Note: Whites and Natives means the forefathers of White and Native people of the US, even though they rarely called themselves that back then.
In the 1500s Westerners viewed Natives as wild men, as savages. There were two opposing stereotypes:
- noble savages – kind, honest, innocent, backward but open to the Christian faith – and to trade. Fellow sons of Adam.
- brutal savages – violent, cruel, crafty, fearsome, without shame or morals, half-naked, dirty, given to cannibalism and strange customs. Half-men, probably in league with the Devil.
Those who wanted their land tended to see them as brutal savages. Others – like explorers, traders, philosophers, Christian missionaries (particularly Dominicans and Jesuits) – tended to see them as noble savages.
The First Savages: In the English-speaking world the first savages were not the natives of North America but of Ireland. By the late 1500s the English saw the “wild Irish”, whose land they were taking, as half-naked nomads who were not making proper use of the land, who lacked a sense of private property, who had no government, morals, shame or true religion (Protestantism). Thus dehumanized, killing them or taking their land did not seem immoral. If anything, it was God’s will.
In 1575, for example, Lord Essex killed 600 Irish on Rathlin Island and then said:
How godly a deed it is to overthrow so wicked a race the world may judge: for my part I think there cannot be a greater sacrifice to God.
North America was Ireland writ large. In fact, many who took part in the creation of White America, people like Sir Walter Raleigh, John Cabot and Lord De La Warre, had interests in Ireland. Much of the self-serving ideology for dehumanizing Natives to take their land was already in place when Whites stepped onto the shores of North America.
By all accounts, Natives were at first noble, surprisingly so. But Whites, even by their own accounts, were brutal, shamelessly so.
In 1637, for example, John Mason killed 400 to 700 Natives at Mystic, men, women and children, and then said:
Thus the Lord was pleased to smite our enemies in the hinder parts and to give us their land for an inheritance.
Notice:
- the land theft,
- the disproportionate violence and
- the rationalizations of religion rather than race.
All that goes back to Ireland.
Violence: Whites would egg Natives into violence or use Native violence against lawless Whites on the frontier as an excuse for overwhelming force to drive Natives off their land. Whites wiped out tribes, burned crops, sold Natives into slavery, raped and kidnapped.
God was on their side, Whites believed. It was God’s will that they take over North America. The smallpox epidemics, massacres and success in war proved it.
Whites made little attempt to create a multiracial society. Even Natives who became Christians were kept apart from Whites. By the 1670s they were seen as more Native than Christian – race was beginning to matter more than religion.
Into this world came Africans.
– Abagond, 2013.
Source: Mostly “Race in North America” (2012) by Audrey Smedley and Brian D. Smedley.
See also:
Just wondering if you dug up some Irish and Native American accounts of the English from the late 16th century & early 17th century.
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Wonder how many massacres were done by African tribal nations in the name of their deity or any other petty excuse? We will never know the savagery conducted because it was not recorded but I can guarantee there was many, many acts of brutality conducted by Africans.
Oh and being part Irish, should I embrace the mindsets of the black racist whom infests this blog and hate the British like they do the white Americans?
I am afraid it does not sway my feelings for the British or the Irish not one bit, as I do not get emotional over historical events which cannot be changed.
Also, everyone here blames the white man for slavery but never gives the white man credit for ending it…..hmmm
signed,
Not a sock puppet of October(just needed to change the name)
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Whoa. I do remember the stories about the Irish Famine – the English Lords were shipping them off to Canada just to grab more land.”During the famine approximately 1 million people died and a million more emigrated from Ireland” -(Wikipedia) – sad.
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@ Chris Columbus, what are you blah blahing about?Oh we should be sooo happy that the White Man ended his own evil before someone did it for him.
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Once again, Abagond pretends to give a shlt about Indians to justify his racism against whites.
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White people, go away, u bring nothing positive to the discussion …Just a lot of horsecrap.
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@Christopher Columbus
FYI you may want to consider notifying abagond before you change names again at risk of being banned.
As for the rest of what you said. There are tribal war accounts, but I have long since been tired of doing the education work for lazy trolls such as yourself who don’t want to look it up.
As to the hate of the british…you do realize that some of those people were actually European and not the American blacks you believe them to be. In fact you might want to avoid assuming everyone here is black.
“as I do not get emotional over historical events which cannot be changed.”—So says the man that rants over nothing.
“Also, everyone here blames the white man for slavery but never gives the white man credit for ending it…..hmmm”—Then you would not mind finding my post where I blamed the white man for slavery. Please take all the time you need as I am a patient soul. 🙂
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As for the post at hand I will kindly read at a later time.
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I know, so proud to be totally ignorant, Africa had civilizations and institutions of higher learning that have never been rivaled by the europeans , where cunieform was taught and a mandatory 40 day fast had to be completed before one could even think about studying there. Herodoyus studied in an institution like this, I mean, please.
And Africa is a continent comprised of many peoples and many nations which of these is this person referring to? I bet he doesn’t have a basic grasp of any of the myriad peoples and cultures of Africa but when he speaks we r supposed tpo head cause he is white.
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And let’s face it , white men in their never-ending jealousy and consciousness of their physical inferiorities looked at these beautiful native men knew their women lusted after them and yearned for the simplicity and beauty that a life with men like this had to offer and know they would butcher these people.The men first of course. That is the white man, whatever they feel inferior to they slaughter.
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@Jean Patton Who would force us to end it? LOL Nobody on earth could stop the white man from doing anything unless its another white man..That is a fact!
Again I see no gratitude
@Deepdkchocolate Keep believing afrocentric lies and historical fantasies if it makes you feel better…but alas I know Afrocentrism just tickles your low self esteem lol smh
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@October
Keep up the sock puppetry and you will find yourself banned. This is the second time I notified you, but when abagond sees he might not care.
As to everything else you claim. Looks like over compensation for a small man with a small mind. 🙂
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Da Jokah,
Once again, Abagond pretends to give a shlt about Indians to justify his racism against whites.
And once again, you pretend to care about white people. 🙂
Abagond,
I was thinking; maybe one day, you can do a post about the white man’s god.
Christopher Columbus,
Wonder how many massacres were done by African tribal nations in the name of their deity or any other petty excuse? We will never know the savagery conducted because it was not recorded but I can guarantee there was many, many acts of brutality conducted by Africans.
Oh and being part Irish, should I embrace the mindsets of the black racist whom infests this blog and hate the British like they do the white Americans?
I am afraid it does not sway my feelings for the British or the Irish not one bit, as I do not get emotional over historical events which cannot be changed.
Also, everyone here blames the white man for slavery but never gives the white man credit for ending it…..hmmm
When did you come back from the grave? LOL
I have an interesting question. You said you don’t get emotional over historical events that can’t be changed. Does that also go for events like the 4th of July, the bombing of Pearl Harbor, The Kennedy Assassination that recently celebrated it’s 50th anniversary (As a side note, this is a celebration of a brutal killing of a human being. Think about that.) or even 9-11?
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@Jean Patton
I don’t know about you, but I can think of a few things that white men have had to do that they don’t want to do for the sake of their survival. This is why we pay October/Christopher Columbus no mind because lazy people don’t deserve to be rewarded. 🙂
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@Sharina
Looks like someone is brown nosing for a mod position…
I changed my SN because I wanted to change it. I also stated my old SN in my other post. DO you not know the definition of a sock puppet?
You need to look it up
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It;s a darned shame when one STRIVES to come off as smug and superior, not lofty and intellectual, just smug and superior.. Ur not very good @ it as u and everyone here know that u don’t have a thing to feel smug and superior about, ur tiresome and boring and never had an independent thought in ur life.
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@Christopher Columbus
I gave you some friendly advice. I don’t do brown nosing. Any other advice will cease any friendly nature
“I changed my SN because I wanted to change it”—You need to check comment policy. You don’t get the option to change your name without first notifying Abagond. Others have been banned for doing the same thing you are well on your way.
” also stated my old SN in my other post.”—That is nice but you are also changing back and forth and not sticking to one and had you read comment policy you would know this.
” DO you not know the definition of a sock puppet?”—the definition of sock puppet you may want to use has little relevence to the one that is used here. Now because your brand of stupid is showing I will let you know that there are different definition to sock puppet. Which one shall we use? Oh how about “A false identity adopted by trolls and other malcontents to support their own postings.” or An attempt by a person banned from a forum to circumvent the ban by creating a new account under a new identity.”
Last one because that is potentially you. 🙂
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And considering we just had someone (asplund) pull a similar trick. I am not sure you warrant any type of leniency.
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@Brotha Wolf
We celebrate certain events in history but do not wallow in them. 911 is a recent event which I witnessed but I do not wallow in it. The scumbags responsible for it are slowly leaving this earth. You cannot change the past so there is no reason to get emotional over it…PERIOD!
Anti-American, communist loving, race card shuffling, afrocentric fantasy believing, white man hating and democratic party slaves on this blog must come to the realization that there is no racism holding anybody down, stopping anybody from achieving anything. Those are lies the liberal left media tells you. Those are lies your white liberal slave master tells you. Those are lies the race industry CEOs tell you. Those are lies ABAGOND TELLS YOU…wake up.
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@ Christopher Columbus
Or those are things people have experience. Moving on.
Still waiting on you to prove:
“Also, everyone here blames the white man for slavery but never gives the white man credit for ending it…..hmmm”—Then you would not mind finding my post where I blamed the white man for slavery.
Also that I hate white men, am a member of the democratic party, I can go ahead and tell you I am a bit Anti-American, I’m a communist lover, that I play the race card, and into afrocentric (not 100% sure what that is).
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@Sharina
Your ignorance is astounding! I changed my name because I wanted to. I did not hide my identity.
btw I have never been banned on this blog but I am sure abagond will do it eventually(He doesn’t like the truth posted on his blog)
Now begone! My little mod wannabee….thank you.
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@Sharina
Of course you are all those things(No surprise)
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@Christopher Columbus
I am sure not more astounding than yours.
“I changed my name because I wanted to. I did not hide my identity.”—That is all dandy but in case it went over your head (reading comprehension must be a b) someone did something similar and got banned for it, so like I was saying. You may not get the same leeway. DO you understand? or was that just wayyy to complicated?
“btw I have never been banned on this blog but I am sure abagond will do it eventually(He doesn’t like the truth posted on his blog).”—So point to where Is aid you were banned? Oh this is where your stupid shows. Nevermind. 🙂
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@Christopher Columbus
Since I am all those things then it should be easy for you to provide proof with quotes. 🙂
Again I am patient.
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@Sharina
Read the drivel you posted last…particularly the last comment describing your thought on who I am…and get back to me…smh
The ignorance….The Ignorance…..
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@Christopher Columbus
My god man are you really that dumb!!! Can you read? I mean seriously?!
None of my post are focused on who you are so what in the heck are you even talking about? and if I did decide to focus on who you are it would not provide proof to me being any of the following.
1. Hate white men (disliking you is not disliking white men)
2. am a member of the democratic party
3. I’m a communist lover
4. that I play the race card
5. into afrocentric
6. blames the white man for slavery
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Chrissy Columbus, you are getting all upset for not any good reasons. Maybe you are ashamed that what ABAGOND posts here is The TRUTH. History can be mind-numbing for people such as yourself who cannot do any qualified reading and studying of facts that white people have already authenticated about themselves. These are qualified, intelligent discussions, not miserable rants based on soul wrenching GUILT.
Da Jokah there is no pretense in pointing out what white people do. Own up.
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Christopher Columbus,
We celebrate certain events in history but do not wallow in them. 911 is a recent event which I witnessed but I do not wallow in it. The scumbags responsible for it are slowly leaving this earth. You cannot change the past so there is no reason to get emotional over it…PERIOD!
First of all, who said that we wanted to change history???
Second, who said we were wallowing in history? Why can’t we just learn it, learn the kind of history censored from public education? I see as way better than just pretend that it didn’t exist or that it didn’t matter as opposed to moments that make some people “proud to be an American”.
Anti-American, communist loving, race card shuffling, afrocentric fantasy believing, white man hating and democratic party slaves on this blog must come to the realization that there is no racism holding anybody down, stopping anybody from achieving anything. Those are lies the liberal left media tells you. Those are lies your white liberal slave master tells you. Those are lies the race industry CEOs tell you. Those are lies ABAGOND TELLS YOU…wake up.
Here we go with the no-racism, anti-liberal, pseudo-patriotic, racism-denial, broken-record response. You are one of the angriest white men I’ve ever encountered online it seems.
Regardless of what you say, racism does exist. Just because you don’t see it, doesn’t mean it’s not there. Therefore, you are in no position to tell me it’s not there when I’ve experienced and witnessed it in my lifetime. You can’t tell me that it was a case of me hallucinating or being too sensitive no matter how much you want to rule over my mind and emotions. I’m not as docile as you think I am.
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I’ve never seen someone who was so absolutely bugged out about others “hating” them. Especially when the people who “hate” them have been the ones breaking their necks time and again to reach out and work and coexist peacefully with them. In all his secure boasting of his people’s inherent superiority, he allows massive amounts of insecurity to bleed through.
Also, please note how our friend Christopher is doing everything he can to short-circuit and derail the topic discussion at hand. Anything to avoid discussing some of the darker aspects of America’s great history, apparently. But such reservations disappear when it comes time to laser target the inadequacies of the black community, African tribes, etc.
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Mack Lyons,
Also, please note how our friend Christopher is doing everything he can to short-circuit and derail the topic discussion at hand. Anything to avoid discussing some of the darker aspects of America’s great history, apparently. But such reservations disappear when it comes time to laser target the inadequacies of the black community, African tribes, etc.
Oldest trick in the book. Christopher is using a page out of the old “How to Derail Anti-Racist Blogs” playbook.
Sorry, Christopher. We’re familiar with this. Try again.
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@ Christpher Columbus: Comment deleted for use of insulting language.
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@ Christopher Columbus
What does SN mean? Sock-puppet name?
You switched names correctly, but stop using “October” or you will be banned.
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@ Brothawolf
Yes, that is something I have in mind.
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Abagond,
I’ve been told by my mother that God was loving, understanding and forgiving. Yet, when I hear how God was used as an excuse by whites to rob, enslave, murder and rape indigenous people, it made me question faith on several levels.
God was on their side, Whites believed. It was God’s will that they take over North America. The smallpox epidemics, massacres and success in war proved it.
If God was a loving God, then whites back then and today believe that God only loves white men, that he created the Earth just for them, that everyone else is an enemy of whites and therefore is an enemy of God. And that whatever cruel act white folks do to nonwhites is what God wants. So, the eradication of Native Americans, the enslavement of Africans, the bombing of the Japanese, the wars in the Middle East and other examples is God’s will, or so white folks think.
Sorry for kinda stepping out of the subject.
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It’s interesting, given the history of oppression by the British in Ireland, that so many Irish kin would eventually emigrate to America at different times in history, sometimes in enormous numbers (like the Great Famine). Their presence in America has brought something unique and beautiful.
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@ Brothawolf
The way I think of it is that most White Americans practise a Fake Christianity. The brutal savage stereotype was projection: it was Whites who lacked morals, shame, true religion, etc. If God was on their side, then God is Satan.
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@ Legion
I will probably do those at some point. Right now I am more interested in chapter five when Blacks arrive on the scene, as implied by the last sentence of this post.
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@ kimlovesjozi
Fortunately for the Irish, most came 200 years later when the American racial hierarchy was already firmly in place, when their race mattered way more than their religion.
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I always say that a white man’s god is Satan to the rest of the world.
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if this all is true, which i’m sure it is, i think the interesting irish vector is how the catholic church picked up on ol hibernia anyway not sure about that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_Ireland
the history part something with all that christianity stuff sheesh
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White Americans are racist. Racist I tell you. So racist in fact that you must get as far, far away from them as possible.
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Great post as usual, Abagond. There’s so much history to reflect on about the founding and expansion of this country, and the horrible crime that was perpetrated by whites on the peaceful native people of this continent. Personally, I have only met a few Native people in my entire life because there are so few of them left. It’s heartbreaking to even think about. There is so much that has been arrogantly built on top of their sacred lands, roads that were laid down on their ancient trails, so many structures that have no business being where they are or even existing to begin with.
One place that comes to mind is West Virginia State Penitentiary (now closed), in Moundsville, WV, Since there have been numerous reports of paranormal activity in it there have been a number of paranormal investigation teams that have gone there.The town got it’s name from large, grass-covered mounds of earth in the area which were once Native burial sites. The entire area is sacred which means that that monstrosity of a prison sits on holy land, and this is just one example of the desecration that exists just about everywhere in this country. I personally believe that this lack of respect and regard for other people’s sacred places is something that must be corrected sooner or later.
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“The First Savages: In the English-speaking world the first savages were not the natives of North America but of Ireland. By the late 1500s the English saw the “wild Irish”, whose land they were taking, as half-naked nomads who were not making proper use of the land, who lacked a sense of private property, who had no government, morals, shame or true religion (Protestantism). Thus dehumanized, killing them or taking their land did not seem immoral. If anything, it was God’s will”.
Ha, ha, ha.
The poor Irish fought the English for 800 years, trying to get them out of Ireland. Now their f–king government has opened their doors & REAL savages from Africa have poured in & sucking the life blood from the Welfare system. They were even flying over to England claiming Social Welfare over there as well
Talk about parasites.
You would think they would be grateful to a people who have always helped the Black nations for years, but now the Irish see the Black for the parasite they always were.
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@ luckylarrysilverstein
Oh yea darn those blacks for taking advantage of the system.
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Bosnian-family-earning-over-121000-on-welfare-in-Ireland-130743648.html
I hope you enjoy this link as much as I enjoyed your foolish commentary. 🙂
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@ luckylarrysilvestein
It sounds like you don’t know what you’re talking about.
If you did, you’d be familiar with the rules that govern the Habitual Residency requirement covering social protection provisions in the Republic of Ireland… but you don’t, do you?
If you did, you would realize that eligibility under those directives are complex and “sucking” them out is rather difficult.
If you did, you’d know about the Nasc document, this one: Doras Luimní and Crosscare Migrant Project, from 2012, a document that shows us that the Irish Welfare System is riddled with delays, requests for unnecessary documentation, incorrect and unfair refusals, the use of racist language, and highly discriminatory reports from Officials in the service.
This means that ANY and ALL access to payments is a struggle for any non-Irish national, as well as every Irish national!!
Further, the Irish Gardai (Police) have found no evidence that suggests the migrant populations — in particular Africans — figure among Welfare cheats.
http://www.nascireland.org/latest-news/minister-for-social-protection-promises-reform-in-dept-of-social-protection-following-nasc-crosscare-doras-luimni/
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luckylarrysilverstein
The poor Irish fought the English for 800 years, trying to get them out of Ireland. Now their f–king government has opened their doors & REAL savages from Africa have poured in & sucking the life blood from the Welfare system. They were even flying over to England claiming Social Welfare over there as well
Talk about parasites.
You would think they would be grateful to a people who have always helped the Black nations for years, but now the Irish see the Black for the parasite they always were.
I take it you have a problem with black people. Also, you do realize this post is about white racism against Native Americans, or are you having trouble telling one savage from the next? 🙂
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True, the Irish parallel is a strong one, but in my experience, more commonly heard is the argument that the Welsh were conquered before the Irish (in the 13th century) and are probably the first of England’s colonies. What they did to the Welsh may have been a “practice run” for the later refinements they would subject other peoples to.
Land theft, massacres and religion were definitely included in the genocide for resources in Wales. Attitudes are interwoven in the words, so there are linguistics hints to the legacy between Welsh and the English which reveal how they perceived the vanquished:
the Welsh word for the English is “Lloegr”, which means “lands that are lost”. The Welsh word for themselves — “Cymru” — means “the land of friends”.
Contrast that to the Old English word for Wales. This means “the land of the strangers”.
The conquest of Wales: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK_aYnMycJI
http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question34456.html
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Brothawolf, your moral righteousness is truly admirable. Way to put that supremely Evil white in his place.
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Any word on the knockout game? Scary stuff white people have to deal with in America. Glad I live in Canada!
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^ So am I
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“Any word on the knockout game? Scary stuff white people have to deal with in America. Glad I live in Canada!”
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Here are a few words which may be of interest : the knockout game sounds eerily reminiscent of the “happy slapping game” that was going around various parts of Europe, particularly Britain, a few years back:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_slapping
Thing is, though it was called happy slapping, it sometimes went much farther than a slap:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-533471/The-public-sick-tired-yobs-judge-says-jails-teens-beat-man-death.html
(Oh, and in the above linked article, the British man who was beaten death in a happy slapping game [he probably wished he was living in Canada too] was indeed white … and so are his murderers.)
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*beaten to death
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Re: I wonder if there is a context to English and European “happy slapping”?
Happy Slaps first came to English media’s attention in around Autumn 2004.
At this time the Labour government was trying to curb what it considered the anti-social behaviour of teenagers using militarized strategies.
This extended to :–
* city planning, where some “zones” were subject to curfew.
* strapping the ankles of potential offender with monitoring devices to ensure that they keep out of those No-Go areas.
Happy Slaps were not incidents that happened in private. Instead they are made-for- camera events — we are meant to see the suffering of the victim. After all, the city is a war-zone. Television had become a confessional and testimonial culture, where suffering is public and witnessed.
Earlier in 2004, England — in fact all of Europe — had all been exposed to the Abu Ghraib torture photos.
Was it a crazy synchronicity that Happy Slapping started a couple of months later?
Don’t the soldier-perpetrators appear happily enacting their sadism in their photos too? (Perhaps the dead, or merely sodomized, victims might have ALSO wished they were in Canada as well.)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA43BhdXUmw)
Also recalled:
-David Blaine torturing himself in various stunts in the late 1990s
-Jackass, the MTV programme from about 2000 onward, showing the funny, dangerous and humiliating.
-Big Brother — quite normal for inmates to inflictpain on the fellow housemates, for fun, and be watched by millions, in real time…
Idk if anyone knows what was in the minds of teenagers (and younger) who might have Happy Slapped, but I do believe they may have felt “entitled” to behave in the way they did because of what they had seen as “permissible”.
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^^ Almost forgot — photos of Saddam Hussein in his underpants.
These photos were leaked to the British press (a total accident, of course!)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4567341.stm
After that, officials will express how “deeply disturbed” by the publication of such degrading imagery, how much they condemn the photographer, the treatment of the prisoner. And that a full investigation will be launched to get to the bottom of it! The leak would have also accidentally let out Saddam Hussein’s location, too — and then — oops, stormed by armed forces “causing” the accidental demise of the culprit…
Sorry folks, no trial, but justice all the same…
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@Bulanik
There is something about a man destitute and in his underwear that breaks my hear.
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@ Sharina, yes.
There was something so wrong about the way that image was passed around. Followed by the way he was killed.
Then, all that denial and high moral ground rhetoric that came after.
It felt like a contrivance to deflect the public from what was really going on.
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why is it the british press does so much better than the american press with our vaunted ‘freedom of speech’
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i mean half the time a new story comes out it’s on the guardian (co.uk)
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v8, was the execution of Saddam Hussein shown in the US? I don’t remember how it was handled by the British press, but there was a phone video recording of the hanging taken by prison guard that was circulated on the net.
Also recall videos of Mummar Gaddafi’s humiliation and execution.
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@bulanik eh not on tv that i recall, i had to find it online, idk if it was on tv, but that type of thing is considered too extreme for tv in the us ie someone dying live (if that isn’t a mixed metaphor idk what is)
gadaffi showed up on cnn but not him actually getting shot just beat up by the crowd, and arafat too, that was something i will never forget when the helecopter came down into the crowd after his exile (that was on cnn), but those moments are rare and few
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@v8, sometimes it seems these stories are “leaked” accidentally on purpose — in the case of Saddam Hussein, I believe the disclosure of his whereabouts would’ve spurred insurgents to find him and do away with him in their own way, although it didn’t work out that way and he was put on trial.
These scenes ARE too extreme for TV, but, teenagers (and younger) do see this sort of thing, and copy it.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/saddam-hanging-sets-off-copycat-deaths-of-boys/21021/
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=4904242
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White People are scary stuff.
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Well, what we were taught as youngsters in elementary school about the first Thanksgiving is just a bunch of white washed hooey.
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@Dorisjean23
even scarier are brown/black people who share your mindset and live among the civilized.
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Kiwi,
To the Christopher Columbus ^ there, that didn’t happen. He doesn’t want to hear the sins and mistakes white people have caused. That would make him sad.
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For the curious: I found a description of the “indians” of “Virginia” by some englishman in the late XVII century (his name is “Tho. Glover”, but I can’t know anything else).
It’s here (Google Books): http://books.google.com.br/books?id=AWpUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA34&f=false (scroll down to p.38)
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The English might have seen the Irish as “wild”, but natives of the North American continent were initially depicted as inconsequential, harmless and “Natural” people in order to encourage their English to colonize them.
After the English conquered the Scots, the Welsh and the Irish, proclaiming themselves Kings and Princes of these people and their lands, they didn’t just automatically cross the oceans and carry on taming the “wild” men there. These Kings and Princes had to be encouraged. The arguments — or propaganda — for colonisation of the New World had to convince Queen Elizabeth (England’s rule during this age of discovery) and her advisors, to risk her ships and money.
The main propagandist behind this was Richard Hakluyt, an English writer and Protestant minister, who collaborated with Walter Raleigh to push not only the virtues of Protestantism in America, but also how sensible for the world it would be for the English to “plant” themselves there. After all, the soil “over there” was fertile, and according to Hakluyt, the land was simply there for the taking. He had never been there himself, but, no matter!
To his mind the people that lived there simply didn’t come into the equation — England could only GAIN from such an adventure; such was the spin.
Before England embarked on any dedicated colonial enterprise, there was no imagining of “difficulty” with “the Indians”. They presented no complications and no challenge. In fact, as a population, they were the stuff of insignificance — the main concern for men like Hakluyt was audience should act quickly and smartly by supplanting themselves before the Spanish got a foothold.
What was being sold to the English crown was that taking North America was not only a way for England to
1. gain land,
2. employ the jobless male population of English men, and,
3. gain religious dominance over Catholic Spain.
These strong Englishmen who begged and roamed England would no long be idle, instead, they could cut down trees and make more ships to fight the Spanish, further thwarting the Pope, who, at the time was “the Great Anti-Christ” in the eyes of English Protestants. There was aslo recognition by Hakluyt that an Englishman could trade with the natives and come out much richer for it because what the English considered “trinkets” and without value (like pots and pans, or alcohol) could be exchanged for far, far more valued commodities such as deer skins or gold.
It would be an absolute steal…
Elizabethans like Hakluyt had already read accounts of Spanish atrocities committed against the native peoples, like Bartolome de las Casas’s Account of the Destruction of the Indies. The Spanish were cruel and bloodthirsty: the English were not. The belief was that the native Americans, aka, the “Natural People”, would know the English to be better and different than any Spaniard, pulling away from the latter and coming under the protection of the former. After all, the English Protestant would treat them far better by mere fact of English-ness and religion…
http://www.rmg.co.uk/researchers/research-areas-and-projects/richard-hakluyt-conference
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^That makes sense, Thanks Bulanik.
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Ooh yeah. The “civilized” land-stealing, give ‘em diseased blankets, and let someone else do our work for nothing so we can make money and use them for footstools white people.
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@ Legion
I hope to do a bunch of Smedley chapters over the next week or so.
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^^ Me too! I’ve never heard of Smedley. This early North American history is a big blank haze in my mind…
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