
August 20th 1619: a year before the Mayflower lands, the first blacks arrive at Jamestown, Virginia.
Note: Whites, Blacks and Natives means the forefathers of White, Black and Native Americans, even though they rarely called themselves that back then.
By the 1610s the plantation system in Virginia was in place – before Blacks arrived in numbers. Whites grew tobacco and other crops using forced gang labour.
Working conditions:
- pay: little to nothing
- housing: separate, substandard
- food: poor.
- punishment: whippings, maiming
- term of service: generally four to seven years.
Most workers were White. They were convicts, vagabonds, homeless, “excess poor”, Irish. They were bought and sold. Most died before they gained their freedom. They were all but slaves.
In 1619, enter Black Africans. At first they were just part of the work force. Blacks and Whites worked side by side, married each other freely, ran away from their masters together (meaning they trusted each other that much) and even rose up against the rich together, guns drawn. Blacks had the same rights as Whites of the same social status (servant, free, etc). American society was mainly divided by class, not race.
From 1640 to 1723 the American colonies, particularly in the South, passed laws that ate away at the civil rights of Blacks: the right to vote, bear arms, marry Whites, hold property, get an education, testify in court, gather in public with more than three other Blacks, etc. And, oh, slavery became legally recognized.
At first the excuse was religion – most Blacks were “heathens” (non-Christians). By the late 1600s the excuse became race. In 1691 White Americans wrote the first law where they called themselves “Whites” rather than Christians.
This was the period when the Melungeons – free Black men with White wives – left eastern Virginia for the Appalachian mountains.
By the end of this period slavery had become racialized, hereditary and permanent. Most blacks were now slaves for life – and, by law, so were all their descendants to the end of time.
These laws:
- Lowered labour costs.
- Divided and weakened the working class.
- Gave poor Whites a stake in the social order: “At least I’m not Black.”
- Gave race social meaning.
This became even more important after Bacon’s Rebellion of 1676 when armed Black and White labourers rose up and burned Jamestown to the ground.
But why were most slaves Black? Why not Irish or Native American?
It was not racism: racism against Irish and Natives in the 1600s was worse – they were seen as savages. White Americans did not see Blacks that way until the early 1700s – after Black slavery was in full swing.
Unlike Natives or the Irish, Blacks (mostly from West Africa):
- Were in greater supply by the late 1600s.
- Had greater knowledge of agriculture, particularly of the sort that worked in the Caribbean and the American South.
- Had greater resistance to disease, both Eurasian and tropical.
- Were not “wild” – they came from societies where they were used to obeying impersonal authority.
- Stuck out physically at a distance, making it easier to catch runaways.
- Were all alone: They had no safe haven to run to or natural allies to help them.
– Abagond, 2014.
Source: Mostly “Race in North America” (2012) by Audrey Smedley and Brian D. Smedley.
See also:
Excellent Historical Post On This subject.
Very Educational and informative.
@kiwi
Excellent contributing and supporting comment.
BTW do you have a source for that portrait?
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I always wondered if classism gave way to racism, the point about agriculture knowledge and sticking out physically rang true for the Black Africans enslaved in the Caribbean. I wonder also what history students from there are taught…it wasn’t until I took a Caribbean History course that I learned the true nature Christopher Columbus …12 years of school hadn’t given me all of history.
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Is this artice saying that the first Africans that arrived were (technically) indentured servants?
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Or maybe, because the Irish were civilized. They didn’t eat each other, ritually sacrifice each other, mutilate each other genitalia, or have multiple wives.
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Sounds like somebody doesn’t know anything about the Irish…. figures…
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@ $0.02
And soon after comes the invented (made up) rationalizations and justifications for slavery, i.e. Blacks are dumb, lazy, childish, criminal, and so on.
White equals Christians (everything good, pure, right, lofty).
Black equates to heathens (everything bad, unholy, wrong, lowly).
Christians and heathens literally becomes Whites and other (than white).
Now whites are calling blacks racists!
Soon, only non-whites will be viewed as the only people who can be racists.
(BTW, I’m accepting donations from all white people who wish to see and help black folks – like me – return to Africa!)
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“Is this artice saying that the first Africans that arrived were (technically) indentured servants?”
@abagond
This question did cross my mind,if the first africans to live in america where not slaves and not considered inferior by “race” ,where marrying whites etc
what was/where the source(s) of this “voluntary” immigration.
And in what numbers?
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@Matari
(BTW, I’m accepting donations from all white people who wish to see and help black folks – like me – return to Africa!)
Though you may be joking ,I’m not interested in being so powerless and dependent that I constantly need the financial assistance of other people (esp a group of people predisposed to hostility toward me) for any trip I might decide to take to the country of my ancestors, or to any other place.
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The thought of returning to Africa has crossed my mind a great deal over the last year or two. But I’ve been hit with the fact that, being that I am a Western Black Brit, born and raised, completely disconnected from Africa in many ways, I would probably just end up feeling like a stranger there too. But that’s why they call it a diaspora= the scattered.
Another incredible post @Abagond. A lot of information I was unaware of. It’s funny how those first generations of Whites, old enough to experience the transition, sudden viewed Africab Americans as non-humans just because of a random change in laws. That’s psychopathic.
I too am interested to know the answer to the question posed by Bulanik and Mbeti.
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“This question did cross my mind,if the first africans to live in america where not slaves and not considered inferior by “race” ,where marrying whites etc
what was/where the source(s) of this “voluntary” immigration.
And in what numbers wonder that too”
i wonder that too, i know some came over after being captured and worked as indentured servants and once they worked off their debt they were free and owned land. I wonder how many were captured and how many voluntarily got on the ship and became indentured servants in return for their passage to America.
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“Melungeons free black men with white wives left eastern Virginia for the Appalachian mountains. I think I read Abraham Lincoln was one of these Melungeons.
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Had greater resistance to disease,both Eurasian and tropical. The African slaves proved more resistant to European diseases than indigenous Americans,familiar with a tropical climate and accoustomed to agricultural work. Small Pox, was one of the European diseases that killed many of the Native Americans, The African slaves had resistance to this disease.
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Bobby m doesn’t know anything about anything. The guys have convinced himself that because of his 3/4 Irish blood that he know everything about them. You can’t fake that type of delusion, but d*mn if it is not funny to watch.
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These social interactions and particulars are rarely mentioned in any type of formal history lesson, even those that claim to dive the deepest in research. West Africans have always in one form or another had social interactions with Europeans for many millennium prior. So, even though it wasn’t all peaches and creme, West Africans were treated on better terms before mindsets and laws changed forever. The Irish were persecuted more so for their religion being Catholic and generally living within reclusive which was not the mainstream of early Europeans that settled this part of the Americas. The Native Americans were just physically astounding (alien) to most Europeans. Even those portrayed in any movie within the last 150 yrs didn’t have the very broad flat planned Asiatic faces I see in real very old black and white photographs. This was something different and thus feared by the Europeans of the time. Plus the social stigma of being savages from centuries transpired before the 1600s added to their horrific treatment.
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@Kiwi or you an Asian (Mongoloid) or Chinese living in New Zealand? I ask this question out of mere curiosity.
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Interesting stuff.
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[…] "By the 1610s the plantation system in Virginia was in place – before Blacks arrived in numbers. Whites grew tobacco and other crops using forced gang labour.Working conditions:pay: little to nothinghousing: separate, substandardfood: poor.punishment: whippings, maimingterm of service: generally four to seven years…." […]
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[…] "By the 1610s the plantation system in Virginia was in place – before Blacks arrived in numbers. Whites grew tobacco and other crops using forced gang labour.Working conditions:pay: little to nothinghousing: separate, substandardfood: poor.punishment: whippings, maimingterm of service: generally four to seven years…." […]
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Good article.
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Excellent post as usual.
One small tangential point of minor historical interest: anti-Irish racism is a major factor in whay soccer, once common and popular in America, faded out of the American landscape in the early 20th century, to be supplanted by baseball. Baseball promoters referred to soccer as a sport of those “dirty immigrants” — meaning mainly the Irish — and promoted baseball as the “All-American” sport. It didn’t help that the style of soccer played in those days was brutally rough. Broken legs and such were commonplace in most matches. A gentleman’s game played by ruffians (the obverse of the quip often made about Rugby Football). The WASPs in the northeast were offended by the brutishness of the Irish in general, and in particular by the violence of their sport. By comparison, baseball was tidier and, well, more Protestant.
As municipalites began to acquire enough capital to construct municipal resources, most in the northeast, where anti-Irish racism was strong, built a baseball field as opposed to a soccer pitch. The ubiquity of baseball diamonds opened the door for local baseball leagues, “little leagues”, etc. Through this vector, baseball became the national pastime via taxpayer-supported welfare, which should come as no surprise since using welfare money to support a private industry is the oldest trick in the book. Indeed, virtually all American suburbs, from Levittown on, were built on taxpayer-funded welfare. But I digress.
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Abagond, no offense, and i say this out of genuine love for a fellow writer, but…
I think your post oversimplifies the events/feelings of whites leading up to American chattel slavery and why it happened in the first place…
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@ Phoebe
I don’t really understand this post. I’m not sure whether it’s because I know too little about the history of Euro-Americans’ early history in North America, or because I have completely misunderstood slavery in that time and place.
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@ phoebe
Please elaborate.
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@ Bulanik
Tell me what is confusing. Maybe I left something out.
The first Africans, from what I understand, came as indentured servants. They fell under the same labour system as whites at first.
The Africans who came, though, came unwillingly. They were captured in war and sold to European slave traders.
American society, what became the US, did not start out as a slave society. It took time to become that. The whole black slavery thing did not happen overnight.
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@ Abagond
Slavery in the Caribbean islands does not have any ambiguity — one came as a slave and died as a slave, one’s child was born a slave — and so on.
There was a definite slave code because the planters had sugar to grow and they didn’t want cheap labour, they wanted it for free.
I don’t know of sugar cane being grown in the US, because I’m assuming that tobacco was the cash crop of the time, or was it rice? In any case, it’s not clear from the post whether white’s anti-black feelings lead to slavery, or the other way round.
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*whites’
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Bulaink said
“In any case, it’s not clear from the post whether white’s anti-black feelings lead to slavery, or the other way round.”
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This is a question I have.
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@ Bulanik
Because no one knows for sure. It is a matter of dispute among scholars. The evidence, what little there is, can be read either way.
Working-class Virginia before 1676 was far more multiracial than any period since. The Melungeons are a remnant of that world. The prejudice against Blacks was certainly weaker than later on, but it was not absent.
White Americans in the 1600s were religious bigots and ethnocentric in the extreme, even by Western standards of the time. They had a huge superiority complex. Way worse than it is now – because it was backed by religion, by God Himself. Blacks, Natives and the Irish were throwaway people, wracked by sin, damned by God, possibly in league with the Devil. Whites felt free to do whatever they wanted to them, up to and including genocide and slavery.
On top of that the English language, even before the European Expansion, associated the colour white with good, pure, clean things, and black with bad, evil, dirty things.
Over the course of the 1600s, racism took the place of religious bigotry, presumably because too many Blacks and Natives had converted to Protestantism while Whites still had to square their economic self-interest with their overblown self-image of being good, moral people.
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^^^^ I’ve always thought religion was a cop out of not wanting to truly understand social and psychological conflicts. Social studies that covers racial and psychological thinking should be a standard of every American classroom as a requirement. The more people understand each other with no biases but facts the better we can move forward together. It’s a shame how people with doctorates etc still haven’t a clue when it comes to a complete social understanding across ethnic lines…
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@ Abagond
I notice that you do not call the Irish “white”. In the early US, at that time, they were not “white”, although the Irish were just as white-looking as any Englishman in the 1600s.
The different white-skinned people from Europe had still to be transformed into the all-inclusive category of “white” that we take for granted today.
That was the gradual process you allude to — this shift from religious bigotry to racialization.
Inventing this idea of White Identity was the wedge to secure White Privilege, it was pre-meditated contrivance to hold power and wealth.
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From I gather from posts about US history on this blog, the transformation of non-white into White happened in waves from the very beginning of the USA. The Irish weren’t originally White, nor were the Italians or the Poles or the Jews, and so on.
Depending on situation, the cogs of White supremacy turned to thwart any sense of unity among those ethnicities with blacks and Native Americans. These Irish, Italians and others had their price, and they were bought in the form of jobs, housing, etc.
There were huge benefits that fell to them from joining the White Club.
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-white-club/
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@Bulanik,
And now that they are becoming outnumbered, it seems that their price was too cheap. They should have stayed true to who they were.
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“They should have stayed true to who they were”, well said Anne and straight to the heart of the (modern day) matter of this social issue, Kudos!!
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@Blanc2, It’s important to note that today the Irish are fully assimilated into White Society regardless of colonial region, be it America, New Zealand, Australia, or South Africa and even South America. I don’t see any discriminatory struggles other than a few in New England and Appalachian territories where they still have the power to chose their destiny more so than the challenges real POC have to face.
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The US is a racist country, now it hates its white population and demonizes whites for over 40 years.
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You certainly are mad, Jewess.
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The Irish had it so much worse than blacks ever did. The fact that the Irish were civilized makes what happened to them much worse than what happened to the savage Indians and Africans
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How odd that a Jew is worried about how whites are seen.
Odd doesn’t adequately describe it.
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Ireland was a civilized Christian nation, Africa was not.
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http://www.kinsella.org/history/histira.htm
‘The Chicago Post wrote, “The Irish fill our prisons, our poor houses…Scratch a convict or a pauper, and the chances are that you tickle the skin of an Irish Catholic. Putting them on a boat and sending them home would end crime in this country.”‘
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Africa is a nation?
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The MAD Jewess said: “The US is a racist country, now it hates its white population and demonizes whites for over 40 years.”
Forty years isn’t that bad Jewess. I have a suggestion for you and the rest of the so-called Jews, why don’t the Jews as a group try being demonized for 400 years? Hit me up in the next life with your answer!
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The Jews actually have been demonized for over 400 years.
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@King, I’m referring to the original Black Jews. Apparently you seem to believe that the fake Ashkenazi Jews currently occupying the state of Israel are the original Jews. You are certainly WRONG sir!
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No, I understand the Semitic Jews, the Sephardic Jews, and the Ashkenazi, who they are, where they came from, etc. I understand the complications. But what I said was that “The Jews” have been demonized for over 400 years. I didn’t argue for any particular classification of Jew, unless I am mistaken.
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The original Jews weren’t black. They were a Semitic middle eastern people that probably looked like todays Arabs.
Ashkenazic Jews are approximately half Middle Eastern and Half European by blood.
Why you would think the original Jews are black is a mystery to me.
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Black people are the true Israelites from the tribe of Judah. They argue this from various passages in the Old Testament including Deuteronomy 28 (cf. Leviticus 26) which references ships (Deut. 28:68), serving in bondage (Deut. 28:48), mockery (28:37), and being defeated before one’s enemies (28:25). Also, Lamentations 5:10 describes the Israelites who had skin as black as an oven. Therefore, to the Hebrew Israelites, this is conclusive proof that the original Israelites were black.
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@Bulanik
I agree. Very well said.
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Bobby M
The original Jews weren’t black. They were a Semitic middle eastern people that probably looked like todays Arabs.
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The original “Jews” were NOT “Jews” because the word JEW did not exist until much later
The people you are refering to were/are called Hebrew; and yes, they were/are much darker than than people who call themselves Jews today.
Matter of fact, everybody WAS much darker.
Just look at us?
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The MAD Jewess
The US is a racist country, now it hates its white population and demonizes whites for over 40 years.
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Are you a white person?
(lets see if we get an answer to the critical question?)
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Lol @George Ryder
(That was a good one.) I think people view the Jewish community as being a part of the club because they’ve been allowed to progress so much. They’re said to rule Hollywood, which is a very privileged and influential position to hold. IDK
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Ebonymonroe
***** because they’ve been allowed***
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ALLOWED by whom?
Leo Frank?
“Jews keep their names when they are BEHIND the camera, but change their name when they are in FRONT of the camera”
“Karen Johnson” could get no work in Hollywood so she changed her name to “Whoopi GOLDBERG”
the rest is history.
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That doesn’t make any sense, you’ve basically said Jews are only allowed to keep their name behind the camera, and have then gone on to say Whoopi got work in front of the camera by having a Jewish name. You’ve said only behind the camera, but went on to use an example of being let through in front of the camera via a Jewish name?
If I recall correctly, every major movie studio since the dawn of Hollywood has been owned by Jews, along with the recording industry. The Jewish community has been so economically successful that it’s now a stereotype.
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thwack said: “The people you are refering to were/are called Hebrew; and yes, they were/are much darker than than people who call themselves Jews today. Matter of fact, everybody WAS much darker. Just look at us?”
Thank you thwack, Israelite or Hebrew will suffice!
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@BobbyM, on a personal level, there is no mystery as to why I state that the original Jews/Hebrews or Israelites were black, read Deuteronomy 28:48 & 68. It’s truly sad to converse with people like you who apparently don’t KNOW WHO THEY TRULY ARE AS A COLLECTIVE PEOPLE.
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[…] "By the 1610s the plantation system in Virginia was in place – before Blacks arrived in numbers. Whites grew tobacco and other crops using forced gang labour. Working conditions:pay: little to nothinghousing: separate, substandardfood: poor.punishment: whippings, maimingterm of service: generally four to seven years. …" […]
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As far as I know both Ancient Egypt and the Hebrews were a mixed race community, Middle Eastern, African, Greek. People also use those verses to justify the second world war as an act of God. I assume the God of the Bible was referring to the Assyrian and Babylonian rule over Israel in the books of 2 Kings, Jeremiah and Lamentations, which was much closer in time to the prophesy given in Deuteronomy.
That’s not to say that I don’t believe many of the ancient Israelites were African. Jewish communities have been discovered among African tribes and communities in recent times. But I do believe there was a mixture.
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^^^
*which were
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Stop trying to claim whites as black. Its racist
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@George Ryder, alloe me to wear my pedagogue cap while I break it down for you.
Deuteronomy 28:48 speaks of how God plannef to send enemies against his own people for disobeying Him. He did this by making them naked, thirsty and putting them in utter poverty.
Deuteronomy 28:68 speaks of how God planned to punish his own people by placing them on SHIPS and sending them back into bondage once again in Egypt (United States).
The Sephardic, Semitic nor Ashkenazi Jews were transported away from their homeland upon SHIPS into bondage/abject poverty.
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@George Ryder
“Are Jews white now?”
per abagond and other scientific literature, it is a common theme to consider only black, white, and asian as ‘races’ nowadays, so technically, here, yes… also berber/arab
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I was just thinking about watching the Chappelle show all over again, today, (it’s on netflicks). That show was incredible.
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@George Ryder, allow me to wear my pedagogue cap and break it down for you. Even further, it’s not that we are reading different Bibles you simply alluded to the wrong scriptures.
Deuteronomy 28:48 refers to God sending enemies against his own people because they disobeyed Him and placing them in dire nakedness, poverty and having the enemy place a yoke around their neck as punishment.
Deuteronomy 28:68 refers to God having his people sold back into slavery/bondage upon SHIPS in the land of Egypt (United States) once again due to them rebelling against Him.
The Semitic, Sephardic nor the Ashkenazi Jews/Hebrews/Israelites were ever sold for slavery, placed upon SHIPS, had a yoke placed around their necks or suffered for centuries in abject poverty while in bondage. These scriptures are referring to the black man in Amerikkka. There is no other group on this planet that fits that description so vividly, ….. period!
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Ebonymonroe
That doesn’t make any sense, you’ve basically said Jews are only allowed to keep their name behind the camera, and have then gone on to say Whoopi got work in front of the camera by having a Jewish name.
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No, not allowed; its a choice they make.
Why?
Im not sure, it may be so they can “pass for white” in front of the camera while behind the camera, the tribe gets the credit?
But thats my point.
The whole thing is a “shell game” run by “hollywood” and Karen Johnson found a backdoor and exploited it. The way it was explained to me, “hollywood” keeps two stacks of actors resumes, Jew and Goy. By having a Jewish name, Whoopi kept getting put in the Jewish stack which meant her name kept being seen by the people who make the hiring decisions.
The rest is history.
I think its brilliant.
and I suspect she knew exactly what she was doing. Face it, Whoopi is not “hot” and cound never compete against attractive black females.
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Hey Blakksage,
I thought it was a weak case until I got to # 37
37. And you will BECOME an [object of] astonishment, an example, and a topic of discussion, among all the peoples to whom the Lord will lead you.
Then I thought, yep, thats us, case closed. Thats why the “N” word hurts black people SO much. That single word contains all our pathologies and everybody knows it.
Black peoples problems are
an astonishment,
an example, and a topic of discussion,
all over the world.
Thats why we “flip out” when other people use the “N” word.
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LOL, that’s a good point thwack!
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George Ryder
hmmmm, are we interpreting scripture here or playing ad libs?
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As long as we are not acting white, we are doing Gods work.
Do you have a problem with that?
I didn’t think so.
Move along George.
Next white man in line, step forward and state your problem:
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The first blacks in the American colonies and other parts of the Atlantic world were actually very successful, and it took quite a bit of doing by concentrated effort of the colonial authorities to reduce them to the dominated position they are commonly all thought to have had. Read about Atlantic Creoles, there’s an article by Ira Berlin called “From creole to African: Atlantic Creoles and the origin of African American society in mainland North America”. It has some amazing insights into a world where blacks actually thrived and were uncommonly successful in the white man’s early Atlantic colonial world before prejudice against them became so extreme that there was basically a blatant, concentrated effort(especially in the US) to tear down these successful blacks and force them into servitude. It’s a history I had no idea existed until I took early modern history of the Atlantic world in university.
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thwack:
Question for you. Are you the same black “thwack” who frequents Chateau Heartiste? Either a startling coincidence (if you are not) or just a very small world. In a way, though the overlap between here and CH is probably not big, both sites provide a non-mainstream perspective, with their own special awareness.
To All:
So I’m aware (generally–of course this is what was taught to me and read) of the horrors of the slave trade and slavery, and I don’t want to minimize that. However, let’s focus on the present for a moment. Question for those of you descended from African slaves. Let’s imagine you had just 2 choices: (i) you are who you are in the States or wherever you now are outside of Africa (props to anyone actually reading from Africa); or (ii) your black ancestors weren’t shipped off to the States or other Western country and you are the same person, but in Africa (without direct Western cultural exposure or Western standard of living, etc). Which do you pick? (Please don’t complain about the question–don’t answer if you don’t want to–just want an honest answer from those brave enough to respond, though explanation of that answer is fine. I also understand that most of you have some white ancestry, but let’s pretend you don’t for purposes of this question). Follow up question is if you think it would be better to be in Africa, wouldn’t it be better for your children and grandchildren to be raised there, even if it would be a difficult transition now to go back for you yourself? (And, Abagond, I’m trying not to go off topic here–others have mentioned going back to Africa above on this thread and the post is primarily about coming out of Africa.)
Genuinely curious to see honest, thoughtful answers to a couple tough questions.
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If you look at the history of white people’s dealings with people who are not considered white, the same story plays out EVERYWHERE! Whether you want to investigate the history of Tasmania, New Zealand, Australia, Hawaii, China, South Africa, Central Africa, West Africa, North Africa, North America, South America, Central America, the Caribbean. Initially, they “trade”, then “settle” and possibly inter-marry, then they attempt to destroy the people so as to gain unfettered access to everything that was theirs. So the illusory period of apparently peaceful co-existence ALWAYS dissolves since that is really just the beginning of destruction. ; the ‘incubation period’ so to speak. If someone who is very sick sneezes on you there will be a time period during which you’re symptom free despite the presence of virulent pathogens in your system. A fact useful to whites is the tendency of most humans NOT to impute evil motives to them from the outset. They have been a most efficient weapon against the people of the planet because we have been able to look past their pallor and consider them the same as us even when they insist they’re not.
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Questions about ‘going back to Africa’ and whether Diasporic Africans would prefer to be here or in Africa are irrelevant questions. Isn’t South Africa archetypical of a place where the majority population was reduced to second class citizenship? Where did the present-day boundaries of African ‘countries’ come from? Why do almost all of them have European official languages like English (eg. Nigeria), French (eg. Cameroon), German (eg. Namibia), Dutch/Afrikaans (eg. South Africa), or Portuguese (eg. Angola)? Which Africa are they suggesting a return to? Should Native Americans return to America? The only thing that could be implied by such a return is the elimination of the invaders. Be careful what you ask for.
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This ^^^
If there was a land where White supremacy didn’t dominate, (economically, in resources, etc), with a large Black population, I would be glad to go there.
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@Origin, very well stated regarding both posts!
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@Ebonymonroe
That makes two of us!
@blakksage
Thanks.
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OK, so I didn’t really expect to get many honest answers to my questions. Even though I said please don’t just complain about the question (ignore it if you like–and most of you did), still got complaints, but not surprised.
Basically, what I’m hearing is, I wouldn’t want to be back in my ancestral homeland (even if I could with no culture shock, etc.) because whites screwed it all up. So I’ll stay right here and complain. When South Africa was controlled by the Dutch, Africans from surrounding regions flooded in because there were more opportunities there and it was safer. However, if whites had never touched Africa, things would be 10 times better, I’m sure. We can blame all problems in Africa and everywhere else in the world (or at least the significant ones) on the evil “white supremacy” that dominates everywhere as Ebonymonroe has well stated.
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Ebonymonroe
This ^^^
If there was a land where White supremacy didn’t dominate, (economically, in resources, etc), with a large Black population, I would be glad to go there.
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There is no white supremacy on Mars. The only problem is, you have to transit the white mans sky too get there.
Yeah, he owns that too.
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biff
Basically, what I’m hearing is, I wouldn’t want to be back in my ancestral homeland (even if I could with no culture shock, etc.) because whites screwed it all up. So I’ll stay right here and complain.
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No. Why should I go back to Africa to be raped by white supremacy when I can stay right where I am and be raped by the white supremacists?
Charlize Theron is 10 times more African than me but she gets to go anywhere and be accepted with open arms?
Besides, black people have been in the Americas since long before the common era. Have you seen those giant Olmec stone heads? You think they came over on a slave ship?
I don’t think so.
My father is of the sky, my mother is of the Earth,
and I am of the universe, and you know what its worth.
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biff
thwack:
Question for you. Are you the same black “thwack” who frequents Chateau Heartiste?
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biff,
Im everybodies worst nightmare because I could be anybody.
Mark 13:35
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Kiwi
, but they allow whites to own most of the country’s wealth when they could just seize it.
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they tried that in Haiti already.
The white supremacists play the ENTIRE chess board, not just one corner. Matter of fact, they have been know to knock the board on the ground and set fire to the table and chair; with you still sitting in it.
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Extinction.
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You are of your father
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I see, I am not supposed to care about blacks beating whites at all because of 1960’s America.
OK, gotcha
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@ biff
Firstly, no question that is posted which includes “Don’t complain about this question” can be taken seriously. The question itself must always be examined before the answer can be clearly given.
Basically your question is based of the following assumption:
Blacks in the U.S. have a higher standard of living (by and large) than do Blacks in Africa (by and large). Therefore, what are you American Blacks complaining about?
That is basically the simple point that your question is meant to expose. Do you understand why this is a tragically flawed question? Think for at least 2 minutes.
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And blacks deserve wealth because?
Nobody is born deserving anything
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Right Bobby M.
1965 Jews DIED so that blacks in America could have the same Civil rights as whites in America. What do the blacks do to say ‘Hey thanks?’
Beat them in Crown Heights Brooklyn now for decades.
Shortly AFTER 1965 civil rights happened, they went in an all out war against whites in America and have been waging it ever since.
50 years of racism directed at whites is coming to and end. I HOPE that whites will not continue the violence.
Look at the crime/race stats in America from a NON US lying government source. And, you’ll find the truth.
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@King:
I would MOVE ON.
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Race is nothing. There is only the human race and humanoids like that ape which tore apart the individual in CT. Humanity is as humanity does. How can that which is collectively inhumane be human?
humane:
marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals
monstrous:
very ugly, cruel, or vicious
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Its is said that Jews are a composite race assembled from various racial elements of their host nations; many of which are unfortunately disharmonic.
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‘Just so you know, there are black Jews, too. Oh, what’s that? Jews are white? Not so 50 years ago. There is a reason Jews want to be seen as white.’
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Well, Kiwi: there are, in fact, 3 different RACES with bone structures that differentiate: Mongol oid, Caucasoid and Negroid.
The biblical Jews (indigenous Hebrews) are one of the 3. Since they are not from the Asias, they are not Asian, since they are not from Africa, they are not African. Leaves Cauc.
They can deny they are Cauc all day long but they are Cauc.
I believe it was Phillip who was a convert to the Jewish faith from the New Testament? So, sure, black people may want to become Jews (by faith)
Thats fine, knock your socks off. But, its not an easy religion to follow as there are 613 laws/mitzvahs. Thanks, I’ll stick to the 10, its easier.
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You might want to update your race theory. That particular model is rather dated.
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Are you sure, MAD?
Which continent is Palestine in? It’s NOT in Europe or “Caucasia”.
Palestine is in Asia.
You seem to think that all “Asians” are “Mongoloid”, and mix up your categories. As fond as you are in the 18th century invention of “races” — and intensely wish to be White — so-called “Caucasoids” also exist among Asians and Africans….
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@ King — 😀
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🙂
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Hebrews came from Northern Africa. (Egypt)
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Apropos empathy/sympathy: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/the-hearts-of-white-people-the-science/
So it might be a definite cognitive deficiency in which case asking whites to behave humanely without a congratulatory reward or treat is like asking a blind person to stop at a red light.
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Job from the bible is Asian.
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Categorize, split, name, divide…
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@ King, there is always the possibility that the definitions guiding MAD Jewess are grounded in a particular kind of “Israeli” thinking.
By that, I mean the belief in Israel as a part of Europe.
This is so because many of them have European ancestors, and feel they are White and European in the modern sense, in a sea of inferior peoples. Therefore, Israel takes part in the Eurovision song contest, for instance, and will be grouped as a “European” country rather than a Middle Eastern one at the current Winter Olympics.
Israel gets away with a lot.
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But that would be like me saying that Africa is part of America.
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MAD Jewess, earlier you said the indigenous Hebrews were not Africans.
Egypt is where they fled from…
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50 years of racism against Whites? What on earth? Racism is a system where institutional oppression is against a people, such as occupational and judicial disadvantage. White could not possibly be said to have been up against “racism” for 50 years. Lol. I think the term you’re looking for is prejudice.
African American men and women caught with even a small amount of drugs, serve, on average, 10-20 years more time than White male and female muderers. The affirmative action quota has been filled by White women. Loans and mortgages discrimination was introduced for African American potential business and homeowners who sought to work their way into the middleclass decades ago, which has resulted in cyclical poverty for AA communities. African students have been achieving the highest grades out of all foreign students studying in the US for some time now, but are still the least likely to find employment out of all foreign students studying in the US.
I think it’s important to do your research on racism before spouting a load of assumption about something you’ve clearly had your eyes wide shut about. There’s plenty of information that’s easy to find, even right here on this blog. I do not understand why such things have to be repeated so often.
And “the three categories of race” was a victorian classification system that was done away with a long time ago.
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Why are we paying Jewish trolls any mind? They come here to disrupt our conversations just like other racist White trolls that have come on here to express their dislike or hatred of Black people. I am so tired of these trolls and I wish they could leave our sites alone!
No, I am not a troll. I exist in real life.
And America is a very racist country and always has been racist against my people. But people don’t realize that racism is a system that oppresses others based on skin color and socioeconomic status. Race is a social construct designed to keep Black and brown people down economically, socially and politically much to the benefit of Whites around the world. White people in America, UK, Australia all benefit from the White privileges because the system favors White people staying on top socially, economically and politically.
American racism is much like what I describe above only American slavery is much worse including slavery, Black Codes, Jim Crow laws and segregation. Our so called Founding Fathers said that my people were 3/5 human in the Constitution. 3/5? Now that should be astounding to you! Black people in America endured chattel slavery where their humanity was devalued and they were worked to death. And then they endured segregation and Jim Crow laws after slavery where their humanity was devalued as well since they were given separate but UNEQUAL facilities from their White counterparts.
The Civil Rights Movement changed things by giving Black people their rights in America and allowing them to share public facilities with Whites. In reality, not much has changed since the 1960s. We only have our rights and technology is all. There is still so much racial inequalities out there that we need to change.
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Jayis is a man.
White women won’t work as hard as he is because they don’t have to.
*be advised*
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@Kiwi
True but in a way, it was a reflection of how they saw my people. Enslaving Blacks and treating them like cattle is a reflection that they didn’t see Black people as truly human. And to this very day, they still see my people as monkeys and apes.
Racism is deeply ingrained in American culture and society. Anyone who lives in America and denies this is only fooling themselves.
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@ Kiwi: Comment deleted for insulting language.
https://abagond.wordpress.com/comment-policy/
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@ The MAD Jewess: Comment deleted for using racial slur.
https://abagond.wordpress.com/comment-policy/
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@thwack
Jayis is a man.
White women won’t work as hard as he is because they don’t have to.
*be advised*
Stranger than strange. You’re fixated on me. lol Oh well. What you’re proving is that you adore white women.
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You are working too hard about race to be a white female.
You’re busted, get over it. Get a new name and try again.
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@thwack
Hmmmm I’ll go check some other threads where you’re probably talking about me. Thanks for your membership in the fan club.
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Abagond, Thanks for deleting their comments but you didn’t need to delete Kiwi or Mad Racist ”Jewess” comments. I knew Mad Jewess was a racist just from reading her comments. I really don’t care what non Blacks think of me anymore. Most of them have the same mindset when it comes to Black people whether they are White or Asian.
You should really stop letting these non Blacks and people from other nationalities and cultures who disrespect my people and my culture from commenting on here! I come on here just to get away from them and talk among my own people.
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Adeen
You should really stop letting these non Blacks and people from other nationalities and cultures who disrespect my people and my culture from commenting on here!
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Adeen,
white people are the only people I know that will actually spend the time and energy pretending to be nonwhite; Asian, Native American, Latino i.e “non black” in order to practice racism.
Even when I spent time as a member of an all Asian discussion board I never saw that kind of behavior.
Never.
I think white people do it because they are trying to legitimize their racist perspective by making it seem like a coalition;
its not.
Its all white males.
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Yes, first we should get rid of all the Whites
Then all the Jews
Then all the people who are mixed with White
Then all the Asians (so long Kiwi and Jefe)
And any stay Latinos who are still about
And THEN, finally we will all agree in our conversations!!!
Oh wait… maybe we should also get rid of one of the 2 genders!
THEN WE WILL ALL AGREE.
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Bula: Just because I am a Jew does not mean I love Israeli politics. I am NOT for Israeli politics at all. Both parties treat my Sephardic brethren like sh*t.
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‘I knew Mad Jewess was a racist just from reading her comments. ‘
I can answer who I am for myself, thank you. I take up for the cause of whites in America & South Africa, period.
Has nothing to do with thinking ‘whites are better’ than black people which is what the definition of a racist is.
I don’t think I am better than anyone else. I believe God created humans. Its when humans abuse each-other—that is when my attention is grabbed.
BTW: “Pretend to be Asian?” George?
American Indians, are from the Asias. I am Seneca/Iroquois, Native American=hence, also from the Asian race..not ethnicity, race.
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Agabond, I dont use racial slurs.
I use facts and instances.
I merely said that Bulanik was pretty. And stated the facts of what is happening in America re. race.
If you want to delete my comments, thats your prerogative, but dont defame me.
Anyone can go to my blog and see that I dont HAVE to use racial anything. My husband posts black on white crime. That’s all.
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The MAD Jewess
Bula: Just because I am a Jew does not mean I love Israeli politics
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Also, a white person will go to a black discussion board, pretend to be a Jew, and proceed to practice racism.
Its the old “false flag trick.”
Why do they do this? Why is it an effective racist technique?
Because when I participate in racist discussion boards and I provide an example of white people practicing racism, some white person will jump in and say: “no, thats not us, thats THE JEWS.”
Then they will proceed to provide facts and documentation about Jews who changed their names, converted… and are trying to pass for white AND MISTREATING BLACK PEOPLE. Its kind of a recent phenomenon as more racist white people have switched from calling themselves “white supremacists” to “white nationalists”.
Its a form or equivacation designed to try and make racism just another form of “nationalism”, like “black nationalism”. It allows white racists to say: “we don’t want to be supreme over anybody, we just want our own nation, like the Nation of Islam…”
To sum up, “The MAD Jewess” is working too hard to be either a Jew or female; and that picture is rediculous.
*be advised*
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thwak
On an Internet discussion board the general rule is to accept that a poster is who they say they are until either admissions or proof to the contrary indicate otherwise. This policy makes absolute sense,
However, it has just occurred to me that you are probably a White troublemaker yourself. No truly Black person asks as often as you do “are you a White person?” And you seem to have appeared out of nowhere and suddenly are on every thread, either attacking Black women, or sowing discord, You continue to keep calling the “a Black sit” even though there is nothing in any of the policies or rules that indicates that.
In other words, you are just TRYING TOO HARD to appear Black. You even pulled out the fake Ebonics that had to to be deleted.
So who do you really work for? The Klan? The NeoSkinheads? The National Socialist Party? What is your game, White man???
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thwak
However, it has just occurred to me that you are probably a White troublemaker yourself. No truly Black person asks as often as you do “are you a White person?”
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Thats because black people don’t ask questions, we make statements. We do this to try and prove how smart we are because we know people think we are dumb. George Ryder has asked more question in the last week than all the black people here combined.
Thats how I know he is a white man.
Thats what white people do. Thats why white people are smarter than us.
They ask questions ALL the time. Ive had total stranger white people ask me about the book Im reading on the subway.
Under the system of racism white supremacy, black people are encouraged to make assumptions, and criticised for asking questions.
We were taught this by white people but now we do it to each other.
For example, you just did it to me.
See how that works?
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Aha, more proof.
So, Black people have a genetic disposition to not ask andy questions but only make statements! But uou know, you’re right… I don’t ever remember a Black person asking a question before, not only throughout history but on this very blog! In fact you are the first “Black person” to ask a question. (I can post your question if necessary)
Which is why you are not Black.
But Whites are genetically driven to ask many questions. ALL whites ask lots of questions! Makes perfect sense… I’ve never known a White person not to ask questions!
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Jayis
Though we have had a disgreement, I think you have shown great wisdom in your choice to believe the complete opposite in everything thwack says.
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King
So, Black people have a genetic disposition to not ask andy questions but only make statements!
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No its not genetic, thats why white people have to train us to NOT ask questions.
It is the nature of human beings to ask questions; thats why people must be beaten, punished and kept fearful in order to stop them from asking questions.
Thats what white people did to us and now we do it to each other.
Sick isn’t it?
One of Dr, Welsings favorites: “A slave is not to reason why, a slave is but to do or die”
Most children ask a lot of questions, but at a certain age, the black ones stop because they notice it makes some people angry; I know because I was one of em.
The reason black children don’t ask questions is because they ASSUME the answer is “BECAUSE I SAID SO!”
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George Ryder
interesting, so you pretend to be asian too?
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Ya’ll see how smart that white man is?
Tryin to catch a Monday in a lie ain’t you?
No, you don’t have to be Asian to post on an Asian discussion board; although I do have some Asiatic in me.
Actually the black man is the original man and it is everybody else that has some of us in them.
Look at Nelson Mandelas eyes,
see what I mean?
In addition, the biblical record says as much:
“In every area of the world where Japhethites have subsequently settled, they have always been preceded by Hamites.
The evidence appears to point consistently that not only Africa with its black races, but the Far East, the Americas, and other Island nations with their colored races were all descendants of Ham. Hamitic people were the first to reach the far and distant lands of the world as prophesied by Genesis 10:18, preparing the way for the future. Their inventions and discoveries made a significant impact on the world, and provided inspiration for the Japhethites.”
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It’s not genetic, yet ALLl blacks do it. Amazing. We seem to be particularly susceptible to outside programming. You’d think one or two of us might ask a question or two every now and then… What a remarkable job they’ve done of completely rewriting human nature in Blacks!!!!
I wish that Malcolm X had had the guts to ask a question
Or Martin Luther King
Or Angela Davis
Or Medgar Evers
Or Rosa Parks
It’s a shame those people were so totally controlled by White brainwashing!
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@ thwack
Going forward I am deleting any of your comments that are not reasonably close to Standard English. Given your opinion of black intelligence it is clear that your hafta’s and tryin’s and so on amount to Mock Ebonics.
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biff
You interpeted what you think they meant. Not what they said. You would have come out better asking for clarity, but then again you use little to draw your flawed conclusions anyway. *shrugs*
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abagond
@ thwack
Going forward I am deleting any of your comments that are not reasonably close to Standard English. Given your opinion of black intelligence it is clear that your hafta’s and tryin’s and so on amount to Mock Ebonics.
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abagond, where were you born and raised?
I was born in Georgia, raised in Texas and South Carolina. Thats how we speak, including the white people.
For example, in the south, “fixin” does not ONLY mean repairing or mending. It also means “getting ready” to do something. I would use it in a sentence but you might accuse me of mock ebonics.
“Howdy” is a greeting that is a contraction of “How do you do?”
Are those examples of mock ebonics?
This entire exercise reminds me of the Wanda Sykes skit where she talked about her fear of white people seeing her get watermelon at the supermarket fruit bar. She said she would put the watermelon slices on the bottom, and cover it with slices of cantalope; all the while looking around to see if white people were watching her.
I laughed out loud; but you know how we are, we laugh hardest when nothing is funny.
Im not ashamed to be from the South. Anybody else from the South?
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Back to my point as Thwacks Alinsky attacks wont work:
It is fact now that black people are the leading perpetrators of racial crimes in America and have been for decades.
Its time to stop the racism. 5 decades of hating white people is enough in USA.
Yes, in 1860’s America, it was racist against black people. That was then, this is now. Black people: Stop the violence & racism against whites and Jews in Crown Heights, Brooklyn.
And, Abagond, if I am wrong, disprove me.
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@abagond
There are quite a few of us that are from the south, but none of us feel the need to use country slang. Isn’t it interesting?
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@The MAD Jewess
Talking is not a fact. Actual numbers are a fact. So please provide your sources and stop complaining about being challenged on it.
So according to you:
1. “lack people are the leading perpetrators of racial crimes in America and have been for decades.” I need your source with those numbers and it better be something across America and not just in Brooklyn. You would then need to prove it to be a race based crime (meaning done because of the victims race) not because that is what you think it is as it appears thinking is not what you attempted to do before posting.
So seeing as you made the claims I am confused on why you need someone to disprove you? You would know if they are true or not if you had sources to back it am I correct?
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The MAD Jewess
5 decades of hating white people is enough in USA.
5 decades of feeling hatred is enough for anyone – , what do you think is the cause of this?
Also, do you find that you are readily accepted as white? In my experience, most people, WP still see Jewish people as ‘other’. I even heard someone point out a ‘jewish person’ to their friend because apparently ‘you can always tell’. *SMH*
Also, bit of a random question. I assume as your scrreen name suggests, you are proud of your heritage. How do you feel about Jewish people who anglicise their surnames?
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@Omnipresent
How much you want to bet her response will be a bunch of talking around in circles and not addressing the questions or the claims she made?
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sharina:
How much you want to bet her response will be a bunch of talking around in circles and not addressing the questions or the claims she made?
yes. Loyalty is admirable no doubt but blind devotion is no good. It does not make a person view situations honestly or objectively.
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@ Sharina
I noticed that too. It is part of what makes me think he is not really black.
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Hello black people. There sure were a lot of ignorant comments on this thread. I’ll educate you on a few of them.
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Origin — “So it might be a definite cognitive deficiency in which case asking whites to behave humanely without a congratulatory reward or treat is like asking a blind person to stop at a red light.”
Yet blacks murder at nearly 10X the national average. You might think about that before accusing others of acting inhumanely.
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Kiwi — “Just so you know, there are black Jews, too. Oh, what’s that? Jews are white? Not so 50 years ago. There is a reason Jews want to be seen as white.”
The only “black jews” are either mixed or converts. Jews have always been white. The only time Jews, Italians or anyone else are accused of being non-white is when someone of another white ethnic group is angry and wants to insult them. During segregation they all attended white schools. The reason you don’t know this is because you’re not white and your famly doesn’t have a long history in America.
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Biff — “Its is said that Jews are a composite race assembled from various racial elements of their host nations; many of which are unfortunately disharmonic.”
Askenazi and Sephardic are a mixture of Levantine and European. Mizrahi are a mixture of Levantine and Arab. They’re all caucasian.
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Adeen — “And America is a very racist country and always has been racist against my people.”
Yet “your people” will do everything they can to get into America because “your people” are incapable of building a successful civilization of their own. Once here, “your people” blame discrimination for their criminality and lack of success. It’s not discriimination. It’s merely the same incompetence and criminality which prevented “your people” from building a successful civilization in the first place.
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Thwack — “Actually the black man is the original man and it is everybody else that has some of us in them.”
The original man was a chlmpanzee. That’s why humans and chlmpanzees share 98% of their D NA.
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Sharina — “Talking is not a fact. Actual numbers are a fact. So please provide your sources and stop complaining about being challenged on it.”
Abagond claims crime st atistics have been discussed so many times that it’s a “broken record” yet you plead ignorance? But since you asked, here ya go!
https://abagond.wordpress.com/open-thread-2/open-thread/#comment-201373
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Omnipresent — “Also, do you find that you are readily accepted as white? In my experience, most people, WP still see Jewish people as ‘other’.”
You don’t know what white people think because you’re not white. So your “experience” of what white people think means nothing. Nearly all Jews and white gentiles see Jews as white. D NA analysis supports this view. The only ones who disagree are pretty much racist whether black or white. That’s not to say that every white is the same. But the difference is religious and ethnic not racial.
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@Da Jokah
Of all t he ignorant comments you claim to have seen yours managed to take the cake.
You did not address what I was asking for proof for but played the good old shift the blame. No need for you to play ignorant…. you just are.
Good day
🙂
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Isn’t it interesting how 2008 data serves as proof of today? I don;t know what part is funnier…the hard on da jokah got thinking he had something or the realization that he had nothing dealing with what asked for. LOL
Also for anyone who has the time could you pleas point me to the post were abagond has used stats without links etc. I have yet to see this.
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Wait never mind *Da jokah on ignore*
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Da Jokah
You don’t know what white people think because you’re not white. So your “experience” of what white people think means nothing. Nearly all Jews and white gentiles see Jews as white. D NA analysis supports this view. The only ones who disagree are pretty much racist whether black or white. That’s not to say that every white is the same. But the difference is religious and ethnic not racial.
We have already established that you know nothing about who or what I am – dont try and sound me out, you are not clever enough. Regardless of my own example, this was said in my presence Thursday last week. I was incredulous at the stupidity of the comment and, surprised because it has been a while since I heard people talk in this way. Is this realisation too much for you to bear because this is your background? I suspect it is. The truth hurts – no matter how white your DNA it seems *rolls eyes*.
Also, you do realise that many black people have a high percentage of white DNA too dont you – I guess this means they are ‘white’ too in the same way that you are trying to say about Jewish people.!!!!!
The only ones who disagree are pretty much racist whether black or white
If Jewish people are white, how can/why would ‘white’ people act in a racist way towards them? Hmmm, I wonder why would white people disagree and not want to embrace their ‘own’.
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@Omnipresent
Why not get proof from whites themselves huh? LOL
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t832764/
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Sharina:
Why not get proof from whites themselves huh? LOL
Perhaps this explains why Jewess and Da Jokah post on sites like this rather than conversing with their ‘own people’
Its a sad day when you are shunned by your own people!
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^ That’s the Chinese Exclusion Act 101 of 1812… not repealed until the mid 1940s, I believe.
https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=LGL6_Z75y2gC&source=productsearch&utm_source=HA_Desktop_US&utm_medium=SEM&utm_campaign=PLA&pcampaignid=MKTAD0930BO1
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In Crown Heights there’s a lot of racial tension going on there, which explain the mad rants of Mad Jewess. She is angry with black people and therefore on this blog to make her displeasure known.
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Omnipresent — We have already established that you know nothing about who or what I am – dont try and sound me out, you are not clever enough.
Sure I do. You’re mixed. Mixed isn’t white. It’s not exactly black, either. Is this realization too much for you to bear because this is your background? I suspect it is.
Perhaps this explains why Jewess and Da Jokah post on sites like this rather than conversing with their ‘own people’
You’re making an awful big assumption there. Actually, I think you’re projecting. You’re bitter that whites won’t accept mixed as white.
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Sharina
I said, “The only ones who disagree are pretty much racist whether black or white. “ and you go go to stormfront for “evidence”. #smh
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kiwi
White people did not exist 500 years ago because whiteness didn’t exist then. And remember, you said “always”.
Next you’ll claim gravity didn’t exist before Sir Isaac Newton discovered it.
Ever heard of the anti-Jewish quotas? Nope.
Of course I’ve heard of it but it was ethno-religious not racial. It was only to elite WASP schools like Harvard and Yale.
We call that the Asian Exclusion Act.
Waaah. LOL
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Oh no… Da Jokah has returned.
I told you not to invoke his name!
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Da Jokah
Sure I do. You’re mixed. Mixed isn’t white. It’s not exactly black, either. Is this realization too much for you to bear because this is your background? I suspect it is.
You’re making an awful big assumption there. Actually, I think you’re projecting. You’re bitter that whites won’t accept mixed as white.
lmao – stop it. You crack me up you really do.
I think YOU need to sort yourself out and focus on where YOU really belong. It seems like you are struggling with rejection and trying desperatly to ignore the fact that your ‘brothers’ on blogs like the one Sharina posted find your brand of ‘whiteness’ questionable at best.
“ and you go go to stormfront for “evidence”. #smh
Whats wrong with that – black is black and white is white….isnt it?
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@King: “He who must not be named. Lord Voldemort. It’s like that with Da Jokah.
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@ mary
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I cracked you a long time ago, sweety.
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Unless my memory has gone, didnt you turn tail and flee when we had a discussion (loosley put) on the Open Thread?
When you were blathering on and on about the same $hit?
By the way, calling me Sweety, must say, i’m flattered but you aint my type.
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Da jokah
That should actually tell you how much I value your logic.
Which is nothing more than those racist are wrong but these racist are right. Lol.
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Did you like my song?
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Exactly, that’s why they weren’t considered true whites, stupid.
Ethnicity exists within a race, stupid.
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abagond
@ Sharina
“There are quite a few of us that are from the south, but none of us feel the need to use country slang. Isn’t it interesting?”
I noticed that too. It is part of what makes me think he is not really black.
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I know you guys are black because you respond emotionally instead of logically.
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Omnipresent
Say little and then ignore. He is going to do nothing more than act childish, claim a win (even though he never actually addressed anything), and blame abagond for him being ridiculous.
He put in that little criteria to narrow down what one could provide to prove him wrong. Either way he proved my point.
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Did you hear something? I think thwack was attempting to be relevant.
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kiwi
Ethnicity exists within a race, stupid.
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kiwi
Ethnicity exists within a race, stupid. *yawn*
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kiwi
Ethnicity exists within a race, stupid. *scratches*
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kiwi
Ethnicity exists within a race, stupid. *clears throat*
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actually, “im fixin’ to do {whatever}” is grammatically significant because not only being part of something you hear by both southern (american) whites and blacks, it is not, as I had always interpreted it, per wiki, the future imperfect tense of AAVE/ebonics. it goes into something totally different…. it does not correlate as i can determine with the subjunctive ‘mood’ from latin or english. Wiki does pigeonhole it as that.
in latin:
“ibo
future active indicative first person singular i shall go, i am about to go, i am going to go”
cf.http://www.studyblue.com/#flashcard/view/4420170
Although I guess technically it could correlate to future subjunctive of latin
‘The present subjunctive may be used to assert many things. In general, in independent sentences, it is translated hortatorily (only in the third person plural), jussively and optatively. Portem can be translated as “Let me carry.” or “May I carry.” Portēmus can be “Let us carry”.’
“Let me go” is jussive subjunctive future tense in latin,
or simply:
“eam”
I THINK THIS COMES THE CLOSEST IN LATIN.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_Vernacular_English
“AAVE grammatical Aspects
Aspect Example SE Meaning
…
Irrealis He finna go to work. He is about to go to
work.”
cf.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrealis_mood
“Irrealis moods (abbreviated irr) are the main set of grammatical moods that indicate that a certain situation or action is not known to have happened as the speaker is talking. This contrasts with the realis moods.”
this doesn’t correlate, either, with what i understand from spanish, which admittedly is considerably less than either spanish or latin. However, that being said, it seems to go into a future conditional subjuntcive ie. “i want to go”
” In contrast: The infinitive {in the subjunctive mood} is normally used when there is no change in subject (I want to leave = Quiero salir), ”
cf.http://users.ipfw.edu/jehle/courses/SUBJNOUN.HTM
which really doesn’t translate 1->1 with my concept of “fixin” as in “i am about to go” or “i am getting ready to go”
Spanish is a bit more complex in that you can use the present tense to indicate “near future” and the bit about “necessity” with haber, ugh, it is i guess a different branch on the tree
anyway
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prolly the wrong thread too, sorry
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v8driver
prolly the wrong thread too, sorry
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I think its on the comment policy or mock ebonics thread.
English is a mongrel language; but thats exactly why its so strongular in the world today.
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@ v8driver
I did a post on tense and Ebonics:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/ebonics-time-and-tense/
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@ Thwack @ Sharina @ Buddhuu: Comments deleted for using insulting language.
https://abagond.wordpress.com/comment-policy/
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@abagond ok cool, i’m interested in that
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then there is the whole theory of it is the niger-congo west african language grammar overlaid with american words, very complicated stuff,
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v8driver
then there is the whole theory of it is the niger-congo west african language grammar overlaid with american words, very complicated stuff
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Not really, when you understand that black people in America, or even Africans in general are very first person oriented in their language, and therefore in their thought as well.
For example, if you are Christian, you were taught the Ten Commandments:
1 Thou shalt not steal…
2. Thou shalt not lie…
3. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife…
But for Africans it would be:
1. I have not stolen…
2. I have not lied….
3. I have not coveted my neighbors wife…
See the difference?
The act of “being” is everything for the African and maybe this is why we get attacked for using “be” in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd person.
Im very suspicious of white people trying to strip me of my language and trying to make me speak like them.
Why?
Because white people have constructed a language that supports and promotes white supremacy.
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I’m familiar with the 42 negative confessions
http://maatlaws.blogspot.com/2010/06/42-laws-of-maat.html
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Kiwi
*Applause*
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*Da Jokah throws Sharina a fish*
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Sharina
Say little and then ignore….
Can we change this to ‘read the commentary then laugh? 🙂
Honestly, I take my hat off to you and others on here I really do – in all seriousness, though we all have our different views that sometimes ‘agree’ we can all learn something from each other – if we let ourselves.
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@Omnipresent
Oh that would just be a perfect additive. I am laughing at his sorry attempts now.
*Laughs at da jokah and does a screen shot titled stay in school because fools are not cool*
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@Omnipresent
I agree but it is hard to learn when you have people so desperate for attention it is almost sad. Usually I would laugh my azz off but lately I am finding myself shaking my head, but I rather discuss issues and the only way to do that is really just to talk over and ignore (while laughing uncontrollably).
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If I am not mistaken you did a post on Melungeons at some point Abagond. There are quite a few such families in my area and it is interesting to see how many of them (even a few generations down) can pass for white. My uncle’s wife is a descendant of them and while she has some black features her hair and skin could easily give her a white pass. All her relatives are like that. Some are blonde even.
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Reblogged this on Life in Anglo-America.
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1664: Maryland eneacted first antiamalgamation law to prevent widespread intermarriage of English women and black men. Other colonies passed similar laws: Virginia,1691 Massachusetts, 1705; North Carolina, 1717; Delaware,1721; Pennsylvania,1725. Source:”Before The Mayflower, A History of Black America” Lerone Bennett,Jr.
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Good post. I wonder how this was connected to the Caribbean slavery situation? The first slaves over there on the islands were the natives, who died out, and then the masters brought over the white european slaves, who also died fast. In fact the first buccaneers were escaped mainly french slaves, mostly white.
Somebody over there noticed that the black slaves did not die so fast in slavery and that opened up the Big Business of trans Atlantic slavery. But the origins of the african slavery was business. There was no ideology but cost effective calculations.
I wonder was it the increase of this Caribbean slave industry that “demanded” some sort of explanation for the importation of the african slaves in huge numbers? Something hapenned in just few decades. Inb early 1600’s majority of the slaves were either white or native, but only few decades later black. And once it became big business, the “racism” was formulated to give it a reason and explanation.
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Also: the white slavery had no explanation at all. It just was what it was. During the Rome nobody even asked why some people are slaves, nor they did in the 1600’s in Europe. Or even later in Russia. Some people just were slaves. This is also weird: why there was a need to construct racism at all, when it did not matter so much before the massive black slavery of the 1600’s?
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No one believe that Rubbish. Blacks were here in America First before Whites. True Facts. Alex Haley Got all his written material for Roots from a European play writer!! No one who truly know REAL HISTORY, believe what whites have white washed. Blacks have always been in this country from the beginning sailed from Africa thousands of years ago, before the Mongoloid Indians, and way before the white man ever came over here.
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@LoM
sorry, but wrong. There is archaelogical evidence to SUPPORT that belief. Many people, esp many indigenous American peoples, do not believe this.
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LoM,
There are many ways humans could have arrived to the Americas. Do not assume that the Bering Strait land bridge theory is the only plausible explanation. And, besides, there is no “proof” of this either.
For example, humans arrived all the way to Hawaii and Easter Island. Do you think that they all came by land bridges?
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