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  1. A new Open Thread.

    The old one, which was getting to long, is here:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/open-thread-2/open-thread/

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  2. Hang in there, Peanut

    Abagond, note to you, I havent exited your blog at all, Im listening…after being falsly acused of “stalking”, I want to make it plain to you that that was catagoricly false , by not even commenting

    I prefer to not subject myself to slander by not participating in the conversation and show that acuasations of me “stalking” are ridiculas

    I am enjoying reading your blog

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  3. Anyone ever read Medical Apartheid by Harriet A. Washington? It is so horrific the accounts made in the book regarding early medical procedures and the enslaved in the USA. Those MDs were no more than butchers back in the day. I’m not even half way through, but I’m compelled to finish it.

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  4. A meta analysis of polls shows a 91.6% chance for a President Obama victory. Woooooo!😄 Please be true….the American people/world deserve a leader with competence, integrity, and humanity.

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/04/state-and-national-polls-come-into-better-alignment/

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  5. While reading blogs, I discovered new horrors of slavery; the rape of black men, and the lynching of black women. I read about the case of Mary Turner. There are no words to describe the sickness of this filth. Of course none of this is ever taught in schools.

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  6. How long do you all think it’ll take for this one to fill up? It seems to happen faster and faster.😛

    Also, nice posts on your visit, Peanut. Almost makes me want to visit Brazil again.

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  7. @Peanut ; Nice blog nice pictures of Brazil, I had no idea racism was so prevalent. Such a beautiful looking people and ugly spirits. smh..

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  8. Happy we can have our Commander In Chief another 4 years. God bless The Obamas and The United States. Praying for everyone one the east coast. Stay warm Abagond.

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  9. And then Mary reminds me that I didn’t read the second post, and my nice feelings towards Brazil evaporate entirely.😦

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  10. @ Peanut

    Please keep writing about Brazil!

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  11. People, Brazil is racist, discriminatory, has colorisation etc, but, Peanut is writing about her American co workers

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  12. i heard brazil was racist they had a music video mockin dark skin women. like alot of other countries with dark skin ppl they treat them different and worship lighter skin. i was shocked to learn blacks weren;t the only ones that deal with light vs dark skin issues.i sometimes see posts where cubans and other light skin latinos will say harsh things about brazilians,dominicans,and puerto ricans.

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  13. I wonder how long before “they” exploit this bright ladies with their hard work and innovation. I wish them well! http://io9.com/5958887/oh-this-just-some-teenage-girls-from-africa-who-invented-a-urine+powered-generator#13524748923403

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  14. Sorry for the language, but “Wow….what a friggin’ baby.”

    Anders Brevik the “Aryan Champion” (who had to get surgery to look Aryan), is complaining about his “inhumane” prison conditions. Some complaints in his 27 page letter to the guards included that his three section cell suite and coffee are cold, not enough butter on his bread, and he’s not allowed skin moisturizer.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/11/09/norway-massacre-breivik-prison-condition-complaints/1695835/

    I wonder how much he’d hate the taste of an American, or Developing World prison.

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  15. He is ‘superior’, hence his ‘superior’ attitude. You cannot make this s**t up!

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  16. As of Saturday November 10, 2012, citizens from 15 States have petitioned the Obama Administration for withdrawal from the United States of America in order to create its own government.

    States following this action include: Louisiana, Texas, Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, North Carolina, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, Colorado, Oregon and New York. These States have requested that the Obama Administration grant a peaceful withdrawal from the United States.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/15-states-including-texas-have-filed-a-petition-to-secede-from-the-united-states-1?fb_action_ids=10151078848096504&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=timeline_og&action_object_map=%7B“10151078848096504”%3A415461161854039%7D&action_type_map=%7B”10151078848096504″%3A”og.likes”%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D

    Idiots!!!

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  17. The potential for another autocratic Arab regime topped in Jordan:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/14/riots-erupt-in-jordan-the-end-of-absolute-monarchy.html

    President Obama’s political influence is far-reaching. Let’s hope that Jordan is able to transition to popularly elected governance in the near future and nothing like Syria happens there.

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  18. Maine GOP Chair charges voter fraud by “dozens of Black people.”

    http://www.salon.com/2012/11/15/maine_gop_chair_alleges_possible_voter_fraud_by_dozens_of_black_people/

    Just when you thought that the GOP couldnt sink any lower…

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  19. @ Abagond

    I would love to hear your commentary of Lincoln. It comes out this weekend. I want to go see it, but I don’t know if my expectations will be let down. Steven Spielberg does have a good track record regarding getting the historical lens (ie. Schlinder’s List, Saving Private Ryan, and The Color Purple)

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  20. @ Lifelearner

    I will not be able to see it this weekend but I hope to see it next week over thanksgiving. I will write a post on it when I do.

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  21. @ Peanut

    Travel safe! I loved your posts about Brazil. I hope you can do a few more.

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  22. on Sat 17 Nov 2012 at 22:25:00 mstoogood4yall

    abe lincoln was racist heres a quote. “I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

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  23. @ Peanut

    “especially you abagond! your blog was like a little piece of home that I could take with me on my travels.”

    Wow, cool – and flattering. Glad to be of assistance!

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  24. One word. Blackemon. I laughed so hard that I vomited up my rice and peas.

    http://tommysotomayor.com/?p=12426

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  25. The significance of the legalization of marijuana in Colorado and Washington and its impact on the drug war in North and South America:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-20397335#TWEET378521

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  26. @ Peanut

    LOL! Have a Happy Thanksgiving too!

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  27. ^ What?? If Abagond is indeed “getting some” he is certainly required to blog about it 🙂

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  28. Just wanted to wish you all a Happy and safe Thanksgiving!

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  29. on Thu 22 Nov 2012 at 14:24:21 mstoogood4yall

    happy thanksgiving, but i looked up the real story and its so sad and horrific. In 1637 near present day Groton, Connecticut, over 700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe had gathered for their annual Green Corn Festival which is our Thanksgiving celebration. In the predawn hours the sleeping Indians were surrounded by English and Dutch mercenaries who ordered them to come outside. Those who came out were shot or clubbed to death while the terrified women and children who huddled inside the longhouse were burned alive. The next day the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared “A Day Of Thanksgiving” because 700 unarmed men, women and children had been murdered.

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  30. @ mstoogood4all

    Actually the events you describe are from the Pequot War (1634–1638) which began as a trade dispute involving the Pequot and the Dutch and the mistaken killing of a group of English traders who were mistakenly thought to be Dutch. Anyway, the origins of the celebration go back beyond the Pequot War. Early trade association between the English and the Virginia Algonquians peoples were much less troubled, but in any case, the Thanksgiving holiday is not a celebration of the events of the Pequot War.

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  31. Peanut you are seriously having some Abagond-withdrawal. LOL. Just playing.😛

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  32. lol – I DIDNT. lemme see whats in the Bulanik mix today.

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  33. Yes. Its gorgeous. The Gen Y-er in me had to fast forward the opening monologue though. But the music is superb. Thanks Bulanik.

    On another note a reminder of the voices of the White-Right (wing):

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/24/1163910/-Saturday-hate-mail-a-palooza-pre-election-predictions-edition?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos%29

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  34. @ Bulanik,

    ^^ Oops. I misread your post with my first response. I thought it said “Did you HEAR the music vid that i sent you a week ago?” not “Did you like…”

    I missed that post a week ago – thats what I meant when i said that I didn’t (hear it) but that i wanted to see what you had so i was going to scroll up. Then my second response says how i actually feel about it once i had heard it. The saxophone is beautiful as are the vocals.

    Very confusing responses on my part. Excuse me.

    *puts down the blunt*

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  35. @ Peanut

    I almost always get diarrhoea when I travel overseas. In most cases it goes away on its own, but two times it did not. One time it hung on for like two weeks before I went to see the doctor and he put me on antibiotics. A clear liquid diet (soup, juice, etc) helped it to be not so bad till it went away.

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  36. @ Peanut

    I you have not deleted your book don’t! Even if you think it sucks and is going nowhere now, you might be able to do something with it later.

    If you sent anything to me to read in the last week or so I have not received it. You will need to send it again.

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  37. @ Peanut

    “But abagond goes through this phase where he ignores me and won’t respond to my comments at all and stuff…so i never know what to expect from him.”

    I have been sort of out of circulation since the middle of last week. I was not purposely ignoring you or anything like that.

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  38. @ Peanut,

    I think your book probably rocks! Keep writing! It isn’t easy. For anyone. But keep doing it while you develop your voice it will get better and better. Abagond can attest to that I am sure. Good luck! =)

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  39. Peanut , I would think that if it was something in Brazil, it would have hit you there , it sounds strange if it came from Brazil that it would kick in after you got back, unless it was the last meals or the airplane food …if its Dengue fever, that kicks in about 10 days later or so, but that would be achy bones and horrible headache…for sure go see a doctor if it doesnt get better…

    Ive always been getting sick in South Beach, but, no matter what, anytraveling outside of the country you are accostomed to, has lots of differant bacterias that your stomach has to get used to…good luck on getting better

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  40. @ Peanut

    You had one of those days, huh? If all you have is just plain diarrhoea and nothing else that points to some kind of disease, I had awful diarrhoea for about 2 weeks a while ago. I couldn’t leave home because of it. The doctors just threw pills at me and didn’t tell me what it was. It wasn’t until the second doctor told me to completely avoid these foods: oily (no frying, no butter/margarine on any bread), no dairy products, no meat, no fish. Eating apples also helps. The days of sticking to that were excruciatingly boring because homes here do not automatically come with ovens and grills, so I had to boil everything. Flavourless, soggy and gross… but it worked. If not, I’d recommend getting some anti-diarrhoeal medicine. Hope you’re feeling better soon.

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  41. @ Bulanik.

    True. You and your tunes are great – keep on posting them (at least thats my selfishness speaking =))

    IN my opinion this board has a lot of outstanding commentors and i think everyone feels ignored at sometime.

    I know that others and myself have felt the same way.

    But that doesnt mean you should ignore the feeling of falling into the background.

    I think the idea that you mentioned that some Brothers have suggested of getting your own blog would be kick a$$. There is currently a gap in the internet content – one that has your name on it. Fill that gap if that feels natural.

    Thats my pov.

    I know ill be reading (even if i dont post all the time). =)

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  42. @ Bulanik:

    Perhaps you should give blogging a try. Going by what I’ve read of your many contributions here on Abagond, your blog would be insightful and thought provoking.

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  43. @ Bulanik

    Wow, I never thought of myself as attracting that much attention nor being very memorable, but that you mentioned me as one of the people whose comments you come to read is very flattering! Especially since I feel very much the same as Leigh204. Often, I find your comments are some of the most interesting and enlightening to read and I think many regulars here feel much the same way about you.🙂 I would read your blog, even if it’s posted on irregularly and jumps from one thing to another. Ultimately, whether you want one or not is up to you, though.

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  44. @ everyone,

    Just got a great email! Had to pass on the message. I am being examed for a university student government p0sition in immigration!!! Wooo. This is what Ive been wanting for soo long. Dreams do come true!!! Now I have to pass two tests and face-to-face oral exams. Can’t wait to try. =D here is hoping i pass…

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  45. @ Bulanik,

    Thanks – looking forward to reading more from you!😉

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  46. @ JT

    Good luck!

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  47. @JT
    That’s great to hear! I’m sure you’ll do fantastic.😉

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  48. Thanks @ abagond & @ tehnoun,

    Thank you kind Sir(s). We’ll see what happens! I would really like to work for the government and help change things in the immigration system from inside out. Obviously, that doesnt start from day 1 but something that would be a long term project…project infiltration …muahah. =) Just playing. Ill follow the rules but with a more progressive bent. Thats all im saying.😄

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  49. All this talk about Christmas-related stuff has saddened me. This is the first Christmas without my mama. I went shopping at the mall today and while listening to the Christmas songs being played in the stores, I became emotional and I broke down in tears. My mom’s favorite song em”Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas” came on. When I was a little girl, I would play this song for her on the piano and she would sing. Now my mom’s Filipino accent was very thick. And she was so proud of herself that she could sing this particular song entirely in English without stumbling. Oh, those sweet memories. Gosh, I miss her so much.😦

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  50. @ JT

    Congrats on getting to do the exams and good luck for all the tests.🙂

    @ Bulanik

    No need to thank me.🙂

    If you do decide to start a blog once you’ve tackled your workload, I’ll be looking forward to reading it!

    It’s not too hard for me to believe that you’re rather silent offline. After all, I’m actually very much the same myself! People always complain I don’t talk enough. Writing is far easier than speaking when it comes to putting my thoughts and feelings into words.

    Despite what you say about the difficulties of writing, it has always been my impression that writing well comes naturally and easily for you since you explain everything so well.

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  51. @ JT:

    That’s awesome news! Best of luck in your test and oral exams!

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  52. @ Bulanik:

    Thank you for your support and encouragement! I spoke with my significant other just now about what happened and he said he would play that Christmas song in remembrance of her and for the good times we had. I smiled in anticipation.

    And I find it comforting that I’m not alone in all this. I know you, dear Bulanik, that you are experiencing the same feelings regarding the loss of your father. This makes us kindred spirits. We’ll get through this. I’m sure of it.🙂

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  53. @JT
    Miss, sweetie. Unless something has changed that I wasn’t aware of.😛

    Still, it’s nice to hear things are working out the way you planned. Good luck!🙂

    @Bulanik
    You don’t give yourself enough credit. Your comments are always some of the most insightful around. A blog by you would be a real treat, but don’t feel pressured to do anything if your workload would make running a blog difficult (which I’m not the best example of, given my horrible update schedule).🙂

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  54. @ leigh204 & Bulanik

    Wishing you both courage and strength as well as all the love and support you need for the holidays! I’m sure you’ll both make it through.

    Bulanik, I think everyone loves you.😉

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  55. Time flies when there’s too much work and not enough play.

    Anyhow, just have to get this off my chest:

    I am so tired of these idiot politicians in the US!

    Now that the election is over, these Republican idiots haven’t yet got the clue that everyone is sick of them and everyone just wants them to Shut Up and do their job in Congress…which is –Fix the Mess that You All Created 10+ years ago.

    The majority of the population just made it loud and clear that they are sick of Republicans and their big mouths — that’s why they lost the Election in a big way….and as usual they are Not listening.

    They keep talking and talking about Susan Rice and Benghazi…before the attack, none of those Republican people (or even half the population in America) could spell the word “Benghazi”, much less find it on the map….all of a sudden–everyone’s an expert and a critic about Libya, Syria and the middle east.

    The Republicans started a war in Iraq based on a HUGE lie, which they bold-facedly repeated over and over, and now 10 years later (4000+ dead Americans and 1+ million dead Iraqis later), everyone is supposed to look to the Republicans as the torch-bearers of Truth and Light..

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  56. Funny news of the day:

    $150 million dollar fail by Jewish-American magnate to get President Obama out of office:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/03/sheldon-adelson-2012-election_n_2223589.html?utm_hp_ref=canada&ir=Canada

    Geez … even i could have saved him money – it was obvious to many that President Obama would be reelected.

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  57. That snow effect startled me for a moment. I thought something was wrong with my monitor or something.

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  58. Everyone,

    Forgive me for intruding, but the following is a continuation of a long argument eco is having with a statement I made in a post entitled “Why do whites, hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?”

    “And why should it matter if others should or should not agree with me, or accept my claims as the truth? ”

    Do you consider saying ignorant things as something negative? If you don’t, then you don’t have to care if the things that you believe are true are actually true. If you do, then you might want to analyze which elements of your worldview can be considered true, ‘objective’, and which are a matter of a person’s perspective, their individual experiences and beliefs. Being precise and avoiding talking about large, vaguely defined groups of people would be a nice touch too.

    You can’t even answer a simple question, eco. Plus, you have shown not only your arrogance but how inflated your ego is. What I’ve said came from my worldview. Like I’ve said over and over, part of what I said was based on research. Still, this is a personal view that I have of the world.

    Whether or not you agree with it or think it’s rational doesn’t matter. It matters less than yet another attempt to pick apart and cherry pick another response to keep the conversation going veering it to a subject about how you – that’s right, you think it’s wrong and the millions of reasons why. None of which matters to me because I don’t care. I don’t see why you do, and yet, you can’t explain why you do.

    “So, why are you even bothering to drag this on if nobody, including you, according to you, has a reasoning most appropriate for this conversation?”

    That’s not what I said. There MAY be a reasoning better than the one I presented, but such a reasoning hasn’t been put forward yet.

    And I have a feeling that won’t accept that reasoning because it interferes with your reasoning. So, what’s the point in continuing this argument? So that you can have the final say? So you can win? What is it?

    “I don’t see why this is such a big deal to you. Nobody does.”

    That’s true. A lot of people here do not recognize ignorance when the ignorant statement fits into their worldview. Apparently some believe that certain ways of thinking are wrong only when the people they disagree with use these ways of thinking.

    That is such smugness. You, once again, are implying that what I said was ignorant. And it is based on what? Whatever it is, it’s based on what you say as if you have the ultimate qualifications to determine what’s what.

    Then, you say that most people here, which I assume you mean the regulars of this blog, don’t recognize ignorance if it fits their worldview. If it does fit their worldview, why call it ignorant if they have dealt with complications related to the subject in the first place? In that case it’s only ignorant to those who could not and would not consider that the perspective of others is different from their own only to call it ignorant and wrong.

    Next, Some believe that certain ways of thinking are wrong if those ways disrupt the basic human rights which include happiness and heath, among others. If a certain mentality hurts them in such a way that scars them somehow, they have a right to speak up for themselves and say what’s wrong. And that’s what I’ve done in that post. Plain and simple.

    You see eco, that’s what white racism does to POC everyday. It is based on nothing more than the notion that white skin tones are indicators of intelligence and strong moral values. So, when POC have something to say about that, those, like what you’ve done in the post, call it wrong, immoral and racist. Yet, those same people will not acknowledge the real power which is white racism. The trolls that you see represent that mentality, and they have same plenty of offensive crap that pours salt into the deep wounds of POC. Why? Because it continues to exist. White racism won’t allow itself to die as long as those with the white racial frame want to keep it alive and going so that whiteness continues to be the false norm and a phony, cheap cloak of supremacy.

    Now, I know what you’re going to do, you’re going to keep this going with more redundant questions and more pseudo-logical assumptions. The truth is eco is that you are being highly illogical yourself.

    In the first place I don’t want to pull any straws, but how could you know what it’s like to be a POC in a white dominated society? Let’s go a little deeper while being critical, who could you know I was talking about ALL white people all over the world? How do you know I wasn’t just referring to whites in the West? How do you know I wasn’t referring to most or many whites in the West?

    You’re basing your arguments on a mere assumption, an assumption you want to take apart and reassemble into something other than what it was.

    That is highly illogical.

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  59. @ Brothawolf,

    Sounds exhausting. Kudos for holding your ground. I would ban his @$$. Just for tiring me out and thinking he can justify racism as a logical extension of his experience. That is just annoying and probably even trolling.

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  60. Looks like we have a Trevan Martin part II brewing:

    http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/this_is_no_country_for_young_black_men_20121203/

    http://blackstarnews.com/news/135/ARTICLE/8575/2012-12-03.html

    I hadn’t heard of this story till today. The woman speech in the video is riveting.

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  61. @ Abagond

    Is there a reason why you no longer have the map icon that displays the various countries that visit your blog? It was quite interesting piece of information. Twitter lingo now in its place. I’m guessing a majority of hits are from the USA. I definitely could be wrong😉

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  62. @ lifelearner

    I got rid of those. I did a post on the traffic on this blog. I has a screen capture of one of the widgets:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/traffic-on-this-blog/

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  63. @brothawolf

    I think our conversation doesn’t belong here. IMO it’s safe to assume that most people who visit this topic are not familiar with the details of our discussion and, more importantly, they do not care.

    Oh well… Here is my summary of our exchange of comments…
    My point is very simple. People are not supposed to make generalizations about millions of other people they’ve never met and say/pretend their opinion about those millions of people is the truth. It may seem like the truth to the person voicing the opinion, it may look justified, but it is not ‘objectively’ true. It’s an opinion, a belief, their perspective, etc.

    Brothawolf keeps bringing up his subjective experiences and the experiences of other people he knows to justify his generalizations, but doesn’t seem to get why that can’t make the generalizations ‘objective’, that in order to be ‘objectively’ true they can’t rely on anyones opinion. I said that people who can’t recognize their opinions as what they are and try to make it seem as if their subjective beliefs were ‘objectively’ true are being ignorant and illogical.

    I feel my point is clear, but he keeps trying to present it as something it is not: me attacking his freedom of speech, me telling him how he should think/feel, me protecting white racists, some kind of personal feud, etc. I think he either doesn’t understand why my point is or is trying to avoid a conversation about which aspects of his worldview are ‘objectively’ true.

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  64. @ Eco,

    Don’t pi$$ on someone and then tell them its raining. Or if you do, expect that it will come back your way and then some.

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  65. @ Abagond

    Cool stuff right there. Now if you only there were a monetary exchange for each hit your received. You would be rich, my friend!😉

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  66. @JT

    I’ve criticized him and constructed a reasonable argument. In return he rants about his experiences and tries to make it look as if I was attacking their validity and the experiences of all other POC. Instead of constructing a rational defense, he is trying to appeal to ‘bystanders’ (in this topic and on his blog), hoping others will accept his narrative, ignore my actual point and side with him because they feel empathy for him. You see that as a strong comeback? Looks more like the Black version of white woman’s tears to me.

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  67. eco,

    I don’t care if other people are familiar of what’s going on with his argument or not. I brought it over here because it was making the thread longer and harder to load, and it was veering off course of the topic of the post itself.

    Once again, you are bringing up my comment as a case of generalization of millions of certain people. Yet, you have not said one word to the countless trolls who take it upon themselves to do the same thing with nonsensical reasons. I never said that it was objective. I said that there are many POC who share the same sentiments based on their experiences. So, there must be some truth to it. And I’ve brought other examples to back up my case.

    My point is clear also. I’ve stated firmly that I will not take it back no matter what you or anyone else says. The only person seem obsessed with trying to take it apart and make someone the bad guy is you. I told I am done. Yet, you continue to beat a dead horse. This is why I think you want to have the last say and win this argument.

    Finally, I presented it as best as I can. You are the one telling me in some way or other, over and over that it’s illogical or wrong without any good reasons.

    And what good reason is there for me or anyone else not to think you are protecting white racists, that you are taking this personal, and the like? So far, all of the evidence is against you, and you just can’t or won’t see it. That’s why I don’t think you’re being as logical as you say you are.

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  68. eco,

    What makes your argument any more reasonable than mine? That is just your opinion and not a fact.

    Others have accepted my points many times because they can relate. What I’ve said was identifiable because they’ve had similar experiences or they agree on certain topics.

    Does that happen all the time? No. And that’s okay. I don’t try to argue with them unless they bring it in a disrespectful, pretentious way as if to say I don’t know what I’m talking about.

    I’m not here to play on anyone sympathies the same way some white women do as you’re brought up white woman’s tears. I’m here because this is the one place online or anywhere where I feel like I can learn and give feedback. I don’t pretend to know more than everyone on a particular subject and act high and mighty especially when they give their opinions. The only time I ever go on the “attack” is when, and only when, certain people start something they can’t finish.

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  69. @brothawolf

    “you have not said one word to the countless trolls who take it upon themselves to do the same thing with nonsensical reasons.”

    So? Does that make my point in your particular case any less valid?
    I have mentioned I do recognize their actions as wrong, but I generally avoid having conversations with people who do not seem reasonable. Why should i waste my time on them? Just so you wouldn’t feel singled out?

    “I never said that it was objective.”

    You presented your opinion, your generalization, as the only possible conclusion. That implies objectivity.

    “I told I am done. Yet, you continue to beat a dead horse.”

    We are both replying to each other. We are equally responsible for the fact that this conversation hasn’t ended.

    “What makes your argument any more reasonable than mine? That is just your opinion and not a fact. ”

    The truth is ‘objective’. That is one fact. Subjective opinions based on a person’s experiences are not ‘objective’. That’s another one. Claiming a cherry picked group can be representative of millions of people is subjective unless a ‘objective’ justification/explanation exists. Third one.
    My argument is more reasonable because I’m relying on obvious facts and basic logic and not my personal feelings, opinions or experiences.

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  70. Legion,

    You’re right. This has gone on far enough.

    Eco,

    If you haven’t applied your “logic” to the dipstick trolls who have made clearly racist comments regarding blacks but instead leach on to my one and only comment regarding my so-called generalization of whites, that makes you look like somewhat of a hypocrite and someone incapable of having a serious conversation with regarding the issue of race and racism.

    I already said my piece, and this case is closed. And in closing, I suggest you stop showing off as if you are some highly logical and morally responsible paragon. I’ve presented my arguments appropriately, staying within the original thread.

    I never said that my worldview is objective and you know it. So, don’t try to spin what I’ve said to mold yourself in your self-serving image to satisfy your ego. I said my piece and more.

    The only one making a fool out of himself is you because you’re arguing with a man of color that you have NO clue about the subject important to him. You don’t know what you’re talking about and you need to humble yourself and quit putting up a front.

    That’s why I’m closing this circus, once and for all. It’s gone off long enough and it’s getting extremely pathetic. You are trying to find illogical flaws in a conversation that doesn’t call for a logic test in the first damn place especially since racism isn’t logical in the first place. You merely are trying to portray yourself in a role that isn’t for you. You can think what you want to think and I can do the same and move on. That’s why I’m saving any more further embarrassment by calling this case closed.

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  71. @brothawolf

    I would have been a hypocrite If I applied different standards of logic to you and the trolls. I haven’t. In my first comment addressed to you I have pointed out you are using a faulty thought process they are using too. The fact that I chose to talk to you merely means that I preferred talking to you over discussing this with them.

    If you really believe that the fact that you haven’t explicitly called your opinion “objective” and have based it on your unique experiences means it shouldn’t be criticized, then you should apply this to the trolls too. Why should they be criticized? Why are their generalizations (about Black intelligence or violence, etc.) wrong? They are only voicing their opinions based on their experiences. They are not explicitly saying their beliefs are the ‘objective’ truth. Can we know how it feels to be them? Can we know and understand what they experience? Nope. So, can we determine that their generalizations are wrong? Yeah, by knowing how to distinguish opinion from fact. We do not have to know how it feels to be them to be able to recognize that what they are saying just isn’t ‘objectively’ true.

    Racism being logical or illogical has nothing to do with it. It’s just a context in which the thought process of the generalizations is being used in this particular case. People can make this kind of flawed generalizations about many other things.

    You are right about one thing – I’m not an authority on logic. I just value it. It allows people to draw a line between subjective and ‘objective’ things – to realize what is actually true and what only seems true to them.

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  72. @ Eco,

    Why don’t you invest some time reviewing Abagond’s/Brothawolf’s/others archives of SYSTEMIC and PROLONGED WHITE INSTITUTIONAL RACISM. There are probably millions of exhibits of evidence. Instead of relying on Brothawolf to issue all of them to you in the course of a response and then for you to try and pedantically pick them apart to make a conclusion that he is illogical and that SYSTEMIC and PROLONGED WHITE INSTITUTIONAL RACISM does not exist nor ever existed.

    You might learn a lot – or nothing – this all depends on how open your mind is.

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  73. @ Eco,

    Furthermore, your false equivalence of Black people expressing their dismay with the system vs. the cyber-KKK community (i.e. most whites that wage verbal wars on this subject) is especially LUDICROUS considering the context of the last 500 years of history and the social-economic pit that white people have tried to shove Black people down. It is not hard to see this if you have eyes open. And there are more enough illustrations of this subjugation outlined on this website and others. If you are SERIOUS about discussion, do your homework first and then maybe talk can be had on equal understanding. Right now you are woefully unprepared to come to the table.

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  74. on Mon 10 Dec 2012 at 02:48:29 mstoogood4yall

    it was a fireball that landed somewhere here in texas yesturday. its lookin like the maya prediction is being somewhat true.anyway the stores are already being packed as hell and christmas songs are playing. i don’t like christmas music that much but i love mariah careys all i want for christmas and silent night.what is everyone else favorite songs?

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  75. on Mon 10 Dec 2012 at 02:58:40 mstoogood4yall

    i love old school music because it was a story that the artist told and some of the great songs were recorded during jim crow. they were used to show others that blacks loved,laughed,and felt pain too. now music today is just full of ppl that act and are being someone they are not[rick ross] just to get money.the rappers today talk about struggling and im just like what. ppl back then had to struggle because of racism,lynchings,and unemploement and being uneducated, you maybe have to deal with 2 of those things. i like tv one more than bet because it has shows on there that aren’t showing all the sterotypes of black ppl but Bet does. i hope more black ppl wake up and not try to be like the blacks they see on tv.i miss good black shows like the cosby show,sanford and son.and good times. its like 1 step forward 2 steps back. there is punishment for killing blacks now[1 step forward]. now we have ghetto shows like basketball wives and terrible rappers who promote drugs and sex[2 steps back].blacks need more positive shows now more than ever because now we are not held back physically but only mentally if we overcome that we will be on the right track.

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  76. @ mstoogood4yall

    My all time favorite Christmas songs are Silent Night by the Temptations, This Christmas by Donny Hathaway (blame my parents, always enjoyed old school music, growing up in the 90s🙂 ) and would also have to agree with you on TV programs nowadays. I enjoy TVone as well-Amen, Different World, Martin are some of my favs as well. The only reality TV I do watch is Tia &Tamara, Welcome to Sweetie Pies, and Fix My Life.

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  77. on Mon 10 Dec 2012 at 05:32:46 mstoogood4yall

    @lifelearner

    i love those shows as well and i feel tvone is more for empowering and educating blacks than bet is.isnt sweetie pies the show on oprahs network that has the highest ratings outta all the shows on there, and am i the only one that thinks charles is gay.iylana fix my life is great too that episode with that woman leaving her family for another man was crazy.

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  78. on Mon 10 Dec 2012 at 06:23:34 mstoogood4yall

    Abagond i love your blog and i love that i can type how i feel without being moderated. Other black websites i’ve been to have nothing but posts about dumb rappers and swirling like bossip and madamenoire. I cant stand those websites because the posters on there are mostly trolls and say negative things about bw/bm and are rude. The posters here are kind,educated,and enlightening. Even when there is a disagreement they don’t resort to cursing and calling each other racial slurs.

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  79. on Mon 10 Dec 2012 at 06:33:30 mstoogood4yall

    im thinking of changing my poster name…. any suggestions

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  80. mstoogood4yall

    How ’bout *Good4All* or *Good4U*

    : )

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  81. @mstoogood4yall

    LOL! about Charles on Sweeties Pies. You are not alone. I thought the same thing. Or maybe he’s just effeminate, he does hang around a lot of women. I support OWN, some folks can’t stand Oprah, but she really is a great role model, at least to me😉 Iyanla show is off the chain, she tells those folk like it TIS!

    as far as name change, maybe? *2Good4U* or *MissGoodie* or *2Good2B*

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  82. on Mon 10 Dec 2012 at 20:17:08 mstoogood4yall

    lol thanks for the suggestions. i had toogood4u as a name b4 but ppl thought i was a boy so i changed it.

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  83. @JT

    You have extremely misunderstood and misrepresented my comments.

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  84. on Fri 14 Dec 2012 at 23:31:14 mstoogood4yall

    a gunman killed 20 kids and 6 adults in conneticut pray for the families.this is tragic that kids can;t even go to school to learn without being shot by another studentor adult,or be bullied by both adults and students,and deal with teachers having sex with students.school is definetly not the place it used to be.now they are saying the gunman had mental illness i can figure out his race based on that.

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  85. on Sat 15 Dec 2012 at 01:56:20 mstoogood4yall

    @peanut

    i think gun control is a great idea its just most ppl say its making the good suffer with the bad.i definetely think they need to have mental evaluations on all ppl that purchase guns.if you wanna homeschool your kids go for it. i was homeschooled and am grateful when i see how some of my classmates turned out.

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  86. on Sat 15 Dec 2012 at 02:06:03 mstoogood4yall

    whites don’t want gun control and say it is to protect against the government and criminals. well where are u gun enthusiasts when ish like this goes down where are your armed militias.thats right their too busy killin young black men instead of killing the real murderers.guns are a part of their history. guns and whites go way back from the killing of natives for manifest destiny to using guns to keep the blacks in line during slavery and jim crow.to the modern of using guns to kill innocent kids.most of these ppl just have guns for the what if scenario but i know more stories of guns being used for bad than good.if the good gun owners must suffer with the bad so be it if it saves lives. if the good gun owners are really good they won;t mind going through more red tape to get or keep guns to keep guns outta the wrong hands. i know the ppl are going to defend guns and say well in china a man stabbed 20 kids and that’s a weapon too. guns are more deadly than knives will ever be just ask the natives and africans that tried to bring a knife or spear to a gun fight against the white man.

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  87. on Sat 15 Dec 2012 at 19:36:09 mstoogood4yall

    @ Peanut

    I feel you and i am outraged as well. The thing that cheers me up is the upcoming days i’m staying in and gettin my popcorn to watch these crazy people go crazy because they think the world is going to end because some ancient ppl said so.Its funny to me how whites say they believe in god but the moment someone says the world is going to end and there is some science involved they forget all about what the lord said about nobody will know the time nor the hour not even jesus himself only the father.So unless the mayans are god their ish is invalid.

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  88. on Sat 15 Dec 2012 at 19:53:22 mstoogood4yall

    @ peanut

    The other thing that i find funny is how everything is whitewashed. Santa is white and jesus is supposedly white. Its like white savior stereotype is everywhere.Behave little black kids and you too will get presents from the great white man known as Santa Claus.Santa will bring your black a.ss a present even if you live in the hood and have been good,but your parents can’t afford gifts.There will be presents under your tree. Child wakes up the next morning no presents.Momma why are there no presents.well child we couldn;t afford them this year sorry. But santa is supposed to bring me presents i’ve been good haven’t i ? Yes you have. Then why didn’t i get presents but cindy lou who is always picking on others that aren’t like her, how come she gets presents. she should have gotten coal. Well sweetie your father and I couldn’t afford to and her parents could.But santa was supposed to bring me a present then. Sorry son but Santa isn’t real. What?!! Then there won’t be a great white man coming to give me presents and take me to white heaven.That is an excert from my upcomin book entitled Behave Little Black Child: A Christmas story. My next book is going to be titled Behave Black Man: A Gun owner’s Handbook.

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  89. @ mstoogood

    “My next book is going to be titled Behave Black Man: A Gun owner’s Handbook.”—ROFL…Thank you for that. I was about to write a long rant about the shooting and read that and decided not to.

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  90. @mstoogood4yall
    After reading your comments, I’m beginning to agree with your username.😛

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  91. @ Peanut

    I told my kids straight that there is no santa. Save them from the harsh reality later in life.

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  92. on Sun 16 Dec 2012 at 07:35:35 mstoogood4yall

    lol thanks yall are too much. i love making people laugh. it is sad what tragedies happen daily in our world but if you can smile you win.i wonder why ppl do tell their kids santa is real. i think its peoples way of manipulating their kids to act right when they won’t listen to them,but that fails when they become teens.

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  93. Ok Peanut so we are to believe that this heavily armed guy dressed in all black with body armor(pretty convenient since he killed himself) brought three guns “legally” owned by his mom. First his mother worked there…. then his mother may have worked there. Look either she did or she didn’t. There should be no may have and if she worked there then why wasn’t she there? and if your beef was with your mom then why go to her “school” and kill all kinds of kids with no motive. Even you guys that think there are white nuts who are prone to be serial killers have to think this doesn’t add up. I mean first they were saying the mom was a teacher then she may have volunteered there. I just don’t get it.

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  94. check it out .. now they’re saying his mom had no affiliation with the school. So first you kill your mom with no known motive… then you go to a school that your mom was at first a teacher then a volunteer then no known affiliation… now “maybe” the shooter went there….. If these fuckers are pulling some funny stuff we need to take action. I hope I’m wrong and there is no conspiracy and the news people were false reporting on some hunches or false reports…. if not I’m very worried.

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  95. on Sun 16 Dec 2012 at 15:52:13 mstoogood4yall

    how does that not add up.There was a guy a couple years ago that went to a school board meeting and tried to kill the board memebers because his wife was fired.the guy that shot up that conneticut school didn’t need a motive crazy people don’t need a motive.The guy that shot up the movie theater didn’t need a motive either he just did it or do you think he had something against twilight.people don’t need a motive to do terrible things and its not the prosecutors job to know the motive it just helps them make their case sound more convincing.The media is always mixing up facts it doesn’t matter if she was a teacher or a volunteer either way the fact is she had connections to the school.It would be suspicious to me if she didn’t work there and her son had no guns or had an alibi.this case is closed.

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  96. People are saying that all of these recent massacres are a part of a larger orchestrated plan to crack down on personal gun ownership. I don’t know if that’s true but I don’t believe in coincidences and especially not back-to-back stuff like this. Initially in the presstitute they reported a 2nd gunman, what happened to that? In the Aurora shooting intitially eyewitnesses were saying they saw 2 gunmen but you don’t hear about that anymore. Bottom Line: you can’t trust anything the media says and you cannot put anything past the US govt–they have proven time and time again that they have no problem killing ‘innocents’ to move forward a larger agenda, ie: 9/11.

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  97. on Sun 16 Dec 2012 at 23:11:27 mstoogood4yall

    lol peanut that song is funny now its stuck in my head.

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  98. @ maat433

    Manchurian Candidates
    Mind Control
    Project MK Ultra
    False Flag Operations
    Managed/Conditioned/Programmed Societies & Populations
    Gun Control
    Dumbed Down Curriculums
    Depopulation agendas
    Secret FEMA Concentration Camps
    Police State
    Genetically Modified Foods, etc..
    Biological, Genetic Warfare
    Deadly Vaccines
    The North American Union/Amero
    New World Order
    One World Govt
    Powerful Lobbies
    Bankers, Fiat Money, IMF, WTO
    Secret Experiments

    …just to name a few things THEY have in mind for us…
    even the institutional so-called church has been compromised (they should all echo the message/warnings of Rev Jeremiah Wright)

    There are no coincidences, or accidents!

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  99. Chocolate balls……

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  100. @ Peanut

    No. I took a wild guess. LOL

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  101. @Legion
    I am the General of the Feminist Legions. PREPARE TO DIE!😛

    You avatar does look nice, Bulanik.

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  102. @Bulainik; You are just stunning if that’s you in your avatar.

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  103. @Bulainik; I want a picture of a weeping angel statue, I think they are beautiful.

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  104. I saw one in a cemetary and it moved me.

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  105. I do love tehnoun’s rainbow rose.

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  106. @mary
    You mean like this?😛

    [/bad reference jokes]

    Also, thanks, mary and Bulanik. Rainbows and roses are amongst my favorite things, so I figure combining the two can only lead to awesome results.

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  107. @Legion Macy Gray and Cee Lo doing Crazy. Now that is just totally bananas.LOL!

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  108. @ peanut

    i saw that story on yahoo and the commenters were saying it was a joke and get over and i’m offended that you’re offended.i can’t stand how people expect blacks and other people of color to not be offended by such foolishness.they are on the outside looking in and don’t know how it feels.Even when victorias secret offended the native americans with their parading around in skimpy outfits with a native american headress on people thought they shouldn’t be offended.I’m tired of people telling me or other people if they are allowed to be offended to me that is their way of trying to control people and the way they feel.

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  109. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj30lbc5_mI)

    Abagond… Please shed light on this. It will tell me you care for all people not just blacks. Watch the whole video.

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  110. Actually Abagond, delete this I have my reasons. I’ll send you an email… thank you.

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  111. @ Dave that vid reinforces why i don’t trust cops and that vid of them beating up that homeless man in california and killing him is very disturbing too.

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  112. @ Peanut:

    i stopped believing in santa when i was 7 years old.

    I never believed in Santa. My parents told me from the beginning Santa Claus wasn’t real. They said strange, fat white men aren’t physically able to climb down the chimney bearing gifts to good girls and boys. I think that was my parents’ way of telling me I wasn’t going to get the presents I wanted that year. LMAO! :p

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  113. OMG, it’s official! I’m engaged! My bf proposed to me today on Christmas Day! That’s the BEST Christmas present EVER!! I’m soooo happy!😀

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  114. @ Leigh

    Congratulations! What a wonderful Christmas present.

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  115. @leigh204 Congratulations. What a lovely Christmas gift.

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  116. @Peanut; Great post on your blog about Christmas during slavery. Good job.

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  117. Abagond; Happy Kwanzaa.

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  118. HAha!! Congratulation Leigh, many happy years to you!!! I wish you every happiness!

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  119. @leigh204

    Congratulations! What a perfect gift. Were you surprised?

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  120. Congrats Leigh!!!

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  121. How exciting! Congrats, Leigh. Maybe you’ll get on one of reality wedding day shows🙂

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  122. @leigh
    Congratulations! Your future husband’s a smart man, and I hope you’re really happy together.🙂

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  123. @ Abagond;Did you have to get Staci-Anne Chin’s permission to use her image on your open thread? I think she is an interesting person. I saw on a PBS program called Point of View.

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  124. Oh you know what I just typed her name in the search, I found a post that you did on her. I think she’s cool.

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  125. on Fri 28 Dec 2012 at 20:56:24 LookingForAnswers

    I have bought at least 2 books based on posts from Abagond. Now I am looking for a book the does a good job of detailing and explaining the institution of salvery in North America from beginning to ‘end’. Can someone make a recommendation? Something you would give a 9/10 or 10/10.

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  126. @Looking For Answers Bull Whip Days by James Mellon quite compelling.

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  127. @ Bulanik:

    Thank you very much for the warm well wishes, sweet lady! Oh, and the YouTube clip, too. As always, your sweetness and thoughtfulness are appreciated!😀

    @ abagond:

    @ Leigh

    Congratulations! What a wonderful Christmas present.

    Thanks! I’m on cloud nine.

    @ mary burrell:

    @leigh204 Congratulations. What a lovely Christmas gift.

    Thank you! I’m still finding the whole engagement thing taking a while getting used to.🙂

    @ Legion:

    Leigh, that’s an amazing Christmas present. May you know far more happiness than sorrow. May the light be far more enduring than the dark.

    Thank you so much for the lovely congratulatory message!

    @ King:

    HAha!! Congratulation Leigh, many happy years to you!!! I wish you every happiness!

    Aw, thank you! I’m very happy right now.😀

    @ Iris:

    @leigh204

    Congratulations! What a perfect gift. Were you surprised?

    Oh, thanks! I was definitely surprised. My fiancé was helping me unwrap the Christmas presents when he pulled out an engagement box and opened it to reveal the ring inside. My eyes popped and my jaw dropped.O_O

    @ Sharina:

    Congrats Leigh!!!

    Thank you, girl.🙂

    @ lifelearner:

    How exciting! Congrats, Leigh. Maybe you’ll get on one of reality wedding day shows🙂

    Thanks a bunch! Idk about a reality wedding show. I’m a pretty private person, but a reality wedding show would certainly be interesting.🙂

    @ tehnoun:

    @leigh
    Congratulations! Your future husband’s a smart man, and I hope you’re really happy together.🙂

    Aw, thank you for the congrats! Speaking of smart man, my honey’s friends have been telling me the best thing he’s ever done was to propose to me. How funny is that? lol!

    Again, thank you everyone for all the wonderful engagement wishes! I’m touched! My fiancé and I feel truly blessed. ^_^

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  128. Totaly missed this , Leigh, super congradulations

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  129. @ peanut

    what didn’t you like about it.i will not see that movie anyway but what in particular did you not like.i heard they say the n word a lot in that movie is that what upset you

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  130. Leigh

    You deserve this happiness… bask in it.
    Undoubtedly your fiance knows he’s getting a VERY special lady. : )))
    I’m happy for you both!

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  131. on Sun 30 Dec 2012 at 04:21:13 LookingForAnswers

    @ mary burrell

    Thanks!

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  132. @ Peanut and Matari:

    Thank you two for the congrats! I can’t wait to build our future together!😀😀

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  133. So for such a concerned brother no reference to Kwanzaa?!
    Interesting.

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  134. @ Peanut

    Check your email.

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  135. @ mary burrell

    “Abagond; Happy Kwanzaa.”

    I do not celebrate Kwanzaa, but thanks. Have a Happy Kwanzaa!

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  136. Mbeti,

    That’s the same comment you left me. I’m sorry, but what’s up, man?

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  137. @ Mbeti

    I do not celebrate Kwanzaa.

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  138. Happy New Year all.

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  139. Happy New Years!!!

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  140. Happy New Year!! @ All Any new’s year goals?

    @Abagond-Are you posting in book recommendations, this year? I’m set to read 30 books for 2013 (I know, it’s not a lot compared to most, but it’s an obtainable goal for myself-with my busy life.)🙂

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  141. @ Lifelearner

    I will later today.

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  142. @ Peanut

    You actually went into Django, thinking that it was going to be historically accurate? From the first mention of Django Tarantino said that it was going to be nothing more than a Spaghetti Western. You not liking it is your own fault because you didn’t do research into what the film was going to be like. So you went into it while assuming that it was going to be something, that it was never intended to be. It’s just like Tarantino’s movie Inglorious Bastards, where Jews kill Hitler. It’s a Michael Bay movie with a revenge theme.

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  143. @ Legion

    All I can say is wow to that link you provided.

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  144. Agabond, have you read anything about this story?
    http://www.tracesofthetrade.org/family/

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  145. @ Anne

    No, but it sounds good.

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  146. Agabond,
    I am tempted to buy the video to watch it.

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  147. on Tue 8 Jan 2013 at 23:57:06 LookingForAnswers

    I stumbled across this restuarant looking for a painting of Shaka Zulu: http://www.shaka-zulu.com/

    Is it me or is this place awesome?

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  148. @Looking for Answers; That place is awesome.

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  149. Another trash reality show, coming down the pipeline. Please sign this petition “all my babies mama” *SMH* http://act.colorofchange.org/sign/oxygen/?akid=2789.1430754.5E9Qr_&rd=1&t=2

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  150. Wow, I think model Cameron Russell says some very true things about race and cashing in on a genetic lottery on her Ted talk,

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM4Xe6Dlp0Y)

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  151. @ King

    Thanks for posting this…

    This was an honest presentation on the effects of internalized racism as it affects white people. Well, in this particular case, young aspiring to be female models. Its not often we get to hear in the media women in Cameron Russell’s position addressing and speaking out about the false media constructed images of beauty and the inherited legacy of white privilege this confers on white people in our societies. Also, the anguish and fears of insecurity it internally manifests along with this.

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  152. This beautiful THING speaks for itself!

    ********

    By Denene Millner for Parenting

    It’s a ritual I began the first day my girlpie, Mari, started kindergarten. I’d fluff her super cutie outfit, adjust the fancy barrettes in her hair, take her little moon pie face into my hands, kiss those beautiful cinnamon brown cheeks, and pump her up all the way from the garage to the front steps of her school, where she was the only black girl in her class. “You are fantastic, baby girl — the smartest little girl I know,” I’d say, looking directly into her big browns, like a trainer does a sweaty heavyweight champ between rounds in a boxing bout. “Be fabulous, because who are you not to be?”

    Kids who hear they’re the best tend to believe it and rise to the challenge — particularly black children. A recent study published in the journal Child Development backs me up on this; the study, authored by Ming-Te Wang, assistant professor of psychology in education at the University of Pittsburgh, and Harvard University’s James P. Huguley, found that when parents promote feelings of racial knowledge, pride and connection, black kids do better in school.

    Mr. Wang and Mr. Huguley could have saved themselves some time and research cash; those of us black parents in the know would have happily told this to them quickly and for free.

    Affirmations chased Mari and my baby girl, Lila, into classrooms in New Jersey and Georgia for years — encouragement I thought important enough to repeat again and again. For the sake of my daughters. For the sake of their psyches and their self-esteem. For their own good.

    They wear the armor.

    It’s a brilliant coat of self-confidence instilled in them since the womb, not only because I believe them to be clever and beautiful, but because the world conspires to tell my girls different–to ingrain in their brains that something is wrong with their kinky hair and their juicy lips and their dark skin and their piercing brown eyes and their bubble butts and thick thighs and their beautiful brains and their eclectic culture and black girl goodness. I promise you, some days — a lot of days — it feels like I’m guarding them from a tsunami of “you’re ugly/dumb/fat/incompetent/inadequate/insert-your-racial-insult-here” pronouncements; magazines and TV shows and popular radio and movies and all of the rest of pop culture act as if black girls, teens and women do not exist on most days, and on the extra special ones, we are reduced to hypersexualized, drink-tossing, weave-pulling stripper bullies, climbing our way to the top on the backs of rappers and ballers.

    Then there’s the micro-aggressions that feel like death by a million cuts: the teachers who assume my girls are below average, until they discover quite the contrary; the store clerks who follow us — even the 10-year-old — around the store, until we pull out the cash at the register; the silly mothers who practice their “hey, girlfriend!” theater around us, until they find out the hard way that we don’t do Ebonics in mixed company.

    Don’t believe me? Spend a little time on children’s channels; my daughters can go, literally, for hours without seeing anyone who looks like them. Then flip over to MTV, VH-1, Oxygen and all the other TV homes of “reality” shows (or any show that’s not written and produced by TV “it” girl Shonda Rhimes, an African-American woman), and watch the necks swizzle and the weaves fly. Come with us to the mall on a quiet Tuesday afternoon. Or a school mom gathering.

    I can’t have my daughters thinking they are invisible. Or worse, that they’re ignorant, loud caricatures unworthy of respect. So I make a point of encouraging my girls to own their beauty — on the inside and out. And I demand that they pull and stretch and reach for the highest rung, because they’re capable of being more talented, brilliant and confident than any other kid who crosses their paths, black or white — in the classroom, on the soccer field, on the stage, in all that they do.

    Examples of black folks who’ve achieved this abound: I surround my daughters with books by and about people of color who’ve shined a light on the beauty and complexity of us — fill their ears with the music of masters who rep us with their talent and lyricism. Television and movies are watched with a critical eye, our complicated history is explored and talked about and picked through — our culture celebrated through food and travel and relationships. They are told “we are an amazing people” loudly and often, not just during Black History Month or Martin Luther King’s birthday, but every day.

    And most importantly, my daughters are made to understand and know that 24-hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days of the year, they are expected to bring home the top grades in their classes. No exception. I’m not all Tiger Mom about it, mind you; just a huge cheerleader and a no-nonsense support system who works hard with my girls to make them understand their true potential.

    After all, when a child is told that she is fearfully and wonderfully made, who is she not to be fabulous?

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  153. @Matari; Thank you and Dene Millner for this. Maybe if more parents had this kind of affirmations for their girls we wouldn’t have these damn discussions about Why are black women thought as ugly.

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  154. Ms. Mary,

    Thank you, but all the credit for this piece belongs to D Millner. This is a great example of why and how we should plant these seeds of affirmations within ALL of our children – girls and boys – beginning in the womb so that they might grow and flourish into individuals that expect and demand nothing but excellence from themselves – and each other..

    How else can we break the cycle (meme) of confusion – internalized self-loathing, self-hate, self-doubt?

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  155. Ms. Mary,

    Thank you, but all the credit for this piece belongs to D Millner. This is a great example of why and how we should plant these seeds of affirmations within ALL of our children – girls and boys – beginning in the womb so that they might grow and flourish into individuals that expect and demand nothing but excellence and beauty (in all its forms) from themselves – and each other..

    How else can we break the cycle (meme) of confusion – internalized self-loathing, self-hate, self-doubt?

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  156. @ Abagond:

    Thanks for your “Arab racism against blacks” thread. I’m hoping you’d do a post on Asian racism against blacks in the future. I would like to put in my two cents.

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  157. Abagond,

    Lovely picture that you are using…it is so refreshing that people are beginning to display the beauty of Blackness.

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  158. This is all in fun, but the thread about “original names” vs. “boring names” made me think of this Key & Peele skit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gODZzSOelss&feature=player_embedded)😀

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  159. ROFL

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  160. @ Legion

    While I have not finished reading your link on the New Delhi rape, so far it is very interesting. It does bring about a concept in regards to Economic growth as a cause.

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  161. Yes Abagond I agree with phoebeprunelle I appreciate you are showing the beautiful sisters as well.

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  162. Wow, I missed this tragic story about Hurricane Sandy.
    Nice folks in Staten Island.

    http://axiomamnesia.com/2012/11/02/race-play-role-staten-island-mom-refused-hurricane-killed-sons-video/

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  163. @ peanut

    I saw your question and i am trying to think of the best way to respond.

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  164. @ Abagond,

    Google sketch of today was Jackie Robinson. Pretty cool homage.

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  165. Fail, that ad. What’s the point of the Volkswagen ad? Cultural appropriation at its best. I think commercial executives should remember this adage, “if you have to ask the question-Is this offensive or not? 9 times out of 10 it probably is- Don’t do it.

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  166. That as is just beyond terrible. I have a feeling a lot of alcohol and controlled idiocy went into that monstrosity.

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  167. *ad.

    tehnoun, master typist at work.

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  168. @ King

    I had a hard time even looking at the pic with the two boys. That is sick. I don’t believe she tried to break the door without even shouting repeatedly for someone to let her in and this is why I don’t believe the homeowner actually thought she was a man. Even if the person asking for help is male, so what? It’s a life and death situation. He seemed more concerned with not looking like a sack of sh!t on camera.

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  169. Who are they kidding with that Volkswagen ad? Unreal.

    Anyway, Happy Black History Month!🙂

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  170. That volkwagen advertisment is so ridiculous. If you got to ask is it racist, It probably is. Epic major fail on the part of Volkswagen and the geniuses at Madison Avenue. SMH. What a bunch of idiots.

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  171. volkswagen and cocoa cola can remove their dumb ads.volkswagen should have just stuck with darth vader.coca cola did an ad with an arab on a camel and had a poll on their website of who should win the race to the coca cola bottle and they didn’t have the arab as an option.these ads are just dumb and offensive.i’m not jamaican but that ad reminds me of whites trying to sound ‘black’ and making fun of an accent.i bet if people made an ad with americans running around with a german accent and swastika on their clothing they wouldn’t like it too much.i can’t stand people who don’t treat others the way they wish to be treated yet think they are entitled to respect even when they haven’t earned it.

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  172. @ peanut

    I don’t agree with the comparison.It seems whites want to compare their struggle to blacks all the time.The white women did it the gays did it and now this.Black men in the military before the U.S. was integrated were sent to war on the front lines,whereas with the women in the military its the opposite they are trying to keep them off the front lines.they are comparing apples to oranges.Black men would fight for a country that didn’t want them and would not be treated as war heroes.The women are being kept from combat whereas the black men were disposable and sent into combat.Everybody wants to be down with the black struggle only when it can be used to gather support for their struggle. Its like look we are struggling like the blacks did so give us support.all i can say is good luck with that because blacks didn’t get the support they deserved back then so don’t expect to get better treatment.

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  173. @ Gen

    He seemed more concerned with not looking like a sack of sh!t on camera.

    EPIC FAIL!

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  174. @ Interested Parties:

    Though I’m an uneducateded American NegroI currenty go buy the username of FIAMMA BLU; It’s means ‘Blue Flame’ in Italian”.

    I’m growing tired of it so you won’t be incumbered of it much longer….Grazie!

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  175. Yeah, that did not work out like I hoped. It rarely does actually.

    To clarify: my current username is ‘fiamma blu/.

    It means ‘Blue Flame’ in Italian. I’m tired of seeing it mangled so I will be changing it shortly.

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  176. To all the lovely ladies on Abagond:

    Does anyone know a make-up line that does NOT contain titanium dioxide? It seems most brands have it. Even though I apply a product sparingly, I get this ashy look, and I really dislike it. Any recommendation would be appreciated.🙂

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  177. i don’t really care about the superbowl my team didn’t make it[steelers].anyway i just love the commercials lol.

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  178. it ain’t over yet.

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  179. They are are still leading but what a nail biter.

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  180. RAVENS WIN!!!

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  181. @ peanut

    lol im happy yall ravens won because the 49 didn’t need to win that would have put them with 6 rings like us steelers and we can’t have that.Enjoy your victory

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  182. My girlfriend proposed to me!😀

    I mean, technically we won’t be legally married (Florida is silly about that), but I’m way too happy to give a crap. Woohoo!

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  183. Congratulations Tehnoun!🙂

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  184. @tehnoun; Congratulations, I hope you two are very happy in the coming years.

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  185. Are you by chance engaged too?

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  186. I feel like sharing some music right now.

    “Kangaroo” by Tic Tac & Batman, a.k.a. the proof that Ghana is the REAL country of the Kangaroo.
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbb_sMbrpgo)

    And for the ladies, the return of Makmende in “Ha He” by Just A Band :
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mG1vIeETHc)

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  187. @ Bulanik:

    @ leigh204

    Omg!! My sister was talking about this the other day! She says foundations for skin with light golden undertone are either too grey or too pink.
    Why not try something organic? This is one she liked the sound of:
    http://www.miorganicproducts.com/

    My sister also prefers the light coverage of a mineral makeup (blending in some protective sunscreen with moisturizer beforehand underneath of course): http://www.holisticbeauty.net/Earths_Beauty_Products.htm

    Not sure, but is it the sunscreen factor that contains the titanium oxide?

    Thank you, Bulanik for the suggestions. I checked out both links and I think I’m going to go with the holistic beauty one. I read some of the products are titanium dioxide free.😀

    @ tehnoun:

    Congrats to you and your lady love! This is great news!🙂

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  188. @ tehnoun

    Congratulations! I don’t know much about the laws in the US, but is it possible to tie the knot in another state?

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  189. @ peanut
    You go girl!🙂

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  190. Congrats tehnoun on the engagement

    and congrats peanut on….gettin some lol.maybe u can write a post about it for us virgins here to give us hope lol

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  191. ty peanut im about to be 19 on the 22nd of this month i do plan on waiting but there are temptations out there.Right now i’m just stressed and mad dealing with my family issues and don’t have time for any of that.

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  192. Peanut u seem like a great person and i hope you do find someone who will treat you like the queen you are.Even some married people aren’t satisfied or have that real love that i hope to have one day even my parents don’t but thats another story.sometimes i just don’t think i will find that.My mom is a great woman but sometimes i feel like my dad lets her down and me down.I don’t want a man like my dad i want a man like my uncle who is kind,patient,and listens.I don’t know how to tell my dad that he wasn’t all that i needed sometimes.I feel so much hurt right now because of what just happened.

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  193. lol peanut u got me blushing.i never did any of those things except masturbation.i know i’m definetly not ready for love or sex because i need to deal with my own issues and emotional baggage from childhood.

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  194. lol well i want all the above in one person someday that would be nice.idc if you go into detail its all natural,im not gonna lie it gives me insight into what to expect

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  195. peanut idk how they never orgasm and it baffles me how some will have sex and not orgasm yet don’t want to try pleasuring themselves or oral because they think its dirty.If i ever have a man and he can’t get me off i’ll put that mouth to work lol or get our the toys

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  196. lol out not our typo

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  197. i wouldn’t know but i’ll take your word for it lol

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  198. peanut i was on your blog and saw that erotica article you did umm was that really about your experience

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  199. yes.I don’t know if it feels better during intercourse than oral because its different.the clitoris has more nerves and some women need their clit stimulated to reach orgasm during intercourse.

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  200. not trying to be too graphic but maybe u should try a dialator or sticking fingers in there to see what its kinda like.I tried once and it hurt a little so i stopped.

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  201. Seems like an excellent time to post a link to an 80’s fave: “Don’t Disturb This Groove” ~ The System

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7pZZGHLQfw)

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  202. wow a former lapd cop is hunting other cops that he says cost him his job.The story is he was let go for making false statements about his field training officer of brutalizing a mentally disabled man.The mans father said he noticed bruises on his disabled son and said he was kicked.Now the cops are trying to find him and they’ve already shot 2 civilians thinking it was him.smh. black men in LA definitely need to stay indoors because these cops will shoot and ask questions later thinking they all look alike.THe cops in la think all black men look alike while the cops in new york mistake wallets for guns.smh

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  203. Hi,

    Can anyone recommend books related to Britain and race, historical or contemporary? Preferably written by people of color. So far I’ve read the autobiographies of Mary Seacole and Olaudah Equiano, both well worth reading. I know I need to learn a lot more about colonialism, and whatever else people recommend.

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  204. another hate crime against a white man that didn’t catch national news….. Just raising awareness. Not trying to cause a fight.
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1YWd4lk54I) What makes this important to me is there are plenty of black men dating white women walking freely on any street in America. This man is just walking down the street with his girlfriend. Seems like the national news would be all over this if it was the other way around.

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  205. @ dave

    Would it? I know of some crimes the other way around and it is not national news and if it concerns you that much, then blog about it. What it seems like you want is for blacks to sympathize or for us to feel bad for crimes committed by bad people who are black. I didn’t commit the crime and I did not raise the individuals who did, so why is it my problem? If they are guilty then they should be in jail (which is likely where they would be). I assume that is what happens to criminals. Once you realize that skin color does boy dictate criminal behavior, then the better off you will be.

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  206. And before you misconstrue what I am saying. I don’t agree with it and the men responsible should and probably will go to jail, things don’t just not make national news because of the color of the parties involved skin. I will say in some cases, but most of the time they look for things that will give long term ratings. Not so much the “he did it!” “Case closed” type. News is about profit like everyone else.

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  207. Regarding the Christopher Dorner the ex LAPD officer. I believe the L.A. police department is corrupt and this man probably witnessed a lot of corrupt activity in that department. He probably tried to go through the proper channels and was ignored. There are many missing pieces to this puzzle. The media is playing into the black brute sterotype portraying Dorner as the ultimate monster. I don’t trust the media and the distorted way they put out information. It will be interesting how all this pans out. I think Dorner will not allow them to take him alive. Or they will kill him on sight. He is a dead man either way.

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  208. An addendum to my previous thread we all saw how back in the 80’s how corruption of the LAPD was during the Rodney King incident.

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  209. @ marry

    Yeah he is a dead man for sure.I can’t believe they haven’t found him yet.Its kinda ironic that he is roaming and is painted as the threat to civilains yet the lapd shot 2 civilians that they thought looked like him .I believe his story as well,its a shame the military and the law enforcement are so corrupt that even if someone does report things they get told to shutup and are the ones who get fired.Basically its like they say its your duty to report but only if its someone who is low ranking and disposable not the higher rank because they are soo important.Its something really wrong when a black man gets fired for reporting corruption but white men just get desk duty for shooting unarmed black men or jokin about killing the first lady.

    I saw another story about a black family going to disney land or was it world.Anyway they had pics with the rabbit from alice in wonderland and he didn’t hug or touch their kids,but a white family came and took pics with him and he was hugging them and putting them on his lap.I’m glad the black family refused those extra tickets and instead want an apology and that person fired.

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  210. @mstoogood4yal: I hear you. The Disneyland incident was crazy too. Disneyland and a mofo in a rabbit costume this is how this idiot makes his/her living and they are being racist that is so pathetic to me.

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  211. on Sat 9 Feb 2013 at 20:18:50 King of Trouble

    At Mary, He probably went through the proper channels and got harassed like hell. LAPD not fun at all. It is the only place a cop dared me to go to the police station to report him. Which I did, which they said I didn’t have evidence and then I pulled out my recorder and played the whole thing for them. They had the nerve to ask for the recorder I told them they’d get the recorder but it was only a copy and I took out my other recorder with missing tape then they filed the report. I’ll never trust them as far as a baby can throw. They think people were born yesterday and he is a dead man. He just counting down the time till they shoot him shoot him with a pat, pat, wink, wink.

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  212. @mstoogood4yall: That little 6 year old boy and his brother got their first taste of racism. I’m not surprised by this. Walt Disney was racist.

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  213. @Legion, thanks, I’ll have a look at those.

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  214. Abagond: I would like to make a suggestion. I was introduced to Damali Ayo. And now I’m a fan. Now i would like to see a post on Nancy Gilies she is one of my favorite commentators.

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  215. I will not forgive Dorner for killing the daughter and her fiancé of the lawyer who represented him at his LAPD hearing. When he did that he WAS in fact, being a brute.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2013/02/04/Fullerton-Women-s-Asst-Basketball-Coach-Shot-to-Death

    I suspect that LAPD did was up to their usual crap, but I simply cannot let pass the murder of two young people who had nothing to do with it.

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  216. I don’t condone him killing inocent people.But something happened and he snapped. I think he has dirt on some people there.

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  217. Well, if you want proof of how LAPD rolls, a protective detail was guarding the house of a Cop that they thought Dorner might be after. So the paper delivery truck pulls up to toss the newspapers on the front porch and are shot without warning!

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/cops-opened-fire-on-mother-daughter-during-dorner-manhunt.html

    It turns out to be some poor hispanic lady and her 71 year old mother. Of course, the truck is riddled with bullet holes. So it wasn’t the same model of truck, it wasn’t the same color, and it had two small Latina women in it rather than a Large Black man. This gives you an idea what really goes on with LAPD. If this had been a black teenager on an average night they would have said that he tried to run them over and then run away, so they had to shoot him. The whole thing would have been played out to the benefit of the officers and to the detriment of the victim.

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  218. “Charmonium@
    Hi, Can anyone recommend books related to Britain and race, historical or contemporary?”

    One contemporary writer that I always liked was Caryl Phillips – he’s a tad bit cynical but still touches the heart of the matter when it comes to Britian, Europe and race.

    Two books I’ve read: “The European Tribe” and “Foreigners”

    He has other books that you may find interesting

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  219. @sharina… I’m not looking for sympathy… just balance. If people wanna jump on the activist civil rights band wagon when the perp is white and the victim is black…. then if you want credibility from me then you should be just as outraged on the other way around scenario . I realize that 99.999999% of decent blacks wouldn’t do something like that. But I just want the people on here to realize when a white hatemonger acts up that 99% of whites wouldn’t do that either. In fact I’m a business owner and my black clients are cooler on average then the white ones. … and that’s coming from a white man’s point of view.

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  220. @ dave

    I cant speak for everyone and I am just guessing, but blacks have shared outrage with whites on almost every tragedy that has made news, but if it was vise versa…..only a few whites care to sympathize. Some blacks are just tired of caring for that very reason. There is balance but you often time go out of your way to look for black on white crime. With the “look see” attitude and often ignore the vise versa. Stop trying to look at crime in skin color. A criminal is a criminal.

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  221. 新年快樂! Happy lunar new year to all who celebrate it.🙂

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  222. fair enough sharina. I hear ya.

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  223. on Sun 10 Feb 2013 at 13:18:03 King of trouble

    Argh, looking for African American Lullabies for my Son. So far only Brown Baby sung By Diana Ross, and Odetta singing all the Pretty Little Horses. My Mom was absolutely no help. Does anyone have any suggestion? I even tried looking it up on the internet but the results were so sparse I had to check I didn’t make a spelling error. Maybe African American Lullabies isn’t the right phrasing for the search.

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  224. @ King of Trouble: No luck, I saw the same thing you did. I think that is all you will find. Sorry.

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  225. Hey King 0f Trouble, there are some here, but I don’t know if they’re the kind of thing that you’re looking for.

    http://mamalisa.com/?t=ec&p=2150&c=187

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  226. @ peanut

    I read the story and the family had pics of their kids and the rabbit and they showed pics of white kids on the rabbits lap and huggin him,they said those pics were taken after their kids.

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  227. @ peanut

    I never went to disneyland or world.Idc. shoot if that was me i wouldn’t care about that rabbit from alice. Who the hell goes to disney and wants to see an old dusty white rabbit anyway,he should have been grateful for someone even wanting to take pics with him.Most ppl go to see the princesses and mickey mouse.Me personally , i would have been chillin with princess Tianna.I would’ve been asking princess tiana what it is like to be the first black princess and if i can join her.Then i’d ask her if prince naveen and her are still together,if not then i’d be like can i have him.

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  228. on Sun 10 Feb 2013 at 20:09:37 vanishing point.

    @King of Trouble:
    http://www.amazon.com/Lullaby-Black-Mother-Langston-Hughes/dp/054736265X/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_2
    I also like Miss Lou’s Jamaican poems too!

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  229. on Mon 11 Feb 2013 at 02:19:55 King of trouble

    @ King, thank you so much my son gets all the Japanese part of lullabies and we have done mother goose, and the rest of those CD’s are disney. I want my boy to also have his other heritage and be comfortable. I remembered as a child I didn’t know a single lullaby made by blacks except Brown Baby. This will certainly help he’s only 6 but there is no time like the present to let him explore his culture. Besides if I hear another version of rock-a-by baby…

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  230. on Mon 11 Feb 2013 at 02:29:00 King of trouble

    @ Mary, I just assumed that there a lot we’ve been around for a while and we have famous black singers who have children. I thought I could find at least one cd that focus on that. A while back I say on the internet a book of Hush Songs but you can’t get it here in Japan. So looks as if I am going to have to get some friends together find the songs and do some recording.

    Which means I am going to have to find some black artist that are up for it. I have abandoned most of my musical contacts when I came to Japan because I felt the industry was so slimy. I like the muscians I do not like the record companies. However, I will get over my dislike for my son. We’ve done the Disney songs but disney keeps doing things like this. I don’t want my Prince to enter the hostile Kingdom.

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  231. @ Charmonium

    I wish I knew some good books to recommend to you as I have actually been wanting to find some myself. However, what I want to research right now would focus on the colonisation of Hong Kong and the daily lives and experiences of the people living there at the time and of the early Chinese immigrants to the UK (e.g. The sailors who married British women, had children and then were ordered back to Hong Kong without their families being told anything). Through my own searching, the vast majority of books on the topic of race are from the US. If they are from the UK, it often focuses on the perspective of South Asians or Black people. It can be tough to find something about a group that is all too often a `forgotten minority’.

    I also tried searching the databases of all libraries in my home county and none of them have anything on the topics I wish to learn about…

    Don’t suppose anyone knows of any good books?

    @ Linda

    This looks like fiction, but sounds interesting. Would you say he is a good writer?

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  232. @ King of Trouble: Maybe Vanishing Point’s suggestion will help you. If nothing else you can read the beautiful words of Langston Hughes. I’m into Langston Hughes this month. I am reading his book of short stories The Ways of White Folks and The Best of Simple stories. I bet Japan is cool. Are you in Tokyo?

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  233. King of Trouble, Emmylou Harris’ “Didn’t Leave Nobody But the Baby” was supposed to have been adapted (rewritten) based on lyrics from an old Black lullaby… I guess it depends on how you look at it whether this would qualify.

    Here is the altered version of the lyrics:

    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    Your momma’s gone away and your daddy’s gonna stay
    Didn’t leave nobody, but the baby

    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    Everybody’s gone in the cotton and the corn
    Didn’t leave nobody, but the baby

    You’re a sweet little baby (you’re a sweet little baby)
    You’re a sweet little baby (you’re a sweet little baby)
    Honey and the rock and the sugar don’t stop
    Gonna bring a bottle to the baby

    Don’t you weep pretty baby (don’t you weep pretty baby)
    Don’t you weep pretty baby (don’t you weep pretty baby)
    She’s long gone with her red shoes on
    Gonna need another lovin’ baby

    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    You and me and the devil makes three
    Don’t need no other lovin’ baby

    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    Come and lay your bones on the alabaster stones and be my ever lovin’ baby

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  234. I remember that from O Brother Where Art Thou. That’s a good song. I think it’s from a black slave song. I think I read that somewhere. Anyway I like that song.

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  235. on Mon 11 Feb 2013 at 07:19:56 King of trouble

    I would like to thank everybody, I will work on it. I have a steel pan band that is interested in recording something. I also have an orchestra that feel they are up for children’s tunes. I hoping my singer friend from Trindad and Tabago will join. Will see if I can push a CD through or at least a personal one through. Anyway I will be heading back to the states soon and hopefully there I will be able to gather more things together. I wanted to get “Wade in the Water” but my wife says it is too loud to calm him so I guess I will have to find a composer and get it hushed a little. Anyway I need to find the right people to get it together I think even those songs that little black girls use to jump rope and do hand rythms are great. So I guess I will have to find an african american children’s choir and try to get it recorded. There is always a lot of work but hey it is well worth it to see a smile on my boy’s face.
    @King thank you I can work with the song.

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  236. on Mon 11 Feb 2013 at 13:47:45 Vagabond Abscond

    The Pope has resigned, and his most likely successor is a black African man, Cardinal Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson from Ghana. I would love to read JA’s thoughts on this matter! Personally, I think it would make sense to have a pope from one of the world regions where the Catholic Church is really thriving right now, as it is in Africa (or so I hear). Europe is not even that religious anymore, at least as I understand it.

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  237. @King of Trouble,

    My kiddos enjoy this one, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnzywl8FXXQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

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  238. @Vagabond:

    If a black man wins the pope-ship, there will be a mass exodus of whites to Protestantism.

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  239. @ Vagabond

    Demographically it should go to a Latin American – but he can be black too! Like with the Secretary General of the UN or the Olympics, it should rotate.

    The cardinals vote for pope. Not sure how demographically well proportioned they are. Based on past popes, Europe, and Italy in particular, seem to have an oversupply.

    As far as I know Europe still has more Catholics than Africa but, like with whites in the U.S., that will not last for much longer.

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  240. They have the lapd ex cop surrounded in a cabin.This is not going to end well.Another officer just died from the gunfight they had.

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  241. The young earl grey tumblr. is just too adorable. I saw that somewhere else it just stole my heart. I loved Micheal so much and I was equally sad about Whitney. Thanks Abagond.

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  242. on Wed 13 Feb 2013 at 00:32:30 King of trouble

    @Lifelearner, you put a smile on my boys face thank you.

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  243. I thought this wouldn’t be an issue but oh well.

    Kiwi=kiwiitos

    Sometimes I auto-login and I get the default name which I don’t want. Anyway, you can tell I’m the same person by the avatar.

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  244. Actually, I thought ‘Kiwiitos” was a different commenter altogether, albeit one who liked your username and then decided to use a variant of it….It’s not at all unusual. I’ve seen several glaring occurrences of this phenomenon on this blog since I’ve started following it. It’s even happened to me once in the 17 years I’ve been cruising cyberspace, even though I’ve always had the habit of choosing somewhat obscure /non-Anglophone usernames.

    I suspect that some people intentionally use a variant of established usernames, while others do so unconsciously.

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  245. @Linda and Iris,

    Thanks for the replies. I’ll check out Caryl Phillips.

    e.g. The sailors who married British women, had children and then were ordered back to Hong Kong without their families being told anything.

    I only heard about this a year ago, from George Alagiah’s Mixed Britannia Documentary. It’s such a horrible story. There’s an interview with the daughter of one of the couples in this episode; the section starts at 14.47.

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  246. @King of Trouble

    No problem.🙂 It’s nice to know other parents are trying to instill a LOVE for our culture at an early age. We are doing our best as well. Here’s a great resource too for AA authors/subject matter for young readers –> http://thebrownbookshelf.com/

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  247. @peanut lol

    i’m single for valentines day too.Even if i wasn’t i think i’d still hate it.I’d rather be appreciated everyday than just for one day.I went to the store with my mom and got some junk food so i’mma eat my self to sleep lol.Anyway i hope abagond is having a good valentines night. *wink* *wink*

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  248. i would love to hear what everyone else’s valentines is like.I just love a good love story lol.tell me what ur significant other did for you today

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  249. @peanut and my fellow singles on v day

    here some ideas to get through this lonely day

    1 get drunk
    2 hang out with friend who tells u they don’t need a man
    3 buy yourself a gift
    4 or to surprise yourself buy a gift while tipsy and hide it
    5 sober up and try to find where your drunk arse hid the gift
    6 just cruise around on the blogs and thirst at pics of celebritity crushes

    for yall info i’ve done number 6 and 3 because im not old enough to do 1 and 4. enjoy.

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  250. Valentine’s day was mostly just eating an expensive dinner (partially paid for by a friend of mine because she’s a sweetheart <3) and coming home to find one of my roommates has filled the apartment with about a million flowers in order to impress his girlfriend. Going to be irritating to clean, but at least it smells nice.

    I don't plan on talking about what happened next because my sex life is private, thank you very much.😉

    (I really hope this doesn't sound as egotistical as I think it does)

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  251. omg i don;t know how to post a clickable link forgive me for the double post

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  252. @ Charmonium

    Thank you for the tip. I think this may have been where I first heard of it, too. It’s such a shame I cannot find more information. I have only found one book on Amazon.

    @ mstoogood4yall

    I’m married and we rarely do anything on Valentine’s day. Why should showing our love and appreciation for one another be celebrated then? Why not, for example, the anniversary of the day we met? Then it is unique and special in its own way.

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  253. Yep ditto-what Iris mentioned about V-day. It’s a joke. The hubster and I have our own special day to celebrate “our love.” We often say Valentine’s day is for the amateurs of love.😉 We do celebrate it with our loved ones (i.e family/friends)

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  254. I’m sure a movie on Lifetime movie channel will be made on Christopher Dorner. L.L.Cool J. would be perfect in the role.

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  255. Did anyone else see this feature on the Hymn Lining tradition?

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  256. @ KIng: No I didn’t see this. Thanks for this. So that’s what those elderly people would be doing in church at the opening song. Hymn Lining. I can see where it would have it’s roots in slavery. I guess it’s like call and response. So many things in music have their roots in black spirituality. So much of our history is disapperaring. It goes with Black History month. We need to study our history everyday.

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  257. valentines day sucks everyone.

    Not to me it doesn’t! I am looking forward to the sales on chocolate!

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  258. on Sat 16 Feb 2013 at 04:04:40 mstoogood4yall

    @herneith
    amen i love me some snickers,twix,and babyruth but the stores mostly have reeses on sale lol

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  259. Iris@ Linda: This looks like fiction, but sounds interesting. Would you say he is a good writer?

    Linda says,
    I guess so. I read his first book, “European Tribes” back in the 80’s — which was an autobiography of his travels. Even thought I liked it, I thought he was a little too pessimistic.

    His more current books are fiction, mixed in with true events—I think his writing style has gotten better – still a cynic but he is able to bring together all the little nuances of living in the “Mother country”.

    @ Charmonium

    You’re welcome. Enjoy the read and good luck finding other authors.

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  260. Lol! I couldn’t help myself.

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  261. BREAKING NEWS!

    Mississippi has ratified the 13th Amendment outlawing slavery:

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mississippi-ratifies-slavery-ban-after-lincoln

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  262. Damn, looks like I’m going to have to sell my tobacco plantation!😦

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  263. Mississippi sold out? NOW what are all those crazy redneck militiamen going to do? They can’t possibly stage a coup on the government without the infinite wealth provided by Mississippi’s… er… whatever it produces!

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  264. SomeGuy, Welcome Back ! 🙂

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  265. Thank you.🙂

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  266. @Abagond:

    Are they insane? that’s absurd, really, it sounds like something out of a satirical magazine.

    @SomeGuy:

    How are you doing dear?

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  267. I feel like granulated dog feces, but still alive and kicking.

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  268. By the way, has anyone ever taken one of those “ethnicity” DNA tests?

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  269. SomeGuy,

    I took the Genographics 2 autosomal DNA test. Sent it off in October and got the results online (3 months later) in January. The company 23andMe claims to give faster and more thorough results, including health-related genetic info.

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  270. Until further notice the price of the 23andMe “spit kit”, excluding S&H, is only $99. As a heads up, it is illegal to mail the kit from NY though, due to restrictions from the NY Department of Health.

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  271. @ Fiamma

    So far, I have taken the AncestryDNA test and thought about doing the 23andme one. I’ve gotten some surprising results and a second opinion with another company would be great.

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  272. I’m dumping my off-topic post here. I just want to thank Abagond and all of you on the site. I have learnt so much from this blog. It is such a treasure trove of information, and the views here have helped me widen mine. Thank you all so much!

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  273. Random topic for future posts:

    Why is it that we are told the human race is equally violent and racist but at the same time unequally intelligent or attractive?

    Why do people use interracial relationships to prove the superior attractiveness of one group yet ignore the fact that both parties are mutually attracted to each other. Doesn’t that negate the superiority of either party?

    How is it that a group of people who are supposedly more intelligent than everyone else could not foresee the cultural effect of colonization on their society?

    How do you explain the existence of a multiethnic nation with a strong economy that is not governed by Europeans?

    Also how do you explain the fact that there has yet to be any ethnic conflict in this country despite the different groups that live there?

    Just suggestions.

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  274. i don’t know we need to have factories and shit in like reading and philly thats is all im about also who i am i have this thing for job opportunities for the un-hireable

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  275. @ Legion

    I read that article. Great find, It’s very telling, but only from the aspect that it was recorded “statistical” information presented for reflection and debate by everyone. Still, glad it’s out there.

    “To say “invisible” makes it seem that the black women are marginalizing themselves and takes focus off of who is really doing the marginalizing and agenda setting.”

    ~I agree. But it doesn’t take away from the subconscious assimilation of our historical depiction. (the nappy head, dark skin, big lipped, wide nosed, loud, troublesome female)

    It’s really damning for us, especially when we try to be upwardly mobile. And even to be seen by the white media, you have to be vetted, non threatening and definitely not too “ethnic”looking. I’m sure we have heard and seen that term before…

    Unfortunately, I see the absence of black women all the time currently in the media having meaningful, loving relationships, in places of authority, making important decisions, running nuclear households, her absence as desirable for a mate or even the attraction of sex…

    And the “dark-skinned” woman?

    Palleeaaasseeee…

    I am actually battling this “invisibility” complex at my job. No matter my years of experience, impeccable performance history, vast knowledge base, trust among my peers and even the leadership qualities I have been told by others to exhibit..

    I am no more than the “worker bee” who should be “happy and grateful” to be working at all…utilized overwhelmingly for my qualities until it’s time to promote somebody. I know I’m not the first and won’t be the last…

    Then their eyes just start blinking, words become stuttered and they will look anywhere else for a leader than to the the capable black professionals they work with everyday. White authority (at my workplace) typically have no interest in developing black professionals, they will just hire nice, vanilla, barely competent ones or an ‘acceptable’ minority (that would be a great post abagond–especially in the workplace) to be typically accepting and non argumentative while promoting workplace hierarchy.

    Well, a house Negro, I am not. And as far as my issue of “invisibility”… I’m up for the challenge.

    SK

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  276. eh yeah we wore our shorts in the 40 degree fairenheit weather in upstate ny miss teresa asked me today you have no jacket on you must be high as hell i said no white people we have different temperature sensors?

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  277. @ Peanut

    Sunday is best.

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  278. Exactly one year ago today, my mom passed away from cancer. Many of you have read my postings of the times I was taking care of my mom, and I just wanted to post a tribute to my mom for this one year anniversary. I found this poem I’d like to share with you all. It’s called “A Daughter’s Promise” by Allie B. Quaglieri.

    A Daughter’s Promise

    Every time that I smile,
    Every time that I sigh,
    I think of your face,
    And a tear escapes my eye.

    You were my world,
    My inspiration and my heart,
    But when you left me,
    I thought I would fall apart.

    You were my best friend,
    My one true ‘confidante’,
    And that’s not all you were,
    You were also my mom.

    I didn’t want to live without you,
    But you would have wanted me to,
    And if there’s anyone I want to make happy,
    That anyone is you

    I would have given anything to have you back,
    But I know now that it was meant to be,
    For you are still watching from up there,
    And I know you’re watching me.

    I’ll make you proud mom,
    I’m going to fulfill your wish,
    You’re going to see me and smile,
    That’s a daughter’s promise.

    Dear Mom,

    Not a day goes by that I don’t think about you. No matter what I do in my life, you will always be in my heart. Gone, but not forgotten. I love you and miss you dearly, mom..❤❤❤

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  279. @ leigh
    I’m sure your mom is watching over you and smiling at the beautiful,smart and,confident daughter she raised.

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  280. That’s a beautiful poem, Leigh!
    : ))

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  281. @Legion I really appreciate what you have been sharing with me. I value your viewpoints and opinions.

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  282. leigh 204: Lovely sentiments. I’m sure your mom is proud of you.

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  283. @ leigh

    Through the the things that you shared, we remember her with you. A lovely poem for a lovely Mom. I’m sure you know that your Abagond family supports you🙂

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  284. @Thomas Conlon

    I’ve seen white men walking around in below freezing temperatures while bundled up on top, but wearing only shorts and sandals on bottom. I’ve never been able to wrap my mind around that phenomenon….

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  285. @Leigh – a lovely poem *the mother-daughter bond is truly a special connection* thanks for sharing! I’m sure your mother is quite proud of you.🙂

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  286. @ Bulanik

    Thus spoke Gertrude the Queen to Hamlet upon the death of his father:

    Do not for ever with thy vailed lids
    Seek for thy noble father in the dust:
    Thou know’st ’tis common; all that lives must die,
    Passing through nature to eternity.”

    We who are grieving the passing of our parents have to stick together 🙂

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  287. Haha!! Legion you are well worth listening to.
    Let’s hear no more nonsense about you going on comment hiatus!

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  288. @ Peanut

    Haha. I am not going there!

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  289. you know being a interracial person it means hearing it from your family the other ones family everyone you know dont be hatin

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  290. @fiamma cross country running is a fall sport

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  291. no but mmy frosh year at st bonnies it snowed from september to april it was warm? declarative interrogative its called in california

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  292. all due respect
    sorry abagond the commies and socialists is more like phenotypically neutral even muslim jawns x post soonest

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  293. Haha!!

    Well, as you can see, I have no such quibbles about my own self importance!

    Serendipity or something else… 🙂

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  294. Abagond, did you see any of the Rand Paul 12 hour filibuster in the Senate on 3/06/13?

    If so I’m curious of your opinion. Maybe a post on it? The absolute support of Obama by democrats and the media has really made me worried lately. It’s funny how they roll people out there on MSNBC and no one seems to have any alternative view point. I know there are alot of black people who have been critical of Obama, but they disappeared during the election. I’ve said this before but there were some districts in philly where Romney received zero votes, not 0% but a count of zero.

    I feel like he’s a president who wants no due process and wants to be able to push any agenda he wants.

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  295. @ Dave

    Obama is off the chain. MSNBC has ceased practising journalism. They need to hire someone to design cheerleader outfits.

    I did not see the filibuster and do not plan to post on it. But I will do a post on MSNBC.

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  296. @ Dave

    I agree. There is little serious, reasoned critique of Obama in the mainstream media and that is bad for everyone, except maybe the rich.

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  297. @Legion
    I think your response to my topic suggestions is referring to the wrong country. Try somewhere smaller and further south where the population takes pride in their liberty.

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  298. @ All

    I’m in the middle of a really interesting book, called ” How To Be Black” By Baratunde Thurston. Two thumbs up thus far…maybe Abagond if you read it..might do a post on it.

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  299. hi test post ima blackout drunk have me own blog now too irrirl.wordpress.com

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  300. @Peanut: Yes I saw that. It was horrendous. He had some sorry excuse for his messed up behavior. He is a major turdpile for sure. I don’t think anything was done about that incident.

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  301. My but pugs are CUTE DOGS!!!

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uuqXXT7VYo)

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  302. Ricky Smiley show — “things Jermaine Jackson needs on tour for his hair” — funny, it had me in tears!

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  303. King,

    Increasing unemployment, homelessness, cost of living (rent/food/energy/etc), segregated communities, growing inflation, higher taxes, racial animus plus a feeling of general hopelessness is steadily creeping into the cauldron that is the Big (rotten) Apple!

    Word to the wise. Get out of NYC!

    Life in NYC = INSANITY

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  304. @peanut no i’m a white dude, now i’m single but i date outside my race hence inter-

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  305. i only date black women pretty much that’s how i got here, pretty much looking for some answers and did i get a lot!
    Ima do a piece on the philly magazine ‘being white in philly’ –it’s atrocious — and i want to do one on white stereotypes but like funny, kind of, surfer, golfer, like that, eh a lot of the new blog is also since processing what was ultimately summed up by me to not be self-hate but cultural competence after a lot of drunken facebooking, crying, blah blah, you guys really helped me learn a lot here and i wish to expand in my own direction yet still maintain friendly relations if that makes any sense at all.

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  306. it also concides with me being not able to get better from my addiction be being ‘private’ and crap and oh well it’s just all public on fb and you know whatever a 5th step, i give up, i need to write, it is something i did for a lot of my life but was blocked for so long

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  307. I just came home from a delicious meal consisting of salmon sashimi, salmon and tuna maki(plain and spicy) complimented by miso soup with pickles and wasabi. Jealous?

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  308. and sorry about switchin avatars now logged in to wordpress because i’m still need a little motivational something or other to write it will not cross authenticate with my facebook thingie so i dont know how to fix that (yet)

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  309. eh ima let it go at this a long ways back on here i been said i was finding my voice, thats done now i just need to remain reasonable sane and sober and let it flow, through appropriate channels

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  310. @ Matari

    Life in NYC = INSANITY

    Hmm.. I see what you mean!

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  311. @ Abagond

    I think you really need to revise your policy of simply deleting comments without explanation or warning. It simply sows and breeds feeling of animosity.

    And it is certainly not an open and democratic way to administer a public forum. It may be your blog but showing simple courtesy to frequent commentators should never be beneath you.

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  312. @ Kwamla

    Thank you.

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  313. Your are welcome Abagond!

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  314. facebook has been just deleting stuff for years

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  315. Abagond, please give us some insight about Detroit. I think there was a bit of OT discussion of it on one of the threads, but I’d love to get your perspective on what’s happening there and how it got to be that way.

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  316. i’m mostly irish that’s what i identify with and scottish and british and italian and some other who knows man

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  317. @legion you never lived in a homeless shelter?

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  318. Does anyone have any opinions, good or bad or mixed, about Iris Chang? She is best known for writing “The Rape of Nanking” (1997).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_Chang

    http://www.amazon.com/Iris-Chang/e/B000AR7W7W/

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  319. on Sat 16 Mar 2013 at 14:07:28 King of trouble

    @ Abagond here is a subject that living in Japan it is blacklisted to talk about. I would love to talk about it though.

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  320. @ King of trouble

    What do you mean blacklisted? They teach it at school, right?

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  321. @ Abagond and King of trouble

    I would be interested in hearing more about this.

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  322. Does anyone have any opinions, good or bad or mixed, about Iris Chang? She is best known for writing “The Rape of Nanking” (1997).

    Apparently she committed suicide leaving behind a daughter and husband. Some say she committed suicide because of depression. Anyhow I understand why the Rape of Nangking wouldn’t be taught in Japanese schools. Hundreds of thousands of Chinese were slaughtered by the Japanese in Nanking. For some truly stomach turning situations, go to some historical sites dealing with Nanking and the Japanese occupation in China during WWII. They were equally vicious with the Korean comfort women.

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  323. She was battleling bipolar disorder maybe that is what caused her demise. She was leading a charmed life otherwise.

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  324. This is all very cloak and dagger to me. It appears that Iris Chang removed the band aid from the sore and started the pus and drainage, that the Japanese government wanted forgotten. Maybe the government had something to do with her demise. She described in graphic detail the horrors of this event. Maybe they didn’t appreciate her writing this book. And as did her in as payback. This is all speculation on my part. I can see why the Japanese government wouldn’t want this taught in schools. They are probably ashamed of this horrific incident and want it forgotten.

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  325. * As payback did her in* Forgive typos.

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  326. @ Legion I read that as well; That is horrific. I wonder what is going on over in that part of the world were the sexual assault of women tourist is happening quite frequently?

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  327. We lost one of the great black Brazilian song interpreters, Emilio Santiago

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebw3U_gWPAI)

    RIP Emilio

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  328. Yeah, Peanut, Emilio is a galan, isnt he? What class..(ha belated happy bday Abagond)

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  329. ^ I am also very curious about this focus on Iris Chang.

    BTW, I met her in person in 1998. My Aunt was president of the OCAW (Organization of Chinese American Women) at the time and they honoured her with their outstanding woman of the year award. She gave a speech (about why she did the book), did a booksigning and I also spoke briefly with her.

    Anyhow, I heard about all the ruckus in China after that book came out – about how Japan has “whitewashed” the whole thing.

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  330. Rest in Peace, Chinua Achebe.

    I will never forget Things Fall Apart as a very necessary step in my intellectual journey in my thinking about race.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/23/world/africa/chinua-achebe-nigerian-writer-dies-at-82.html?_r=0

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  331. This might be of interest to the ones interested in American Black (rather than US-Black) History

    http://ancestors-unknown.org/

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  332. “Let’s face it, BR.
    I simply get under you internet skin because you consider me anti-American and cannot beat me down, and want to badly. Maybe you don’t like encountering females on line who read books, and can’t get personal info about to bash them with. LMAO.

    Abagond lets you get away with so much I could not.”

    hahhahahahahaha this is a hilarious joke, right? I mean , when we do clash, its because you have made some weak arguments that beg to be smacked down, I have proven many statements you have made on here to be catagoricly false..Abagond just deleted my comments also…grow up,really

    Abagond, you ought to make the “B. R. versus Bulanik” thread, like the broken record thread…it will be the most popular of all

    Or maybe just start the “African drumming” thread….

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  333. And your take on calling me “stalker” is ridiculous, you play the game of telling me not to talk to you, yet , did your little digs in your posts at my postions, i didnt address you, I anwered your digs in a round about way

    YOur position above about how our interaction is going down is absolutly hilarious

    what really is happening is that you are so eager to show the blog how you can bag a “white American male”, that you keep breaking your face on the wall because it just doesnt stick

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  334. my two statements are direceted at Bulanik

    yeah, Abagond, the “B. R. versus Bulanik broken record” thread….there is an idea whose time has come

    or the “African drumming” thread , now there are some ideas that are really incredibly special and blatently big and important

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  335. ” It is wrong when commenter B.R. does it by emphatically claiming that Che Guevara was a racist, in order to get people on this blog to ignore Socialism or the details of Castro and Guavara’s politics and revolt and against American power.”

    Legion, you cant be serious about this, I mean, I have brought in some serious information totaly incriminating the social health progams in Cuba,and, I have seen Castro rail about the prostitutes under Batista, but, I just read an article on the prostitution and child prostitution with gringos in Cuba right now…

    I am questioning directly , the pristine noble characterisations of their health programs, and, I definitly am questioning directly their Marxist politics . I dont have anything against Socialism that doesnt feel it has to blab dribble about American Imperialism , you can beleive Castro and Fidel were practicing Imperialism as well.I am so happy the Che call for a thousand Viet Nams in South America didnt happen. You know, the people hated the military dictatorships, but, even more, they didnt want a Marxist revolution, they didnt support it at all.

    I also dont have anything against rejecting American hedgomy in the Ameicas, but, not under some Marxist ideology…Are you going to try to tell me Fidel and Che werent Marxists? Or is everything ok with you as long as they bash the USA

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  336. So, I want you to get it real clear that, I am not against Socialism, I am not against rejecting American hedgomy in the Americas, as a matter of fact, I say dont trust Americans, make them have to earn it, but, I wouldnt bend over in the shower just because the USA isnt in there…I reccomend dont trust anyone

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  337. @ Legion

    I LOVE that book!

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  338. @ Mbeti

    Followed over from the Melanin thread.

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/melanin/#comment-166220

    At what point do you stand and when do you just let it go.
    This forum seems most appropriate to expressing and critiquing opposing ideas,unlike live talk you get a written public record as well as your own personal copy.”

    Well, I think it depends on what you mean. If you believe that someone is attacking you with their religion, then that’s one thing. But if someone simply holds a belief, I’m not sure why it would have to be dealt with. I’m not saying that one should never ask questions, or point out inconsistencies, but as a general rule, trying to change someone’s religious beliefs is not likely to be achieved with an argument on the internet. Don’t you agree?

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  339. My viewpoint is we live in a universe that at its fundamental level is the same for everyone everywhere eternally.”

    That would be difficult to determine while sitting on one continent on planet of 8 in a solar system that revolves around a star that is one out of 300 billion stars in the this galaxy, which itself is one out of a trillion galaxies in the observable Universe. Exactly how would you know if things were the same everywhere or not?

    I find science to be our current closest approach to this truth and religions as immature attempts at the same thing.

    Science is very helpful and quite needful in our understanding of reality, but it is not all that there is. Certainly some room must be left for things that seem to defy scientific appraisal.

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  340. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OHTEllmS0s&feature=em-share_video_user)

    An open air pedestian maul gig where I produced a music dance festival with great examples of : samba, breaking, tortinho, locking, candomble , popping and Wayne Shorter songs…Im not playing a full drum kit, but, the Brazilian percusionist is wicked

    This is multi culturalism and Afro diasporic grooves and dances on display

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  341. ^^ Me too.

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  342. ^ Nice header

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  343. i love the first doll on the second row.

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  344. @ Bulanik

    Partial payment for that African belly dancer girl you got me hooked on!

    @ mstoogood4yall

    She is fierce 🙂 I must say

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  345. Diggin’ the new masthead Abagond. The doll in the top row 3rd from the left is best representation of my natural hair. Loving it!😀

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  346. Happy Easter, for those who celebrate it.

    If you don’t… well, chocolate!😛

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  347. Happy Easter!! To all commenters, trolls and lurkers!

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  348. Happy Easter to everyone.

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  349. I just love the dolls.

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  350. Folks, I am going to have the initial start of my Human Rights complaint on Tuesday. It is to set dates for a hearing. Wish me luck!!!

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  351. @ Herneith Best of luck to you. I hope things go in your dfavor.

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  352. Good luck Herneith!

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  353. Thank you, Bulanik, Mary and King!

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  354. i hope you win, Herneath , great you are fighting for your rites

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  355. @ Henrieth

    Hope the hearing goes in your favor and there is a huge $$$ settlement for you!😀

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  356. Folks, my case is going to a full hearing. The procedure chosen is to my advantage. But then again, they do not have much of a leg to stand on!

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  357. @ Herneith; I am praying that everything goes in your favor. And that you get justice.

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  358. Thank you Mary!

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  359. @Abagond & everyone else

    Have you all seen this British documentary before?
    (http://youtu.be/s7EwXmxpExw)

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  360. @Bulanik

    AH yes! But it was hard reading that thread since all the videos kept making my browser lag😦

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  361. Have you all seen this British documentary before?”

    Good documentary.

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  362. on Sun 7 Apr 2013 at 03:35:18 Vagabond Abscond

    Four girls are fighting to end a racially segregated prom system in their hometown:
    http://www.wsav.com/story/21866654/macon-students-fight-segregated-prom

    A black girl was elected prom queen by the student body, but could not attend the whites-only prom.

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  363. on Sun 7 Apr 2013 at 03:37:06 Vagabond Abscond

    Oops, I meant she won for homecoming and couldn’t attend the same one as the king. Still ridiculous.

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  364. Hang in there, Peanut, wait for the right guy…you deserve it…

    there are lots of ways to enjoy your sexuality and not have to have direct intercourse with a man

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  365. @ Peanut

    If you’re really anxious to have sex, then that is very likely to get in the way of your whole “connection with a man thing.”

    It’s kind of like going to the pound to pick out a dog that really seems to like you, but you’ve got a t-bone steak hanging around your neck. Strangely enough, ALL the dogs seem to like you!!!

    If you want to connect with a man you’d better do it BEFORE the sex card is out, because it’s going to be hard to determine exactly what he’s connected to after that.

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  366. on Tue 9 Apr 2013 at 11:35:40 King Of Trouble

    I read this and I thought wow, I can’t believe this is real, then I read it again and thought how is this possible.
    http://news.msn.com/us/georgia-high-school-students-unite-to-fight-segregated-prom
    Have I missed read this or is it because parents pay for it. I really didn’t think you could have segregated proms or the likes of it.

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  367. on Tue 9 Apr 2013 at 11:36:35 King Of Trouble

    oops Vagabond beat me to it.

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  368. yet another test post

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  369. the takeaway from doin cable tv in nj for 2 years is how many americans able to afford private housing dont have one book in their house

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  370. on Fri 12 Apr 2013 at 22:00:40 King of Trouble

    v8driver, I know what you mean as a teacher I visited a lot of my students homes and many of them didn’t have any books but the tv was like an altar. Before I left I brought all 180 of my books to the school and told my students to take them. A lot did but many couldn’t see where the books had value. You can’t eat it, hard to sell it, and maybe they could read it one time maybe not was the answer I got. High School is too old to install a love of reading you have to get them in kindergarden and grade school.

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  371. on Fri 12 Apr 2013 at 22:05:39 King of Trouble

    On another note, another teacher gets in trouble trying to make students imagine they are on the dark side of history. Instead of slaver driver they were asked to be a good little Nazi
    http://news.msn.com/us/ny-high-school-writing-assignment-explain-why-jews-are-evil

    I am shaking my ruler on how this teacher didn’t know something like this would get him in trouble. I wonder if it was poor communication skills or just plain ignorance?

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  372. on Mon 15 Apr 2013 at 01:31:13 Vagabond Abscond

    @King of Trouble

    I couldn’t believe the segregated prom thing either. Also, have you heard about this new song “Accidental Racist” (http://ideas.time.com/2013/04/11/viewpoint-you-cant-be-an-accidental-racist/), where slave shackles are equated with jewelry? Since I started reading this blog I have started to notice racism all over the place.

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  373. @Legion:

    Thanks Legion! My case is coming along, I will say they are f88ked and know it! All signs are good! Fight the power is all I can say. The more the merrier. Educate yourself as to how white supremacy works, there are academic disciplines and legal aspects such as critical race theory. Document anything which you feel may not be right(it probably isn’t). Email the clowns if you have any concerns(they hate putting things on paper!). Try not to depend on witnesses if possible. Many will ‘secretly’ support you but when it comes time to testify, will conveniently ‘forget’. Try to depend on documents ie, the systems, policies and procedure, that is where I got them! Anyhow don’t obsess on it but at the same time do not let these turds walk over you. I could go on ad nauseum but I won’t. I prefer hilarity and absurdities. Laughing at these fools is also a great boon! I will say that this has caused me to divert myself away from things I wish to do as it takes work. I had no assistance nor support except for a couple of people when I initialize my complaint yet I persevered. A higher being was definitely looking out for me! Take care!

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  374. oh man i need to go to a alcoholics anonymous meeting there is only one around here and its like 25 blocks away i’m not supposed to smoke cigarettes either the doctors told me

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  375. there’s this old new jersey saying, “yeah, right?” … it can mean anything based on tone and inflection too

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  376. Lol. I’ve certainly used “yeah, right!” in my time. Didn’t know it came out of Jesrsey. I’ve typically used it when I was faced with some thing or something someone said which I personally perceived as being false.

    The phrase “I know… right!?” seems to be used in a different way than “yeah, right!”

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  377. on Fri 19 Apr 2013 at 00:18:22 Vagabond Abscond

    Bangladeshi man beaten for looking Arab after Boston bombing:
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/bx_idiots_beat_up_arab_in_revenge_76qKozmZwDUpLUbacqqP3O

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  378. He must be breathing and earning a paycheque. He must be willing to hand it over on pay day. He must be willing to be in a woman led relationship!

    What attracts women to men?
    Triple Ds’!

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  379. test post again eh i snapped

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  380. Herneith, Was wondering how things were going with your case?

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  381. Herneith I didn’t see the above comments but am still lifting you up in prayer.

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  382. “sorry” aint really my style, but i apologize, as you know i’m not supposed to use alcohol for any reason whatsover but i do, and then i get on the internet well i guess its better than running around getting in fights. its not easy finding anyone to even have a freakin normal conversation that doesnt revolve around someone elses pharmacological needs around here, in the hood, and its getting to me. have a blessed day

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  383. Definitely “share” worthy

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  384. @ Abagond- can you fix and make apart of above post-thanks

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=D-eVF_G_p-Y)

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  385. @ lifelearner

    I think you just posted my favorite video. I loved that. He spoke the truth. So many thoughts are running through my head, but it was amazing. Thank you so much for that.

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  386. #Legion you are such a man. Articulate and well read. And you challenge a sister to think more critically. I nominate you Sir..

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  387. @ Bulainik, Kiss lots of leprachauns. Be safe. Come back soon.

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  388. @Legion I was feeling cheeky.

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  389. @ Sharina

    I know right! Keeps me grounded regarding raising critical thinkers. I hope his parents are proud. His creativity speaks volumes.

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  390. eh well i am too annoyed with myself to pick through accidental racist and black girl dating part 2 and 3 most of the comments was to abagond anyway he had to have read em if they got pulled too. like i just let stuff build up its some psychological defect but damn if i didn’t go out there and go to the little town meeting last friday all tuned up and confronted my schiz no fighting no new charges can’t beat that. well i cant say it improved my station any but it happened i still think round the way girl is the ish
    the other thing is maybe you can see it’s not so great to be white they shoot anybody now you can see when pulled over like the pickup truck in california two women and dbr? it is i. have a blessed day.
    -tc

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  391. and im not with that whoever was sayin there more enlightened sites out there i am out of extreme necessity trying to define a more than thuggish hood persona and believe me i got the arrest record to back that up i find myself really addicted to this blog but in a good way it is nice.

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  392. @ Peanut

    I have been kind of ignoring everyone lately. I would not take it personally.

    I will take a look at Heartiste. It does seem like a Roissy joint. Do you have particular posts in mind?

    I did do a post on Roissy:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/the-roissy-syndrome/

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  393. heartiste? wow that is harsh… “i am an alpha male but i have a blog and waste time ego-tripping on lesser life forms” i just checked that out for the first time and it makes me just want to step away from the computer and go outside

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  394. @ Abagond

    Hey, how do I find those adorable Black dolls you have featured in the banner up top of your site? I tried looking under Black barbies, but none of them have the awesome hair of the dolls you have up top. Help! Thanks in advance.🙂

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  395. @legion yeah man about 3 doctors and at least one dentist told me not to smoke but here i am with a newport 100 and well hey it’s not heroin

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  396. @abagond and you know what the eff i be talkin about dude

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  397. eh a lot of my cultural competence and btw havin a pulse is due to the eternal search for decorum

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  398. @darqbeauty

    King posted a link further up. Here it is, http://www.naturalgirlsunited.com/natural-hair-dolls.html

    I’m definitely going to support this business in the near further.😀

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  399. its not 400 years wife is stretching it

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  400. yay i got some posts through last night, i guess my who’s team do you want to be on is rhetorical because abagond lives in the us. so asked and answered. with the polemics, ac130 gunship…
    but to keep it 100% because i really dont feel like reading and writing right now, but i was on the track of something last night.

    as us ‘well-meaning’ at least quasi-enlightened ‘white people’ you should not be so critical of white guilt it is a way to process you know relations i guess in a general sense, it is what i feel when you know, you talk to a black american and they can’t tell you about their family before two generations or so, and not due to out of wedlock blah blah but you know, slavery, it was an undeclared war, again, the tricky part… not all of us were involved, i mean there is a way through all this

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  401. on Sat 27 Apr 2013 at 18:45:57 Vagabond Abscond

    The young women who were fighting for an interracial prom achieved their goal! It will be held tonight, Saturday the 27th. I wish them all the best; they have earned it.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/democracy-now/love-has-no-color-georgia_b_3163360.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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  402. @abagond you’re comin up in the blogosphere

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  403. @abagond and i know i can be a little rough, tryin to get there, man… eternal search for decorum

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  404. Cornlia:

    Randy, I would say that it is the never abating work of mostly African-Americans who have understood how this system works. You can call it Affirmation Action, I call it never giving up and sacrificing a lot for a just cause. It’s not “race” that has achieved anything, it’s beating them at their own game. It seems to me.

    From: http://www.pacificcitizen.org/columnists/james-kumpel/asian-americans-and-higher-education

    “Specifically, to have equivalent probability of admission as a black student with an 1100 SAT score, Hispanic students would need a 1230, white students would require a 1410, and AAs would need a 1550 (fully 10% higher than whites and 40% higher than blacks)”

    I would not characterize this advantage as resulting from “never giving up”, but rather from selecting a particular race on a college admission form.

    Linda is right about this line of discussion being off topic to the SSA post which is why I’ve placed this comment in the Open Thread.

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  405. honestly that what i want a nice black girlfriend with a southern accent not too fat drives a stick even on a truck not too much to ask right? like just be nice to me.

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  406. water seek it own level

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  407. oooh i didn’t know if i should put this in white american music
    “sample slim shady”

    wiki wiki wiki
    10 minutes most days
    500 words or less
    let my viewpoint through
    i’m a member of the press

    i will classify your schiz
    and write about it too
    and we’ll let the mob decide
    are you disadvantaged too

    well stats can reveal the truth
    if you read the book just right
    but you know i already saw that
    on tv last night

    i’ve done everything just right
    i’ve done what you should too
    i got my kids from that psycho
    where do yours go to school

    dont worry bout where i live
    or how i have fun

    my name is my name is
    none of your business

    rollin down the turnpike …
    rollin down the turnpike …

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  408. Aren’t Heartiste and Roissy the same the person?

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  409. ah man here we go again this is how my wordpress credentials got afu… hostilesector.com it is a game between that and facebook

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  410. @legion even i get that one

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  411. @legion hey well no problem… you may have notice my plate is full at this time.

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  412. also from my groovy little fb thread:

    another thing i learned over at abagond excepting that im a [explicit words alert] freak!

    is i’m mostly irish, but i’m not irish, but i identify as irish. huh. how’s that for higher learning

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  413. @ Legion

    The masthead is about the feeling of being the only black person when everyone else is white. It comes from here:

    http://abagond.tumblr.com/post/49451916496/beautifulblacksheep-thetpr-bana05

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  414. lol that guy in the pic looks like come save me!!!! everyone else is laughing and having a good time he looks miserable. Everybody hates chris.

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  415. For $10 a day you can help this poor black man surrounded by whites.The survival kit includes: a blanket,a flashlight,a little black friend,a black doll,a night light,and some ramen noodles. So please don’t delay pick up the phone and help,he needs you. call 1800helpme thats 1800-435-763 or go to http://www.helpthisman.org but wait if you call in the next 5 minutes we will send 2 kits for the price of one and you will get a t shirt.please time is running out. Thank you

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  416. @ Abagond

    Wow. I know exactly what that feeling is like in the masthead. The first time I was in a room full of only whites, I was terrified to death. I was petrified and couldn’t even move my eyes until everyone was gone. I thought I was going to die. At the time, I didn’t understand why I felt that way, but now I do.

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  417. The person at the bottom-left looks possibly Asian. Honorary white, perhaps?

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  418. I don’t know why I am doing this or what I am hoping for, but here it is.

    I am so very sad and angry right now. No one has passed away, but in a way I almost feel that would have been better than the actual situation.

    My father is one of the most intelligent and well-read people I know. He has worked hard all his life. He managed to become head of one department in a company. He made a lot of leaps forward for the company and raked in huge amounts of money for them, but never went above that position. Never even got close to the 30K a year salary. I was still a kid when he was suddenly fired and life became more difficult. He went from going to work in a suit and tie to going to work in a cleaner’s apron. He, the hard-working East Asian employee, soon became the mule of the company. Covering everyone when they were away, doing extra hours without extra pay, staying up all night because if he didn’t, they would make up some complaints some people had about his cleaning. They knew he needed the money. He was in charge of all other cleaners, but received no more than minimum wage. The other cleaners knew that if they felt too lazy to come in, he would do their work for them. They took advantage as often as they could. When the boss heard he was trying to set up his own cleaning company, they fired him.

    He was working three jobs (my mother, two). Salesman, cleaner, taximan. No weekends. No holidays. I never get to talk to my father. Even when I visit them and stay in their house. The only reason my parents could pay the rent and buy food was because of cash from his taxiing. Everything else is swallowed by other bills and paying off old debts. His boss was corrupt, though. Charging every taxi driver weekly payments to buy the car they were driving. By the time he would have owned the car, he could have bought five of them and it would be so old it would be useless, but when you need money and no one else will give you a job, what can you do? With three jobs to do, he didn’t have the time to taxi and cover those fees. They said he owed 4K. They took his car and fired him. He’s nearly 60. No pension. Now has to walk 3.5km every day to and from his sales job. Can’t pay the rent. Being taken to court. Threatened with repossession when there’s no money available to pay. Can’t get any benefits because after paying their bills, they have 1 pound for rent and food per week and that is apparently `sufficient’ and means they should be fine… And that was before he lost the taxi job.

    The company he sells things for are awful, too. He was part-time and came second in a country-wide competition for person who sold the most. The winner was full-time. So, in theory, he is the best salesperson in the whole country if he can come second, part-time, against a full-time worker. They gave him a `full-time’ job as a reward (which he had been asking for for years), but it was basically the same part-time hours rearranged with the same minimum wage. And for all the extra hours he spent covering for other people and doing over-time and consistently being top seller for months on end while coughing up blood from a persistent chest infection, they gave him… a piece of chocolate.

    I feel so helpless and useless because I have no money to send and it is illegal for me to work in the country I am in. Compared to UK wages, my husband’s salary is nothing, so he can’t help either. I can’t help. I can’t do anything. I can only watch and wait… And it is one of the most awful feelings in the world.

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  419. @ Iris,

    It sucks not being able to help. Sounds like your father is a great man with a tremendous work ethic. Maybe you can find some solace in this, once one hits rock bottom, the only way is up.

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  420. Welcome back Bulanik. Hope you had a great trip.

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  421. Check out this clip regarding Amanda Berry. Charles Ramsey’s was speaking nothing but The Truth! Check it out, especially 2:30 couldn’t help but LOL!!! “DEAD Give away!!” http://youtu.be/gcLSI3oyqhs

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  422. @lifelearner,

    I saw that too. His statements about “when a pretty little white girl runs into a Black man’s arms…something is wrong” makes me wonder if this is the media’s newest attempt at character assassination of Black men?

    I don’t believe anything the media puts forward is accidental.

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  423. @ phoebeprunelle

    I feel ya. But look at him, he’s an avg joe Black man and he went to help someone in need. Charles Ramsey was speaking truth, that girl had to be in trouble! Under normal circircumstances a little white girl wouldn’t dare ask a Black man for help so she must have been in dire need. Amanda Berry didn’t care about race at that particular moment she wanted to be free.

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  424. @lifelearner,

    I guess there are alternate views…but are they really “little” girls though??

    The whole thing reminds me of the post Abagond did called “Missing White Woman Syndrome”…

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  425. @phoebeprunelle

    Yeah I know about the syndrome and I agree with Abagond’s commentary *2007* ( wow, I wonder what post was your first one Abagond?) I digress.

    Yep she wasn’t even “little” so you are right about that. There are so many subliminal messages in that clip, there could even be a post about it. But I must give Mr. Ramsey props for being a hero. I’m sure the media will gloss over the fact that a Black man was involved with the safe return of this family member.

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  426. lifelearner,

    I did not post here until last year, but commentators have revisited that thread since i started…

    There are plenty of subliminal messages in that clip, but here is where i disagree:

    I’m sure the media will gloss over the fact that a Black man was involved with the safe return of this family member.

    On the contrary, I think the media is having a field day with the fact that he is a Black man who rescued a “little” white girl:

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/05/07/a-pretty-little-white-girl-ran-into-a-black-mans-armssomething-is-wrong-here/

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/cleveland-hero-charles-ramsey-says-something-is-wrong-here-19125172

    I’m not making a big deal out of it, but what else is new…

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  427. lifelearner writes:

    “Charles Ramsey was speaking truth, that girl had to be in trouble! Under normal circircumstances a little white girl wouldn’t dare ask a Black man for help so she must have been in dire need. Amanda Berry didn’t care about race at that particular moment she wanted to be free..”

    – – –

    I totally agree; and under similar circumstances, I myself might even seek assistance from a young white guy with tattoos and his hair in a very low buzz cut, whereas I would otherwise make it my business to avoid him!

    Regarding the usage of the word “little”: while it is often used to indicate the person in question is either a child or even just small in stature, it can also be used colloquially to mean that the (often young) adult person being described is quite a bit younger than the person using the term. I used to hear it used in this latter way occasionally as I was growing up — mostly by transplanted Southerners.

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  428. Well I’m sure there will be an autotune coming down the pipeline. Just like the ones that have come before him ( i.e. “Sweet Brown” and Antoine Dobson)

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  429. ^Yeah…15 minutes of fame LOL!

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  430. This is in relation to a conversation here

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-adventures-in-porn/#comment-169639

    and above this comment by Mbeti.

    Bulanik, your writing is good in its own right (don’t know if this means something ?) and also and mostly because you do have things to say !

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  431. I know it’s a little silly, but someone actually remixed the interview into a song.

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  432. @Franklin,

    I saw that this morning…i’, smh all the way…

    But, this whole thing about those women and what that guy is saying just doesn’t add up!

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  433. Guys, I don’t have time to read the comments above now, but I see you were talking about this kidnapping thing. Yesterday, we (I and husband) were wondering about this all out focusing on only the woman called “Amanda Berry”, as if she had an importance that overshadowed her other co-kidnappees… Is it because she is “white”, we wondered…

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  434. Iris, sorry about that.
    This is unfortunately the way this world works more and more… “progress” is nowhere to be seen, except in the benefits stockholders make, on the back of others.
    My husband works in a big American firm, and he is telling that he sees that they are laying off more and more Indian/Pakistani Engineering, which they used to praise, simply because they want to keep jobs for Americans. They are switching from “real” so-called “diversity” hiring to hiring (American) women, who are also counted as “diversity”. Which is not changing the numbers, but the “diversity” concept is doing what it was invented for: benefiting “whites”…
    Talk to your dad to tell him you admire him… That will probably be one of the best things he’s ever been expecting without knowing it…

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  435. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/09/angel-cordero-amanda-berry-neighbor_n_3246169.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D310818)

    It seems the man Charles Ramsey had mentioned seeing running towards the house where the kidnapped women were being held, is his neighbor, Angel Cordero, who lives across the street from the house in question.

    Mr Cordero, who doesn’t speak any English, states in an interview conducted in Spanish that he is Amanda Berry’s actual rescuer, as he was the one who arrived at the house first, and that he was the one who kicked in the bottom of the door, allowing Berry’s escape.

    He claims that Charles Ramsey, as well as other neighbors, arrived moments AFTER Berry had already been freed.

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  436. I am probably wrong for this. But this handling of this Charles Ramsey fellow is embarrassing to me. I hate the mainstream media and the way it handles black people living in urban communities. I am glad the young women are safe. But by the same token it rankles me the way they are using this Charles Ramsey fellow. I feel they are making him look foolish. I don’t know, but I am feeling some kind of way about this. It seems the media is creating a buffoonish character of Ramsey. That’s just my opinion.

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  437. @ Legion; I have always believed Sylvia Browne was a charlatan. I always felt she was pulling the wool over peoples eyes. Montel Williams has always been disgusting to me. I never was a fan of his.

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  438. And yes, I concur this is Charles Ramsey’s fifteen minuets of fame. But wait he may get a reality show out of this. Maybe Oprah will give him a spot on the OWN network. Maybe him and Tyler Perry will get together.

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  439. Re: Charles Ramsey meme-ification, this commentary sums it up pretty well. http://www.illdoctrine.com/2013/05/t-paining_too_much_the_meme-if.html

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  440. all that sex crap is all mixed up in my head it’s a real problem and it’s not well received by the neighborhood

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  441. then again who cares what a prostitute says bad against you or a drug dealer or crack smoker

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  442. I thought this might be of interest here…It seems science is finally catching on!

    “…Researchers establish link between racism and stupidity…”

    http://m.ucanews.com/news/news/researchers-establish-link-between-intolerance-racism-and-stupidity/41572

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  443. You’re not alone Bulanik it had me in stitches too!

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  444. @ Peanut

    Great idea. I will research booty dancing. If all goes well, the post will go up this coming Wednesday.

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  445. what is that ajax that is so slow here on wp it is not really keeping up with the excessive 500+ posting

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  446. and flash needs to get open sourced bye bye

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  447. the thing about those dna tests is that you are in the database once you get it domestic relations in PA was very sketchy and vague about their information sharing policies

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  448. and with the cameras it’s a little different taking pictures of black people vs. white people even with the digital ish dont know what that’s all about there was that thing with the xbox software too on some real ish

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  449. fb cleans my pics up up some but can’t balance both

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  450. Mary Burrell I felt the same about Charles Ramsey… I don’t think you’re wrong. They’re using him, pretending they are “letting black people express themselves”, while filming him (always up close, for instance, almost with the camera in his nose, outside, never quietly sitting somewhere with a dimmed light) in such a way that it shows it’s not what they are doing.

    They definitely don’t treat him in the same way they do most other witnesses. I’m pretty if he had had well trimmed hair and beard, glasses and an suit, we would never even have learnt from him…

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  451. @Legion; That’s for the information. I will certainly check it out. The cancer pink ribbon business is suspicious to me as well. All that money for research where does it go. Something is definitely rotten in Denmark where that is concerned. Again thank you for responding to me.

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  452. btw someone was trippin on romulus and remus a while back it’s like moses but this wolf mother found the twin boys and raised them as her own

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  453. Thanks you for the book recommendations, Legion.

    I myself have had a few minor run-ins, so to speak, with precognition, as well as other forms of ESP/PSI phenomena.

    Instances such as physically sensing (not just knowing alone) that the phone would ring moments before it does, and physically sensing, as well as knowing, that I would win a drawing (the prize turned out to be a few Sham-Wows rolled up in a rubber band lol) seconds before my number was called (this latter case was sort of an unpleasant / nauseating *quickening* sensation where everything appeared sort of wonky and surreal just before my ticket stub was pulled and number called

    There have been a few other incidences, also, none of which I had any real sense of control over. Mostly they were things that just happened rather than things which I MADE happen.

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  454. Abagond, do you think my comments are relevant to your blog ?

    I am getting a little tired of either the personal stuff or the “you’re white and shut up” things.

    I am not here to interact that way, to “justify” my “self”, but to give my humble but convinced opinion on the things you offer to discussion.

    There are too few places in this world for non-racists (and non-racist classified as “white”) to express their opinion freely and I know why.

    It makes me a little sad that people would perceive “me” (because it’s seldom what I say that gets pointed to) as they do, but they have their “reasons”, I guess.

    If you tell me my comments don’t bring any particular perspective, I’ll stop posting and will unsubscribe, because I actually put some time in this and I think (¨thought”) it was time spent positively.

    Thanks.

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  455. @Legion; Thank you so much. I always appreciate your input and commentary.

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  456. The MURDER BLACK PEOPLE “system/network” is just rollin’ along – exactly as designed… Another case of DEATH by cop, and “oops, sorry … wrong house, … of course race had absolutely nothing to with this!”

    Especially in Nashville, Tennessee.

    {{{ Yeah, right. }}}

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95475&page=1&fb_source=message#.UXvQ_EpNXOv

    White people with guns – and their enablers – are hazardous to the well being of Africans.

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  457. @ Cornlia

    I value all perspectives, even (or especially) those I disagree with. When offering an honest opinion there will always be people who do not like it. I hardly let that stop me.

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  458. A day like today is making me miss my mom very much right now. Happy Mother’s Day to all!

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  459. @leigh204; I am sad as well. My mother passed last month on this past Good Friday. Happy Mother’s Day blessings to all the mothers.

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  460. @ Cornlia

    I agree with Bulanik. Don’t let people get you down. If you believe in something stick by it and fight harder. Most of the time those people look like fools anyway. We all have had our share.

    @ Leigh and Mary

    I am sad to know you guys will not be sharing this special days with your mothers, but rest assured that they are looking down on you and love you.

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  461. I don’t think that last sentence came out right. They are looking down from heaven at how amazing their daughters are and love you.

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  462. Abagond, have you covered this one on your main site yet?

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwINn5DEL1c)

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  463. God bless everyone today.

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  464. @Sharina and all Thank You.

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  465. For Mother’s Day, I celebrated with my mom and my extended family my admission to the University of California at San Diego as an Electrical Engineering major. I visited with my mom the day before and the campus and city were so beautiful and modernized.

    I don’t mean to toot my horn. I just hoped to give any of you a positive newsworthy event for Mother’s Day.

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  466. Police State news:

    http://gizmodo.com/5890507/police-drone-crashes-into-police

    ****

    As predicted, the LOCAL police/military forces are IMPLEMENTING DRONE technology on AmeriKKKan soil (and in her skies).

    *What they do to people overseas, they will do to us over here.*

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  467. Legion, you have been acting like an a hole to me , but, I hope you get through your rough time

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  468. …and , Mary, may your mother rest in peace…hang in there

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  469. @Bulanik; No, I haven’t seen the Star Trek films. But I think Naveen Andrews is HOTTT!!!! I loved him on Lost and The English Patient. He is super sexy.

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  470. Yeah, He’s just yummy. LOVE HIM!!!!

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  471. Hang in there Legion. Best wishes to you.

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  472. good luck legion i’m goin thru it too obviously, but i didn’t go ballistic last friday first time in a while. the whole porn thing, it’s like some psychic cyst got lanced and drained no freudian slip intended. br’s funny he is like a pittie with a locked jaw. my current strategy is to avoid everyone i am not even really posting on fb it is time to turn this slight calmness into a wider entity of peace. thanks everyone on some real ish

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  473. @ Legion

    I am late with the well wishes but hang in there.

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  474. @v8driver

    I wish you luck as well.

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  475. right, well i didn’t go insane vis a vis ranting and drunkin posting last friday; that’s an improvement. Friday has been my day to sort of explode from poorly constrained stress. Posting about my sex issues is a step towards healing. BR is ‘stuck’ as we say or somewhat attached to the porn thing; a pit bull dog has jaws that will lock if the animal’s lower jaw goes past a certain point when it’s biting and it can’t be removed excepting with the animal’s death. An ‘analogy’. And I’m avoiding people because mostly, they want to get high here in my lovely neighborhood and I’m done for now, feeling peace-ish, good karma, namaste, all that! cheers!

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  476. I’m sad to hear of your mother’s passing, Mary. You have my sincere condolences.

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  477. Legion, you’ll be in my thoughts, and I hope that everything turns out for the best.

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  478. @Legion I will lift you up in prayer to the Father in my daily meditiations my friend Blessings to you. Mary

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  479. @ Fiamma; Thank You.

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  480. thanks bulanik

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  481. @ Legion, Bulanik, lifelearner & Cornlia

    Thank you for your kind comments and support. I really appreciate it.

    I spoke to my parents recently. They had applied for working tax credit as they are not entitled to any benefits. Despite several people they know who get it earning MORE than them, they were denied. My father insists what they have currently is enough to cover rent and food, but I am afraid.

    I really did think for a long time that, once they hit the bottom, the only way was up. Yet so many times they went one step forwards only to tumble two or three steps backwards due to some random awful event immediately following any good news. The other issue that holds them back is a bad credit rating from when he first got fired. Once you’re in there, you fall deeper and deeper. No one wants to give you a job. No one wants to have you renting their property.

    It’s a shame that is the way the world works. I wish I could do something, but I don’t know what…

    @ Cornlia

    If it means anything, I am always interested to read what you have to say.

    @ mary burrell

    I am very sorry to hear that. May she rest in peace.

    @ Legion

    I am sorry that you are also going through a rough time. I hope that there’s something you can do to improve the situation. Wishing you all the best.

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  482. @ Iris; Thank you. I will be think of you and your family during my meditation and prayer time. Blessings to you.

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  483. @ all
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=39c_1368515756

    A bit of comic relief, now just imagine if the childbirthing was up to the males. The human race would be extinct! LOL😀

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  484. @ Peanut

    My studies in bootyology proceed apace. I have not forgotten! I will have the post up tomorrow, God willing.

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  485. Yeah, well Im girding my loins for battle on that one , Abagond

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  486. gees , its a joke, meant to be funny, and at the same time, not knowing what kind of uptight commentary that could take it into “capatalism, racism, sexism” could be lurking….

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  487. @abagond you are confusing me

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  488. @ B.R. (and anyone else):

    What kinds of booty dancing do they have in Brazil? What do they call it (in Portuguese) or the different kinds of dances? Where does it come from? How far back in time does it go? Are there any good studies on it or stuff online? What do you remember of it in the U.S.? If you want to send an email you have my address. Thanks for any help you can give.

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  489. @ v8driver

    I am working on a post on booty dancing.

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  490. Make sure you include some man booty dancing for the girls!

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  491. Here is a citing concerning views on ethnicity in the UK:

    “A study conducted for the Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) in 2005 found that in England, the majority of ETHNIC MINORITY (emphasis, mine) participants called themselves British, whereas INDIGENOUS ENGLISH (emphasis, mine) participants said English first and British second.”

    Also, according to the link, the UK Census breaks down its white population as follows: white British, white (other) and white Irish. Non-whites are listed as being neither British NOR English nor Scottish nor Welsh nor Northern Irish; they are listed according to their actual ethnic / geographical origins: Black Caribbean; Black African; Indian; Bangladeshi; Pakistani; Chinese et cetera.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_the_United_Kingdom

    I won’t be returning to the Briticisms thread. Straw man arguments, appeals to emotion (‘Blacks and Browns died for England’ — I can die for Mars; it won’t make me a native Martian) and insinuations of my being racist against Black and Brown Brits (absolute nonsense) are rampant over there and all because I view non-English ethnics, regardless of race, who were born in England as being ‘British’ (which is actually a common descriptor for ALL citizens of the UK without regards to race or ancestry) rather than as ethnic English people.

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  492. Oh, and Abagond, please do something about the obvious examples of plagiarism which pop up in quite a few commentaries on your blog. If I’m aware of them, others are too. I’ve been guarded about saying anything concerning it here for months now, but the problem is never addressed despite it being so apparent.

    One recent example can be found in the comments under the Tasmanian Genocide post. The thoughts and wording which a particular commenter claims for self were actually words taken from the author of another blog. The link for said blog is contained in one of my posts in that thread (unless that particular post has been deleted for some reason, of course).

    There are many other examples, and I can point them out with proof if need be. This is why it is important to cite sources and/or provide links. Looking up info as a refresher to knowledge already acquired is one thing; lifting entire articles with a reorganizing here or a minor rewording there, and without citing sources, is another. My apologies, but it needed to be said.

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  493. I need friends my own age.

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  494. Hi. This website is a bit scary. I’m a young black women from USA. I was planning on studying abroad in the UK at the completion of my program, but after reading this website…I’m not so sure anymore. It looks like the UK is just as racist as the US. I don’t know if I want to spend extra money to be treated like crap over there, when I get treated like crap here for free.

    I actually found this site after looking for advice regarding some racist white women at my job who are trying to get me fired. Only to find that the place I’m eager to travel to (England) will treat me the same way. I don’t know what to do…I really want to travel abroad. Can any black women suggest some countries for me? I’m a bit upset, actually:(

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  495. @abagond you must have been typeing that just as I was commenting…
    yeah i kinda think someone else too has seen lately grouping of 3-4 threads that has some definite flow-through in there, i got it roughly at the time i was posting that more or less, and it’s interesting how i guess as sort of a late posting from the charles ramsey thread, the vogue thing came up. Damned if I say it, more damned if i don’t but a lot of ‘white folks’ wouldn’t even dream of seeing that hulking brute meme in the vogue picture, i know that for a fact, and there is a real disconnect there in perceptions.

    my thing is sort of refining again, my motivations to be here, i have to admit truthbetold makes me feel some kinda way like you know because i’m white, i guess it’s analagous to ‘white shame’ ie that there really aint much i can do but i have a relatively clean conscious and so if it don’t apply let it fly i said so before…

    and everyone talks about what they like in a sex partner, and their most likeley either married and probably bear little resemblance to the original body style into which they entered that sacred union, or are lonely and pining away into their computer monitor, i’m just looking for one who’ll give me a damn chance, not too fat, black, southern accent be nice but not required, and drives manual transmission, not too much to ask, right?

    she out there.

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  496. @legion I’ll check out Wayne Dyer, thanks, goin to the library today as a matter of fact…

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  497. @lovelygirl; I think you should travel and have your own adventure and experience. Racism will always be here no matter where you go. But I don’t think you should let that deter you. London is really cool. I would like to to go back there in the future. Maybe Bulaink and Legion would show me around some places I didn’t get to see. London really is cool. I think you really should travel abroad. To be well traveled is a great experience for a young woman.

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  498. Well….thoughts? Anyone else read about this?
    http://newsone.com/2465709/real-bronx-tours/

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  499. Thanks, Mary Burrnell. That’s encouraging. I should not let racist systems/people keep me from doing what I want to do in life. That is giving them power over me.

    I also read the “invisible black woman” article. Black women in USA are not invisible; it’s more like people choose to ignore us.

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  500. @legion i read the autobiography of malcolm x in about 1992, i remember it pretty well. I’ve always maintained that’s one thing about true communists or true muslims they respect all races.

    and don’t mind me too too much, my depression is pretty severe even when i have a breakthrough as i have on a couple items here, it only lasts for a little while, like a pink cloud vis a vis “recovery concept”, but the pills they give me make it worse…

    in terms of clarifiying my motives, i certainly don’t want to become some type of ‘know-it-all’ with regards to black culture, like a cocktail party socialite (yeah right), a wonk if you will, i suppose i identified that as a possible offshoot of participating here, not that being knowledgeable is bad in and of itself, but most of the women i have dated (yes, black) were not so much about history and stuff and perhaps moving up in a ‘class of understanding’ of black culture may put me in sort of a context of people that are more aware of race and the problems we have and maybe more reluctant to socially and/or emotionally bond with a white person, but then again this is philly…

    in any event, uber-libs up!

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  501. Bulanik writes:

    “What this musician/shop owner told me and believed, was that the lute developed in a culture that started to favour polyphonic chordal harmony while the oud developed in a culture that started to favour greater micro-tonal complexity. There was no need to eliminate frets for the lute, but much need to do so with the oud.”

    (extracted from Is the term sub-Saharan Africa racist? comment #159493)

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    The above was plagiarized from the following site:

    http://silpayamanant.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/when-music-became-complex/

    Excerpted from the site itself:

    “The lute developed in a culture that started to favour polyphonic chordal harmony while the oud developed in a culture that started to favour greater micro-tonal complexity. There was no need to eliminate frets for the lute, but much need to do so with the oud.”

    This is not a singular incident. There are many more. Even Wikipedia articles, which are easily accessed, have been plagiarized by this commenter….

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  502. “Wichita Lineman” is, like, a perfect song. The lyrics describe the loneliness that a man feels while he works and his longing for an absent lover. It paints a word picture of someone working high-up. The words alone are poetic and resonant.

    The phrase “singing in the wire” always stuck out for me.
    I thought it referred to the sonic vibration from by wind blowing across small wires / conductors, making them whistle or whine like a harp. In the recording itself, the orchestral arrangement is the effort of the violins and keyboards to mimic these ethereal sounds and morse code, and the words, “I can hear you through the whine” further alludes to them.

    white-american-music/#comment- comment #160909

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    Plagiarized excerpt:

    “The lyrics describe the loneliness that a telephone or electric power lineman feels while he works and his longing for an absent lover.

    The phrase “singing in the wire” can refer to the sonic vibration commonly induced by wind blowing across small wires and conductors, making these lines whistle or whine like an aeolian harp. It could also, or even simultaneously, refer to the sounds that a lineman might hear when attaching a telephone earpiece to a long stretch of raw telephone or telegraph line, i.e. without typical line equalisation and filtering.[10] In the recording, a notable feature of the orchestral arrangement is the effort of the violins and keyboards to mimic these ethereal sounds and morse code, and the lyric, “I can hear you through the whine” further alludes to them.”

    Uncited source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_Lineman

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  503. ^Link to comment ^

    link to other plagiarized comment follows:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/01/14/sub-saharan-africa/#comment-159493

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  504. Good point, Fiamma, there never has been a connection between you and me…but I noticed Bulanik seemingly quoting word for word from African Holocaust…..you are very obsevant

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  505. And I really find it funny that Bulanik, with her ability to bring past posts by people forward from the past, cant even bring in the post where I supposidly “belittled her as a blakc woman”, which she accused me of doing

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  506. I find this very strange trying to push a connection between me and Fiamma, I have hardly had a discusion with her, and she never really defended any position I took…..I mean this is bizzarre

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  507. the comment was removed about the suposed link with me and Fiamma…mentioning Mira…it looks like Im bringing up something out of nowhere

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  508. ‘line noise’ it is one of the most interesting sounds to me to hear the wind through that threaded steel cable, or yeah a ungrounded buttset (telephone tech test phone) on an analog system, would be some 50 Mhz carrier noise and staticy stuff… the telephone lines carry 40-120 volts to carry signal and make the old style phone bell ring

    talkin about some other ish being up on gaffs too, that was not fun.

    and for what it’s worth sw philly is a great place to lose that “white is the default” mind-set.

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  509. @ Kiwi

    con’t from Kartina Richardson thread

    I’m sorry you had to experience that. Fortunately, I was only ever there as an adult so it wasn’t as bad, but people’s treatment of me definitely stemmed from the same sort of thinking.

    I definitely experienced the worst when I was a kid and teenager in the UK. I think that view of me as being immature because of my race also existed, but people didn’t want to help me. Instead they over-estimated how weak and sensitive I must be and repeatedly told me my pain was `probably nothing’. One time I tore all the ligaments in my ankle and everyone insisted it was `just a sprain’. I came in the next day with crutches. Another time, I had to go to the emergency room in the middle of the night to have a retainer removed from my mouth as the wire had pierced its way into my gum. When I had complained of pain in school earlier, they brushed me off saying `braces are supposed to hurt’. As an adult I even had a small tumour (benign, thankfully), but the first doctor I went to condescendingly told me `everyone has pains now and then. It’s a part of life.’

    Another Asian girl I know literally told me, “Maybe they were trying to make friends with you by making an effort to speak your language” when I told her about an incident in Kenya where a man tried speaking Chinese to me even when I made it clear I was American.

    All I can do is roll my eyes.

    The man was a black native, but I noticed that when he spoke to my white uncle, he showed no disrespect and actually took what he said at face value, probably thinking he was a “real” American. African blacks kiss up to white Americans so much, it’s disgusting.

    I’ve experienced this too. I live in Asia at the moment and people seem to feel the same way about White Americans. Or any White man. That people will actually be hurrying around and going out of their way to please him. Or that people will take a White man’s word over mine when it comes to English, even if it’s his second or third language and I’m a native speaker!

    When I explained to my aunt (non-sellout) the China Doll Stereotype, she literally smiled, and said “That’s who I am! Submissive, sweet, and charming!” like it was something to be proud of. Asians can have white fetish too. I already mentioned an Asian male friend who goes only for white girls.

    That’s sad.

    I agree Asians can have a fetish, too. I see it here every day. Any young White guy with a little height gets looked at and flirted with endlessly by local women. It goes to these men’s heads and makes them vulgar.

    Sorry about the wall of text I slammed you with. I just wanted you to know that you’re not going crazy. But I feel like I am! Whiteness really can tell you that you’re wrong in a thousand and one ways!

    No need for an apology! I liked reading it.

    Glad to know I’m not alone with feeling like I’m going crazy. I naively thought moving to East Asia would free me from it, but you still feel the influence. Also, since I am half White I do get mistaken for 100% White half the time. It’s bizarre to go from being `the Asian’ and hearing all sorts of microaggressions about my Asian heritage to suddenly having people only seeing the White side. Hearing the compliments on my `big eyes’ or my `tall nose’ is also creepy. Even if that’s not mentioned, I always have to wonder if someone is only complimenting me because of the Whiteness they can see. This is also the first time where I have truly felt rejected by East Asians as well as White people. So while I may enjoy some things here, I do struggle internally with it sometimes.

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  510. @Iris,

    Yes, your experience echoes many Eurasians who move to Asia. It seems whites see Asian features first, but Asians often see “western” features first – a perpetual foreigner everywhere. Also, you understand how a “compliment” feels more like a rejection. Do you understand the local languages / dialects well?

    Have you been to Xinjiang or Central Asia? That is an interesting experience.

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  511. For those readers who are unsure as to why plagiarism is considered an unethical practical (a form of thievery, essentially), the following is an excerpt from:

    http://www.ehow.com/list_6574936_effects-plagiarism.html

    “Habit
    Plagiarism is a form of cheating, and when a person commits plagiarism they’re not doing their own work but rather riding on the coat tails of someone else. If plagiarism remains undetected then the cheater may end up getting higher marks or credit than he deserves. If a plagiarist gets away with it once, then he may think he can get away with it more than once as well, which leads to repeated cheating. This practice can eat away at a person’s integrity and work ethic, especially if they’re not getting caught while they use another’s work as their own.

    Embarassment
    Another effect of plagiarism is that it creates embarrassment for both the plagiarist and for those who didn’t catch the plagiarism sooner. This is especially the case when the plagiarist has passed off his work as his own and he’s been given praise, grades or admittance to a college based on plagiarized work. This can lead to a loss of face for the organization, but it can also lead to a loss of face for the person who got caught plagiarizing.”

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  512. Absolutly, Fiamma, and it raises a lot of other questions , like how much else of what the detected plagiarist is saying is true? How much anecdotal evidance the plagiarist has given in the past is true ?

    There is a show on MTV where they go investigating cyber relationships, where a person has built a cyber relationship on the net, and they go to find out if one of the people actualy is who they say they are, and, they discover they are completly differant, sometime a differant sex than they claim.

    Fiamma, you were maliciously attacked for pointing out the incidents that were plagiarised…Abagond had to delete one post because it was an obvious attack on you

    The truth is the internet is rampant with cyber fraud, unfortunatly, it is one of the vulnerable areas about it

    When something like that happens on a blog like this, there is a short moment where you start to get these are just cyber blips , and you start looking around at the other cyber blips around you and wonder if they are for real or not

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  513. Ive got to hand it to you, Fiamma, I could learn a lot from you , seeing you start to get belittled leading to malicious and deceitful attacks, you calmly went ahead and did the research and sliced and diced to get to the truth

    I guess for the literary, the plagiarising is the moral issue, for me its the malicious deceitful belittling , charactor assasination, and the lingering stench of lies that carry over from these charactor assasinations

    “Another effect of plagiarism is that it creates embarrassment for both the plagiarist and for those who didn’t catch the plagiarism sooner. This is especially the case when the plagiarist has passed off his work as his own and he’s been given praise…”

    Unfortunatly, I dont see you getting much support on the blog, now, Fiamma, only me and Abagond have noticed how astute your work was.

    People have invested in being “freinds”…you got courage,

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  514. eh i don’t think next>> is going to cut it… and i have problems with embedded videos in general here phone and computer it might be international rights who knows my flash is up at home

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  515. last person called me ‘my n’ i said no i take that as a compliment i mean that is a simple fact of life of talking to black people in the hood, that is another you know real issue to address for me and you know white people in general, but ‘ns and bs’ you know that is not my place to say stop that

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  516. @ Iris

    Or that people will take a White man’s word over mine when it comes to English, even if it’s his second or third language and I’m a native speaker!

    I know what you’re talking about. My aunt (the sellout) lives in France and has poor English skills. She was writing an e-mail to an American friend and she asked me for the English translation of, “Quel dommage que…”. Wishing to be of help, I happily told her it was “What a shame that…”. Instead of thanking me, she put on a sour face and said “No, that sounds wrong. ‘Shame’ is a very strong word. Using it is bad.” Feeling like I had just been slapped in the face, I said, “Well, that’s the translation. If you don’t like it, try ‘What a pity that…'”. She said, “No, ‘pity’ is a strong word, too”. If she’s not even going to trust what I say, why did she even bother asking? Later, she asked the same white American uncle I mentioned earlier for the translation, and sure enough, he said, “‘What a shame that…’ or ‘What a pity that…'”. The same exact answers I gave.

    She put on a fake, friendly smile and said, “Thank you”.

    I’m surprised you get turned off by the compliments of your white features. When my mixed cousins have their features recognized, even when it’s just a remark, not a compliment, they get really happy and blush, as if they’re overjoyed to be recognized for who they “really” are.

    Also, I thought it was hard enough being Asian-American without having to be mixed. Americans don’t accept me because I’m not white. Asians mistake me for a native, but I’m American at my core, so I can’t relate. This is why I hate the Melting Pot Myth. 99% of the world thinks only whites can be American, anyway. Whites are just patting themselves on the back for being so “liberal”, “free”, “open”, and “democratic”, something “non-whites aren’t kind enough to do in ‘their’ countries”. Lies, just lies. Having your cake and eating it, too. That’s what white Americans/Canadians are good at. Just look at the anti-Asian quotas in the Ivy League or the MacLean’s “Too Asian” article. Whites feel entitled to an easy life without having to work for it. That’s why Hispanics take the jobs white Americans don’t want and Asians take the jobs white Americans are too lazy to qualify for. Meanwhile, they take all the easy, high-paying jobs that don’t require a college education (ex: my Dad’s workplace). Bootstraps, my ass.

    Thank you for your attention. I appreciate it.

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  517. @Kiwi
    Re: Iris

    I’m surprised you get turned off by the compliments of your white features.

    If you cannot understand that, how would you feel if someone got complimented by their Asian features, eg, “I love your slanted eyes and flat face” would that turn you off? What do you imagine the difference would be to an non-mixed Asian that hears that vs. a Eurasian?
    If you can understand why that might be a turnoff, then maybe you can understand why being “complimented” on having certain “white” features can equally be a turnoff.

    Regarding your cousin, it might be that they might listen to white people saying all day long how “oriental” they look and when finally someone points out that they look part white, they might feel a sign of relief that someone finally recognizes what their background is. But it is not the same if someone does that in Asia.

    I hope you could see how it is possible for even a full Asian to feel a compliment if someone asks her if she is part white based on her features, and how a Eurasian might feel differently, especially if it is disguised as a compliment, but the subtext is that the person does not COUNT as fully human (or at least not at all like them) because he/she cannot be categorized in their mind. In the Eurasian’s case, they feel like they are being dissected.

    Please keep this in mind the next time you are thinking of complimenting someone on this.

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  518. @ jefe

    My cousins are complimented only in Asia, which might explain the phenomenon. You might also need to know that one of them has referred to me being Asian in a derogatory tone on multiple occasions. Another one was very insensitive towards the fact I’m Asian and rubbed a prejudiced event in my face, thinking it was funny. As for my not understanding, my perception is that Asians by and large value white beauty and would desire to be whiter and feel complimented when recognized as such.

    Perhaps I was being presumptuous in assuming that Iris would wish to be whiter, but that is my experience with Asians; myself, my family, and others included. To be fair, I know of zero Asians who value blackness. One time, we were at a shopping center and I saw a South Asian girl who looked particularly pretty but right as I started staring and dreaming, my mother said, “Ugh, that girl is so dark. How scary.” with a tone of deep disdain. I felt like I had been slapped in the face and had a bad taste in my mouth for the rest of the afternoon.

    So, no, I would not dream of complimenting someone on how white they look. I would expect most Asians to, though.

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  519. @ jefe

    To add to that, most South Asians or Southeast Asians are usually confused or amused when I tell them how jealous I am of their dark skin and that I have to worry about skin cancer while they don’t (genetically, I’m also more susceptible, so it’s not just because I’m East Asian, even though that doesn’t help). There seems to be an assumption even among darker people that compliments are usually reserved for lighter people, hence the surprise when I compliment people for their darker skin.

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  520. I think it is always creepy when someone compliments you on something (not race-related, like being intelligent or talented or high achieving or tolerant of cold), implying that race itself has something to do with it. It is also creepy to be complimented for “having their Caucasian’s parent’s (tall) height, when it is their Asian parent that is tall and the Caucasian parent is shorter. These things are simply creepy.

    Compliments can sometimes be disguised racial remarks. For example, I am sure you have experienced someone telling you how good your English is, but be miffed if you alert them that they made a glaring error in their English (as though you, someone who probably does not have a full grasp of English in the first place, could have the gall and disrespect to do that) when all you were trying to do was clear up a misunderstanding caused by their defective English. Now imagine a Eurasian being told by white people how good their English is, and by Asians how good their (Asian language) is, when you know, full well, that they did not mention the subtext.

    That is beyond creepy.

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  521. @ Jefe

    Yes, your experience echoes many Eurasians who move to Asia. It seems whites see Asian features first, but Asians often see “western” features first – a perpetual foreigner everywhere. Also, you understand how a “compliment” feels more like a rejection. Do you understand the local languages / dialects well?

    Yes, I was expecting it in a way, but perhaps not as bad as it is.

    It makes sense that one group sees the features `opposite’ to theirs first, but in Europe and North America, it seemed other Asians recognised I was Eurasian a lot easier than White people did. (Without me telling them.)

    My father didn’t get the chance to teach me when I was young. I am learning, but it’s not at a high enough level, yet. I can do most basic things necessary to survive here, but not have a casual conversation with anyone beyond a few sentences. I can read a lot more than I can speak.

    Have you been to Xinjiang or Central Asia? That is an interesting experience.

    Unfortunately, I haven’t had the opportunity to travel there. If I ever have the chance, I will. What was your experience?

    Yes, you understand why being complimented on being half White is uncomfortable and does not feel flattering for me!

    I think it is always creepy when someone compliments you on something (not race-related, like being intelligent or talented or high achieving or tolerant of cold), implying that race itself has something to do with it.

    It is, isn’t it? I also dislike it when you are talented at something and someone takes away from it by bringing up your race as if that should automatically grant you that skill. One person said I am learning Mandarin so quickly, then another said, `Oh, it must be programmed into your brain because of your Chinese genes!’ Nothing to do with my intelligence, hard work or will to learn, it’s just easier for me because of my race…

    @ Kiwi

    I have had that exact same experience as well. Where I will give an answer and it won’t be accepted, then the person asks a White person (whether they are a native speaker or not) and their reply IS accepted. (Even when it’s wrong.)

    I’m surprised you get turned off by the compliments of your white features. When my mixed cousins have their features recognized, even when it’s just a remark, not a compliment, they get really happy and blush, as if they’re overjoyed to be recognized for who they “really” are.

    From what you’ve said, your cousins don’t sound as aware of racial issues as you and I. I probably would’ve welcome the compliments when I was unaware, too. Thanks to internalised racism, I used to wish for a narrower, pointier nose along with bigger, greener eyes and bigger eyelids.

    Jefe understands partially why I dislike it.

    Another reason is White people have always been the ones hurting me and attacking me for being East Asian, so why should I be happy for being recognised as one of them?

    In addition, being perceived as East Asian has shaped the majority of my life and personality. In being seen as only White, it is as if I myself am erased along with my life experiences. It also takes away from my strength to fight through adversity instead of being handed things due to privilege.

    Also, my father is quite dark. The darkest on his side of the family. I have never heard any hateful commentary on dark skin from him or my Chinese side of the family. So there was no emphasis on having `beautiful’ white skin.

    Jefe already mentioned being racially dissected. That’s a very uncomfortable position to be in. It is also awkward to have everything tied to race. `You’re beautiful because you’re White’ is just as bad as being told, `You’re good looking for an Asian.’ It’s a back-handed compliment. Is my Asian half supposed to be a stain that made me uglier? Why must it always be about my being mixed? Why not a compliment for ME the person, and not my race?

    Also, I thought it was hard enough being Asian-American without having to be mixed.

    It depends on the individual. I’m sure there are plenty of mixed people who have had an easier life than me and you. As well as those who’ve had it worse. Being mixed just adds another layer of things we may have to deal with in addition to the usual things in life.

    … Whites feel entitled to an easy life without having to work for it. That’s why Hispanics take the jobs white Americans don’t want and Asians take the jobs white Americans are too lazy to qualify for. Meanwhile, they take all the easy, high-paying jobs that don’t require a college education (ex: my Dad’s workplace). Bootstraps, my ass.

    If you’ve seen my post further up about my father’s struggles to succeed in the UK, you’ll know I agree with you 100% on the useless bootstraps…

    Thank you for your attention. I appreciate it.

    Thank you for the same.😛

    On the Asians not valuing blackness and hating being dark, yes, that’s 100% true. Darker skin is seen as ugly here. The whiter, the better. I always thought I was fairly light (feel neutral about that), but I’m considered medium here. If I pick make-up in the darkest tone, it’s still too light for me and people hand me whitening creams on the street and in stores. I find beauty in various skin tones, but the locals definitely don’t.

    Hmm, I can really write a book on this, can’t I?

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  522. @Iris
    Sorry for the long reply, but here it goes.

    Another reason is White people have always been the ones hurting me and attacking me for being East Asian, so why should I be happy for being recognised as one of them?

    In addition, being perceived as East Asian has shaped the majority of my life and personality. In being seen as only White, it is as if I myself am erased along with my life experiences. It also takes away from my strength to fight through adversity instead of being handed things due to privilege.

    I understand that too.

    My mother is from a small city in Alabama. I was her parents’ first grandson, born during the time of the Freedom Rides (Abagond even did a post on my mother’s hometown — I did one on my hometown neighborhood too)😛 . Most grandparents are proud of having grandkids, esp. their first. Mine were deeply ashamed. They would not take her in after she had a fight with my father (if she brought her baby with her). When I was a child, they brought out the Bible and told me I was cursed by God. My family could not travel together as a family before the anti-miscegenation laws were repealed. When we moved into neighborhoods, we (and our house) were attacked, windows broken with rocks, fires started on the property, signs and flags planted in the yard stating “Jap, Go Home”. I was bullied regular by both whites and blacks “let’s go get the Chink”. Couldn’t wait to leave. That is one reason I went to New York (and later, away from the USA).

    My grandparents got better for a while in mid-childhood (sharing themselves more with me), but re-condemned me after I got to my late teens. They told me I could never be an American, unless I castigate any association with “non-American” things (eg, learning Mandarin, making friends with some Asian-Americans, etc.), and maybe after 3-4 generations of dilution, my great-grandkids could be reclassified as American.

    It didn’t stop there. At job interviews people asked where I learned English, and how long I had been in the USA. Coworkers circulated a lot of “oriental” jokes around the office. Real Estate agents in NYC would not show me apartments or steered me to certain neighborhoods or landlords. I strongly believe it was also a factor in getting fired from at least one job. And once, someone who hired me (a Jamaican-born black American) told me that he hired me because he prefers “orientals”. I was sick and tired of it, and felt that I had to leave.

    So, yes, I understand how being classified as “white” on random, but frequent occasions is not only creepy, but somehow seems to erase a lifetime of experience. But, for multiracial people who get accused of kissing up to whites, I can never condemn however they decide to live their lives either. Whatever is fine as long as it does not hurt others. If it works for them, then great.

    But, it didn’t stop by moving overseas. For example, in my prior job, when I brought a bowl of congee and rice crepes to work for breakfast, I had a Chinese colleague tell me that she was surprised to see me eat that and thought “you all” (referring to me) eat bread for breakfast. Within the same week, a British colleague (who happened to be married to a Taiwanese) saw me bring in an Egg McMuffin, and told me that he thought “you people” (meaning me) eat congee and fried noodles for breakfast and HE was surprised. You can never win. No matter what I do, people will be shocked or surprised, or attribute it to something racial. It gets weary.
    Still, it is not 1/10 as bad as it was in the USA.

    It might help to keep note of multiracial people that the general public knows, so that they can associate you with something. When they have a familiar concept to latch onto, then they might limit some of their creepy behaviour. For example, in China and Taiwan, everyone knows who “Fei xiang” (Kris Phillips) is – a model, singer and actor in Taiwan and China, but also a model and broadway performer in New York. In the late 1980s, his performances in China were a form of peace offering from both Taiwan and America – the first person from either place to perform on Mainland China national television in a public venue in Beijing. I tell people, even now, that back when he was popular, someone circulated a rumour at a party full of Taiwanese girls in the USA that I was his younger brother (Suddenly everyone was dying to meet me.). In any case, behavior such as speaking both English and Mandarin does not seem strange (for a Eurasian) if people have a reference to explain things for them.

    Then they might attach some of their attitudes towards that person onto you. But if you can steer them, at least you might be able to manage it.

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  523. @ jefe

    Holy hell, your life really calls into question the Model Minority stereotype. Growing up, I always had the impression that Asians had been accepted through their education, money (ignoring higher living costs), and hard work. Turns out it’s just a lie by conservatives to pat themselves on the back for being “liberal” while continuing to practice racism against blacks, Hispanics, and even Asians.

    Interestingly, Most Asian-American voters have become Democrat since 2000. I wonder if the socio-political scene will become more hostile for Asians now that the Republicans know that Asian-Americans by and large don’t buy into their model minority myth anymore. My parents are Republican, now uncommon among Asians, and I think that is a huge symptom of their belief in the model minority myth. My theory is that because the stereotype is not applied to blacks or Hispanics, they have always been overwhelmingly Democrat (since the 60s). For the same reason, Asians used to be Republican, and I think the main reason was their thinking they had been accepted into the mainstream. Yes, I do believe America’s government leans right and is dominated by racist conservatives, like Abagond said.

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  524. @Abagond

    Please delete ALL comments on this blog-site made by me up until 23rd May, 2013.

    Please delete each and every statement, personal account, question, answer, video and link provided by this commenter, on ALL THREADS.

    I have requested deletion of my comments before, and this request is not different.

    ***********

    In doing the above, note that:

    1) it’s not for you to judge your commenters from a position of moral superiority. As you judge others, so shall you also be judged. And,
    2) you have no entitlement to make a “patsy” out of me because I do not flatter you.

    Thank you.

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  525. @ Anyone who would like to respond…

    Have I missed something here?

    abagond

    @ Fiamma

    Thank you for the examples. They are helpful.

    @ Bulanik

    1. I deleted two of your comments where you question Fiamma’s motives or make light of them.

    2. Fiamma’s examples are pretty damning. I have unwittingly repeated things I have read, using some of the same words and phrases, but not to that level of detail. I still put things the way I would say it.

    The dyslexia thing I could maybe buy, but attacking Fiamma makes it seem like you have a guilty conscience. Plagiarism is serious. Someone who did it unknowingly would be embarrassed and apologetic, not trying to turn the tables.

    I’d like to know where these examples are? Have they been deleted why?

    Bulanik has made many and extensive contributions on this blog…Informative and factual. More than ANY other blog commentator you could care to mention regularly and persistently commenting here.

    Granted she has allowed her comments to diverge into petty and pointless pursuits – Sometimes. But then I could quote or provide far worse examples displayed by other commentators much less informative comment. So I repeat…

    Have I missed something here….!

    Why is crucial evidence not being publicly and honestly displayed in the spirit of openness we all take for granted on this blog?

    @ Bulanik

    Your comment to Abagond to delete ALL your contributions up to this point seems ridiculous and childish to me and would prove nothing regardless of what has been said whether it was true or false. IT RESOLVES AND ACHIEVES NOTHING!!!

    @ Abagond

    If you comply with Bulanik’s request you will also be guilty of condoning such behaviour. (as well as shining a light on your own) Not to mention ruining your own carefully recorded historical account of the many freely given contributions of Black, white and non-white commentators alike. Is this really what you want to do?

    Is it really worth just throwing all this away…over what…?

    This is not the first time I’ve seen this type of “acrimony” break out… I have commented on it before and will doubtless do it again…

    Surely, in the midst of these (in my humble opinion) childish, petty, immature and superficial squabbles you can find a better solution than that???

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  526. I have a simple question I would like to pose on the evidence of plagiarism (true or false) levelled at Bulanik on this site…

    What was she hoping to gain from this assuming this was true?

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  527. “Bulanik writes:

    “What this musician/shop owner told me and believed, was that the lute developed in a culture that started to favour polyphonic chordal harmony while the oud developed in a culture that started to favour greater micro-tonal complexity. There was no need to eliminate frets for the lute, but much need to do so with the oud.”

    (extracted from Is the term sub-Saharan Africa racist? comment #159493)

    ————————

    The above was plagiarized from the following site:

    http://silpayamanant.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/when-music-became-complex/

    Excerpted from the site itself:

    “The lute developed in a culture that started to favour polyphonic chordal harmony while the oud developed in a culture that started to favour greater micro-tonal complexity. There was no need to eliminate frets for the lute, but much need to do so with the oud.”

    This is not a singular incident. There are many more. Even Wikipedia articles, which are easily accessed, have been plagiarized by this commenter….”

    Kwamla , Fiamma starts a bunch of posts showing plagiarism here…I dont know how to link up posts, but it is right up above on this thread, maybe May 23, you can read her other proof after that link

    Interesting how people are implicating me “petty squabbles”….”high school”…this has absolutly nothing to do with me except my name was brought up in the deleted post as though I was colaborating with Fiamma against her

    I have nothing to do with it, Im only commenting on it…after all, it is valid to note Fiamma was maliciously attacked, the fact I have been maliciously attacked for two years being called a stalker doesnt really count

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  528. Is this a high school confidental or a blog for grown ups?

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  529. @ all

    I am away from my computer and am unable to do any mass deletion of Bulanik’s comments till Monday.

    It is her right, in my book, to have any or all of her comments deleted, however unwise that decision might seem to me. She knows her situation way better than I ever will.

    I do hope she reconsiders. Her comments play a big part on many threads. Removing them will make those threads hard to follow.

    What makes sense to me is to remove only the questionable posts, the ones Fiamma pointed out, and put Bulanik on warning to be more careful in future, writing it off as an honest mistake.

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  530. @Bulanik: I wish you would reconsider and keep your comments on the blog. Your commentary is a very integral part on this blog site. I hope you consider commenting. I really enjoy your commentary.

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  531. @bulanik, hope you stick around it’s great to get perspective from outside the US

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  532. @ B.R.

    1. You need to cool it on what someone said about you in a DELETED comment. Even I am forgetting what it said. Give it a rest.

    2. We do not know who Bulanik TRULY is, but the same could be said of you. Apart from ordinary human vanity, I have no reason to suspect her of being anything other than how she represents herself. If anything, people are TOO honest about who they are, a leading cause of Massive Comment Deletion Syndrome.

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  533. @ Peanut

    She did not give a reason. You probably know as much as I do.

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  534. @abgond ” If anything, people are TOO honest about who they are, a leading cause of Massive Comment Deletion Syndrome.”

    you know white people’ll tell you their whole life story, that’s what vicki always used to say she wasn’t the only one

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  535. Except I can direct you to 50 video clips that bear out who I describe who I am

    You can google up my name with an added word “cd” and get many pages of reality of my experiances, which Im happy to direct anyone to

    Unless you argued that Im totaly stealing some ones identity…

    While most of the people here , and especialy those belittling me are mostly cyber blips we really dont have a real idea who is who

    , yes, that is the point, Abagond, its a bunch of cyber blips , and unless someone can direct us to proof of who we are, people could be totaly hiding behind their screens, and pretend anything, its sure happened with the plethora of sock puppets. I have also maintained , its not even the plagiarism, its the malicious nastiness that is on display, that really is something I dont like and have no problem defending against

    I have already said , it doesnt matter if anyone doesnt see the deleted post, what is important is I saw it

    I also said Im not asking for any punishment, but I would be relentless if any nasty things are implied or directly sent my way in any future debate, and Im too lazy now , but it wouild be my pleasure to find more posts that are plagiarised, Ive had my suspicians before and mentioned it on the SSA thread, I just didnt go and try to prove it

    You see Abagond, in my real life , I laugh at what has gone down…but , my cyber blip has been attacked, belittled, lied about and ganged up on, its obligated to do its duty on some cyber space survival leval, I couldnt stop it if it wanted to…for sure delete any comments that are against your blog rules, as you are doing

    For the people throwing up shock and feined upsetness at our “sqabbles”, look in your own mirrors, none of you, absolutly none of you have not been in your own nasty squables

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  536. Is this a high school confidental or a blog for grown ups?

    I’d haard a guess and say it is a bit of both!

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  537. yo if i knew what i knew now in high school i would be a different person by seven league strides

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  538. @.br you come across, i don’t know how to say it, a little help here?

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  539. @herneith: Yeah, I think it is gettin hard to guess.

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  540. @sam sometimes watching abagond’s process is like watching a binomial search progress he is good at what i would call a reductionist psychological process

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  541. eh, i jumped into this fb group called “THE GREAT DEBATE OF THE RACES!” it is basically the broken record dep’t here x10 and it is a very short grace period, it is not recommended for serious study

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  542. Ill tell you what, Abagond, Im happy to make a trade here, Bulanik can come back on, she isnt banned, and Ill leave, to not be a constraining force….just to show Im not playing games here…

    Im extremly disalusioned with attitudes on the “bootie dancing” thread about Brazil…I dont really keep company with people who think like that, as well as the international American policy threads constrain me if I cant curse people out

    Its not you or your fantastic blog, I just dont like keeping company with people who describe passistas as “bootie wiggling, propositioning coitus” ” over sexualised” and try to tie in Baile funk with child prostitution, and where malicious deceptive behaviour is accepted because a person apears to be ideologicly hooked up…Im very disalusioned with the side of the left that accepts lies , half truths , hypocracies where they scream bloody murder at the USA but wont utter a peep at the other side…or even try to champion Fidel or Che…underneath the supposed squables are serious ideological battles going on…and I absolutly hate the right wingers…but im very disapointed in the left wing that is getting uptight and more uptight as time goes by

    So, if Im the constraining factor here, Ill gladly leave, if that is what Bulanik needs to come back on, because if she comes back and im on here and she makes some kind of negative remark about what Im saying,Ill be relentless, all she has to do is come in and accept the trade…on one condition, no mention of my name aftewrwards or make a statement about a position I took, or an implication of a position I took

    Again, its not you or your fantastic blog…Ill just offer up a solution here that might satisfy the blog commenters

    And you people feigning shock at the long winded arguments, you must be joking, you all need to look in the mirror…I mean , when you all pretend its so highschool and the whining and how horrible these battles are , its just comedy central at that point

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  543. @ All

    Despite what might have been said in those deleted posts (I didn’t bother seeking out her responses, as I knew they’d be extremely catty given the circumstances), I actually liked Bulanik as a commenter; she is quite personable.

    I’ve known for at least a year of the plagiarism but sat on it and even tried to throw out general hints for commenters to provide links to their sources etc., but she didn’t seem to catch these hints. And, no, I wasn’t stalking her. The very reason she was caught by me is precisely because she wasn’t providing sources despite the fact she was giving extensive detail (dates, names, figures, obscure terms and phrases) in her comments. When links or sources aren’t provided with such a great amount of detail and assertions, I tend to cross reference to make sure what I’m reading is based on fact and not, say, someone’s faulty memory. Banned commenter no_slappz used to write similarly long and unlinked comments mixing fact with inaccuracies and outright lies. I double checked his posts for accuracy, too. My habit of double checking is what caused me to uncover the plagiarism and not because I’m any kind of internet stalker (which is an ad hominem in itself)

    I could have posted about it a year ago, but I did not do so because Bulanik is a much loved commenter. She crossed a line with me, however, and I had no reason to continue keeping the lid on the plagiarism – and deleting all her comments will certainly get rid of the evidence of the plagiarism, as it’s not because there aren’t any more of these plagiarized posts, there are indeed many more…I made my point by finding and posting just 2 of them. If I wanted to spend my precious time digging through all her posts, and if I was just the hateful of her, I could provide many more.

    I know that I am ‘persona non grata around’ here, I’m certainly no social butterfly and never intended to be. All I ever intended to do was to post my thoughts and opinions; I wasn’t looking to be part of a coffee klatch. And actually I started out just posting my comments without taking too much notice of others or their comments, but was drawn in to things by a commenter who apparently hates to be ignored and who finds Americans to be too rude. I should have maintained my rude stance of mostly ignoring other commenters and none of this would have been uncovered, and everyone would still be happy lol. No one likes a whistle blower; they are almost always made out to be the bad guy in a bad situation. And I see that happening here especially with some of kwamla’s comments.

    I will stop posting here — for once and for all — and Bulanik, if she desires too, can return.

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  544. @Fiamma; For what it’s worth, This is so unfortunate. I enjoy your commentary as well. I find it sad that anyone has to leave. I learn much from your commentary as well. I repeat this is just so sad to me.

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  545. @ Fiamma

    In my book you are hardly a bad guy. You did not do anything wrong. Anything but.

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  546. Fiamma,

    You need to stay…I’ve always enjoyed your comments because it provided another perspective… all the different voices on here is what makes this blog interesting.

    As I said, I do understand the big deal of plagiarizing and was not making light of it…and like I told Bulanik, I’m cool if the information comes from somewhere else, as long as quotation marks placed are around it to let me that it’s sourced information.. but I believe Bulanik was coming from a good place and was genuine in her Intent.

    I know it’s hard to Not take things personally sometimes but we all have to remember, this is the Internet… we don’t affect each others lives in the real world…this is suppose to be place to come to “get away” without having to use spend money or gas.

    I wish you would reconsider and Stay!

    we have lost too many valuable voices already…such as DeepChocalate and Jorbia…we need to have dissenting points of view because we are all coming from different places in life..

    how will we to learn from each other if people can’t accept the good, bad and the ugly every once in a while.

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  547. Come on now Legion, there are plenty of other Bridges closer to you than Brooklyn 🙂

    Yes, as crazy as that sounds, sometimes DeepChocolate actually had some interesting things to say…

    I didn’t say she was nice — she was abrasive as H’ll and rubbed people the wrong way, but if you sweep aside the acid dripping from some of her words, she made some relevant points.

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  548. @ Mary

    Thank you for your comment. You really are are doll, you know. Not to call you out or anything, but a recent comment of yours where you say, “Please don’t judge me” struck me to my heart. I found it very touching and genuine,

    @ abagond

    Thank you for your comment.

    I’ve never been ‘popular’ here and it seems that popularity is more important than anything else. Honesty doesn’t count for much. I and my foibles (mostly which took the form of attacks on racist trolls) were there for everyone to see. I never denied them or backed away from them. I try to be as forthright as possible — as much as an anonymous internet persona can be, anyway. Folks tend to like what makes them feel good even if it’s disingenuous. Scheming, plotting, ingratiating and manipulating are tactics of those who feel weak / powerless. I’ve tried to live my as straightforward as I possibly can as a Black American woman. ‘Sneaky’ is a despicable trait as far as I’m concerned, it is however, A-OK to some, as long as they find pleasure in the person pulling it off. (To all the snobs here who think they’re so smart: get yourselves in check. You’ve been duped and it wasn’t by me.)

    Abagond, as a long-term follower of your blog, I’ll still read it; I just won’t comment. I want others to feel comfortable with the status quo, even if it’s in the face of deceit.

    My apologies to those who were unduly shook up by the acknowledgement of the ongoing deceit from a much admired commenter; you can now carry on as you were. I’m over and out.

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  549. Ahhh, I just read your post, Linda. Thank you so much.

    I thought I’d entered the Twilight Zone where no matter the circumstances, I was going to be paintedas the evil troll who lied on the Fairy Princess.

    Again, thank you, so much, Linda. 😀

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  550. @ Fiamma

    This thing will blow over soon. After it shakes out please reconsider returning.

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  551. You’re welcome, Fiamma

    I would never hold it against you, you stated how you felt — I’ll be honest, I don’t know and didn’t want to know what started the argument (I’m battle weary — so many small battles on this blog) but I know that you are a straight up commenter and I don’t believe either you or Bulanik had malicious intent.

    I don’t want to see either of you go, so like I said, I hope you reconsider.

    and for the record, it takes a Lot to offend me …I’m too old and jaded to give a s’it… I’m like a duck, I let things roll off and keep on walking but I will stop for a good fight every once in awhile to keep my claws in good condition.

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  552. @Kiwi,
    I remember when that Model Minority Stereotype was started and promoted in the late 1980s. I always thought it was sick and perverted. Most Asian American “activist” groups condemn it, but some other groups (Republican Asian-American committee groups) do like to show the other Republicans how they buy into the Model Minority Stereotype (my Aunt was involved with them in the 80s – 90s in DC) – I joined her some time and met Bob Dole when he was running for president, as well as Elaine Chao when she was Deputy Secretary of Transportation and before she became Secretary of Labor. But the theme was often about how Asian Americans are not like Blacks and Hispanics — they do not need affirmative action quotas and how they get ahead like they are supposed – through education. White Republicans ate up that Model Minority Stereotype right up.

    In any case, the Model Minority Stereotype was one invented by white people, and just as dangerous as any of the black stereotypes they dream up and promote (coon, welfare queen, brute or criminal, etc.)

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  553. Legion, I just saw your comment. Thank you. I only wish there were more men like you where I live. Please post more. You have a lot to offer here. Au revoir ~ Fiamma.

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  554. Fiamma, the bad air you may sence about this is really due to my fanning the flames, like I said my cyber blip has no choice, its obligated to behave in cyber internet survival protocals, and Im so sorry you got caught up in this, but as your on going valuable testimony once again demonstrates, its not just a couple of posts , and as you said, some people have been duped……

    You also hit the nail on the head by identifying attitudes about Americans, and I jumped on this because Ive been perceiving this and noting malicious behaviour for a couple of years now, aas well as being called a stalker…Im not sure if she called you that…but you know if she did,,but I noted the malicious behaviour towards you

    But , beleive me, the cold winds coming down the pike are less directed at you but because of my deep issues reguarding this subject , and i apologise to you for any bad feelings you are getting, although lack of support for you from the beggining, except for Abagond, then Legion kicked in, was noted

    But there is some deep ideology conflicts underneath this, and , Im frankly tired of being in the company of people that we are clashing this greatly and I cant use the appropriate language I would like to…Im accostomed to international blog disscusions I can curse..which the lack of on here leaves too many frogs in my throat

    Because I know Im pushing the issue , and against the grain on here, because I dont like the uptight attitudes I saw on the bootie dancing threads , Im more than happy to make a trade off…if that really is the problem….but , I actualy feell. your testimony of your awareness of many other plagiarisma by the same person, indicates something much bigger

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  555. @BR:

    “Its not you or your fantastic blog, I just dont like keeping company with people who describe passistas as “bootie wiggling, propositioning coitus” ” over sexualised” and try to tie in Baile funk with child prostitution, and where malicious deceptive behaviour is accepted because a person apears to be ideologicly hooked up…Im very disalusioned with the side of the left that accepts lies , half truths , hypocracies where they scream bloody murder at the USA but wont utter a peep at the other side…or even try to champion Fidel or Che…underneath the supposed squables are serious ideological battles going on…and I absolutly hate the right wingers…but im very disapointed in the left wing that is getting uptight and more uptight as time goes by”

    I am going to answer this one since you once did accuse me, out of blue by the way, of championing Che and Fidel.😀

    What you should BR is grow up and act your age. You make some valid points here but you ruin it by acting at times like a cry baby. If we are debating something over here, having a heated discussion here, lets have it, but drop that “I am insulted here” tune. I think if we are grown ups we can have a debate, we can even disagree, even argue loudly, but to act like “My feelings have been hurt” is ridicilous.

    I understand you are patriotic guy and good for you, so am I, but like so many americans have said: Isn’t it the true american way to be critical about your government?? Since when it became american to be non-critical? If anything, USA and its history, the greatest things in it, have been brought by those individuals and thinkers who have been critics of those in power. The best in USA has been brought by rebels and people who have not obeyed and toed the line.

    “But there is some deep ideology conflicts underneath this”

    Of course there are. You are an old right wing guy with old school attitudes and I, for example, am from The Left, as you put it. So? There can not be discussion?? No debate? We all should sing hymns of praisal over here?? We all should agree and march on the same beat?? Like in North Korea?? Hell no…

    “your testimony of your awareness of many other plagiarisma by the same person, indicates something much bigger”

    I understand that you may be old enough to be grown up during the McCarthy years but this? C’mon. “something much bigger”. Ho Hoo. Induendoes, suggestions, hints… That is ridicilous, man. What that “bigger” could be? Invasion of the Body Snatchers perhaps?? International communist conspiracy?? Perhaps FARC??

    I won’t get into that Bulanik-BR-Fiamma show here but I think people should really chill out, keep calm and think about few things. People should really grow up.

    This is a blog about racism, which is very relevant thing. This is a blog which is highly critical of USA, its racist culture and system. I think if you are looking for a “patriotic” forum, there are those too, but as I have understud this is anotherkind of patriotism over here, like the one those had who signed the constitution of USA. They were, after all, revolutionaires and freethinkers, who opposed the powerful and mighty. It is a kind of patriotism which Martin Luther King showed. All those radicals. All those guys who have gone against the main stream and powerful politicians. What is wrong with that??

    I’ve said time and time again that I love the country, I love its culture, music, food, the people, but does that mean that I have to be silent and non critical about the wrongs? Hell no. I am not silent in my own country either. I have publicly accused our government to be organized crime in the guest editorial of the largest daily news paper. Actually it is the largest in the Nordic countries by its circulation. But that does not mean I hate my counrty. I just do not like what my government is doing.

    @all:

    This is not just in here. It is all over the place. People these days tend to act like little kids. They behave like kids. Their feelings get hurt and they go berserk. It is used in USA, in Europe and elsewhere too. It is used in all sorts of media and on the streets, in cyber space and real life. It is the culture of “getting hurt”. It is one way to control and shut down debate. “You are hurting me bu hu huu”, “You are insulting me bu huhu huu”. “You insult my country/religion/music/clothes/hair/pants/food/height/politics/car” etc.

    Islamists use this very effectively. Anything critical is condemned because its insulting against their religioin, supposedly. Bush government used the same method. Many people use it too. It is “either you are with us or against us” mentality. It is a way to terrorise the others to obidience. It is one form of bullying. Just like a kid throws a tandrum, grown ups can do the same. That is what I see here sometimes. I think its funny, irritating but funny.

    Now Abagond knows I do not sign at all all of his opinions and policies. He knows I am highly critical of any religion or church. I have had some of my comments deleted for one reason of other. But so what? This is his blog. He can do it anytime he wants. I don’t throw a tandrum over those. I’m not demanding to know why he did it. It is his blog.

    I have have been accused and shouted at, this and that, over here during the years I have been commenting here. That is what happens sometimes. If you have anything relevant to say, some people get offended by it. That is natural. Sometimes it happens. If you disagree with me, go a head. I salute your comment. I may not like, I may disagree with it, I might get even angry, but I do not want to shut anyone down or bully them out. Like some one once said: I may not agree with your opinions, but I am ready to die for your right to express them.

    You can get mad at the issues, policies, opinions, you can use colorful expressions and words, all that is ok. But when people, who ever they are, start to act like little children whose icecream cone dropped to the ground, I find that extremely funny and ridicilous. Irritating but funny.

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  556. Sam , you are a prime example, and you did it on bootie dancing thread various times , of twisting my words to the opisite meanings and then belittle me. I used to think you really doidnt get what I was saying , now I know its your deceitful puposeful tactic

    You tried to make it like I equat bootie dancing with sexuality but it is you who called propositioning for coitus…right above you actualy acuse me of being right wing…that is really sick on your part, I have stated catigoricly I am not and only highlights how you are the one who tries to bully people, especialy by attacking their charactor, into lock step and twist their words…that is really low leval on your part

    When I have absolutly made you look like a fool, like on the Hugo Chavez thread, just bringing in truth and facts, that I have learned from actutly living and following these affairs in South America, and you just belittle me, and you have the nerve to call me juvunile…your posts can be the longest as boring as anyone

    I have brought as much criticism against racism in the USA, and Brazil, as you, how utterly pompaus and arragont to imply I havent…and that I am right wing, I have pointed out dirt the USA has done in South America, but this lie you just put out is so typical of your style in here

    You are actualy a great example of the uptight left Im talking about , instead of a left really looking at the issues that matter, you are uptight about naked bootie dancing wiggling their butts propositioning coitus, and sitting around in your European cofee houses just saying everything about the USA is bad and try to rewrite history…oh but you love books and music….I love Cuban music , too….your psyche is so see throughable

    And you have the nerve tosay grow up? You are like the bully who if you dont lock step to their ideas, you go belittle them when your ideas get absolutly slauhtered

    No I dont want to have anything to do with your kind of uptight,thinking, like shaved genitilia equals pre pubesence…I like to get away from people who think like that

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  557. What people really dont understand is that the serious anti Americans, the ones who find that everything the USA is doing now is wrong, who are trying to rewrite history like how we got into World War 2 and the atom bombs, and everything after that as equal to the worst things in all history, they look for anti racist blogs as an entry point to run their dogmad one sided drek ideology on Americans…no Im not saying they are communists or islamic terrorists.

    I live in a place that has Anti Americanism up th wazoo, grade A,B,C,and D varieties..I see the average people brainwashed in beleiving lies are the truth, I see people making America the big boogey man intheir lives , unable to look at their own faults in the mirror, and I smell the stank quafing the air from a long ways away

    What people dont remember is, back in the 60’s, the communists tried to infiltrate the Black Civil Rights Movement, and to thr credit of most of the black leaders, they didnt buy into it.I saw this go down, they also tried to enter the labor movement in America, and were severly put down

    Again, Im not saying anyone now is a communist, Im saying that it is just a logical tactic for someone who hates and resents the USA government, that they try to have a diolouge with Americans about it by entering an anti racist American blog…yes, they may actualy be anti racist, which is a good thing to be, but in the discissions, out come one sided , dogmad half triths, distorted facts and looks at the cold war, and constant bashing and put downs about American policy…you can smell them because they absolutly have nothing good to say about America in the cold war…its all negative half truths and lies

    Ann, the Vietnamese was a great example of someone who could look at what happened in tne Viet Nam war, not be supportave of USA policy, but give the truth about the way it was, with facts, not Sam’s cookie cutter story

    Americans dont really know how to defend themselves from this, they are either the gung ho “America is number one, and fights for democracy”, or they are like deer in the headlights and dont really know the dirt the USA has done but also have no idea of the absolute horror that happened in communist countries, and they dont go to a country in South America to see how the people in the cold war were assisanting people, kidnapping, robbing banks and setting off bombs, really wanted a Che revolution, I have seen interviews with some of them who stated absolutly that

    I thank god for the education I have gotten in South America, how anti Americanism works, it has developed my nose in a really special way

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  558. @ All…concerning the… “… Bulanik-BR-Fiamma …& Abagond show …”

    As I view it… Its a shame that things should have to be portrayed in this way. But this is the reality people seem to have chosen to act out in. Certainly it doesn’t have to be this way.

    But then there are Egos involved. And any time Egos are involved we can all be guaranteed a spectacular and entertaining show!

    Good indications of the display of the Ego mentality are declarations of offers to “fight it out ” or “withdraw from the battle (debate)” . Of course this is the only reputable way Egos can remain in tact. Any other way would show weakness or defeat – a loss of carefully constructed reputation.

    So my comments are directed to all the main protagonists listed above here…

    Is it just possible…., just conceivable that any one of you could have unknowingly misinterpreted this situation? Things are not always what they seem or are perceived to be. Certainly in my experience and particularly when we are having cross-ethinic/cultural, social global cyber-media exchanges.

    Much of the bad “feeling” and “emotion” generated from this show stems from what people perceive to be the intent or motivation of the other person. But do you really know what this is or was for sure?

    Maybe you do… maybe you don’t ….

    I do have to ask this question though: Does it really matter that much? Is it really that important to you?

    Consider this….

    In the GREATER context of the creative participation, engagement, and contribution of socially excluded peoples experiencing being part of a global communal enterprise gained from association to a welcoming shared internet space….

    – Which is a bit more than just being “…part of a coffee klatch…”

    If your answer is still YES!….It really is that important to you. Then you have made an obvious choice as to what you believe is more important to you in your life. And you will be bound to act this out accordingly…

    I personally believe the Ego is highly overrated…but that is just my own opinion…

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  559. The whole thing about Che and you Sam, is when I pointed out Che was a racist, you called me a liar…I then brought in the facts that proved he was, and when I said Cuba still has racism, you objected and I brought in a proof that many black leaders around the world had signed a document that said Cuba under Fidel’s system still purpetuated racism, Fidel, now get this I didnt say Fidel was a raging racist, im saying communism doent address racism, and it is in affect in Cuba right now…Che is a racist, his statements definitly implicate him,no matter what ( anyone who wants to debate the recent article in Huff post about a schill for Castro and Fidel sais about it, bring it in and Ill rip it to shreds, bottom line being, if Fox news can finaly get this information, its just public reality, only a fool would debate otherwise)

    But you never acknowledged that it was the truth, never admited you were a fool for calling me a liar, no, its on to the next half triths and lies, because after all, the truth doesnt matter in your ideolicgical tragectory, only any dirt and charactor bashing and stating dogma and lies to win

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  560. @Fiamma & Bulainik, I wish you guys would truly reconsider being commenters. I will really miss you. Please think about it.

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  561. @BR:

    There you go again, man. You really think this blog about making somebody “look fool”??😀

    If a grown man lives in a foreign land and calls it Candy Shop, praises exposed buttocks and goes on and on and on and on about exposed buttocks and open sexuality of its women, what I should think? Agree with him? Hell no. In my eyes that guy is sexist westener who sees the local women as exotiq objects, just as in Candy Shop. You said that, not me, and then you go nuts when somebody gives an opinion about that?? Really, grow up.

    ” im saying communism doent address racism”

    Not that I am a communist but you are dead wrong there, buddy. Do you know which party was the first american political party to denounce racism officially in its policies?? No you do not. It was the Communist Party of USA. Funny, huh?😀

    “the truth doesnt matter in your ideolicgical tragectory, only any dirt and charactor bashing and stating dogma and lies to win”

    I mean, really, grow up. This is not an competition. This is or it should be a dialogue, exchange of ideas and point of views. If you do not like what I say, fair enough. You are not winning any medals here, you are not going to be nro 1. Nobody is going declare you a winner of anything. You are just one commenter on this blog. I might have been wrong, mistaken, but a liar… That is pretty steep, dude.

    “if Fox news can finaly get this information, its just public reality, only a fool would debate otherwise”

    Now, this here is part of your problem. You think that Fox News is news. You think Fox News is realiable media. Really, dude, grow up fast. When a right wing republican politician got caught trying to lure young men to have sex with him in public toilets, Fox News showed his picture for days with a capital D and did not mention his party once. They just placed D for democrat on the screen. Just an example. The cartoon show Simpsons has more information in it than Fox News will ever have. And this is pretty common knowledge, not just in USA but around the world.

    I have no idea what makes you tick, but it seems that you have a real trauma about critical thinking. You really buy into this anti-american poop, that there is somekind of international conspiracy against USA across the world and that behind it there are the commies lurking in the shadows. I can tell you honestly that there are no commies left on this planet to threat USA in any way. In reality, behind the cold war propaganda, there were not enough even back then.

    But I find it really interesting that a man of your age and supposed experience with other cultures is so narrow minded and paranoid that he really thinks there is a large looming conspiracy against USA somewhere and that I, for one, or Kwamla, could be a part of it somehow. That is very interesting phenomena psychologically and politically.

    I understand that you might feel offended, but if you bring up the wonder of nude buttocks, wonder of the shaking buttocks, wonder of the open sexuality, and keep on going about it comment after comment, surely you know that some one will disagree with that?? When you claim time and time again that a black brazilian woman does not know as much about black brazilian culture as you do, surely you must realise that some one might challenge that claim??

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  562. @ Legion, Happy Memorial Day.

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  563. @ To All, Happy Memorial Day.

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  564. Ha , Legion, a couple of things, like your honest words to Fiamma are refreshing, this ram rodding of her into some box of me her and Bulanik is very telling, and I know you like Bulanik, but arnt playing that game…yeah, I am being stuborn and confrontational, but, Fiamma isnt being like that

    Sam , this referance to Ana , again, after I explained it,is getting boring and tired, I said I know about Afro Bahian drum dance, you are twisting my words again, its a nasty trick you do all the time and Im calling you on it, it is pure b s

    I have great conceptual disagreements with Brazilian musicians , who just havent had the experiances I have with the top players in Rio or Recife, are you implying I cant disagree with them? Or I cant disagree with her? You sure disagree with me about America…I do back my disagreement with her up, with mad experiance

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  565. @ Legion

    We all have Egos. Lets just say its a typical human quality.

    One Ego will tend to feel challenged or threatened in the presence of another perceived superior one. It will want to belittle or marginalise the other Ego.

    Which Ego is most representative of you here Legion?

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  566. @ Legion, You are right that. Most people just barbeque and drink alcohol. But honoring our fallen soldiers is the real reason for this day. Thanks for sharing the other information that’s something to think about.

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  567. @ Legion, I hope things are getting better for you.

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  568. “BR,
    I am still offering Bulanik if she wants to come back, Ill leave to not constrain her , as long as no one mentions my name or bashes my posts”

    Linda says,

    BR, GTFOH with that Bullsh’t! are you serious!

    You ain’t in the position to offer, sh’t…. either you go or you stay…

    if you stay, EXPECT to be challenged if you say something someone disagrees with…you are just like the rest of us… you are not special.

    I thought this bullsh’t was done with but here you are all by yourself making it the “just me, BR show”

    drop it already, d’mn

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  569. @ Bulanik & Fiamma

    I do not wish to comment on the plagiarism issues and I myself don’t know the whole story, but I would like to say I enjoy reading posts from the both of you. I will be sorry to see you leave, but understand if you do. Whatever you choose, I wish you both all the best.

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  570. I wanted to add these author to the fold for young readers re: African-American writers. We are enjoying several: Christopher Paul Curtis ( books-Bud Not Buddy, Elijah of Buxton: really lively stories) and Mildred D. Taylor (The Land, Let the Circle Be Unbroken-the Logan family- extraordinary read!)

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  571. on Wed 29 May 2013 at 05:44:34 mstoogood4yall

    I’m not even surprised at this smh. this country is messed up. This is a reason to not give your money away and cook your own meals.

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  572. There is a scandal here in Toronto where the mayor was filmed smoking crack! I haven’t stopped laughing for days!!!! Here is a comical video!

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gypGP2g2lxs&feature=share_email)

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  573. @ Legion; About the five toys that will never be sold again. ‘”Wow”,Nice. That is really disturbing. Misogynist play things. That was pretty interesting.

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  574. @ Herneith; How did your case go? Did everything work out? Curious to know the outcome.

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  575. Thanks Mary. My case is going to a full hearing.

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  576. @Herneith; That’s good to hear. I will be thinking about you in my meditation and prayer time.

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  577. @lifelearner; Those are excellent titles for the young ones. It’s good you read with your young ones.

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  578. @ Legion

    It’s très très, not trés trés…😉

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  579. “è” as in “pen”, not “é” as in… Hey ? Bébé ? Cliché. Yeah, Cliché.

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  580. What, Bulanik is leaving, too ?
    Linda, you cracked me up above ^^

    Bulanik, please don’t leave. Thanks.

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  581. Humm, I didn’t realize the Big Raleur was around here too…

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  582. @ Cornlia

    And you can only find “é” at the end of a syllable, never in the middle or beginning.

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  583. In regards to the issue between Bulanik and Fiamma, the solution could have been simpler. Both could simply refuse to address each other or mention the other in any form, rather than not sharing ideas at all or ever again. When somebody doesn’t like what I say, I don’t give a **** what they think. I just like being honest. Abagond follows this rule very well, too. If everybody followed the precedent set by Bulanik and Fiamma, Abagond would have no blog, and we wouldn’t even be here. Would anyone like that? No.

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  584. Sorry for killing the humor Legion.

    That’s because I’m a teacher. Bah.
    😉

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  585. @ Mary Burrell

    Thanks. I’m cautiously optimistic, one has to be raising AA children in the USA. Whatever I can do to make their futures bright. We will do it. Reading has done it me.🙂

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  586. ^^*for*

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  587. *kiss*

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  588. Peanut, all four at once…. Ouch. My brother looked like a squirrel when he had the same… Do you look okay ?

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  589. @ Peanut

    Yikes! I’m glad I only have one wisdom tooth.

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  590. @ Peanut

    Get well!

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  591. Oi, looks like I’ve been missing out on a lot of drama and discussion. Hope you all didn’t miss me and my useless commentary too much.😉

    Eep, sorry to hear about the wisdom teeth, Peanut. I had to get the upper two removed, so I can sympathize with how unpleasant that experience is (though clearly it was a bit lesser in comparison).

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  592. tehnoun, Welcome. I’ve missed you.

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  593. With the crazy pizza debacle in Sanford and the Cheerio’s commercial featuring the interracial family racism still continues to rear it’s ugly head.

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  594. The criteria for PTSD are being changed, which means PTSD should be diagnosed in those who have suffered racism. If you’d like to read the article, here’s the link:

    http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/15855/20130523/dsm5-racism-racial-trauma-post-traumatic-stress-disorder.htm

    Although I have suffered some extreme racism for someone of my generation and background, I don’t think I have PTSD. However, it was eye-opening to read the symptoms of generalised anxiety disorder. I do wonder if the constant racism I faced growing up contributed to the anxiety I suffer from today.

    Does anyone else feel the racism they’ve experienced has led to problems or even a disorder?

    @ Peanut

    Hope you’re feeling better soon. At least it seems they didn’t give you painkillers that made you really ill! I had that when I got mine out and it wasn’t fun!

    @ tehnoun

    Welcome back.

    @ mary burrell

    I wasn’t surprised with the pizza thing. I regularly read about servers naming customers on receipts and cups as `lady ch*nky eyes’ and `ching chong’, so wasn’t all that shocking to hear some other guy likes to make fun of Black people.

    The Cheerios thing, though… Although I’m not part Black, it was nice to finally see a family similar to mine. A family shown as perfectly normal. The little girl is adorable. It’s sad that so many people have a problem with her and the family portrayed. Just goes to show that all those people who claim inter-racial marriage and mixed children will `cure racism’ don’t know what they’re talking about.

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  595. In one of threads I commented in, I mentioned a project I organized in my school in 2010, before the Soccer World Cup in South Africa. I was looking for info on the net to help my friend Shaqir who came to do the workshops at our school then but lost his job as a tour guide in Cape Town in between (after the World Cup was over). He needed a letter of recommendation and I wanted to find links to articles that were made during his stay at my school.

    While looking for the articles I came across this, which I think some of you might be interested to watch. That’s from when he still had his job as a Tour Guide.

    In the second, he talks about the period of slavery and Apartheid.

    Enjoy.

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  596. Abagond,

    I have a suggestion for a future post. I have been thinking a lot of the song “Stoned Soul Picnic” and i can’t figure out which version i like best–the 5th Dimension one or the Laura Nyro one.

    And besides that–i could never piece together the meaning of the lyrics.

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  597. @ Legion

    Good question. I need to sort that out.

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  598. @ satanforce

    Thanks for the heads up!

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  599. Chinese in Africa from Al-Jazeera. Check it out.

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz0bhb5m3pQ&feature=player_embedded)

    @ Herneith; How did your case go? Did everything work out? Curious to know the outcome.

    WHAT CASE!!!????

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  600. I wonder what it is that they call “muffins”, because it sure isn’t American type muffin. Fish and rice in Senegal is this:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=thiébou+dieune+recette&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=PJuwUaGYL4zE4AOi0oCADw&ved=0CEUQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=780

    The “national dish” you can say.

    Interesting video.

    One big difference between the Chinese and the Europeans in their attitude with Africa: they learn the languages (in Cameroon too I was told). The Europeans imposed theirs.

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  601. After watching that video I don’t really see a great deal of difference between the Europeans and the Chinese approach to colonisation. Both are exploiting the poorer countries economies for their own ends and not putting anything back in.

    How is any of what China is doing going to benefit African economies in the long term?

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  602. I really do not want to sound polemical on this but an honest comparison is necessary.

    Religion is not involved.
    The military is not involved.
    Languages (cultures) are not imposed.

    They are “doing business”, also striving to give their children a better life.

    The French (that’s who I know best about) in Africa NEVER acted the way the Chinese do. They never, for instance, lived in the same districts and did business in the same places. They came to impose their way of life, their vision of things, in addition to so-called business (which was not business but pure exploitation). Here I see Chinese people working, not imposing work on others for their benefit.

    It may change (maybe it has already), but so far this is what I have heard about the Chinese in Africa (from Africans themselves).

    Plus, the “flooding” of Chinese goods is world-wide, not just in Africa, it *seems* to me.

    If the African states concerned with doing business with the Chinese want them to stop coming, they can impose stricter visa/emigration rules. But they need the Chinese and other countries to do business with them.

    Gbagbo in Ivory Coast was taken away from power because he was doing just that (that’s not the “official” story of course, which says he supported “massacres”): giving markets to the Chinese, the Brazilians and a few others that the French used to dominate completely. He paid the hard price for it.

    Senegal is a country were “trade” is part of the culture. Senegalese people are excellent tradesmen (and spend a lot of time talking, bargaining, enquiring about how your family is doing, are never on time, etc… as the woman pointed to, but not in a scornful manner, I found, contrary to the way a typical French person there would).
    I’m not really worried about them and the Chinese. I would be more worried about the increasing “buying” of Senegal by the United Arab Emirates people (especially the coasts), who are also “selling” their version of Islam, which is absolutely not the same as the Senegalese’s who are extremely pious in general.

    It really makes me laugh when I hear and read westerners and the French in particular “complaining” about China in Africa ! Really ? Can we talk about Niger and Mali and Cameroon and the rest ? The so-called “Françafrique”…

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  603. I hadn’t looked at the second of the video yet.

    Wade offering the “KEY TO THE GATE” to the Chinese president ? I guess the Chinese don’t have to colonize much, right ? Ultra-liberalism does the job. The Chinese are basically playing the capitalist game as it is “supposed” to be played.
    “Yellow commerce” ? Oh my…

    What the Senegalese man says is wrongly translated. It reads as if the Chinese came and intruded in the district to do trade, but what I hear is that Senegalese small trade people came in the district where there are “more than 100 Chinese shops” (and not 200, but yes, it’s roughly the same) and got settled with their ambulatory commerce in front of the shops (which is what they also explain in the first part of the video) and that created tensions, because the Senegalese set up their commerce while blocking the Chinese’s view, basically.
    Also, he says there were tensions “between residents”, which not the same as what the translation says.

    This happens all over Africa, where small trade people settle on the sidewalks and regularly literally get kicked out by police, because “they tarnish the image of the district”…

    The word “crise” is translated by a whole sentence that includes “local problems”, to point to and emphasize the problems “between people”.

    Accusing the Chinese of producing “bad quality” is the usual refrain, everywhere around the world… But no one says why it is so. The Chinese can produce very good quality… if they are asked to. The specifications they get from foreign demand is not quality, it’s cheapness. Period.

    The Chinese (the people) are doing what can help them live, like everyone else, they are not doing it “on purpose” to destroy others’ economies.

    If we want to accuse someone here, it’s the international institutions like the World Bank and the IMF we should target. They are the ones promoting this type of economy.

    Anyway, very soon Africa will participate, because it is going to be where work is gonna be cheapest. Even Bengladesh is starting to be deemed “too expensive” !!

    Again, Senegal is a very small country, so it’s not easy for them. It’s even worse when your president hands the “key” willingly !

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  604. http://www.bdlive.co.za/world/africa/2013/03/13/africa-warned-of-china-exploitation
    The Chinese are buying raw goods, minerals , and not buying manufactured goods. The same thing is happening in Brazil , and, they dump cheap goods back on the market, the Chinese bikinis are horrible..but , in my state, they talk about manufacturing shoes and selling them to USA markets

    Even on Lincoln Rd , the first two shops are huge stores full of cheap Chineses made clothes that break easily.

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  605. The Chinese make most of their things (I don’t the exact vocabulary) on order under specifications from mostly Western firms.

    If they made only “cheap” stuff that break and don’t work, Apple (for instance, but you also have GE, Alstom, and basically everyone making stuff there) wouldn’t have factories there. I guess.

    About this video, it is interesting to notice that what some the Senegalese interviewed say about the Chinese migrants is the same as what some of the French say about Senegalese migrants in France. Peoples are precipitated against each other for the good of those who don’t live there and don’t work there. It’s apparently good for business…

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  606. florida? personally i’d say panama city

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  607. KW a trip too just park your little boat from who knows where like it’s a 92 mustang at the curb

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  608. Ed Snowden – traitor or patriot?

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  609. @ Legion

    I figure this is the best place to address this. I lost my temper with DKB for a few different reasons not all aimed at him. I guess I am getting annoyed with the whining, the your not black enough rhetoric, blacks are weak, seeking white approval arguments etc. My list could go on but I will stop there. It is disheartening to read that the dividing agent are actual people who I presume to be black.

    I have to step back from that because those type of people I really consider a bit too extreme for my taste.

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  610. @mstoogood4yall: I saw that on her blog urban bush babes. Those cowards. And the cops dragging their asses. And not trying to pursue the perpetrators of this crime. This is just so shameful. The cops are not doing their jobs.

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  611. it is the typewriter of the illiterate that is the issue at hand

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  612. @ Peanut

    I am here. What is it?

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  613. @ Peanut

    “do my comments go overboard sometimes?? I feel like I take over threads sometimes”

    That stuff never bothered B.R. or Thad. Don’t worry about it.

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  614. Sadly–i think it is time for Madiba’s family to just let him go.

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  615. eh… up on tumblr, for some reason, trying to provide a more unified policy statement platform, up on sotomeyor too is he black or a dominican or something? that is something else…

    -tc

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  616. anybody? befor i ask sotomeyor, thomas if he’s black?

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  617. ooh a black woman is coming to see me right now it takes a real man… call me aliar or something

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  618. @ hoebeprunelle; Do you mean Mandella. He is up in age. I am always thinking I will turn on the television or set or goggle news and see the news of his passing. We shall see. He’s quite ill.

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  619. OOPs, @ Phoebepruenell: Sorry Sister my computer is acting crazy.

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  620. Jefe: About Ed Snowden. The whistleblower I don’t know. Maybe it’s good he is informing us about what’s going on. I am on the fence about him.

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  621. OK that video of Emmy Lou Harris and those other women singing that “Lullaby” that King posted above on Mon 11 of Feb 2013 at 3:48:15

    Is CREEPY AS HELL!

    Watch them sing it and listen closely to the lyrics which sound incredibly incestuous/pedophilic.

    Here is the altered version of the lyrics:

    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    Your momma’s gone away and your daddy’s gonna stay
    Didn’t leave nobody, but the baby

    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    Everybody’s gone in the cotton and the corn
    Didn’t leave nobody, but the baby

    You’re a sweet little baby (you’re a sweet little baby)
    You’re a sweet little baby (you’re a sweet little baby)
    Honey and the rock and the sugar don’t stop
    Gonna bring a bottle to the baby

    Don’t you weep pretty baby (don’t you weep pretty baby)
    Don’t you weep pretty baby (don’t you weep pretty baby)
    She’s long gone with her red shoes on
    Gonna need another lovin’ baby

    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    You and me and the devil makes three
    Don’t need no other lovin’ baby

    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    Go to sleep you little baby (go to sleep you little baby)
    Come and lay your bones on the alabaster stones and be my ever lovin’ baby

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  622. @ Why: Did you see the movie O Brother Where Art Thou? They sang that song in the film.

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  623. It has some dark and somewhat disturbing lyrics.

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  624. I saw a clip of it and thought it was creepy as hell then too.

    Really bizarre song.

    “Honey and the rock and the sugar don’t stop
    Gonna bring a bottle to the baby…

    You and me and the devil makes three
    Don’t need no other lovin’ baby….

    Come and lay your bones on the alabaster stones and be my ever lovin’ baby”

    What the heck?!

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  625. @Mary, yes–i am talking about Mandela..

    I think he has been ready to go for a long time now, but he can’t because his family is not ready.

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  626. @phoebeprunelle: I agree with you.

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  627. @ Peanut

    “do my comments go overboard sometimes?? I feel like I take over threads sometimes”—No they are not. It is good you are more open about commenting. Believe it or not your comments often times mimic my own thoughts. I am not as eloquent as you and it is nice that you are open about speaking as to not only get your voice out but mine as well (in a sense).

    In other news:

    I have as of today decided to go natural. I have been wanting to take this jump for sometime now and today I will just do it. I am so excited.

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  628. Big Chop. A part of me wants to shave my head down and begin again.

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  629. on Sat 15 Jun 2013 at 01:17:17 Mstoogood4yall

    @ sharina

    Congrats. I’m transitioning right now I’m 4 months post. Good luck with whatever u choose if its the big chop or not. I plan to transition then do a little chop lol, but I do trim my ends almost every month. here’s a website for tips on transitioning http://napturallycurly.com/transitioning-from-relaxed-to-natural-hair/dos-and-donts-of-transitioning/

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  630. on Sat 15 Jun 2013 at 01:22:30 Mstoogood4yall

    here’s some vids on this website for styles after the big chop http://www.curlynikki.com/2010/03/looking-feminine-after-big-chop.html

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  631. @ Peanut and Mstoogood4yall

    Thanks. So far I am trying out the products mentioned on urbanbushbabes.com, but I am open to any suggestions you have.

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  632. on Sat 15 Jun 2013 at 02:24:29 Mstoogood4yall

    @ sharina

    It took me a while to find products that work for my hair and i’m still learning. I like to use beemine hair products, they kinda expensive but for my dry hair it is a must. I also heard kinky curly not today is good but haven’t tried it myself. best of luck to u and ur hair.

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  633. this should be interesting!

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  634. Kiwi

    @ jefe

    Holy hell, your life really calls into question the Model Minority stereotype. Growing up, I always had the impression that Asians had been accepted through their education, money (ignoring higher living costs), and hard work. Turns out it’s just a lie by conservatives to pat themselves on the back for being “liberal” while continuing to practice racism against blacks, Hispanics, and even Asians.

    Interestingly, Most Asian-American voters have become Democrat since 2000. I wonder if the socio-political scene will become more hostile for Asians now that the Republicans know that Asian-Americans by and large don’t buy into their model minority myth anymore. My parents are Republican, now uncommon among Asians, and I think that is a huge symptom of their belief in the model minority myth. My theory is that because the stereotype is not applied to blacks or Hispanics, they have always been overwhelmingly Democrat (since the 60s). For the same reason, Asians used to be Republican, and I think the main reason was their thinking they had been accepted into the mainstream. Yes, I do believe America’s government leans right and is dominated by racist conservatives, like Abagond said.
    _________________________________

    I think the reason they voted Republican at the time, or still, is because the Repubs always talk about lowering taxes, which I don’t know if they actually do or not. But they seem to promise that a lot.

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  635. @ Abagond: HAPPY FATHER”S DAY.

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  636. on Sun 16 Jun 2013 at 15:05:44 Mstoogood4yall

    Happy fathers day to all the fathers past future and present. Happy father’s day to you abagond.

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  637. on Sun 16 Jun 2013 at 15:08:31 Mstoogood4yall

    @ Peanut

    dam, it seems every holiday u wish abagond get laid lol. Oh well I guess if I ain’t getting none somebody else might as well. I guess besides the food that is the next best thing.

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  638. @ Peanut, Mary, Ms Good

    Thanks!

    @ American fathers

    Happy Father’s Day.

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  639. “being a “good girl,” in school and college has gotten me nowhere…”

    *******

    Actually, being WISE and keeping your legs closed has gotten you a LOT – though you may be presently too naive to fully realize your *blessings.*

    Things that are worthwhile are seldom easy. Good luck with your interview!

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  640. @ Peanut

    I agree with Matari: you are probably too young to see it now, but you are avoiding tons of terrible choices.

    Good luck on your interview!

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  641. on Tue 18 Jun 2013 at 19:07:55 Mstoogood4yall

    @ peanut

    “like a week or so before my period I always get so frisky

    I do too, but i’m also get annoyed at everything. peanut I know its hard to wait, I know i’m younger than u, but I look at ppl who didn’t and they sometimes wish they had. I get confused too, I see shows where ppl waited until marriage and couldn’t have sex , or they have sex and realize their partner isn’t compatible sexually. A part of me wants to wait because i’d avoid all the baggage that comes with sex, the other part of me is like what if I wait till marriage and what if my man has a low sex drive and don’t know what he doin. Or what if I never get married. I guess I shouldn’t worry about it now because i’m young and live with my parents lol. when I move out I don’t know what I’d do lol

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  642. on Wed 19 Jun 2013 at 00:05:25 Mstoogood4yall

    ^ girl u don’t have to worry about pleasing him or not, u make him wait long enough and I bet he wouldn’t care he’d be excited to be getting any. I think its easier for men to get pleasure than women, because women have to be hella stimulated and have the right spots *touched,stroked whatever the fk they call it lol, Whereas men don’t I don’t think. I don’t know

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  643. Good luck Peanut… and for what it’s worth, I’m with Matari and Abagond. It’s not your age, it’s your circumstance. You won’t be sorry if you wait for the right one.

    Legion, how have you been keeping?

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  644. Legion

    “I don’t know what you mean by “sort out”. You’ve explained, in the past, how mass comment deletion is done. Something about each comment is attached to the user’s email address, that’s the anchor or marker you use and then you just delete all there comments upon request. It is simple, if you are at your computer, isn’t it?”

    Right, I go by email address.

    In most cases deletion is simple. In Bulanik’s case she had over 3,000 comments. WordPress is not set up to remove them all in one swipe. You can only delete 20 comments at a time. And even when I did all that, there are STILL some of her comments left, which I am currently tracking down.

    Also, in her case, she was one of the main commenter on many threads. Removing her comments makes those threads much harder to follow. So, as a moderator I did not WANT to delete them. I was hoping things would shake out differently and she would change her mind, so I held off for a while. I also wanted to look into the plagiarism thing before I “destroyed the evidence”.

    Every now and then a commenter will ask me to wipe out all their comments. I do not like doing it – it is like taking an ice pick to my blog – but I will do it.

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  645. @ abagond

    I really need to read your comment policy. I keep using moderated words and I accidentally embedded a video where I shouldn’t have. Sorry. I will educate myself. Just the Comment Policy has rules and info, right?

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  646. @ Kiwi

    Right. It has the basics. I need to update it. Also, in order to catch trolls, I do not make all moderated words public.

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/comment-policy/

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  647. @ All those who consoled me about my father’s situation and sent prayers his way

    I want to thank you again and let you know he may be on the way up. He had a chance meeting with a fellow immigrant who wanted to hire him. He now has a job that pays enough he doesn’t have to work three of them. It may also mean that I do not have to wait another two years before I see my parents again. I am nervous and excited, but still feel afraid to allow myself to be happy as so many good things have either been snatched away from him or have turned sour. I’m scared I will curse the whole thing if I smile about it.

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  648. on Sat 22 Jun 2013 at 01:46:47 V.a.g.a.b.o.n.d_A.b.s.c.o.n.d

    Let’s try my name this way and see if it gets through moderation…

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  649. on Sat 22 Jun 2013 at 01:52:06 V.a.g.a.b.o.n.d

    Maybe I will just go by this from now on.

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  650. on Sat 22 Jun 2013 at 02:03:57 V.a.g.a.b.o.n.d

    Testing a new avatar…

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  651. @Iris: I am still think and praying for you.

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  652. @ Legion: How are you this evening Sir? I hope you are doing better.

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  653. Iris,

    Congrats to your father… hope it all works out for the Best.

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  654. Hmmm., a strategy

    1. Go to a website whose views I oppose
    2. Pretend to be a supporter of those views
    3. Purposely fill comments section with plagiarized views (as I have no original views on the matter )
    4. Create another account that is personality that opposes me.
    5.Use the new personality demonstrate that the old personality is a plagiarist
    6. Request to have ALL 3000 of post deleted, thus neutering the comment section, and robbing important discussions of their context
    7. Profit.

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  655. Southern fried food doyenne Paula Deen was fired by the Food Network. Well I knew that was coming, I knew she was apologize profusely and swear she was not a racist. Blah,blah, blah. When I heard about this I was a little disappointed I thought she was a little better than this. But I am not surprised. She is a woman of a certain age from the deep south, so this type of mindset is ingrained in her. Maybe she will take some type of sensitivity training. Maybe she truly is sorry form her insensitive racist remarks. The George Zimmerman trial is getting ready to start. I will be plugged into that. God only knows the outcome of that. And because I am so plugged into pop culture. Kim Kardashian and Kanye have named their precious little bundle North. “Wow”. They named their child after a direction. Oh well, that’s Kim and Kanye for you. Happy Summer Solitice to everyone.

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  656. Dang, *I knew she would apologize profusely*

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  657. @ mary burrell

    I haven’t really read the story but just heard about it briefly on the radio. Do you know how long ago was it that she dropped the n-word. Was this relatively recent?

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  658. @ King: I heard about this last year I want to say. Because she was being sued. I put it to the back of my mind. When I first heard of her the law suit I thought it was just a disgruntled employee. But since it came back into the news this week and she admitted to using the offensive word. But tell me something KIng, If Black people continue to use this offensive word and whites use it. Black people get offended. Here’s a thought call me crazy,But why continue to get offended. This is just crazy to me. It is never OK. I don’t care about the spelling. That is just so ignorant to me. Trying to explain why it’s Ok. We need to have a funeral for this and many other words in our jargon. That’s just my two cents.

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  659. I am interested in the Bill Duke documentary “Dark Girls being aired on OWN Network on Sunday.

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  660. I have never heard of Sargent Willie Pete before,I knew about this Tommy Sotomayor character. Where does this hatred for black women come from? Do these men feel this way about their own mothers and grandmothers aunts, and other black women in their families? I wonder about LIL Wayne and all the other rappers who spew their black woman hating misogynistic filth. Just sad. I pray for my people daily. I understand other cultures hating us, but when the hatred is in our own community I am truly sad.

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  661. “But tell me something KIng, If Black people continue to use this offensive word and whites use it. Black people get offended. Here’s a thought call me crazy,But why continue to get offended.”

    Whereas, I get that there may be some difference in context of use, I still agree with you 100% that EVERYBODY should stop using it, regardless of race. The self-justifyigng Orwellian doublespeak needs to stop in the Black community about the word. There is NO good reason for using it.

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  662. @Mary–

    the anti-Black women rhetoric has been online for the past 15 years now. I was in high school when i first encountered it on collegeclub.com (a site no longer in existence)…

    1.I believe a lot of it is coming from whites pretending to be Black men
    2. Those who are in fact Black men like Sotomayor is being paid to do it
    3.Sgt. Wille Pete is IMO fishing for Black booty that he wouldn’t ordinarily get being a mixed race guy–basically trying to guilt trip Black women into giving him some
    4. it is part of the Manosphere philosophy–men who are considered below the Beta male who blame life’s problems (e.g. lack of getting female attention because they are socially awkward) onto Black women..

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  663. Peanut,
    “Just like the Black man went to vegan meet up to get with the white woman”

    – Where in the world did you get the idea he “went to a vegan meet-up”?!

    ” Kim Kardashian and Kanye have named their precious little bundle North. “Wow”. They named their child after a direction.”

    – Her name will be North West. 😉

    PS: I don’t know who Paula Deen is, but I don’t think anyone should get fired from their job for anything they say off clocked-in hours. If they say it during clocked-in hours, or on a TV show, that’s different. But on their own time? Nah.

    Freedom of speech.

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  664. Hmm…… Manosphere, I never heard of this term until one commenter brought it up. So this explains this ant-black woman rhetoric madness. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Sotomayor and his ilk are being paid by white people. I guess White supremacy is alive and well. It all makes sense now.

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  665. @phoebeprunelle: Thanx for the enlightenment. Anti-black woman rhetoric, manosphere. New internet terms for me to learn.

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  666. @ phobeprunell: It makes sense that these would be white men on the internet doing this.

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  667. The White branch of the Manosphere is not attacking Black women, they are attacking White women and advising men to “go their own way” and be celibate – that’s the MGTOW branch of the Manosphere, OR to ex-pat to Asia or South America, sometimes even Africa, to find a wife who has not been what they call “brainwashed by Feminism”.

    The Black branch of the Manosphere are the ones who are attacking Black women.

    Basically they are all a bunch of men who hate Feminism and the fact that women are now allowed to choose our own course in life.

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  668. @ Why: Well whoever it is black men or whitemen,it’s all effed up.

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  669. @Mary

    Well whoever it is black men or whitemen,it’s all effed up.

    And that’s the point!

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  670. @ phobeprunell: It makes sense that these would be white men on the internet doing this.

    It certainly is more plausible for whites who have everything to win if Black men and Black women offline perceive their is an actual “gender war” between us.

    I say whites because it is not wise to exclude white women from this mix. . .some have created entire personal web pages lecturing to Black women about why they are better mates for Black men.

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  671. “well you mentioned that he met her and she was a vegan but forgive me not having what you said word for word as it was taken down, but you do get the point that he could have LEFT his neighborhood to meet a Black woman, that was the point”

    Actually – no, and no.

    She was not a vegan. He was the one that claimed to be vegan when she informed him that she was a lacto-vegetarian.

    He did leave his neighborhood to find Black women. He even left his country and went to Canada and Latin American to meet them!

    Again, things did not work out. A few of those women had kids. A few of those women didn’t like him as much as he liked them, and a few he didn’t like so much.

    Like I said, it seems to be a jungle out there in the dating world. People say its very hard to meet someone who has all of your requirements. And if you do meet someone who makes the grade, there is no guarantee they will be as equally interested in you as you are them. In fact, it is likely they may not be.

    Either people are too picky or what – I don’t know. But it seems to be very difficult for like-minded individuals to be mutually attracted to one another, fall in love, and get married these days.

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  672. Abagond,

    Thank you for creating this type of blog format. In all of my years online I haven’t seen a blog or even a message board quite like it. I’m sure your efforts are appreciated by many even if at first it doesn’t seem all that apparent.

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  673. He did leave his neighborhood to find Black women. He even left his country and went to Canada and Latin American to meet them!

    – – –

    Yeah, but you failed to mention that is your original post on the topic. What you did mention was something to the effect that all the Black women in his neighborhood were either too young, too unattractive, were lesbians or that they already had children….

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  674. “Yeah, but you failed to mention that is your original post on the topic. What you did mention was something to the effect that all the Black women in his neighborhood were either too young, too unattractive, were lesbians or that they already had children…”

    I also mentioned the black women who were not interested in him for anything serious because he was not up to their level educationally or socio-economically.

    I also mentioned his first choice has always been black women and he has never found white women to be particularly attractive.

    The women he is with now is suffering from an inferiority complex because she knows this.

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  675. Guys, I hope you don’t mind me ranting about something that’s really been pissing me off lately: the Far Right’s obsession with r/K Selection Theory.

    The story begins with a J. P. Rushton, a racist masquerading as a scientist, and his book: Race, Evolution, and Behavior. Within said text, he makes a link between race, intelligence, and r/K selection. Here’s how it goes:

    Step One, define Jargon poorly: “r selection strategists produce a large amount of offspring with low “parental investment” and rely upon overwhelming competitors with sheer numbers. K selection strategists produce a small amount of offspring with high “parental investment” and rely upon cooperation to beat out competitors.

    Step Two, make a facile connection between r/K and intelligence: “Chimps are smarter than panthers, which are smarter than rabbits, which are smarter than frogs, which are smarter than oysters. Oysters are heavy r selection strategists, Chimps are heavy K selection strategists”

    Step Three, apply Steps One and Two to different Races and profit: “The population of Sub-Saharan Africans and other Mud-people grows faster than the population of Caucasoids. Therefore, they are r strategists while Nordics are K strategists. Consequently, they are less intelligent, more violent, and more promiscuous. In fact, r/K selection explains exactly why all stereotypes are true”

    Oh Far Right wingbats, the only science you can do is bad science.

    Why Step One is done poorly: First of all, “parental investment” is a poor choice of words and makes the wrong implications about terrible mothers and absentee fathers, which have nothing to do with it (Parenting is a learned skill, not genetic or instinctual, especially for more intelligent species. A hand raised Panda won’t know what to do with her little bundle of fur). r/K selection is more closely related to the size of the litter and the time required for offspring to reach adulthood. Secondly, r/K selection has less to do with competition, and more to do with a species’s ecological niche. r strategists tend to be prey species: grass, rodents, insects, and young reptiles. K strategists tend to be predators or large game: whales, wolves, panthers, ungulates. There are exceptions and species which can’t be well defined, which leads me to part three: a species r/K selection strategy is a relative to that of other species. Sub-species tend to use the same strategy, as if humans were sub-species in the first place.

    Why Step Two is Facile in One Word: Cephalopods. There are approximately 800 species in all, and all of them make this connection break into a million pieces. They are all clever little, and not-so-little, creatures that some evolutionary biologist believe will take our place as Earth’s dominant species. They are also heavy r strategist. Females lay hundreds, if not thousands of eggs, but don’t invest in the health and safety of her offspring; she’s too busy being dead. And before some genius says “they are just exceptions”, I retort: 800+ species isn’t just an exception.

    Why Step Three is a Fractal Fail: Firstly, Humans, even the Black ones like myself, have an average litter size of one, and require 18 years to reach sexual maturity (25 years for mental maturity). As far as r/K selection goes, we’re about as K as possible, possibly even more so than humpback whales. Now, can people have several children? Yes, but those children are still, usually, born one at a time and mature at a painfully slow rate, ergo they are still K strategists.

    Secondly, this pseudoscience ignores the economic, technological, and social impetus behind the low population growth rate of “Caucasoids” and the population explosion in Africa. As the West moved away from agriculture and into the industrial age, the carrying capacity increased and the population grew as food became more plentiful and medicine more effective. This fostered the slow transition into a service based, highly skilled economy. This also meant that children go to school for several years before learning the skills so they can support themselves. Unlike before when more children meant more hands to work the field, a large number of children is an economic liability. The invention of easy-to-use contraceptives like latex condoms and The Pill allowed people to have sex without the possibility of a pregnancy. These inventions paved the way for the Sexual Revolution which deconstructed post-Victorian norms of sexual behavior and made the radical claim that sex is fun. Of course, 18+ years of parental responsibility is as far removed from fun as possible, so the result is a society in which “Caucasoids” can have half a dozen sexual partners, but only one or two children. Note that the drive to have sex and reproduce is still the same, if not stronger, hence the porn (which is, concerning biology and r/K selection, all that really matters).

    Africa is only just beginning to experience the advantages of industry and the birth rate is, on average, going down. The population isn’t growing because more babies are being born, but because less people are dying. Even so, many Tropical Africans are still farmer, which incentives having several children, but as the infrastructure improves, and energy becomes more affordably, they will automate the farming process just like the West and China and children will become an economic liability. Unlike the West, contraceptives aren’t readily available or widely used thanks to the influence of the Catholic Church (which, among other things, makes the HIV pandemic worse in Catholic Africa). All of the factors are a recipe for explosive population growth, and since Africa has yet to fully apply industry to its agricultural economy it is nowhere near the carrying capacity. The specter of overpopulation is equally fallacious, assuming we can replace fossil fuels (we probably will, necessity is the mother of invention).

    Just needed this off my chest. Abagond has written plenty of posts busting the myth of supposedly less violent White people.

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  676. I just read Nelson Mandela”s medical condition has gotten worse. I feel the obituaries are coming soon.

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  677. on Sun 23 Jun 2013 at 22:12:04 Mstoogood4yall

    @ mary so what happened to jorbia? I just remember reading some of her comments and it felt like she was always going on about how American women are this and that and where she is from the women are better etc.

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  678. @Mstoogood4yall: There was a back and forth negative commentary between Jorbia and commenter the Alchemist. Jorbia was very angry and felt that Abagond should have stopped from the commentary she used. She was very Angry with Abagond and left as a commenter. I thought she brought a different perspective and some of the things she discussed were what we just got through discussing on the thread. But the tone of her comments were very classist and elitist. Like she was above certain socio-economic people who were not as fortunate as her. She was a bit of a Black snob. Which is the worst to me. If I had a way to be financially stable and successful in life, I would help another sister try to come up. Mentor unwed mothers. But all she did was throw poor black people under the bus, and talk about how ghetto they were. She had her *ish* together she was smart and articulate. I thought that was awesome. But to me it was ugly how she came across. Matari, and Kwamla, tried to tell her this. But she wasn’t having it. She really made some of the brothers angry. I don’t think we all need to be in lock step with our commentary. We all come from different places. But she talked about her white boyfriend and her material successes, which is cool. But she was kind of nasty to me and snobby.

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  679. on Sun 23 Jun 2013 at 22:28:50 Mstoogood4yall

    ^what about deepkchocolate where’d she go

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  680. Mstoogood4yall: Oh Jesus, Don’t conquer up that one. She was angry with Abagond. I think she left.as well.

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  681. on Sun 23 Jun 2013 at 22:39:01 Mstoogood4yall

    ^ lol all these angry women mad at abagond. Oh well at least they left and didn’t have to be banned like churchs lol.

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  682. @ Mstoogood44yall: Actually, Alchemist called Jorbia out on her mess. Go to the Is Obama A Rented Negro thread. It was on that thread you can see what happened.

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  683. I also mentioned his first choice has always been black women and he has never found white women to be particularly attractive.

    If his first choice was a Black woman–then he would have no problem getting with one.

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  684. phoebeprunelle

    I also mentioned his first choice has always been black women and he has never found white women to be particularly attractive.

    If his first choice was a Black woman–then he would have no problem getting with one.
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    The attractve black women over the age of 23 in his neighborhood all had kids. So strike that.

    The ones without kids were unattractive or too young for him. So strike that.

    Outside his neighborhood the Black women he was attracted to were not attracted to him for more than a fling because he did not meet their socio-economic criteria. So strike that.

    Finally he met an attractive Black woman of his same age range who was attracted to him back, but she was in a foreign country. He went to visit her nd turns out she had a kid too. So strike that.

    His problem is that he was basically from the ghetto but was not “ghetto” himself. He did go to college but then got injured and could not finish so no degree.

    That means the single, childless and physically attractive college educated Black women with high paying jobs that he was attracted to saw him as beneath them and hence not long-term relationship material.

    The Black women that DID see him as long-term relationship material had kids.

    He was very active in the New York “intellectual” Afro-centric scene and while there were attractive Black women involved with that – they were either already taken OR they were baby mamas.

    He went after a few only to find that they were Afro-centric lesbians.

    Finally he throw in the towel and figured he’d give it a go with an attractive Afro-centric woman even though she already had a kid, but it didn’t work out because he really doesn’t want to raise some other man’s child.

    Which leads him into my next topic which Abagond deleted the comments about over on the other thread for being “off topic”…..

    BABY MAMAS!!!

    If a man is not your RESPONSIBLE HUSBAND first, then why on earth would you expect him to be a RESPONSIBLE FATHER to your child later?

    Ladies, you are the GATEKEEPERS OF YOUR SACRED WOMBS!

    You must test, and vet, and filter any many who seeks entry to that sacred space.

    When he passes your test and makes it through the filtering process, he is husband material. Next step: MARRIAGE.

    THEN you have the kids.

    Got it?

    This is a tried and true method passed down through countless generations for thousands of years.

    You cannot lay up with any ol’ dude and then expect that he is going to “man up” and take responsibility for the resultant offspring.

    Ain’t gonna happen!

    What you ALSO cannot expect is that some “nice guy” a few years later is going to want to become the “father figure” to another man’s Junior.

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  685. ^Sounds like a bunch of stereotypes about Black women to discredit them.

    You never disclosed your race or sex (at least i don’t think you have) and speaking in second person–well i won’t complete my thought.

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  686. @ phoebeprunelle, I think why is a white woman or a white man. I was curious about that as well.

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  687. Well on seconds thought–i will complete my thought–your rhetoric sounds very familiar, as though i have read it dozens of time on a well known manosphere site. The difference is that save a few words and scenarios, the “logic” is recycled. Not original at all…a hybrid if you will.

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  688. @Mary–if i had to guess, Why is neither.

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  689. @ phoebeprunelle: The reason I say they are white is because of a question about Black history being taught in HBU”s that kind of struck me as odd. My antennae kind of went up. I thought they were Black and got to comfortable with them. Although, this blog is for everyone. I am feeling some kind of way about talking about black culture issues with whites. I just feel that way. Because I never know their agenda.

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  690. on Mon 24 Jun 2013 at 00:32:03 Mstoogood4yall

    ^ yeah I wondered that too. I thought she was a ww for a sec but most ww on here don’t say things about bw and wm being together and calling out what ww do. Then at the same time she also said some things that ww say when we discuss racism, she pulled out the ole white women deal with xyz. So idk what she is she could be biracial for all I know or Asian or even black.

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  691. phoebeprunelle

    Well on seconds thought–i will complete my thought–your rhetoric sounds very familiar, as though i have read it dozens of time on a well known manosphere site. The difference is that save a few words and scenarios, the “logic” is recycled. Not original at all…a hybrid if you will.
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    No, its not an original piece. Its one mans’ experience. One that he said was common in the area he grew up.

    He’s stuck between a rock and a hard place because most of his brothers and cousins are “baby daddies” (but not husbands). He and his sister were two out of the bunch that consciously chose not to go down that route and both of them are without “equal” partners today.

    Logic it would have it that he should just “man up” and marry a baby mama and logic would have it that his sister should just accept her lot in life and become a baby mama.

    They both broke out of that cycle. Not in small part due to their (single) mothers (married) aunt who practically raised them along with her husband, to provide those two with a model of a functional family life.

    The other siblings weren’t so lucky and they stayed the course with their single mother and they ended up becoming single parents themselves.

    Original story? Hardly.

    Its quite common in this country and pretty much even culturally accepted these days.

    I don’t accept it. I find it all shameful. Extremely shameful.

    Its not an exclusive “Black story” either.

    The out of wedlock birthrate amongst White and Latino Americans is too damn high also.

    Seems the Asians are the only ones with some dignity and sense of family left.

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  692. @ Why

    “Seems the Asians are the only ones with some dignity and sense of family left.”—I would agree with that except I know some Asians that are single parents.

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  693. Furthermore It seems you find it too easy to pinpoint the lifestyle of groups based on what you believe or those darn stats but….guess what? each individuals is just that an individuals, so i would not be so quick as to say what all or most Asians do. Or any other ethnic group for that matter.

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  694. “I would agree with that except I know some Asians that are single parents.”

    Oh, so do I. But their numbers are considerably less.

    In fact, I just did a quick review in my mind and at least 50% of all the parents I know (and I know a lot of parents), are in fact, single parents! They are either divorced or never-married single parents.

    Can you believe that?! At least 50%?!?!

    And my social circles span all the socio-economic classes in this country, minus the celebrity class, of course.

    I want to get to the bottom of this.

    Why is single parenting so prevalent and so accepted as “normal” in this country?

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  695. I’m sticking to what i am saying–i have read that tired storyline dozens of times on the internet.

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  696. My 2 Cents

    i heard brazil was racist they had a music video mockin dark skin women. like alot of other countries with dark skin ppl they treat them different and worship lighter skin. i was shocked to learn blacks weren;t the only ones that deal with light vs dark skin issues.i sometimes see posts where cubans and other light skin latinos will say harsh things about brazilians,dominicans,and puerto ricans.
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    Colorism is also very prevalant in the South Asian communities as well.

    Fair & Lovely and Fair & Handsome skin lightening creams are huge sellers.

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  697. @ Sharina, Those are wise words. I had to learn this from the Asians are a Model Minority stereotype thread. I got enlightened.

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  698. @ Why?

    I have to wonder…do you ever think that some single mothers were actually married and then divorced? Left with kids and a father who chose not to participate or a father who was killed in war or some random accident.

    Not all women are single mothers because they laid up with some dude and is stuck being a single mother. My mother was not some loose woman who laid up with random men and because of her bad choice ended up raising us single. My mother married my father. They divorced and he was nothing more than a in and out contribution to our lives. So save that bs for the birds.

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  699. phoebeprunelle

    I’m sticking to what i am saying–i have read that tired storyline dozens of times on the internet.
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    Well if you’re reading North American blogs I wouldn’t doubt it! The United States “American culture” does not shame single parenting and hence we have an epidemic of it here.

    What’s worse – these single parents are dating, and thus subjecting their children to all sorts of possible harm and psychological issues.

    In this country, the parents’ sense of “freedom” is more important than the child’s own safety.

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  700. @ Why?
    And you know their numbers are less based on what? Your experience or are you going to enlighten me on how you know all these people in the USA or world. You can guesstimate on your experience but your experience is not going to give an accurate telling of what is going on in the entire USA.

    This is what becomes annoying for me when people who believe that because they know these amount of people they have the all know of the world.

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  701. Sharina

    @ Why?

    I have to wonder…do you ever think that some single mothers were actually married and then divorced? Left with kids and a father who chose not to participate or a father who was killed in war or some random accident.
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    Widows are an entirely different category. In the case of many widows, a loving and responsible husband and father is mourned by this wife and children. While this is traumatizing it does not have the negative long term effects of not knowing who you father is or knowing who your father is but not having him involved in your life because he doesn’t care or your mother is keeping you from him.

    Divorce? That is also extremely problematic. Why is the US divorce rate so damn high? Why can’t couples get along? Or why can’t they stay married for the sake of the kids (provided no one is being abused)?

    I want to get to the bottom of why the family unit is disintegrating in this country.

    I feel sorry of the kids.

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  702. @mary burrell

    To be honest I recently came to that discovery myself.

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  703. on Mon 24 Jun 2013 at 01:02:34 Mstoogood4yall

    Yall see this crazy white man on discovery channel about to try to cross the grand canyon on a tightrope without a harness live smh.

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  704. @ Why?

    You assume that the kids would be old enough to mourn their dead father or know him. With war mothers sometimes give birth to kids with the father already dead.

    As for the single mom syndrome you mentioned not all women go out to get pregnant. Some actually fall into the .1% of failed birth control. I had two kids with my husband while on birth control, so that is one issue. Broken condoms are another and then the fear of telling a parent they are even having sex to get birth control is another. It is shamed to some extent but it is also a matter of what can you do about it now. In my family and child out of wedlock was a complete shame and you were reminded of it, but they loved that child no less.

    Moving on to divorce. Most people that I know are not willing to work it out with a cheating spouse. The trust is gone and it not easy to get back. Some people just grow apart and while we all feel sorry for the children. It would be worse, IMO, if a child grows up seeing a loveless marriage and confuse it with love. Then they marry and end up divorce because they don’t know how to love.

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  705. Damn Why, you don’t get it. I’m not in agreement with you.

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  706. @ Mstoogood4yall

    LOL. I hope he can swim or atleast have good life insurance.

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  707. @ Mstoogood4yall, You are talking about Nik Wallenda. from the Wallenda family. They are daredevils. I think he is the only one.

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  708. @ Mstoogood4yall, * I meant to say he is the only one living*

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  709. on Mon 24 Jun 2013 at 01:22:28 Mstoogood4yall

    @ mary and sharina

    lol yea he better have good insurance. I wouldn’t be able to allow my man to do something like that i’d be mad. I’d be like u want to do this crazy ish now after I married u and had your kids , naw yo u shoulda got this ish outta your system before I met u. And if u die i’ll be mad at u for taking this unnecessary risk, its one thing to die in an accident its another to die doing some bat crazy ish.

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  710. Mstoogood4yall, The bat ish crazy is in his blood. He is from the Flying Wallenda family. They have been performing for several decades. I think he is trying to perform this same stunt that killed his greatgrand father.

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  711. on Mon 24 Jun 2013 at 01:31:19 Mstoogood4yall

    dark girls comes on in 30 minutes can’t wait I just hope they did a good job.

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  712. on Mon 24 Jun 2013 at 01:34:04 Mstoogood4yall

    this guy need to hurry up and get on that rope I don’t have all day to watch this, hopefully its over before dark girls come on

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  713. Mstoogood4yall: Are you watching the Oprah special with Viola Davis, Gabrielle Union,Phylicia Rashaa, It’s really good.

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  714. on Mon 24 Jun 2013 at 01:37:38 Mstoogood4yall

    ^ I am now didn’t know this was on

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  715. Mstoogood4yall, Are you hearing what Gabrielle Union is saying about body images?

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  716. on Mon 24 Jun 2013 at 01:57:58 Mstoogood4yall

    ^ yep its a shame and ms viola davis is beautiful and I love the way she tells it like it is, she looks stunning for to say she is 48 she look 30 ish

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  717. on Mon 24 Jun 2013 at 02:02:40 Mstoogood4yall

    mary u watching dark girls. that is sad that cute girl said she don’t like when ppl call her black and thinks she’s not black. I can’t help but wonder what her parents are teaching her if anything at all. doggone shame

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  718. I can’t believe Kelly Rowland recently opened up and said that she didn’t like her skin color. She is so beautiful! I think she is much prettier than Beyoncé. It is a shame that many dark skin girls grow up not liking their skin color. I know because I was one of them. I didn’t like my skin color for years because I lived in a biased and racist area where White girls are considered the best. Black girls were considered too dark and ugly.

    I seem to have too much issues, lol

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  719. on Mon 24 Jun 2013 at 02:15:23 Mstoogood4yall

    * are u watching dark girls adeen on own network? it is sad that we as black ppl do this to each other, dark skin is beautiful. I can’t stand to see these women and young girls being sad like this because of other ppls ignorance that look like them. Its like we have no safe haven not even in our own community smh.

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  720. @ Mstoogood4yall, Did you see it. Is this sad or what? God help our people. We are truly sick. Our people need healing.

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  721. Is “Dark Girls” on cable?

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  722. OK. I see it’s on OWN.

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  723. @ Adeen, Kelly Rowland is beautiful. I have a cousin who said he would push Beyoncé out of the way to get to her. Adeen, you are going through teen age angst. This is only temporary. Soon you will be !8. You should be focusing on where you want to attend college. Thinking about your new life as a college student. These things are just phases. You are going to be fine.

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  724. on Mon 24 Jun 2013 at 02:20:33 Mstoogood4yall

    Yes mary I’m watching it is very sad im about to cry. I can’t stand seeing ppl hurt. we overcame all this stuff only to be dealing with hate from our own. mlk wanted ppl to not be judged by their skin color but the content of their character and now black ppl are judging each other based on skin tone. I feel so sad for the ones who don’t have a strong sense of self

    Idk fiamma its on oprahs network I have directv idk about cable.

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  725. phoebe,
    “Damn Why, you don’t get it. I’m not in agreement with you.”

    Ask me if I care.

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  726. @ Mstoogood4yall, It is painful. That little one is so beautiful. I hope her mommy tells her how pretty she is. She is such a beautiful child.

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  727. Sharina:
    “You assume that the kids would be old enough to mourn their dead father or know him. With war mothers sometimes give birth to kids with the father already dead.”

    – You don’t get it, do you? A widow is worlds away from a “baby mama”. She’s also worlds away from a frivolous divorcee, a frivorcee.

    It has to do with character, and that bleeds over into the example of parenting skills we provide our children with.

    “As for the single mom syndrome you mentioned not all women go out to get pregnant. Some actually fall into the .1% of failed birth control.”

    – Yeah! .1% fall into that category. The exception always proves the rule.

    ” I had two kids with my husband while on birth control, so that is one issue.”

    – You had an actual HUSBAND. That is the issue!

    “Broken condoms are another and then the fear of telling a parent they are even having sex to get birth control is another.

    – Teenagers should not be having sex.

    “It is shamed to some extent”

    – As it should be.

    “In my family and child out of wedlock was a complete shame”

    – Good!

    “and you were reminded of it”

    – Even better!

    ” but they loved that child no less.”

    Of course. Children cannot be held responsible for the mess their parents are.

    “Moving on to divorce. Most people that I know are not willing to work it out with a cheating spouse. The trust is gone and it not easy to get back. ”

    – That’s certainly understandable. However I do feel that if they have children then they should make a long and sustained effort at working though that. If they don’t have kids then sure, go on and divorce, its perfectly justified under that circumstance.

    “Some people just grow apart”

    – That’s pretty much nonsense. I count that excuse under the “frivalous divorce” category. Frivorce.

    “and while we all feel sorry for the children. It would be worse, IMO, if a child grows up seeing a loveless marriage and confuse it with love.”

    – I disagree with that.

    In fact, there was some study done that showed couples who “fell out of love” but stayed together for the sake of the kids, their kids turned out ok and grateful that their parents stayed the course. Though there were no demonstratable romantic affections displayed in front of the children, the children grew up with a strong sense of family and security.

    Kids require stability and calm. They do not require seeing their parents cuddling up together on the couch, though that’s a nice icing on top of the stability cake. What’s important is the cake batter.

    And lets not forget that “love” is a verb. One develops loving feelings by doing loving things.

    A few years into a marriage all the dopamine and other feel good chemicals that make one feel high and “in love” wear off. What one is left with is the daily grind of life, the routine, the banal.

    Its at this point that many couples “fall out of love” or “grow apart”.

    Its at this point that they have to work on their marriage by consciously doing loving things.

    Besides, for thousands of years people did not marry for “love” alone or even at all. And even if some married for love, love is not what kept them together. Marriage was seen as a duty to family, community, tribe, society.

    Its an institution all of its own and has a much bigger purpose than just what passes for “love” in today’s world, which is more often than not simply LUST.

    Stay the course with your spouse through thick and thin, then we can talk about real love.

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  728. on Mon 24 Jun 2013 at 02:43:13 Mstoogood4yall

    @ mary

    my mom came in my room and saw what I was watching and told me about how when she was younger she tried to scrub her skin and no kids would be her friend and the friends she got were because her older sister was a little lighter and would introduce her to her friends. She thought this colorism was over, sadly it is worse

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  729. Dark people need to get a hold of the media and proclaim, “the darker the berry, the sweeter the juice!” and walk with their heads held high and when asked from where do they get their extreme self confidence, respond, “from my lusciously melanated smooth chocolate skin!”

    Even if they don’t feel it, they need to express that. Feelings follow actions.

    Like I said above “love is a verb”!

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  730. @ Why

    I don’t think you get it but I think you are quick to come off at the mouth with out a clue of what you have to say. You my dear are the one the brought up single parent home. You did not specify the different types of single paren