, Abagond, just when I thought we would get back to the good old days of talking about white racism and and then talk about booty size and ladies were bringing in their pictures to show how fine they are in their avatars…

man, the uptighties are taking over

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 18:40:05 B. R.

Like you are an expert on the subject, Legion

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 19:03:02 tehnoun

Like you are an expert on the subject, Legion

You’re just jealous of Legion’s charisma and stunning good looks. That avatar of his (which I assume is a photo of him) is the sexiest thing I’ve ever seen!

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 19:28:58 mstoogood4yall

I used to watch porn,but as i started awakening i noticed alot of things and don’t watch anymore. They always have the title say thug,ghetto,or gangsta,nasty etc,when its black porn. They have stereotypes even in porn. I kinda like reading erotic stories that aren’t degrading and don’t use stereotypying.

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 19:59:56 Omnipresent

B.R aka Dirk Diggler (lol) if you want to find out what you like about sex and what might apeal to you, hard core porn is a great place to study

Legion: Holy Shit! Worst advice evaaaar!

I agree with Legion – pictures and film only tell you so much (not that its not entertaining watching lol). It is down to individual taste after all. By all means take notes if you are inexperienced but the best way to find out what might be pleasurable between couples is trial and error.

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 21:34:16 B. R.

“if you want to find out what you like about sex”…notice I didnt say this was sex education…I mean , Omnipresent, your assumtion is if you have a steady partner and you are able to talk and experiment, which porn would still be a great guide to look at and talk between the partner and decide if its worth experimenting…but , that is only if you have a steady partner, you are leaving all the people who want to have sex, have only had a few experiances and arnt with someone steady at the moment, etc out in the dust…porn is still one great way to discover…Im talking about a site that gives you lots of catagories and differant choices

Porn is just a large compliment to sex education, self discovery, masterbation, couples who want to look at things together to discuss if that is something they want to try, a way to demonstrate to a partner what you like

I thought this was going to be an enlightening discusion , where we might even exchange great links to check out, talk about new stars we can check out ( ladies there are a lot of men you can lock into as your favorites and pass the news around , which ones have the technique you like), talk about sex, techniques,

Instead it turns into lambasting sexual objectivity and exploitation,the evils of capitalism,pointing out the one nut case that used porn (he probably drank milk too, like all of us did) calling me “dirk diggler”….

hey , Abagond, you tried…..

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 21:43:22 Adeen

Why would any Black woman want to do porn? I am a Black woman, well young, but I don’t want to do porn ever! I think it is a nasty and degrading industry that exploits women for the lust of men.

Of course there is racism in the porn industry as long as Whites run things and oppress minorities, racism will always exist.

I know I hadn’t commented in a while but I know I had to comment on this one.

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 21:43:55 B. R.

As far as the labeling, there are just things you have to ignore and discard and skip over….if i see a lady ive liked before in a clip that has some degrading or techniques Im not expert in , like anal, and not my favorite parts….I skip over them!!! to get to the parts that have the tecniques i do likeI turn down the sound when I dont want to hear fake orgasms !! they have controls to really narrow it down to what you like

I dont get off at all on degrading women, but some people will see something that they dont like, and because it makes them uneasy, they call it degrading…but to someone else, it is not degrading at all and they may like it…one thing we all better agree on about sex is, there are as many differant tastes about what people like about sex as there are people in this world

A full site is going to have a range of subjects and some of them may be offensive to you….

I sure dont say porn is for everybody….but, dont anybody implicate or try to put down anyone else for using porn to enhance their sex lives…or lets battle about that…because I sure defend anyones right to never want to look at porn for what ever reason in their background makes them uneasy about it….

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 21:51:36 B. R.

Adeen, maybe there are black women that like doing porn, they have exhibishionalist feelings that they want to express and it fullfills them inside.

Why would you judge them? It really has nothing to do with color…wow, now we are going to start racialising sex in porn

Lexington Steel is a major player in the porn industry , owning his own buseness interests and producing films…Same with Marie Luv…she is in charge of a lot of her productions…they both have plenty of interracial and black partners…

Im not saying you have to like porn or should watch it…absolutly dont ,if the thought of it seems bad to you….but please dont judge me or anyone else for liking it and finding use of it….or better yet, wait until you are my age and ask yourself if you want to keep the spark going or let it mold….and dont say “oh, i dont need anything, its just natural for me…”…haha you need everything under this gods earth to keep that natural fire burning bright….your mate deserves nothing less

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 21:58:32 B. R.

You men and women out there now on this blog , who use porn and enjoy it now, dont you dare leave me hanging here….you hypocrites

Satan !!??? Herneith !!??

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 22:16:20 B. R.

By the way, Adeen, your comment came in while I was typing, and, probably other comments will come in while Im typing this…

But, I just want to say, I acknowledge you are a young women, who is developing , and discovering how you want to feel about yourself in this world and how you want to discover your sexual side of yourself in this world…I never would implicate anything to you what you should feel about porn, because Abagond brought this interesting adult subject in, Im talking on this thread in an open adult mannor about sex subjects , and my support of freedom of choice in sexual matters..

I hope my adult sexual referances wont offend you and if Abagond thinks I should tone it down, I gladly would comply…but , I think freedom of sexual expresion and describing things in detail in a discusion like this is part of the deep truth about it…or what should be represssed about it…

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 22:48:20 solesearch

It’s amazing how some of the same people who rage against racism, have no understanding of sexism.

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 23:09:08 mary burrell

“Clutching my pearls” I clearly have a case of the vapors and in need of some smelling salts.

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 23:12:19 Gen

It’s been a while since I’ve seen porn. A lot of it is crammed full of plastic bodies and equally plastic enthusiasm plus I just usually end up rolling my eyes because the men are constantly posturing like giant aholes. Just mechanical, violent bodily functions caught on tape, no eroticism or feeling. Not to mention they’re usually rife with misogyny and racism.

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 23:29:13 mary burrell

Seriously, porn is boring. I never could get into it. But that’s just me. To each his own, Whatever blows your dress up.

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on Fri May 3rd 2013 at 23:50:49 Herneith

Shame on you watching such filth!

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 03:02:20 B. R.

Peanut, did you know that some of the earliast cave paintings were depictions of humans having some pretty wild sex….

Like I said, I have nothing against anyone who thinks porn isnt for them , I just think its wrong to judge it as bad

First , I would say sexual education is most important of all, especialy someone Adeen’s age, of course, I know you are , Peanut….but, I have to disagree about the negative aspects on society…you cant take the kinky aspects you read about and equate that with what porn represents to everyone…yes, there is incredibly kinky, warped, seemingly strange sexual behaviours out there in the internet…but also life….it always was …”Marques de Sade”?..and, if it is consensual and not hurting anyone, there are nooks and crannies for all kinds of human desires….where do you really draw the line? I will not be the judge, and , I dont want anyone judging me….let freedom ring…you cant judge porn on the kinkiest sides you saw…that would be judging all movies on the worst most violent and badly acted movies…

Porn can be incredibly healthy in a person’s sexual developement , it can help a person learn about themselves, it can show a person things they might have only thought about, it can actualy promote fidelity if the person uses it to make sure they wont cheat on their mate , getting the sexual tension off , if they are on the road, guarenteeing they dont have to be tempted…each person can be affected differantly

It can tell you more about positions than stick figure diagrams of the Kama Sutra…India knew how to hook it up back in the day …didnt they..

I seperate sensuality from sexuality and I need huge doses of both in my life…they are both incredibly important to me..

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 03:11:34 B. R.

Well , Solesearch, its amazing some people are really sexualy repressed

I am so happy to live in a place where, when its warm and there is sun, you can go out to the beach and see some really beautiful women, arrive in really sexy short shorts and strip down to bikinis that are extremly small and worn up in the crack of their extraordinarily well shaped derrier…

These woman are very sensual and this is what woman’s lib people would lable being sexualy exploited and a sex object …victoms of sexism

I am so happy that these shrill banshee types who are sexualy repressed and lost sight of real problems women face, are so far away from this beach, and beleive me, these wonderful sensual women would stone any schrill banshee from sticking their repressed nose where it doesnt belong….

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 03:21:07 B. R.

What a great thread, Abagond, Im starting to agree its better to not do a “Boston” thing…even though the thought of the entertaining conspiricy theories could have been wild…but, so much draining information out there on it, and bone headed observations from all sides…so draining and emotionaly exhausting

this is so much more fun…I hope we can keep this one going for a long long time…but, I wish we would get to the examples parts…the links, the tips,

then agian, who am I fooling, even this will get off into capatalism and sexual exploitation

I love sex and sensuality, its the the life force and keeps the soul going in a dog doodoo world …porn is just a compliment to my dionistic life style

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 03:23:17 B. R.

Peanut , your comment came in while I was typing

for sure, I too agree to disagree, and hope you find your way in the sexual relationship world…it is so differant now than when I was young

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 03:26:10 sondis

I remember my 1st experiences with the female body was a playboy or other dirty magazine. I was just curious as most boys my age. I used to like porn but i don’t, anymore.

I don’t need to see any penetration to get aroused, a woman in her panties or booty shorts is enough to get my blood moving. *_*

Sorry ladies, i don’t want yall to think I’m some kind of pervert. -_-

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 03:28:19 Cornlia

Wow, LOL.
Great ! So I go away for a few hours and upon my return I discover that I have turned from white idiot and color-blind racist to anti-American uptight feminist ! Some other guy who writes a French Afro-fascist (he used to be Afro-centrist with a hint of racism but has now shown his true colors, if I may say) blog thinks I am a black woman who likes to be sodomized by white men… (yeah, there are people who do have such a “rich” imagination. That guy thinks it is black women’s victory over white men to get them to sodomize them… Whatever)

I wonder, are there now special on-line psychology Masters one can complete in a few weeks with the following specialty: “Hidden Internet Character Expertise” ?

Abagond is going to be in possession of a “binder full of Cornlias” very soon, with typologies to choose from depending on the topic at hand…

B.R., if you need porn as a replacement for imagination in your sexual life, that’s fine with me. A lot of people (mostly men) are like that.
I don’t need it and I don’t like it. I have my brains to concoct nice little erotic plans that I can explore with my husband. Sorry if it doesn’t work for you, you need the industry’s products.

I’ll go back to your nice “suppositions” on “me” (I must be really interesting for several commentators to be so into “me”) and tell you what I think about them, while remaining in the topic, which is what I “try” to do whenever I come here.

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 03:29:00 B. R.

Also, Peanut, I have lived my life and am at the last quarter, so to speak…I am so thankful I have been true to myself and my desires , I am so thankful I didnt hold back

And, sex now, well, its more intence than it ever was in my life…because when its good, at my age, its celibrated more than ever because , you never know when some debilitating disease, or broken hip bone from a fall, or what ever, will debilitate the ability to have sex to its fullest …so, always keeping my sexual desire at a tip is a high priority and porn is a great whip of the sexual desire…most of the porn I watch mimics a model of me and my wife, and, I could watch stuff I know I wont do, like threesomes, out of curiosity, no matter what, it stokes the fires and I feel alive to be in touch with those desires

Im not going to let my prostrate mold

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 03:31:36 Cornlia

Haha Legion, this just happened to me.

I was going to link Prince’s Dirty Mind to this thread. When I got to youtube and couldn’t find it, I realized my problem:
I was looking for a Prince song on the internet, *sigh.*

I was looking for Madhouse 8 and 16 on YouTube and came across (interesting) accounts and stories on them by other fans, but no music. Er, yeah, one of them cleverly managed: he shot his video himself while the record was playing in the background.

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 03:35:01 sondis

I had an ex that i used to, perform oral sex on her, when i woke up in the morning, it turned me on that she woke up to me, doing that to her and having her orgasm and then fall back to sleep. *_* <—was freaky deaky

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 03:44:20 sondis

Lmao @ peanut:

“I felt this thing rubbing again me.”

Its all a learning experience…. ^_^

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 04:00:44 lifelearner

In my opinion, porn is like a cheap thrill for those that lack imagination. It shows you nothing other than debasing and objectifying women. Porn promotes misogyny and edifies the rape culture.

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 04:14:38 sondis

Single eh? where do you live? How old are you? what are you looking for? relationship? single man here, no kids. Holla fo a dolla! ^_^

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 04:23:49 Cornlia

B.R.

The women get paid more than the men….you are so hung up on your “American thinking”…

There are thousands of porn actors… I am *pretty sure* they don’t all get paid *a lot*. Only the “stars” do”, no?
What is my “American thinking” ? Isn’t the American porn “market” huge ? For a country that “seems” so prude, it’s interesting, no ? Don’t the US influence the rest of the world a lot ?

Uptight womens lib with their “oh my god its sexual exploitation, women in a bikini is being a sex object”..hades yes, Im living in a place where women dressin the skimpiest bikinis anywhere

LOL So, according to you, not liking porn (which is my right !) is equal to being “uptight” and a feminist ? Where the heck did you get that very sexist idea from ?

Feminine thing? Who are you to say what all women like and dont? That would be very presumtuous on your part…women are as into all kinds of sex as men…there are men who dont like it rough , too, and there are women who love a good hard slam…there are women who like big size and women who just dont…and lots of women would like a man to perform oral sex on them..if they can show their partner scenes of that happening, it could help….

WAIT A MINUTE ! Where did I say that ? This is the only thing I said that contains something close to “feminine”:

“Is there going to be a male/female dichotomy ? I’m curious…”

Here you are, following Kwamla’s lead, putting words in my mouth and blowing your fertile imagination (well not so fertile since you seem to be able get most of it only from porn).

That is what gets me about the people start throwing in the “sexual exploitation” label…it fogs over the real sexual exploitation

I hope you are you saying there is NO sexual exploitation in the porn industry… I didn’t say that the porn industry is about “sexual exploitation” per se, I said that as an industry, its goal is to make money. What other way can it have but “exploitation” (that is making someone work for it) to make that money with the only “resource” it has: men and women ?

But, all the god dam sexual uptightness and womens lib uptightness just makes people more uptight in general about sex

Get out of here ! Who are you talking about here ? Since when has “porn” (the industry) been about sexual liberation ? It sells you what it wants. You buy it if you want, that’s the only freedom. (Unless you make your own stuff).

Porn is actualy very healthy, it can help a person educate themselves about what they like about sex…

Oh man ! How many kids (sometimes 11 years old) have I heard in my classes who thought that what they saw in porn was to be done straight with their girlfriends and they would love it ! (But Legion pointed to that)

people need to see that sometimes their most deepest desires they might be ashamed of, are on porn sites

They “need to” ? According to whose advice ? Wall Street and Hollywood ? So porn is the only source of eroticism you know about and everything that porn videography shows is a must and a can-do ? Mmm.

I dont care if people dont like porn, dont want to watch it, but keep your uptight judgements to yourself and let freedom ring for people that might not think like you and could find out what they might like from watching porn

What the hell !
I said that I don’t like it.
I said that it’s an industry (is that not the case ?)
and I said that it conveys stereotypes that are linked to white supremacy. That’s not a judgment, it’s an observation. I even said that it may be far-fetched, and asked for others’ opinion on that ! Here:

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-adventures-in-porn/#comment-169120

I think you just don’t read and jump to conclusions…

You don’t care, but still you care. Porn is what “lets freedom ring” you say… Okay, that’s your vision of liberation… not mine. Did I ever tell people not to watch it ? Why are you inventing things ?

Doctors say that the prostrate gland has a less likely chance of getting prostrate cancer if you have an orgasm once a day…that little notice wasnt lost on me…I dont force myself on my female partners, if they have s headache , if they are on menstration, if they are away on business,if they have a sickness that sex might not help, because it can make you feel better if you have certain kinds of symtons, Im going to go look at porn hub , get some baby wipes and help my prostrate gland not get cancer

Hilarious ! Who said you can’t do that ? Me ? Did I anywhere say the porn industry should be banned ????

oh yeah, and “its capatalism!!” …would you give me a fuking break

Of course it is. It is a huge industry.

you are god dam real that is why its better not to live in China, Cuba and North Korrea

??? China has the biggest porn market, according to this: http://www.familysafemedia.com/pornography_statistics.html

And I am ready to bet that due to the ban on porn in Cuba (they know it’s capitalist, héhé -and I guess they manage to get theirs hands on it) Cubans have a very fertile sexual imagination… without the “help” of porn…

man, Abagond, just when I thought we would get back to the good old days of talking about white racism and and then talk about booty size and ladies were bringing in their pictures to show how fine they are in their avatars…

man, the uptighties are taking over

In your imagination B.R..
Maybe that’s who you’re looking for in your “hub” ? It really sounds like it’s your greatest fantasy… an obsession, you see them everywhere, including where they are not.

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 04:28:15 Cornlia

^^ Correction: “I hope that you are *NOT* saying there is NO sexual exploitation in the porn industry…”

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 04:37:56 Cornlia

It would be interesting to have an African’s take on this. Only recently has porn been sold on the markets (literally) there, next to the nicely piled tomatoes and plantain bananas in the form of piles old video tapes and sun-washed DVDs, together with Disney movies and soap (very good soap).

It has had a disruptive impact as there has been no real “warning” as to the content and kids have had easy access to it (I know because I have witnessed it with kids thinking that “white people” do “that” as a casual and every day activity. It certainly won’t improve the west’s image there !).

Contrary to what B.R. joyously explains, it may not have had such a “positive” impact of the sexual imagination of young Africans. That’s what I noticed in Cameroon, at least. It hasn’t prevented homosexuals from being brutally treated for being who they are. So I don’t think it has prompted much “sexual liberation” so far.

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 04:44:19 Adeen

@BR
I am not trying to judge people who look at porn, that is their business but I don’t like it. I have strong convictions when it comes to sex. I am heterosexual and I plan on waiting until I am married because I wouldn’t ever want to lose it to a guy that professed to loving me but doesn’t. I hope that doesn’t ever happen to me ever just because………

I am young and going off to college soon and I hope to keep my strong convictions into college because I don’t want to have kids ever. I want to focus on the career I have my sights and goals on, become an published author and find a nice guy to be with.

This is a good and interesting post though.

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 04:45:12 Cornlia

I dont get off at all on degrading women, but some people will see something that they dont like, and because it makes them uneasy, they call it degrading…but to someone else, it is not degrading at all and they may like it…

It would be good if you said things clearly. Are you talking about degrading treatment or not ?

Because this is kinda… confusing… and surprising…

I imagine that “degrading” has legal definitions…

But in the name of freedom…

B.R., just one question: does sex/sexuality exist for you outside of porn-driven activities ?

‘Cause, you know, there are a lot of people who have “great sex” (as the Americans say – yes !) without it…

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 04:57:39 Cornlia

B.R. just for the record:

Like I said, I have nothing against anyone who thinks porn isnt for them , I just think its wrong to judge it as bad

and to make it short. I never did that. I said “I don’t like it”. Da*n it !

I’m tired of these posters speaking in my name and whining when something doesn’t please them. You said you don’t care, so don’t care !

Do you get it now ?

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 04:58:26 Cornlia

When i read the comments, I can answer my own question :

“Is there going to be a male/female dichotomy ?”

YES !

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 05:12:22 sondis

@ peanut I have a few more questions, email me so i can ask. ^_^

sondisbpt@gmail.com

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 05:25:53 Cornlia

And to talk about the topic, I don’t separate sensuality and sexuality, I don’t even see how it’s possible. Dancing (in couple) is a huge stimulus and I like to make love, not to “have sex”. Performance is “boring” (that’s probably why I don’t like porn). Closeness of skin is very exciting, not images or sound. Orgasms are very cool and relaxing, and the mutuality of pleasure with my husband is a must for us. I had other partners in my youth and I think that was a good thing. It must be REALLY frustrating to “wait” until marriage ! Woah ! I could never ever have done that. It was not even something that entered my mind. It was obvious to me (but each has his/her way, I even admire those who can wait) that pre-marriage (it’s a huge commitment) experience was “natural”. I just hope you get the right sexual partner when it’s time to get serious…

Talking about doctors: a very famous French “sexologue” has studied thousands of men and women in the course of many years and showed that we do not function in similar ways (women “imagine” and men need stimulus, to put it briefly)… but end up being complementary… if we try to understand the other. He is working on a study with gay couples.

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 09:44:50 v8driver

@peanut I think we should all tell sex stories on here now.

no.

for me porn is an addictive substance similar to everything else i got addicted to… there’s meetings for that too.

i don’t really ‘stand proud’ about my non-mainstream thinking, my sexualization happened in about 3rd grade as my friend (same age) had got involved with a man who would rape him under the bridge in a park and guess who my friend chose to talk to and ‘act out’ on his childish misconceptions … me. enchante, to use a french word.

It’s about freedom, but porn can really desensitize your sense of dignity and self-respect, and respect for others.

A lot of porn is about debasing people, but there is a line there, I support sex workers’ rights to do their thing in a libertarian sense, but a lot of 18 year olds get caught up in that whole scene you can see their eyes rollin up in the back of their heads for probably a few different reasons, like here darlin take this and everything will be ok

It seems each generation gets a little more liberated in their thinkin here in the US, sheesh in Philly there was an oral sex contest on a public bus amongst a largish number of high schoolers, i believe it was on the way to school, that’s just crazy

and for the record nothing is better an actual live person in your company.
I would know

but… porn is safe sex. gotta chalk that one up in the ‘plus’ column

@sondis and peanut well you have made this a dating site too, sheesh what ever happened to the good old days. lol. actually i feel like i derailed this whole site but abagond started it!

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 10:10:54 B. R.

I just want to make it clear, all my put downs about uptight people dont include Peanut and Adeen, Peanut is my freind, and I wont throw her under the bus, and Adeen is a young developing mind..

the rest of you are stiff Taliban , commie pinko uptighties

You are boring, Cornlia…I see through you..yeah, Kwamla, Im with you, I dont know what your exact conflict with Cornlia was, I just agree with you

What is really funny is , ” oh the porn industry is so degrading to women, it is so exploitive.Im waiting for the right man to come along…”

What do you really think is more dangerous to women, those of you screaming about how bad the porn industry is for women?….hooking up with a man is much more risky and dangerous than the porn industry for a woman…a women is much more likley to be beat , abused and even murdered because of in house domestical violence than any porn industry…you all dont know anything about life…all you can do is rage against capatilism and explotation of women, but you cant even look at the truth

I admire women who do porn, they are so uninhibited
I think prostitution should be legal also

you prudes…

yeah Herneith, you go shopping and play bingo, Im going out and look at string bikinis in provacative poses and look at porn hub and then make deep love to my significant other…

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 10:17:39 B. R.

And those of you who secretly look at porn now , but are leaving me hung out on the wire here….you all are worse than anyone…”pages stuck together with African goo…”

but dont worry, Ill gladly take the hit to stand up for what is right…

“you will take my porn only from my cold dead hands…” you commie pinkos…Fox ass holes think commies are too liberal, I know they only take your freedoms away

“oh they use their imagination…”.” what will the Africans think”..you are so tired Cornlia, get my @ss to South Beach and decadant capatalism, where they are starting to wear string bikinis and the women walk around dressed like they are porn stars, dressed so sexy and provacative….South Beach is trying to catch up to Brazil

Any of you women ever tried on a fio dental and put it up the crack of your @ss?

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 10:39:44 v8driver

@cornlia dont let em get you down i definitely enjoy reading your posts
@br guess im not the only one who got a nerve or two exposed and/or struck

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 10:44:30 B. R.

My god , Cornlia, you and your “oh, my pristine, use your imagination, sensual, feel the skin way of making love that I think is superior to to someone looking at porn …oh, I make love not sex…”

What, do you turn out the lights ? have sex in prudy darkness?What in gods name makes you think your aproach is in anyway superior to someone who looks at porn

You do know a big part about sex is visual…and the visual stimulus in porn can be very healthy

Your little implications about how you think porn involved in sex is inferior to your correct way and then denials….you take your petty judgements and keep them for you…you have no moral authority to judge whether porn is good or bad for sex or inferior to your pristine , correct idea of what is right..you are welcome to your opinion and I have an opinion about your opinion

Anyone who really knows anything about sex knows that there are as many differant aproaches and atitudes towards sex as their are people in this world, and respecting everyone’s right to find their own sexuality ought to be the goal

I pity uptight prudy attitudes in people about sex…lighten up

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 10:45:57 B. R.

V8, Im not ranting, Im laughing

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 13:23:10 Cornlia

LOL !

WTH !

B.R. stop your wishful thinking and READ what people write !

We have another clairvoyant poster who sees through things nobody wrote.

Don’t compare yourself with Kwamla, he is a more subtle writer and thinker, that’s why I don’t mind interact with him. I just wih he wasn’t bringing this down to a personal level when we could discuss ideas. That’s why I talked about “cunning manipulation” in his case.

You are a straight liar. You invent things out of the blue. Anyone who *really* reads my posts knows what you are describing is not what i said AT ALL.

As far as my sexual life goes, I am doing very fine in the dark or in the sun, thank you. I don’t need porn to masturbate, my imagination suffices. And yes, I make love, I don’t “have sex”. It’s not mere consumption to me (and not only me !).

What’s all this BS with me positing as “superior “????

I NEVER said that :

What is really funny is , ” oh the porn industry is so degrading to women, it is so exploitive.Im waiting for the right man to come along…”

but you DARE put it in quotation marks !!!!!

And don’t you dare “imagine” (in that domain you do have imagination) that my marriage is that creepy description of what you imagine of a loving and sane relationship, idiot !

What do you really think is more dangerous to women, those of you screaming about how bad the porn industry is for women?….hooking up with a man is much more risky and dangerous than the porn industry for a woman…a women is much more likley to be beat , abused and even murdered because of in house domestical violence than any porn industry…you all dont know anything about life…all you can do is rage against capatilism and explotation of women, but you cant even look at the truth

What you wrote here is kinda scary as to your own vision of things, I must say.

And you were not “laughing” at all.

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 13:28:04 Herneith

I had sex last Thursday, I went shopping!!!

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 13:52:28 Omnipresent

BR:

Omnipresent, your assumtion is if you have a steady partner and you are able to talk and experiment, which porn would still be a great guide to look at and talk between the partner and decide if its worth experimenting…but , that is only if you have a steady partner, you are leaving all the people who want to have sex, have only had a few experiances and arnt with someone steady at the moment, etc out in the dust…porn is still one great way to discover…Im talking about a site that gives you lots of catagories and differant choices

Personally, I think to gain all your experience in this way builds up a lot of false hope and expectations. Its fine if you are at a loose end and fancy a solitary w@nk OR you and the missus want to add a bit of titillation to your sex life but as a learning guide, an introduction WITHOUT some sort of responsible guidance – nah.

Porn is just a large compliment to sex education, self discovery, masterbation, couples who want to look at things together to discuss if that is something they want to try, a way to demonstrate to a partner what you like

I hear you and agree to a certain extent. Just don’t think this is a good introduction to the sexual experience.

I thought this was going to be an enlightening discusion , where we might even exchange great links to check out, talk about new stars we can check out ( ladies there are a lot of men you can lock into as your favorites and pass the news around , which ones have the technique you like), talk about sex, techniques,

Go ahead if you wish – I certainly am not stopping you. It sounds like you have much to share…

Instead it turns into lambasting sexual objectivity and exploitation,the evils of capitalism,pointing out the one nut case that used porn (he probably drank milk too, like all of us did) calling me “dirk diggler”….

Who is criticising your ‘interest’ in sex – not me mate. Your the one ‘lambasting’ others for their sexual objectivity because it doesn’t match with yours. I dont have to come on here talking about ‘style’ and ‘technique ‘ to prove to you that I aint a prude, think what the f*ck you like. I dont go down the pub and brag about what i’ve done or what i’m gonna do either but doesnt mean I dont appreciate hearing, seeing others discuss or re-enact things.Anyway, my motto has always been that those that talk, probably dont do.

The Dirk Diggler ‘dig’ was a joke – I apologise, I thought a broad minded individual such as yourself would get it – clearly not.

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 14:10:09 Cornlia

Herneith, I like that type of humour.

I know I’m a little too serious (some find it boring). My kids tells me I take things to seriously (they think I’m too concerned about racism and people are idiots so why should I care to change things).

My point is simply vocabulary, I like words and I like to understand what they mean, especially when compared from one language/culture to another.

What you did Thursday in French would be “baiser”. Which originally meant “kiss” and kids burst out laughing when reading old French in French class because they see it as very “daring” for the time ! “Me permettez-vous madame de vous baiser…”

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 14:41:33 v8driver

The other thing thing about porn not to beat a dead … horse is well i keep harping about mainstream media remember that song “habemos mas influencia sobre sus ninos” lennon was more popular than christ etc ad nauseum because i think there is a real physiological reaction to viewing stuff whether its real or on a screen similar to persistence of vision that gets laid down into neural long term memory… ypur mileage may vary

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 16:40:16 Omnipresent

Legion

It was clear you were having some light hearted fun with the ‘Diggler’ remark

Thanks. Somehow the term ‘nut case’ felt more personal and seems to suggest that B.R didnt take it so lightly. Lesson learned!

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 17:24:05 Sharon

It’s been awhile since I’ve commented (commented as Green before). Porn is one of my latest and new adventures. I feel guilty sometimes after watching but if I have to pick a kind of porn I like most it will be the ones I read.

What about music porn like this one

Talk about degrading

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 17:32:41 Sharon

@Peanut,

Porn, erotic books and really does not help when you want to only have sex with someone you love who love you just as much.

I agree with one of the comments that porn is not healthy to an unhealthy mind.

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 17:33:17 B. R.

Ha, Omnipresent, you think I got insulted by you calling me “Diggler”?

You think its me offended that you all dont think like me? What happened here is a bunch of people who are saying oh they arnt judging me, but, they make a statement about porn and out of the side of their mouths comes a little put down or judgement about porn…somehow, then, capitalism, racism, sexism and exploitation of women all start coming out on the table and some kind of judgements about it….who gets to make the rules about whether porn is bad or even not the best way to go about finding out about sex? What makes you think you are the person who can define the line when porn is bad or where you have to draw the line about it…that is your problem too, Cornlia, you try to make it out like you arent judging but you send so many judgements and implications that you are doing it the right way…and there is something wrong with it and then bring in the capatalism crap…that is why I ran the commie pinko taunt, you all deserve it…lets face it, concervative Republicans are the worst because the rant the most and then get caught doing it…but, this notion its some kind of capatalist racist sexist evil….just makes me want to flee this kind of thinking…no, there is a judgement going out of the sides of peoples mouths

Really , Im laughing at this discusion….our Jewish, Chritian, Muslim religions have ruined us from the start on this, we are all damaged goods about what sex is and how it fits in our lives….How can you make a statement about what is the right way to deal with our young kids ? Young kids, especialy males, have seen porn for the most part before they reach adolescance, its not whether they should or shouldnt, they did , do it and will do it…and , they dont want to be taught sex by their parents…we can only try to get the education into them and hope something sticks, but, they are out there learning for themselves, and we have all been messed up anyway….yeah, at least we have to get them into latex and society needs to be ringing that loudly, but, they are already seeing porn, that isnt an “ought to or not ought to”, its a fact…and I saw it like Abagond sais, when I was younger , sneaked my fathers copy of Tropic of Cancer and left smudge mark finger prints all over the pages that were hot…I found porn at my neighbors house, and , I wish I had seen porn from a very early age…Ive always had a curiosity about sex…I always had a curiosity and wish I could have had the internet like now at 7 or 8

Yes, I feel its healthy, and that is why we are going to have conflict about it, because a lot of implications are that porn is not healthy

I mean, I would be willing to bet that in the percentages of men who beat their women, much fewer of them are porn sex addicts and a lot more of them are abusers of alcohol…funny we get all the expoited women statements but as I said, the real problems that women face in society have nothing to do with porn…but people super impose their judgements

The porn industry is much more aware of sexualy transmitted diseases and have regular testing and if someone has it in the industry, it causes ramifications and closes down sets…it sure doesnt work that way in the dating world, even prostitutes are more aware of how to protect themselves than the average person

the truth is, I know that women love sex as much as men, have a capacity to desire and perform as much as any men, and, can perform in porn , be in control of their business dealing with it and not be exploited…as well as get pleasure from watching it

Thats it, Herneith, what ever gets you off, I dont judge anyone if shopping is their orgasm….even chocolate releases endophins like sex

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 17:43:42 B. R.

Why do you feel guilty, Sharon ? The most special thing I can say is that, closing on three decades with one woman, my sexual passion is as extreme as the day I met her…and that was like a lightening bolt…and I do everything i can in my life to keep my passion for sex as high and on point as possible, and porn is a constant contributor to keeping my sexual passion moving and flowing…besides using it as forplay for myself, I mean what woman doesnt understand forplay? I also use it if im on the road and want to stay faithful

Porn can word wonderful with love…uptight false morals about sex is what puts funny feelings into it…we need to re educate ourselves about sex and sensuality and I need huge amounts of both in my life

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 17:59:30 v8driver

correction, “Stop” janes addiction:

“Señores y señoras
Nosotros tenemos mas influencia
Con sus hijos, que tu tienes
Pero los queremos

Creado y areglado
De Los Angeles
Juana’s adiccion”

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 18:44:14 Cornlia

Peanut, dancing used to give me more pleasure, when I used to dance more. (My husband is not really into dancing, unfortunately for me, who used to dance every weekend).

Also, Peanut, it’s also probably better for you not to give “sex” too much importance if you are waiting… Otherwise it might be “a little frustrating”…

B.R. can you stop whining please. Nobody is “against” you, nobody says most of the things you “hear”, we all have our vision of things, you have yours. We have all read your take on the topic, you have read ours, that is the point of this post, no ?

And I would still be interesting in knowing more about the industry if someone knows. Not bet or approximation, but real info. It is someone we are literally surrounded with, that our kids encounter when they are not ready for it and it would be good if we knew actually knew where it’s coming from.

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 19:02:28 Herneith

This post is comical. It should have been subtitled “The Confessions of a One Armed Bandit’.

Doubtless there are other things I do not even know about.

You do not want to know! Keep what little innocence you still possess!

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 19:45:11 v8driver

@peanut i was so freaked out i guess i was like 8 years old? i outed him and he hated me and i never talked to him again

@herneith my exes went shopping after i had sex with them, on their own, guess that was a double up, but anyway…

this gay dude i guess hes an aquaintance, told me you know, because i turned to sex in its on and offline variations due to a sense of abandonment and dichotomy also known in the dsm iv as ‘borderline personality disorder’, of which i stand accused, and the girls they were mean to me too and he said you’re doin it for the wrong reason

innocense? as if.

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 19:54:19 v8driver

ah crap i was in 5th grade now i gotta count i was like 10 i reckon same age as my oldest michael

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 20:08:42 v8driver

and i’m not saying anything’s wrong with giving your gf some money so she can get her hair and nails done and buy some clothes it is as should be

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 23:03:15 Matari

Peanut said:

Honestly though, I think that there are definitely things in this world that are better than porn and sex. things that can give you an even better “high,” than an orgasm.

and i’m not talking about drugs either.

********

OF COURSE YOU’RE CORRECT!!!!
No doubt!

For me:

1. It’s a genuine one on one soul/spirit (inter)connection, whether it lasts for a nanosecond, or an entire lifetime… lol

2. The miracles (LOVE) that the Universe manifests …

3. Another is soul moving MUSIC, the lyrics, rhythm, beat, time, instrumentation, voice, message, sound reproduction, resonant frequency, etc …..

Sex is merely the icing on the cake. It is NOT the cake! It was never meant to be the cake, imo.

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on Sat May 4th 2013 at 23:08:28 Omnipresent

BR: Ha, Omnipresent, you think I got insulted by you calling me “Diggler”?

Well, I wouldnt like to think how you would act if you did feel genuinely insulted then!!!!

You think its me offended that you all dont think like me?

I didnt agree with something you said. Thats all. Whats not to like – I dont even know you.

…..but, they make a statement about porn and out of the side of their mouths comes a little put down or judgement about porn…

Wow – I didnt realise you felt so strongly about pornography, so much so that people who do not feel the way YOU do, are judged and labelled by your good self – pot,kettle and black spring to mind! It’s not for everyone – thats life. For me, it has a purpose, just not in the way you seem to be trying to insist it should.

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 00:28:35 Kwamla

Well stated Matari!

When you strip out sex form its natural occurring place in human relations. When you promote and exploit it as Porn you get an addictive drug.

The same approach is taken in the food industry which strips out natural occurring sugars in foodstuffs to produce Fructose. The addictive sweetener found in many American processed foods.

There are many more artificially created examples…

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 00:57:47 Herneith

@Matari:

Killjoy, you have obviously never gone on a shopping spree.

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 01:55:32 Vagabond Abscond

@Peanut I used to read those stories on Experience Project all the time when I first got my own computer. It just leaves you so “empty.”

Didn’t Abagond leave his wife a long time ago? I thought he and his sons went away from her because she was becoming abusive. I was actually wondering if the black guy in the photo above is one of his sons at a prom or something. It’s funny how the two girls are super thrilled and the two guys look like they want to leave… typical high school!

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 02:17:54 Mbeti

Very attractive topic, you’ll obviously get a lot of comments since anything discussion involving this primal drive is always popular.

As I expected the females disapprove ,and I think not so much a concern for their exploitation as a concern for a dilution of their monopoly and probably the primary motive for the industry of pornography – if it wasn’t so hard to get then why buy pictures of it??

Also Another factor is it shows the faults of most females – most females don’t have great figures ,photogenic body proportions and exceptionally attractive faces to .
Probably only 10 to 30 percent of the average population.

As to White supremacy /racism (a wonder when and if there will ever be a more accurate terminology for this phenomena – as race is a false concept and whiteness is a form of albinism)

I speculate why a certain period of english history gave us americans who inherited such shame and repression in regards to the most primary biological process of our existence.

Of we africans involuntarily “inherited” the culture of our oppressors and now think of it as our own.

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 03:32:16 sondis

Mbeti:

Interesting….very interesting indeed.

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 03:51:54 ThatDeborahGirl

I think everyone should be required to read, “Make Love, Not Porn”. It’s a great website. Porn vs. Real World is a great read. http://makelovenotporn.com/

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 07:57:09 B. R.

you all are a bunch of taliban commie pinko tea bag repressors, im going to watch the oppressors www dot porn hub dot com,get some baby wipes and irrigate my prostrate gland,helping to fight cancer

im so glad you all are having such rich intimite trancsending one on one meaningful moments with someone else in this moment in life,ill be having a rich intimite moment with myself

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 08:10:25 B. R.

havnt any of you had some jaw dropping ,rock your soul to the bone, never will forget for the rest of my life pure unadaltered sex with someone you just met and will never see again,, for just sex sake, no love or intimicy involved at all?

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 08:22:00 sondis

B.R.

Not knocking your style but not everyone, likes the idea of having sex with a total stranger.

Sex for me is great, when having it with someone i am deeply, invested.

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 09:11:32 Matari

-Kwamla

Yes. Superficial sex without substance is cheap, hollow and empty – exactly like PROCESSED food. The consequences of such are dire – for some souls. It’s not healthy in all sorts of ways, ways that can have life long repercussions!

-Herneith

: )
No shopping sprees??
I wish that were true!! lol

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 13:03:55 B. R.

Sondis, absolutly, each person has to define what is best for them..beleive me, I prefer a one on one relationship, faithful , with intimicy over anything..being relaxed and feeling free with a partner who knows you is one of the best ways to immerse oneself into sex

but , Id be a liar if I didnt admit , I had some one night stands or breif encounters that absolutly rocked my world and marked me for life

I love women who have experiance, and women in porn show uninhibited behavior, they show great “dick knowledge (hades, balls knowledge too)”, heck, a guy could be having sex with unexperianced women and hook up with an experianced woman for one night and he will learn some things he might not know could happen to him…and, men can learn with porn that maybe they have to last a little longer than a minute, and might see some tricks, positions and techniques (kudos to you for knowing oraly how to satisty a woman) that might excite their mate

Society looks down on women who participate in porn or prostitution or who even show that they have the same desires to have many sex partners like men…they are “naughty”, it plays out in many ways including how women dress..in Brazil, who Im not saying is more advanced in sexual attitudes, is much more advanced in sensuality, allowing women to dress incredibly sexy and wear the skimpiest bikinis ever on the beach…yet, in some beaches in Florida, the string bikini was banned in favor of diapors..that is the same mentality that would look down on porn (I dont know the general attitude about porn in Brazil, only that you can access it with no problem like in Cuba, China or North Korea),,there is a societal flow that has the sub concious message that porn is bad, women that have sexual apitites like some men are loose and moraly wrong and that dressing a certain way is not what nice girls do

Actualy, Matari, I like your “various moments of life” concept you aluded to, I try to make it “sex drugs jazz samba beach food (not nescasarily in that order)”, I try to string together a trail of the hedonous life…and stick to that rightous path as long as I can

But, bottom line, I know I need to irrigate that prostrate gland, doctors orders…

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 14:12:09 B. R.

“Wow – I didnt realise you felt so strongly about pornography, so much so that people who do not feel the way YOU do, are judged and labelled by your good self – pot,kettle and black spring to mind! It’s not for everyone – thats life. For me, it has a purpose, just not in the way you seem to be trying to insist it should.”

Omnipresent, you got this back @ss words, I absolutly support porn is not for everyone, and, I dont shoot out of the side of my mouth , that people who dont like porn , have something a little off…but, the general gist of the commenters is that, they personaly dont use porn and might not have something against me using it but they imply its a little unhealthy, has capatalist, racist and sexist undertones…I mean really that is what is coming across here

even though you arnt saying its bad, and dont judge me for using it, you still have an idea in your mind where it is right and wrong..I answered many things you said by saying young males are going to know about porn early on no matter what…there is no “ought to or ought not to , or ought to have sex education first…” they are getting porn and always have and always will….hopefully they will get a sex education too…but from who? Are parents really sexually educated, or are they hung up on the repressed religous dogmas in our society or dont know anything themselves and cant teach…as well as, knowing from raising a kid, they really dont want to hear it from their parents…you can only try to drill in certain things like the dangers of disease and pregnancy…even still, my brother had a daughter who got pregnant and she had to have an abortion..and I know he schooled her…

And, I pointed out, to the people talking about explotation , and sexism, that women face much more violence and abuse in just plain old relationships with men, much more than the porn industry

So, excuse me, but , I dont perceive you have the exact bead and expertice on the subject…my main point is dont judge anyone for using or performing pornography, if they arnt hurting anyone and , if participating,be adult and have mutual adult concentual sex…people should be free to discover themselves sexualy absolutly any way that is best for them, if they dont hurt anyone and have mutual concenting sex among adults…with no judgement on how young people self discover their sexuality, whether with porn or their imagination…Im sure you agree with most of that

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 16:27:05 Omnipresent

BR:

Know what, I started to write a response to your recent post and then I saw this:

So, excuse me, but , I dont perceive you have the exact bead and expertice on the subject…

LMAO. I’m sure that you ‘think ‘you are the dogs knackers in the sack and maybe you have gained extensive ‘expertise’ from watching alll those porn films – fairplay to you.

Re your statement, you are excused…excused on the basis that you know nothing about me to ‘qualify’ this statement and also, I couldnt care less what you think I do or dont know.

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 16:28:19 Cornlia

I’m glad to see I and Kwamla agree on something which I think is very much a mirror of what white supremacy does. (I do appreciate your attempt to understand this world, Kwamla, even if we diverge on things)

And Mbeti I like your wit and ideas, they are the kind that make me re-think how I view things and “adapt”.

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 17:52:38 Kwamla

Cornila it would be dichotomous thinking to assume if we did not agree in one area then we must also disagree in all others. And of course the reverse – agree – also holds…

I too appreciate your attempts to understand the world from your perspective I just don’t have to agree with it! But then that is your world perspective..I too have mine…!

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 20:23:03 B. R.

“LMAO. I’m sure that you ‘think ‘you are the dogs knackers in the sack and maybe you have gained extensive ‘expertise’ from watching alll those porn films – fairplay to you”

Talking about whether porn is unhealthy or not, hardly equates bragging about being the dogs knackers in the sack

I guess you just dont get it, Omnipresent, it never was about bragging what Ive done in the sack, its about defending from repressive, moralistic judgements that are ready to imply that watching porn is really not that healthy, or some kind of capatalistic , racist , sexist overtoned nuance that even if they dont condemn I do it, it still may not be so healthy for society

fuk that , Omnipresnt, I watch porn on a regular basis, and anyone who wants to sluff that off as somewhat unhealthy, or not normal, or buying onto a racist capitalistic sexist agenda, need to be addressed and debated about it, and taunted and ridiculed if they are really making ignorant statements about it…now you may be trying to tell me that you dont feel that way, but, you sure are missing the sh!t out of the points im trying to make and putting it back on me like Im trying to judge people for not liking or wanting to watch porn…whitch nothing could be farther from the truth

and Im saying porn has a healthy role in society

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 20:35:08 B. R.

I mean, gees, Omnipresent, if you even halfway agree with me about porn not being that bad, you would join in ridiculing this notion that porn is somehow capatalistic, sexist and racist ( which doesnt exclude that there are examples of that in the industry, but that hardly defines what porn is and represents to society, selling milk is capatlistic also)

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 21:02:31 Omnipresent

BR:

Talking about whether porn is unhealthy or not, hardly equates bragging about being the dogs knackers in the sack

True. But equally just because others dont appreciate porn in the same way that you do or question its role in society does not make them racist, capitalist, sexist, repressed or whatever other judgment or label you want to put on them.

its about defending from repressive, moralistic judgements that are ready to imply that watching porn is really not that healthy, or some kind of capatalistic , racist , sexist overtoned nuance that even if they dont condemn I do it, it still may not be so healthy for society

&

now you may be trying to tell me that you dont feel that way, but, you sure are missing the sh!t out of the points im trying to make and putting it back on me like Im trying to judge people for not liking or wanting to watch porn…whitch nothing could be farther from the truth

You seem like you are your own man – but do yourself a favour and let others be individuals too. As the topic of this blog suggests, you are entitled to express your appreciation for porn and the pleasure you get from this but equally people can also state their own feelings, in opposition to yours.

My ‘mistake’ was entering in to banter with you which in hindsight I shouldnt have done as I am an infrequent, unknown commenter – my bad.

This dialogue has gone on far too long considering I disagreed with a small part of your initial comment. It is also detracting from the actual topic so, I shall stop any further discussion with you about this – I dont think I realised it was such an emotive issue for you.

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on Sun May 5th 2013 at 21:28:59 Cornlia

B.R. said to Omnipresent

you would join in ridiculing this notion that porn is somehow capatalistic, sexist and racist ( which doesnt exclude that there are examples of that in the industry, but that hardly defines what porn is and represents to society, selling milk is capatlistic also)

Like everything else in this capitalistic world (if you hadn’t noticed, B.R., I have news for you, this world is capitalistic) it is. Capitalism, sexism and racism as we know them today (with all their national/cultural variations) are linked and have been since the birth of the “nation states”.

As such, “Capitalism” (Corporate Firms and capitalists) try to make money with anything and everything, including people’s sexuality. Some like it because they are provided with something they take as it is (without trying to analyze it -your case-), others don’t, and others view it from afar (it’s my case) and just see that it is an element of the world of consumption that capitalism has created.

It is interesting to read you on porn after having read you on other topics. It brings a new light to your take on things. Nothing negative in that, just interesting, especially in relation to the way you perceive African cultures. Because most African cultures until very recently at least had no affinity with “porn” (I am not talking about “sexuality”, “sexual practices”, “sexual rituals” and all kinds of things related to sexuality that had a traditional basis). The “market” has brought porn there in a rather aggressive manner (see my post on that above).

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 02:19:45 Cornlia

Thank you Bulanik. Very interesting comments.

I hope an African poster will enlighten us even more on this, as I hoped for earlier. I am with you on your take in all three of your comments. I liked the “porn list” in the first… The absence of Asian men is revealing as to how stereotypes greatly influence that sex industry…

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 03:26:03 phoebeprunelle

Porn seems really, really one-dimensional.

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 07:45:12 v8driver

@bulanik I think Mbeti was referring to the Victorian period and the colonization of Africa

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 12:40:05 Cornlia

Bulanik, if you have a little time, can you tell me what it is that you don’t agree on that I said ? Thanks

Also, just curious and you don’t have to say it if you don’t want people to know: what “official” or personal studies/research have you done ?

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 14:01:10 louiejacuzzi

Haven’t read all the comments, but my personal take on porn is that it’s aspirational. It’s a fantasy that 90+% of men will never get to experience in real life. You(a man in general) will not get to experience a woman who looks like that or behaves like that-especially not in such scenarios. You’re not going to ever get to bend your attractive female superior over her desk any time soon. You’re not going to be seduced by friends attractive(for her age) mother. Going further with the same thought process, you, average man, are no porn stud. You’re not well endowed like that. You’re not physically ripped like that. You don’t have that kind of virility or gdlk stamina, or orgasmic control. So the public is being sold a series of essentially unattainable fantasies. And based on a handful of recent studies, it’s affecting peoples ability to deal in sexual reality. Perhaps people have a preference for the fantasy.

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 14:21:48 Cornlia

Nice “refreshing” comment louiejacuzzi. (Refreshin name too !)

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 14:28:00 B. R.

Its not surprisign to me, Bulanik, that you fall right into the uptight catagorie about porn, with your own uptight rationalisations smothered all over the truth

First off, and , it will take me several posts to answer all your wrong points, but, right off, what in the world are you holding up porn to be some kind of truth just like life representation? Movies dont try to tell stories just like life!!! For gods sake, what is your problem that you cant see that little obvious reality? you go on a huge list of things that arnt suposed to be reality, but, movies , tv and the stage are all smoke and mirrors and make beleive and they cast people to look as beautiful as possible…or as ugly as possible if that is what the role calls for

What a foolish point on your part, its not even worth trying to argue with a mentality like that, because your mind is made up

When in gods name did I ever mention that a women in brazil in a fio dental cant be a feminist or lesbian…where did you get that? For sure they wont be feminists who are uptight about women being in string bikinis…its a way of life down there, they just arnt hung up on it…have you ever worn a fio dental?Where is your head at with that kind of statement about what a women in a fio dental in Brazil could or couldnt be….

Yeah, you arnt kidding, Cornlia, I bump heads with people like you and Bulanik on here and find out what kind of hangups you all really have…why am I not surprised?i mean what the fuk has anything I have said about Africa got to do with what I am saying about porn? and you seem to be twisting my arguments all over the place….

Ill answer more of the really repressed statements I see here during the day…
as I have time to get to them…you uptight prudes..dont you try to make it like Im putting you down for not liking porn, that is total BS

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 14:33:11 B. R.

Bulanik, if your uptight @ss would do a little real research, you will find there are plenty of japanese men in porn

http://www.pornhub.com/video/search?search=japanese+man

there is page after page on there, many of them feature japanese men

do you need me to find black men in porn for you? ones who own their business and produce the films?

this site is also really great if you check out catagories and see how much selction you can find…do you need me to find you ones where the woman is in charge , where it is slow and sensual?

you make these statements and they are totaly false…

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 14:37:19 B. R.

You might as well be just another person who thinks of it in dirty terms, like “smut”, porn sounds like a dirty word in itself

just chalk yourself as just another person at the mercy of the repressed jewish, christian, muslim values we all suffer in and have been raised up in, we are all damaged goods

If people cant start to perceive that, you will just suffer in your little corners of uptight judgemental darkness…I want no part of that…it stinks like repression

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 14:44:52 B. R.

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=223947355

here is a direct porn video talking about featuring a japanese man and american woman….

why do people just tell blatent sensacionalist race baiting lies to make their points?

people ought to do the real research before they just come in making false statements like it is the truth

dealing with this kind of mentality is a boring waste of my time

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 14:48:30 Cornlia

LOL

i mean what the fuk has anything I have said about Africa got to do with what I am saying about porn? and you seem to be twisting my arguments all over the place….

Hahaha. It has A LOT to do with it, B.R. a lot !

Oh now I am the one twisting arguments ! You are funny as hell !

You know, B.R., people can read and check for themselves. You don’t have to try and induce them into thinking things about other posters.

We got your point B.R., you enjoy porn, you think it’s not commercial, it’s not racist, and not sexist.

Some of us (seems like most of us do) don’t think so.

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 14:53:28 B. R.

“Personally, I see nothing wrong in believing in human rights for female humans, being against rape and sexual exploitation, etc”

you are saying porn is rape? and sexual exploitation? you do know women own their own production companies in porn…i rarly see porn videos that out right depict rape…why are you so wrong about this?Why are so uptight about this?

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 14:56:50 phoebeprunelle

Hmmm Bulanik,

you seem to have an ongoing fan! 🙂

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 14:57:59 B. R.

“Further, I disagree that males should flush the prostate gland on a daily basis.”

Doctors are saying that its good for prostrate cancer if you have an orgasm once a day and you are holding up a very few men in the world who have reached a tantric state, and I mean a very few men in this world, and you think this is an argument against a healthy tip about helping men deal with preventing prostrate cancer?

WTF? you really mean that?Foolishness is very hard to deal with

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 15:08:55 B. R.

“Hahaha. It has A LOT to do with it, B.R. a lot !

Oh now I am the one twisting arguments ! You are funny as hell !”

oh, well just give me an example of what i said about Africa, Cornlia? that has to do with what Im saying about porn….please enlighten me

where did I ever say its not good to not like porn? WHERE?

I dont care what you think about me, if you think its ok or not, I dont like your atitude in general about porn…implicating there is something wrong with it

there are people who arrive at the sexual beings they are through a variety of reasons and experiances, and sometimes they are not main stream, way more far out than my aproaches, and thank god they can find something on the internet that will be in line with their sexual preferances and can help them fullfill their sexual fantacies and desires and be able to see other people involved in things they think about or actualy do

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 15:13:23 B. R.

People on here have no idea what porn is

http://www.pornhub.com/categories

look at all the catagories, there is huge selction…thanks to capatalism, porn has graduated from back room smut to lots and lots of possible choices to find your niche

only uptight prudes are repressed about porn being capatlistic, racist, sexist

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 15:18:37 Cornlia

My poor B.R., I don’t think anything about you, I don’t know you. I just comment on the topics that Abagond proposes.

I actually commented before you, expressed what the topics made me think of, PERIOD.

It had nothing to do with *you*, since you hadn’t commented yet.

There is “something wrong with porn” only in the sense that, IMHO (In My Humble Opinion) it reflects a side of the world we live in. That is why I mentioned capitalism (it’s a big enterprise), racism (it does play on stereotypes) and sexism (do I really need to explain that one ? Others pointed to several aspects of that).

There is nothing wrong with you or others making use of it, I said it several times: I don’t CARE.

But I care about the people who may suffer as “elements” (so-called in the capitalistic neo-liberal nova lingua: “human resources”) of the industry.

As for the “example about Africa”, I’ll have to look for posts from you on various topics and I don’t have time for it now, as I am preparing for a continental moving…

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 15:20:51 Cornlia

Correction: I commented once before you, once 29 minutes after you, but I hadn’t seen your post, as I had prepared my second post offline before posting it.

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 15:23:30 Cornlia

Okay, I actually didn’t check what “uptight” really meant before now.

“Anxious or angry in a tense and overly controlled way”

I can officially confirm that I do not suffer from that.

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 17:36:12 Cornlia

LOL, Bulanik. I was about to post this but I stopped to look at the last posts first, and you mentioned the same thing:

You know B.R., you like to take care of your prostate so that it doesn’t get cancer.

I like to take care of my brain. This is the thing I enjoy most doing.

Actually, I do believe that maintaining one’s brain in good shape has an impact on a lot of things, including physical capacities and sexuality (female orgasms happen a lot up there).

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 17:42:27 satanforce

porn is only entertainment. Not for learning

LOLWUT?

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on Mon May 6th 2013 at 23:05:41 Cornlia

^^ told you there would be dichotomy… Ha ha ! This is a fun thread…

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 02:36:14 Mbeti

@Bulanik

“Mbeti, perhaps you believe that all women have all the power in matters of sex.”
no just maybe more in this area the way men have more in the area of violence and aggression.

“I doubt if we do to the extent you seem to say. You also seem to attribute that disapproval because some women feel insecure about their physical imperfections. ”

It’s not women’s feelings of insecurity its my objective/subjective perceptions of the quantity of attractive females in a population.

“That affects men, too, surely? Sexual confidence afflicts men immensely.”
Agreed

“However, I believe you may seriously underestimate the very, very common experience of rape and sexual violence that many women and girls justifiably fear, and naturally wish to avoid.”

No I don’t but ,I respectfully appreciate you on behalf of all women reminding me of this sad and unfortunate condition that many women are forced to live with.

Also while it may come as a surprise to you and some other women,men and boys have to live with this same fear and in this case it can be even more traumatic if that’s possible and the only alleged common denominator is the aggressor is usually always a male.

“Some may feel demeaned by pornography if it consistently reinforces sexual myths; like always showing us as readily available and desiring to engage in sex at ANY time, with ANY man, on men’s terms, always, always, always responding positively to any advances men make. This is not how real life works, or how real human beings behave.”

Again I agree

“Not all women want to be dominated, humiliated, and coerced into sex all the time, with anyone! but isn’t this precisely this EROTICIZATION of domination, coercion and humiliation that underpins and reinforces the sexual and cultural attitudes that are complicit in rape and sexual harassment?”

What healthy normal female would??
Most of the porn I’ve watched and 99 percent of the pictures are consensual and voluntary.
By the way ,some women who ARE very physically attractive ,should want to show off and or profit from it??

The domination,humiliation and coercion to the extent it exist ,comes from a particular population of males (not exclusively but primarily) – and any regular of this blog or even the internet in general or the world in particular know who they are – our usual suspects that ,in the early days of visiting this blog ,came here regularly to – dominate humiliate and coerce.

“Fearing violence or exploitation, and standing up for one’s dignity and humanity is certainly not the same thing as being anti-sex.
They are NOT the same thing.”

When did I say they where??

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 02:51:57 Mbeti

@Bulanik
“This is a complicated subject, and I am far from qualified to give a comprehensive overview, only a limited opinion.”

concur ,the same applies to me, we are not being paid nor are we in any professional capacity ,just humans freely and hopfully trying to intelligently discuss topics that interest us:-)

“And what are those pre-suppositions about African sex and sexuality?
That Africans throughout the continent, no matter what their many, many cultures, were somehow more “in touch” and “more free”, and all that.”

I don’t know how in touch some of them where but they damn sure where more FREE – what part of slavery did you miss?

“That idea smells stale and bad, because it smacks of only primitive and brutish, no intellect and all that nonsensical stereotyping of black people.”

really ,I didn’t know ideas had smells – (laughing to myself)
and as to primitive and brutish no intellect – again I blame the usual suspects.

as to the rest of you comentary I must say this,you appear to me to be a very inteligent and passionate person and your views on this issue seem well researched as well.

However toward the end of this second comment directed at me ,you appeared to me to be slightly pedantic and long worded ,reminding me of your nemisis the dreaded B.R.,maybe its part of the reason you two are so often in argumentus…

Speaking of B.R.
dude ,I just can’t express how much your comments here ofend and annoy me ,as well as your long worded pandantic rants which I usually ignore.

However although this is an informal forum of discussion ,serious learning and discussion still takes place – and I’ve learned thus far not to revel in the beratment of alleged aversaries ,and rather recognize that we are all flawed and are only doing the best we can even if it hurts displeases or angers others.

I would sincely urge you not to appear to be so abusive to your fellow commentors,as is I will continue to ignore and dismiss most of you comments ,untill you to contribute something I value.

BTW visited http://www.pornhub.com/categories and some of the categories are redundant and there is plenty of The domination,humiliation and coercion Bulanik mentioned ,never mine the “white blonde female is default for almost every category,which I always find annoying.

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 03:14:50 Mbeti

Charmaine Sinclair sure is pretty ,I still got some good nude pictures of her.

And there are many comments I’ve yet to read,on this topic which is one of the reasons I value brevity ,even some my favorite highly respected authors are most informative with two or three sentences.

This does not mean that every one should nor will they consider being briefer and more concise.

@ v8, you believe Mbeti was referring to the Victorian period?
Perhaps he was. I hope Mbeti can clarify.

Yep I was ,and Bulanik did a through job of describing that era I think,maybe ,cause I’m not a history or anthropology student nor do I have any degrees in any subject ,and while its interesting sometimes ,it can also be boring and dull.
Does not mean I’d rather be having sex,just another more interesting and/or important subject.

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 03:58:34 Mbeti

@louiejacuzzi

Haven’t read all the comments,
me neither

but my personal take on porn is that it’s aspirational. It’s a fantasy that 90+% of men will never get to experience in real life.

It may be more like 60 or 40 ,after factoring in the men that are not interested and the handicapped.

You(a man in general) will not get to experience a woman who looks like that or behaves like that-especially not in such scenarios.

Actually I have had access to a fair share of very attractive full figured females ready and willing to do stuff and still do if I’m of mind.

You’re not going to ever get to bend your attractive female superior over her desk any time soon. You’re not going to be seduced by friends attractive(for her age) mother.

95 percent of the time those are b.s. inapproaite fantasies anyway

Going further with the same thought process, you, average man, are no porn stud. You’re not well endowed like that. You’re not physically ripped like that.

speak for yourself and about 60 percent cause I see quite a few strong built dudes out there ,they just do’t care exclusively about sex 24/7 like a retard.

You don’t have that kind of virility or gdlk stamina, or orgasmic control.

again maybe maybe not.
So the public is being sold a series of essentially unattainable fantasies.

So the scene where a dude is on a couch or bed in a house or apartment alone with a female is not realistic???

and I just remembered that not all the porn films I’ve seen have had attractive(to me) females or males.

but two adults getting together alone(ignore the cameraman and film crew)
is not real or plausible ,please nah its that other stuff thats unrealistic and proably illegal immoral and inapproaite too ,but then when did that ever stop some guys and a few girls.

And based on a handful of recent studies, it’s affecting peoples ability to deal in sexual reality. Perhaps people have a preference for the fantasy.

Some people sir some

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 10:51:36 B. R.

“It’s not such a big deal. Why not try it, it’s not too late.
Perhaps because you don’t and have never touched this deep, “near-cosmic” (lol) pleasure in your life yet, you just don’t get it, and you have truly missed out. Males cannot attain the pleasure levels of highly orgasmic women, but so what. It’s good for the body and mind, and a wonderful part of life. Sure, standard for some folks, but perfectly attainable for anyone.”

didnt you also mention”vanilla” sex as a referance to me…you dont want to compare notes about sex, Bulanik, you will be embarrassed…I have lived a very rich and varied sex life, based on mutual pleasure and multiple orgasms by both partners , and my longer maraidge started at 36, I had a very full sex life before that…you are the one making the personal referances, I just smell stiff coming from you

You know, people go to movies and see people get shot 10 times and still fighting, they see people fall great distances and get up…if you cant use the same aproach to watching porn, that is just your repressed superimposition of what porn is supposed to represent, when porn has sexism or racist inflextions, it is because life has that, it also has interracial, people of all backgrounds all types , porn has racism because there are racist people, it also has interracial sex, porn has sexism because there are sexist people, it also has very gentle and caring depictions because there are caring people represented..

Mbheti, right back at you, you must think your posts are just the sh!t, and short and concise with no insults, I could care less what you think about my posts

Cornlia, oh yeah, you just let me know when you find anything in my Africa posts that bear on what Im saying about porn, mean while , my poor Cornilai, you are a broken record “American thinking, Ameican thinking, someone from Canada cracks on you, American thinking, someone from England cracks on you, American thinking, black is invented by the oppressor, black is invented by the oppressor”…

Legion, its about people making statements about porn that are false, like they dont see japanese men (I can find more Japanese men in porn than you can find women shaking their booty in North Africa), or its all rough sex, Its like they need someone to hold them by the hand to see the truth…in the old days, it was hard to find black men, black women,nice looking people, it was back room smut, the point of this thread was look how it has grown, now, a person can find a huge selection of what they could be into…if you cant understand that, go and read some Chomsky

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 11:11:59 B. R.

Mbetti, you need to meet Lexington Steel

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=2049074948#!

He owns his own production company, my favorite part is 12:40, where the incredible Lori Alexia mounts him and you can see a tv image in the background of him getting his balls licked very nicely

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 11:27:00 B. R.

http://www.guernicamag.com/features/transforming-pornography-black-porn-for-black-women/

racism , sexism in porn…very good to read this…its not that racism isnt in porn, its that black men and women are taking control for themselves

if you can find people like this in the industry, then you will be able to find porn that is not catering towards white standards

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 11:54:41 v8driver

*whee* I used my computer? to meet this girl? and she’s comin over on saturday how bout that

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 11:57:20 v8driver

had a little skype thing but bah… that just a tease

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 12:56:39 Cornlia

Bulanik, was “fence painting” your invention ? It just cracked me up !

B.R., not only do you masturbate on your “zizi” (French), but you obviously also enjoy it on your keyboard. Bah.

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 16:39:28 Kwamla

I realize now, more and more, that it’s pointless of me to share learning and/or knowledge on this blog.

I am left wondering why you continue to disregard the suggestions of myself and others to start your own?

You already have made enough contributions on this one to more than fill your own. Just a thought…maybe then it might not feel so pointless…

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 17:14:53 Kwamla

This is not really a problem as you are in full control of who can access your blog and leave comments. Just look at the various blogs of commentators here…

You would have to attract a great many people to your (like Abagonds does) blog. You’re more likely to have deal spam comments but again these are easily deleted.

I am sure there are many people here who could similarly advise you on setting one up if you so chose…

Dare I say also…it might also give you more options for dealing with haters and resenters in your comments on this blog too…!

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 19:27:50 Fiamma

Bulanik writes:

“Maybe the notion of prudish Victorians might have been more extreme in the US?”

– – –

Based on what I’ve read concerning Victorian era England, my view is that there was much debauchery — amongst the poor and amongst the wealthy; but, that it tended to be hidden or taken underground by the upperclasses.

I have heard that narcotic substances were used much more freely / commonly then than they are now, as their use did not carry the same negative / moralistic connotations which they now do. Added to that is the fact that during that time there was little knowledge concerning the potential health hazards frequent usage of these substances presented.

Cocaine was much more commonly used during that era and, from what I’ve read, was considered a headache remedy which could be purchased at local pharmacies. The original formula for Coca Cola (also meant to treat headaches, if I recall correctly) included cocaine as an ingredient. I recall also reading about a wine which contained tincture of the coca plant, and was a favorite beverage of a pope of that era.

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 20:56:56 Cornlia

Bulanik, I started my own blog some time ago, but I realized that I also needed the interaction in other places to think things through. I don’t write as much there, because I want to make it simple and clear, to the point. And also I started it because there was one topic and one only that I needed to express myself on, simply because I have almost no-one to talk about it around (apart from my husband). But I find places like this one on the internet. I also interact with a few people on FB.

I like what you write. And the way you write it.

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 21:42:25 sam

ok, maybe I should stay out of this but I guess not…

Porn is a) graphic depiction of sexual acts or objects b) fantasy c) objectification of humanbeings.

Most of all, it is a huge business. Already back in the 90’s in USA porn was bigger business than all the other “entertainment” business put together. That is bigger business than all rappers, Michael Jacksons and Bruce Springsteens and Bon Jovis and country stars and movie stars and movies and Terminators and every other put together. So it is about the money. It is not about being liberated or free or any of that stuff. It is about the money.

Now, one thing: porn is extremely popular in societies which are moralistic: USA, catholic countries and Sweden. Yes, Sweden is a moralistic country. Everything in life is about moral in Sweden in one way or another. Porn seems also to be popular in countries in which nudity is a problem of sorts.

Is there porn in Finland? Yes, but nobody takes it seriously or bothers about it in general. I mean, we have over two million saunas over here and most of us have seen naked people from the day we were born, so nudity is not an issue to most of us. Sex is your personal issue. As long as you do not hurt anybody, nobody cares about your sex life or your sexuality or what ever.

I think almost all my friends have seen porn at one time or another. When I was in my early teens it was interesting, but after say 15 not so much. I do not know anyone who would spend too much time or money on it. I don’t. I like the real life too much, real people with real feelings. Besides, porn stars are really bad actors, even when they simulate the sex.

As for the personal sex stories, they are personal.

Somebody pointed out how people do not anymore talk about making love. That is a very good point. Making love is the real deal.

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 22:48:49 Mbeti

@Bulanik
“Well, Mbeti, thanks for grading my paper! LOL!
I am sorry, I think I tried to pack too much info in there and failed to communicate in a style you can appreciate.
I won’t be doing that again.
I am not much of a writer. I don’t pretend to be. Too dyslexic.
I realize now, more and more, that it’s pointless of me to share learning and/or knowledge on this blog. ”

Well as i observed others even B.R. it has more to do with my attention span and interests than your writing which is fine by me.

And your last part only saddens and disappoints me,but you should and will do as you feel and think is best for you,I

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 22:58:43 Mbeti

oops hit the submit button by accident,sorry
@bulanik
“Isn’t it amazing how little people actually pay attention to what has been going on, on this blog? You seem to think these “arguments” are because he writes about the same things in the similar way as I do.”

I again apologize Mistook quantity as similarity,foolish me.

“No, my dear, no.
Obviously you have not seen the many times I have asked to left alone.
Or demanded that he not to say I said things I did not. Or noticed that habit of his to treat my presence on this blog, my commentary on a wide variety of subjects, as the target for competition, as his way to gain “kudos”.
May I ask you to consider that you have assumed wrongly the next time.”

And thus I am corrected as I must confess to paying most attention to what I have to say.
Again I hope you don’t leave and will be sorry to see you go ,your writing skills as well as knowledge are quite good.

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on Tue May 7th 2013 at 23:26:40 Mbeti

@B. R.

“Mbetti, you need to meet Lexington Steel

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=2049074948#!

He owns his own production company, my favorite part is 12:40, where the incredible Lori Alexia mounts him and you can see a tv image in the background of him getting his balls licked very nicely.”

Sir You assume that because I choose to comment on this topic I would share similar tastes and interest, you are wrong on that.

“Mbheti, right back at you, you must think your posts are just the sh!t, and short and concise with no insults, I could care less what you think about my posts”

You know what I first thought about you when I first started seeing your repetitive ,long and boring comments on the “is the term subsharan africa racist thread”, in which you continually and still insist (in spite overwhelming and conclusive evidence it is) its not?

I said to myself – here a white racist male ,whose in it for the long haul,seeing the failure of numerous brethren in harassing insulting and derailing topics on this blog ,you where designated to use a more cunning approach.

anyway for someone to continually post comments that are in opposition and harass and insult people indicates to me a person with a significant degree of cognitive-emotional pathology.

Earlier in my experience commenting on blogs I would have valiantly jumped at the opportunity to attack you and revel in “justified” indignation.

Now I’m learning the folly of such endeavors.

I only respond due your persistence – but I’ve learned just as much from far worse conditions.

BTW I was wrong about your long wordiness as well as you are quite capable of brevity and conciseness.

As to consideration ,empathy and respect for other commenters ,the jury is still out ,but I think you’ll be found guilty , and the sentence may be banning – I think you should be scorned instead ,at until you learn better manners.

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 00:03:10 Cornlia

Bulanik, I expressed myself on this in the open thread

https://abagond.wordpress.com/open-thread-2/#comment-169643

😉

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 12:50:00 B. R.

No , Mbeti, Im not assuming anything, and not looking to bond with you about any subject….Lori Alexia, besides representing the kind of black beauty that doesnt get any kind of acknowledgement in normal media, spent various years in the porn industry with no problems, its when she got married that she ends up getting shot and killed , over petty reasons, in violent domestic violence…a point Im trying to make about what real feminist should be concerned about rather than whether women are being sexualy exploted for posing nude or in string bikinis or wearing them in public

How quick you are ready to slap the “racist ” tag on me, the truth is, Ive lascerated Noam Chomsky, pointing out his hypocracies , lies and agendas, Ive burst yours and others little bubble about Hugo Chavez, and, whether you agree with me or not about SSA , I laid out my case in a very powerful way that really couldnt be negated, and in all these cases, I brought in solid hard core facts , as well as brought in the oposing positions advocates from outside the commenters that was more elaborated than their own, and dealt with their arguments…and because you are disgruntled from this, you want to call me racist…or at least bring the fuking truth somewhere to prove it because I am god damed waiting for the other people who wanted to lable me racist , because I dont agree with them on international policies, including Cornlias alleged acuasations wanting to find some kind of “jungle boogey racism” tie in with what I am saying here and what I am saying on the SSA thread, and others like, I forgot her name, and Hannu with his chiming in about Bulaniks extremly false claim Im stalking her, that is a bold face lie…Bulanik thinks she can say anything and not be challenged, the thought Im going after every thing she sais is absolutly ludicriss..go ahead and start the “Bulanik versus B. R. broken record conflict Thread” anytime you want, Abagond, for lots of laughs and ridiculousness

Lets face it Mbeti, there are black people who post on here that wont talk to white people, there are more than a few black people who have come in here dramaticly against inter racial relationships who also distance themselves from mixed racial kids, some ranting about it.

Where I support black Americans to use any defence they need to get through white racism they have to deal with, Im not here to jump through hoops to prove to anyone whether Im racist or not, or to try to be accepted by you or anyone on this blog into march step agreement…bring an example where I am racist and I will challenge you or anyone severly, if its some BS petty crap that cant stick, and if it cant, then expect to get disgruntled

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 13:05:17 B. R.

” I like the real life too much, real people with real feelings…..”

You almost got it Sam, I really like most of your answer, its just a little judgemental thing here….people talk about intimicy, real feelings,.

being in a relationship 3 years shy of 3 decades takes tremendous work, commitment, attemt at understanding and tolerance and being hurt or let down and letting it go because you love that person

before that, i was in a relationship for 5 years, and a two year marraidge before that, puncuated by smaller relationships and big freak periods in between relationships

“I got 99 problems but being in an intimite relationship with real people and real feelings aint one…”, and I frequently have looked at porn and will until I die

why does there have to be that little judgement tacked on?

There is only one correct answer “Im not really into porn, it doesnt turn me on, but , I have nothing against anyone who does use it on a regular basis, because that is their choice…PERIOD”

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 13:28:28 Cornlia

Hm Hmmm.

No that’s interesting. I never thought of you as a racist, but you “imagine” it (again):

I am god damed waiting for the other people who wanted to lable me racist , because I dont agree with them on international policies, including Cornlias alleged acuasations wanting to find some kind of “jungle boogey racism” tie

Now, I’m starting to think, B.R. is too eager to prove something, and THAT’s suspicious.

I said porn was impregnated with racism, B.R., not *you*. You need to do some introspective searching, as Kwamla would say.

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 17:17:43 B. R.

Cornlia, you said you are looking for something in my statement in the Sub Sahara African thread that ties into my views about porn…

Im waiting, its really pretty jive of you to make some implication and then dont follow that through…which is exactly what Bulanik does..implies im stalking her, implies I put her down as a black woman, but wont bring any proof to the table

What kind of people throw out these implications, trying to make everyone think that way about me and then cant bring in squat?

I dont like your implications, Cornlia, make your fuking point about what I said in the SSA thread and this one, or retract your implication…that speaks a lot of your charactor, and yours too Bulanik

you all have the sence of humor of a wet noodle, if you dont get I was being sarcastic about the noble prize…but, what do you expect from uptight , repressive, judgemental people?

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 17:27:40 Cornlia

Keep waiting, B.R. Keep waiting. I have other things to do these days (I said I was moving) than to read your long and circumvolving (or whatever) comments.

The wet noodle salutes you.

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 17:31:00 B. R.

You cant just float a statement out there Cornlia with some kind of implication but cant back it up…you are just throwing BS at that point

its funny here on the threads I argue with people on, I bring in a huge amount of facts , make my points, and people slander me, they start personal attacks, because they just cant deal with the truth I bring in…take your pick, Hugo Chavez, Chomsky, SSA, Drone attacks ( in the sence I had to bring in relevant information of just how violent the Taliban are to children in their attacks, which absolutly no one else was going to bring in on that thread), anything I bring in on the negativity of communism in the cold war, all Im doing is bringing in relevant facts and information and people start insulting me personaly or making implications…

At that point , of personal attacks and slander, there is no point to have some kind of respectful diologue…there is none…and I know how to deal with that

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 17:37:13 B. R.

Bulanik, I didnt bring in any referance to my sex life, Omnipresent stated I must think Im the dogs knickers in the sack and you imply my sex life is “vanila”

Frankly, I have no problem discussing my sex life because I have been very lucky in my life to have regected Jewish, Christian, Muslim repressive values and followed my own truths…and was back in the 70’s, when most of you didnt, and we really did have more sexual freedom back then…its you who wouldnt really want to go into yours…I mean how long have you ever been in a meaningful relationship?

Yeah, Cornlia, way to cop out…you are just full of french fried potatoes

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 17:43:30 B. R.

…I mean really, you have the sence of humor of droopy radish if you think I was serious about the noble prize..no wonder this gets off into such petty uptightness and prudy repressive critiques

Look at the title of this thread, its in a humorous good natured fasion and thanks to the uptighties , it descends into capatalism, racism, sexism drek

I even brought in a link about a black feminist in porn…you see that, porn has everything, racists, sexists, capatalists, black entrapaneurs and black femminists…..

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 18:12:17 Cornlia

I said I am moving and I am. I am going to change continents soon.

And I may never reply to you because I don’t have to, you don’t order me around and people are actually intelligent enough to read your comments if they wish. Plus I may forget, because it’s not that important, and I have so many other interesting things to read.

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 18:13:45 Cornlia

Just saw that :

you are just full of french fried potatoes

And you discuss our sense of humor ? LOL

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 18:31:42 Cornlia

Trying, trying… Bulanik 😉 I went back to college after many years but wasn’t able to do a degree due to our moving back… too bad. (As of men, I think it scares some of them away also, but that does the sorting out/triage -I realized the other day this French word was used in English- ! And I found my companion some time ago, so…)

B.R. it’s interesting you would say this

hooking up with a man is much more risky and dangerous than the porn industry for a woman…a women is much more likley to be beat , abused and even murdered because of in house domestical violence than any porn industry…you all dont know anything about life…

and then demand experience from Bulanik by asking this…

I mean how long have you ever been in a meaningful relationship?

Can you please be consistent ?

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 19:26:38 Fiamma

Cornlia

“Just saw that :

you are just full of french fried potatoes

And you discuss our sense of humor ? LOL”

– – –
LoL!

…Cassoulet? (no offense intended, Cornlia 🙂 )

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 22:13:19 Cornlia

No offense taken (? is that how you would say it ?)

And btw, everyone, French fries are actually Belgian.

But the Belgians were just another Germanic people like the Francs, who gave their name to my country (I’m actually from a region called “Franche-Comté”, you can’t be more French/Franc than that, can you ?)

And fries being made with potatoes and often peanut oil, they are American, in the first sense of the word. Or whatever the various natives called their land, in fact.

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 22:42:34 B. R.

Cornlia, I could care less if you never answer, it just shows what weak charactor you have, throwing out implications but cant even back it up…and that is the real truth, you implied something , so everyone gets some sence that there is something wrong with what I said on SSA tied into here…but, you had nothihng to base it on, you just threw it out there and cant back it up…and now play like you are too busy…what a chumpy thing to do

Yeah, Bulanik, I wish all of you will have as good a sex life as I do at 63, Im a very lucky person, but I planned it this way…think anything you want, but down in here on the beach in Brazil is the total sh!t…there is no luxery in Dubai I would trade my moments on the beaches of Brazil for, there is nothing in Ireland that could come close to the alto astral that being near the sensuality of these women is equal to …then again, you have no idea what it is like to be in the middle of a 12 bar up tempo bebop , or sambao with some passistas..I love how I roll..you think your petty insults can change that? You have no idea of my life and dont flatter yourself thinking I really want to know about your personal life…its your insults that demand to be answered

I have cultivated my sexual energy , throwing off repressive Jewish/Chritian, Muslim hypocracies about sex, so that I use it in my daily life to deal with stress, use it for inspiration in my profesion, just to give myself the power to face each day with adrenalin and endorphins flowing, it is an elixer, Im not talking about actualy the sex act, that is just the culmination of the sexual energy flowing to be done at the right time and right place

what makes you think I havent experianced multiple orgasms? You dont know about the male gentital organ and how it funtions…you read that in a book…I can give a woman multiple orgasms, but I cant describe the process of how that feels to her, what makes you think you know what is the actual process for a man? I know exactly what you are taling about, and I have had the experiance of multiple male orgasms…sorry to disapoint you

There is only one answer that is valid about porn , if you dont like it

” I really dont like porn and am not into it, but, I support the right of anyone to see porn on a regular basis if that is what is right for them…PERIOD”

No need for some kind of put down , or judgement ….anything other than that and we are going to battle…you knew that when you came in here making your judgements about porn

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on Wed May 8th 2013 at 22:47:29 B. R.

And Cornlia , WTF, you think I said something like “America, love it or leave it…”….hahahaha I dont care if you go or stay, I live in Brazil, …your “its all American thinking” is your little hangup mantra,

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on Thu May 9th 2013 at 00:07:10 Fiamma

Cornlia writes:

“And btw, everyone, French fries are actually Belgian.”

– – –

That’s the very reason I suggested Cassoulet instead in place of French fries! 🙂

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on Thu May 9th 2013 at 00:08:40 Fiamma

Oh boy,
Correction: That’s the very reason I suggested Cassoulet in place of French fries!

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on Thu May 9th 2013 at 16:18:35 Cornlia

B.R. I’m starting to think there is something seriously wrong with your attitude (and it were only that)… I don’t even KNOW what you are talking about !

You make me think of that idiotic teacher (sorry, “Prrrrofessooor”) who corrected one of my Competitive Exams Preparation papers and told me, from reading the paper, that I could never be a teacher of English (which I had already been for several years, after being a teacher of French) and tried to destroy ME instead of correcting and criticitizing my English and my literary writing.

Too bad for her, I had other teachers correcting other papers too, one of them grading me “Excellent” 16/20 on a topic (Caliban) on The Tempest by William Shakespeare, whom I had NEVER read before.

The idiot didn’t even know there was a link between Toni Morrison’s work and Malcolm X’s political work.

So, you know, I couldn’t care less what you think of me.

What is the topic again ? Porn… Not US.

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on Thu May 9th 2013 at 16:19:13 Cornlia

Abagond, is the word “idiot” what prompts moderation ?

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on Thu May 9th 2013 at 16:25:30 Cornlia

Bulanik said it

This is a public forum: you obviously don’t appreciate that as a white man, the dynamics of it are different for you than many of us who are not.
You obviously lack sensitivity about that, and have no awareness or honesty how you are privileged.

I said it this way:

Now, I’m starting to think, B.R. is too eager to prove something, and THAT’s suspicious.

And this is the conclusion of my exchanges with you, B.R., on this topic and on personal attacks. I don’t exchange with people who sounds like late-teenagers.

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on Fri May 10th 2013 at 12:17:50 B. R.

You know,Cornlia, I was ready to not comment to you, but, you just had to pile on, so you dont deserve that respect

What kind of bullsh!t game are you playing when you imply something about me, trying to tie in two threads that have nothing to do with each other with some kind of ominous implication, or that there is something Im trying to prove when I just think you are full of sh!t?

I mean, making a statement implicating me for all to see, but, not being able to demonstrate it, is down right creepy…is that some kind of over the Atlantic cyber psyche technique? Because that stank wind seems to be blowing from over there, accusing someone of being something like they saw it in a post but then never being able to narrow it down

And these underhanded implications I must be racist..God fuking dam bring it if you think I am…anybody here IM FUKING HAPPY TO DISCUSS IF IM RACIST OR NOT, BUT IF YOU ARE PETTY WITH YOUR ACCUASATIONS, I WILL CHALLENGE YOU, AND RIDICULE YOU

I could hardly care less about Bulaniks points..I just was willing to drop it

There is only one correct answer if you dont like porn “Im not into porn,it doesnt turn me on, but I have nothing against anyone who uses it on a regular basis, if that is what they like, …”

Do you want fries with that burger and coke? That French fried thinking only turns into greasy bullsh!t when it comes out on the other end

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on Fri May 10th 2013 at 12:40:12 B. R.

This is what happens with uptight repressive thinking, it scares away all the people on this blog who use porn regularly who could be having an interesting discussion

Its interesting who is choosing to hang around on this porn thread more than the people who like porn…i mean, they could just say porn isnt my thing and skip it, but, no,they have to make sure to come in , try to dominate and wave around their repressive opinions and make sure to lable it capitalism, racism, sexism and we got all this moral judging and banshee screaming

Dont worry porn users, I definitly will speak up, because these people will just moraly go and attack the next thing around the corner, like fio dental bikinis as sexualy exploitive or capatilist racism

You know, the real incredible thing about Brazil is, anywhere in the world in the big metropolises, if you have enough money, you can buy your way into the hidden sensualities , in Brazil, its free, and out in the open, just get to a Brazilian beach, and deep sensuality is right out in the open with families and natural, and you dont have to pay a lot of money to enter in some back door hidden dankness…kudos to south of France and Spain for tipless beaches, but, if you like booty, Brazil is the place…its in the culture too…big time sensuality

Modern day porn is incredible compared to the past, with options and choice, when it was just smut films, i never had a film projector, then came vcr’s, now, you go to the hub, find what you like, if it is just a scene, you can control the minutes and seconds and repeat it, you can turn down the sound and skip over the parts you dont like….

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on Fri May 10th 2013 at 13:57:30 v8driver

@ cornlia it’s ‘none taken’ ie offense
they were trying to rename french fries to freedom fries over here in the states a while back thankfully it didn’t catch on

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on Fri May 10th 2013 at 14:02:00 v8driver

“cable guy”

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on Fri May 10th 2013 at 14:16:09 Omnipresent

BR:

You know, the real incredible thing about Brazil is, anywhere in the world in the big metropolises, if you have enough money, you can buy your way into the hidden sensualities , in Brazil, its free, and out in the open, just get to a Brazilian beach, and deep sensuality is right out in the open with families and natural, and you dont have to pay a lot of money to enter in some back door hidden dankness…kudos to south of France and Spain for tipless beaches, but, if you like booty, Brazil is the place…its in the culture too…big time sensuality

I will probably regret this but….just a bit of advice B.R which you obviously can take or leave as you so wish. In this paragraph (above) alone it seems that you are mixing up individuals being ‘liberated’ and ‘comfortable in their bodies’, for example, going topless on the beach, with them being in a state of undress for your pleasure.

Women who are on their holidays ‘sunning’ themselves and taking off their bikini tops or wearing teeny tiny bikini bottoms to ensure that desired all over tan I doubt would consider this as being ‘sensual’ but perhaps something more practical.

Nothing wrong with appreciating the female form but there is a time and a place I guess i’m trying to say.

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on Fri May 10th 2013 at 14:40:45 v8driver

@bulanik
‘How dare you psycho-analyse and label people here as “uptight” and “prudes” because they don’t want to spill details of their personal lives on the internet.’
yeah, it’s not for everyone

I also find it interesting how many people have nervous breakdowns on this site too, i think i’m up to about 4

@.br yeah i am just beyond in terms of sex and an ex-internet porn star and i just can’t sing porn’s praises like that

>B. R.
>V8, Im not ranting, Im laughing
that’s an evil mad scientist laugh right? muahahahaha

wow this thread is getting long no freudian slip intended

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on Fri May 10th 2013 at 21:02:17 B. R.

Omnipresent, I will tell you what a very knowledgable Brazilian told me, when I got there, and, I will tell you what I know:

As the costumes in carnival got smaller and smaller and more sexy, people kind of started just wearing them on the beach, or bathing suit styles like the carnival syles

But, the truth Ive observed is, the ladies dont really do it for the guys, they are in serious competition with each other as to who can out do the other, and, I have to say, in Brazil, women look on their sensuality as their right and Im happy to say , they would get very indignent of anyone trying to take that away from them. I am just the lucky benaficiary of this competition..and, you know there are people that are uptight about string bikinis and would almost classify that as porn (in the sence that they would have labled these older magizines not showing the vulva would be labled porn also) or indecent…they banned them in north Florida, maybe that is lifted now

Sensuality in Brazil or anywhere, doesnt exist for my benifit, it just exists, and its up to me to try to get myself to where it exists.Im not sure why you try to make it like I think its all for me…that shows a kind of desire to mischarantorise where I am coming from on your part

..I really became hooked on nudity and senuality in New York, working with Louis Falco, cheorographer for the film “Fame”, which I worked on also (although work in the “Free Street Theater” in Chicago had nudity in the dressing rooms also)…in his dance classes at his studio, all the dancers dressed and undressed nude in an open space on the side of the space for class…I would see women totaly nude and the shape of their vulvas and nude behinds, and his dancers were drop dead beautiful.It was so cool, I took some classes just to be in the middle of all that fine booty in the dressing space..Id go out of classes bouncing off the walls with such a high astral…but, you really have to be on the inside to tap into sensuality in a big northeast urban city like New York, in Brazil, its right out at the beach or at carnival or at the baile funk, open to everyone, all ages for free

V8, its not about whether people can talk openly about sex or not, its the implication that something might be a little off about someone who looks at porn on a regular basis…there just isnt a live and let live, do your own thing attitude, there is a smug judgemental tone coming from the people who say they dont like porn or are not into it

There is only one correct responce “Im not really into porn , it doesnt turn me on, but, its fine if someone else looks at porn on a regular basis if that is what they like…”

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on Fri May 10th 2013 at 22:17:09 Cornlia

You know,Cornlia, I was ready to not comment to you,

Yeah, right.

but, you just had to pile on, so you dont deserve that respect

Who’s piling on ? LOL

This is just hilarious and I can’t help but just express how hilarious this is ! You’re a grown man !? Come on !

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on Fri May 10th 2013 at 22:33:23 Cornlia

B.R., are you sure you’re OK? WHAT are you doing exactly ?

Not taking this upside-down ?

YOU are telling ME

when I just think you are full of sh!t?

I mean, making a statement implicating me for all to see

You are the one who started the BS while I was quietly commenting on the topic, with my opinions and ideas.

Abagond, can you ask him to stop please ?

I think that calling someone “full of shit” is enough to deserve at least a warning, no ?

I’ll let you take care of it from now on.

For those who don’t know what it’s about, just read the very first comments (below), and you’ll judge for youself who’s making it personal…

My comments:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-adventures-in-porn/#comment-169113
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-adventures-in-porn/#comment-169120

B.R.’s
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-adventures-in-porn/#comment-169123
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-adventures-in-porn/#comment-169129

B.S., you need to chill out ! Big time !

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on Fri May 10th 2013 at 22:36:44 Cornlia

There is only one correct answer if you dont like porn “Im not into porn,it doesnt turn me on, but I have nothing against anyone who uses it on a regular basis, if that is what they like, …”

That’s all I said. All the time. So you really do have something against ME (whoever you think I am), not what I say. You really do have a problem, now I am convinced of it.

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on Fri May 10th 2013 at 22:38:57 Cornlia

This is what happens with uptight repressive thinking, it scares away all the people on this blog who use porn regularly who could be having an interesting discussion

People sure do need my approval to express themselves on whatever they wish ! SMH.

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on Fri May 10th 2013 at 22:42:02 Cornlia

V8driver

I also find it interesting how many people have nervous breakdowns on this site too, i think i’m up to about 4

LOL !

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on Sat May 11th 2013 at 06:52:59 sam

@BR:

I have no problems if some one is spending his/hers time with porn. Go ahead, do as you please. I just find pretty boring and comical at its best. I guess I am too much of a fan of real women and real sex to praise the Lord for the porn.

I am not judgemental nor do I have any moral stand on this. If grownups want to spend their money on porn, no problem. It just does not work for me that much. There is just something very funny about watching other people copulate, I can not explain it.

I can watch pretty women all day long, and if they happen to be in my bedroom or other nice place, all the better. And if they are on top of me or in any other position they prefer, all the better. If they do not have clothes on on those positions, very nice. But I won’t pay for it nor look it from some device, be that tv or iPad or any other. I just prefer the real deal, real live action.

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on Sat May 11th 2013 at 06:54:27 phoebeprunelle

I wonder if some commentators here draw a distinction between porn acting and erotic fiction?

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on Sat May 11th 2013 at 13:11:36 B. R.

“There is just something very funny about watching other people copulate, I can not explain it.”
”

I just prefer the real deal, real live action”

Sam, your statement is fine except you still have this judgemental tone.
Do you think you enjoy real sex,the real deal, the live action, any more than I do? Do you think your sexual encounters are any more fullfilling than mine..

See, I dont think people are funny for not watching porn, I dont suggest anyone watching porn if they dont want to , porn is not for everybody and Im not into all porn, and, when I watch it, it leads to orgasm, I dont just sit and watch porn…but, I have no judgement about someone who does..

Also, Sam, Im into cultivating my sexual energy to the fullest to use it in all aspects of my life, I find tremendous health benifits from plugging into this sexual energy and porn is just one fonte of pushing that energy

There is lots in porn that Im not into, like anal,but, I dont judge the people who are into anal and look at porn for that reason..I beleive in the individual right to find ones own sexual being any way they can

Phoebeprunelle, yes of course, I look on erotica and sensuality as cousins of porn…you dont need one to have the other, I love huge doses of both and sitting on the beach with the fine women I see in the smallest bikinis in incredible poses,is nothing short of high dosage erotica at its most powerful

But, the extreme religious perverts will wrap it all in one lump and condemn it

For me, you start on one and the rest will be threatened later down the line

Yeah, Cornlia, I just go back into your posts and see exactly why I am arguing with you….and you tried to tie in something about my point of view in the SSA thread and this one, and you are implying something is funny with me (see how that word funny works Sam, its an automatic implication that something is not right about someone who watches porn)..There is nothing wrong with you not liking porn, there is everything wrong with you trying to find something wrong or strange in my personality and just implying porn is something less noble and pristine than your concepts of sexuality.

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on Sat May 11th 2013 at 15:15:11 Omnipresent

B.R:

Sensuality in Brazil or anywhere, doesnt exist for my benifit, it just exists, and its up to me to try to get myself to where it exists.Im not sure why you try to make it like I think its all for me…that shows a kind of desire to mischarantorise where I am coming from on your part

Do you mean ‘mischaracterise?’ If so, I don’t have a ‘desire’ to do this, I merely interpret what you are saying from your writing, perhaps rightly or maybe wrongly for example

I wish all of you will have as good a sex life as I do at 63, Im a very lucky person, but I planned it this way…

From this, it seems that you are suggesting that people cant be and are not having as good a sex life as you. This seems to be because they have stated that they are not in to porn or not in the way you are. Must admit I am not sure what you meant by ‘I planned it this way’ though.

“There is just something very funny about watching other people copulate, I can not explain it.”

and you are implying something is funny with me (see how that word funny works Sam, its an automatic implication that something is not right about someone who watches porn)..

I read it as “funny” = “amusing” not, “funny” weird.

There is only one correct responce “Im not really into porn , it doesnt turn me on, but, its fine if someone else looks at porn on a regular basis if that is what they like…”

I really dont know why it matters to you one way or the other whether people respond in the way you insist they do – they will like it or not regardless.

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on Sat May 11th 2013 at 15:41:31 v8driver

ars gratia pecuniae i think i got that right

@phoebeprunelle fiction is fiction, i mean there really isn’t much plot to porno usually…

my ex-wife always used to call it the prostitution channel on tv, it is prostitution but ‘oh it’s for an artistic statement’

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on Sat May 11th 2013 at 18:14:10 B. R.

It matters, Omnipresent , because if people start to pass judgements on porn, psycho analise it , even give the impresion they have nothing against it, but, get in a little dig about it (Im not going to use any post here as an example , im just saying that happens) , then people who do get something out of porn, are going to hide the fact they use it, not say anything and keep it in the dark, and just perpetuate the repression.Yes, I could say nothing and go hide from everyone here about that I look at porn on a regular basis, but, I hate hiding, I feel as normal as anyone else out here as far as sex, and I refuse to have any feeling of represion about it like I better not say anything because people are going to make remarks like they are so much more normal and above looking at porn

You see, Omnipresent, I dont know about you, but, I think societies in general, especialy the Jewish, Christian , Muslim influenced societies (for sure not exclusivly), are not well adjusted when it comes to sex. They are awash in repressive , shameful dogmas , full of mandates about what is good and what is bad…mandates that have done great damage, have ruined cultures, been especialy cruel to women in general.

All the great sex Ive had in my life was because of the woman..any sex I had that wasnt so good, I take the blame…and, women, with any sign of uninhibited behavior, and any sign that they may like sex, that they want to experiment with more than one partner, that they want to be sensual, are subject to be punished or ostracised and put to a double standard.

Women in porn are uninhibited, knowledgable, for the most part, about what to do , Im fascinated that they , and the men , can perform sex infront lights camera and a crew..I dont think I can do that, there is something interesting about that

These represions against sex in our religions, filter down into regular life and , we are all damaged goods in a way…

I planned making my older age filled with sexual desire and fantacy and sensuality, by coming to Brazil, for the beaches and culture…there were trade offs to be sure, in my career and material life styles…but I never looked back, it delivered more than I ever imagined…and then the computor age and porn hub comes in…I always had a couple of magizines laying around, but, now, porn works in a seamless way to just compliment the sensuality and the real life sex

I have tremendous curiosity about sex, I feel like I want to know everything about it…..being faithful in a relationship, means that looking at porn is the only way I can see another type woman have sex ,see her knowledge of how to orally satisfy a man, see the shape and coloring of her vulva and the unique design of her anus and how it looks with the male genital filling it up…it answers that curiosity without having to cheat…I like that

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on Sat May 11th 2013 at 18:42:00 Omnipresent

BR:

because if people start to pass judgements on porn, psycho analise it , even give the impresion they have nothing against it, but, get in a little dig about it (Im not going to use any post here as an example , im just saying that happens) , then people who do get something out of porn, are going to hide the fact they use it,

Possibly, but I think then you will find that this is a reflection of how people might behave in real life. My wife had a friend who would be described as prudish, the kind that would make moral judgements about men looking at porn for example and ‘name and shame’ people for certain behaviours. I was always careful what I said around her for fear of offending her but, by the by (and not I stress from personal experience) my understanding is that in bed, she could give the biggest porn stars a run for their money, its just that porn didn’t do it for her.

Some people don’t like the idea of their partner looking at images of other people – it makes them feel inadequate in some way and maybe for others there is a feeling of shame too – it is something that is not ‘socially’ acceptable.

Even though to a great degree there is anonymity in cyberspace I still think that people are wary of revealing too much about their personal likes and dislikes. I respect that, either way.

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on Sat May 11th 2013 at 18:42:23 Joaquin

Look up Alexis love folks, fucked up teeth aside, she gonna change your LIFE.

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on Sat May 11th 2013 at 19:38:57 Cornlia

Phoebeprunelle:
“I wonder if some commentators here draw a distinction between porn acting and erotic fiction?”

Yes, I do. Not the same thing. I used to watch the second and wasn’t interested in the first at all after seeing a few (not even watching).

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on Sun May 12th 2013 at 02:57:36 Sharina

First of all…WOW.

I must admit I was heavy into porn once. Actually turned on one of my videos (yes vhs) last week and fell asleep watching. lol.

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on Sun May 12th 2013 at 03:53:38 Sharina

LOL!!.

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on Sun May 12th 2013 at 05:03:35 B. R.

Sharina ,thanks for sharing

Omnipresent, yes, the kind of agreement between couples and these issues is a factor, if its going to cause tension, that is between them, and they have to work it out…again, I dont think porn is for everyone at all, I dont reccomend everyone going out and looking at porn if it is not for them, I just dont want judgement that it is something not normal if other people have a purpose for it in their sexual discovery and expressing their sexuality

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on Sun May 12th 2013 at 05:34:19 B. R.

Thanks for the tip, Joaquin

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on Sun May 12th 2013 at 16:22:02 Sharina

B.R.

I won’t judge you or anyone for liking porn. I am however a bit shocked at some people in here that responded and are porn watchers. Personally I think it is about as healthy. I go to porn hub on occasion. I am not ashamed and nor should anyone else (it has just been a while). My husband and I used to have a collection. We had kids and we had to minimize evidence. LOL.

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on Sun May 12th 2013 at 16:22:37 Sharina

as healthy as self love.

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on Sun May 12th 2013 at 18:56:02 B. R.

Sharina, its very refreshing to hear your comments on this , you sound really cool, and your husband sounds cool also and is a lucky guy

…porn hub has so much variety…its is exactly that, a hub of porn from many differant porn sites. I dont know how they work it, but, a person can really find their specific tastes, the “catagories ” section had “gay” “lesbian” “massage” , which are probably mild softer type porn,they even had a catagorie for older women , among many other catagories..it really serves my purposes totaly…and its for free …and you dont have to hide the evidance like you said hahahaha

Joaquin, I think you meant Arial Alexus, Ive been a fan of hers, and Misty Stone, Lori Alexia, Marie Luv…these girls basicly represent models for me of my wife

Here is Arial Alexus’s “Porn hub page, with lots of referances to her videos, was that who you are talking about?

http://www.pornhub.com/video/search?search=alexus+love#!

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on Sun May 12th 2013 at 19:26:24 B. R.

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY OUT THERE TO ALL YOU MOTHERS!!

Nice links, Bulanik, I like that painter better than the old Vargas girls that I used to see in Playboy, which I liked way back in the early 60’s (that Japanese painter must have been spying on my technique) Here are some Vargas paintings
http://www.google.com.br/search?q=druuna&hl=fi&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=LnCiTu62FMjN4QT0hf33BA&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CAUQ_AUoAQ&redir_esc=&ei=8-qPUezoOe-w4APvlYGoAQ&biw=1024&bih=533&sei=9OqPUenHE8L94APO2IDoBw#safe=off&client=safari&hl=fi&rls=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=vargas+girls&oq=vargas+girls&gs_l=img.12…16906.18828.4.22750.6.4.0.2.2.0.312.734.2-2j1.3.0…0.0…1c.1.12.img.IT-7pDnBqYc&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46340616,d.dmg&fp=acdb9a86bcdbd9d0&biw=1024&bih=494

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on Sun May 12th 2013 at 19:49:00 B. R.

I like that Druua by Serpieri…I think he out did Vargas

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on Sun May 12th 2013 at 20:57:22 sam

@BR:

“Women in porn are uninhibited, knowledgable, for the most part, about what to do , Im fascinated that they , and the men , can perform sex infront lights camera and a crew”

You serious, man? They are ACTING. Thats why they are pornACTRESSES AND ACTORS. Seriously, you really think they are performing real sex?? Oh man, if you do you must be really naive. It is a hard work and all fake. I dated a porn actress for a while and got to know the side you do not see on those videos etc. They are not getting it on, they are not unihibited, they are working for the money.

In the old days there were few guys who could “perform” on those conditions but today its all about Viagra. They used to have warmers, chicks who would jerk the guys or suck them so they could keep hard between the takes. The moisture you see between womens legs is lubricants. Fake too. It is all fake. It is all about the money.

“I have tremendous curiosity about sex, I feel like I want to know everything about it…..being faithful in a relationship, means that looking at porn is the only way I can see another type woman have sex ,see her knowledge of how to orally satisfy a man, see the shape and coloring of her vulva and the unique design of her anus and how it looks with the male genital filling it up…it answers that curiosity without having to cheat…I like that”

Sorry to say, but you sound more like a 19 year old school kid than a real grown up man. But that explains a lot. Also, if your relationship is ok why do you need to see “another type of woman have sex”? And if you are single, why not have real sex instead?

But like I said, to each his own. If it makes you happy, feel free to watch porn. I simply find it boring compared to real women in real life. I find living women much more interesting and stimulating than those girls who try to survive in porn industry. Because that is what it is: an industry. Porn in USA is bigger business than American Idols, talk shows, records, rock bands, the whole music industry and Hollywood and movie stars, television and radio, all put together.

@bulanik:

Tom of Finland was never that big in Finland. He became more famous after his death but was forgotten soon after.

He found his audience after he moved to USA. According to him, he found his identity during the WW2 when he was a young clerk adjutant working for the german officers. That is where he got his fetish for uniforms and boots and leather. He became quite influental in gay circles by creating this style, muscular guys with macho gear.

I’ve seen some his work but on the average I do not find it that amazing or shocking or fine. He does have some works which are more than about being gay, however.

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on Sun May 12th 2013 at 21:30:59 Adeen

@All
How is porn considered acting? I consider it a useless industry that is not worth talking about or even brought up. Of course, there is racism in the porn industry. White women are considered to be the epitome of beauty and will get more roles in porn than Black women although Black women are also beautiful in their own right

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 06:43:11 sam

@adeen:

Porn is nothing but acting, not in a sense as in movies or such, but acting as in pretending. But granted, it is pretty bad acting as it is.

As for racism in porn, all kind of oppression, unequality, dehumanising, sadism and racism comes out in porn. Porn is very much about power, just like raping is.

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 11:35:15 B. R.

Sam, you must think Im naive…you may think prostitutes are all acting also and dont have orgasms…porn is like movies, they hire the most beautiful people to play the rolls and have them survive physical trauma that would kill or cripple someone.I dont go into porn to see just regular people having sex. Older porn had skanky looking people in it, now its much differant..

Not real, you mean those women licking the balls are just avatars? There is nothing fake about that…the positions dont look like they substituted dolls..they are real positions…I see through the acting…I guess you cant..I turn the sound down to not hear the fake orgasms..I dont mind exagerated body parts,Im not hung up about that

I mean Sam, you are the guy that told us all that the modeling industry introduced shaving the pubic area because the gay owners wanted the models to look like little boys…are you really that ignorant? I went down to Brazil in 86, and you see bikinis so small that pubic hair would just pop out all over if it wasnt shaved…but one model fed you that crap and you believe it, if that is your take on shaved genital areas and women, I cant trust your judgement

You really are uptight with all your talk about not caring what a person does. You really do come in with this “Im so superiour to your concept of sex..” man you suk

Porn just reflects life, its got racism, its got interracial, its got capatalism, its got black men and women being in charge of their own business, its got sexism, and its got black feminists (see my link above) , but, you have isolated only the negative and then try to pompouly judge

You dont have any better sex life than I do, Sam…you havent had as long and caring relationship with one individual as I have, Sam, and I doubt if you have gotten your freak on anymore than I have.where in gods name do you get off with your petty judgemens?

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 12:55:14 B. R.

….and, Sam, if you dont think people arnt acting in sex in real life, I dont think you have been around very much….when people get together for the first time, more often as not, they are putting on an act…it does take time for people to unravel what they want and need in sex…lots of women fake orgasims in real life…sex can be all hot and incredible for some people in the beginning and them go cold…sex can start slowly and not be so good the first time for some people and then get really hot as they discover each other

There are no rules, but you are superimposing them…calling me thinking like a 19 year old is extremly judgemental on your part and makes you come off stiff…but, id rather think like a 19 year old in sex than fade into calcafied non orgasmic old age

Its funny, you want to judge me, but , it is you who seem to be bouncing around from relationship to relationship, unable to commit to any long term situation…I dont really judge that at all,until someone wants to start shooting petty judgements at me

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 13:16:24 sam

@ BR:
Oh man, do we really need to go down this way? I guess we do. Okay. For the last time I answer you.

“Sam, you must think Im naive…you may think prostitutes are all acting also and dont have orgasms…porn is like movies, they hire the most beautiful people to play the rolls and have them survive physical trauma that would kill or cripple someone.I dont go into porn to see just regular people having sex. Older porn had skanky looking people in it, now its much differant..”

I have no idea what you think the prostitution is but I can tell you this: they are also acting. They are working girls. They do not like their customers in general. They sleep with you because of the money. They do not get an orgams with you. They do not want to. They want your money. And that is why they will fake anything that makes you come sooner, so that they will get your money faster and get out faster. They have no pleasure in their work. It is just work. I have no idea where you get your ideas, or are you really that simple, or are you just trying to convince yourself of something, but I really feel sorry for you if you believe that prostitution is about pleasure and feelings for those women. It is not. It is just a job and real HC work at that.

As for the porn stars, read some porn actresses biography. It is not all sweet smelling roses. Many women do not survive porn. Think all of those who have fallen to the gutter because they could not take it mentally, who were ruined by drugs or alcholism. Think all those girls who died of AIDS back in the 80’s and 90’s and still do get the infection. Think all the VD that runs rampant in that industry. It is not pretty girls. There are millions of prettier girls out in the real world than in porn. It is exploitation. The girls exploit anyone they can, they want to make money as much as they can, and the porn producers exploit the girls and the guys as much as they can get away with. And the consumers make this exploitation possible. It is not pretty and it has nothing to do with movies. That is why it is called Porn, not movies.

“Not real, you mean those women licking the balls are just avatars? There is nothing fake about that…the positions dont look like they substituted dolls..they are real positions…I see through the acting…I guess you cant..I turn the sound down to not hear the fake orgasms..I dont mind exagerated body parts,Im not hung up about that”

You really believe there is nothing fake about porn? What are you? Five year old? Of course it is fake, all of it. Indiana Jones movies are more realistic than your average porn movie. Those women lick those balls because they are told to. They are getting paid to do that. They don’t do it because its fun or because they like to do it front of the camera. They do it solely for the money.

The positions are so uncomfortable that ordinary joe shmoe or ann average would hurt her/himself trying them. Those porn professionals, girls and guys get cramps, hurt their joints, pull their muscles doing those positions. They also hurt their genitals. That is why they film them in bits. Two three days. All day long. They have to have breaks because nobody does what they do in real life. Not even them. So they take a shot from this angle, from this angle and this angle. Break. They change position and shoot again. Every time there is a cut there is a break, maybe ten, fifteen minutes, perhaps an hour, and back again.

Like I said, I don’t have problems if you like that poop. I just can not help but burst into laughter when I see a butthole which has been bleached glaiming white or silicon breasts that could smash oak tables down, or symmetrical surgically altered genitalia. That is just so sick. But hey, that is just me. I like the real women in real life.

“I mean Sam, you are the guy that told us all that the modeling industry introduced shaving the pubic area because the gay owners wanted the models to look like little boys…are you really that ignorant? I went down to Brazil in 86, and you see bikinis so small that pubic hair would just pop out all over if it wasnt shaved…but one model fed you that crap and you believe it, if that is your take on shaved genital areas and women, I cant trust your judgement”

I did not say that, it was about androgynic girls in general. It was not just one model but few. One very succesfull model confirmed that. But I never claimed that it was fashion industry who introduced the all shaved genitals nor it was the brazilians. I guess you just do not know what you talk about, which is all right. You simply do not know and no harm in it. See, divers have to shave themselves for various reasons and have done so for very long time, but I guess you have no knowledge about that. Ballet dancers have done it also well before any Ipanema chick sported the brazilian waxing. Which, strangely enough since you claim to live there, did not mean complete shave in the beginning at all. It was called a brazilian air strip back in the days. But I guess you must have known that, after all, since you live in Brazil, right? I got that information from a brazilian girl I once met long time ago who also sported one herself.

“You really are uptight with all your talk about not caring what a person does. You really do come in with this “Im so superiour to your concept of sex..” man you suk”

Well I don’t think myself an uptight at all. After all, I have been around all sorts of people all my life and I have friends from all walks of life. I even have had a serious realtionship with a stripper/porn actress/prostitute which I bet you would have some problems with. I am not claiming to be superior in anything or to anyone. I just state my opinions. If that makes you feel small I am sorry. It is just my opinion on this subject. You like porn and jerking off with it, I just prefer real sex with real women. No problem with that. It is ok with me. I am not judging you at all. Feel free to do what ever you want. I do what I want. Ok?

“Porn just reflects life, its got racism, its got interracial, its got capatalism, its got black men and women being in charge of their own business, its got sexism, and its got black feminists (see my link above) , but, you have isolated only the negative and then try to pompouly judge”

Porn may reflect real life as much any fantasy or such does. It is not manufactured in a void, so naturally it does. But what it really does reflect is the consumers want. Porn is produced ot the audiences who want more and different, new stuff etc. That is the only guide the porn industry has: how to make more money. It has no agendas what so ever.

So-called feminist porn is quite funny phenomena since it is just porn, usually even cheaper than average porn. If a prostitute states that I do this because I want so I am not an object but subject, that is only her/his opinion. With in the context she/he is still just a prostitute. If so-called feminists do porn, it is still porn. That is because it can not place itself outside the cultural framework of the porn. It may be called feminist porn, but it is just porn in the end. My take on these “polically correct” pornfilms is this: there is a big market for porn labeled as Feminist. That takes some of the stigma away and makes it ok for the so-called feminists and their companions to watch porn. That is my opinion on that: it is just a marketing idea. “Hey feminists, now you can watch this porn because it is feminist porn!” and it’s nine ninetynine, thank you.

“You dont have any better sex life than I do, Sam…you havent had as long and caring relationship with one individual as I have, Sam, and I doubt if you have gotten your freak on anymore than I have.where in gods name do you get off with your petty judgemens?”

Where did I say I have better sex life than you???? I never said that. All I said was that I prefer real women in real life over porn. That is all. Do not take things so personally, even if you are so much into the porn. Let me go the other way. I am not telling you to stop or judge you in any way. Feel free, man. Live your life. Accept it. You like porn and it is ok. No problem. I do not like porn, I find it boring and funny. That is all. No need to get so irritated. Unless somewhere deep inside you are feeling the guilty bangs. But that is not my problem.

I propably haven’t had as long relationship as you have. Life sometimes does that. Not all the love stories last, no matter what we do. Luckily I have been able to stay friends with most of my exes. Good for you if you have a good long solid relationship.

“I doubt if you have gotten your freak on anymore than I have”??

I have no idea what do you mean by that. You mean sexual experimentations? Well, I have no idea what you have done nor I am interested in them, but I know I have had all kinds of fun and I have no complains. For me sex is not an obstacle course or abrobatic excercise, it is what it is, naturally. Some like it wild, some like it tender and sweet, some like animalistic and some slow and soft etc. I’ve had all of those and I am grateful for all those moments. I guess I am a bit boring heterosexual but that is just me. Feel free to live anyway you want. I live the way I like and no, I am not into the porn even after this one. It is just too comical for me to take it seriously. Sorry.

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 14:21:24 sam

@Bulanik:
The so-called Sexual revolution went a bit over board indeed, in that it became almost Tabu to refuse sex back in the late 60’s aerly 70’s and some women have later said that they felt quite suffocated with that.

But the equality between the sexes in broader sense up north is much earlier tradition than usually is known. Finland gave women the right to vote in 1905 when we were still officially under the tsarist rule. First women ministers in governments were also quite early on. During our civil war in 1918 there were women batallions in the red army.

In the much earlier ages it was a custom that the woman of the house was in control when the husband was gone, she was The madam of the whole estate in the absence of her husband OR if the husband was incapacitated. So much so that in medieaval times Finland was known as womens land, Kvennoland. Even some romans wrote that we were so rotten and corrupted that women are our leaders, which was actually sometimes the case.

They have found several so-called woman chiefs graves from Finland which are dated in Iron Age, roman times, early medieval times and before crusades. In these graves there are all the things which signified a status of a chief in our old society; a sword, a big knife and the keys. They state that the person in the grave ruled and controlled her society, village or counry. And there are more than couple of these.

I believe that it was pretty much so in Sweden and Denmark during the viking era at least. There were women vikings (which the french really scared and called the Virgings of the Shield Arm, because it did not come into their mind that those chicks propably were not the virgin type to begin with) and when a viking chief was away his wife controlled the household. She was also allowed to have a “bed warmer”, a guy with whom she could have sex while the husband was gone. Naturally when the husband came home, the bedwarmer was better to get out of the town. Any children concieved like this were taken into the family, as well as any the husband had with maids, but they had no right for the heritage.

It was only after christianity was introduced that women lost their equal position in the eyes of the law and government. How ever the old traditions did not die and even if there was social and religious stigma, there were women who lived alone and made careers for themselves. My great-great aunt was one of them. She lived in Vyborg, Carelia, had six children with different men (when it was illegal!!), was never married and ran a successful business at the turn of the 1900’s. So she was educated, had several children and had her own propety etc.

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 14:23:57 sam

@peanut:

He absolutely does have that right and nobody is saying anything else.

I think if we look the original “shavers” they are found in Egypt. But as a fashion and norm, I think it became into that in the 90’s.

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 14:38:24 sam

@bulanik:

Yes, even some medieval bath scene paintings show that the women are clean shaven.

@peanut:

Actually it is less hygeinic to shave one self clean despite the common belief. Once the pubic hair is removed, there is nothing to stop any germs, bacteria or viruses to enter into a woman trough that way.

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 14:54:02 sam

@bulanik:

Nigh courting was pretty normal even when my parents were young and well before the wars etc. If a young couple wanted to get it on they could meet at the local dances. Then the guy could ask if she would allow him to escort her safely back to home. If she wanted, she could say yes and usually they did not go back to the girls home but some different building called Aitta, sort of an extra house with beds etc. or to sauna and things happened or not.

A girl could also invite a guy to visit her during the night in Aitta or if he showed up uninvited she could turn him down or take him in. So the final desicion was the girls. The only thing that was really forbidden was the pregnancy but there were ways to deal with that too. Unmarried girl could be wed fast and the child became part of her family. She could be sent away and later when she came back and she just told that husband had died or left them. If the girl was a maid and the father was from the family of the house, she could be taken to the other side of the country, given money to start a new life, and back at home she was told committed a suicide by drowning. Naturally nobody ever saw her again.

In Finland the sauna culture made the nudity sort of lame thing. Naturally if you see complete stranger nude you are somewhat ashtonished etc. but if there is a sauna near by, nobody thinks about it twice. He/she is coming from or going to sauna. Funny thing, when women went to swim from the sauna, they covered their breasts with their arms but not the pubic hair etc.

When I was a child I went to sauna with anybody. If our family went to sauna, we were all there in the nude: father, mother, big brother, me and kid sister. Only if there was a bigger crowd of guests or relatives, women and men went to sauna separately. But the kids went with whom ever they liked. So from very early on I saw females from the age of two up to their seventies, as well as nude men about the same age range. The puberty was the line. Once you reached you puberty you did not go to sauna with your mother anymore. BUT when we were teenagers we used to go to sauna with our neighbour kids, girls and boys all together.

Funny thing is that this did not take away any eroticism from the nudity once the sex life began. You could talk to a girl earlier totally nude in the sauna without any sexual ideas in your head, only to be in heat with her couple hours later in bed with the same sight. Really weird how that worked.

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 15:04:41 Cornlia

Sam, it doesn’t sound weird to me at all. It’s nature, no ?

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 15:06:45 Cornlia

Legion

“Why do you believe that type of utterance deserves a pre banning warning?”

I was not thinking of “banning” in any way. Just respecting the rules of the blog… I *think*.

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 15:45:10 Cornlia

Maybe we don’t understand the word “warning” in the same manner (I am not totally aware of some of the subtleties of the English language . I meant that Abagond could have told him that this was enough and to discuss ideas instead of calling me “full of shit”. Is this clearer ?

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 15:48:08 Cornlia

@Bulanik,

“Clean is clean, and the hair grows there for a good reason…
This is really about fashion more than anything else.”

And fashion is business.

I’m always surprised to see how many fashion trends involve polluting our environment with the use of huge amount of chemicals (one type of pollution that is NEVER mentioned). But anyway, that’s off topic.

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 15:55:29 Cornlia

Sam when I read your historical account it makes me wonder what positive things Christianity and the monotheists cults based on the Bible before and after, have brought to humanity that was truly an improvement… Very hard to find.

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 16:03:39 B. R.

“Sorry to say, but you sound more like a 19 year old school kid than a real grown up man. But that explains a lot. Also, if your relationship is ok why do you need to see “another type of woman have sex”? And if you are single, why not have real sex instead”

If this isnt a put down uptight judgemental statement , I dont know what is…you know, for a guy who talks so much about intimate relations with a woman, I wonder how long you have ever been in a long term relationship with a woman? more than 15 years? Is anyone on this blog married for over 20 years? Ive been in an intimite relationship with a woman for 27 years…and with huge passion and wonderful intimite sex..and before that, Ive had plenty of choice and experimentation…you are making a personal implication with the question about if my relationship is ok…

Yes, Ive had relationships with prostitutes, and yes, Ive made them come…I guess you are the one naive about that, to make just a blatent statement like its true…

I mean, all that acting happens in real life too, it happens in relationships, it happens in the dating world

Our ancient ancesters painted graphic sexual paintings on the walls and one of the things that makes us differant than the neandathrals is that we started wearing beads and ornaments, to look more attractive …

Im not looking at porn asking if this is exactly how it is in real life, I look at the parts that turn me on, what is so hard to understand about that, that Im not looking for an oscar winning performance …if a woman is going to lick the balls in real life , someone has to show her…what makes you think real life women dont like to lick the balls? and please their partner..I dont ask what the porn actress’s motivation to lick the balls is, I just like seeing it, and receiving it myself, which I do

I never said Brazilians invented it, I said I saw that they definitly did it and it wasnt from gay men in the industry trying to make women look like boys, and it made you look silly…which is what you said…look, im the one saying you can do anything you want and not like porn, its you who have this silly implication as I showed above that something might be wrong with it, in a steady relationship, or that I sound like a 19 year old for liking it …please, thinking I dont know what is acting and what is not, is presumtuous on your part…ive strained muscles and gotten cramps myself performing sex, you dont have to be in porn for that…lets face it , Sam, your silly acuasations at me, implications on my relationship, thinking I sound like a 19 year old, does make you sound stiff and uptight

Legion, go read some Chomsky, talking about intimite sex in a long term relationship is definitly out of your experiances at this point

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 16:12:28 B. R.

Its funny, a black man could be shot and hung for having sex with a white woman not too long ago, in porn now, it is somthing you can see easily

black women were rarly portrayed in porn 60 years of so ago, yet now, not only do they own their own businesses , but, there are more realistic depictions of black woman’s looks and bodies in porn than in the mainstream media

Women like Lori Alexia, is dark skinned, short and compact and with a big incredibly shaped booty..you dont see that type of woman in the media as beautiful, yet that shape and look is one devastatingly beautiful look a black woman can have….lets face it , normal everyday media is does not represent black female beauty very well at all, but I can name a bunch of black women in porn that are devastatingly beautiful , with features like their booties better represented than anything in main stream media

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 16:35:59 B. R.

Thanks, Peanut, ….for being able to agree to disagree yet not make judgemental implications..unlike people who pretend to be liberal about it but have their little uptight stiff dig at it…I can see through that so fast

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 17:25:19 Cornlia

Oh man ! LOL some people just never give up ! T’es vraiment trop toi ! (trop marrant)

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 18:17:01 B. R.

The other thing about the shaved genital region, Sam, after your testimony about the models in the industry and how it was brought in because of gay men who wanted women to look like little boys, you start going on how you love women to have hairy genital regions…you whole thing was implying that if men like shaved genitals on a women, they must have some gay fantacy…you are going to try to back out of that, saying you didnt meant that, but you just didnt have any intention , back then, of stating that if it was a Brazilian wax (doh, comon man I live here) it couldnt have been used in modern times just because gay men want women to look like little boys that ….for you, you make a statement about something like it is fact when it isnt and then use it to justify your tastes and then have this implication that someone who might like it could be into little boys, or funny, or couldnt have a steady healty relationship ( based on your bogus loaded implicated question above.If you are going to make these digs at people, expect to be debated

I love it when my wife has depilacao and has her genital region shaved…its definitly a moment that spices up our sex, because it is differant, oral sex with her when she is shaven is really a treat, and I like it with her hair also, and, in differant positions, it looks really cool , too…Im a lucky guy..that is how you spice up your sex in a long term relationship, Sam, occaisional shaving of the genitilia.

Its funny when people who make some of the longest posts, make some kind of dig at when a thead goes on long that they arnt into…

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 18:46:45 sam

“Yes, Ive had relationships with prostitutes, and yes, Ive made them come…I guess you are the one naive about that, to make just a blatent statement like its true…”

You for real????????? 😀

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 18:56:26 Omnipresent

BR:

Is anyone on this blog married for over 20 years?

Due to my age, no but, I have been with my partner 17 years this year so that is basically half my life.

Yes, Ive had relationships with prostitutes, and yes, Ive made them come…I guess you are the one naive about that, to make just a blatent statement like its true…

Interesting statement you have made here, do you mean ‘relationship’ like as in you were a regular client or that as their ‘day job’ they were prostitutes and you were their non paying partner when they wernt working?

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 19:38:08 B. R.

First, Sam, congradulations on your relationship , and Im glad to hear it

Second, both , I dont have anything against paying for profesionals and , in between breakups, when I didnt want to just go out and exploit a women when I knew the last thing I wanted to do was get into an emotional relationship, this came in very handy…I think prostitution should be legal…and some of the girls were cold blooded and werent interested in orgasm and others were anything but cold blooded and came , and I guarentee you they werent faking it

Ive got a comment in moderation, basicly that you did go into details after your model story about how you like “real” women with hair on their genitals and how your implications about shaved female genitals being to imitate children for the model bosses..I mean Sam, you cant say that its ok for you but implicate only real women have hair on their genitals and shaved female genitals immitate little boys without there being some negative implication ” ah, you like female shaven genitals, models did it because they were suposed to look like little children…but, its ok, you do your thing , what ever makes you happy ( you little pedophile you)”

and, you do know that asking me why I want to look at other women in porn while Im married, implying that isnt natural ( I dont think you meant that as “gee i dont know, please enlighten me…” its more like ” wow, how can you do that when you are married” ) is implicating any married couple who happens to look at porn ….you cant just make a statement like that about me and not include every married couple who do use porn

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 19:40:19 B. R.

omnipresent, sorry, I mixed your post up with sam, congradulations

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on Mon May 13th 2013 at 20:24:21 sam

@BR:

I have no idea what obsession you have on genitals but yes, I believe that if you really like hairless female genitals more than ones with at least some hair, if you really get more aroused by the sight of hairless female genitals, you are at some level getting exited from signs which implicate pre pubertetic condition. But like I’ve said million times: that is just my opinion. I am not denying anybody doing anything or enjoying anything, as long as they do not hurt anybody and it is done between considerate adults.

If you feel like a pedophile I can not help you. It is your own mind telling you those things. If you are ok with your thing, you have no reason to get so irritated about these things. If you are ok with your sexuality, whats the problem? Who cares what I say?? I’m just one person, one individual with one opinion. Why bother?

As for watching porn, if and when I am in a relationship I have no need for porn. Granted, my longest realtionship lasted only 8 years, relatively short time, but still I had no need for porn during it. I got more exciting stuff in real life than from porn. Same with my other relationships. But hey, thats just me. You do what ever you do. Why you get so animated if everything is ok?

You like porn, I don’t. It is that simple. Whats bugging you? You feel guilty? You feel I judge you? That is all in your own mind, man. You are free to do as you wish, for all I care. It is your life. You can do what ever you want. I am not judging you at all. I just like more the real sex with real people and find porn a waste of time and money. What is so wrong in that? Why that is bothering you?

As for the prostitution, as much as I see down sides in it, I also happen to believe it should be legal occupation. That way the women and men in that busines could pay taxes, get insurances, health care, and most of all: police protection and legal protection. That could help them.

As for prostitutes having orgasms at work, I think it is better that I won’t comment that no more.

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on Tue May 14th 2013 at 11:13:19 B. R.

“I believe that if you really like hairless female genitals more than ones with at least some hair, if you really get more aroused by the sight of hairless female genitals, you are at some level getting exited from signs which implicate pre pubertetic condition. But like I’ve said million times: that is just my opinion. I am not denying anybody doing anything or enjoying anything, as long as they do not hurt anybody and it is done between considerate adults.”

Sam, I guess you dont see the implication…great that you say “its only my opinion…” but, your opinion isnt too favorable , it does have your judgement inside …your opinion

So, when you give your opinion that to you, someone getting pleasure out of shaved female genitila are signs which implicae pre pubertetic condition , that I sound like Im 19, and why would I want to see porn if I am in a relationship , which also implicates anyone else in a relationship who also likes porn…there is a judgement in …your opinion…

When you insist on your point that you like having “real sex”, with “real women”, it seems confusing or redundant…I mean, I like having “real sex” with “real women” as much as you…Im not sure what that has to do with anything about porn…except you dont like it…which , I have …no opinion … or judgement , what so ever….about whether you like porn or not…unlike your built in judgegement in your opinion

Dont worry , Sam, I have no hang ups or over reactions about your opinion, it has absolutly no bearing on my living my life, I just think its very important to come in on a subject on this blog, and , discuss and argue that I dont agree with your type of opinion, exactly because it is a judgemental opinion,..just like I dont agree with anyone judging people finding their sexuality or repressing sensuality like the people who would call women in string bikinis being sexualy exploited (not saying this is your opinion, Sam)

Its important to let you know that what you are saying may be your opinion, but, it is judgemental , and its good to put on the table an oposing point of view based on your opinion

and, frankly, Im surprised …I really am, you have always come off as having some kind of world knowledge, traveled a lot, lots of experiances, I would think your opinion about porn or shaved female genital area, wouldnt have that judgemental tone in it…I really would rather beleive you just are trying to bust my chops because I bump your head so hard on the international threads..I mean that would be easiar to beleive…Im really surprised…..

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on Tue May 14th 2013 at 11:36:13 B. R.

I guess its fun for people who have never been marraid to speculate what it could or couldnt be like…I guess its conveniant to mention, against the testimony of someone who claims they have had great intimicy with their partner in marraidge over a long period, the spectrum of long term marraidges that could be a disaster

Hey, cyber internet interactions are a bunch of cyber blips from people hiding behind their computor screens, it all is an abstract ilusion, people can be lying 6 ways silly and mostly what is said wouldnt be spoken face to face outside of the hidden safety of not having to speak eyeball to eyeball

Actualy, a blog like Abagonds , I find opinions about general subjects can be quite informative, and personal psychological analysis and accuasations, to be some of the most meaningless bantor of all

People can beleive or not beleive what they want, at the end of the day, they have to turn off thier computor and go back to their real lives….eventualy they have to look in the mirror , and face their real life reality…that is the real story

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on Mon Jun 3rd 2013 at 15:15:06 King

I wonder how much racism is sexually transmitted by porn? I mean, porn is probably one of the few places where “anything goes” and things that would be unacceptable anywhere else are allowed if not outright encouraged.

For example (as has been mentioned above) how often are non-White women portrayed based on the most juvenile and racist stereotypes that would never be excused in any other forum? And how many young men are then exposed to these depictions in their formative years and subconsciously assume attitudes and opinions about non-White women, based on the only sexual reference point that they have ever really had with them?

The point I’m making is not that White women are not also exploited and misrepresented by certain porno fantasies, but that in their case enough counter images and examples exist to bring some balance to the equation. Often, women of color do not have that buffer.

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on Mon Jun 3rd 2013 at 15:25:47 B. R.

King, for me, contemporary porn, like you can find at porn hub, has everything

I can find white women being demeaned and protrayed in degrading sexual circumstances also, but, I can also find women of all colors in very well done sexual portrayals…for sure there are men and women who have degraded and been degraded , who do seek out videos that affect their experiances…I might not agree with it , or find some just too differant from what Im into, but, Im not going to only let what I like go ahead and deprive other people of what they like…any racist who gets off on black women being abused has their own issues to deal with …it relfects on their taste more than pornografy in general

Also, I noticed there are a lot of people who say “these kind of people flock to see this and that…”

Well, on porn hub, they have the amount of views on each video, so you can really see if there is some kind of extra overt pattern of what people are viewing…and it really doesnt play out to anyone’s stereotype ive seen mentioned on this blog so often

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on Mon Jun 3rd 2013 at 15:59:03 King

@ BR Well, as you see above, I say that the problem is just that WOC are often portrayed in racist ways that are then sexualized, but that in the context of a racist society, they do not benefit from the same proportion of non-racist, positive images. This puts non-White women at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to their portrayals.

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on Sun Oct 13th 2013 at 16:43:39 Bulanik

These masturbation videos are a delight to listen to and watch:

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUARpT4JJew)

Watching the eyes and fingers of this reader is a revelation:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oNptc-IKeI)

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on Sun Oct 13th 2013 at 17:36:25 Bulanik

It is not actually the “watching” element of these – recitals – that is of interest.
It’s that the women are also enjoying more than one facet of what pleases them — in this case, a piece of writing. There is also independence and selfishness of their pleasure, which is entirely their own…

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEx2zQ_0Inc)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRC2UH9X27Y)

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on Sun Oct 13th 2013 at 17:40:26 Bulanik

Why are the comments here in moderation?

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on Tue Oct 15th 2013 at 19:40:08 Bulanik

This Spanish-speaking reader is not speaking in English, but her reaction is no less captivating because of that…
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpkiH76mXzY)

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on Tue Oct 15th 2013 at 19:55:44 Bulanik

What watching the women above reminds me of is drawing or painting many many nudes – some men, some women – and trying to capture the individual “look” of that person. It didn’t matter if the person was idealistically and obviously “beautiful”, but my eye would always find something to focus on that would reveal the truth of their personal eroticism, something intense and interior… It could be revealed by the texture of skin, muscle tone, a scar, something. It was extremely individual, like the each of the women’s orgasms shown above. A good drawing or painting has that power: when you see it — it makes you feel something.

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on Tue Dec 3rd 2013 at 17:20:31 Bulanik

I wonder how much racism is sexually transmitted by porn? I mean, porn is probably one of the few places where “anything goes” and things that would be unacceptable anywhere else are allowed if not outright encouraged…

For example (as has been mentioned above) how often are non-White women portrayed based on the most juvenile and racist stereotypes that would never be excused in any other forum? And how many young men are then exposed to these depictions in their formative years and subconsciously assume attitudes and opinions about non-White women, based on the only sexual reference point that they have ever really had with them?….

Agreed.
Is it so simply like this: “Hey folks, just plug into our porn hub! There’s something for everyone here, porn is only a sex-feast! Let’s just kick back our heels and switch our brains off and enjoy the banquette, porn caters to everyone…it’s so cool, just supply to a simple demand… because real sex is liberated from all that “racism” and “sexism” stuff because everything is free and equal and multi-ethnic and incorporates any and every…”
Is it really so? Do things happen in a vacuum like this?

Personally, I see the porn industry as an industry, like any other.
Like the music or television industries: recognizing that doesn’t make a person somehow “anti-music” or “anti-entertainment” because he or she recognizes how corrupted, damaging or racist those industries are and have been… The porn industry is no different, gonzo porn in particular; it’s pock-riddled with the dehumanization, lies and hypersexualization of PoC, black people especially.
I don’t mean to say the everyone is affected in the same way by it.
I’m talking about the highly frequent viewing of porn and regular+plus viewing by pre-teens especially, who fall into porn body and soul, and try to reproduce their life experiences on what they have seen of sex on film. Apparently the average age for that porn-consumption is around 11 or 12 years of age, so its influence shouldn’t be ignored.
http://www.mid-day.com/relationships/2012/may/110512-People-start-watching-pornography-at-early-age-Study.htm

But because porn is perceived — by the mainstream — as somehow not a serious commentary on society, belonging to the private sphere, or embarrassing or not exactly “respectable”, etc., the part it plays as a cultural lubricant for racism is under-estimated and infrequently discussed.
Yet, it’s a massive industry.
The fact is, in the popular gonzo form, it is the common entry-point for racist (and, of course, sexist) stereotyping.
It is widely available and a medium where no-one, loudly or often, seems to questions anything, where no-one filmed and done to has any vulnerability or rights to any boundaries, where nothing is filtered and where there is no defence of the objects (racialized people) who are penetrated, or used as ever-ready f*ck-toys. I
It permeates like a pervasive open-secret. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzo_pornography

The porn industry relies on Orientalist and racist fetishes, just in the way it was once common practice to place Africans on the auction block — they were reduced to body parts. Now, just because new “fetishes” spring up from time to time, just like new and fresh flavours or genres, adding digressions and spice to the menu, what does it change?
Why should consumers TRUST an industry with a reputation for hurt and degradation — simply because it is now more “inclusive”?

Just as enslaved Africans were auctioned as body parts, and were once human beings into marketable commodities and objects of desire — fetishes — to the covetous buyer, how is that kind of human trafficking so different to the human trafficking that affects the women and children in today’s sex industries and markets? (Some of that forced activity is filmed of course, offering so much to porn banquette.)

What has always concerned me about pornography is the way it makes sexuality a commodity. Gail Dines, a sociologist who has studied the social effects of pornography, says that porn *hijacks* and sexualizes what is cruel and brutal, and inserts that normalized violence back into our minds as though it were perfectly normal. Then we are told there is a “demand” for it, a demand which is created, to the point where it becomes part of the way we think about sex, and carry out sexual activities on the bodies of Others.

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on Tue Dec 3rd 2013 at 17:21:36 Bulanik

Gail Dines outlining how porn has hijacked our sexuality:

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37veiMezrDk)

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on Sat Dec 21st 2013 at 20:20:44 Curtis Neeley

Pornography than can be accessed without logging-in in some authenticated way is the heart of the organized crime ring broadcasting “obscene, indecent, or profane material” by Wi-Fi radio. Go GOOG!
Neeley v FCCs et al, (5:13-cv-5293) of http://TheEndofPornbyWire.org is the class action styled complaint filed due to individual violations of law.
Free pornography ruined one generation already but should not be allowed now to continue violating numerous federal laws.

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on Sun Apr 20th 2014 at 14:15:25 v8driver

http://wearechange.org/yahoo-webcam-images-millions-users-intercepted-gchq/

“GCHQ files dating between 2008 and 2010 explicitly state that a surveillance program codenamed Optic Nerve collected still images of Yahoo webcam chats in bulk and saved them to agency databases, regardless of whether individual users were an intelligence target or not.In one six-month period in 2008 alone, the agency collected webcam imagery – including substantial quantities of sexually explicit communications – from more than 1.8 million Yahoo user accounts globally.”

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on Mon Jun 30th 2014 at 05:31:07 leigh204

I found out about porn through my father’s secret stash in the closet. He had amassed quite the collection of nudie mags and accoutrements for pleasure.

He didn’t know I found them until he caught me perusing a magazine and giggling at the naked figures engaging in copulation.

Heh, I admit I watch porn videos and I’m not ashamed to admit it, but it gets quite boring.The real thing is so much better.

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on Fri Jan 2nd 2015 at 13:31:24 thwack

Facebook, twitter; social media in general is porn for females because women are turned on by attention.

me, me, me, me ,me…

and more me.

The ability of even a loser woman to get constant electronic attention from digital simps is the reason women have such inflated opinions of themselves and lack true creativity and introspection.

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on Fri Jan 2nd 2015 at 14:47:35 abagond

@ Pumpkin

Porn has never been so readily available, so it could have some pretty bad effects, like the lead pipes of Rome.

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on Fri Jan 2nd 2015 at 19:00:21 Omnipresent

thwack

Facebook, twitter; social media in general is porn for females because women are turned on by attention

lol, a generic statement if ever I heard one but not totally untrue (I hope) cos it certainly is nice to look at an attractive woman.

The ability of even a loser woman to get constant electronic attention from digital simps is the reason women have such inflated opinions of themselves and lack true creativity and introspection.

Now that just sounds bitter.

It also makes you understand that there is a double standard going on as women are still expected to make themselves attractive to men and no offense, I have seen some beasts walking with some gorgeous females. Think women are maybe less superficial and look at the heart of a man more….maybe.

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on Wed Jan 7th 2015 at 02:43:55 sharinalr

@Pumpkin

I personally find it hard to believe anyone is into porn in this day and age. It really is extremely fake compared to some old school stuff. The addiction seems to make young people socially awkward. I have to include women in this because some are actually addicted too. Though I think women handle the addiction quite well. It does not seem to affect them in the same manner or at all.

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on Wed Jan 7th 2015 at 02:57:44 sharinalr

@Omnipresent

Please slap me three times for what I am about to say….

I agree with thwack. Women are addicted to attention or shall I say the majority of women I am friends with on facebook. They post things from the clothes they wear to the food they are about to eat. The food is taking it way too far. Speaking purely for myself I seek attention at times subconsciously and in general I am not an attention type person. For example on facebook I don’t post anything about my life, but in public I might gloat about a good deed to have people say good job. This is not often but it has happened enough for me to notice my need for attention.

“Think women are maybe less superficial and look at the heart of a man more….maybe.”—Yes and no. I think women tend to seek out the best opportunity at times (definitely not all women). I personally have found men (in my family especially) can overlook facial flaws if said woman is willing to do some basic things. Cook, clean, etc.

Taking into account my aunt she chose a not so great looking man (looks like a thin Mr. Brown from Tyler Perry movies). She is with him because he takes care of her and she was going on 40 and still single. My sister did the same thing with her recent guy though I have to give him credit as he is no eye sore. I guess it really depends on the circumstances but in many cases I have found that a beast of a man is acceptable if they will take care of said woman.

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on Wed Jan 7th 2015 at 03:11:42 lifelearner

^^^^
Prime example: JayZ & Younce

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on Wed Jan 7th 2015 at 03:17:18 sharinalr

@lifelearner

ROFL!!! You are so wrong, but I am glad you said what I was thinking.

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on Thu Jan 8th 2015 at 22:56:03 Omnipresent

sharinaL

Please slap me three times for what I am about to say….

No, I dont hit women, you are entitled to your opinion.

I agree with thwack. Women are addicted to attention or shall I say the majority of women I am friends with on facebook. They post things from the clothes they wear to the food they are about to eat. The food is taking it way too far. Speaking purely for myself I seek attention at times subconsciously and in general I am not an attention type person. For example on facebook I don’t post anything about my life, but in public I might gloat about a good deed to have people say good job. This is not often but it has happened enough for me to notice my need for attention.

Dunno about this about a lot of women. I see my kids facebook and I see young ladies posing and posturing in ways that I dont remember from my school days. I dont know whether its more confidence or more media pressure causing the youth to do all this. Its quite scary the kind of narcissism.

“Think women are maybe less superficial and look at the heart of a man more….maybe.”—Yes and no. I think women tend to seek out the best opportunity at times (definitely not all women). I personally have found men (in my family especially) can overlook facial flaws if said woman is willing to do some basic things. Cook, clean, etc.

Yes but are those same men faithful? Not asking you about your family in particular but theoretically and I can say to you that from my experience seeing a lot of my peers, sound, hardworking decent seeming men I know the answer is no. Often it is the most surprising of men too, those that appear to have it all but perhaps their lady has put on a bit of weight or looks a little tired after running round with the kids or I guess, a disinterest in sex – thats the kicker for a lot of men that causes them to sniff around elsewhere. A lot of men want it ALL and even though they age badly and stop taking care of themselves they still want that hottie on their arm.

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on Thu Jan 8th 2015 at 23:42:38 sharinalr

@Omnipresent

“No, I dont hit women, you are entitled to your opinion.”—-:) I was just a little shocked I agreed with him on something.

“I dont know whether its more confidence or more media pressure causing the youth to do all this. Its quite scary the kind of narcissism.”—It maybe a little bit of both. I don’t consider myself young and many of the women I speak of are my age and older. Some married and some not, but they have a need to post their life on social media. Everyday. Several posts. The check-in feature has made it worse and some of these women are checking in for getting on the freeway.

“Yes but are those same men faithful? Not asking you about your family in particular but theoretically and I can say to you that from my experience seeing a lot of my peers, sound, hardworking decent seeming men I know the answer is no. Often it is the most surprising of men too, those that appear to have it all but perhaps their lady has put on a bit of weight or looks a little tired after running round with the kids or I guess, a disinterest in sex – thats the kicker for a lot of men that causes them to sniff around elsewhere. A lot of men want it ALL and even though they age badly and stop taking care of themselves they still want that hottie on their arm.”—I get you and I agree. I have seen this as well.

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on Mon May 2nd 2016 at 20:49:46 v8driver

eh well anyway my reticence i think towards writing my 5th step is a lot to do with sex. porn just, played out to the end, gives me an embarassing self-body loathing etc.? and if that ish was to happen in irl it’s just a sea of disease, like neruda said the priest that eats the poisoned apple of prostitution, porn is addictive, and psychologically detrimental due to a lack of reality akin to psychosis or some real caveman bs, idk, it goes along with the substance abuse for me and also irl sex addiction too, omg, forget the ppl’s names who knows if they’re real anyway, i just had enough, it’s like pushing your luck at some point and that requires faith in something that’s not real

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on Mon May 2nd 2016 at 22:07:31 curtisneeley

Jimm Larry Hendren’s addiction to free anonymous access to pornography as a new human right for elderly judges resulted in ruling the moral right to repent for past visual creations was not allowed online.

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on Mon May 2nd 2016 at 23:34:58 v8driver

cf ‘why i don’t drink anymore’

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on Wed Oct 19th 2016 at 13:50:42 Herneith

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-10/11/5/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web14/sub-buzz-29077-1476178404-11.jpg?no-auto

Don’t ask me how they came up with this!

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on Tue Dec 4th 2018 at 02:41:40 abagond

Update: Tumblr, which was kind of the Wild West of porn, will be banning porn as of December 17th. Tumblr has lately been fighting off porn bots. Unable to filter out all the child porn, it has been pulled from Apple’s App Store.

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on Tue Dec 4th 2018 at 03:28:58 Mary Burrell

We can all say goodbye to Tumblr

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on Tue Dec 4th 2018 at 16:23:13 CurtisNeeleyJr

Starbucks will block porn in 2019 in their free WiFi. Distribution of free poem by WiFi should already be prosecuted as the crime it has always been. It looks as though America is slowly realizing the harm porn does to human dignity.

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on Wed Dec 5th 2018 at 05:44:03 gro jo

How come Satanforce’s commenthasn’t been erased as he requested?

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on Thu Dec 6th 2018 at 17:54:08 abagond

@ gro jo

“How come Satanforce’s commenthasn’t been erased as he requested?”

Huh? What do you mean?

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on Fri Dec 7th 2018 at 00:37:52 gro jo

I seem to recall a post by him or a comment by you that he no longer cared to be associated with your blog. Apparently I’m wrong.

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