On this thread nothing is off topic, though the rest of the comment policy still applies. If you want to say something off topic, this is the place to do it.
PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY EMBEDDED VIDEOS ON THIS THREAD!!
I allowed that at first but then within a month the thread became very slow and tended to crash my browser. Unfortunately WordPress now autoembeds YouTube videos. To defeat this put the YouTube link in parentheses, like this:
Can someone direct me to a link showing the most accurate/popular version of the Electric Slide.
One of my children is involved in dancing and has asked about this.
Ta very much in advance
LikeLike
abagond what were your experiences growing up, were you the token black guyat school, like me or were most of your experinces later on in life?
LikeLike
@ Proud:
I got the masthead image from here:
and then in WordPress I did Appearance->Header.
For the “Stop Censorship” ribbon I did Settings->Stop SOPA/PIPA and it was one of the choices on that page.
LikeLike
“Red Tails” was disappointing in more ways than one.
LikeLike
Hey Abagond, some folks from Slate did a review of the Red Tails movie. It contains spoilers, but the points are really interesting…and don’t sound too promising:
http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2012/01/a-red-tail-in-the-ointment/
LikeLike
Wow, at this rate my expectations will be so low I might wind up liking it!
LikeLike
@ Bulanik
Do you remember what you did? There might be a bad link somewhere or something.
LikeLike
Red Tails wasn’t “that” bad. It was just too squeaky clean with dull characters. My expectations going in weren’t too high, because I went in remembering that it’s a LucasArts film (…yeah), that was (co?)written by Aaron McGruder. What’s both telling and predictable is that there are many (white no doubt) critics who found it “unrealistic” because it depicted black people who weren’t connected with the crap on BET, or anything else urban.
LikeLike
There was a review in the Toronto Star about this movie. I was intertested in perhaps attending a matinee show for half price until I came upon this paragraph:
To the credit of director Anthony Hemingway, and also screenwriters John Ridley and Aaron McGruder, the film doesn’t seek to demonize whites, just as it also freely depicts the fears and flaws of the blacks.
http://www.toronto.com/article/710635
Isn’t McGruder the one who writes that cartoon with the self hating loon, uncle Buzzerd or what ever his name is? Maybe McGruder isn’t that different from uncle Buzzerd! Based upon the above paragraph I will not be seeing a white washed version of history. I am sick and tired of it.
LikeLike
@ Herneith
You are thinking of Uncle Ruckus:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/04/09/uncle-ruckus-on-tiger-woods/
It is the same McGruder.
LikeLike
That appears to be set in Nairobi.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Personally, I can take or leave Ceee Lo Green but my kids like him so I generally get to hear him. I confess that at times its my children that keep me in touch with up to date music. If I had my way I would be listening to CD’s from yesteryear all the time which is extremely boring and surprising for someone like me who lurves me music. The only thing I can attribute it to is that current popular music seems to be all very generic at the moment – maybe i’m not listening with ‘open ears’ though.
Mr Maxwell makes music melt in the mind…smooth 🙂
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Re Joyce Carol Vincent.
This is tragic and shocking, particularly in this day and age. At first I was expecting to read about an individual that had fallen on hard times i.e. money, drugs, – the cycle basically, and the downward spiral but this wasnt the case.
This was a beautiful, intelligent and seemingly vibrant individual who fell off the radar and lay dead for 3 years with no definitive answer as to the cause of death.
I was surprised that there was not more input from the family – the reporter seems to speculate a lot about the interaction with the family and others in hindsight now notice that she barely/rarely mentioned her family so i’m wondering if there is something amiss here.
I’m not sure whether or not this is a talking point in the UK – I certainly didnt know about it but shall try to raise awareness in my own little way.
What are your thoughts Bulanik?
LikeLike
Re: Joyce Vincent – how much part do you think race (directly and indirectly) had to do with her outcome?
Hmmm. I really dont know Bulanik. The information gleaned about her is so scant that I couldnt say either way. You say that this story is too close for comfort so – hopefully this will encourage people who feel that they are in a similar position to put a contingency plan in place to ensure that their fate does not go undiscovered for so long like poor Joyce. Do you think race was a signficant contributing factor in this?
I am dismayed that those who maintained they ‘knew’ her in hindsight really didnt ‘know’ her at all. Was she hiding something about herself?? Most definately but, was it sinister or her own insecurities that caused her to do this, I guess we may never know.
LikeLike
Re Red Tails
I’m not a film buff and tend to hear about movies via word of mouth. I havent read or heard anything about this and I certainly dont know the history but I will check out – the same with the Danny Glover film about Haiti.
BTW, thanks for trying to look for the Electric Slide for me and thank you for the links. I will look up this Mr Van Hunt – certain parts of the song put me in mind of riffs from Lenny Kravitz. LOL at the condom ad – thought the song by boy band BLUE in the background was an unusal choice.
Meanwhile, may I leave you with a couple of classics…
(http://youtu.be/J0Kllwz0Pnc)
and this advert puts me in mind in of moguls and their promotion of rubbish not just in terms of music but in their influence in many areas of media…
(http://youtu.be/uDEJpqljvIc)
LikeLike
I saw it. I am writing my post on it…
LikeLike
My latest post in the “How to write about black women ” section is not showing up, not even as a moderated comment. Have I been banned, or something up with the comments section?
I have been able to post on other WordPress forums, as recently as a few minutes ago.
LikeLike
@ Satanforce:
My spam filter saw it as spam, probably because of the links.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Firstly, the report said that she was living in ‘safe’ accommodation given to her as a battered woman. Anyone who qualifies for that provision has to really need it.
I don’t have any inside knowledge about domestic violence, but it’s clear that in order to gain support like this, a woman – or man – who is abused by their partner have to be perceived as innocent victims who suffered at the hands of particularly deviant men (or physically violent women).
This struck me and kept niggling at the back of my mind but I wasnt sure why until now. If, as is stated, she was in ‘safe’ accommodation, there would have been someone assigned to check on her surely? What on earth happened in this situation? Someone who has to flee and go undercover so to speak, would be working with some kind of ‘case worker’ who presumably would have had a duty of care for Joyce. I can understand how one or two days might pass without any contact but this woman lay undiscovered for 3 years!!!!
I saw no mention in the article of how or why she came to be in this type of accommodation – I can only assume there was credence to the type of accommodation she was given but, having said this, in my own experience, my first ‘housing’ experience was a flat which housed many people with mental health issues – I can be a ‘crazy cow’ but of course, this is no official diagnosis
🙂
Secondly, she may have had a shaky sense of identity. Her mother was Indian. How a mixed-race person perceives and defines themselves is a very personal thing – opinions and experience vary so much.
In England, most mixed race people have one white parent and one black parent. They can refer to each other. They can see each other all the time. In contrast, there are very, very few who are of South Asian and African mixture. Joyce’s Asian family may not have ‘owned’ her, and her black family may have been ambivalent, at best.
Who knows, she may have been bullied and shamed about her Indian-ness by black people AND white people, despicably ignored by both as well as being excluded by other Indian people?
True, its possible that she may have not had a strong sense of identity but it seems that of the people that came forward as her ‘friends’ and those who were alluded to in the article, that she would have been surrounded by a diverse and multi ethnic group of individuals. London is supposedly the melting pot of the UK so whilst her ‘mix’ may not have been common, would this have been deemed different enough to make her feel alienated to that degree? I take on board what you say about family though as this is where we want/need crave acceptance. Having said that, I have a friend with the same ethnic mix and whilst her parents empowered her as a woman, there was NO grounding for her in terms of her ethnic identity. The result is she is ambivalent about who she is and knows that she is identified as ‘black’ but this doesnt sit comfortably with her as she knows next to nothing about even her own family heritage on the ‘black’ side of the family and for her formative years, there was little interaction on the part of the Asian side of the family who never forgave her dad for marrying a black woman as black people were slaves and beneath them!!! She has a daughter now with a wM and I can see that there will be a struggle going forward as to how she will expose that child to their own unique personal identity.
In fact, I was interested in everybody but never particularly, or interested in white people in a special way at all. I don’t know why. This is despite, or because of, having a fairly good understanding of white supremacy from a young age. I haven’t figured that one yet, Demerera
Over exposure perhaps 🙂 . I wonder if it depends on your influences? My beautiful mother is such a strong and powerful woman and has a profound pride in herself as a BW. It never occurred to me to want to be anything else and I guess in truth, mum and her friends made the idea of being anything other than BW sound less than appealing. I dont mean to say they ran WW down – certainly my mum felt that there was no competition as far as she was concerned 😉
Saying that, I grew up on a council estate and it was quite a mixture of classes and races of people – posh but down on their luck and the not very well ,off but mostly, single parent families. I know some of the women were seen as quite formidable but at times, black and white used to mix and in all honesty I never experienced racism on my estate. Its when we used to go up the road to access the park at the other estate (homeowners, predominantly white) that was where the real nastiness took place.
I dont think you should dwell on this point too much – I do unfortunately think Bulanik that it is overkill and from very young we are forced to think that it is primarily ‘white’ that matters. When you dont ‘fit’ this group either from self/their exclusion, you begin to realise that there is such a rich and diverse world out there and that there are more versions and layers to life than you could possibly learn by studying one particular race of people….
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Your part-Asian, part-African friend sounds like she did not have the benefit of parents who taught her pride in both sides of her heritage.
You are right. I have met both on several occasions and felt that they were trying to ‘escape’ from who they were in some ways, whilst knowing that they couldn’t in others.
Do you think your friend ever felt a sense of being ‘limited’ as being defined by others as black only?
I certainly think she felt restricted and that being labelled ‘black’ was discomfiting as she experienced racism and estrangement from her peers who knew she was ‘some kind of black’ but not a ‘black’ they were familiar with.
Did people who barely knew ever insist on telling who and what she was?
Yes, and from what I gather in the worst possible way. Considering she held the belief that her father should be considered ‘white’ despite the fact he clearly was not.
Did she find some black people were hostile to her for being different – and did they ever attempt to close her down, pretend to ‘pity’ her, or even hate on her – whenever she strove to know and claim her Asian identity? Did they tell her that she thought she was” white” for daring to openly claiming her Asian-ness?
From what she has said she had very little interaction with black people – not even the family on her mothers side. Her interaction with her paternal side was more involved, but even they thought she was ‘different’ from what I can tell as she didnt speak the native tongue and hold the same tradition/religion as they did. She has been told that she acted ‘white’ and initially she seemed to have taken this as a compliment but soon realised that this was the antithesis of what was meant.
I guess this is a prime example of not being black enough for some and not white enough to pass. I used to get the sense she felt burdened by this but, I feel that over the years she has become more relaxed about this.
LikeLike
I will do the post this weekend. And then probably not do any posts next week because the comments will be a nightmare. Brace for impact.
LikeLike
@ Peanut
Wait for the post.
LikeLike
Hi Abagond.
I just learned about this thing called the linguistic category model yesterday in a class called “Intergroup Relations.” I am going to forward you a pdf that you may (or may not) want to check out. Hearing your take could be extremely interesting/informative.
JT
LikeLike
Super! Send it along.
LikeLike
Nice that you pruned your open thread- it took like 5 mins to load (in the 1000s) keep up the good work Abagond 🙂
LikeLike
Abagond, you have anything on the Black Panther Party for Self Defense?
LikeLike
No, I have not done that one yet. The closest thing I have is a post on Fred Hampton:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/09/17/fred-hampton/
LikeLike
@ Bulanik
I have seen her paintings before and that is how I took it.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
I must confess, I’m not really sure how to interpret what she is doing here – she states that the girls in her pictures will ‘have a harder time than she did even when she was a child achieving the kinds of things ‘love’ songs promise’. This does not explain to me why she has chosen to ‘colour’ their faces in such a way.
When I look at these paintings, it makes me think of the way white beauty standards inflicted on black girls and women become internalized.
Yes, I guess you could argue that this is one interpretation and that by giving them this ‘white face facade’ may make them more able to be loved however, she hasnt painted their whole face – its clear that they are still black children so I really dont know.
I am poor at art appreciation though – even when I went to the Louvre in Paris I found myself only looking at pictures from artists that were familiar to me.
Would love to hear how others interpret this though….
LikeLike
@Bunik
Fascinating painting! I like the way the girls are ortraited almost as circusfreak. Not like the had wanted to pay themselves, but were forced to perform as disguised under a mas on the grand stage of life. Very sad, almost confused and uncomfortable loooks on their eyes.
LikeLike
My guess is that these are comments on the racist beauty standards in USA. Why? She did not mask these girls but just painted them partly white, or poorly, as to show that this can not be done, that it is not natural but weird thing. In another words: black girls should be black girls because that way they look more beatiful. And also: you can not force any beauty standard on any one, let alone “white”.
LikeLike
I do love art (vanishing point) and I feel uncomfortable looking at these paintings because it is through a white artist lens and somehow, while the work is very beautiful, I think she also adds in this sort of tourist look into the world of the girls, and honestly, I think the artist also added in what she interprets as tribal or jungle into them. I think artists like to be controversial and these works will get attention. The interpretation of the Clark doll test or white beauty of standard doesn’t ring true in these painting. But that is just my opinion.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
I find it interesting that she used the dwarf as her symbol of the white woman, perfect in morals and as she puts it, “maimed”. Thanks for the additional link.
LikeLike
Also, I think that herstatement mainly discusses the dwarf, it’s all about the dwarf and not much about racism is discussed, so I am left confused by her intentions.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Are the good and the beautiful more loved, and deserving and easier to love?
I would certainly say that when people are put up on a pedestal and deemed to be the pinnacle of physical perfection that people think that they can do no wrong. Its almost like they are the light and everyone else is dull by contrast and that people cannot stand this to be tainted. Basically, people will forgive anyone anything when the wrongdoer is wrapped in a beautiful package.
Women do measure themselves one another in terms of beauty standards or have aspirations to be like X person, and in itself thats fine, as long as it is not used to put down others if they chose not to be a party to this but alas, this is not the case.
Certainly when I was growing up, WW were always deemed as the most beautiful – I certainly dont recall hearing X BW in the media deemed as pretty or beautiful in fact, like many children of the late 70’s and 80’s you were hard pressed to find BP on the telly!!!!! In fact, the only BW that probably was on a lot at the time was Shirley Bassey who was probably a ‘safe’ bet as she was a mixed race woman with a white mother and she didnt act/talk ethnic so she would not have offended the sensibilities of the predominantly white audience of the time.
Strange though, as I got older and more boys were tentatively embarking on their dating experiences, I sensed that the ‘pretty white girls’ I grew up with were no longer so self assured around black girls as those same girls became women and carried themselves with the same pride and dignity as many of their mothers/peers. They no longer needed the assurance from their white counterparts that they were ‘pretty for a black girl’ nor did they listen to the white boys that had called them names when they were younger. One look in the eyes of the said males, showed you that at times, their words had belied what they really thought about Black girls….
What were your observations growing up?
LikeLike
Hey Abagond,
Is there anyway to ban Thordaddy for spam? It seems beyond reason what he does to the comments section of every post you make. I don’t know maybe i am just impatient/intolerant to his views but i can’t even make sense of what he writes. I have given up trying. Just a thought.
LikeLike
Article on Spike Lee’s Red Hook Summer
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/26/spike-lee-talks-hollywood-racism-new-film-red-hook-summer.html
LikeLike
@Bulanik:
Thank you for introducing this wonderful artist to me! Great technique and a very vibrant color palette. I also appreciate the thought behind it. I see nothing strange about an artist expressing views on other ethnicities or politics or anything else for that matter. It is important to take a stand and support a cause you believe in.
And furthermore, those paintings are immaculately executed. I wish I had that skill and vision.
Bulanik, I’d appreciate if you found some time to point me to other artists you find of interest. If you have the time, that is.
LikeLike
@Bulanik:
Thanks! Fantastic work. So colorful and vibrant and yet so clear. Masterful command of color. I can almost feel the scorching midday sun in a buysy African city. I’d like to post that on my wall… and no, not on my FACEBOOK wall, but my actual wall, lol! 😀
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Very nice indeed, thanks for the info! You seem to be the woman of culture at Abagond’s.
LikeLike
@bulanik: That guy was the winner in the London olympic games 1948 in javelin throw, or silver medalist, forgot which one. Made lot of songs that became almost folks songs. He also was a national movie star. When I came home from US the first song I heard was by this guy. 😀
LikeLike
Tapio was also a world champion in team archery. Not too shabby. He definitely is the ultimate singer-songwriter. A big, athletic guy too.
LikeLike
Do you guys check out the comics at this site? http://173.236.60.18/~herevill/leftycartoons.com/?p=326
LikeLike
@CeCe D:
I’ve been to that site. I like the cartoon you linked.
LikeLike
@Bulanik:
I read the article you linked. I’m not surprised. It all plays into their desire to be seen as good.
LikeLike
Here in sunny England there has been a series of recent high profile racist incidents in football (soccer) involving a black player and a mixed-race player being racially abused by two of their fellow players and one young mixed race player being racially abused by the crowd until he was reduced to tears during the match.
The media coverage of these incidents has been pathetic and the opinions on the radio phone ins have been typically despicable. They described the players who were racially abused as somehow being troublemakers for committing the crime of being racially abused and they attempted to minimize it by describing it as just “banter” and a “misunderstanding” and wheeling out their house Negroes to parrot their lines and suggested the player that complained called Patrice Evra was making it up and portrayed the guy who racially abused him called Suarez as being the victim and some kind of martyr because he was banned for a few games after being found guilty of racist conduct. The mixed race guy called Anton Ferdinand was sent an Air gun bullet through the post by a fan of the other team for committing the crime of being racially abused. Apparently not his first death threat over the incident.
So yesterday the two teams of Evra and Suarez met to play a game and at the start of the game the camera went on the racist who was sitting in the stand because he is banned, playing with his little daughter and the TV commentator purred how cute they looked together and how sweet it was and then back in the studio the host said to an ex-player from Evra’s team “but Evra is no angel himself is he?” to which the player to his credit replied “Evra hasn’t done anything wrong.”
During the game the fans of the club the racist belongs to booed Evra through the whole match every time he touched the ball and he subsequently played badly and made a mistake that led to the winning goal from the other side.
When the other side won the game the camera immediately panned to the racist sitting in the stand with a big smug triumphant smile on his face, like he thought that his team winning somehow vindicated him for his racist behaviour.
Today on the news they have been talking about how the game was played in a good spirit and how the crowd behaved well and only indulged in good natured banter (I guess I must have imagined the booing of Evra all game).
In this sick, wicked, racist country being racially abused is making trouble and being the racist who racially attacks others is being the innocent victim.
LikeLike
@Robert
NB* My football acronyms may be incorrect but hopefully this wont prove too distracting 🙂
Your observations are spot on. Racism and thuggery have unfortuntately gone hand in hand for years in football, though in the case of the former, there certainly have not been any attempts to address this properly at all in the past. In fact, if you werent a football fan you would easily think that racism in the game doesnt exist as there was basically no coverage of this at all. We know that this filters down from the top of the FIFA – that bloke, cant recall his name, old geezer who last year denied there was any racism in football??? Following this many presenters commenting on this story remarked that he was hopelessley out of touch with reality and needed to be replaced.
The state of British football is such that, if they didnt have the international players that they do, the whole of the FA would be in jeopardy as England is just not producing the standard of players that other countries are. There is little to get excited about when the World Cup begins – they rely on the ‘same’ players all the flippin time and they dont appear to learn anything from past experiences. It is embarrasing as a nation who boasts this as National Sport that has been a part of British culture since the 19th Century, that at times they struggle to get into the Semi Finals!!!!!
The players are treated like celebrities and paid an absolute fortune and whilst I revere athletes from all types of sports, there is no incentive for these individuals to do better. IMO they should bring in a bit of a strategy to ensure that players work to their full potential. A standard flat fee for turning up to training/game, commission for how many times they get the ball and pass accordingly, and a bonus for every goal they get… but I digress 🙂
Is this the same with other team sports I ask myself? Does this happen in the Rugby? Does the seeminly accessibility of football encourage a less civilised and uncultured kind of fan I wonder? Though quite young at the time, I recall, I think LInford Christie talking about the fac that when he lost a race or any negative articles came out about him he was ‘Jamaican born Christie’, but when he won, he was ‘British Athlete Linford…’ Black athletes are prevalent in the majority of british sports, sports where they are often world class contenders. I guess the white people that think this kind of behaviour is acceptable/should not be challenged will have to weigh up whether or not they want to be contenders in the arena of sports anymore…
LikeLike
“In this sick, wicked, racist country being racially abused is making trouble and being the racist who racially attacks others is being the innocent victim.”
******************************
@ Robert
It appears Bizzaro England is as racist as Bizzaro America in quite a number of similar ways.
It’s clear that whiteness kills the souls of its adherents, no matter which part of the globe they occupy. Thanks for sharing this account.
LikeLike
speaking of racism in sports:
University of Montreal students thought it would be fun to don black face this past fall and dress in the colors of jamaica.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/10/05/f-vp-fatah.html
Canada, England, United States.
Same shit. Different pile.
LikeLike
@Bulanik:
Thank you very much for providing the Youtube clips. What can I say? I’m truly disgusted by the racist taunts and “Heil Hitler” salutes from the crowd. I haven’t experienced what these players have been subjected to, but I can understand their anger. Hell, I’d walk off the field in protest, too. No one deserves the racial abuses heaped upon them. The Spanish coach’s denial that he did anything wrong is telling with his statement, “I cannot understand. And I have gypsy friends, black, yellow friends.” It’s along the same lines as “I’m not a racist . Some of my best friends are black.”
LikeLike
@Robert
You forgot to mention that in both cases the punishment is disproportionately severe. Suarez got an 8 game ban for using the word “negro” multiple times when he addressed Evra in Spanish. Terry can even by banned permanently from the English national team for (allegedly) calling Ferdinand a “fu**ing black c**t”.
These kinds of bans should be given to players who hurt other players’ bodies, not their feelings.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
We have to remember that many team sports, played by strong young men, fired up with testosterone and adrenaline and passion to win is veritably LADEN with vulgarity, aggression and abuse. A goal is scored, and then – what – they are kissing each other? Have you watched how boxers abuse each other? And then, professing their deep respect for each other after the blows are exchanged?
True, what you say about these young men and their hormones – often, they are plucked from the relative obscurity of a local team or an apprentice with a dividion team and catapulted into a world where you are valued for your skill and ability on the pitch and can cash in and become a commodity to promote a product or service. Most of them come from ‘ordinary’ families and they are thrust into an arena where joshing and teasing is the norm and racist innuedos are are a huge part of this and for the longest time, they were expected to just ‘deal with it’ as this was probably seen as going with the territory to some degree. In fact, I can imagine that for any young black player that this will often determine how quick they are chosen or their ability to progress is how resilient they are to this kind of abuse and more importantly for the manager, the less fuss the better approach towards it. There is a huge amount of cossetting and protecting going on in some parts of the league it seems that some of these individuals barely got past being toilet trained let alone having any moral code or respect or decency before embarking on what can turn out to be a high profile career in football. All these sex scandals – I’m not talking about single players here having X amount of lovers, more they trysts and the affairs and the accusations of rape. Also, very telling that other than the late Justin Fashanau, there are (to my knowledge anyway) no self confessed gay players.
The reality is that if they had to stop the racist chants and abuse and the general foul language, they are concerned that this sport would no longer appeal to the common man. They dont want this to become a gentlemans sport. They cant afford for this to happen and for years, instead of trying to educate and eradicate the problem, they have covered it up and lied every time when questioned about whether they feel racism as a growing concern in football.
Years ago, I went for an interview at my local Football club for an office based job. One of the things that was said to me was that there was a lot of banter at the club between players and staff etc and how did I feel about that? I said I was fine with that. He then went on to reiterate how important it was to ‘have a laugh and not get upset about things as, some of the lads etc, can use quite choice words and language’. I nodded, and he kept persisting about how ‘offensive’ some of this language might seem to outsiders not used to this – how did I feel about that? I said something like ‘as long as they can cope with someone who gives as good as they get’. I had long forgotten about that interview but discussing football in this way has brought it back and also reminds me of the enormity of what he was trying to convey to me. He was trying to say that, they behave inappropriately, they know they behave inappropriately and that to be part of the work place I would have to accept that innapropriateness. Needless to say I didnt get the job – I am soooo relieved. I have been in roles for years where I have addressed continual microagressions amongst so called intelligent individuals, to have to deal with overt racism amongst neanderthals would have ended up with me being sectioned with several others following close behind after I finished mentally ‘doing their heads in’ LOL.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
“Mr Evra’s evidence was that, in response to his question “Why did you kick me?”, Mr Suárez replied “Porque tu eres negro”. Mr Evra said that at the time Mr Suárez made that comment, he (Mr Evra) understood it to mean “Because you are a nigger”. He now says that he believes the words used by Mr Suárez mean “Because you are black”.
“Mr Evra said that he followed up Mr Suárez’s reply “Because you are black” by saying “Habla otra vez asi, te voy a dar una porrada”, which means “Say it to me again, I’m going to punch you”. Mr Suárez replied by saying “No hablo con los negros”. Mr Evra said that, at the time, he understood this to mean “I don’t speak to niggers”, although he now says it means “I don’t speak to blacks”.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/01/fa-report-luis-suarez-patrice-evra
I’m inclined to believe Evra’s account since I have been on the receiving end of a denial by a racist and of course all the White people believed her even the White people who told me they abhor racism.
Funny you should mention that looks like that is making a comeback:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093276/Liverpool-fan-accused-making-monkey-gesture–police-investigate.html
Yeah the racism is virulent and overt there on the continent, the same way they would still be here if Blacks hadn’t fought so valiantly against English racism.
LikeLike
@ Matari
Oh yes, the extremist right-wing government we’ve got in now is importing every regressive policy they can copy from the U.S. and the English people? they cheer it on all the way in the belief it will hurt the someone else who deserves it and not them or their children, but if they paid attention to the U.S. they would see the White middle-class there used to think they were untouchable too and now they are fast joining the ranks of the poor and having to live in tent cities, but these people here never learn and believe everything they read in the 95 percent right-wing newspapers, so they will have to find out the hard way, it’s just a shame the minority of decent people here are going to suffer too.
LikeLike
You’re White I take it?
LikeLike
@eco
You forgot to mention that in both cases the punishment is disproportionately severe. Suarez got an 8 game ban for using the word “negro” multiple times when he addressed Evra in Spanish. Terry can even by banned permanently from the English national team for (allegedly) calling Ferdinand a “fu**ing black c**t”.
These kinds of bans should be given to players who hurt other players’ bodies, not their feelings.
No-one forgot to mention anything eco, the punishment is right and just – for far to long footballers have not been held to account for their conduct both on and off the pitch. They get paid too much and rewarded too readily when the reality is that the as a national team, England have not brought pride to the country via the game for over 40 odd years (the Great 66′ team and even that was borderline). What is disproportionate is the amount that they get paid in comparison to the real heroes of British society – the emergency services i.e. Drs, nurses, firemen etc.
So eco, how are these players supposed to cope when they not only have to deal with this shite from their team mates, but also go out there and deal with it from the masses? You expect them to still be on form? Your being dismissive of the pain that can be caused by this specific kind of abuse , tis an example of the desperate state of the game. These guys are in premiership clubs and accused of racist behaviour (and considering the fame of these individuals it could be argued that the are in turn inciting racist behaviour) and yet you are worried about the fact they may get banned!!!! Surely, there are enough good people to take their place….or then again, maybe not which alas, is the reality of the situation.
Playing football for a premiership team should be an honour – and whilst initially they might feel that pride for playing for a high profile team, this quickly gets replaced by the players feelings of entitlement which detracts from them putting their efforts in to being the best that they can be IMO. They feel that by being in the Premiership they can do and get away with anything and I think this is in stark contrast to many of the international players, many who have come from impoverished backgrounds and know the value and responsibility of bringing pride to the game and a nation. It is down to the International players, many of whom are Black as to why there are so many successful premiership teams. Without the interjection of international players, many of these teams would have been relegated to the murky depths of the lower divisions never to see the light of day again. Many are just mediocre and really arent good enough to play such a high standard of football and England have not been world class contenders as a national team for many years.
So tell me again eco why these players should have to put up with racism? Think about it – who needs who here? Without the players who have been putting up with this f***in shite for years, most of these teams would vanish without a trace anyway. If these idiots cant restrain themselves and behave decently then perhaps they will be willing to put more effort in and actually helpt the teams achieve victory instead of notoriety.
LikeLike
@eco
Maybe because assholes making vicious comments like this more often than not leads to ‘real’ physical violence because like small children who have not been taught restraint, these wasters cant help but take it to the next level.
I know this eco because once, when I went to a pub during a football match, a WM individual made a choice comment about one of the black players to a BP. The predominantly white group laughed until a comment was made about the inadequacies of the white player comparitively to the BP – wow. A near riot ensued. WM cannot take being reminded that comparatively to the BM form that they are often seen as unremarkable it seems. Remember this eco when you are next out in the pub, laughing and ‘accepting’ that racist sh*t happens.
Meanwhile you are blatantly ignoring the fact that verbal harrasment/abuse is a violation to an individual and is in fact a crime no matter where it is perpetrated and more importantly regardless of who is the perpetrator.
LikeLike
@ Bulanik
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/how-a-safety-net-designed-to-help-those-most-in-need-became-a-kafkaesque-nightmare.16597032
Iain Duncan Smith Secretary of State for Work and Pensions actually said: “Work makes you free” in regard to the sick and disabled, which is almost identical to Nazi slogan: “Arbeit macht frei” that was above the Auschwitz extermination camp.
A lord of all people called Lord Patel said about this Government’s policies towards the disabled which he and the other lords tried to block: “If we are going to rob the poor to pay the rich then we enter a different form of morality”. Many sick, disabled and vulnerable people have already committed suicide over the pressure these sociopaths are putting on them and many more will in the near future. I don’t think it would be an exaggeration to say that these people are evil.
LikeLike
@Demerera
“Maybe because assholes making vicious comments like this more often than not leads to ‘real’ physical violence”
Are you aware how common trash talk is in this sport and how rarely it leads to actual violence?
“Meanwhile you are blatantly ignoring the fact that verbal harrasment/abuse is a violation to an individual and is in fact a crime no matter where it is perpetrated and more importantly regardless of who is the perpetrator.”
Sure, but how severe is it? More then breaking someones leg and ruining their career?
LikeLike
@ Demerera
Thank you, well said.
LikeLike
@eco
“Meanwhile you are blatantly ignoring the fact that verbal harrasment/abuse is a violation to an individual and is in fact a crime no matter where it is perpetrated and more importantly regardless of who is the perpetrator.”
Sure, but how severe is it? More then breaking someones leg and ruining their career?
Ok, so we are in agreement that being a footballer is a vocation right? So, when you go to work eco, would you expect to have to take verbal abuse from your colleagues? Would you allow clients to call in and call you an f***in c*nt, threaten you, slag off your girlfriend just because you happen to represent this organisation. I do not believe for one minute that you would tolerate this and I certainly dont believe that if this were happening to you continually or that there was the threat of this happening to you, that it would not take its toll on you in some way or other.
Similarly, on the pitch, playing for their team, this is becomes the footballers ‘office/factory’. They should NOT have to go to work and accept abuse from their colleagues/peers or their clients/customers/supporters. Abuse of this kind should be treated as a crime, if only to set a precedent so that players ‘learn’ what is and what isnt acceptable. As football is such a pivotal sport in Britain this could only be a good thing which would hopefully filter down into ordinary society.
When you are continually demeaned, harrased and humiliated publicly in this way it can and WILL take its toll on the individual and just because it is not something that requires a plaster to heal it, doesnt mean that the damage is any less detrimental. I feel extremely worried about humanity when an individual dismisses the feelings of someone who is being verbally assaulted just because they are concerned that the perpetrator of such a crime (i.e. a premiership footballer no less) might get the punishment they rightly deserve for it.
Think about why you are so desperate to have morons like this representing the country regardless of their crimes. Do you think they can restore pride in what once was a great game – honestly? This is an obvious reflection of the severe decline in the quality and standard of British Football and the players therein whilst also being quite telling on your part that you would sacrifice the soul of one human being over another just because you know that whilst most arent really world class players, they are the best England has to offer.
LikeLike
@Demerera
“So, when you go to work eco, would you expect to have to take verbal abuse from your colleagues?”
That’s a straw man. It’s not a comparable situation. You are not addressing the issue.
…
Screw it, I’ll play along and try to out-straw-man you.
OK, I’m in the office where I am taking verbal abuse. Meanwhile, you are in a similar workplace where people are punching you all the time. Whenever I’m insulted, somebody tries to knock your teeth out. Is my situation worse than yours? I don’t think so. Being physically injured is worse than being insulted.
Also, I love how you assume that the trash talk is one-sided and black players are basically perpetual victims.
“I feel extremely worried about humanity when an individual dismisses the feelings of someone who is being verbally assaulted just because they are concerned that the perpetrator of such a crime (i.e. a premiership footballer no less) might get the punishment they rightly deserve for it.”
Have I said they shouldn’t be punished? No.
They should be punished, but it should be proportional to the harm they have done. Calling someone “black” in Spanish (8-game ban) isn’t almost three times worse than breaking their leg and ruining their career (3-game ban).
P.S. I’m not English. I do not care how strong their national team is.
LikeLike
@eco
That’s a straw man. It’s not a comparable situation. You are not addressing the issue.
I disagree – it is comparable, I used this example merely to contextualise the issue as, I find that often talk is cheap and unless a person can put themselves in the situation, they dont bother to properly engage with what is being said.
I used to work in an environment where there were people with mental health issues. It was very clear that abuse of the staff would not be tolerated. These are people who have issues with comprehension on a day to day basis and they were nevertheless still expected to abide by a code of conduct. Why is it too much to expect that footballers do the same and that if they dont, they should be punished? They are not being ‘fired’ as an individual would be in the examples I have been given, this is more like a verbal or written warning which hopefully should set a precedent should others think of doing the same. Of course physically harming another person with intent should be a punishable offence too but, to say that continual verbal abuse is less detrimental is equally wrong.
As footballers and often ambassadors for the country of their origin they are undertaking a role and are supposed to have a level of professionalism as would be expected in ANY work environment. You however are dismissing this as harmless ‘banter’. This is both remiss and negligent IMO. With regards to the examples given, I appreciate that there are 2 sides to every story however, the accusations of ‘racism’ within football are hardly isolated incidences are they.
LikeLike
Not yet. I am not even current yet with the comments on the bm/ww thread.
LikeLike
@abagond:
The 20th Anniversary of the LA Riots is coming up in April and I was wondering if you could do a post on the relations between Blacks and Asians. It’ll open up a can of worms I’m sure, but this is a topic that needs to be addressed. All my life, I’ve heard/talked to other Asians of various ethnicities who think Black people are generally not good people/troublemakers. The Asians I know are brainwashed by the media because they think blacks are a certain way. I don’t think so, but maybe it’s due to my upbringing with half-black cousins, black relatives (via marriage), black friends, and my overall positive experiences with black people.
LikeLike
I am having problems inserting youtube videos into the comments sections. I am only able to get the URL link to appear. Could someone please show me how to youtube videos into the comments section?
LikeLike
Satanforce:
The format is this (without the spaces!)
[ youtube = URL ]
LikeLike
@Bulanik and Abagond
I was sing Abagond’s method – but with the spaces. Thank you both very much for your quick assistance.
LikeLike
Science decodes ‘internal voices’
By Jason Palmer
Science and technology reporter, BBC News
Researchers have demonstrated a striking method to reconstruct words, based on the brain waves of patients thinking of those words.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16811042
Oh great. If they’re admitting they’ve gotten this far in reading people’s thoughts in public they’ve probably got a lot further in secret science labs. Soon even your thoughts wont be your own. The Government will be able to tell if you’re thinking subversive thoughts and arrest you for thought crimes. Or maybe mischievous people may read your thoughts and then publish your embarrassing thoughts in public, or tell your boss or family member what you really think about them.
Even worse maybe this scenario: a room full of rich people in a movie theater watching a film and laughing until they cry, but not a Hollywood blockbuster, no, laughing at a poor persons actual life from their point of view with their recently deceased but artificially kept alive brain in a jar hooked up to the cinema screen where the people watching the movie can watch the unfortunate victim’s whole life, seeing everything they saw, hearing everything they heard, hearing everything they ever said, listening to all their internal voices; their thoughts of vulnerability, their hypocrisy, their malicious moments, their triumphs, their fears, and all their mishaps – reality TV on a whole new level.
Maybe it’s time for me to start work on my tinfoil hat.
LikeLike
@Leigh
All my life, I’ve heard/talked to other Asians of various ethnicities who think Black people are generally not good people/troublemakers. The Asians I know are brainwashed by the media because they think blacks are a certain way.
I dont know the background of the LA riots but its interesting that you say this. My friends brother lives in Japan, he is fluent in the language and has a reverence for the culture…and the women :-). It seems though, that although he has lived there for at least 8 years or so, that he, as he often says, is looked down on with and treated with mistrust . He says that this is due to African people that live there that give ALL blacks a bad reputation for being rapists and thieves! He said the only thing that these guys recognise in terms of external influences, is American culture and they regard it most highly. As a British man who si Black but with an indeterminate racial background he said people dont really care about who he is. Even the ex-pats that live there reveal their racism both about BP and Asian people!!!!!!
Anyway, I am interested to see if Abagond does a post on this, what the background is and what commenters current take on it is.
LikeLike
Seems to have worked this time it often goes wrong when I try to post embedded videos.
LikeLike
@ Robert:
I fixed it for you – you forget the “=” between youtube and the URL. A common mistake.
LikeLike
@ abagond I thought it was you fixing them sometimes but I wasn’t sure Thank you. I just copy and paste the embed code that begins <iframe, I will try again.
LikeLike
@Robert
I remember this song well, it was when I started Secondary school – what memories does it conjure up for you?
LikeLike
@ Demerera
Being an innocent kid without a care in the world. How about you?
LikeLike
@Robert
Being at the school disco and getting asked to dance by a 5th former who many of the girls in my year liked but I had no interest in. We danced to Berlin Take my Breath Away and we swayed around and around and I felt really sick cos of ‘dancing’ in this way and uncomfortable cos they were giving me daggers lol.
We dont have to.. was popular at the time and puts me in mind of this…
What other songs remind you of your youth Robert?
LikeLike
lol.
Michael Jacksons album Thriller especially PYT Billie Jean, Thriller (wore out the video player watching the Zombie dance).
The Wailer’s album Burnin’. My mother used to play it when I was a young child. I remember being fascinated by the phrase “Jah Jah” I loved Get up Stand up, Small Axe and I Shot the Sheriff, I remember being enthralled as a child when the song stopped and Bob sang “If I am guilty I will pay” and it echoed.
Five Star – The Slightest touch, System Addict and Rain or Shine.
Ya kid K- Rockin Under The Beat and Pump Up The Jam
Yazz – The Only Way Is Up
Mel and Kim – Respectable
Betty Boo – doing the do
Snap – The Power
New Kids On The Block – The Right Stuff lol
Vanilla Ice – Ice Ice Baby lol
Bill Medley and Jennifer Warnes – I’ve Had The Time Of My Life
Bros – When Will I be famous and I Owe You Nothing
Chaka khan – Aint’ Nobody and I Feel For You
How about you Demerera what songs remind you of your youth?
LikeLike
@Demerera:
I can’t speak for the Japanese because I’m not Japanese, but from my understanding, the American influence is very strong in Japan. The images coming out of America regarding black people tends to be negative. If that’s what the Japanese over there see, then I’m not surprised by the racist attitudes. However, mind you, the Japanese are known especially around Asia for being racist to anyone non-Japanese.
LikeLike
Abagond, will you be doing a post on Don Cornelius since he apparently committed suicide Wednesday morning?
“… Soul Train creator Don Cornelius was found dead at his Sherman Oaks, CA home at 4 AM PST from what police and TMZ are reporting as a self inflicted gunshot wound.”
LikeLike
Five Star
All fall down, Love takes over, Cant wait another minute
Ya kid K- Rockin Under The Beat and Pump Up The Jam
The same
Mel and Kim – Respectable
Yup and ‘Showing Out’
Betty Boo – doing the do
Much preferred, Where are you Baby and also with the Beatmasters ‘Hey DJ I cant Dance to this
Snap – The Power
Do you remember ‘Toms Diner’ or ‘The Only Rhyme that bites’ and ’20 seconds to comply?’
New Kids On The Block – The Right Stuff lol
LOL, yeah, I remember this one too. My friend had the album
Vanilla Ice – Ice Ice Baby lol
NOooooo. Do you remember ‘I’d rather Jack?’
Bill Medley and Jennifer Warnes – I’ve Had The Time Of My Life
Most definately, I tried to get in the cinema to watch Dirty Dancing at the time and they said we werent old enough so we had to watch ‘Roxanne’ with Steve Martin instead 😦
Bros – When Will I be famous and I Owe You Nothing
My friend had a real pash for the brothers
Chaka khan – Aint’ Nobody and I Feel For You
Reminds me of Breakdance the film, Turbo, Ozone, Special K and Cup Cake lol
Dont forget Brother Beyond, Curiosity Killed the Cat, Johnny Hates Jazz, Hue and Cry, Wet Wet,Wet, Jive Bunny (OMFG) – any Stock Aitken and Waterman (which I loathed at the time).
I Lurved De La Soul, and their album 3 feet high and rising
S Express Theme from S-Express and Hey Music Lover
Bomb the Base Beat dis
Rob Base and DJ EZ Rock It takes two
Kid and Play and their album 2 Hype
Soul II Soul album Club Classics
Eric B and Rakim I know you got soul & Make em clap to this
Neneh Cherry’s album Raw Like Sushi
Rob and Raz ft Leila K Got to get I know, I know 🙂
Beastie Boys album ‘Licensed to Ill
LL Cool J I need Love
Sugarbear Don’t scandalise mine
I remember so vividly hearing Michael Jacksons ‘Off the Wall’ album for the first time. My mum had some American friends and it wasnt released in the UK yet. I had always liked the Jackson 5 and Michael separately, ‘One day in your life’ but, when I heard that album, I was hooked…
Embarrasingly, I could go back even further…
LikeLike
@Ce
Abagond, will you be doing a post on Don Cornelius since he apparently committed suicide Wednesday morning?
My goodness, I only got to see the re-runs of Soul Train in the UK but I didnt realise that – RIP
LikeLike
@Cece D
Abagond, will you be doing a post on Don Cornelius since he apparently committed suicide Wednesday morning?
My goodness, I only got to see the re-runs of Soul Train in the UK but I didnt realise that – RIP
LikeLike
@Leigh
However, mind you, the Japanese are known especially around Asia for being racist to anyone non-Japanese.
Ah, so its not as simple as it first seems. I appreciate that you cannot speak personally on this subject but thanks for the insight nevertheless 🙂
LikeLike
@Bulanik & Robert
I remember the Mowtown 25th Anniversary like yesterday. Michaels performance was out of this world at the time IMO, and I still think it stands the test of time.
My favourite Track(s) from Off The Wall are probably Dont stop til you get enough and It’s the falling in love
Like you Robert, from the Thriller album its PYT and also Human Nature and Beat It
Everyone at my school was mad keen on Duran Duran and Spandau Ballet, I didnt really follow either group then but in retrospect appreciate that it was music for its time
I had a huge crush on Kelvin from Musical Youth at the time and Ralph Tresvant from New Edition. I was most definately a child of the times as you can tell lol.
LikeLike
@sam
Know both those tunes well, I have the Saturday Night Fever album but she – Yvonne had a hit called ‘Love me’ too which I remember for some unknown reason.
Anyone remember these…the second one was the first record I ever owned – no laughing please 🙂
LikeLike
@abagond,
Is it more preferable to add video clips in the format above or does it really not make a difference whether they are links or properly embedded as I have just failed to do.
LikeLike
Either is fine but my guess is that more people watch embedded videos than follow links.
LikeLike
Ah, Billie Jean is probably my absolute favorite of all time of disco tunes. Still remember the video back in the day, and it still gives me the groovy vibes it did back then. An immortal song, hugely popular in Finland as well. I even had a Michael Jackson poster on my wall, among lots of movie posters, especially of James Bond movies. And oh, Donna Summer, lol!
LikeLike
Sniff… not crying. Not crying at all…..Sniff…
LikeLike
Oh Bumboclaat!!! That just finished in my playlist!!!!! Man, I’m gonna have to ban with website in my Firefox! And I just cut the intro from the Ken Boothe to use as a sample.
You wanna clash me!!! You won’t win!!!!
LikeLike
Oooh I dont know Satanforce…
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrT5IVclf7M]
LikeLike
@Sam
Ring my bell, yes! Afterwards I heard an interpretation that it referred to the clit-oral pleasure between two women, but maybe it’s just my imagination…
LikeLike
Abagond, apolgies, can you fix it for me please
LikeLike
@hannu
Afterwards I heard an interpretation that it referred to the clit-oral pleasure between two women, but maybe it’s just my imagination…
Tut. Trust you, theres always one isnt there….
LikeLike
@Robert
Loved your list of songs! My favs!
LikeLike
Yo Abagond, check out this post on the Grio:
http://m.thegrio.com/black-history/black-history-month-debunking-the-10-biggest-myths-about-black-history.php?page=1
LikeLike
Mwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
I’ll take you both on!!!!!!!!
I” play Smokey Robinson in defense mode and Beres Hammond in attack
LikeLike
@ Demerera
“Do you remember ‘Toms Diner’ or ‘The Only Rhyme that bites’ and ’20 seconds to comply?”
I remember The only rhyme that bites and 20 seconds to comply the chorus sounds a bit like the Ragga Twins Spliffhead.
Vanilla Ice – Ice Ice Baby lol
“NOooooo. Do you remember ‘I’d rather Jack?”
I know I shouldn’t have admitted that oh well it’s done now.
I didn’t remember I’d rather Jack until I watched in You Tube liked that too.
Bill Medley and Jennifer Warnes – I’ve Had The Time Of My Life
“Most definately, I tried to get in the cinema to watch Dirty Dancing at the time and they said we werent old enough so we had to watch ‘Roxanne’ with Steve Martin instead.”
Bummer lol.
Chaka khan – Aint’ Nobody and I Feel For You
“Reminds me of Breakdance the film, Turbo, Ozone, Special K and Cup Cake lol”
Yeah me too Ioved that movie Turbo was the man.
“I Lurved De La Soul, and their album 3 feet high and rising
S Express Theme from S-Express and Hey Music Lover
Bomb the Base Beat dis
Rob Base and DJ EZ Rock It takes two
Kid and Play and their album 2 Hype
Soul II Soul album Club Classics
Eric B and Rakim I know you got soul & Make em clap to this
Neneh Cherry’s album Raw Like Sushi
Rob and Raz ft Leila K Got to get I know, I know
Beastie Boys album ‘Licensed to Ill
LL Cool J I need Love
Sugarbear Don’t scandalise mine”
De La Soul are great I loved Buffalo Stance from Neneh Cherry I liked all of these too.
Embarrasingly, I could go back even further…
Thank you for making feel young. 🙂
LikeLike
Great music being posted, here is one of my favorites:
LikeLike
maybe this one will work.
LikeLike
@Demerera
Nice especially like the chorus.
LikeLike
@Bulanic,, thanks! Love the Isley Brothers,
LikeLike
@ Peanut
I deleted it without reading it.
LikeLike
Trojans? I’m a black man , I don’t fuck with Trojans. We use Magnums.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Lady T – The WHOLE Album It Must be Magic is fantastic. I have this on vinyl and the sleeve has the lyrics on too…
@Robert – Glad you liked it 🙂
LikeLike
My favourite ska song
So Jimmy Cliff for you
LikeLike
What do you guys think of Bishop Eddie Long anointing himself as KING?
http://rippdemup.com/2012/02/bishop-eddie-long-anointed-king-and-the-church-say-negro-please/
LikeLike
@Cece D:
I’m not surprised.
LikeLike
More on King Bishop Long: http://www.thegrio.com/news/bishop-eddie-long-is-crowned-king-in-gods-government.php
@Bulanik…..that video=FAIL….Don’t you love the grimace+silence in these folks expressions when asked how much they love/like black people? They wanted to give a different answer but remembered the cameras were on.
LikeLike
It’s interesting that they are picking celebrities/famous people and not the people they actually know. If someone asked me about my favorite person (in general) my first thought would be a family member or a friend.
LikeLike
Uh Oh It’s started snowing here they’re saying it’s going to be quite bad on the news. I wasn’t designed for weather like this 😦
@Demerera and Bulanik
Nice trip down memory lane. Money in my pocket and Maxi Priest and Shabba brought back some good memories.
I think that ship has already sailed it made me crash last night. Now we’ve posted the music who is going to brave enough to be the first one to post a video of themselves dancing to it?
*Smh* Seems like they regard Black history month as a joke in the States….. not surprising at all.
They get uncomfortable because they know their general thoughts about Black people are negative so they have to carefully screen all their thoughts before they speak. They find that process irritating and stressful that’s why many prefer not to have us around unless it’s to serve them of course. “I’ll take you to the candy shop” yes because 50 cent and “gangstas” represent all Black people of course.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
LOL No that’s just history it’s not our fault we invented and discovered everything it’s not fair if you get a month we get a month!
Attempting to rewrite the Slave owning history of their Founding Fathers and now this. They really are something aren’t they?
His best song in my opinion.
Miles Davis – Virtuoso.
LikeLike
@Robert
Now we’ve posted the music who is going to brave enough to be the first one to post a video of themselves dancing to it?
LOL Robert – that would be most entertaining and a revelation indeed. It would dispel the myths of the images that we all have of each other I think. To a degree, ‘pictures’ flicker through my mind of what other commenters look like. Some are easier to conjure up than others as some people allude to little bits and pieces about their physicality. In other words, I would love to put a face to the name but must admit, I would be extremely reluctant to do it myself though I confess to being curious as to what others imagine.
I think the weirdest thing would be though, if we were unwittingly commenting to people on here that we actually ‘know’ in real life lolol.
LikeLike
@Demerera:
I always wonder what everyone looks like. I mean, I look at the names and I factor in their comments and all these faces pop into my head. One question. Do I look like a leigh204?
LikeLike
@Leigh204
LOL. I guess I hadnt thought about whether your name ‘suits’ your or not. I say it this way as we can see you and your gorgeous self 🙂 . I knew a girl called Leah but obviously her name is spelt a different way to yours but is pronounced the same way.
Another factor in this is when people have monikers – some are self explanatory to a degree but others are more ambiguous…
LikeLike
@Demerera:
Ah, you are far too kind. 🙂 I’ve put up pics of myself from time to time on different forums. And once in a while, I’ll have some fool tell me I’m vain or I’m fishing for compliments (when I’ve said nothing.)Wth? Anyway, I think I look like a Leigh. It’s an Asian thang, I think. 😛
LikeLike
@Leigh
And once in a while, I’ll have some fool tell me I’m vain or I’m fishing for compliments (when I’ve said nothing.)Wth?
Reading between the badly drawn lines, I think responses like that speak for themselves in that generally, it is only the people who are deemed ‘attractive’ are considered vain…:-)
LikeLike
I have no idea what “Bulanik” means, but just based on her writings, her mind definitely must be like a beautiful, vast garden.
And women with minds like that always look good to me. 😉
But yeah, I do imagine her as someone really nice looking, quite elegant with warm, inquisitive eyes, who appreciates finer things, takes good care of herself and people she cares about. So, she must look absolutely lovely, hmmmm… 😉
LikeLike
@Demerera
lol yes it would be, maybe one day if I get drunk enough. I picture a Black woman with a smile on her face – you come across as a happy person to me.
Ha ha yeah unless it’s someone with a grudge and embarrassing stories with the pictures to prove them.
So what’s yours a reference to the cake?
LikeLike
lol
LikeLike
@Robert
lol yes it would be, maybe one day if I get drunk enough. I picture a Black woman with a smile on her face – you come across as a happy person to me.
LOL. I wonder what makes me come across in that way? Should I dispel the myth? Well, I would say you are half right…
Demerera said: Another factor in this is when people have monikers – some are self explanatory to a degree but others are more ambiguous…
Robert said:- So what’s yours a reference to the cake?
Mine is boringly obvious if you think about it…;-)
@Hannu
I agree, the name Bulanik does not conjure up any obvious images for me though clearly, it does for you… 😉
LikeLike
@Demerera
Well, I need my imagination for my work, but sometimes it goes wandering around… wanting to imagine beautiful things…
And I agree with Robert, you Demerera definitely sound as someone with a fun personality, and you probably are great to hang around with! We could giggle like girls, you, me and Beautifulanik. I think I’d dry to take a peek of her cleavage, tho! 😀
LikeLike
@Hannu
Tut tut. You men and bosoms/cleavage, LOL. How often do us females have to say ‘hello, talk to me – look into my eyes’ LMAO.
I do like to have fun I admit though on a day to day, doubt as if I come across like that….though maybe I have a little twinkle in my eyes 😉
LikeLike
@Bulanik
OMG. A few years ago you and I could have gone out on the pull LOL. Though I fear that people would have thought of me as your humble lady in waiting due to my unpolished accent and you, sounding so dignified and refined (re our conversation on Transaclantic accents) LOL
LikeLike
@ Bulanik
Touché.
I couldn’t seem to find the oven gloves anywhere Lmao.
LikeLike
2 Whtie male elementary school teachers in Los Angeles, CA were arrested for molesting over a dozen Hispanic kids aged 6 – 12. Irony is….White males don’t discriminate when it comes to molesting kids.
LikeLike
“.White males don’t discriminate when it comes to molesting kids.”
**************************************************
Apparently the same can be said for white females.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_15_111/ai_n27208405/
LikeLike
And it’s incredulous that a lot of these white molesters get a slap on the wrist. It’s disgusting.
LikeLike
And what’s worse is that they actually enjoy the slap of their wrist. They slap their wrists all day sometimes.
LikeLike
Many Americans are now rejecting the standard race labels:
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2012/feb/04/census-1-in-14-avoid-standard-race-labels/
LikeLike
Many of us now know about the formation of Sundown (all white) Towns scattered across America – circa 1860s – 1920s.
THIS …
“There is a stereotype of Black fathers being absent and bad because I remember whenever my dad would come to events at my school…the white teachers would always seem so SHOCKED that my father was not only in my life, but actively involved in my life. I can’t tell you how many teachers would ask me “who is this?” When they would see my dad picking me up and stuff…and just be so shocked that it was my father and he was actually in my life…”
… GROSS IGNORANCE of the lives of black people – to an overwhelming degree – was/is caused by white folks’ deliberate and purposed banishment of African-Americans from what were once mixed-communities and subsequently changed to ALL WHITE towns and counties. Many of which STILL exist even to this day.
Abagond has a post somewhere about this
LikeLike
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/sundown-towns/
LikeLike
Obama exchange with Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer reveals his testy side.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-exchange-with-arizona-gov-jan-brewer-reveals-his-testy-side/2012/01/26/gIQA8mU3TQ_story.html
http://digitaljournal.com/article/318607
*Eyeroll* Apparently she felt intimidated and a “little threatened” . So threatened that she waved a finger right in his face. Witnesses have said Obama was calm throughout. The “white womans tears” and the pure innocent little White woman being threatened by the “big Black brute” rears its ugly head yet again. I’m surprised she didn’t say that he made sexual advances toward her as well.
LikeLike
Much respect to President Obama. I’m sorry, but if she did the finger waving thing in my face, I would most likely smack that finger away or smack her in the face. That is so rude.
LikeLike
@leigh204;
“That is so rude.”
You’re right. She was very disrespectful to the man and to the Office. That image brings to mind that congressman who yelled, “You lie!” during the President’s State of the Union address back in ’09.
LikeLike
Brewer is just the Wicked Witch of the West. Maybe splashing some (holy) water on her will end her reign of racial supremacy.
LikeLike
I wish Obama were a bit more threatening! As it stands, the only time i could even imagine him being aggressive was if someone threatened his beautiful wife and daughters. Otherwise, I think he is about as threatening as Harvard university makes one! LOL.
LikeLike
@ bulanik: Yes, there has been black ballet dancers in USA fro decades, if I remember correctly. I remember seeing some back in the 70’s at least. For some reason blacks in so called High Arts, or Fine Arts, are forgotten despite their success for example in opera. Weird, right?
Desmond Dekker? Great! Jimmy Cliff? Great! I liked the movie Harder They Come because of its gritty realistic way of portraying that life, nothing fancy pants romantic, despite some obvious short comings, like budget. And the song, that is a master piece!
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Thanks, that was quite beautiful. I know next to nothing about classical ballet (some of the score, of course), but the movements were really nice, and I paid attention to how the dancer stomped her feet at some points, which I suppose is totally uncustomary.
In general I feel that this kind of hybrids are extremely valuable and an enriching way of creating art and especially in handling classical pieces that have been lifted on snobbish pedestal, not only beyond criticism, but more importantly mentally elevated away from the reach -or interest- of an average citizen/consumer. Maybe this way it could be possible to make older art forms more interesting and accessible to people who are normally not exposed to it.
There are people who of course want to keep art and entertainment separate, how else could they feel special and more important if it wasn’t for their prejudice to enjoy ‘higher’ culture and look down on the uneducated masses with trivial tastes?
LikeLike
@bulanik: I can not see any reason why black artist could or should not excel in the fine arts too, they have done it the past, but perhaps we live times when American Idols and Big Brothers and reality tv eats everybodys brains and people forget the fine arts for what they are: expression.
Just listen some stuff of Beethoven, that is as heavy and hard as any rock. Some ballet moves are way up there with the most acrobatic hip hop. Just look at paintings. There is classical stuff that could be really wild as street art as well.
Perhaps some do not want blacks in these fields? Perhaps some blacks look at these arts as being white? I do not think so and would very much like to see more black performers in ballet and classical music. It would a thrill to hear black conductor taking on Sibelius Finlandia.
LikeLike
Hmmm. A very interesting developement at Blog Abagond, or so it seems . . . .
LikeLike
@Parfum Bleu
Hmmm. A very interesting developement at Blog Abagond, or so it seems . . . .
I’m just catching up – whats ‘appening?
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Thanks! That was an especially interesting blend of music!
@Peanut
What did you think of that particular piece Bulanik posted? Just meanwhile you beg for Abagond’s attention and affection..
LikeLike
eh some type of problem with a video referrer was uh led zeppelin friends and uh the second song was gap band you dropped the bomb on me
ah should abagond meet me in nyc i would like to buy the dude a beer
LikeLike
ok here i go wordpress very insecure like the first time i logged in to you blog it was a problem on fb it acknowledged i had logged in from ohio, usa, and that is fur sure i never did secondly not every white person is out to get you maybe you could make some new friends that is all
LikeLike
you welcome to invite me facebook.com/v8driver i would be happy to accept you as a friend
LikeLike
whatever dude i got issues come out ny nj philly i got you ttyl
LikeLike
CPAC Set to Host White Nationalist Leader
“Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich, along with several Republican senators and congressmen, are set to appear at the American Conservative Union’s Conservative Political Action Conference, but the GOP brass aren’t the only ones set to be at CPAC. As we’ve previously reported, CPAC will play host to anti-gay groups such as the Family Research Council, the birther leader of WorldNetDaily, and the Apartheid-nostalgic Youth for Western Civilization.
But that isn’t all.
Following speeches from Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Rep. Michele Bachmann, CPAC is hosting the panel “The Failure of Multiculturalism: How the pursuit of diversity is weakening the American Identity” with Peter Brimelow, the founder and head of VDARE.com.
VDARE is a White Nationalist website, run by Brimelow, which frequently publishes the works of anti-Semitic and racist writers and is named after Virginia Dare, who is believed to be the first child of English parents born in the Americas. Brimelow, an immigrant from Great Britain, expresses his fear of the loss of America’s white majority, blames non-white immigrants for social and economic problems and urges the Republican Party to give up on minority voters and focus on winning the white vote. He also said that a New York City subway is the same as an Immigration and Naturalization Service waiting room, “an underworld that is not just teeming but also almost entirely colored.”
VDARE has published the work of people like Robert Weissberg, who says that black and Hispanic students are responsible for problems in the American education system, Marcus Epstein, the Youth for Western Civilization leader who karate-chopped a black woman after calling her a “n****r” (he later pled guilty to assault), and J. Philippe Rushton of the eugenicist Pioneer Fund.”
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cpac-set-host-white-nationalist-leader
Yet we have Black conservatives on this site who will still insist that the Republican party are the lesser of the two evils for Black people in the U.S. and the party they should support, because unlike the Liberals and the Democratic party they are upfront with their racism and hatred for Black people, when the real reason they like the Republican party is because the right-wing philosophy of greed is a virtue, the poor are entirely to blame for their poverty because they are lazy and feckless, cutting programs that help the poor cures their laziness, bootstrap myths, and the equating of morality with financial wellbeing appeals to them because such sophistries allow them to circumvent their consciences and be greedy, mean and selfish guilt free, while still allowing them to see themselves as good people.
LikeLike
@Robert
Hey Mi Hermano – how goes it? Will come back with some choons soon. Hope you’re enjoying the chilly weather – bbbrrrrrrrrrrrrr
LikeLike
@Robert
Re: CPAC
I heard about Peter Brimelow and his white nationalist agenda at CPAC. What’s next? David Duke? Thanks for providing the additional info. It’s unfortunate that CPAC is allowing him to be one of their panelists, but I must say I’m not surprised.
LikeLike
@Demerera
Hey Demerera, it goes ok thanks how you doing?
Oh Yeah sure! I’m enjoying it like a blind date with the now banned Lara from this site. How you enjoying it? lol
LikeLike
@ Demerera
Never heard Is this the future before, cool tune.
If I try to do the butterfly and bogle I might do myself a mischief I think lol.
LikeLike
@Nom De Plume
They’re probably lining him up for next year, but Black people should still vote for the Republicans so the Democratic party doesn’t take their votes for granted. *rolleyes*
They’re not even bothering to pretend to not be what they are anymore.
LikeLike
@Robert
Oh Yeah sure! I’m enjoying it like a blind date with the now banned Lara from this site. How you enjoying it? lol
LMAO – I KNOW that Lara would have enjoyed a date with a dashing man like yourself – thats what she craved. She saw any BW who posted on here as a barrier to getting what she wanted hence her guiless comments – thats just how she rolls lol
Never heard the Gap Band tune before? Dont think it charted very high but for some reason I remember it being used to play out TOTP – Maybe when Dixie Peach was hosting though I couldnt say for definate – remember him? Please tell me you do (I dont wanna be that old yet), and yes, that’s what he called himself though I know it is hair pomade cos my mum used to use it in my hair lol.
LikeLike
@abagond:
I don’t know if you read an earlier comment of mine on this thread, but is it possible for you to do a post on blacks and asians’ tenuous relations? You see, I knew from the getgo that blacks weren’t these horrible people made out to be by whites. I saw the injustices done to blacks maybe because I have black relatives (through marriages) and half-black cousins. I wasn’t falling for the bs. I can clearly see whites pitting asian people against blacks.
LikeLike
@ Demerera
Lara was looking for a Sugar Daddy and hated Black women because she felt they were getting all the Sugar Daddies and were the reason why she couldn’t find one who was interested in her on that website lol.
Yeah I remember the Gap Band tune from TOTP, but I don’t remember Dixie sorry lol.
LikeLike
@ Leigh
That would make an excellent topic. Thanks.
LikeLike
http://www.facebook.com/V8Driver
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Top Cat, you mean the one who’s close friends get to call him T.C 🙂
Have you ever seen a Panther that is Pink – Think? 😉
Metal Mickey
The Muppet Show – How could I forget that. I had a t-shirt an everything.
I guess no-one knows what TISWAS stood for then???
LikeLike
Sing For mash get smaSh
LOL
LikeLike
@Bulanik
I think Demerera is the one who brought them up but I will accept praise wherever I can get it 🙂
No, but I like it, smooth.
On another more serious note, I found a good article today on the persecution of the sick and disabled that is going on here. As history shows us this kind of thing never just stops with the scapegoated group. Once this kind of sickness becomes acceptable in a society it spreads.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-24033624-disabled-are-at-the-mercy-of-ministers-and-media.do
This one is good too.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/08/disabled-people-abuse-peoples-panel
LikeLike
@Demerera
In her rage against Black women she then told on herself again and said she watched Black women in p*rn movies to try and figure out why the Sugar Daddies were choosing them and not her. I had to laugh.
“Starsky and Hutch (though I was very young and mainly remember the car and huggy bear”)
Same here.
Wonder Woman
Her spinning around was the highlight for me.
Happy Days
Used to love this. But a grown man hanging around highschool kids really isn’t cool.
Esteban and the Mysterious cities of gold (loved that theme tune)
One of my favourite cartoons, had some of the best times of my childhood watching that. The illustrations were very sunny and bright. I loved that theme tune too, it had quite advanced themes for a cartoon.
The A Team
Mr .T was the man. The conflict between him and mad Murdoch was funny.
LikeLike
@ Bulanik yeah exactly that is the poem it reminds me of too. 😦
The Smash advert aliens laughing still makes me laugh.
“Have you ever seen a Panther that is Pink – Think?”
I always though Linford Christie looked like the Pink Panther.
The open thread is starting to remind me of my first computer the Commodore 64, it’s taking almost as long as the games did to load.
LikeLike
What do you guys think about this story? Abagond, does it tie into your black men/white women thread?
http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/users/realtalc/119055/white-women-livid-over-post-of-hottest-black-women-post-from-black-men-on-whitewomenblackmencom-lmao
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Re the Poem:- Hopefully not prophetic but certainly apt and poignant if we continue on in this vane.
@Robert
I will look at the link a little later, just about to get the troops fed and watered. BTW, Commodore 64, how about the Atari and a nice game of ‘Pong’, now that is about as far as I got in terms of computers and gaming lol
LikeLike
@Robert
Disabled are at the mercy of ministers and media
Having looked at this article, my observations are the following:- A few years ago, I worked for an organisation that looked at ‘supporting’ individuals that were claiming disability benefits. This was part of a government incentive and the upshot was that this was a way to help individuals get back in to work. The focus was supposed to be on understanding the barriers, real and perceived, and breaking them down to enable people to be personally empowered. Now, in my time of working there, just over 2 years, I encountered so many inspirational and determined individuals. One particular lady stays with me to this day having been diagnosed with terminal cancer (her body was riddled with tumours) she nevertheless maintained a steadfast belief in her faith which kept her sane. She and I used to have quite a dialogue and so when my employers ‘pulled the plug’ so to speak and alluded to the fact that my job would be in danger if I maintained contact with her, you can imagine how concerned I was for her and how bereft she was when I told her (we still did keep touch but it had to be discreet of course, those f*ckers were watching my every move. I am certainly no modern day saint, but, this lady took solace from our chats and I for one was glad for what little I could do. Their motivation for barring our chat was nasty and unpleasant – after a series of ‘incident’s’ in the organisation, not just with me but with colleagues too, I confronted them and took a grievance out. If you didnt ‘play the game’ then you were targeted with little care of the impact on individuals, in fact it was a hostile environment plagued with bullying and humiliation. They wanted to ‘hurt’ me by not allowing me to keep in touch with this woman and damage me professionally – they knew I was empathetic yet shrewd when it came to talking to those who had just ‘given up’. It wasnt ‘my job’ so to speak to provide this type of service to our clients but, I used to wait until my shift was over to speak to her and she used to call in on our free-phone number so I was not incurring any charges to the company.
It sounds melodramatic but these a**holes were so awful, they would do anything they could to exact revenge. In the end, I am grateful I found another job. The whole situation was really becoming detrimental to my mental state.
The point I am trying to make here is that in this instance, the staff at ground level were treated like shite whilst the people in the higher echelons took care of themselves and exploited any aspect of the system that they could for personal gain. There was NO care as to how this filtered down to help those most vulnerable. Often the staff were so browbeaten that they struggled to maintain and focus on the clients. The ‘project’ lasted for 3 years from start to finish (it was supposed to be reviewed at this time and go on for another 3 years at least if successful) and was a shambles because the individuals who implemented the project, gave the reins to those who had no real business being involved with people who were often at the mercy of society due to their disability. This was particularly for those with mental health issues – or the ‘unseen’ illnesses that many of our client base had.
Therefore, I am not surprised about this article. A few years ago, promises were made to reduce the amount of people claiming disability benefit and whilst schemes like the one I was involved in are admirable in theory, if they are managed badly, which this one was, there is little to NO chance of helping those that need it. This article is a smokescreen IMO to detract from the fact that millions of pounds have been invested and wasted and all down to poor implementation, appalling choice in management from executive level down, poor training at staff level and overall poor Judgement and foresight by the government. They have to shift the spotlight from themselves dont they and who better to shift it on if not the most vulnerable sector of society.
LikeLike
@ Demerera
A friend had the Atari and pong, a simple but surprisingly fun game.
Thank you for sharing your account of your experiences working with a disability organisation and your perspective, it sounds like the organisation was a cesspool of corruption at the top.
“Unum has denied that it stands to gain from the reforms, even though it launched a major media campaign this year just as the coalition government began a three-year programme to reassess about 1.5 million existing IB claimants through a new, stricter test, the work capability assessment (WCA).
But now a detailed memo has emerged, which was submitted to the Commons work and pensions committee in 2002 and was written by Joanne Hindle, Unum’s corporate services director.
The memo also says Unum was “actively engaged” with the government on sharing best practice on returning disabled people to work, while its executives had “met with [government] officials to help better understand the nature of the IB casebook, and to discuss how our commercial experience and expertise might be more widely applied”.
Further information has emerged this week suggesting that Unum had influence within the Department for Work and Pensions as the government was drawing up its proposals for IB reform.
Unum were so corrupt in their home country America that they have had to pay out millions of dollars in compensation and fines, were branded “Disability Denial Factories” and banned from doing business in many states.
http://victimsofatoscorruption.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/new-evidence-of-corporate-giants-influence-on-welfare-reform/
Andrew Lansley, the shadow health secretary, is being bankrolled by the head of one of the biggest private health providers to the NHS, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
Mr Nash, a private equity tycoon, also manages several other businesses providing services to the NHS and stands to be one of the biggest beneficiaries of Conservative policies to increase the use of private health providers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/6989408/Andrew-Lansley-bankrolled-by-private-healthcare-provider.html
Having successfully all but destroyed Incapacity benefit, Unum adverts have recently been appearing all over British tv advertising “Backup plan” private health insurance. Our corrupt politicians having seen how awful the healthcare system in the U.S. is, have decided to privatise the NHS and import that system here, because they despise the idea of Universal Healthcare for ideological reasons and because it will make them and their friends huge profits.
LikeLike
“I was unable to work for a time due to mental health problems resulting from being raped. I had next to no ability to concentrate, astonishly poor memory, mood swings, dissociation blah blah blah… Standard PTSD basically. Being forced to be around other people made me something of a danger to them as well as myself.
I had a letter telling me that I was fit to work. So my benefits were stopped. Not only nothing to live off, but every few days another letter from the DWP with more information I’d need for my imminent return to work. Every few days another letter telling me I had nothing to complain about.
I had been told that what I said wasn’t true, that I wasn’t as ill as I claimed. It shouldn’t be difficult to imagine what effect this had on me, given the event that had put me in that state in the first place. At least one evening out of every two was spent on the phone to the Samaritans getting talked out of killing myself. My doctor and the staff at the JobCentre were powerless to help me, because my mental state was purely reactive. For the first time since my assault I was driven to self-harm. A kind acquaintance came round to my flat and took all my knives away.
(In case you’re wondering, I think it affected me so badly because until then I’d dismissed the rapist as just one nutcase, whose actions were at least illegal. My experience with Atos made me feel like a Government agency was saying that rape is ok because it doesn’t affect the victim. Is that institutionalised evil?)
I was so, so close to dying. As it was, it took me 10 months to recover to the same point as I was at before my medical, and even then I had problems with my sleep and with getting nervous even in my own home that I hadn’t had before the Atos fiasco.”
Jobcentre staff ‘sent guidelines on how to deal with claimants’ suicide threats’
“Absolutely nobody has ever seen this guidance before, leading staff to believe it has been put together ahead of the incapacity benefit and disability living allowance cuts.”
The employee, who asked to remain anonymous, said: “We were a bit shocked. Are we preparing ourselves to be like the Samaritans? The fact that we’ve dealt with the public for so many years without such guidance has made people feel a bit fearful about what’s coming.”
Julie Tipping, an appeals officer for Disability Solutions, represents claimants who try to overturn decisions made following work capability assessment tests that they are fit for work.
She says that in the last year, two of her clients have made “real attempts” at suicide after a decision was made that they were fit for work. Both were taken to hospital and subsequently sectioned.
Another jobcentre adviser said: “People have been coming off sickness benefits and thrown onto jobseeker’s allowance. It’s problematic because some customers are clearly not fit to work, and they are clearly very distressed.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/may/08/jobcentre-staff-guidelines-suicide-threats
LikeLike
@Bulanik
I have not yet read all the the links relating to this issue, but am I correct in thinking that it is most often the mentally ill who are being treated in this way?
Yes you are correct in your assumptions. Mental illness is not something that can be ‘fixed’ with bandages and a plaster, it is not something that is ‘tangible’ that can be treated. Many suffer in their own confused world. Projects like the one I was talking about were supposed to help and support them but merely left many feeling vulnerable and afraid.
LikeLike
Whitney Houston dead at 48. RIP Whitney Houston, the best, most talented singer ever.
LikeLike
The more I read this site the more I realize that it’s mainly a forum for insecure individuals to attempt to instill insecurity into others on account of their race or even gender. The “one drop rule”, “HBD”, etc . – all the same. It’s important not to get worked up over what is said here and not to attribute the hurtful attitudes expressed to entire populations (e.g. whites, blacks).
LikeLike
Wow, I can’t believe Whitney’s gone. She had this beautiful voice I’ve always admired. How sad. RIP Ms. Houston. 😦
LikeLike
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/02/12/in-memoriam-whitney-houston/
LikeLike
@Bulanik
And how do these policies affect BP particularly?
We could look at any of the posts that Abagond puts on here and make an educated guess that perceptions of BP in the main have a detrimental effect, therefore, the effects on BP in the mental health care system become manifested tenfold. Maybe Robert might be able to shed some light on specific cases??
Would I be right in thinking that mental health issues (plus knock-on effects) are going to strike these groups disproportionately?
I dont have any statistics to substantiate this, merely observations in that even in the black community, people do not understand depression and the variations of mental illness. They ‘manage’ them and ‘cope’ with them but, my experience is the BP do not want to go to the GP and ‘discuss their business’ with people, so, whilst they try to do the best they can, they may not necessarily be getting the resources they need and the support they could have and therefore the treatment they should be having to enable them to get help.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
I cant watch the clip – its disabled. Can you direct me to it any other way?
LikeLike
@abagond:
I know this is your blog, but I was hoping if it would it be okay to create a chatroom on behalf of your blog? It would be called “abagond”. People can drop by and discuss racial issues or whatever if they wish. It’s free and it’s also moderated. Would that be fine with you?
LikeLike
Darn! It didn’t.
LikeLike
@ Bulanik
“Over 80 percent of the African and Caribbean community that are in work are employed in the public sector. They were the last in and the first to go. As a result we are seeing Black women and men being made redundant in droves, the consequent effects will be devastating. Poverty breeds crime and in the UK for every 1,000 White people, there are 1.2 people in jail, for Asians that figure is 2.4, for Black people the figure is seven. Put simply, British institutional racism is the most polite and insidious type of racism you will find anywhere in the world.” – Lee Jasper
That punk Suarez was at it again yesterday.
“Luis Suarez refused to shake Patrice Evra’s hand ahead of his side’s clash with Manchester United. Police had to separate players from both Manchester United and Liverpool as emotions spilled over into violence in the tunnel at Old Trafford.”
LikeLike
@Robert
Ironically, I also have personal experience of this too as I work within the NHS and am privy to what is happening with the PCT’s. I don’t know if you watched Question Time this week but this topic has been raised here for the past couple of weeks. Anyway, One of the panelists talked about the definite need for reform but stressed that there were things of far more critical need to be addressed in the current economic situation. My interpretation of this is that it is being implemented far too quickly and that ‘we’ the public will end up paying greatly if caution is not exercised.
Overall, the ‘Reforms’ are supposed to be saving money but, the initial outlay is huge and it will be a long time, if ever before this will be re-couped. No-one is taking any notice of the fact that so far, this reform appears to be more to do with the infrastructure within the organisation and that the real heart of the NHS, the facilities, provisions etc, anything that is at the heart of patient care will be an afterthought. This is just my opinion as I have heard little to promote the improvement in services for the individual and how this will reassure or empower people personally though my initial understanding of this was that this was the intention. I am sure they think that sorting out the bureaucracy will eliminate any staffing/facility issues at ground level and OK, there is a point that the way that people at Director level are treated in comparison to ‘day to day’ staff is hugely disparate, but the Primary and most important factor as we all know is that there needs to be significant investment in improving the services/level of service, equipment, care etc to the everyday person. I am hugely concerned that this is going to be lost in amongst the Clinical Commissioning Groups (http://www.phorcast.org.uk/page.php?page_id=259) which is a new pathway for health care and inexperience and downright ignorance in some cases, will effectively flush the £100 million given to improve services down the pan (http://mediacentre.dh.gov.uk/2012/01/16/nhs-to-get-100m-cash-injection-to-improve-services/). I only say this because my understanding thus far certainly at local level, is that some GP’s are not comprehending the extent and the responsibility that the PCT’s have undertaken over the years.
Lets hope that going forward, this does NOT mirror the situation of UNUM in the example you have given and that they have learned lessons from this!
LikeLike
@ Demerera
“Lets hope that going forward, this does NOT mirror the situation of UNUM in the example you have given and that they have learned lessons from this!”
I hope so. I have no problem with genuine reform but I don’t trust the Tories with the NHS or with anything really. I believe that what Daniel Hannan Tory MEP said on Fox News “the NHS is a “60 year mistake that I wouldn’t wish on anyone” is how they really feel about it and I believe that they intend to destroy and privatise it by stealth. David Cameron promised that there would be “no top down reorganizations of the NHS” during the election campaign and used his dead disabled son to reassure people that he could be trusted on the NHS and he is now breaking his promise by implementing these “reforms”.
LikeLike
What say you, abagond? Chatroom or no chatroom? If you say, yes, I have something already in mind. Please oh please. Pretty please? With sugar on top?
LikeLike
In case you missed what I had suggested earlier, abagond. 😀
LikeLike
@ Leigh
No thanks. If it has my name on it I want to be able to control and currently I am stretched pretty thin.
LikeLike
@Abagond:
I understand. However, if you don’t mind, may I create a chatroom of my own, but with some made up name? It’s kind of like your blog. This chatroom will be a place for civil discussion for people who want to talk about racial matters. I would like to invite people from here. Would that be ok with you?
LikeLike
That is fine.
LikeLike
@ All
The embedded videos on this page has made it almost unusable by me and probably most others: it loads very slowly and has crashed my browser twice.
I am going to delete all the videos, past, present and future, on this thread.
Thank you.
LikeLike
@abagond:
Really?! That’s awesome! Thank you! Thank you! 😀
Alright people. If anyone is serious about certain topics that matter to them, no matter what it is, please come to this new chat I created. Trolls will not be tolerated. You have to register first so no one can impersonate you. I hope this works out well. 😀
http://mibbit.com/?channel=%23chitchat&server=irc.mibbit.net
LikeLike
Oops, I forgot to mention where you should sign up first. My sincere apologies to all.
http://www.mibbit.com/signup.html
After you sign up, you will be directed to another part with different channels.
The channel you want is named “chitchat”.
Please type this channel to enter the chatroom: #chitchat.
I can’t wait to see you guys there. 😀
LikeLike
Thanks for being understanding, I basically had another nervous breakdown, feeling sad it is hard to reach a common ground sometimes.
-tc
LikeLike
Hey Abagond,
I saw this last night. It may interest you.
http://www.slaverybyanothername.com/
LikeLike
I almost forgot. Happy Valentine’s Day everyone! Whether you’re single or with a significant other, spend your time with the people you care about. Love is where it’s at. 😀
LikeLike
@leigh204:
Thanks. U2.
LikeLike
@ Leigh
😉
LikeLike
Leigh204, um, we need more people at your chitchat room. Umm, just a suggestion, perhaps more posters will drop by if they know that they are anonymous.
LikeLike
@Nom De Plume:
@Matari:
Thank you. 😀
@Jack in the Box:
With this particular chat site, registering your screen name (the one you use on abagond), helps prevent others from impersonating you. I’ve been on a few chatroom sites where I’ve been impersonated. (Creepy, huh?) Also, this helps with managing trolls. I hope I’ve provided the answer you needed. Btw, it was really great chatting with you. Let’s do it again sometime. 😀
LikeLike
I second this! I think that would make for a very interesting post.
@ Abagond
I’ve noticed that, when I have posted links to videos on youtube, it automatically embeds the video in the thread and that does slow things down a lot. When I read the old open thread, it always took ages to load. Do you know if there’s a way to keep a video link as just a link?
LikeLike
@ doug
As for the issue of race and IQ:
One: First, you have to define what race is, if it actually exists, how many races there are and who exactly is a part of each race. Also, acknowledging people who are mixed race as a separate category.
Two: You must establish that IQ is quantifiable in a written test form.
Three: You must establish a test that is unbiased to all groups of human beings.
Four: Tests must be given by people who are completely unbiased to their results (good luck on that one).
Five: Tests must be scored by similarly unbiased individuals.
Six: If dependencies are found, an effort must be made to determine the EXACT cause – social, physical, cultural or otherwise.
Seven: Tests should be used to advance Humanity, not manipulate, create scapegoats or destroy ethnic/racial groups.
Once you provide proof and sources of proof of these seven issues, then we can talk about race and IQ. If not, I have nothing more to say to you.
LikeLike
That would be Skip Gates.
We actually used rooftop farming for poor people in the garrisons. This allowed us to beat the problem of urban tree canopies.
I personally feel it is not just racism, but a quota system that encourages police to harass the weak and defenseless. I also believe that the fix lies at the Federal level, not at the state or city. Unless Federal has a stake in the prison industrial complex
You will notice that actual criminals are arrested and tried for publicity purposes, but innocent people are killed and framed.
Such a situation would be more relevant in a country like Jamaica, however, de-industrialsation due to neo-liberal policies has had the same result as in the US. Thus there are no more factories. That is why I will go o at a later time to suggest job certifications, and industries that black men can aspire to, even with a prison conviction.
And this is why I hate rappers and other entertainment coons with the heat of a thousand suns. You’re a damn millionaire, and you’ve never even bought out a police precinct, much less lobbied your local politician. No. You’re on mixtapes,
cooning yourself like a damn monkey. Phuck these clowns. And the BET owner giving Al Sharpton money for his presidential run sure as hell dont count.
Look at the conservatives. That’s not a political activism, that’s political machinery. An ideology united around business owners, public intellectuals and political and economic think-tanks. That’s how you make a movement in the 21st century. Not this Marcus Garvey MLK crap.
I will continue to post my ideas at random in the Open Thread.
LikeLike
Abagond could you post something about this term i’ve been hearing? it is “anti racist is anti white.” It seems like it would be an interesting topic.
LikeLike
@Robert
I believe that what Daniel Hannan Tory MEP said on Fox News “the NHS is a “60 year mistake that I wouldn’t wish on anyone” is how they really feel about it and I believe that they intend to destroy and privatise it by stealth.
Yeah, I bet he’s got Private Health care so he can afford to make those kind of damning statements cant he. *SMH*
LikeLike
This aired in the U.K. on Monday
Poverty In America.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73UBl68icjw)
LikeLike
@ Abagond I only posted the link and it embedded itself.
LikeLike
Hi Abagond,
Regarding the Tuskegee Airmen: Your statement that the Tuskegee Airmen were the first to escort American heavy bombers to Berlin is not true. For the record, the first American full-scale daylight bombing mission to Berlin was flown on 6 March 1944 and the bombers were escorted by American fighter planes based in England. The Tuskegee Airmen/332nd Fighter Group were based in Italy and in March were not yet equipped with the long range P-51 Mustang. At the time they were flying equally important missions in the Mediterranean theater of operations. The 332nd began receiving the new Mustang Fighters in June 1944 and by July began flying long range bomber escort missions. It was between July 1944 and May 1945 that they were nicknamed “Red Tailed Angels” by the bomber crews they were protecting.
I’d also like to say that I am flattered that you have used my painting which features my late friend Lt. Charles P. Bailey in his P-51 nicknamed “My Buddy” which was what he called his father. The painting is entitled “The Shepherd” and it would be nice if you could include the title in your caption.
Blue Skies,
Troy White http://www.starduststudios.com
LikeLike
@ Troy White
I updated the post accordingly:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/tuskegee-airmen/
I love your painting. Thank you for painting it and allowing me to use it.
LikeLike
@Robert:
Thanks for the UK vid. It put a different face on poverty in America. American media would have selectively shown mostly poor blacks. This would leave the impression on those who don’t think for themselves that blacks are shiftless, lazy folks who don’t want to work or otherwise “help themselves.”
LikeLike
I didnt realise that Chris Eubank’s son was a boxer until tonight….
LikeLike
This is interesting, yet not so surprising.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/intelligence-study-links-prejudice_n_1237796.html
LikeLike
This question is for Mik:
What is racism?
LikeLike
brothawolf
What is racism? racism is when a person or people dont like the other culture and are not willing to accept mixed racial kids and people. Racism is when the blacks say we need the one drop rule racism is when the whites will disown there children if there children marry black racism is when blacks tell there kids you are white and black but you must identify with ONLY black Racism is when a jewish family wont allow there children to marry christains and and celebrate both religions. Racism is when my nephews say there not chinese because its freaky. thats racism
LikeLike
What is racism? racism is when a person or people dont like the other culture and are not willing to accept mixed racial kids and people. Racism is when the blacks say we need the one drop rule racism is when the whites will disown there children if there children marry black racism is when blacks tell there kids you are white and black but you must identify with ONLY black Racism is when a jewish family wont allow there children to marry christains and and celebrate both religions. Racism is when my nephews say there not chinese because its freaky. thats racism
And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen!
Mik, racism is when society produces a system of institutions that oppress groups of people because of the false concept of race which is mainly all about color. Clear examples of racism is seen in politics, the media, the economy, jobs, careers, corporations, the so-called justice system, and it can even be environmental and religious.
Also, like Abagond said in another post, racism can be inverted so that people will hate others of the same background or hate themselves in general. As such those people will oppress their own for the sake of raising to the top.
As for your answer…dude, seriously, are you looking for some kind of sympathy when you constantly point the finger at blacks more than you do whites and crying about how they’ve treated you in the past?
LikeLike
What are you trying to write about?
LikeLike
@ Peanut
I added your new blog:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/some-links/
LikeLike
Brothawolf I agree with some of the points you present but how has the color of a person skin hindered the blacks in america versus t he blacks in Britain? I do agree with some SOME of the statements not all. I would say its not racism but more bias since we PEOPLE have not seen other groups of people like Chinese Japanese etc etc. Like having a story about a white African who lives in america but is african by culture or a british black living in america or vice versa. yeah but its more bias not racism. Since why is there not more chinese clothing and chinese things besides just the chinese martial arts going to get the soy suace for chinese food. Alot of full blood chinese dont go for chinese food.
I do agree with abagond on SOME Of those statements. Well how do we stop that? So in Hollyweird it is not raising to the top because of your race?
I could tell you the same THING!!! You point the finger all at whites and not to yourself. you make websites like this and cant handle the heat when i present it. YOu do have good points but race is a very complex and so is sexual orientation.
LikeLike
Mik,
Here’s a suggestion, why don’t you research for the answers you ask.
The color of a person’s skin determines how much value you have in a color-coded society. White skin means that you are priceless whereas black skin means you are worthless. Black people have to work twice or even three times as hard to get the same kind of respect that white workers get. Why? Because of the social stereotype that blacks are generally lazy when historically speaking we worked our asses off. Still, whites back then didn’t regard us as human beings worthy of dignity or respect no matter how hard blacks worked. Black people have worked beyond human limits but still got f*cked in the ass by whites and were, and still are today, expected to be cool about it.
You may call it bias. I call it racism. No matter what you call bullshit, it still stinks. And that stench is still fouling up the air.
I do not point the finger at all whites. I do not lump them all into one homogeneous group. But since they have the right to tell everyone how much they dislike whites, I have the same damn right to tell them what their problem is. What they say is usually based on myths and lies. What I say is based on truth and experience.
I also point the finger at ourselves when I feel the need to, but I don’t tell them how bad they are without figuring out the reasons why. I don’t come off as better than they are and tell them they need to get it together when I’m no better off. I tell it like it is and even include myself in my posts.
Mik, you seriously think what you’ve presented to me was heat. It wasn’t even tepid, my friend.
I will, however, agree that race and sexual orientation are complicated issues. That’s why I always state how I’m NO EXPERT. I give my views and if I’m right, I’m right. If not, I stand corrected and learn something. I don’t come off at the offensive whining and condemning anyone who disagrees with me. That’s a childish move. I open my mind, something you need to do if you are to ever be taken seriously here or anywhere. Straight up.
LikeLike
@ abagond, have you read anyhting from this site? i think it might be an interesting topic to write about.
http://www.antiwhitemedia.com/2011/03/racemixing-euphoria.html
LikeLike
Abagond,
I’m white. Your blog and ones like it have changed my life. I’ve realized I have no redeemable cultural identity, that everything I am comes at the direct/indirect expense of POC, and that I will never stop being this way, no matter how hard I fight.
I am everything that’s wrong with the world.
Removing myself from the planet is really the best thing I could do for anyone. The world doesn’t need any more white scum cowards.
LikeLike
@ indigo
Sorry, but that is how a four-year-old or an autistic child talks: if you say anything bad about them they think that there is nothing good about them at all.
LikeLike
Have you guys seen the new angle the Birthers are using now? Apparently Obama can’t run for president again because he’s a mulatto:
http://newblackwoman.com/2012/02/23/just-when-you-thought-the-birther-movement-was-over/
LikeLike
Abagond,
I would love it if you wrote a book review for the historical work “New York Burning.” I read it a couple years ago for a class I had taken and it was extremely eye-opening.
Cheers,
JT
LikeLike
@ Peanut
Thanks for the video! What a great model for SELF-RELIANCE!
The only thing I would change in what they are doing is to keep the conversation internal to the Black community because some Whites will use it to cry reverse racism.
@ Abagond
Are you still going to do a post on self-reliance?
LikeLike
@ Abagond
I just saw the movie ‘Act of Valor’ which used real active duty SEAL operators and I noticed there were two Black SEAL operators on the team. It got me thinking, what is your take on the psyche of modern day Black soldiers in the elite branches of the military? Why do you think they do it? Do you think they compartmentalize how they are treated in this society from their dedication to this country?
LikeLike
From the post Racist White Teen Girls
Bulanik said:
Perception of what is white and white enough does vary from continent to continent, or even Caribbean island to Caribbean island
Some commenters (especially the ‘whitest’, self-brainwashed, diaper-wearing ones) who know only the cursory history of nations (and Caribbean islands), and who may not have traveled outside the US, or even may have done so – but have learned nothing from their travels – don’t realize what they sound like, do they?
I have met so called ‘white’ people who have been more than a little bit touched with the tar brush, who are the most proud, patriotic ‘white’ people you could ever meet. Raise anything to do with the hue of their skin, even if its talking about how good a tan they have and they will re-direct the conversation to some ‘other’ minority group as quick as a flash, such is the fear of probing in to their, always uncertain racial background. Nevertheless for all intents and purposes, they are accepted within the white community and their so called ‘swarthy’ babies are too.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
They are so completely desperate for acceptance into the White Club.
Poor creatures.
Are they really accepted, in the end?
Or, do they just keep the truth of their origins like a dirty secret?
They will go to great lengths to keep it a secret because if they dont, it makes them vulnerable, a target in the way that they have witnessed that those who obviously accepting of their racial identity of POC have been.
I know one such example where a blokes extremely dark ‘white’ hue was disregarded as ‘his parents are both white’ we were told. It later transpired that he was adopted by these white parents so did not know his real racial heritage but he had merely worked hard to ‘pass’ and ‘be accepted’ over the years by vehmently rejecting anything that would link him with any race other than white.
On the surface they are accepted but, they always live in fear that with any ‘wrong doing’ they do, they will be called out on this by their white peers in the most horrible racially motivated way.
What are your thoughts on this?
Have you ever seen the film Imitation of Life? This is an excellent example of this.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Yes, I have read and heard this too. This is not uncommon though is it. I read that Cliff Richard got teased and bullied because of his dark skin. Freddie Mercury on the other hand was ‘accepted’ by the masses as being a WM even though his mother looked nothing other than the Indian woman that she is/was.
This is just an example of how ‘colourblind’ people choose to be when they feel that certain people are an ‘asset’ to their race dont you think?
LikeLike
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lTHiObYX1o)
This song penetrates the soul.
LikeLike
@ Bulanik,
I am not too sure. I think i just become enraptured with the song itself without understanding what it is about. I should search it.
LikeLike
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPGbAUDhAxg)
Vs.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTk_KirTBVE)
Tough call! I think Bob Marley eeks it out for me but Peter Tosh’s is addictive in its own right.
LikeLike
Please use video links sparingly on the Open Thread. Unfortunately they auto-embed. Too many of them will make this page too slow to be usable and I will have to start deleting them. Their use on other pages is not a big deal since they rarely have so many comments
LikeLike
@Abagond
Following the 2 seemingly hostile comments on the ‘Teenage Girls’ thread about commenters from outside the U.S, I am interested to know what percentage of commenters are from U.S vs The rest of the world.
Do you have any ideas what the % is?
LikeLike
I don’t know if this is news or not, but Thordaddy’s been trolling around in other blogs saying the same nonsense. It’s either that or there is are a lot of ignorant white supremacist whiners named “Thordaddy”:
http://theblacksentinel.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/thordaddy-white-privilege-at-its-worst/
http://thequestionableauthority.blogspot.com/2006….ce.html
http://holyhell.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/au-revoir-thordaddy/
In the second link, it mentions how he used to be on Big Man’s blog at Raving Black Lunatic.
Again, I don’t know if it’s the same Thordaddy that comes here with his rants against liberalism and support of (white) supremacy, but one thing’s for sure, Thordaddy is an unpopular name in the blogosphere.
LikeLike
@brothawolf
It seems that the individual doth protest too much…..something to hide maybe???
LikeLike
Has anyone seen this article about the white slave children of New Orleans?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/white-slave-children-of-n_n_1307127.html
LikeLike
Sorry I have to link to this song. Maybe it will change some minds (i.e. racists).
=D
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__1GvhLTEcc[/url]
Cheers,
JT
LikeLike
@ to chill out the negative vibrations on this board and across the world.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__1GvhLTEcc[/url]
LikeLike
Joke of the day:-
I was walking down the street with my wife earlier when she accused me of being ashamed to be seen with her. “That’s absolute bollox” I replied……….by text from across the street.
😉
LikeLike
I think this is a great photographer, wanted to share his link:
http://www.pagreene-photographer.com/
LikeLike
Everyone:
I just have a brief moment for an update as I sit next to my mom’s bedside while she’s sleeping. As for some of the regulars here, you guys know I’ve been talking about my mom’s battle against cancer since last year.
Well, little by little her body’s been shutting down, and she has stopped taking her pain medication. She also has stopped eating and drinking. My mom hasn’t open her eyes for the past two days and hasn’t responded to my voice. I don’t know if she’s aware of her surroundings. However, I believe she is and I talk to her.
I told her she is very strong to have come this far. How proud I am of her for fighting with all her might and what an incredible woman she is. I also told her I love her very much and how much the rest of the family loves her and we will never forget her.
As I’m watching my mom take shallower breaths now, I wonder is it almost time? As much as I will miss her, I hope when her time comes, she’ll finally be at peace. Thanks to all who have been sending their thoughts, and prayers to my mom. I appreciate it.
~Leilani
LikeLike
@Leigh204:
I know this is a hard time. Praying for your mom and your family.
LikeLike
Leigh
Sending prayer and warm thoughts …
LikeLike
@Leigh, you are in my thoughts and prayers, it must be so hard for you, I know in my heart that your mother is comforted by you being with her..
LikeLike
@Leigh
I echo the above sentiments – thinking of you. x
LikeLike
I will pray for you and your mother and your family. Like Bulanik says, take care of yourself.
LikeLike
Someone mind explaining to me the premise of the “Vampire Diaries” series? Is it a vampires-go-to-high-school type soap opera?
TIA
LikeLike
My thoughts are with you, take care of yourself.
LikeLike
Sending out thoughts of peace & comfort for Rosario, and of strength for Leigh and the family.
LikeLike
@ Leigh
I will ask the Great Spirit to comfort her and you during this difficult time.
LikeLike
Many, many thanks to my lovely, fellow posters for your kind words. It means so much to me especially at this time.
LikeLike
Leigh,
You are in my thoughts. I wish you, your mother, and your family much strength in comfort in this difficult time.
*Sends a hug in spirit*
LikeLike
@ Leigh,
I hope for the best for you and your mother. Tranquility to all of your loved ones in this difficult time.
LikeLike
@ Peanut
Yes, I got it and replied.
LikeLike
What do you guys think about this:
http://www.whataboutourdaughters.com/waod/2012/3/2/kaiser-foundation-declares-war-on-black-women-call-650-854-9.html
LikeLike
@Leigh
I send lots of strength and comfort and hope for you and your family during this time. Keep your head up.
LikeLike
Hello everyone. It is with great sadness and a heavy heart that I post this. My mama Rose passed away early this morning. She fought a valiant battle against cancer, but her fight is over now. I’m truly thankful my mom is no longer in pain. She’s finally at peace. It’s so surreal. I mean, she was there, and now she’s not. I held her hand against my face and I told her I loved her. I am so grateful to have spent time with her. She knew until the very end that she was loved. I miss her so much. I will always cherish those wonderful times with my mom. I’m blessed to have my own angel watching over me. *sigh* Oh mama! I miss you very much! You are with me in my heart…forever…and always. Until we meet again, mama .
LikeLike
I’m very sorry to hear about your loss Leigh. My sincerest condolences.
LikeLike
My deepest condolences Leigh! Take care!
LikeLike
@Leigh204:
I’m so sorry! Your Mom sounds like a wonderful woman. I’m glad you got to spend quality time with her. You, your family and friends remain in my prayers.
LikeLike
Your mom couldn’t have asked for a more devoted, loving daughter and family.
I am deeply sorry Leigh.
LikeLike
@ Leigh
Know that you are in my prayers tonight.
LikeLike
@Leigh
Deepest sypmpathies to you at this time. Do take care Leigh, god bless you and your family.
X
LikeLike
@ Leigh,
I hope you and your loved ones are okay. =D
LikeLike
Just have to post this very interesting article about the decline of the GOP.
http://nymag.com/print/?/news/features/gop-primary-chait-2012-3/
LikeLike
@ Leigh
I know this is a terrible time for you. But after you get through it you will see how fortunate you were to have had such a good mother for as long as you did. And even though she is physically gone her wisdom will be with you all the rest of your days.
LikeLike
Have you guys seen this:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q_AHJQiMxIw)
LikeLike
@ Leigh204
I am sorry for your loss.
LikeLike
More on that racist judge and the good possibility that he is staying on the bench:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/02/us/montana-judge-racist-message/index.html?hpt=us_c2
LikeLike
@Robert
Hey – how goes it? I see you posted recently 🙂 are you always on here taking a more voyeuristic stance or do you just pop on every now and again?
LikeLike
@ Demerera
Hey Demerera I’m good thanks how you doing? Voyeuristic? hmmm that sounds like a peeping Tom lol. Yeah I’ve been lurking recently. You hear about the Tories latest plans to privatise the police? The police are dangerous enough as they are now. It’s getting beyond the joke now *Smh*.
LikeLike
@Robert
Voyeuristic? hmmm that sounds like a peeping Tom lol
(Leers suggestively….) lol,
You hear about the Tories latest plans to privatise the police? The police are dangerous enough as they are now. It’s getting beyond the joke now *Smh*.
Yes I did. I was watching Question Time the other day and they alluded to this here. It doesnt surprise me, the Police have been held to account for much of their actions over the past few years which in turn has seen as significant loss of confidence and respect from the masses etc.
What better way to superficially bring this back than privatising and having ‘spin doctors’ work heavily on promoting you whilst hiding any of the negative and nasty things they do.
Working in the Public Secto there is clearly to much onus and responsibility even though IMO they still get too much leeway.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Following on from our conversation on the Satoshi Kanzawa thread, I am currently watching a programme called Toddlers and Tiara’s which focuses on the beauty pageant scene in the US.
Blimey, talk about highly driven by looks not to mention the worrying ‘swimwear’ round – what the hell is all that about?
I am also amazed at the amount of Black Children that compete in these competitions and win. Is there maybe an emerging appreciation of Black Beauty do you think?
What do you/other commenters think about pageants in general? Some of the parents say that it helps to give the child confidence….
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Black children in these competitions? Really?
What do their mothers have to say?
They are quite diverse in their racial mix – some pure black children and other what the Americans call ‘Bi Racial’ according to their mothers though overwhelmingly the contestants are white.
Surprisingly (to me anyway) the mothers of the Bi racial children are both BW and WW. They revel in the whole contesting scene. Many of the mothers have let themselves go and dont take care of themselves, presumably pouring all their energies into their little girls. There is a little girl on there called Anna Marie and another mixed race girl called Mya who see each other as competition. The programme is focusing on the former child (her dad is Italian) – the mother thrives on the whole thing even talking about the fact that her husband and she separated for a time as he doesnt like the pageant scene and he told her to chose so she told him ‘bye bye’ but he came back cos he couldnt get enough of her. He does not feature in the programme like the majority of the other dads have done in the past.
Most of the mothers are ‘pushy’ to some extent. It is rare that I have watched these programmes and seen a relaxed mother who is doing it to support a child and empower them – it is usually the mothers who are driven and desperate to prove something via their kid
LikeLike
@ Demerera,
LOL. Cracking up on your comments about Toddlers and Tiaras. From a sociological perspective, I thought that child beauty pageants were a white trash america phenomenon. I didn;’t realize that child beauty pageants had seeped into sub-cultures of the black community as well. Do you think that based on the way they are judging (i.e. THE WHITE GAZE), that Black toddlers should be complimented by winning a lot of the trophies?
Part of me thinks they should be insulted. I could understand if toddlers and tiaras was “Adolescents and beauty crowns” and all the Black adolescents won or typical beauty pageants, but i feel like this competition judges children in all the wrong ways.
I don’t know — I hate coming off inegalitarian, i just think like for that example of that white mother that dressed her toddler girl up in julie roberts’ “Pretty Woman” hooker ware … you have all the wrong messages to that little toddler there in every single way.
I do love me some hoarders though. Even though it’s pretty grotesque too. :$
JT
LikeLike
Abagond,
Can i request something written on contemporary Confederate culture in middle, northern, or in the deep south, of the USA? It fascinates me that these values, customs, ideologies STILL EXIST and seem to have grown more boisterous with the rise of the first Black president.
JT
LikeLike
@ JT
Do you mean the neo-Confederates or what?
LikeLike
@JT
From a sociological perspective, I thought that child beauty pageants were a white trash america phenomenon. I didn;’t realize that child beauty pageants had seeped into sub-cultures of the black community as well.
I did too but realise my grasp of the American culture is not that great other than what I see on the TV/Read/what comes up with my siblings father who is American.
Do you think that based on the way they are judging (i.e. THE WHITE GAZE), that Black toddlers should be complimented by winning a lot of the trophies?
Hmmm. I think that whilst ideologies about black female beauty are often bandied around seemingly in the negative by WP in the US, the real and hidden feeling behind most is a secret envy/desire for some of the physical attributes of the BW. That is quite a sweeping statement and I dont think ALL aspire to this but, something that has been raised on here time and time again (most recently by Bulanik) is the availability of enhancing cosmetic surgery procedures that women are undergoing to either give them a bigger pout, emphasises their backsides etc – both attributes commonly associated with BW but also open to criticism by white detractors (on the surface anyway). So, should they be complimented? I think what the most important thing for those children competing is that they go in with a sense of self and come out with a greater sense of self regardless of the outcome i.e. win or lose. In other words, dont get bogged down with what after all is only superficial and transient and is down to personal taste and perception. Dont let it be the definitive, the be all and end all. I guess this doesnt answer the question fully JT but thats because I have such mixed feelings about the whole thing. The only reasonably good thing about this competition is that they do try to ensure that everyone ges some prize or other it seems.
Part of me thinks they should be insulted. I could understand if toddlers and tiaras was “Adolescents and beauty crowns” and all the Black adolescents won or typical beauty pageants, but i feel like this competition judges children in all the wrong ways.
What is most disturbing to me is the amount of make up, the lengths they will go to i.e. false eyelashes, fake tan, flippers for their teeth. These are children but they are treated like little dollies.
I dislike the whole swimwear aspect of it – what is this about? Judging children on their figures????? I dont believe it about the Julia Roberts thing – I havent seen that one.
What do you think of the WHOLE idea of judging a female on their looks poise etc JT? Are you one of these men who love the Miss World contests like a lot of guys do? I dont mind these type of competitions at all, after all, you get individuals who KNOW whats what rather than the kids who are often coerced/forced/pushed in to it
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Here is Anna Marie in action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McQYIjqfJ7Y)
(I hope this doesnt embed)
or here (http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/tv/toddlers-tiaras/toddlers-and-tiaras-pictures.htm)
The Black mothers feel a sense of pride of course. I dont get the sense that when or if their children dont place where they want them to, that any underlying prejudice or foul play is involved – they seem to feel that in terms of competition its a level playing field.
LikeLike
@ JT
Do you mean the neo-Confederates or what?
—
Hi Abagond,
I keep thinking about contemporary confederate ideology looking for an outlet in political America. There is this clearly hateful stirring in populations of white americans across the USA.For me, one testament of this confederate mentality is by examining the viability of Sarah Palin in 2012 or 2016 America. She still catches the ear of so many right-wingers.
There are so many political scandals, “gotcha moments” to dismiss her as a folksy yoohoo.
However she is still the centre of political attention (i.e. at their CPAC convention even while they have this new choice Mitt Romney; in that new film “Game Change”).
It is not just her, but it is her rhetoric. She plays carelessly with themes and tropes to convey her message. You hear her talking about “A” but she is talking in “B”. She knows she’s doing it but she puts no gravitas to the effects it has on historically oppressed groups.
She is a sociological phenomenon that is waiting to be written about in *MUCH* greater detail. I think that sociological construct could be contemporary confederate culture in the 21st century. How it manifests itself etc.
LikeLike
@ Demerera
“”
In other words, dont get bogged down with what after all is only superficial and transient and is down to personal taste and perception. Dont let it be the definitive, the be all and end all. I guess this doesnt answer the question fully JT but thats because I have such mixed feelings about the whole thing. The only reasonably good thing about this competition is that they do try to ensure that everyone ges some prize or other it seems.
“”
And here is my problem Demerera:
We know the social reality: looks matter on an EVERY DAY BASIS.
A testament to this phenomenon is the prevalence of plastic surgery for lips @$$, botox, face lift whatever, like the such you were explaining about. Or even the concept of tanning. I mean here whites and others in a constant struggle with how they appear vs. how they want to be treat. There is the anecdotal and sociological data for the superficiality that prevails much of society.
Should children, White or Black, be prepared for this Darwinistic reality of the thriving of the fittest from the earliest point in our life spans?
I don’t know.
My thought is that the earlier thsi lesson is taught, the better.
HOWEVER…
don’t teach your child it in their infancy on television, through a public competition.
That is a bizarre and ritualistic punishment.
Just my opinion. No offense to anyone that disagrees.
As far as my personal tastes…
I consider myself asexual. I am not really interested in sex *THAT* much. I think that these women are beautiful but there is something about them that is plastic too that is not altogether appealing.
I did *LOVE* our current Miss Universe though: My roommate watches the competition and salivates the whole time and I thought that Miss Angola was the most stunning.
Visually speaking and PERSONALITY. You couldnt help but fall in love with her.
Everything about her seemed so purely natural.
I hope she doesn’t change that.
Naturalness & sincerity is much more attractive in my opinion.
LikeLike
@Doug1
In response to this comment on the Black People according to the 1911 Brittannica
It does and men generally have to take up to slack. Although it’s not as fraught to fire a white woman as it is a black of either gender, it’s a lot more fraught than firing a white man.
‘Affirmative action’ – The whole purpose of which is to re-dress the balance. It should NOT be used exploited and abused but should merely be a sageguarding measure to ensure that consistency is practised ALL across the board and that deliberate discrimination no longer occurs. It ensures that individuals are sought on merit experience and potential ability/suitability to the role, not particularly on their ethnicity/race. Instead of thinking of this legislation in derisive terms, perhaps we have to look at WHY it has been felt necessary to implement it in the first place…
Your comments suggest that there a particular trend in POC going to tribunal as opposed to white people in an employment situation in the U.S – maybe, just maybe in some cases there is credence to this.
From my own experience, I worked with a guy (white) who’s father ran a successful business. He told me that his dad would screen CV’s and categorically disregard any applicant who had an asian/foreign sounding name!
You see why this is necessary?
In my organisation, applicants are not identifiable – they are merely a number and their experience, qualifications are all that the recruiting manager sees prior to interview.
Suffice to say Doug I think I can see where this is leading to. I get the distinct impression that you are not being honest with yourself but nevertheless it comes through in your commentary albeit unwittingly maybe. I suggest that you think carefully. Any minute smidgen of tolerance or credibility you may have had will disappear very quickly if you take this conversation to the depths of which I suspect you are capable of.
LikeLike
Demerera:
I deleted that comment from the Britannica thread because there it is off topic.
LikeLike
@JT
Should children, White or Black, be prepared for this Darwinistic reality of the thriving of the fittest from the earliest point in our life spans?
I agree. It is a tricky one isnt it. Unfortunately though if you dont teach kids to compete on some level and keep up, there is the danger of them being left far behind. My children attended a school which didnt believe in competitive sports! I disagreed wholeheartedly – not because I suspect that I have mini Uswain Bolts/Jessica Ennis/Steve Crams whoever, in the making but because for those children who are less academically inclined, the sports field can be the making of them. Though my eldest has since discovered an ability on the track field which clearly was not picked up in primary school and has only emerged since secondary school. Academic ability was always extremely high anyway so I guess I was less worried here.
So what to do? I guess its important to try and get a balance regardless and most importanty to ensure that understanding occurs.
don’t teach your child it in their infancy on television, through a public competition.
I definately agree with this .
Miss Universe aye…
(http://shinymeteor.blogspot.com/2010/12/latest-news-on-miss-universe-2011-meet.html)
This lady? OMG, she and I are doppelgangers man 😉
LikeLike
LOL! Yeah but Leila doesn’t have an ounce of Demerera in her ;). Leila is completely missing out in those infinite respects.
People are best when they are comfortable with themselves as they are.
At least I enjoy talking to them when what they say is based on who they are and what they believe and what they’ve experienced.
Just my opinion.
LikeLike
@JT
Yeah but Leila doesn’t have an ounce of Demerera in her . Leila is completely missing out in those infinite respects.
Bless your heart. She is a gorgeous looking individual isnt she – from what you have said about her personality she certainly seems to have it all 🙂
LikeLike
@ SomeGuy, Herneith, Nom De Plume, Jack in the Box, truthbetold, Peanut, Bulanik, Demerera, JT, abagond, Robert, and all the rest of you wonderful commenters:
Thank you so much for all the well wishes and expressions of condolence to me, and my family at this time. Although I’m saddened, still a bit dazed, and exhausted, I’m especially touched by the kind, and thoughtful comments posted here throughout the times of my mom’s cancer diagnosis, treatments, and passing. I know this is only online, but you guys don’t realize the impact your words have on me. It comforts me. The woman I am today, I owe it all to my mama. Even if you don’t believe in God, I just want to say bless you all fine people. 😀
Here’s a pic of me and my mama when she was first diagnosed.
LikeLike
@Leigh
I’m so glad the comments on here gave you some solace through this time in your life. I thank you for sharing the photo on here too – its beautiful and shows the love expressed between you and your mum. I agree with what you say about mums too – My mother is the strongest and most fearless woman I know. If I could be half the magnificent woman that she is I will be content.
With love x
LikeLike
@ Leigh
I’m actually crying right now. Your picture has touched me so profoundly.
God Bless you and your family through this difficult time.
LikeLike
@ Leigh
What a gorgeous woman your mother is! I am sure that that external beauty is reflected by her internal (therefore ETERNAL) beauty.
I hope that you are finding solace in your endless supply of wonderful moments had with your mother. She is with you through every moment of your life before and after her passing. Always by your side!!! =)
LikeLike
Interesting article on today’s culture wars and the new direction they are headed:
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/03/the-culture-war-tide-is-turning.html
LikeLike
@Leigh204:
I’m glad our words and prayers give you comfort. Thanks for sharing that wonderful photo. Your mom is beautiful.
LikeLike
@ JT
Is it a wonder why our nation is so vile? Words have more power than we care to admit. When taken to heart, the violence erupts in our schools, places of worship and workplaces. Then everyone wonders “why?”
LikeLike
Leigh,
I just got here this evening and read the news. I’m sorry to hear that your mom passed away. I hope you and your family are doing okay through this difficult time. You are in my thoughts.
Thanks for the beautiful picture of your mom.
*hugs*
LikeLike
@ Truthbetold
Agreed. I only expect it to get worse. People seem to be polarizing like they have before at fever pitch points in history. At least in the USA.
How high does the tension get until someone breaks and does something very stupid?
I myself have engaged in the same heightened debate in here. I hope that even in debating with these “enemies” I can remain civil and not stoke the flames of ire. Sometimes it is hard to control my tongue. These people get me really offended, hurt, and disappointed. They seem to be oblivious to the feelings of other people. I am part of them by the perceptions of people who categorize me, featurally, as like them.
This is a perpetual dilemma.
LikeLike
I start paying attention to this thread only to read about what Leigh is going through, that’s so heart wrenching. I really have no words, I’m just rooting for you and your family.
LikeLike
@ Leigh204
Dear Leigh,
I did not read the news until now. I am so sorry for your loss. I’ve never met you and I do not know you well, but I cried when I read it. I have lost a loved one to cancer before and even though we know the day when they will no longer be on this Earth is inevitable, it does feel strange. One moment they are there and the next they are not… All we’re left with are belongings and our memories and, in the beginning, it is so hard to let go of them.
When I look at the photo of your mother, I see a strong, courageous and very optimistic woman. I do not know if this is true, but that’s a feeling I get. When I read your posts, I think you have taken after your mother in that sense and I hope these qualities will help you through the difficult times ahead. It may be impossible to see it now, but one day you will be able to think of your mother without pain and have only a smile on your face for all the love and wonderful things she brought into your life.
If you need anyone to talk to, Leigh, there are plenty of people who are willing to lend an ear here.
Take care and stay strong!
LikeLike
@ Leigh
What beautiful picture!
LikeLike
@Leigh:
My deepest condolences on your immeasurable loss. My thoughts are with you! From a fellow Canuck.
LikeLike
Scanned from a 2010 senior University Child Abnormal Psychology textbook:
http://www5.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=5933551027/a=9294473027_9294473027/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish/
LikeLike
Abagond,
I wonder if you would be willing to take a look at my article, appearing this week in The Austin Times – the multi-cultural newspaper of Austin, Texas.
http://theaustintimes.com/2012/03/living-with-the-legacy-of-white-privilege/
the article will trace my white privilege starting from my ancestor born the year the slaves had their rights restored all the way up to when I married my husband. I’ll be pointing out all the ways my family benefited and my husbands family was oppressed by US policies.
When my husband and I met, I had a Masters degree and a high paying job. He had a crack addiction and a long felony rap sheet. my goal is to show how policies and laws led us to where we ended up. My husband and I both have high IQs but were both poor students.
My articles will avoid talking about self-esteem and other intangible effects of racism. It will focus entirely on laws because I think I can make a much stronger case that way.
Anyway, if you can take a look, I would appreciate your thoughts.I am a frequent reader of your blog and have a lot of respect for your opinions.
LikeLike
Coming here late…
@ Leigh:
My condolences on your loss. I hope you and your family are doing well and supporting each other during this difficult time.
*HUGS*
LikeLike
@ kristlsmithtyler
Wow, cool idea. I will let you know what I think.
LikeLike
@ Leigh
I am so very sorry to hear of your loss. My prayers are with you and your family. If there is anything I know about you from your posts, it is that you are a STRONG woman. You will make it through this.
LikeLike
I want to read this:
http://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Black-Baratunde-Thurston/dp/0062003216
LikeLike
@ Abagond,
I don’t want to whine to you but i question the value of having trolls like Henry or Doug1 on the board .Could you do a post on the purpose/value distilled from their human pestilience ignorance.
LikeLike
@ Abagond, & @ Randy (for the second part of the post)
Do they actually raise or lower the level of intellectual discourse? I don’t remember any instances.
Maybe through their disconnect with reality, that sort of distortion proves interesting, psychologically, but….
( @ Randy), this isn’t a “vigorous” debate – this is people’s lives.
I think one of the most pathetic things one can do is think of this as like a game. You sound like you have “ZERO” experience seeing things through other peoples’ perspectives. Which I hope is not the case. Because that would be a sad life.
LikeLike
@JT
I don’t want to whine to you but i question the value of having trolls like Henry or Doug1 on the board .Could you do a post on the purpose/value distilled from their human pestilience ignorance.
I dont know what abagonds thoughts are on this but, to my mind, it is irrefutable proof the kinds of behaviours/sterotypes/prejudice POC face. And with the individuals that you stated making comments that ‘revert to type’ continually, it is affirmation that the way that some feel is more than just conjecture and not merely all in the mind or the proverbial chip on the shoulder.
LikeLike
Do they actually raise or lower the level of intellectual discourse? I don’t remember any instances.
Perhaps not, but they do raise the comedic quotient on otherwise sober topics.
LikeLike
Fair. But I don’t even know if they are debating. They seem to be spewing the same thing, no matter what your response to them is.
I don’t know – it seems a bit futile. Maybe a *one hateful* free pass per thread and then they need to post something of substance?
LikeLike
@ Herneith
Forget IQ tests, we need CQ tests! 😛
LikeLike
LikeLike
@Robert
Hmmmm, what kind of memories does the vid conjure up for you then????
LikeLike
Just some random thoughts…
As we move closer to the November elections, I wonder what will happen to this country. I feel Obama will win a second term but at what cost?
My family and I talked last night about moving out of the United States for good. Perhaps the islands or back to the UK.
I’ve grown tired of the stupidity. I feel that America has regressed at least 20
years. I wonder if watching Americans fight their own extinction is worth it?
The rampant racism isn’t getting better, believe me. In fact, things have grown more vile, especially in the media, which we hardly watch anymore.
We came here hoping for a better life and all we got was longer hours at work with less pay. Add the stench of racism to the mix and the combination is horrid.
We’re not sure yet.
I’m planning a vacation this summer to visit the family…perhaps we’ll decide then.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
I don’t know what she means now I just like the melody 😉
lol was your nickname for her nasty girl? 🙂
@ Demerera
Eddie Murphy and two white cops in a strip club lol.
How about for you?
LikeLike
@Robert
Oh yeah, Beverley Hills Cop. Forgot about that.
Liked the melody did you Robert….;-)
I like this as a Prince produced/written song
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6zduBiRZw8)
LikeLike
@truthbetold
I would advise against choosing the UK. We currently have an extremist right-wing government working night and day to turn us into a mini-America minus the right to bear arms. UK right-wing politicians often go on trips to America to learn from your wingnuts and are in the process of importing every regressive policy ever devised in the U.S. This place is getting meaner and meaner everyday, is as racist as ever and also as you probably already know Black people are just a tiny minority here about 2% of the population.
Whenever the Prime Minister David Cameron’s popularity ratings start going down he embarks on an anti-multiculturalism speech. He chose to make his last one on the same day the far-right group the English Defense League went on a race baiting march to an Asian area.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Thanks for the excerpt and the link it was very informative and explains Kathleen’s circumstances and the environment she was in when she made her decisions.
“It seems the men cared ALL about their racial oppression…and to hell with the women….”
Yeah deeply flawed.
LikeLike
@Demerera
Yes ma’am hehehe
I like this as a Prince produced/written song
Choon as you would say.
LikeLike
JT:
Au contraire! Vigorous debate is even more essential when people’s lives are on the line. Don’t disparage this noble tradition by succumbing to your own personal or moral squeamishness.
Now, have at you!
LikeLike
Everyone,
I’m not one to ask for help from people on the net, let alone asking for a prayer, but a friend of my brother-in-law is in need of prayer.
He’s a teaching assistant for the Special Olympics who’s been accused of having sex with one of the students. However, he says that he didn’t do it.
The guy told his mother and his friend, (my brother-in-law) who went to see if he’s okay, that he’s innocent. He is extremely depressed by being placed on administrative leave, forbidden to be near the school grounds, and his mugshot is plastered all over the state news. He even said he’s never teaching again.
The student that accused him, has had a huge crush on him. However, he’s not the kind to date his students. He never has. But this girl was so obsessed with him that she lied about having sex with him.
And it gets worse, the investigation is saying there may be two more cases against him which may have come from the accuser’s friends who may also have a crush on him.
So, now the news is making him look like some kind of sexual predator when he’s anything but, and it’s tearing him up inside. In the public’s eyes he’s already guilty.
http://www.wistv.com/story/17088835/cayce-coach-accused-of-having-sex-with-student
Now look, I know that it may seem like he did it just by looking at the online article. Call me naive, but if someone consistently says he’s innocent of a crime even telling his mother and best friend that he’s completely innocent and sinking into a deep depression because his dream of helping children has been snatched away from him, I believe him.
I know that there are cases of men sexually assaulting and raping women, but I also know not all cases are true. Some cases are false, and from what I can gather, this is one of those cases.
I dunno. All I’m asking is for is prayer I guess. Even though I question God and His existence, I think this guy needs a miracle. So, if you would, please pray for this man and his family as well as the accusers and their families.
LikeLike
I am so sorry. That is a terrible situation to be in it has to be devastating. You’ve got my prayers.
LikeLike
Tell me more, Bulanik.
LikeLike
@brothawolf:
I have an absolute zero tolerance for child abuse, any kind of it. How ever, there is a witch hunt element prevailing now a days where accusations can be thrown at any directions without any proof. Based on your words that is what is going on there. That poor guy (assuming he is innocent) is being convicted by public opinion before investigation. That is very much used tactic. You just let the accusations out and let the media frenzy take care of the rest.
There was one incident years ago where social workers saved one child from his dad. According to the divorced wife and the social workers dad had molested the child. Then, surprise surprise, the mom was also molesting the kid. Child was taken in custody and both parents were crucified in the news. Then came accusations that the grand parents and other relatives had done the same. That was the moment when some started the question the whole incident.
Years later the kid told that he had agreed everything that the social workers, two women, had told him because they gave him candy and toys if he agreed with them and if he did not, they treated him like he had done something wrong.
It took about ten years to clear the parents from the false accusations BUT the social workers were not punished and are still in office. The whole case was bogus. Some still believe that the parents were molesting the kid even though the kid has told his side of the whole mess.
But like I said before, I have zero tolerance of any kind of child abuse. Including school bullying and other forms, not just the heavy cases.
LikeLike
@bulanik:
Misogynism is a problem in many movements and cultures.
Why the taleban failed in Afganistan, but the islamic revolution succeeded in Iran? Because the taleban were openly misogynist and decided to put all the women down. In Iran ajatollah Khomenei said in the very beginning that the women are half of the revolution and must be involved in it. It is that simple.
Opression of women can be religious or cultural but it always backfires. The only way to progress is the equality, real not imagined. The more equality between the sexes in society, the more advanced and human it will be. All the Nordic countries are admired by their school system and social security etc.but it is because of the equality between the sexes.
There are guys who do not like this kind of sciety and somehow they are always right wing and/or religious. Never mind that there are loads of women politicians, party leaders, prime ministers and presidents, business women, there are still those men who oppose all of this and want to smash this kind of society and their spiritual brether in USA and abroad are giving them all the support they can ask.
Go figure…
LikeLike
I dunno. All I’m asking is for is prayer I guess. Even though I question God and His existence, I think this guy needs a miracle. So, if you would, please pray for this man and his family as well as the accusers and their families
“”
@ Brothawolf,
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty??
I believe you and I believe your friend. I will pray for the best for you both.
LikeLike
It IS a game for Randy.
People’s lives aren’t a part of his cutting and slicing – tradition. Only ‘debate’ matters to Randy…not people’s lived experience.
We are ‘squeamish’ because he is antiseptic? Oh please, really.
“”
@ Bulanik,
Thank you for this post. It is nice to know that I am not the only one that smells his BS a mile away.
People’s lived experience means nothing to him. He is “fact-searching” after all.
What is reported in the news; in history books; what he sees in front of nose include facts.
What he doesnt see in the news; in history books; or in front of his nose do not include facts.
If he were to admit how ignorant he is about social realities of non-white peoples, then we would be having a different conversation.
But there he is stating that this is an objective subject and that it should be debated because it deals with real people’s lives.
No matter how amazing of a job everyone does on this board of explaining experience; noone here can do justice to what generations past and present have experienced at the hands of whites.
As such, i think randy would be better off shutting up until he read some real history about intergenerational oppression and the cultural genocide that has been targetted at the Black diaspora in America.
There are extensive libraries full of this information.
And he would be better off educating himself in this arena instead of expecting Blacks and their allies to explain why he is wrong or why any race realist is wrong.
This is probably my last word on the subject.
LikeLike
@ brothawolf
Sorry, love.
If this were me in this situation, these are the questions I’d ask myself:
1. Why is she doing this? Perhaps she solicited him and he refused so this is revenge.
2. Is your friend wealthy? This could be money motivated.
3. Who are the other girls and where did they spring from? Why are they suddenly on the bandwagon of accusal? Perhaps the main girl is asking her buddies for ‘help’.
4. Bear with me here: If your friend EVER did ANYTHING, a hug, a kiss, anything… now’s the time to come clean. Ask him, privately, to tell you every single detail that led up to this. No matter how small.
5. What is the girls home life like? Perhaps her abuser lives at home and your friend is her outlet for her anger and pain.
6. You friend must get a lawyer, straight away. Time is important here.
Seeing a black man’s picture attached to a sex crime will be damn hard to fight.
Sorry for the brutal honesty but I won’t lie to you. This will be an uphill battle.
Have his attorney make a public statement on his innocence, have him take a lie detector test.
Since the media influences the public, like a bunch of sheep, your friend will have to fight fire with fire. Tell him to see a doctor about his depression. And, sorry love, his career is over. Once an accusation of molestation gets out, most schools will not hire him, even if he’s innocent. Perhaps this is God’s way of telling him to pick another career path? He does work in mysterious ways.
And yes, I will say a prayer for him.
Sorry…good luck
Truth
LikeLike
@BrothaWolf:
The pitiable thing in all this is that should the charges be thrown out, you will not hear about it on the news. If this man is exonerated, his name will have been impugned and prospects for working in education diminished greatly. If he is exonerated, I hope he sues this organization for loss of reputation and livelihood. He better lawyer up quick!
LikeLike
Bulanik:
I say that JT’s position suggests moral squeamishness because it implies that debate is not suitable for situations where peoples’ lives are at stake. That’s fear talk.
I dare say that one ought to engage in debate in as objective a manner as possible so as to uncover underlying truths. Also, as the saying goes, the plural of “anecdote” is not “data”.
LikeLike
@ Randy,
That isn’t “fear talk”. Your not uncovering any truths, you’ve Alvarado got your mind made up, and you just find “evidence” that is catered to your views while discounting anything else. Your not objective by any means.
People just don’t want their lives treated like some experiment or lesson for you. They shouldn’t have to go through personal pain to teach you when there is so much you’ve discounted that already does that. You don’t have to discount everything they say or have been through and then insult them by claiming you’re being an “objective debator”.
LikeLike
@Randy,
That meant to say already, not “Alvarado”…stupid spell check.
LikeLike
@Ace
People just don’t want their lives treated like some experiment or lesson for you.
Its true. There is something cold, detached and clinical about Randy. It is as you say more experimental in terms of his responses than properly engaging with the topic at hand.
LikeLike
^^ That’s because blacks aren’t considered human.
LikeLike
@ Brothawolf
Another suggestion just sprung to mind. Any character witnesses that may help your friend may ease his situation. Maybe the girl is unstabe? Or maybe she’s done this before?
Find out and let the lawyer know.
LikeLike
Everyone:
Well, I heard from my sister that the accusers don’t have a case which is good news. Still he has to go through due process.
Thank you all for your prayers and support.
LikeLike
Since the media influences the public, like a bunch of sheep, your friend will have to fight fire with fire. Tell him to see a doctor about his depression. And, sorry love, his career is over. Once an accusation of molestation gets out, most schools will not hire him, even if he’s innocent.
That’s the biggest issue. People will assume he’s guilty if he tries to pursue education.
LikeLike
The strange thing is I don’t even know the guy, but I was worried for him since yesterday.
LikeLike
@brothawolf
Yes, unfortunately mud sticks. How awful for your friend to have his career ripped away from him like this. Glad that the case against him is weakening – lets hope that the truth prevails.
LikeLike
Demerera,
I hope the truth comes through too. I really don’t know how anyone could sleep at night making up something that horrible.
LikeLike
@ brothawolf
Glad to hear she has no case!!!
Tell your friend that God works in mysterious ways. Is he good at writing? Maybe this will be his moment to articulate how accusations can endanger a person’s life.
Maybe he can write an article, form support groups, etc.
Remember when doctors were allowed to be alone with female patients?
Not anymore….
Perhaps he can implement some formal change in the education system to that effect?
Just thinking out loud.
LikeLike
@ Brothawolf
I am very sorry to hear this news. I wish the friend of your brother-in-law the best of luck. I’m glad that it turns out they have no case and I hope it turns out all right in the end.
LikeLike
Truthbetold,
I have to be honest, but I can’t tell him that God works in mysterious ways because I question God’s existence. In a way He and I don’t quite see eye-to-eye.
It sounds hypocritical to ask you all to pray for someone who wonders if God exists and what kind of god is God. Right now, this man needs all kinds of help, and like I said, I dunno why this is buggin the hell outta me since I hardly know him, but from what I’m told, he’s the kind of man the youth needs.
Iris,
I’m glad too, but I’m still worried because there has been no word on the charges being dropped.
LikeLike
@ Brothawolf
Not seeing eye to eye with God makes for an interesting relationship with him, no? I no longer question his existence since my house burned down and I walked away, unharmed, unburned, covered with soot and trembling.
It doesn’t sound hypocritical at all. Noone knows for sure but we all need something devine, pure and good to believe in. May I guess why this resonates so deeply with you?
Because there are very few good beings left in this world and your friend is one of them. When bad things happen to good people, we ALL feel it. After all, it could happen to us at any given moment.
Because you, as a black man in the south, could face similar charges at any moment and the burden of proof will be solely on you.
Because you, as a black man in the Unites States have to fight to prove you are not a sexual predator while real predators walk around gleefully and unnoticed.
Because you look at this individual, who’s trying to help kids and all he’s getting for it is a kick in the teeth.
Hence the question of ” is God really there”?
Tell your friend to hang in there. My grandma used to tell us, ” What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.” Believe me, she knows that from first hand experience.
Perhaps you can use this as a moment to educate us on your blog. Or ask Abagond to do a guest post on the subject of black males, crime and the media.
Use OJ Simpson as a prime example.
And keep having a wondering if not tentative belief in Him. He does exist.
Good Luck
Truth
LikeLike
It just seems messed up that a being that supposedly a loving and forgiving would allow the slaughter, oppression, slavery, and rape of people of color for so long while the group responsible hasn’t gotten so much as a cosmic slap on the wrist.
Yet, I’ve been told over and over again that if I don’t pray, go to church, or believe in God there’s a strong possibility I’ll end up in Hell no matter how much goodness I’ve done. It’s like saying that a serial killer that still believed in God, went to church every Sunday, and prayed, would have a better chance of going to Heaven than me someone who could not even kill a cockroach let alone another human being.
There are so many contradictions told to me from left and right. God’s a loving God, but a jealous God, but isn’t Jealousy one of the deadly sins? And how come a being with so much power create a planet in 7 days instead of make it appear in a nanosecond?
My biggest beef is that with some people, we are told to pray whenever a problem arises. Pray. It’s always prayer. Praying to a god that allowed a group of humans to commit the worst crimes in history. This makes me wonder that if there is a God, is He a white supremacist too?
But I’m just venting here. Don’t mind me, I just have a lot of things on my mind as usual.
I’ll shut up now.
LikeLike
@ Brothawolf
Vent, my friend.
We all do.
The thing we learn from this world is we all have free will. That’s the most powerful, wonderful gift God gave us. We are not mindless sheep. Even though some of us act that way.
God is all powerful but jealous. He wants you to do right by Him and our brethren, but will be the ultimate judge of that, so yes, he is biased.
Quite the paradox, no?
The way I personally look at things is this way:
Have I lived my life in a way that will make me, my parents and God proud?
Did I at least TRY to be fair?
Did I at least ATTEMPT to be loving? Forgiving? Caring? Accepting?
If I harmed anyone, did I at least TRY to be apologetic?
If your answers to these questions are mostly, yes, then you’re probably on the right track.
When I read the bible, I do not believe everything written. For instance, I don’t believe that a senior citizen built a boat big enough to hold every animal on earth, including insects and fish ( where would they swim? LOL!) so we could procreate.
If Adam and Eve were the first man and woman on Earth, in Africa I presume, and they begat many children, and those children begat many children…yes, that’s called incest.
LOL!
But I digress, The point of believing in something is putting all your faith in something holy, devine and worth fighting for. Humans have done a bang-up job of ruining this planet. Something HAS to be out there worth holding on to.
For me, it’s God.
Maybe you’ll find something of your own.
Did I ever tell you I studied Buddhism?
Perhaps that’s for you? Read it sometime. It’s not really a religion, per se, but a way to look at life, strive for enlightenment, heal from the mind, not the body and the utmost importance to meditate.
Try it sometime.
LikeLike
@brothawolf
I hope the truth comes through too. I really don’t know how anyone could sleep at night making up something that horrible.
Unfortunately it is a stark reminder that adolescents and young people really dont take into account the consequences of their actions. Neither are they expected to take responsibility for things either. One look at the ‘teenage racist rant’ post tells us this….
Do keep us posted and let us know the outcome x
LikeLike
@ Brothawolf
“Pray. It’s always prayer. Praying to a god that allowed a group of humans to commit the worst crimes in history. This makes me wonder that if there is a God, is He a white supremacist too?”
**********************777********************
I would argue that God exists, even though I myself have at times wondered where’s God hiding out at – and why horrible things are permitted. Nonetheless, the proof and evidence of God’s existence surrounds us. Just examining LIFE at the cellular/atomic level proves the existence of a Master Designer! Even if humans “evolved” from something/someone else trillions or however many years ago, where and how did it all begin? And most importantly, why? Why are we all here??? What’s our purpose?
Yup.. life is chock full of contradictions, mysteries, paradoxes, unequal outcomes, unfairness and plenty of bull-sh*t. And the Creator permits it all to occur, otherwise humans wouldn’t have FREE-WILL. One can even reasonably argue that God created evil, even though God is comprised of LOVE.
I don’t believe in accidents or coincidences. There’s a (currently) invisible spiritual realm where God orchestrates and directs the universe from. It hardly makes any sense to us. God is infinitely bigger than any box we can imagine and as such is beyond our current ability to fathom or understand. That’s how I see it.
All we really have is our faith and trust in the Most High – and the cross we each have to carry, until its all finished – however and whenever that occurs. Even the anointed one felt like he was forsaken and abandoned as he was nailed to his cross, and so it is with all who belong/believe in God/Allah/Yaweh/Jah/Jehovah et al. It seems like we literally have to go through Hell (a Great Tribulation – of some type) in order to get to that place of eternal peace.
There’s much more to this than what we can presently see.
LikeLike
@ brothawolf:
I hope your friend comes out of this relatively unscathed, although the stigma of just being accused might linger for some time…
At any rate, you said this:
I have two words for you – Bethany Storro…that should explain it.
I knew this broad in Seattle who had major issues when it came to men; namely, she had absolutely no boundaries where they were concerned. If a guy talked to her, then in her little mind, that meant he was interested in her and was ‘coming on’ to her. If he asked to buy her a drink, then to her, that meant he wanted to take her home or ‘be her boyfriend’. If he asked her to dance, then she pretty much assumed that they were engaged – no lie.
The histrionic narcissist goes out of their way to make it all about them, demands attention constantly in dramatic fashion, and bases their self-worth on what the object of their desires thinks of them. Since mental illnesses are now under the Special Olympics umbrella, more and more incidents like this are virtually guaranteed. Basically, a person’s disability isn’t always obvious anymore!
LikeLike
@ Peanut
I am doing a post on Kony 2012. It is going up tomorrow.
LikeLike
Bulanik
@Brothawolf (Excuse my lateness.)
As Demerera, truthbetold and others have pointed out, the prospects for your friend continuing his present career are not good. Although it seems the accuser has no case, the damage has been done.
____
The linked article has an awful lot of coincidental evidence that seems credible to me to at least make an arrest of this teacher
another adult, teacher, stated that the accused took this special needs child from her hotel room, the accused’s wife was looking for him, and that there is text messaging evidence between this child and the accused. Of course is it possible that all this evidence is fabricated, but my fear is more for children in these circumstances, especially with so much collaborating evidence. It disturbs me that a special needs child is becoming the accused in this thread and will I generally lurk, I felt that this child should also be prayed for and defended.
LikeLike
@ Brothawolf
Bulanik is right, we are in a bully-culture. I once read an article that stated that a child molester just ‘knows’ which children to pick. Certain qualities of vulnerability seem to attract certain predators.
Perhaps your friend has a tenderness with these kids that she just senses and wishes to exploit.
LikeLike
Do you remember the satan worship hysteria years and years ago? There were abundance of stories how secret satan worshipping circles were sacrifing kids and women etc. all over the place. Finally they brought in the FBI to investigate these allegations: there were no such cases found after few years of investigations. None.
It seems that there is always somekind of hysteria going on in the States. Now it is this molesting teachers hysteria. And the worst thing is this: the real pedophiles have a field day when cops and authorities are trying to figure out the non exsisting cases.
LikeLike
Vanishing point,
First of all, if there’s one thing I’ve learned is that the news media loves to put on spin on things at the expense of people’s lives for higher ratings. You can’t go what the news report says and automatically believe it without considering that it comes from a biased view.
Second, family and friends know the accused more than the news media, and they are a 1000% positive that he is not that type of person. Plus, the guy himself told everyone including his friends and family that he didn’t do anything. He’s not that type of person who’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing. In fact he has gone out of his way to help at-risk students for their sake.
Third and most importantly, you can not see things in black and white. Hell yea, there are child molesters and rapists out there in the world, and they must be held accountable and punished. Hell yea, we need to protect our children from the creeps that lurk the streets in any neighborhood. But at the same damn time, we can not protect the youth if we are willing to punish the innocent. That is counter-productive.
Yes. There are teachers out there that physically and sexually abuse children and they need to be arrested. However, there are young people who will use that fact for their own means for numerous reasons to accuse an innocent teacher of a crime he or she didn’t commit, and it’s more common than we would like to believe.
I hope that this man will get out of the mess he’s in. I hope that soon he will either prove his innocence or the teen would drop the charges. Still, I don’t want this teen to be seen as some kind of deviant who deserves a harsh punishment. I only hope and wish that the accuser will wake up, confess, learn, and get some kind of help.
I know it automatically looks like he is guilty, but not everything is what it seems.
LikeLike
I want to think you all for your incite into this terrible situation for my bro-in-law’s friend. Let’s hope something positive comes out of this. I will keep ya’ll posted.
LikeLike
@brothawolf, of course I have sympathy for your bro-in-law’s friend, and I totally understand your support for him, and I have no idea what the police are like where he was arrested. And yes, I can see where the press love to mis-quote and spin things. And I also realize that the police do not have the evidence that they say they do. I am just commenting that just because his family and friends can’t believe it ,doesn’t mean that this girl is guilty either.
LikeLike
@Sam
Do you remember the satan worship hysteria years and years ago? There were abundance of stories how secret satan worshipping circles were sacrifing kids and women etc. all over the place. Finally they brought in the FBI to investigate these allegations: there were no such cases found after few years of investigations. None.
Have you heard about this below? I turned of the radio when I heard this, sickened by it….
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/01/couple-guilty-boy-murder-witchcraft)
LikeLike
Yes brothawolf do give an update, such a horrible predicament to be in.
Has anyone seen this story, the most recent blatant walking while Black that I’ve seen since Abagond’s post regarding young man gun down by NYPD.
This one takes place in FL.
http://news.yahoo.com/family-florida-boy-killed-neighborhood-watch-seeks-arrest-044537742.html
And here’s the petition for justice for Trayvon Martin
http://www.change.org/petitions/prosecute-the-murderer-of-17-year-old-trayvon-martin
LikeLike
@brothawolf:
I pray that everything works out for your brother-in-law’s friend in the end.
LikeLike
@Vanishing point,
I am just commenting that just because his family and friends can’t believe it, doesn’t mean that this girl is guilty either.
The reason why they can’t believe it is because they don’t believe it, and this guy is still trying to prove his innocence. Also, the young accuser needs help herself in some kind of way.
I’m afraid that when he’s proven innocent, how will her life be affected as a result of her lie?
But anyway, thanks again for your comments everyone. I knew this was a touchy subject, and I shouldn’t gone into detail about it, but it’s good to read what you have to say.
I’ll keep you all posted.
Lifelearner,
I heard about this from the Black Youth Project. This is becoming more and more frequent which worries the hell outta me.
LikeLike
@demerera: There it is. And that is not the first case in England in past 20 yrs, I remember there was a similar type of incident back in 90’s.
LikeLike
For those big on twitter am sure you have not missed the #kony2012, invisible children or their video that went viral.
If ever there was a case on the White Savior Complex, this white dude would be it. He and Bono are probably BFF’s. Its the most exploitative and emotional-esque porn video that i have EVER watched!
LikeLike
@ malkia,
I disagree somewhat. I feel there is a small bit of “white savior” in it, but it’s not like he’s running around denigrating them or acting like he can tell them how to live in their culture or something.
He seems to genuinely believe in it, and the fact that so many people are so moved by the situation is telling that he did the right thing by doing it. I highly doubt a black person doing a video like that would get that response, so we should be mad that people needed a white man with a camera to show them that before they gave a damn about it.
LikeLike
@Ace
I disagree with your disagreement. LOL
I have tweeted so much on this topic, I will just leave you with a link which share my thoughts. Also, hope you read the guest post I wrote called the Business of Saving Africa.
Couple of things though:
1. Jacob is crying and this white guy says…”its ok i will stop them”. OK superman. Solve a conflict that has been going on for 25 years and involves so many players. Kony is evil. I accept.
2. The Board of Invisible Children is mostly white young people discussing black folk. I am uncomfortable with this, reminds me of the Scramble of Africa.
3. There is no talk of the numerous NGO and CBOs that have done and continue to do good work there. So people did give a damn before the white man. Many people. A lot of them Africans (Ugandans) affected by the LRA and the Ugandan army.
4. It takes away the agency of the Ugandan people (as usual in these types of things) to determine and solve their own problems. LRA is no longer an issue in Uganda. It has not been for 6 years.
Anyway, you can check out my timeline @judyneno, also @tejucole and @texasinafrica on twitter and also this here link:
http://projectdiaspora.org/2012/03/08/respect-my-agency-2012/
LikeLike
@ Leigh
Good to hear from you. Silly question but how are you?
LikeLike
@Robert
You like?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO3FUfs6iYA)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHq3n3hy0)
LikeLike
Some Mr Isaacs for y’all…
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz83XbX_AeM)
LikeLike
Abagond, please check your gmail.
LikeLike
@Demerera
Yeah nice 🙂
Remember this one?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FziicPt9cs&ob=av2e)
I’ve been feeling this one recently.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnVLxqWcHE)
Love the ethereal harmonies on this one.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO3WDcEa2FQ)
This one is a cute remake.
LikeLike
@ Abagond,
Any chance at getting a poster intro. thread?
LikeLike
@ Peanut
I am still writing the Kony 2012 post. It has proved to be very hard to write – there is so much to say in just 500 words!
LikeLike
@ JT
What do you mean?
LikeLike
@ Abagond,
I don’t know if anyone would want to but a thread that was dedicated to introductions? I guess that can be done in the open thread …
LikeLike
@ malkia,
Well, those are good points about Invisible Children. Very good points.
1. Honestly, when I first saw that movie, the thing that stuck with me was Jacob crying, and talking about his life and brother. It truly tore me apart. There are some merits to the film and the movement behind it. To me it proved (yet again) that social media could be a force for good and empathy.
2. Yeah, it can seem that way. I can totally see that. It’s depressing, because it makes you wonder if that outrage is genuine because of the suffering those people experience(ed), or if it’s just to be part of another “white guilt” movement.
3. That is very true. I also wish that they took more time to show that it wasn’t just one white man against the corrupt black people, but I am still perturbed that it took that white man with a camera to show it before people gave a damn.
4. True, I would hope that people wouldn’t take something like that to mean “Ugandans can’t solve their own problems”, but then we’ve seen people make that argument before so I suppose it can’t be too long until we see it again.
Thanks for the link, it’s a very interesting take on that, it makes me think about it in a different way.
LikeLike
@ Malkia
That Project Diaspora link was excellent.
LikeLike
@Robert
That last track was a Stephanie Mills song originally which I absolutely lurve. It reminds me of happy times….
Just watching ‘I’m a Pop Star’, do you remember PWL and their churned out factory hits? These are couple of my faves from this time (plus a bit of eye candy for ya lol):-
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlLKNxDbsi8)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPmy2fCuTjs)
LikeLike
@Demerera
Yep, the ubiquitous Stock Aitken and Waterman. Some great songs and some crimes against music too.
lol thanks 🙂
LikeLike
Music from different regions of Africa
http://www.awesometapes.com/
Sidenote: the website linked to is hosted by a white man. Is he appropriating Black music to his own profit? Yes. Does he send them parts of his profit back – purportedly, yes.
Interesting – should another white person be getting rich off the labour and creativity of Blacks? Would this music go unheard from Western masses and $$$ if it remained undistributed? Does that excuse his hosting of their music to his benefit?
LikeLike
What are peoples thoughts on the government proposals to legalise same sex marriage? I dont know how widespread this is i.e. is this something that is being implemented in any other countries across the world.
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17329902)
Any strong feelings ‘FOR’ or ‘AGAINST?’
LikeLike
@ Demerera
I’m conflicted. As a religious person, I say that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. As a liberal, I say, who cares?
There’s no easy answer to this. People, all people, should have rights to marry and have children. But, from my religious background, it nags at me.
That’s my honest truth.
LikeLike
@truthbetold
Yes, it is a difficult one isnt it. When I look at this statement below for example, I wonder whether in part, it is down to mere semantics, after all, a ‘Civil Partnership’ does carries with it, the same rights as marriage:-
And the Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, opposes gay marriage but supports civil partnerships, which he says have addressed the injustices faced by same-sex couples.
“There’s a difference – and people don’t these days want to talk about difference – there’s a difference between a civil partnership and marriage, and that difference doesn’t mean one is better than another, but they’re different.”
LikeLike
@ Demerera
I love how America uses semantics to hide prejudices. Like all the code words for Obama not being a ‘real American’. LOL! Like we’re stupid.
Just say what you have to say!
Gay marriage is a hot topic and will remain one due to the fact that a lot of us despite being open-minded are conservative regarding certain issues.
Abortion is another one.
I guess it boils down to personal beliefs, upbringing and God, if you believe in Him.
LikeLike
^^ By the way, this is a hot topic all over the world.
LikeLike
@ Demera,
From Wikipedia:
Since 2001, ten countries have begun allowing same-sex couples to marry nationwide: Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, and Sweden. Same-sex marriages are also performed and recognized in the Brazilian state of Alagoas,[2] Mexico City and parts of the United States. Some jurisdictions that do not perform same-sex marriages recognize same-sex marriages performed elsewhere: Israel, the Caribbean countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, parts of the United States, and all states of Brazil and Mexico. Australia recognises same-sex marriages only by one partner changing their sex after marriage.[3] As of 2012, proposals exist to introduce same-sex marriage in at least ten other countries.
Mind you, the part about the Netherlands alllowing it nationwide is not entirely true for the time being, on 10-10-10 the Netherlands Antilles dissolved, the two island areas with the largest populations became constituent countries of the Kingdom in their own right, just like Aruba, while the three remaining island areas became the American (or Caribbean) parts) of the Netherlands (which represents about 98.5% of the kingdom). Resident same-sex couples will get the right to marry there before the end of the year, it seems, but still not now.
More strange news, a Dutch black person on Twitter declared March the Ninth last year Negro Day. Your opinion about that?
LikeLike
@Teddy
Having read this article and the responses, it seems that this guy fancies himself as a bit of a comedian. Could he have meant this in a ‘tongue in cheek’ kinda way?
(http://afroeurope.blogspot.com/2012/03/negro-day-in-netherlands-but-is-it.html)
It does purport to certain widely held stereotypical viewpoints that some people have about BP. It is a shame that he didnt try to make this a ‘positive’ statement, rather than being a day for potential black ridicule.
What do you think Teddy?
LikeLike
Of course it is meant tongue in cheek, and in a way it may succeed in making people think, invite people to act like a negro and you mag get them thinking more about the way they think BP act, much more than crying racism.
Those stereotypes aren’t that widely held in the Netherlands. Mostly because the Dutch mind thinks more in national (and religous) categories than racial ones,…
“Heb uw neger lief” is positive, and if anything is mocked by that, it is Christianity, the wording rather suggests that “negro”, here simply replaces “neighbor”, in bibletexts like Matthew 22:39.
LikeLike
@ Bulanik,
Great points! I am glad you made them too … because even when i was have pangs of conscious about using this white man’s website which should belong to the individuals that wrote the music, i couldn;t but listen to their music.I’ve just started going through the tracks; I really like track 2 of ephrem tamru; also the one by Bola is pretty great. =)
LikeLike
@Bulanik
I think this is it really isnt it. Different faiths have different aspects to their religion that other religions either dont subscribe to or reject out of hand. When we look at faiths like Islam, Christianity and Judaism they have many elements that are the same – after all, the were all borne from one single faith but certainly in Christianity for example, polygamy is not a part of this religion and the reaction and penalty for anyone other than a practicing Muslim is potential imprisonment!
The outcry against same sex marriages IMO stems from the fact that this would change the face of religion irretrievably and will have an impact on how society views religion as a whole. Make the choice A and you will potentially keep some loyal followers but not necessarily draw ‘new’ followers, make choice B and you will find that not only will your loyal flock depart, but, you may have a whole ‘new’ group to contend with, one that will potentially test, challenge and shake the foundations of this religious institution.
So, do we bring religion into the 21st century or do we follow what is deemed by some to be an archaic and outmoded institution – its a tough call.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
I think more than anything is the fear in the minds of people who can not bear to see same-sex intimate partnerships condoned or even existing…
I think this is definately at the very heart of things yes. My response on the whole issue is definately conflicted. I confess, that this could be construed as a case of double standards – if the bible said that Black/Asian/Other races were ‘evil’ or something equally contentious, I know that I would want it addressed and rectified PDQ.
The thing with Civil Partnerships is that it IS recognised by law on similar if not the same level as a marriage and its entitlements. I would probably even use the word ‘marriage’ in terms of talking about a gay couple who’s union was as a result of a civil partnership.
My confliction comes where I dont understand why anyone would want to marry in a Church were the religion and therefore the individual conducting the ceremony, doesnt appreciate or support who they are and what they stand for as people.
Maybe there are a few issues here – the right for same sex couples to be married in a sacred/holy building and, a change to the foundations of religions such as Christianity, Islam and Judaism where they do not condone gay/lesbian marriage.
Any thoughts anyone?
LikeLike
@ everyone:
racist video alert!
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxCbMlGDPzg&feature=endscreen&NR=1)
LikeLike
@ Bulanik
Thank you!
LikeLike
@Demerera
I don’t know that anyone is demanding that churches marry gays. That isn’t the issue, and in any case churches have the 1st amendment protecting them. The issue is ONLY the state issuing marriage licenses – and the state shouldn’t be in the business of discriminating against gays any more than against mixed race marriages.
LikeLike
@ Abagond
It’s your birthday? Well, here’s wishing you all the best life has to offer with many more to come!
LikeLike
Yeah… Happy B-Day ,,, old man! LOL : )))
You made it another year!!
A serious milestone for black men in America!
LikeLike
Happy Birthday Abagond!!
And Leigh, you are missed and being prayed for. Stay strong.
LikeLike
Happy birthday, Abagond! Hope you have fun celebrating another year on the planet. 🙂
Leigh – Hope you and your family are holding up all right.
LikeLike
@Joshua
I don’t know that anyone is demanding that churches marry gays.
In part, I am referring to the views expressd on a programme in the UK where representatives of the Gay community were discussing this, perhaps it differs in the US.
LikeLike
Happy birthday abagond! For some reason i think you hate me but nonetheless I like you! LOL. Hope you had a stellar day.
LikeLike
Many Happy Returns Abagond –
Hope you’re having a smashing day
🙂
LikeLike
happy birthday aba!! keep doing the good work and enjoy some breaks now and then! you deserve it
LikeLike
@DarqBeauty:
@Iris:
Thank you ladies. I’m holding on and taking everything day by day. I’m doing okay thus far.
LikeLike
Oh, and Happy Belated Abagond! Keep up the great work on your blog! 🙂
LikeLike
American Idol villainizes one of their finalists
http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/14/jermaine-jones-american-idol-history-of-violence-police-reports-criminal/
Disgusting! American Idol should be ashamed.
LikeLike
@JT
Though he got throught to Hollywood, I didnt even think this guy made it through to the 20 odd contestants? At least, I think this is the same guy that I am thinking of – 6ft7″ or so – devoted to his mum?
LikeLike
I am not sure to be honest. I don’t watch AI. I do however pay attention when AI pimps their performers but then retreats in a fallacious horrified member when they see something that they don’t like later on. I.E. what they did to Frenchie in season 1/2 or whenever that was.
I think this series will humiliate this poor man as if its the right thing to do. I think that makes them culpable of a greater crime then anything he did.
LikeLike
* in a fallacious and horrified manner*
LikeLike
@Leigh
Thank you ladies. I’m holding on and taking everything day by day. I’m doing okay thus far.
Glad to hear that you are ok lovey x
LikeLike
Demera – interesting. In the US the churches are constitutionally protected against that sort of thing, though some churches are playing the victim card claiming they’ll have to marry same sex couples. It simply isn’t so, here at least.
LikeLike
JT, his crime to AI was lying up front. The public part is because he lied to become a celebrity. You can get fired from any job for lying on your application, and if he didn’t want this stuff to become public he shouldn’t have sought out the publicity.
LikeLike
Happy Belated Birthday, Abagond.
LikeLike
@ joshua,
Have you ever thought that this was known a long time ago by the AI people and they pulled this stunt for ratings to draw in the white trash vote?
I wouldn’t put it past them at all.
LikeLike
@ JT
Those shows are just trash to begin with so what’s the difference?
LikeLike
@Linda
In response to your comment on Racist White Teen Girls Goes On a Rand about Blacks
The Tiverton couple looked at them like they were crazy and said,” well, dear, you aren’t British because you aren’t white, so you are West Indian’s like your parents.”
At that moment, it became clear to me why my mother stayed in Jamaica when her parents decided to immigrate to the “Mother Country”
this was over 20 years ago, so maybe the general thinking has changed.
What you describe Linda was/is commonplace and accurate in terms of the kind of response you will get when you are black. Yes, there has been progress/recognition/understanding of a kind amongst the younger generations (that being said though, I have noticed a propensity to regress to more narrow thinking they older they get – go figure!!!!) but, the older generation will still refer to all BP, regardless of whether they have an English accent or if they were born and bred from of first, second, third etc migrants as West Indian.
Some might even say African (I Know thats how some asian girls at my school referred to BP). The most ignorant of the individuals will relate that to people who have what they term ‘blue black’ skin!!!! *SMH*
LikeLike
Demerera
It’s sad to hear that…even though overall, I enjoyed London, it’s a different feeling being black in Britian than in the US.
But in a strange way, I prefer the US more because at least in the US, my children get to decide if they wish to assimilate and be “Americans” and all the good/bad that comes with being black in America; whereas, I realized in England, my children will always be “other” no matter how assimilated into the culture they become (also, easier to make money in US)
My cousins have overtime come home (Jamaica) to get their bearings but they didn’t stay, they missed London and all the priviledges of living in a wealthy country.
LikeLike
“They ever had their Civil Rights Act of 1964. I mean they did (in their own little European way)”. This is not strictly true or fair.
Black people in Britain had to fight, and some lost their lives, in the struggle for equal treatment and equal rights. It hasn’t been exactly plain sailing…””
“”
Hi Bulanik,
I am sorry for saying it like that. Having reread it, it was definitely a stupid statement and grounded in ignorance. I just don’t know much about European Black civil rights movements. I haven’t educated myself in it. i have only learned about USA civil rights movements. My apologies.
LikeLike
@JT
I too commented on what you said on the other thread – it is a common misconception amongst Americans, both Black and White, that Black British people did/do not encounter struggles and hardship just as American POC have/do.
LikeLike
@ Demerera,
Sorry, I didn’t see it. I will go back and reread your comment too. I appreciated the links that Bulanik provided.
All i know is that my grandmother is English, and I remember her talking ish about how noone wanted to dance with the Black males. From her memories, it was socially taboo for whites to cross that line between the ethnicities in the air force.
I would have preferred to be with the people of color, e.g. having a good time instead of throwing shade at others.
Anyway, sorry i just thought of this example of social oppression as a possible example of Black European civil rights conflict. I digress…
LikeLike
@Robert
Couple o’ choons for ya from back in da day. I would have been in my early teens…
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqyOlanGk_Y)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jau-DPP_WMY)
This one is a bit earlier….
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgD4x_SfyD8)
LikeLike
@ JT,
Yes, I understand that this was the case with the Black American G.I’s who came over to the UK during WWII – the legacy of the ‘mixing’ was the so called ‘Brown Baby’ situation…
Maybe a simplistic look but if you have ever seen the film Yanks, it might give you an overview of what your nan said. Just out of interest, what part of England is your nan from?
LikeLike
@ Joshua,
When you have a television show like AI that has consistently ranged in viewership between 20-50 million viewers, i think it is hard to dismiss such a show as simply “trash.” These real people that end up the show are somehow supposed to have a narrative that denotes their deservedness to be the american idol. And how they fit into society as a prototype for an ideology (“redemption,” “perseverance,” “the triumph of modesty and self-control” “beauty as external”.) etc.
Through this public castration of this Black male American Idol finalist, white racists are gratified, whether on an implicit or explicit level. I would expect that viewership spikes after this controversy in white males and females.
Think about it instead of just blindly consuming!
@ anyone,
Has anyone ever guessed how many “race realists” lurk on this board? It would be nice for them to come out of the woodwork all at once so they don’t keep starting the same script over and over again. It is nauseating but somehow compelling. They are like a gruesome accident.
LikeLike
@ JT,
Yes, I understand that this was the case with the Black American G.I’s who came over to the UK during WWII – the legacy of the ‘mixing’ was the so called ‘Brown Baby’ situation…
Maybe a simplistic look but if you have ever seen the film Yanks, it might give you an overview of what your nan said. Just out of interest, what part of England is your nan from?
“”
@ Demerera,
Well she has passed away now, but she was born and lived in Newcastle on Tyne until after WW2. Then she emigrated to Canada with my grandfather which is where he was from originally. He came to the UK to help the war effort as a mechanic, i think. Not entirely clear on my family history, though… i just remember little anecdotes like that from my grandmother early on.
I think i asked her whether she danced with one of those Black troops and she said “no.” She was of the guilty bystanders.
LikeLike
@JT
I don’t consume it, so it doesn’t affect me. 20-50 millions consumers of trash is not a surprise to me in the least. Whether or not someone is gratified about this, the guy shouldn’t have lied. If he didn’t want the publicity for his past, he shouldn’t have sought it out. Unless the things said were made up, I don’t see the complaint.
LikeLike
@ joshua
Instead of trotting him out in front of the American public to humiliate him, they could have eliminated him from consideration before he got on national television. They knew his legal history (whether with or without charges) prior to him being on the show. Why should he be fodder for White gleeful racism.
Honestly.
LikeLike
@JT
I think i asked her whether she danced with one of those Black troops and she said “no.” She was of the guilty bystanders.
Its difficult to judge what it was like in those days but, it shows that the experience resonated with her, so much so that she commented on it to you.
“Why aye man, she was Geordie” thats how they speak, lol – have you heard of Cheryl Cole? Sting, no doubt will have heard of and Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits), they all hail from this area as does one of my good friends too. You might find it indecipherable – even I do but I guess this might go both ways 😉
LikeLike
Wow, I’m late =) Happy Birthday Abagond!!
Leigh204: Wishing you and your family continued strength through difficult times.
LikeLike
http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/all-discount-codes
Heavily discounted software!
LikeLike
@ Demerera
lol I never knew what she meant by “geordie.” People from that region are definitely distinct. LOL.
As far as the ability to break normative influences; people did at the time – unfortunately she wasn’t one of them.
Something i have learned from and will probably continue to learn from. =)
LikeLike
@JT
FYI…
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geordie)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geordie_dialect_words)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfduEnl20CY ) Based on the format of Jersey Shore
LikeLike
@ Demerera,
Thanks for the background info. I have never read much about their regional history. It is interesting! =D
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Simple copy and paste the links as usual but, start and end them in brackets
x
LikeLike
@Demerera
@Robert
Couple o’ choons for ya from back in da day. I would have been in my early teens…
Thanks. So can you rap then Demerera? 🙂
Some from my youth.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2vhSockUY&ob=av2n)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oak4_095Cug)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAuOCluflKQ)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH4ic9AXWzE)
LikeLike
@Robert
I can’t work out how old you are just when I think I get it, you throw me a curveball lol though I’m sure that you must be of a similar age to me…
….So can you rap then Demerera? A little….;-)
Some from my youth.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2vhSockUY&ob=av2n) Chooon lol
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oak4_095Cug) Is this some secret subliminal message to me Robert 😉
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAuOCluflKQ) Gee Thanks x
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH4ic9AXWzE) ! LOL
Ok, Right back at ya
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0bdLNs08ME)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4Gh-GH8Miw) gorgeous female Annabella Lwin
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwHuEDCM7xs)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaLEpc0lBJU) That was me – UK Raver
LikeLike
@ Demerera
So it’s working then, splendid hehehe.
Shhhh 😉
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0bdLNs08ME)
Macka B lol reminds me of my gheri curl, hair was slicked down like the Fonz.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4Gh-GH8Miw)
Wild indeed nice hair!
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwHuEDCM7xs)
Choon
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaLEpc0lBJU) That was me – UK Raver
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEdiOBz4zeM&feature=related)
LikeLike
@Bulanik – I will respond immently, interesting topic.
Meanwhile, I would be interested to hear from y’all, your memories of teenage parties. I have just attened one as a chaperone for my eldest and, whilst I realise things have changed, I am surprised to hear that the kind of ‘chat’ from young girls is the following ‘Do I look sexy in this’ rather than my, perhaps twee teenage years of purely ‘thinking’ “Do I look OK in this”.
Are you guys aware of the shift in mentality of the ‘Youth’ of today? How does it differ from your era (s). I would be intrigued to know….
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Sometimes when I read comments on this blog, I ask myself about that. Does this mean one can invest one’s identity and loyalty as an American, yet, always be looked upon and treated as foreign, criminal, etc, to always be a lower type of American, rather than a ‘generic’ one?
The comments on here strongly suggest that there is a sense of ‘giving’ yourself up in pursuit of recognition and identity as an American, and the feeling of disappointment thereafter when, as continuously discussed on here, it often does not live up to expectations. I think of the commenter dave (hope you dont mind me referring to you on here 🙂 ) who’s comments indicate that whilst he meets the criteria, potentially on a superficial level i.e. skin tone, that perhaps there is a certain mentality and approach that needs to be adopted to ensure that you are accepted as a true ‘American’.
I think few Asians and black British want to be ‘just British’ because they hold strongly, and identify, with the cultures of their parent’s and grandparents. Also more often than not, British Asians and blacks grow up mixing freely with others, with a keen sense of their own entitlement in the mainstream. Perhaps they feel less pressure to conform to whites in order to ‘be British’. It’s almost like: this is me – take it or leave it. Americans in contrast, seem to rely more on ‘being American’.
I think there is an attempt being made at trying to establish a balance i.e. still application forms generally have a ‘Black Asian’ or ‘Black British’ tick box on their forms. I’m certainly not saying though that this has eliminated the percpetions of WP about the identies of POC in the UK. The response I gave to Linda above about the fact that WP in the UK will still often refer to a BP as ‘West Indian’ in terms of describing the individual without knowing ( or lets face it, caring, if this is accurate) is a reminder of this.
I remember at one of my ante natal appointments, the midwife was there with a trainee and they needed to get some information for some form they were completing. The girl asked me what best matched my ethnic identity and I told her which one – the midwife herself, when I had gone behind the screen to disrobe, told the girl to change what I had said on the form to another one. I stopped and asked her why she did that and she looked at me with an amused expression, as if she felt that I was overreacting. I was furious and told the girl to change it back (she looked worried). Do you know what Bulanik, I KNOW that that midwife changed it back again to what she thought.
I do agree though that there is a more overt ‘take it or leave it’ response from POC in the UK compared to those in the US. Saying that though, for many, the connection to cultural lineage/roots has been lost over the years hasnt it. I wonder if the West Indian migrants living in the US rely on ‘being American’ compared to the other PoC in the US. Now, dont all shout at once but, I do find Americans can be so insular at times and have little interest in what is going on in the world at large – almost as though nothing else matters but the good ole US of A. This has been compounded whenever I have spoken to my cousin who lives in America who, despite being born in the UK (though emigrating when he was 4), knows little or nothing about any aspect of it.
I recall a time when England was almost looked down upon as quaint but pitiful:
I think this is still the perception Bulanik for some….
How does this manifest itself in your current country or residence? Do you remember the film The Commitments? It came out in the early 90’s about a group who were influenced by R&B sounds Wilson Picket etc. The film was huge and if U2 didnt do it before, it really put Ireland on the World radar map and EVERY celebrity was pulling Irish heritage out of their arses, just to feel a part of this new interest in all things Irish phenomena. One of the lines in this movie I still remember to this day, ‘The Irish are the Blacks of Europe’!
LikeLike
Here we go again. Charlize Theron adopts a black baby, her first child.
Time for a new thread?
LikeLike
@ the foreign interlopers
http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DX0DANz1otOg%26ob%3Dav3e
http://www.modovideo.com/video.php?v=5rk7t0tn4osm8dfcwz444q3jtvdg5ln1
http://www.modovideo.com/video.php?v=51muzz0xttrll2nmq8fse44a4pgrfomk
LikeLike
Yes, but I believe she has the same skin condition as Michael Jackson.
LikeLike
Should I try and turn my name back to JT or should i keep personinmotion. They both sound good to me.
LikeLike
@ Bulanik,
I *love* Ethiopian rhythms and blues. It is amongst the most inspiring of genres:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOUGqzVIvfI)
I also enjoy ska/rocksteady:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUWpovcGjQ0)
I like celia cruz:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js0rKmv-0Iw)
and I love Motown
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxoSCzNpd9w)
^^^^ hahaha just playing…Im not that white! vvvvvvvv Below is the real stuff!!! =D
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joqjBAJx4ZA)
LikeLike
@Personinmotion aka JT
Now, you wont get like Prince will you who would at one time in is career, only answer to the name Symbol 😉
Gwan wid de Rocksteady…I guess you would like this (posted it on here previously) by Toots and the Maytals…
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sdXJiKsQrI)
LikeLike
@ Bulanik
Never thought I’d EVER see someone mention Alemayehu Eshete on this blog. Serious props for making my musical taste seem a little bit less eclectic.
LikeLike
@ Bulanik,
When i figure out how to do JT, I’ll stick to it. =D I am personinmotion for the meantime. Thanks for the words though.
I am glad you like some of my choices. The creators are stunning talents.
@ Demerera,
LoL. Every legend needs a symbol! Prince knew that too =D Hits the drafting board. =D
LikeLike
For those interested in watching some African drama… please watch MTV Shuga its on MTV and BET.
Its shot in Kenya and its main purpose is to raise awareness on HIV/AIDS . Its very popular in Africa.
Catch it on YouTube…you will not regret watching it!
LikeLike
Uh oh…..
The CIA wants to spy on you through your TV:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2115871/The-CIA-wants-spy-TV-Agency-director-says-net-connected-gadgets-transform-surveillance.html
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY&ob=av3e)
LikeLike
Abagond –
I think JT (and perhaps others too) had a good idea. That is a thread set aside primarily for Introductions – and maybe a little “voluntary” and “optional” background info about the poster, like:
Region/Country
Race
Gender
Purpose for coming to this site
Aspirations, Hopes ??
And any other mundane info the poster is willing to share – that’s NOT TOO MUCH information.
This might help people to know and understand one another better – across the board. 😉
LikeLike
Great idea, Matari! 😉 I think it might prove useful to have fun as well as politic.
@ abagond,
I think the front page is a bit fatalist – what are the chances we could go back to some renaissance art =P
JT
LikeLike
LOL could someone explain the skittles/handgun showdown on the tapes thread?
If i had to answer the question i think Abagond’s asking:
I would say skittles. The handgun’s shooting power is no match for the skittles rainbow power.
=P
LikeLike
@ personinmotion
I updated my banner. It is art from a later period.
LikeLike
@ Abagond,
The Arrest Zimmerman banner? Nice and direct.
But yeah thank you. I think its important to confront the reality of Trayvon’s murder. Justice needs demanded. I also think it is important to remember Trayvon and what he was like as a young man. Nonetheless, i found it incredibly difficult to login and find his eyes staring at you.
It is very sad that this happened. He should be playing at recess time right now.
😦
LikeLike
Don
Being white in America gives you privileges that you cannot know or see unless you are the one on the outside looking in.
I don’t feel like getting into a long conversation about something you ALREADY know about yourself, about this country and its injustices.
Whites simply cannot deal with their own racism. It leads to a mental breakdown of shame, anger, depression and hatred of themselves.
Not wanting to see reality, especially in America, is the ultimate form of cowardice. That would mean your lives, families, jobs…YOU are a fraud.
So you hide, dodge, run( white flight), ration, somersault over and over again
about the truth. When you finally have no more excuses, you fall off the face of the earth and go into hiding. Or come here to antagonize, like Bliff.
That is cowardice.
And one more thing…
If I were to list the nasty, underhanded, evil, destructive, demoralizing, racist, demonic, sadistic things that whites, especially the ones threatened by my education, upbringing, speech and JOB, I’d be here till next year.
Don’t tell me about ‘equality’, Don.
Don’t quote MLK.
Don’t talk about forgiveness, healing and trying to put the past behind me.
I’ve tried all that before.
Then some white sheep who feels threatened tears off my scabs and I bleed all over again.
LikeLike
@truthbetold
With no disrespect to you, I will always talk about forgiveness, healing, and looking to a better future. Without those things, there will be no better future.
I am not going to ask you to list all of the things that you mentioned would take a year to mention, I do not wish anybody to re-live any unpleasant experiences. But please choose one path or another. Either tell me that I can not talk to you about certain things because I don’t know details of your life, and be willing to share those details; Or refuse to share the details of your life and understand that you are willfully giving up your say in what is “taboo”.
To be honest, the only context of racism that I have seen from you is racism of whites oppressing blacks in the USA. You have hinted that you have been on the receiving end of injustice, and for that you have my sympathies. But your insinuations and blanket-judgement of whites shows that you are very short sighted and can not see past, or otherwise do not care past your own experiences. You insist that presumptions are not made about you, yet there is no apparent hesitation for you to presume things about me. So much hypocritical thinking from someone that appears to be very bright. I can’t understand it except that to assume your wounds must be incredibly deep, so who am I then to blame you?
Well I’m not going to blame you because I am in no position to do so. However no matter how bad things were or are, without forgiveness and healing things will never get better. I’m not going to give up that fight. There are a lot of countries in this world, and there are a lot of cultures in these countries. The real face of racism is worldwide, culture-wide, and that real face of racism has many “colors”. Sexism by the way, is also a huge problem throughout the world.
My eyes are as open as I know how to make them, and I am always willing to learn how to open them further. This tit-for-tat mindset will perpetuate the problem forever. In the real world we all must live in, equality is a lie, and fairness is a lie. Nothing will ever be perfectly equal or perfectly fair. The only way society can get along and work is that individuals realize this and are willing to forgive and look to the future. I have plenty of forgiveness to dish out, and plenty of forgiveness to ask for.
I am sorry if you feel that your scabs are being torn off, that is not at all the intention. This is however a table of discussion that everybody joins willingly. By all means beat me up, if you see flaws in me put my nose in them.
LikeLike
Subscribing.
LikeLike
@ Don
If you want to fight the good fight for equality, you can do it by yourself.
I will no longer hold the hand of any white person to guide, teach, train, explain, sympathize and pity them for the destruction that which they created. This country was built, founded, made stinking rich and continues to thrive on the basis of hate, masked as ” good ole-fashioned values.”
The level of hypocrisy is brilliant. But, you are the ONLY ones who believe in your own hype. Countries all over the world curse white America. Whites from Europe are offended to be labeled as “white” due to the negative connotation.
It’s your fight.
I’ve fought my whole life and I’m damn tired.
I won’t be responding further.
You can figure out a way to un-brainwash yourself.
LikeLike
Don
Do you still think you know better than me? LOL!
LikeLike
@truthbetold
Yes I do want to, and I will do it by myself if need be. I hope one day that you can find a cause or a problem to fight for that you really truly believe is bad enough and valuable enough to fight for tirelessly. We’re all unique so it isn’t the same cause for everybody.
Your false assumptions and accusations about me are forgiven. Take care.
LikeLike
@destructure
I think perhaps you have me mixed up with someone else? I don’t believe I’ve ever previously directly responded to you or anything you’ve said?
LikeLike
Don is great. The more you slap him the more he likes it. hehe
LikeLike
After the Trayvon Martin murder, my family and I sat down and had a no holds barred plan on what to do when we go out.
I used to drive 15 minutes to the Dairy Queen on warm summer nights here in the country-side. Or walk to Otter Lake with a telescope.
Not anymore.
We will always take a cell phone, flashlight and company, any company where ever we go from now on.
I am so damn sad by this killing. It’s bothered me for weeks now and I couldn’t put my finger on why. My brother says it’s because he reminds me of Andrew, our nephew. It’s true. Trayvon’s baby-face does look a lot like my nephew’s.
Guys, I have a bad feeling about this.
I think this will be the catalyst for a riot.
LikeLike
Truthbetold, I know how you feel, I look at his babyface and feel pain in my heart that someone could just shoot him down like a dog.
Don’t feel so pessimistic, steps are being taken in Sanford to admonish the police investigators and get things moving…
then again, you may just be right if this guy doesn’t get arrested.
LikeLike
@ anyone,
Do you think that race realists attach such importance to their lack of melanin pigment in their skin because they have little else to feel proud about? Would a secure person degrade an accomplished people (Blacks) explicitly based on physiological differences? Would they attempt to tie everything back to ethnic difference?
Who else thinks that they are extremely insecure individuals?
LikeLike
@personinmotion
We white race realists have much to be proud of, and “lack of melanin pigment in their skin” is not one of them. That’s just how we are. It’s not what we did.
degrade an accomplished people (Blacks) explicitly based on physiological differences. Blacks are accomplished, especially in sports and entertainment, but less accomplished in the USA in other endevours requiring cognitive skills.
Why do you think we are “extremely insecure individuals”? Our race realism is an opinion we hold, it does not define our entire life or personality. So, why do you feel we are insecure? I’ve never seen any reason given for this oft-quoted statement. Do you have a reason for stating it or are you just trying to demean and insult us?
LikeLike
@ personinmotion
Does Bliff answer your question?
LikeLike
@ truthbetold
To best of his ability. Which is not saying much. LOL
LikeLike
@ truthbetold,
And he says race realism doesn’t define his whole personality. I would beg to disagree. As soon as you find out that someone has the capacity for such ignorance, that bleeds to every aspect to them. You know what their true nature is.
LikeLike
Who else thinks that they are extremely insecure individuals?
Does a bear shi+ in the woods?
That’s just how we are.
That reads like a refrain from a song!
Blacks are accomplished, especially in sports and entertainment
What about the blacks who lack rythmn, jumping and running skills, dancing, singing, caterwauling, declaiming etc? You forget that black women are sexually insatiable and the black men have bigger than average genitals. Most men I know would rather have larger genitals than brains. A Trillion dollar industry in genital enhancement bears proof of this!
Our race realism is an opinion we hold, it does not define our entire life or personality.
You know you are right. I have very strong opinions on who makes the best chocolate in the world(Belgian). However it does not rule my life unless I am jonesing for a chocolate bar. Then it becomes the centre of my world for a short time!(ten seconds)
I’ve never seen any reason given for this oft-quoted statement.
The fact that you denigrate one group over another I suppose…..
Do you have a reason for stating it or are you just trying to demean and insult us?
Oh no, I think you’re wonderful Bliff!
LikeLike
I thought ya’ll might want to check this out:
http://www.blackyouthproject.com/2012/03/deryl-dedmon-gets-life-sentence-for-hate-crime-murder/
LikeLike
@ Brothawolf,
The family showed a lot of grace in requesting he not be given the death penalty.
@ Abagond,
I thought you might find this interesting. Appropriation at it’s best:
http://www.thenation.com/article/166961/reproductive-rights-and-long-hand-slave-breeding
LikeLike
@ Brothawolf
Great news!!! I love how the family did not ask for the death penalty in such a terrible murder. Wow.
LikeLike
Ace and Abagond,
Yea. I thought so too.
LikeLike
@personinmotion
And he says race realism doesn’t define his whole personality. I would beg to disagree. As soon as you find out that someone has the capacity for such ignorance, that bleeds to every aspect to them.
I don’t see any reason why this is necessarily true. Just because someone has an opinion about another group of people, does not mean that defines their entire personality.
So, again, I ask you – why is a race realist like myself necessarily an insecure person?
Why don’t you try answering the question this time instead of insulting me? If don’t answer it, I’ll assume you’re just here to insult other commenters….and that makes you a troll.
LikeLike
@Herneith
Awww, Herneith. I nominate you for Angry Black Woman of this blog. Your junior high attempts at sarcasm are as sad as they are boring and ineffectual. (When you were young, did you hear your name being called around the house alot? Like your Mom yelling, “Herneith!! Have you finally cleaned your room like I told you to, young lady?)
Why don’t you try answering the question also – why is a race realist like myself necessarily an insecure person?
“The fact that you denigrate one group over another” still doesn’t mean that I’m insecure; I just have an interest in race relations.
If you answer it , I’ll assume you’re just here to insult – and that also makes you a troll.
Looking forward to your carefully considered answer.
Does a bear shi+ in the woods? The best of 6th grade, along with “Is the Pope Catholic?” and “Make like a drum and beat it.”
LikeLike
“Your junior high attempts at sarcasm are as sad as they are boring and ineffectual.”
Well if that isn’t the sink calling the bath white.
LikeLike
To the white commenters:
Are you racist?
LikeLike
“Are you racist?”
Depends on the point of view.
Do I joke around with stereotypes? Indeed, I joke about my self being a half-breed.
Do I see skin colour? I do, but I don’t see people with lighter-skin as being better than anyone. Nor do I see the need for people to degrade people of their own said heritage simply because they have darker/lighter skin.
Nor do I see Europeans(in the racial term, not national term), Africans, Asians or anyone else (ethnic included) as being better than any of the others.
So am I a racist? Only outside views can judge.
LikeLike
@Robert
How goes it?
Some 80’s ‘choons’ for ya…
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3AEBplqtb4)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi49eeCwnVQ)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daJ15enu8PI)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccenFp_3kq8)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDNAQAYhvmo)
I have ALL of these on vinyl….
LikeLike
@ Demerera
Nice selection thanks. It goes good thanks how are you?
Here’s one for you –
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWz9VN40nCA)
lol
LikeLike
Why the heck is Santorum, the GOP’s culture warrior, shooting right now in lieu of Trayvon’s death? Trying to shore up votes with the GOP faithful?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23/rick-santorum-gun-firing-range-obama_n_1375756.html
LikeLike
@Yawn
Depends on the point of view.
Do I joke around with stereotypes? Indeed, I joke about my self being a half-breed.
Do I see skin colour? I do, but I don’t see people with lighter-skin as being better than anyone. Nor do I see the need for people to degrade people of their own said heritage simply because they have darker/lighter skin.
Nor do I see Europeans(in the racial term, not national term), Africans, Asians or anyone else (ethnic included) as being better than any of the others.
So am I a racist? Only outside views can judge
A simple ‘maybe’ would’ve sufficed.
LikeLike
“A simple ‘maybe’ would’ve sufficed.”
But that’s the point, I can not logically call myself a racist when the term gets thrown out left and right with tons of meanings.
I will say I AM somewhat bias when it comes to racial viewpoints, but in any point I’m not as delusional as some of these sad whites here.
LikeLike
@bliff:
“why is a race realist like myself necessarily an insecure person?”
Why? Because the term race realism is pseudoname for racism. I know because I know a former racist skinhead who is now just a “race realist” and decent individual 😀 osrry, a good person like you americans like to say.
Also if you were secure you would not have the need to pop up here arguing back and forth, you would be happy to be among your ideological brethren. But you are no quite that sure, so you come here to get your “I am right” fixes. If you were secure about your thoughts, you would not need those. You would not have to prove anything.
Like the japanese say: A Mountain does not move.
@truthtobetold:
I try to not to be one. It is not that easy in our racially loaded world.
LikeLike
Yawn,
Racism is NOT logical at all, and most likely, the ones who know what a racist is are likely the ones who have been victims of racism.
You say you’re not as delusional as some of the sad whites here, but regardless of whether you believe it or not, you are showing some symptoms.
LikeLike
Article on the devaluation of Black life.
http://www.theroot.com/buzz/devaluation-black-life
LikeLike
@brothawolf
I suppose I can’t blame you for not knowing what a philosopher is, as apparently you have never been the victim of philosophy.
I wonder, can you recognize silly when it doesn’t come from you? Can you learn to recognize silly when it does come from you?
You too are showing some symptoms.
LikeLike
Just reading these few comments…
They have answered all my questions.
LikeLike
@Don
I know what a philosopher is, and even if I didn’t, that doesn’t make my point any less important as opposed to yours.
To answer your question let me say this. For a long time, I didn’t recognize silly. I was blind. Until, somehow I started seeing what I could not see. After a while, what seemed normal was really insane.
So, not to sound arrogant, I would have to say yes.
LikeLike
Bi-racial = ’51/50′ to most. Choose, enlist, shoot.
Logic and rationality are best expressed in class.
Class is a racist system in America.
LikeLike
Zimmerman is supposedly, bi-racial.
He shot, He chose a side.
Obviously, it wasn’t the Black side
Unless, Zimmerman is a moderate in the age of Obama.
LikeLike
personally, I’m dark skinned, and skin color has never been a problem with me at all, but this was still an interesting documentary. do other people face such deep problems regarding skin tone? I don’t think skin tone affects beauty, I’ve always seen it as facial structure, and having healthy, radiant skin. whether it looks like Iman’s or Doutzen Kroes. I’ve never associated dark skin with being “bad”, I’m actually shocked at how the “issue” was portrayed in this short film. Do people really skin bleach like that? I don’t understand, it doesn’t change their appearance, really, it’s just skin tone. Anyways, I thought this might be relevant to to this blog
LikeLike
@Robert
“Let’s get physical”…..now there’s an offer 😉
@Bulanik
Thanks for the link – quite a fusion of instruments, and culture there. Nice 🙂
LikeLike
@ Bulanik
Thanks, that was quite a mix. 🙂
@Demerera and Bulanik
Some for the weekend:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t3qtgO1wHc)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH3rx8LhrQo&ob=av3e)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB96ObBuWfI)
LikeLike
@sam
Also if you were secure you would not have the need to pop up here arguing back and forth, you would be happy to be among your ideological brethren.
Apparently, Sam you know nothing of the spirit of free speech or about the exchange of ideas. Sure, you can come here where everybody agrees with you and you can trash America, white people, and people who you don’t agree with you. I bet you would like no one to come here with any ideas different than your own. In this regard, I am your Worst Nightmare.
But you are no quite that sure, so you come here to get your “I am right” fixes. If you were secure about your thoughts, you would not need those.
Could this not apply to you and others on this blog who come here to think in unison? Maybe YOU are the one who needs to have his ideas validated by others who think just like you.
I think you may have a little of the White Saviour Complex, Sam. You make sure you’re out in front of this whole race thing, like Tim Wise, attacking other whites first, lest you be criticized. It must suck to think like you.
LikeLike
@Bliff
Apparently, Sam you know nothing of the spirit of free speech or about the exchange of ideas. Sure, you can come here where everybody agrees with you and you can trash America, white people, and people who you don’t agree with you. I bet you would like no one to come here with any ideas different than your own. In this regard, I am your Worst Nightmare.
First off, free speech doesn’t just apply to you and your ilk. Just like you can say the most racist, redundant rhetoric that has already been said millions of times, Sam and everyone else can verbally disagree and argue.
Second, let’s be honest. Are you really here for an exchange of ideas, or are you here to suppress them with your “race realism”? It’s one thing to engage in forums and conversations, but it’s another to expect others to agree with you or else be discounted for being disagreeable.
Could this not apply to you and others on this blog who come here to think in unison? Maybe YOU are the one who needs to have his ideas validated by others who think just like you.
I think you may have a little of the White Saviour Complex, Sam. You make sure you’re out in front of this whole race thing, like Tim Wise, attacking other whites first, lest you be criticized. It must suck to think like you.
We come here to escape from the kind of mindset that surrounds us daily that tells us we are worthless, subhuman, and expendable. It’s the same mindset you have. It’s the same mindset that has maintained its position for hundreds of years. It has lived on by people like you.
Why is it that you and other whites who think like you can’t take criticism let alone advice about your habits, idealism, mentality, and past and present misdeeds? Why is that automatically seen as attacks on whites?
White people have used their white supremacist mindset to make it appear that blacks have biological and psychological deficiencies just because they aren’t white. It’s the kind of mentality you chose and accepted. So, why must we, including blacks, follow suit? Why is it wrong to think that this white supremacist campaign was a load of crap?
Tell me something: I’ve asked this question to Doug, but he hasn’t answered. Would you tell a black youth that he is she has inferior qualities like you believe in?
LikeLike
@ Brothawolf
Bliff would be like most racist whites. He’d tell a black youth that he is a worthless, good for nothing, subhuman, expendable, unintelligent piece of scum…all with a smile and sleep like a baby.
LikeLike
@Herneith
@personinmotion
I haven’t seen any answers to my question yet. Come on, let’s hear it. Why does a race realist like me necessarily have to be an insecure person?
LikeLike
@brothawolf
I see your true colors. You just want to close your mind and think of all blacks as poor victims and all whites as racists. You have no desire to hear anyting else.
Are you really here for an exchange of ideas, or are you here to suppress them with your “race realism”? Of course. Any idea other than yours is suppression. That’s how you close down an exchange of ideas, you simply blame someone else for what you are actually doing.
We come here to escape from the kind of mindset that surrounds us daily that tells us we are worthless, subhuman, and expendable. To get away from this, you need to stay away from the black blogs, like this one. That’s the ONLY place you hear this crap. Sorry, it doesn’t happen out in the mainstream white world.
Why is it that you and other whites who think like you can’t take criticism let alone advice about your habits, idealism, mentality, and past and present misdeeds? Why is that automatically seen as attacks on whites? Reverse the situation between white and black. You are the one doing what you accuse me of doing.
Would you tell a black youth that he is she has inferior qualities like you believe in?I/i> I would give him a copy of Why Race Matters and ask him to read it and make up his own mind.
LikeLike
@ Bliff about “race realism”
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly – it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”
-Goebbels
PAZUZU!
LikeLike
@seventeen: “Bi-racial = ’51/50′ to most. Choose, enlist, shoot.” only ignorant people think that. it’s not hard embracing two cultures, if the two parents are even of different cultures
LikeLike
The trolls come here to feel better about themselves. Lol! Ha-lairious. They don’t have friends in real life so they create a virtual world to play out their race realist fantasy. What better way then in a predominantly POC forum. Almost reminiscent of the KKKs high days, how the good ol’ boys would run around in bedsheets terrorizing AA neighborhoods. Only difference between them now, is we can see right through them to their callous, stone-cold pericardium.
LikeLike
@Bliff
Well, that makes us even because I can see your true colors as well…My mind is wide open, but what’s the use in hearing something demeaning a million and one times?
Besides, you’re one to talk. You closed your mind and think all blacks are violent, unintelligent racists and whites as poor, innocent, intelligent victims.
Are you really here for an exchange of ideas, or are you here to suppress them with your “race realism”?
Of course. Any idea other than yours is suppression. That’s how you close down an exchange of ideas, you simply blame someone else for what you are actually doing.
The only problem with that statement coming from you is that it’s nothing new. Everything you’ve said, other white commentors that pass by here have said the same thing. It’s nothing new or productive.
“We come here to escape from the kind of mindset that surrounds us daily that tells us we are worthless, subhuman, and expendable.”
To get away from this, you need to stay away from the black blogs, like this one. That’s the ONLY place you hear this crap. Sorry, it doesn’t happen out in the mainstream white world.
That doesn’t make a lick of sense. Why stay away from a site that help give mental and emotional refuge from a white supremacist society? That’s the point! We are sick and tired of hearing the kind of crap you and your kind dump on all the time in the mainstream white world.
“Why is it that you and other whites who think like you can’t take criticism let alone advice about your habits, idealism, mentality, and past and present misdeeds? Why is that automatically seen as attacks on whites?”
Reverse the situation between white and black. You are the one doing what you accuse me of doing.
You can’t even answer that question with a straight answer can you?
Besides, we’ve been harshly judged, criticized, and dehumanized ever since your ancestors first laid eyes on us, and it’s still continues to this day by racist white people such as yourself.
The problem is that to this day, many of you don’t know us. Yet, you see us as one fucked up monolith born to fail and run society to the ground. But like a typical immature male, you won’t admit it outright.
“Would you tell a black youth that he is she has inferior qualities like you believe in?I”
I would give him a copy of Why Race Matters and ask him to read it and make up his own mind.
Again, you can’t answer directly can you? I asked would YOU tell a black youth in your words and not someone else’s that they have inferior qualities as opposed to whites? Yes or no.
LikeLike
@Bliff
I haven’t seen any answers to my question yet. Come on, let’s hear it. Why does a race realist like me necessarily have to be an insecure person?
Let me take a whack at this:
It’s because you need to somehow feel justified and proud of being white despite the horrible sins you’ve committed on the people of color who’s scars are still visible today.
You want to take somehow take comfort in that what happened in the bloodied past was somehow mere proof of the supposed supposed superiority of whites.
You want to feel better about yourself being a white person because maybe, just maybe you have nothing else going on and achieved very little or nothing at all compared to the POC, especially blacks who have done and accomplished more than you.
Lastly, you want to make black victims of past and present crimes somehow responsible for their own destruction and you need to prove that white people are superior by hearing about white accomplishments, white inventions and their inventors, and biological intelligence theories that places whites on certain pedestals while painting black people as naturally inferior.
In other words you need black people to fail and fall to lift your depressed ass up.
LikeLike
Rekia Boyd. That is all.
LikeLike
@ Bliff
“I haven’t seen any answers to my question yet. Come on, let’s hear it. Why does a race realist like me necessarily have to be an insecure person?”
I can offer some more. Sorry about the length but I feel that just posting each point without explanation wouldn’t say much.
Because race realists, like all racists, are lacking something in their lives. They are also display many fears.
1. The Fear of having no significance in the world. Human beings naturally want to leave their own impact, their own legacy. Being white guaranteed you could at least be a part of a collective one, no matter your own significance. Race realism provides a way to justify ignoring the legacy of others, or at least injecting yourself into theirs.
2. They have been hurt so badly by something that they need to lash out at an acceptable target. (Projecting their pain on entire group instead of logically thinking about why they feel that way) Black people have always been an acceptable group to tarnish and abuse, especially people who need to lash out at someone. Race realism provides the vehicle to do it with in a world where blatant racism isn’t protected anymore.
4. Fear of loss. They might be at risk of losing something and need someone to blame for that. (That way they are not responsible if they aren’t able to keep things stable in their lives.) It goes deeper than that though:
They realize that the “American Dream” (or it’s foreign equivalent) is not guaranteed. For the first time they are not entitled to the privileges that their “birthright” has always promised them, resources are too thin for that large piece of the pie their parents had. They just can’t keep up anymore without some sort of head start, they’ve never had to before. They aren’t prepared to compete with everyone else and it scares them. They also notice that other groups are tired of taking less than what they deserve. So they think that if they retreat into that idea of race realism they can justify getting what they didn’t work for and hopefully keep some of that extra privilege for themselves.
6. Fear of being alone, they need some sort of forced solidarity. They realize that their whiteness can be used as that tie, and they obsess over ways to separate themselves from people of other groups. They view it as a “club” they can be a part of, they can be “elite” with people they have at least one thing in common with. They think their whiteness can protect them, and race realism, of course can alleviate that insecurity. Sort of like “mean-girls”, or the Irish.
7. They know that racism is wrong, but due to their own inferiority complex, family history, or lack of pride for themselves they need to excuse it. They are afraid of being “bad” or “less than pristine”. They use race realism because it provides the views they need to justify it without really getting their hands dirty with slurs and intimidation.
8. They are just paranoid enough to believe the other races are working together to take them off of that pedestal, and they’re afraid of what those people can do. At their worst they think that if they give up these outdated viewpoints, they’re opening the door to a reverse situation with a lot of vindictive and angry people waiting to show them what that racism feels like. If they retreat to these old views of people of color without the violent vitriol (aka race realism), they can divide and conquer (hence the “Asians are also better than blacks” stuff), and keep their ivory tower in tact.
9. Plain old jealousy and envy. What better way to rob a more accomplished person of their pride and dignity than to dehumanize them? Race realism provides the way to to that without having to think of your own personal lack of accomplishment. You can dismiss them and everything they’ve done by seeing their race as a realistic flaw that diminishes them.
It’s why so many white people with insecurities seem to latch onto race realism. Your own failings hurt less when you can dull that pain, after all, it’s easier to lose out when you can bring down others with you. That is why race realists spend so much time trying to prove their views, especially to the very people they’re talking about. They need to feel like they’ve one upped someone or brought them down. How else can they feel any sort of importance?
When you feel small, and worthless, it’s easy to project your own failings onto others, especially when those “others” aren’t as protected as you are. Pretty much, the typical motivation of a bully, expanded to a whole point of view.
LikeLike
Ace,
I like your responses better than I like mine.
LikeLike
@bilff:
“I am your Worst Nightmare.”
BUAHHAHHAHHAH! That was hilarious, man!!
“Maybe YOU are the one who needs to have his ideas validated by others who think just like you.”
I don’t care one way or the other what anybody thinks about me or my ideas. They just happen to be in line with many here in many cases, BUT not in every case. Yes, we all dislike racist like you, that is the common theme here.
“I think you may have a little of the White Saviour Complex, Sam.”
This is gettin funnier and funnier! Who I have been saving here? You, on the other hand, are trying to save the American White Man. I’m not even imagin that I could or should save anyone. They are quite capable to save themselves.
“You make sure you’re out in front of this whole race thing, like Tim Wise, attacking other whites first, lest you be criticized”
Ööh, no. Sometimes I don’t visit here for weeks. Also I don’t wish nor need to be in front of anything. And, just so that you know it, I have been critized here by black, OH YES, black commentators and some whites too. My posts have been deleted many times. I have been called names. I have been told to get out. I have been etcetc. I guess you have not seen those, or, being the kind of guy you are, conviniently forget those.
“I haven’t seen any answers to my question yet. Come on, let’s hear it. Why does a race realist like me necessarily have to be an insecure person?”
Because you are scared little man inside. That is why. People who look different scare you so much you think about them all day long. That is why you are racist who calls him self a race realist. You are too scared even be open about your racism. Perhaps one day you over come your fears. Then you will no longer be insecure and so weak.
LikeLike
@Robert
Good selection, havent heard that 2nd one for a looooong time. Happy da’z’e….
LikeLike
@ Demerera
Thanks 🙂
LikeLike
Hey Sam,
I had another white troll used that same “Worst Nightmare” crap on me. I these white racists think they’re some kind of superhero or something.
LikeLike
@ brothawolf,
Thanks, but I think yours were a little more concise.
Also, racist superheroes? That makes sense, it can explain the generic batman back story they all seem to have.
LikeLike
@ Abagond,
Could you please write a post about the recent research regarding LOW white-racist IQs?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/intelligence-study-links-prejudice_n_1237796.html
Doug1 and company have spent so much time talking about Black IQs.
What about research that came out in the last few months on the astonishingly LOW white-racist IQs from an actually credible source!
Here is the original
http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/01/04/0956797611421206.abstract
LikeLike
@personinmotion,
I doubt Doug1 and his like-minded crew would pay much attention to this. They will claim it as being leftist which automatically discredits it. Then, they will go at great lengths how it’s just plain wrong by posting their HBD information. In the end they will ignore any credible source that makes them look like simpletons. If there’s one thing they don’t like to be is wrong.
@Ace,
Exactly. It’s laughable at best.
LikeLike
On another thread Melissa Jenkins said this:
Here is the picture:
Read more here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117638/Missouri-campground-deaths-3-children-woman-dead-Blue-Springs-resort.html?ito=feeds-newsxmlhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117638/Missouri-campground-deaths-3-children-woman-dead-Blue-Springs-resort.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
LikeLike
@ Personinmotion,
Oh wow…that cracks me up. Oh the irony of it all…it all makes sense now.
@ Brothawolf,
Isn’t it a never-ending cycle with them? They’ll be offended by something that says racists have low IQs, while at the same time running around throwing their HBD nonsense at everyone . If even their racism shows they’re lacking, what else would they have to feel important with?
It’s so laughable, every time I hear it I have shake my head. Soon they’re start doing the, “Oh I was attacked in a black neighborhood in ‘generic-black-place’ at night by a whole gang of the entire population of Detroit, who all conveniently had low IQs, were thugs, and all dropped out of school!”
LikeLike
@ Abagond,
Those poor little girls…
I am sure that if they were three little white girls, there’d be a huge outcry over it, i.e. Casey Anthony. I don’t know what’s worse, that this story was largely ignored, or that people are already trying to excuse what she’s done.
LikeLike
Thank you for posting the photo of these little girls. It is so hard to keep from crying especially when I look at the youngest girl.
LikeLike
@Ace
I am sure that if they were three little white girls, there’d be a huge outcry over it, i.e. Casey Anthony. I don’t know what’s worse, that this story was largely ignored, or that people are already trying to excuse what she’s done.
Either way it’s maddening. It just goes to show how the white owned media tries to portray white people as opposed to POC.
Abagond, will you do a post on this and how this presents an ongoing trend the news media has on children of color as opposed to white children?
LikeLike
Ace,
For me, I’m personally sick of hearing of those “I was attacked by a pack/gang or black men for no reason” stories as if they are legitimate reasons to start becoming racists, race realists or whatever they call themselves. I see it like this:
1. They were attacked by a group of black people once and it happened a long time ago. Like they tell us to get over centuries of slavery and oppression, we should tell them to get over that one incident. It’s funny how they want us to forget about the brutal past, but they hang on to this one brawl, if it happened.
2. A group of black people who’ve committed a crime equals to the majority or all of the black population with them. So, them getting their ass whooped by several blacks is like being attacked by millions of black people at one time in their minds.
3. If what they say is true, who’s to say they haven’t started anything with them in the first place? It’s no surprised that they may leave out that bit of information to justify their fears and hatred.
4. Most importantly, why should anyone believe people who believe in outdated race-based pseudoscience? Plus, we hear very often of stories of white people who have committed crimes against other whites or themselves, BUT they would blame it on a black person who NEVER EXISTED! So, why should we believe them especially when they bring it up at their convenience? They could be lying just to get attention because apparently, they can’t get any in the real world.
Honestly, this is the definition of a fractured or dismembered mind at its worst. lol
LikeLike
@brothawolf:
There’s a lot of that going on around with the racists who troll here.
LikeLike
I haven’t seen any answers to my question yet. Come on, let’s hear it. Why does a race realist like me necessarily have to be an insecure person?
The question you ask answers it all. I don’t have to tell you squat. Why do you care what others think espeacilly over the internet? Take your lithium! Keep the gut laughs coming!
That’s how you close down an exchange of ideas, you simply blame someone else for what you are actually doing.
What exchange of ideas? What’s he doing now? You can now add being able to see through your computer what others are doing! The receptors in your brain are causing you to emit subdural hematological gaseous anomalies via the internet. Take some ex-lax!
Sorry, it doesn’t happen out in the mainstream white world
Who cares? All those that give a hoot what ‘Bliff’ thinks, raise your hand!
LikeLike
“All those that give a hoot what ‘Bliff’ thinks, raise your hand!”
**Crickets chirping**
LikeLike
@ Brothawolf,
I agree wholeheartedly. Either way it’s terrible, and I frankly am tired of seeing little brown children ignored until it’s time for white people to use them for an agenda.
LikeLike
It’s just plain bothersome, and it always drags any conversation from serious and thought out down to just racist ranting and raving.
1. They also want people to forget every racist incident that has happened within the last twenty years. Meanwhile, they can remember that they were bullied by a black jock in high school, convenient right?
2. I know, it’s just so maddening because they always are the first to say “Oh don’t call all whites racist that’s so offensive!” They’re suspiciously fine with people making all sorts of blanket statements about black people.
3. They see themselves as guiltless by default. They never seem to talk about what they said to get that supposed “mob” after them in the first place, and yet they are real quick to blame any person of color who is attacked or harassed by a white person. .
4. Exactly! I know i’ve said it before in other posts, but even law enforcement calls the “Black people did it” excuse as a “eyebrow raiser” which tells them that the white culprit might be lying. It’s just been done so many times and every time white people actually committed the crime. I think they’re used to the days when using that was a code word for “Don’t cross me or I’ll have a lynch mob by your house this evening”, so they’re surprised that black people here aren’t taking them seriously.
It’s just so hilarious to watch them crash and burn while they scramble to post whatever copy and paste arguments from other “realists” who got theirs from Stormfront or something. You ever notice how they’re back-story all ends with them suddenly knowing “the truth” about black people, yet they believe no one here could possibly know the “truth” about them?
LikeLike
@Herneith
“I haven’t seen any answers to my question yet. Come on, let’s hear it. Why does a race realist like me necessarily have to be an insecure person?
The question you ask answers it all. I don’t have to tell you squat. Why do you care what others think espeacilly over the internet? Take your lithium! Keep the gut laughs coming!”
Again, Herneith, instead of a sensible exchange, you retort with childish remarks. It’s a simple question. Why don’t you act like an adult and actually respond?? It appears that you don’t have an answer. I think you’re the insecure one and you can’t respond intelligently.
So again – Why does a race realist like me necessarily have to be an insecure person?
LikeLike
@leigh204
Rah! Rah! Go team, go. Good chearleading, Leigh. Got substance?
LikeLike
@ Bliff,
Well I laid out plenty of reasons further up, and so did Brothawolf. It’s telling that you ignored those. So…maybe YOU should follow your own advice, act like an adult, and actually respond. Make sure you respond “intelligently”!
LikeLike
@Ace
Excuse me, but is your other name Herneith?? She was the one who I directed the comment towards.
I will handle you later.
LikeLike
@Ace
Everybody is guiltless by default, until they have shown otherwise. 🙂
@Bliff
I looked in to the “race realism” that you’re talking about. What a load of crap. Anybody who actually believes that is predisposed to believe it. Statistics never give you the statistics of how many statistics were thrown away until the desired result is achieved. Statistics exist, or can quickly be created, to show that any race is “inferior”.
Here is your “worst nightmare”. One of my father’s best friends and my Godfather, Charles F. Bolden, Jr. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_F._Bolden,_Jr.
I don’t understand how in one breath you can ridicule someone for “caring what others think, especially over the internet”, and then insist for the umpteenth time that someone tells you what they think, over the internet.
You’ve broken rule #1 of trolling, make damn sure you’re never guilty of the same thing you ridicule others for… closely followed by “no spelling or grammatical errors”. Your trolling-fu could use some polish.
LikeLike
Your trolling-fu could use some polish.
”
”
@ Don
LOL!
LikeLike
Here’s another ‘charming’ incident – good grief, is there something in the air?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17509969
LikeLike
@ Bliff,
If you can’t respond like your expecting other people here to, then maybe you shouldn’t tell Hernieth what to reply to or how to reply. Your “like adults” part was particularly hilarious. Scolding only works when you do what you tell others to do.
@ Don,
I could agree with that.
Also Charles F. Bolden? Wow. Perhaps Bliff will try to will that out of existence.
@ Sepultura13,
Oh but don’t you know it never happens? No one guns down black teens! Right? It’s all in your imagination!
LikeLike
@ Ace:
Oh, trust me, I know!!! Just like black woman roam the streets, just SEARCHING and LOOKING for ‘innocent’ WW to splash acid on because we’re so ‘jealous of their beauty’! 🙄
I just realized something – it’s near the end of the month, isn’t it? It would appear that the resident trolls are low on their much-needed meds…that would explain why they’re crawling out of the woodwork. I’m really trying to see if there’s a pattern, LOL! 😎
LikeLike
@ sepultura13,
Yes, I knew it! I’m going to have to watch out because Tyra Banks, Naomi Cambell, and Michelle Obama must all be waiting in the bushes to throw acid on me due to my illustrious “white beauty”!
Attention starved wishful thinking, I suppose. I mean, they might actually have to better themselves if they didn’t stop inventing black boogeymen. And as we all know, they don’t want that.
LikeLike
@ Ace
1. The Fear of having no significance ….
2. They have been hurt so badly by something ….
4. Fear of loss.
6. Fear of being alone…
7. due to their own inferiority complex, family history, or lack of pride for themselves ….
8. They are just paranoid enough to believe the other races are working together to take them off of that pedestal…
9. Plain old jealousy and envy. …
When you feel small, and worthless….
Ace, what did you do? Just go to a psychology textbook and list every emotional disorder you could find? That’s exactly what it sounds like you did here. You might have had a chance if you listed one or two maladies, but you didn’t. You simply listed every one that you could find. That does not seem realistic.
I am having a hard time believing you actually wrote all those 10 points or so yourself. You took that from somewhere, didn’t you?
You failed to show how you know I have these maladies.
As I seen before, you blacks see race realism as an emotional response,i.e, fear, inferiority, paranoid, jealousy, envy. In reality, I believe in race realism as a result of what I have learned over a period of time. It’s a rational-brain thing, not an emotional-brain thing.
I see that is a big difference between blacks and whites. Blacks tend to process things emotionally, and especially taking everything personally. They have a hard time abstracting and thinking about things rationally compared to whites.
You can see in on this blog. Most of the white commenters try to explain things rationally. The blacks are normally responding not only emotionally, but from their own narrow, self-interest, i.e, what’s it mean to me, and only me, or maybe only to black people.
LikeLike
@ Bliff,
Actually I came up with it all myself. I’m just highly educated and I also pay attention to how people treat each other. It makes it easier to be able to see patterns and lump them together.
I don’t know you personally. I can only view things academically and list reasons why people choose race realism. You fit many of the examples based on your responses. You seem to have a need to come here and say racist things. You appear to get something out of repeating the same arguments, even though you are constantly refuted. You seem to have a need to feel better than someone, and race realism is your way because you don’t have to actually work to be better. You can just list some “facts” about a certain group and have a way to put yourself above them. If you were truly secure with yourself, you wouldn’t feel the need to do that.
Why do you personally need to subscribe to that view? Why do you need to feel better than black people? What do you gain from pointing out how white people are “better”? Do you feel better when you’ve talked down to a black person?
Race is an emotional response because it effects them personally. You don’t like being insulted, right? Well, why should they have to sit there and be talked down to? If race realists really thought rationally, they would be able to shift their opinion as they receive new evidence instead of just retreating into the same dogma. People wouldn’t be racist if they thought logically or rationally. But people who are racist have a self-interest in catering to their own ego and that prevents them from applying any real logic into a conversation.
For example: You have no real evidence of your conclusion about who thinks rationally and who thinks emotionally, but you do have your racist view. But that racist view just twists things so that it fits your perspective instead of you trying to understand another perspective.
Most white commenters come on here and say some god-awful things and black people are not suddenly irrational for arguing back with them. Many blacks have said rational things that you’ve chosen to ignore. If you only think in a way that caters to your racist views and show no interest in seeing things from a their perspective, then you are the one thinking within narrow self-interest. The only reality that exists in a racist’s mind is their own, because that is the only reality that would truly cater to an idea where a person’s race determines their potential and their character. Real life doesn’t work that way.
LikeLike
@Ace
Yes!!
LikeLike
@Ace
Everything you say about me, I could say about you, and it would be equally, if not more, valid.
You seem to have a need to come here and say racist things. Not true, I come here because I find the subject of race relations interesting. I have no other reason to come here. I have little to do with black people in my real life, so my interest is not emotional, just an interest, like someone may be interested in astronomy, gardening, or weaving.
You appear to get something out of repeating the same arguments, even though you are constantly refuted. It is your narrow opinion that I am refuted. Usually all I get on this site is Black Logic – ya know, trash talking. The black commenters here, including you, feel that if they can gang up and trash talk someone with a different opinion, then they’ve “won”.
You seem to have a need to feel better than someone</iat Not true. I believe black people are less intelligent, are more impulsive, and plan less than white people because that explains the condition of black people in US. You are lazy and just want to blame your condition on whites, instead of improving your own life. That is very black.
People wouldn’t be racist if they thought logically or rationally. Not true. Racism, or race realism, is based on there being significant differences between the races. According to my observation, that true. By the way, I was a race realist before coming to this site. Since I’ve been here, I am MORE of race realist than before. The blacks here are not interested in being fair or even discussing race relations fairly. They simply want to bash whites. Abagond himself is no better.
You have no real evidence of your conclusion about who thinks rationally and who thinks emotionally It is based upon what I’ve observed. It is ESPECIALLY based upon what I have learned here on this very blog.
Most white commenters come on here and say some god-awful things and black people You unfairly trash white people along with nearly all the other blacks on this blog.
If you only think in a way that caters to your racist views and show no interest in seeing things from a their perspective You’re still the pot calling the kettle black. You have no interest in any views other than your own Black Racist views.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
And, white men’s rate of suicide is also the highest. They just can’t control their destructive emotions! They kill themselves at the highest rates when that ‘famous’ rationality and control breaks down
Cheap shot. I expected out of you. However, you’ve just degraded to the level of the other black commenters here.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
I expected better out of you.
I do need to proofread a lot better.
LikeLike
Ah, yes – the maturity level is now exposed! Basically, that quote can be broken down thusly:
“I’m made out of rubber and you’re made out of glue.
Everything you say bounces off of me and sticks – to – YOU!!!”
Wow, that took SO much thought!
* dying with laughter *
LikeLike
@Bulanik
in their upside-down, lizard-brain way, Yep, no credibility left, whatsoever.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Wow. This is really interesting and makes a lot of sense. Mental health is a very serious issue and its often not taken seriously at all. Its so important to understand and appreciate what makes different people tick.
Thanks for sharing this awareness about this affliction that can and does affect such a large group of people.
LikeLike
So again – Why does a race realist like me necessarily have to be an insecure person? ,
You don’t get it do you? i don’t have to anything except stay black and die and that includes responding ‘sensibly’ to your maniacal ramblings. You are to be roundly mocked and shown to be the buffoon you truly are. What was my first clue? The onset of your posts here. As soon as you made mention of being a ‘race realist’, I could, and would never take you and others of your ilk seriously. I must however laud you for the unremitting laughter you provide! Discuss!
I will handle you later.
Is that a threat or a promise? Sober up!
They have a hard time abstracting and thinking about things rationally compared to whites.
How do you explain all those white women at the BINGO Parlour, fighting over ‘lucky’ tables and robbing jackpot winners as they leave?
Most of the white commenters try to explain things rationally.
You mean you and your ‘race realist’ toadies! The other whites are just nuts.
The blacks are normally responding not only emotionally, but from their own narrow, self-interest
I don’t know about the other woe-betided, downtrodden negroes here, but I respond from a position of jocularity. You are hilarious.
what’s it mean to me, and only me, or maybe only to black people.
Your right! All I can think of is winning at BINGO tonight!
I believe black people are less intelligent, are more impulsive, and plan less than white people because that explains the condition of black people in US.
I believe white people are perverts, have sex less than black people because the men have small genitals. That explains their need to deride and denigrate black people, at their base they are insecure!
According to my observation, that true.
You are full of shi+. You just wrote that you have little or no exposure to blacks in the real world. How can your observations be true?
LikeLike
@Ace
“Everything you say about me, I could say about you, and it would be equally, if not more, valid.”
Would it? I don’t see myself coming online and throwing my opinions about an entire race of people out as fact. I also don’t constantly denigrate all people with my statements. I have nothing to get out of it, and I’ve worked on myself enough that I don’t need to trash others to feel better.
” Not true, I come here because I find the subject of race relations interesting. I have no other reason to come here. I have little to do with black people in my real life, so my interest is not emotional, just an interest, like someone may be interested in astronomy, gardening, or weaving.”
First of all, your responses seem awful emotional for just an “interest”. Secondly, if you have little to do with black people in your life, why do you think you know so much about them?
“It is your narrow opinion that I am refuted. Usually all I get on this site is Black Logic – ya know, trash talking. The black commenters here, including you, feel that if they can gang up and trash talk someone with a different opinion, then they’ve “won”.”
Including me? Yet again, you’ve grouped me with black people just because I disagree with you in a way you do not like. This proves the problem with your bias. You are so intent in proving something about black people that you have not been able to actually have an actual conversation. You have trashed talked plenty of people here, then say blanket statements about blacks as if you’ve proven a point or won. So how are you really any better?
“Not true. I believe black people are less intelligent, are more impulsive, and plan less than white people because that explains the condition of black people in US. You are lazy and just want to blame your condition on whites, instead of improving your own life. That is very black.”
Says the person who needs to portray blacks as inferior? Could I say that is “very white”? How do you know that I am lazy or blame my condition on whites? Again, because I don’t agree with you? I’ve had a blessed life, that many people of all races would envy.
“Not true. Racism, or race realism, is based on there being significant differences between the races. According to my observation, that true. By the way, I was a race realist before coming to this site. Since I’ve been here, I am MORE of race realist than before. The blacks here are not interested in being fair or even discussing race relations fairly. They simply want to bash whites. Abagond himself is no better.”
But there isn’t significant difference. The real world doesn’t work that way. Abagond is no more likely to like watermelon than you are. The fact that some article on an HBD site says otherwise doesn’t make that fact true. You don’t discuss race or race relations fairly, you tease, denigrate and talk down to the black people here, and then end up saying racist things that make your arguments fall apart. You simply want to trash blacks, so in reality, you can’t complain. At least Abagond talks about actual behavior and takes time to say “not all”.
“It is based upon what I’ve observed. It is ESPECIALLY based upon what I have learned here on this very blog.”
But you said you had little to do with blacks in your life. So which is it? And you can’t learn how an entire population thinks from a blog, so just where did you draw your conclusions?
” You unfairly trash white people along with nearly all the other blacks on this blog.”
Odd, did I say white people were “less intelligent” or “more impulsive”? Did I make blanket statements? I think you did that in regards to black people. Holding people accountable for their words and actions does not equate to unfairly trashing. This is not preschool. You don’t get your hand held after saying rude things to people and acting like a petulant child. There are plenty of white people who can have normal conversations here without having to insult black people, and they don’t feel unfairly trashed. If you didn’t make blanket statements or prove Abagond right, you wouldn’t get the response you do.
“You’re still the pot calling the kettle black. You have no interest in any views other than your own Black Racist views.”
Says the guy who dismisses any views that disagree with him as “black racism”? You prove my point every time.
Again, if you were more secure with yourself, you wouldn’t have to act this way.
LikeLike
@Herneith:
OK, you won’t answer me directly, so I’ll assume you don’t have a good answer. That is very black of you, to do things the hard way, like drug dealer who work hard at dealing drugs, but won’t work hard at real work. You’d rather spend time childishly mocking me, but not take the small amount of time required to compose a real answer.
BINGO!! You do lead a boring life, don’t you?
You just wrote that you have little or no exposure to blacks in the real world. How can your observations be true? No, I said ” I have little to do with black people in my real life”, meaning the ones I do know have no real effect on me, one way or the other. There are other ways to know things, i.e, the MEDIA, including Internet, books, TV, articles, etc. In fact, you can learn more about more people this way, than from the just the few people a person actually encounters in their daily life.
LikeLike
Almost nothing you say can be refuted because your statements generally lack any substance to begin with. When confronted with information you don’t like or want to hear, you just ignore or shut it down with preprogrammed responses and snarky comebacks.
Furthermore, I can tell that half the horse nuggets that come out of your mouth have their origin in someone else’s backside. You often use key words and phrases that many White supremacists use. I can definitely tell you read a lot of White racist propaganda.
You don’t have an “opinion”, Bliff. You parrot someone else’s opinion, which you attempt to smear on everyone around you. Do you even know how to work the cockpit or is it on auto-pilot?
Come on now, just admit that your “race realism” is just a euphemism for your narrow-minded racist beliefs. Quit this pseudo-intellectual posturing. You’re being disingenuous here.
LikeLike
There are other ways to know things, i.e, the MEDIA, including Internet, books, TV, articles, etc. In fact, you can learn more about more people this way, than from the just the few people a person actually encounters in their daily life.
Yeah, the bloke that lives down the road from me is just like Homer Simpson and on a Friday he likes to get in a drunken brawl.
@Bulanik, the man I refer to does like slightly yellow due to alcohol poisoning no doubt, but he’s ginger. Is this one of the effects of the illness you were talking about here? If so, then its true, you can learn as much watching sitcoms on the telly as in real life. Its very sad to see him chasing the kids down the road chanting ‘you little p*ki f*ckers’ when he’s in a rage though but I guess thats one of the other side effects ….
P.S If you agree with people like them will they be less likely to remonstrate and get upset all the time?
LikeLike
@Bliff
”I have little to do with black people in my real life”, meaning the ones I do know have no real effect on me, one way or the other. There are other ways to know things, i.e, the MEDIA, including Internet, books, TV, articles, etc. In fact, you can learn more about more people this way, than from the just the few people a person actually encounters in their daily life.
Let me get this straight. Are you trying to say that you learn about black people from the media (which is in caps), internet, books, TV, articles, etc.?
LikeLike
@SomeGuy
babble, babble, babble. That’s all I got out your post. Obviously, you have nothing to say, but to insult me. Why don’t you try countering what I said? Instead of just insulting me?
Here’s one for you, genius. Many people here say I am a race realist because I am insecure, low esteem, whatever. I say it is just a conclusion I’ve come to based on what I’ve seen, read, etc.
All the great progressive Black Minds here have not been able to construct an intelligent response. All I get is abuse.
Since you’ve stepped in it, why don’t you try answering the question – if you can. I’m betting you’ll just throw more racist insults out there. Get going, genius, let’s see your response.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Whites tend to process things emotionally, and especially taking everything personally. They have a hard time abstracting and thinking about things rationally compared to blacks.
Those 2 preceding paragraphs are from Bliff above, but I have changed around the ‘colours’.
Nice second grade try, Bulanik. Can you color also? Perhaps you don’t fully understand language just yet, since you’re still in second grade, mentally.
Just randoming changing words around in a sentence does not result in a new sentence with any meaning. Watch, genius:
Words around does in a not sentence result in a just new meaning randoming any changing sentence with.
See, no meaning. That’s what you did.
LikeLike
I see Bliff hasn’t answered by question, and yet, he still parades as if he is the holder of knowledge.
LikeLike
@Don
I looked in to the “race realism” that you’re talking about. What a load of crap. You haven’t explained why.
Anybody who actually believes that is predisposed to believe it. Not true. There are differences between the races. Nearly all the blacks on this site would believe they are different than whites, though for different reasons than my reasons. There does not have to be any predisposition. From what I have observed, read, and come to understand, there are race differences. Can you show that there are not race differences, or do you just assume we are all “equal” in every respect.
Statistics never give you the statistics of how many statistics were thrown away until the desired result is achieved. Inane, meaningless statement.
Statistics exist, or can quickly be created, to show that any race is “inferior”. You need to read more closely. I never said “inferior” because that would mean it in an absolute way. I said blacks are less intelligent, more impulsive, and plan ahead less than whites. That means the distribution curves for these traits for blacks are shifted down from those of whites. You better learn to be more precise with your words, Don, or you’ll get ripped up on this site.
Here is your “worst nightmare”. One of my father’s best friends and my Godfather, Charles F. Bolden, Jr. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_F._Bolden,_Jr.
Bolden is black and an adminstrator at NASA. How is this my worst nightmare? Are you so naive to think that I don’t know there are Oprahs, Obamas, Herman Cains, and Boldens?? What did I say up above, Don. Intelligence is normally distributed among individuals of a population. Decades of evidence has shown the black distribution is shifted down by 1 standard deviation. That means that there are intelligent black people, just not as many, proportionately, as there are intelligent white people. Very intelligent black people are VERY rare. This explains why there will always be a few Oprahs, etc., but blacks overall are less intelligent than whites.
You better have your ducks in a much better order next time, Don, before you decide to take me on.
and then insist for the umpteenth time that someone tells you what they think, over the internet. If Herneith didn’t want to respond to my question, she should have just ignored me. But she kept on responding with childish insults. So, I kept baiting her, just to show everyone how childish she was responding.
You’ve broken rule #1 of trolling, make damn sure you’re never guilty of the same thing you ridicule others for And where did I do that, Don?
LikeLike
@brothawolf
I’m done with you, ‘bro. You’re boring and you have nothing to say.You just keep attacking me instead of actually responding to anything I say. I get enough of that here. I can’t answer all you clowns.
LikeLike
@Bliff
You can’t even bring yourself to answer a simple question because you are afraid that it will reveal a lot about how you think. So, for now, I’ll have to say that the answer is ‘yes’.
One more thing, I’m not the bully here and neither is Herneith, JT, Someguy, and anyone who questions your intelligence. YOU ARE.
You care that grade school kid that picks on other kids just to make you feel better, and just when they say “No more!” and dish back what you dish you, you accuse them of attacking you crying about how they are insulting you. That is how a bully operates. That is how YOU operate.
You are afraid of answering questions that expose your true nature for being here and how you think on a regular basis. That’s why you won’t answer certain questions and refute the answers to your questions. You are showing everyone here including Abagond that you are really a cowardly bully with a racist agenda and a fragile personality. You are extremely dense not to see it just like you and the rest of your race realist drones are too ignorant to know that your asses get whooped whenever you step inside this domain.
But you know what, I don’t want to waste my time talking to someone brave enough to say the things he does behind a computer, but wouldn’t say them to the very people he has such disdain for. At the end of the day you will continue thinking the way you think, and I will do the same.
Just two things to remember, don’t tell us how to think…or not think, and too much TV is bad for you.
Sayonara.
LikeLike
@ Bliff
Bliffy. old bean. No need to get your undies in a twist. I mean, do you really think you are the first bigot to come on here, stirring up trouble while pretending to be completely unbiased? Sadly, no. You aren’t the first and I’m fairly certain you won’t be the last.
You say you are a race realist. Ohhhh, how exciting! My nips are tingling!
Tell me, old Bliffenstein, how many races are there and who is a part of each race? After that, tell me how are mixed race people categorized. Thirdly, tell me which part of the genome is responsible for the differences in each race. While you are at it how you got into your “hobby” in the first place.
Now, before you go typing away, I’d also like peer reviewed sources for all of your info in triplicate. Before, I can evaluate you, I need to cut through all the semantics and know exactly what race realism means to you and what evidence has made you a staunch believer. Then I can answer your question properly.
You see, old Blifferatu. You can’t answer any of that. You believe in race realism because you want to believe in it. You don’t need “fact realism”. You believe from the heart. Emotional, like a prepubescent girl. You fight from your emotions and project this onto others. You emotionally insecure thing, you.
Confirmation bias is your friend. Give him a big hug for me.
You’re a neophyte, broham. Everyone here has dealt with people like you countless times. It is we who are tired of people like you. You aren’t making any new claims. Do a search on Abagond’s blog and you’ll find scores of counter arguments to your foolishness.
Now, dissolve and bring me what I asked for, so I can crush your bigoted ego with the heel of my boot.
LikeLike
@Bliff
Actually I did explain why it’s crap, but you chose to dismiss it as “inane”.
By all appearances you believe what you want to believe. If you come across something that you like, you assume it to be accurate. If you come across something that is not in accord with what you want to be true, you brush it off as meaningless, or you chalk it up to 1 in a million.
So I’m going to get ripped up on this site huh? By who, you?
One moment please.
Okay, whew, you can rest easy now. I lined up all my ducks. They’re in a row, honest. So now I can “take you on”.
I am calling your bluff, Bliff. I want to see the substance. Let’s see how deep your “race realism” goes. I am always open minded. Show me compelling evidence, and I will be compelled.
You claim to see differences between the races, and then try to put the burden of proof on me to refute you? No Bliff, you are making the claims, the burden of proof is on you. You need to quantify your claims, and you need to substantiate them with evidence.
You say that the intelligence of black people is “shifted down by 1 standard deviation”. Okay, I’ll go along with you that this is true. I’m also temporarily going to pretend that 1 standard deviation is actually considered significant by the scientific community. What, Bliff, is the value of your 1 standard deviation?
LikeLike
I can’t answer all you clowns.
Why not?
If Herneith didn’t want to respond to my question, she should have just ignored me.
But Bliffy. your posts cry out for a response.
Tell me, old Bliffenstein, how many races are there and who is a part of each race?
I can answer that. There are millions if you take into account all the quadroons, quadropoloons, pontifaloons and differing degrees of such.
After that, tell me how are mixed race people categorized.
Depending on the quantifiable negro blood, n*****s, if they don’t have discernible black features but identify or sympathize with other blacks, they are still n*****s.
While you are at it how you got into your “hobby” in the first place.
A black man turned him down, since they seem to be obsessed with them.
Now, dissolve and bring me what I asked for, so I can crush your bigoted ego with the heel of my boot.
That would be a perfectly good waste of a boot!
LikeLike
@ Bliff,
You’r just proving people right. Seriously.
You need to address arguments maturely. Explain to them, How do you know there are less intelligent blacks than there are intelligent whites? You can’t just rely on what HBDers say because they’re opinions are based on pure biased, not any actual fact. They just make up numbers, and use them repeatedly under different contexts. They provide no real scientific data. These are the same people who thought the Irish and Asians were no better than gorillas for a long time.
If you truly observed other people, you’d know you were wrong by now. That’s why so many scientists, anthropologists and sociologists believe race realism is wrong. Because they study, they get out there, they learn and they analyze. You cannot view every race as a “race of hats” who all act the same or within your chosen parameters for them. There are outliers in every group, and your limited experience with them does not make you an expert on them. This isn’t animal planet, where you can watch one documentary and prop yourself as a know-it-all. True academics don’t cherry pick until they see what they want to see and ignore all evidence to the contrary. I can see black people as individuals who should be evaluated by their actions. That is realistic. You see black people as a monolithic group that you can just evaluate by their skin color. That is unrealistic. No one can be evaluated by just their race, you cannot predict how they will think, act, or feel based on something as basic as skin color or ethnicity.
You really are like a bully, you need to say hurtful things to a group you can project on because you yourself are that individual that needs an identity to cling to. You bait people and then act taken aback when they respond in a way that doesn’t cater to you. if you posted in ways that didn’t attack and demean people, you’d be taken more seriously. It’s as simple as that. Playing the victim doesn’t change that. I used to think just like you.
You also decide to use “black” as an insult and compare certain posters here (like Hernieth) to drug dealers, which is another sign of insecurity. You are so held back by your bias that you are unable to do anything but repeat the same tired arguments that were proven wrong a long time ago. If you can dismiss people by their race, you wouldn’t have to actually compete with them or think critically about yourself. You can just cling to your “whiteness” and let it do the work for you. You can’t think critically about racism due to your apparent bias, especially not through an academic viewpoint. You’re too tied up in your racist identity to be able to do so. Your just too emotional about it to be able to discuss it appropriately. People who aren’t biased can understand that “racist” or “white supremacy” does not equal “people of European descent”, you can abandon racist viewpoints without abandoning your identity. Unless you use that identity as a crutch.
There was a time when I used to think just like you. I needed to cling to my identity because I felt so left behind in my own personal life. I needed to make people of color feel inferior. I needed to make people with less money feel inferior. I had those trappings but I had nothing of my own to be proud of. It was a horrible place to be. Then I learned to expand my perspective and see the world through a realistic lens, instead of a rose-tinted one that catered to only my views.
To be able to explore race relations, you need to be prepared for dialogue, that doesn’t necessarily cater to you’re skin color. Online blogs are rare in that people like Hernieth and Brothawolf can feel safe enough to discuss their experiences without feeling that their lives or identities are in danger. They don’t have the privilege to be able to view race as a curiosity, it is a part of their identity, forced on them every day. White people can’t just bully their way into their lives and use their skin color as a get out of jail free pass to say what they want like they’re in pre school. You can’t expect to just show up here, say racially insensitive things, and then get a pat on the back. You can’t just show up with your limited, negative opinion of blacks and expect them to nod and agree with you. Who would agree with being insulted the minute they say “That’s not true, let me tell you why?”
I’m going to be civil and ask you the same questions, at least somewhat: Why do you feel so compelled to tell black people how “less intelligent” they are? Why do you assume everyone who disagrees with you is black? Why is black automatically a negative for you?
LikeLike
Herneith, I really do enjoy watching you sharpen your sword on the neck bones of the unworthy. I doubt I will ever tire of it.
LikeLike
These clowns ask for it. I come here to read of other perspectives. People like Bliff, Doug1 and assorted buffoons of their ilk attempt to throw a wrench into the fray. They constantly derail posts with their backward philosophies and ideologies. They cannot be taken seriously as their contributions read like a lunatic Who’s Who journal. I particularly find them to be hilarious when they demand you give them an answer and engage them in a serious manner. Bliff for example, cannot understand why no one will answer his question as to why he has no self worth. Telling black people that they are on average, stupid, and then demanding they engage him instead of hurling invective at him. Well it bespeaks good ol’ Bliff’s intelligence if he wishes to engage those he thinks are dumb on average. Bliff is a trip!
LikeLike
Herneith,
I think Bliff believes that black people are stupid because he’s projecting his own inadequacies onto them. I don’t think he’s achieved much in life. So, he takes it out on black folks.
At the same time, he latches on the belief of white supremacy to help him cope with that fact that when all else fails, he’s still a white man in a white male dominated society. So, life can’t be that bad.
LikeLike
@ Brothawolf,
The good old, “At least I’m not a black person” philosophy. They couldn’t do that if they could admit that black people were equal to them. They need someone to denigrate in order to feel more secure with themselves. I remember I used to be the same way.
LikeLike
You know what i think and it’s being demonstrated right now with Doug1…
“Race realists” are unable to show appreciation or gratitude to Blacks for their contributions to society and making America great.
They can’t say thank you to Abagond for his own contribution to virtual society.
Like i will right now: Thank you Abagond for making the world better via your contribution of an open, intelligent forum for issues of social justice.
I want to see Doug1 say thank you to Abagond or any of the other posters here.
Because the only thing he has done yetsofar is take and argue positions that are contrarian and tribalistic. He cannot even make admissions of wrongness.
Or say thank you.
How sad is that?
LikeLike
Or am I the only one that is tired of Doug1 talking down to Black people? Saying that they are over-emotional or “seeing red” like Trayvon apparently did. Because if I’m the only one who is offended by this then maybe i need to step back and let him spout his distorted view point freely without trying to hold him to account.
LikeLike
@JT
I’m at work and can’t write much, but this was so precious I have to respond…
“Race realists” are unable to show appreciation or gratitude to Blacks for their contributions to society and making America great.
Yes, yes! I too want to hear about ALL the great contributions that DA Blacks have made to America!! Please list in as much detail as possible. You can use more than 1 sheet of paper if you need, even though it’s hard to imagine there’s that much to write.
Please include all the made up invention lies Blacks have made to boost their ground-level self-esteem – like the invention of the traffic light, the first open heart surgery (in the 19th Century, before the invention of the heart-lung machine), the lawnmower, etc.
Please add and subtract. From these great contributions, you can deduct the cost of Black Crime and the required incarceration costs, the dumbing down of American schools to accommodate black kids and their slower learning abilities, the Black Privilege costs – affirmative action, anti-discrimination lawsuits, big payouts for fake discrimination cases, like the Black Farmers Shakedown payout, you get the picture.
They can’t say thank you to Abagond for his own contribution to virtual society. Yes, Yes!! I too want to thank Abagond for another wacko Black Website to add to all the others, like the Grio, Colorlines, The Root, etc. They are SOOOOOOOOOO entertaining to a white race realist like myself. At these sites, I can relax my functioning brain and enter a fantasy world, exposing the inner workings of the Black Collective Mind. Collective because ALL the sites are the same – Whites are the only people who can actually do anything!! They are responsible for ALL of Black peoples’ troubles. It’s victimhood, after victimhood. Apparently, Blacks can’t do ANYTHING, not even to help themselves.
What a GOLDEN opportunity you provided me, JT. Thank you, thank you. (The check is already in the mail – with a bonus)
LikeLike
WARNIG! WARNING!
Extensive templates taken from global Eurocentric biodiversity sectors!
IMMENENT SHUTDOWN DETECTED!
VIRAL SEQUENCE INITIATED!
LikeLike
Someone on here keeps asking ‘why is it that BP think that WP feel insecure.’
Well, its no doubt because they are no longer free to do the following without question or fear of repercussions from said BP:-
o Stop blacks and ask for their pass
o Enforce curfew
o Break up gatherings of blacks
o Disarm blacks
o Search homes for guns and books, both signs of a possible uprising
o Keep blacks in line through terror
An excerpt from the Slave Patrol thread but, cast your eye across the responses from some of the commenters you will see that their mindset is like that of a person 100 years or more ago.
LikeLike
@SomeGuy
Holy Crap, SomeWiseGuy! It’s Imminent, not IMMENENT . Get a spell checker. This about the 3d time you’ve done this.
And the shutdown was averted. It was just some ugly, black bug in the system. I squished it.
LikeLike
@ Bliff
Yes, I am a poor speller. Sue me. Don’t be such a grammar/spelling Nazi. And it was the second time I’ve done it. Learn to count! See, I’m a math Nazi. Wheeeee!
I notice that you failed to answer all the charges against you. Is that because you are too busy at your job AKA playing World of Warcraft?
LikeLike
@SomeGuy
“the charges “. funny. Sorry, when I get “chimped” (that’s an old word from my childhood days when we use to attack some random kid in our gang, beat the snot out of him, all in good fun. We were all chimped at one time or another) by an Internet gang, standard policy is to “ice” them,, ie., make ’em wait until the adrenaline and the fun fades from them. Drive them crazy with anticipation until they get bored. You know, like icing the kicker in football. Then swoop iin for the kill. It’s easy with you guys. No real mental competition here. Herneith hasn’t passed the 6th grade yet, but everyone considers her to be some kind of “wit”. To me, she’s lame. And you’re limp.
Ha, ha!! Limp and Lame!! What a couple.
LikeLike
@ Bliff
HAHAHAHA! Limp and Lame! HAHAHA!
Your wit is as sharp as a granite slab.
All jokes aside, you have said absolutely nothing that warrants anyone’s attention. I repeat, you aren’t the first bigot here. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. If you want to engage people in “mental competition”, how about showing some of your own value in formulating topics that stimulate intelligent conversation.
You come to the table with nothing but an empty plate and expect to be fed? F*ck outta here!
No one cares about you or what you have to say here. You’re our scientific specimen. Homo Racialis! We dissect your non-sense in order to learn more about the diseased bigoted mind. Thank you for your contribution for our benefit, by the way. I wish that I could say that it’s been most informative, but alas, same shiitake, different day.
You came here of your own volition, where you knew you would be greeted with hostility as soon as you posted your very first response. Then you ask why we think you have low self-esteem? Are you are half-witted as you are blind?? Or perhaps you’re just a masochist with a Afro-Asiatic fetish?
And as for the chimp comment you made…
YOUR MAMA!
LikeLike
Now that is funny!!!!!
Sadly…For you Bliff its also profoundly True!!!
LikeLike
@Bulanik
How much learning by whites was truncated for them to learn and obey instead, the primary lesson, which was – fear blacks?”
Come on now, give them their due’s – they’ve certainly earned an A* here then….
LikeLike
We dissect your non-sense in order to learn more about the diseased bigoted mind.
Yeah, its difficult though as many of them have or are undergoing frontal lobotomy’s… 😉
LikeLike
@SomeGuy.
No one cares about you or what you have to say here. WhaAAAAAAAAAA!! “MOM!!! The black kids won’t play with me and be my friend.”
For a bunch who claim nobody cares about me or what I have to say, I sure get alot of attention. Alot of it Unwanted.
You’re our scientific specimen. Homo Racialis! We dissect your non-sense in order to learn more about the diseased bigoted mind. OK, I’ll donate my brain to guys when I finally kick it. You have to promise to actually study it, before your inner African cannibal kicks in and you eat it. I’ve heard about you guys…..
LikeLike
Ok, Dave.
Pot meet kettle.
HA! Now that’s funny.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
It’s too funny. A white racist troll comes to Abagond because he doesn’t want attention…..
I know Bulanik, but I hasten to say that he might feel this is another one of those ‘unwarranted attacks on whites’ that he’s been harping on about *rolls eyes*
LikeLike
@Bliff
You’ve done nothing but disgrace yourself here. You are not valued, you are not respected, you are not wanted, and you are only the slightest possible nuance of tolerated solely because it is understood that people like you are an inevitability in places where ideas can be expressed freely.
There will always be that guy in places where free speech is advocated. That guy who makes reasonable individuals question briefly if free speech is such a good idea.
And that is it. That is your purpose. Incredible as it is that someone like you would actually serve a purpose, I’ve found it. If it weren’t for people like you the notion of free speech would probably become overly assumed, and under appreciated.
So I raise my glass to you, Bliff. You are to free speech, what stubbed toes are to shoes. A painful, eventually inevitable, but occasionally necessary reminder to help the rest of us appreciate something.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Do you have trouble with English?? Maybe that’s a second or third language for you. I said “I sure get alot of attention”. You said because he doesn’t want attention. In English, that’s not the same. If you want to learn to insult, stick with me, I’ll learn ya.
LikeLike
@Don
Thank you for your selective attention. Apparently you choose to ignore the abuse I suffer at the hands of others here, and only pay attention to me. Why’s that, Don? Is it because I’m white? In case you still haven’t noticed this IS the land of self-disgrace.
LikeLike
@ Bliff
Not everyone that has attacked you is strictly Black. ::cough cough::
And don’t play that innocent victim stuff here. You initiated every conflict against you on this forum. Shall I call you a WHHHHHAAAAAMbulance?
LikeLike
@Bliff
You do not fool me, as you do not fool anybody else here.
You ask for all the abuse you receive, and your denials to that point are a facade that you are required to portray so that you can continue.
As for my selective attention, most of my posts have been in response to one individual at a time. In some of those posts, you have been that individual. You ask the question as if you think my singular responses to you are also somehow special attention from me; It is not. You receive no special thought, benefit, or attention from me. Therefore there is no answer to your question of why.
I am answering your questions to the best of my ability. Now, at the risk of seeming to care what others think over the internet, will you answer mine?
What is the value of your 1 standard deviation of intelligence, and how is it qualified?
LikeLike
@Don
What is the value of your 1 standard deviation of intelligence, and how is it qualified? Not sure exactly what you want to know, but here goes:
Many human physical attributes are normally distributed; i.e, they can be represented by a bell curve. For peoples’ heights, say, there are a few very short people, a few very tall people, and most fall near the average (the peak of the curve), hence, you get a bell curve. The standard deviation is a measure (calculated value) related to the width of the bell curve.
Intelligence, or more precisely, IQ, is normally distributed like height. The black bell curve is shifted down from the white curve by 1 sd, which is related to the bell curve’s width. One standard deviation can be considered “alot”.
LikeLike
@ Bliff
What you lack in intelligence you make up for in vigour.
How about white racist cognitive inferiority:
http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/01/04/0956797611421206.abstract
There’s some race realism for you byotch.
LikeLike
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/the-bell-curve-2/
LikeLike
They are SOOOOOOOOOO entertaining to a white race realist like myself.
The magazine for race realists like yourself:
http://www.madmagazine.com/
At these sites, I can relax my functioning brain and enter a fantasy world, exposing the inner workings of the Black Collective Mind.
Is that before or after your daily shock treatment? Make sure the receptors in your brain is realigned also, it is imperative that you do so.
No real mental competition here.
Then why are you here besides stealing company time?
Herneith hasn’t passed the 6th grade yet, but everyone considers her to be some kind of “wit”. To me, she’s lame. And you’re limp.
I prefer to be called witless as being considered witty and fresh out of the 6th grad to be bourgeois. In fact I really can’t say what I want, as this blog has a comments policy. If I could you would know what wit is, you fornicating cretinous anal opening.
For a bunch who claim nobody cares about me or what I have to say, I sure get alot of attention.
I don’t care about you or what you say, but you are easy prey for the butt of jokes. Cracking jokes at loons such as you helps wile away the time.
You’ve done nothing but disgrace yourself here.
He can’t help it he is suffering from a manic episode!
Intelligence, or more precisely, IQ, is normally distributed like height. The black bell curve is shifted down from the white curve by 1 sd, which is related to the bell curve’s width. One standard deviation can be considered “alot”.
Intelligence, or more precisely, IQ, is normally distributed like buttocks. The black bell curve is shifted down from the white curve by 1 sd,hence white folk for the most part have flat buttocks. One standard deviation can be considered “alot” such as having a smooth muscular set of buttocks as opposed to a flat hairy arse!
LikeLike
@Bliff
Thanks for the try. I understand what a standard deviation is. What I am asking for is the value of the standard deviation.
To use your height example. 1 standard deviation may be 2 inches in height. Therefore 2 standard deviations is 4 inches, etc.
The significance of 1 standard deviation is debatable. The generally accepted threshold in particle physics, for example, for a finding to be considered significant is 5 standard deviations. Less than 5 standard deviations is considered within the tolerance for error, especially when data is sampled and not all-inclusive. However, I promised you that I would ignore the probable insignificance of 1 standard deviation so I will keep my word.
It sounds like you want to quantify intelligence in points of IQ. So what is the value of your 1 standard deviation in points of IQ? That is quantifying your claim. The last portion is qualifying your claim. Why should we trust your figures? You need to show them to be credible.
LikeLike
I think Bliff is getting a joy out of making a complete ass out of himself. Man, it’s a damn shame.
LikeLike
LOL! I too am beginning to think Bliff get some sick little pleasure from being a complete donkey brain….it takes all kinds…smdh.
LikeLike
Peanut,
I’ve heard about the casting controversy in the Hunger Games. I didn’t read the books, but the main character is described as having olive skin (not sure what that means in terms of race).
But obviously, some people got angry that there are some black actors portraying characters they thought were white (even though they were either described as black in the book or weren’t given any specific racial identity):
http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/race-controversy-over-hunger-games-182705585.html
LikeLike
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/woman-unhappy-with-care-at-st-mary-s-hospital-is/article_ed640f3d-64a0-516c-88ff-fb770b5e9677.html
Has anyone heard about Anna Brown? She had pain in her leg and refused to leave a hospital. She was arrested for trespassing. She later died in her jail cell from a blood clot that spread from her leg to her lungs.
I just found this a bit troubling and saw the article on the front of a newspaper I purchased. Any thoughts?
LikeLike
@Mira, I read the book (Hunger Games). Rue, Thresh, and possibly Cinna are clearly Black characters as far as the books goes. Katniss is biracial as far as the book goes. Her father is darkskinned, her mother pale-skinned. Yet Katniss was casted as a White woman who in promos was spray tanned and had her hair dyed darker.
LikeLike
@Don
Obviously, you don’t understand fully the concept of standard deviation, or you wouldn’t be asking the questions you do. The standard deviation is that from the normalized Z-curve, which puts all the numbers on a relative basis. That means that the 1 sd is a relative value, compared to the Z curve width. One would be “alot” for any normal distribution.
Before I answer any more questions along these lines, please explain to me what the “value of 1 sd” means to you? What were you going to use this value for?
LikeLike
@ Mira,
Harry Potter had the same controversy. Not only were they mad that the character Blaise was described as black in the book, they were even angrier when they saw him in the movie.
But what couldn’t be explained was the hatred for the actress who played Cho Chang in the movie, even though Cho Chang is not a white name. They even sent racist death threats to her.
However…
They didn’t seem to freak out so much over Angelina Jolie playing a black woman’s character in Wanted.
LikeLike
@Don
You answered the question yourself, if you only understood. Your 5 standard deviation rule, similar to the “Six Sigma” rule, defines the entire practical normal distribution range, with the tails cut off.
The significance of the 1 sd IQ finding is that, with average IQ of the white US population being 100 as a reference, the average IQ of the black populations is 85.
LikeLike
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/the-average-african-iq-is-70/
LikeLike
I have no words for this:
http://www.blackyouthproject.com/2012/03/22-year-old-rekia-boyd-killed-by-off-duty-chicago-police-officer-cellphone-mistaken-for-handgun/
LikeLike
@Bliff
———–
“Obviously, you don’t understand fully the concept of standard deviation, or you wouldn’t be asking the questions you do. The standard deviation is that from the normalized Z-curve, which puts all the numbers on a relative basis. That means that the 1 sd is a relative value, compared to the Z curve width. One would be “alot” for any normal distribution.”
“Before I answer any more questions along these lines, please explain to me what the “value of 1 sd” means to you?”
———-
The value of a standard deviation, is how many units of measurement it represents in the context of the data set it was derived from. Importantly, this is not what it means *to me*, this is what the value of a standard deviation is, as a definition. Previously you used height to illustrate a standard deviation so lets stick with that. If for the sake of time we can accept that Wikipedia is accurate, the average height of an adult male in the United States, is 70″ (70 inches), with a standard deviation of about 3″.
So our unit of measurement is inches. Our mean (average) is 70 units of measurement… 70 inches. One (1) single standard deviation has a value of about 3 inches.
Now one of your topics is intelligence. I am assumed that your unit of measurement of intelligence is in points of IQ. So, just like height, what you do is provide the mean, and then tell us what the value of the standard deviation is.
Please let me know if you still do not understand what the concept of a standard deviation’s value within it’s context means, and I will find other ways to explain it until you do.
————–
“What were you going to use this value for?”
————–
It’s not a question of using the value. I am simply asking you to quantify (give value to) your claim. Consider the following example conversation, and how it highlights that knowing the quantity of standard deviations without the value of those standard deviations, is not very helpful.
Don: Hi Bliff! I was wondering, how tall is brothawolf?
Bliff: brothawolf is 2 standard deviations shorter than the average.
Don: Oh, okay. But how tall is he exactly?
Bliff: He is exactly 2 standard deviations shorter than the average.
Don: Right. See, that doesn’t actually tell me how tall he is because I have no context… I know what the generally accepted average height is, so why don’t you tell me the value of the standard deviation and I’ll just do the math myself.
Bliff: What do you mean by “what is the value of the standard deviation?” You would not be asking that question if you understood standard deviations. I don’t think you understand what a standard deviation is…
Do you see now where I am coming from Bliff? I am giving you heaps of benefit of the doubt here, so that you can explain your race realism, defend its claims, and demonstrate for us why its claims are credible.
The first step you need to do in the process is demonstrate your credibility. Naturally if nobody can find you to be credible, nobody is going to find anything you say to be credible. I am trying to help you out with that, by asking a simple question about a less than simple concept that you brought up, the standard deviation. I gave you the set, it’s your job to jump up and spike it. Okay?
———-
“You answered the question yourself, if you only understood. Your 5 standard deviation rule, similar to the “Six Sigma” rule, defines the entire practical normal distribution range, with the tails cut off.
———-
No, that’s not at all what the 5 standard deviation guideline is. This guideline applies to particle physics, and may be used elsewhere too but I don’t know for sure. This guideline is used for determining if the results of an experiment are considered significant or not. One of the problem with doing experiments in modern day physics is that nearly all experiments deal with things that are unfathomably small, and often incredibly fast. Instruments for detection can never be perfectly accurate, so for any experiment the standard deviation is calculated for expected results. If measured results fall within a window of 5 standard deviations from the expected result, that variance is considered within the tolerance of equipment inaccuracies, and uncontrollable environmental disturbances.
If you were watching the news, do you remember the neutrinos that were measured to travel faster than the speed of light many months back? The only reason we heard about those neutrinos is because they were repeatedly being received 6 standard deviations of time sooner than they should have been. What was the value of the standard deviation in this context? 24 nanoseconds.
So the 5 standard deviation guideline in particle physics, is not similar to the “Six Sigma” rule. However your description of the Six Sigma rule is accurate.
——-
“The significance of the 1 sd IQ finding is that, with average IQ of the white US population being 100 as a reference, the average IQ of the black populations is 85.”
——
You’ll have to forgive me because I had to chuckle at this. Hopefully now you can answer the question, “What is the value of your 1 standard deviation?”
LikeLike
@ Peanut,
Wow…over a cell phone? It’s not just black men who are treated that way…it’s black women and children too. Now how are they going to excuse that one?
“Oh, one of them had a threatening cell phone! They might have been thugs! I didn’t mean to fire! They beat me up from across the street!”
Are black lives so freaking meaningless that a trained cop will just fire willy nilly at them for one of them walking over after HE said something to them? And how long until we have the “inquisition” looking into Rekia Boyd’s history?
It’s so damn depressing. This racist mess has to stop, it has an entire population indoctrinated enough to treat all people of color as dangerous criminals to put down, and too many people are losing their lives over it.
LikeLike
“Intelligence, or more precisely, IQ, is normally distributed like buttocks. The black bell curve is shifted down from the white curve by 1 sd,hence white folk for the most part have flat buttocks. One standard deviation can be considered “alot” such as having a smooth muscular set of buttocks as opposed to a flat hairy arse!”
***************
Speaking of buttocks:
Evidently the blight-ridden troll known as Bliff is a secret S&M practitioner who’s addicted to coming here to receive frequent and consistent painful butt whippings/lessons in humiliation, Dominatrix style.
~~~~~
Say Bliff, I hear you’re now rooming with EGOR, Dr. Frankenstein’s former helper. How’s that old twisted humpbacked assistant gravedigger doing? lol
LikeLike
lol this is what I get for not checking my source. I need to correct myself, 24 nanoseconds is not accurately the value of 1 standard deviation in the OPERA experiment that found FTL neutrinos, on the off chance anybody actually cares. Oops.
LikeLike
@Don
You’re a hopeless waste of my time. I’m not here to school you in statistics, which you have a smathering of understanding but not much. If you did then you’d realize your statements on 5 sd are the same as what I told you – you’re looking to see if any one experimental result belongs to the population of what could be called “believable results”. That’s what I said – your 5 sd defines the range of the population.
With IQ, we’re comparing two populations, the black and white IQ distributions, each with separate variance and mean. If you are ever to have any hope of comparing them, you have to normalize the results (research the normalized Z curve), so you have an “apples to apples” comparison. The raw numbers are of no meaning to you or me. The fact that you don’t realize that means that your understanding of statistics is subpar.
I’m done discussing this topic with you. Take it or leave it.
As far as the IQ values I quoted, this is standard representation of the IQ distributions. Go read the Bell Curve before you ask any more questions.
The first step you need to do in the process is demonstrate your credibility. Look, wise guy, I don’t owe you anything. You’re lucky I responded to your dumba$$ at all. You’re a quantoid, you know somethings about numbers, but you have no wisdom of their meaning.
I’m not here to “prove” race realism to you or anyone else, so don’t act like it.
You need to PROVE your credibility to me, also, if you are going to question mine. That means I expect you to demonstrate that there are no race differences, if that is your stance. It is not a given.
LikeLike
@Bliff
I have no problem with addressing your other questions and comments, but we’ve yet to answer the first question so there’s really no point in moving on to other things yet.
I know you can do this Bliff. Here is what you have written:
“average IQ of the white US population being 100”
“Decades of evidence has shown the black distribution is shifted down by 1 standard deviation.”
“the average IQ of the black populations is 85.”
If the average IQ of the white US population is 100, and the average IQ of the black population when shifted down by 1 Standard Deviation is 85, What is the value of your 1 standard deviation?
LikeLike
Folks
Watching the Trayvon Martin case unfold has driven me into a mild depression.
I think about my family, all of them, with varying skin tones, who could possibly be gunned down for simply walking.
America has regressed. Or rather, with Obama as our leader, whites have finally shown their true colours. We’re seriously thinking about leaving the country. For good this time. Without jobs, especially if you are brown-skinned, the lousy housing market and America going back to its KKK roots, we are feeling the pressure to just make a new change.
My friend is old enough to remember the riots in Chicago.
He says that a case like the Martin case could set things on fire.
I believe him wholeheartedly.
Why are blacks treated so carelessly in America? Are we so damn expendable?
Even babies? I’m sickened. Can any of you feel the tension that whites are feeling? It’s as if they know…
I’m rambling now.
LikeLike
Truthbetold,
All I can say is that at the end of the day, America hates blacks because they are black. Beyond the usual and typical denial, in the end that’s what it comes down to. This has been a pathology of American society for so long, and you can see it through the comments of these trolls and the push to turn Martin into a thug.
Most won’t admit it straight out, but those who hear their rantings, race realist babblings, and whatever else can see the writing on the wall. It’s as plain as day that many white people hate blacks because they are black. Why that is so? Who knows, but it’s obvious that they want to keep the hate going.
LikeLike
I am so amazed at how your “race realist” readers don’t seem to realize that in US, that every “action has a reaction” and as long as there are two factions of Americans / races/ sides going head-to-head, tit for tat will continue….
Your race realist won’t admit that the game began with their white forefathers and this game keeps going with no end in sight because when one side (white) throws a dart, the other side (black) will throw it back.
Case in point, the movie “Hunger Games” has 2 characters that are described as “brown-skinned” in the book, yet white fans of the movie have complained that “black” actors were cast and this ruined the movie….
can the white fans not read?… the characters in the book were not white, yet these fans expected the movie to have all white characters….it’s this mindset that keeps race relations on its’ current track….white Americans need to stop crying “foul” when they are just as culpable as blacks for stirring the pot.
“some viewers objected to the film casting black actors and tweeted complaints such as:
“Awkward moment when Rue is some black girl and not the innocent blonde girl you picture,” and
“Kk call me racist but when i found out rue was black her death wasn’t as sad #ihatemyself.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/the-hunger-games-amandla-stenberg-respons-racists-tweets-rue_n_1386027.html
LikeLike
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-20/news/31217178_1_lynndie-england-abu-ghraib-military-prison
LikeLike
@ Porkins, Brothawolf, Peanut and Ace:
I just did a post on Rekia Boyd:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/03/28/rekia-boyd/
LikeLike
@ Bulanik,
Well, she reminds me of the white individuals that blame the victim and is remaining unrepentant.
I think this is the type of person that Blacks need to be accustomed to dealing with when their own are persecuted or murdered.
The victim will be responsible for the actions of the assailant.
That is white logic.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
But if the white teens’ tweets are anything to go by, it seems the young, white minds have been bathed and swaddled in overt and covert racist culture since birth.
This is a nitwit response. The white teens only indicated that they had an image of the character, I believe “Rue”, in their mind as a white girl, so they had a hard time seeing her as black on the big screen.
This does not indicate in any rational way that they’ve been “and swaddled in overt and covert racist culture since birth. ” This is just your over-emotional “I see racism everywhere” attitude that blacks have been brought up with in their black sub-culture. Everything is “raciss”.
LikeLike
@ Linda,
I’m not surprised, they reacted the same way to Cho Chang and Blaise Zabini from the Harry Potter books, who were also canonically Chinese and black respectfully.
It’s depressing, that they would think that was okay. I suppose when your spoon fed racial superiority you expect everyone to look and act like you, no matter how busted and useless you are. Since they can’t handle being wrong they then blame the black person for “invading” their space, instead of accepting the fact that they exist and have a right to be there too. Notice how they don’t admit she was dark skinned in the book? They just equated “innocent” to white and got their panties in a twist because they’re too stupid to remember that skin color doesn’t directly symbolize someone’s faults or qualities.
It’s nice to know that when a little black girl dies, some racist brat feels less “sad” about it. I guess people of color make their lives so much harder to live when they appear on screen in a movie, especially if they aren’t used in a stereotypical way catered for the white people’s amusement.
They’re not even trying to be smart or subtle about it. It’s a combination between a one-sided abuse of the freedom of speech and and an undeserved sense of entitlement.
LikeLike
@Matari
Matari, please. He spells his name Igor – that’s how he spells it, don’t ask me why, I don’t know, he’s funny like that. What if we spelled your name Dufus. Would like you that? Well, WOULD YOU??? Maybe you would.
LikeLike
This is a nitwit response. The white teens only indicated that they had an image of the character,
‘
”
”
@ Bliff,
Did you even look at the link?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/the-hunger-games-amandla-stenberg-respons-racists-tweets-rue_n_1386027.html
There. Since you missed it the first time.
LikeLike
@ Bliff,
Nit wit response? Because you don’t agree with it?
Those white kids have been spoon fed the same crap for so long that their feelings over a little girl’s death depended on what skin color she had. Why is it that I can watch a movie and not wish for a girls death because she has a different skin color than me? They feel like they’ve been somehow wronged or “tricked” that their wrong assumptions were corrected in a movie and a girl described as “innocent” is black. That is not only ridiculous, but it is entitled.
The same people show no “outrage” over an olive skinned dark haired girl being played by a pale blond girl who had to dye her hair.
They shouldn’t have to “get used” to seeing Rue as black. Not only is it in the damn text, but no one is required to whitewash everything to protect their delicate “constitutions” because they can’t handle seeing black girls on a freaking movie screen (unless they’re being negative or stereotypical). Black people exist, you can’t will them to suddenly change their race because you were too illiterate to read a book. Give me a break.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Aw, Bliff if that is how you feel about Rue, I don’t care anything about Rue. I don’t anything about her, or about Hunger Games. I was responding to YOUR COMMENT about how some teenage girls’ immature comments must necessarily mean they were brought up racist from birth. No; they’re just stupid teenage comments about some stupid movie. However, YOU decided to smear white people by claiming their comments were due to deep racism; that is what I was calling “nitwit” – YOUR response.
you’re gonna really get your knickers in twist I don’t wear knickers, so I don’t see how they could get in a twist. In fact, I rarely wear anything below my waist. It allows my genitals and rear to breathe properly and aerate. It also stops anyone dead cold of accusing me of my knickers, pants, underwear, etc being in a twist.
when you find out about Jesus… Jesus? Was he in the movie? OR do you mean THAT Jesus? So what, I’m an atheist. Did your little Racist African self think that just because I’m a race realist I’m some kind of Bible-thumping Baptist?? Bulanik, you need to get off of these dumba$$ Black websites and learn about the REAL world. You sure won’t find it here.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
Aw, Bliff if that is how you feel about Rue, I don’t care anything about Rue. I don’t anything about her, or about Hunger Games. I was responding to YOUR COMMENT about how some teenage girls’ immature comments must necessarily mean they were brought up racist from birth. No; they’re just stupid teenage comments about some stupid movie. However, YOU decided to smear white people by claiming their comments were due to deep racism; that is what I was calling “nitwit” – YOUR response.
you’re gonna really get your knickers in twist I don’t wear knickers, so I don’t see how they could get in a twist. In fact, I rarely wear anything below my waist. It allows my genitals and rear to breathe properly and aerate. It also stops anyone dead cold of accusing me of my knickers, pants, underwear, etc being in a twist.
when you find out about Jesus… Jesus? Was he in the movie? OR do you mean THAT Jesus? So what, I’m an atheist. Did your little Racist African self think that just because I’m a race realist I’m some kind of Bible-thumping Baptist?? Bulanik, you need to get off of these dumba$$ Black websites and learn about the REAL world. You sure won’t find it here.
LikeLike
@ Bliff,
Wait, so its okay for white kids to smear the actress and black people by throwing reactions and racial slurs at the girl? And yet, claiming they’re brought up to be racist is the “horrible” part? What is it then, if it cant be called “deep racism”. Usually when people claim that they don’t care about a girls death because they’ve learned she is black, or want to call her the n-word, that’s pretty damn racist.
So…asking how you feel about how Jesus is portrayed in movies since he’s not white in real life is…racist? Wow. I have to thank you. You’ve now proven that atheists can be some of the most hypocritical, backwards thinkers on the planet. Props to you.
LikeLike
It allows my genitals and rear to breathe properly and aerate. It also stops anyone dead cold of accusing me of my knickers, pants, underwear, etc being in a twist.
LOL. I knew it. Easy method of ‘self expression’ i’m sure…
Listen love, give your arse a rest so you mouth can speak will ya. Put some clothes on and in particular, cover up your backside so that we are not continually met with the barrage of shite you keep posting.
LikeLike
@Ace
Yes, Ace, the girls were talking about a made-up character in a fantasy, known in the USA, as a movie. They were talking like teenage girls. The fact that they talking about a black actress is why your knickers are all in a twist, and why you and the other race-baiters decided to get well….your knickers are all in a twist (Didn’t need to say it twice, I guess) and make this a BIG racial issue. That’s all you do!!! IT’s not important!!!!
“don’t care about a girls death” IT’S A MOVIE, DUMBA$$. They could kill everybody in it, for all I care, and they usually do!!!
All Bulanik said about Jesus was “when you find out about Jesus…”. I said I was an atheist. What the hell was the rest of that crap you were spouting??
Hey Ace, do you have a pool at your house? If you do, please go jump in.
LikeLike
@Bulanik
That is what happens in white supremacist – that Neanderthal response is terribly difficult to over-ride
Whew! Are you as happy as I am that this is, indeed, true. I am very proud of my inner Neanderthal . All REAL men are Neanderthals..and, I guess, therefore, white.
LikeLike
@ Demerera
Listen love, give your arse a rest so you mouth can speak will ya. Hello, Dahling. No, thank you, I am quite comfortable as I am, and it still prevents you from saying my “knickers are in a twist. “
LikeLike
@ Bliff
DUMBA$$ DUMBA$$ DUMBA$$ DUMBA$$ DUMBA$$
Is that all you have? Pathetic.
Maybe at one point you had a half-way decent argument when you first arrived at this blog. Now all you are is a troll and a joke. Just give it up.
LikeLike
@SomeGuy
You are my No. 1 fan. Whenever I post, you can’t wait to post your response. Quit complaining about me and write something original, Dumba$$. All you do is copy and paste. I got you on a yo-yo string, Boot-Liquor.
LikeLike
@ Bliff
Are you an adult? Cut the kiddy cr@p, man. It makes you look like a juvenile delinquent. Does your wife and kids know you are on the Internet being a complete f*cktard?
All you are here to do is troll. That’s it. By that alone you should be banned. Why else are you here?
Wait, I can guess your childish response now: “You idiots entertain me! Neener Neener!”
Bro, if we are your source of entertainment, not only are you a troll, but you have no life as well. Stick to golf as your main hobby and put down the keyboard.
LikeLike
That’s ironic, coming from a broken record.
LikeLike
I can smell the smoke of Bliff still trying to figure out what 100 – 85 is.
lol
It’s okay Bliff, the adults learned a long time ago that when children are throwing a temper tantrum to just watch and enjoy the show.
We’re all just watching you. I, for one, hope your next act is a dance routine, that would be a riot.
LikeLike
@ Bliff,
I am waiting for Abagond to draw the circle around you and be rid of you and let you drop out of our sphere of interaction. But I gotta say … that Abagond has been very quiet/inactive of late. Maybe that’s the silence before the storm. In your case, i hope that it is!
LikeLike
@ Abagond,
I like the bambi banner. It reminds me of the cartoonish world that race realists live in.
JT
LikeLike
@JT, Someguy
Just the fact that you and Someguy admit that I bother you, keeps me going. You are feeding the trolls. Why you would even bother posting this trivial info – you don’t like my posts – is beyond me, when there is more than enough trash posts on this blog. Look at the Trayvon Martin posts – dozens of posts by dozens of yo-yo’s talking back and forth about, making trivial points that will probably be out of date the next day.
So apparently you guys are bothered by my posts, or you wouldn’t even mention. I get trashed here all the time – even I dont’ like it I just don’t read it.
Abagond may be a white basher, but he may actually like to have a forum where people can post a range of opinions.
If you two think I just post trivial stuff, why don’t you try answering this simple question I have to tried to pose to get some dialogue going, but has only brought abuse –
Why is a race realist like me necessarily insecure, has low self esteem, a loser, etc? I am a race realist, not because of any of these traits, but because of what I have learned. You’re free to disagree.
Your answers don’t have to be long, but a least write enough to get the ball going.
Or would you rather just troll me?
LikeLike
@Don
VERY GOOD DON! The 1 sd for the difference in the means for the two populations is indeed 15!! In fact, it is 15 white-IQ-units. Maybe you’re just slow, not as dumb as I thought. Actually, I think you got some help from somebody in the meantime, or reviewed what the normalized z-curve is.
Or were you just playing dumb? If that is true, then you were wasting my time and yours . If you do it again, I will not communicate with you.
Furthermore, do you finally understand why I balked at going into your question? Because there is no difference between “the difference is 1 sd” or “that the difference is 15 units”. Either is equivalent because we working in normalized units.
A useful inference you can make from the 1 sd knowledge (and the direction I would have preferred to go in) is that 84% (numbers may be rounded off) of whites have a higher IQ than blacks with the average black IQ.
See how much time you wasted? We could’ve gone to this right away, but you insisted in going on in your turtle like fashion.
You’ve beaten this 1 point to death. So I expect to see what great conclusion you are going to come to after all these questions in your next post. If you don’t provide that, then I am really done with you. I am too impatient to move at your snail’s pace.
LikeLike
You don’t get it. How you see me, is how I see you, Bliff. But I’m glad you’re finally admitting to being a troll. It’s about time.
Don’t give me that innocent victim B.S.. The majority of your posts have been highly inflammatory. You have barely tried to civilly talk with anyone here. Right off the bat, you were an obnoxious, conceited jerk with a bad attitude. Don’t try to re-write history now.
I treat you, how you have treated me. If you sit there, with your nose up in the air and hurl insults, how do you think people are going to respond to you? It’s only natural to be aggressive towards and aggressor.
Abagond does not write for White people.
That is a direct quote from him. It doesn’t mean White people aren’t allowed to post here. It just means you need to know what you are getting in to if you are a White person.
As for your now recent attempt to cut through all the B.S. and actually debate something. That’s cool. However, your points have been gone over ad nauseam in past Bolg posts. Do a search!. Abagond has countless articles explaining the very points you’ve made. Put some effort into it, and show me you are serious about an answer from me.
I’m tired of the back and forth.
LikeLike
@Bliff.
Nice try, but nobody is buying it. You were unable to realize that 15 points of IQ was the value of your 1 SD, no matter how often I beat you over the head with it. Not until I handed you the answer on a silver platter did it click. Lol.
Now here’s another one of your gems.
“In fact, it is 15 white-IQ-units.”
HAHAHAHAHAHA. So how many black IQ units are there in a white IQ unit Bliff?
LikeLike
@SomeGuy
This blog needs people like me, otherwise, it’s just a bunch of close-minded black people, and their nonblack ultraliberal minions, just tossing the same stuff back and forth.
Sure, I throw out some 1 liner trash items. Plenty of others do too. Look at Herneith – when has she ever said anything worthwhile?? She just insults and she’s not even funny.
I made 1 mention once of “fried chicken” and everybody went crazy!! That’s nuts. That just shows there’s too much groupthink here. Everybody accepts what Abagond writes without question. I come here and to other black blogs and I see an alternate universe – one in which the only truth is that whites are racist against blacks……AND that’s it! That’s it??? That’s not even a start. You guys are WAY more closed minded than you fancy yourselves. YOU guys have the smug we-know-it-all attitude.
LikeLike
Bliff,
Fine. Let’s pretend that we need you. Now tell us: why do you need us. Don’t cite humor, entertainment etc.
Existentially speaking, why do you need Abagond and company?
Think about it. Take a second.
LikeLike
@ Bliff
As I told another poster, we fight for the team whose uniform we are wearing. That includes you. I understand how you may see this blog as anti-White racism, but this is a Black blog. If it seems one sided, it’s because we are addressing critical issues in the Black community involving race. This is not a blog about general injustice in the world. If you want to come on here and post, that’s fine. But when you act hostile, that’s what you’ll get in return.
Take Doug for example. Even though he may occasionally go off on people after a few sips of wine, he generally states his case calmly and rationally (as can be in his case). I may challenge him, but I’m less likely to hurls non-stop insults at him. I will just address the topic he has brought up.
Do some people of color on this blog have a chip on their shoulder? Yes. Can you blame someone for being that way after a lifetime of being abused in your own country? Seeing your family abused for generations? White people didn’t free the slaves and give Black people the keys to the city. The abuse continues up until this very day! It isn’t about “slavery”, it’s about the abuse happening right now!
I’ll tell you what though. You don’t want me hassling you? Fine. I won’t say one peep to you, as long as you don’t mention me. Cool?
LikeLike
It’s only a matter of time before Bliff goes into a mental breakdown.
LikeLike
@ Ace
I have taken a page from one of the Youtubers, so if anyone asks me what I am (and they rarely do – in person anyway). I say that I am a descendant of African Slaves. I do this intentionally, because that is about the last thing anyone wants to admit and I say it with pride. So, there is no misunderstanding.
I find it amusing though, since I do the family’s genealogy, how members of my family change race according to what census they are listed in. Some are “Mulatto” in 1870 and 1880, “Black” in 1900 and finally “Negro” in 1930. The White one’s, not surprisingly, stay “White”.
LikeLike
@Someguy
Finally, you are the first person here to be honest and open up with your concerns. That’s great!! Now maybe we can have a dialogue.
You know somet hings about what I think about race relations, let me give you some more:
*I believe slavery was pure hell.
*I believe there was much injustice towards blacks from slavery till the 60’s and there is still some now.
* Though I believe blacks have some traits that hold them back in Western societies – lower IQ, more impulsive, less planning or forward thinking, that says nothing about them as persons.
*I don’t believe whites are any more moral than blacks are. I think blacks are just as “good” people as whites are. We are all citizens before the law in the USA and entitled to the equality as listed in the Declaration of Independence and 14th Admendment. That doesn’t mean we ae “equal” in all possible aspects, but as citizens with the inalienable rights as in the D of I.
*I grew up in mostly white Pittsburgh, have lived across the country, and have known some black people. By far, they were good people on balance, and I got along with them. No, none of my best friends are black.
*If you knew me personally, and we didn’t talk about racial matters, you would NEVER know about the race realist beliefs I hold. You would generally think of me as an OK guy. I am not a Southern, pot-bellied, Baptist Sheriff. So that’s one thing, at least, you’ve learned from me – race realists are not stereotypical people.
LikeLike
So…wait a minute. 84% of white people have a higher IQ than black people? How can you really say that with a straight face? How can you tell who’s “black” enough for that “rule” to apply? I still find it funny that according to that statement, even the most backwards, illiterate and close minded white person somehow has a higher IQ than black people.
Anyways…
@ Someguy,
That’s an interesting way to do that. Few expect you to want to say that at all when you can choose to say something else, let alone say it with pride. I bet they’re taken aback by that assertion.
I find it interesting that the terms for black people changed so much that the only difference between the day of “negro/black” and the current use of “black/African American” is that white people chose the original classification. I wonder how a black man who is so multi-ethnic that he passes for white would classify on one of those census forms.
LikeLike
@Bliff
Your responses are getting sadder and sadder and sadder. It’s not even funny anymore.
This blog needs people like me, otherwise, it’s just a bunch of close-minded black people, and their nonblack ultraliberal minions, just tossing the same stuff back and forth.
This blog never needed your input, nor did we ask for it. You took it upon yourself to troll yourself in here in the first place. By the way, you are the LAST person to call us closed-minded. Why don’t you take a look at yourself before you judge what we and blogs such as this are all about, or is that too white for you do?
Sure, I throw out some 1 liner trash items. Plenty of others do too. Look at Herneith – when has she ever said anything worthwhile?? She just insults and she’s not even funny.
When have you said anything worthwhile? When have you said anything that HASN’T BEEN SAID BY OTHER RACE REALISTS? Herneith may say some worthless things to you, but she has never trolled, never disrespected, and never constantly repeated herself. You do those things Bliff.
And her insults are responses to nonsense and ignorance barfed on by race realists like yourself and your drones. What you say is disrespectful to us. So, don’t think for one second that you get what you dish out.
I made 1 mention once of “fried chicken” and everybody went crazy!! That’s nuts. That just shows there’s too much groupthink here. Everybody accepts what Abagond writes without question. I come here and to other black blogs and I see an alternate universe – one in which the only truth is that whites are racist against blacks……AND that’s it! That’s it??? That’s not even a start. You guys are WAY more closed minded than you fancy yourselves. YOU guys have the smug we-know-it-all attitude.
That’s is your problem Bliff, you can’t and won’t see where you are wrong or made a mistake. That’s narcissism at its worst online. People were upset over your comment because they were offended. No gives a shit if you weren’t offended by it, but here you are crying like a punk over what us racist black people are saying to you. Grow up, or get out whiner.
Why don’t you use your “superior” white brain and go to sites that share your mindset. That way you won’t have to deal with the insults here. Why can’t you do that? I’ll tell you, because your having fun with us. Your entertaining us. You don’t give a fuck about us which is clear. That’s why you say the things you say, and then act like a victim when any of us have the nerve to call you out. That is beyond immature.
Bliff, you are the one with a serious attitude problem, but you’re too full of yourself to want to admit it. You are the one who’s acting smug and thinks he knows it all. But the truth is, you’ve either been beaten by arguments, you nitpick certain parts on which to capitalize and/or you avoid matters that would have you think.
Frankly Bliff, you are the one with the problem, not us, not black people, and not our allies. You are the one who prefers colors to be separated because they simply aren’t white. You are the one who has a problem with black people, and you need us more than we need you.
And the reason why I respond you might ask? Well, why shouldn’t I?
LikeLike
@ Brothawolf,
A…men.
LikeLike
@ Bliff
Cool. As far as you and I are concern, we are starting over at square one and I thank you for being honest.
The two main problems I have with race realism are this:
First, and let’s be 100% honest here. When we talk about race being biological, most biologists will admit, while some people living in geographical areas may share certain traits which are detectable through DNA testing, there is more genetic difference within specific populations than there is between all Human populations. In other words, for the most part you aren’t going to find certain genetic markers only in Europe and absolutely no where else on the planet. Two European may be more genetically dissimilar than a European and an African.
What biologists are referring to in these DNA Ancestry tests is the amount of genetic markers in specific populations. In this way, while you can group people geographically, it isn’t really accurate to assign a racial classification based on this information. The main reason being, it is very subjective what genetic markers you actually choose to separate people into categories. There are no clearly defined boundaries. Different testing companies use different markers. That’s why if you take multiple DNA ancestry tests, the results won’t be quite the same.
Furthermore, when you are dealing with so-called mixed race individuals, you cannot predict what genetic material a person will end up with since DNA recombination is (as far as biologists can tell) a random event. Siblings will actually produce difference DNA results. Also, ancestry can be lost due to recombination. You can have a Great x10 Grandmother from Syria, and the amount of certain markers in the area to indicate such ancestry will not be present in your personal genome, lost to centuries of recombination.
So, biologically, Race Realism is already on shaky grounds. How many races are there? What markers will you use? How will you classify the so-called mixed races?
Second, I find IQ tests and the like very, very dubious. As I have stated to other posters- If African scientists gave White Europeans tests and their IQ turned out to be lower than the average African, you probably would be highly skeptical of those results. So, please, don’t blame us if we question the results from people who have historically oppressed us and have a conflict of interest when it come to the results.
There are plenty of scientific papers out there that question the methodology of the IQ tests, even the ones considered “culturally neutral”. The information is fairly vast, so perhaps someone else on here can elaborate on the technical problems with the IQ test. Or you can just google Abagond’s blog post on the subject. Bottom line, IQ tests are over rated and may be just as reliable as a lie detector. I know one of the co-discoverers of DNA, James Watson, stated in his biography that his IQ is 124. That isn’t even considered genius and the man is one of the Fathers of DNA. Makes you think.
In the end, I am skeptical about any information that says “These hundreds of millions of people are significantly different to these other hundreds of millions of people just because they look different.” It just doesn’t pass the sniff test. Under the skin, we are more similar than anyone would realize.
This is fairly long, so if there are any spelling/grammar mistakes, Oh well.
LikeLike
You want to know what’s even weirder? My Irish Great, great grandfather wanted to marry his sweetheart, a Black woman, so he claimed to be a “Mulatto” and lived out his entire life as “Black”. If you look at the census records, you even see “W” for White crossed out and replaced with a “B” for Black.
LikeLike
@ Bliff
I’d also want to say this. You and I, yes both of us, are brainwashed. You cannot be an American native born citizen and not be affected. It is this brainwashing that keep the status quo what it is. It touches everybody born here. It colors our every perception. Even when it seems like it’s your idea to do certain things, it simply isn’t so. I am 40 and I have only recently, within the past few years, even realized I was affected and I struggle daily to break my affliction. I must admit, the allegory of Plato’s cave did help a lot. If you can, find it on youtube.
When you see Blacks as inferior, you need to stop and say “Hold up. Why did I just think that?”. There may be differences between people as individuals, but the issue of race is not one of them. Believe me.
Go investigate one of these White trailer parks that litter this entire countryside. There you will find the most ghetto of ghetto dwellers. Are they Black? No. Study why they are in the position they are in then use that mindset and see how the Blacks got into the position they are in. It isn’t all about genetics and low IQ. Black people have been brainwashed and sabotaged by a system that oppresses them. We aren’t just pulling out race cards, flashing them at every opportunity. The system oppresses us while giving the illusion of freedom.
And speaking of freedom, how much freedom does the average White person think he will have if somehow Blacks disappeared. You know the system. Somebody has to be the new N****r and it isn’t going to be upper class White folks. All the lower class White people will be singled out and racial oppression will become a class based oppression. That alone shows you the necessity for all classes of Whites to knowingly and unknowingly engage in the sabotage of Black people in America. “Hey, better them than us!”
Racism is a tool for the upper class oppressor, who knows better than to underestimate anyone regardless of his color, to control a system where he can benefit at will and make the world his playground.
This is the world we live in and we have to question everything.
LikeLike
@Robert
Something for the weekend…
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBYrygaunM4)
LikeLike
@Robert
Something for the weekend…
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBYrygaunM4)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUPbVgvG0rA)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMZYlTXLqiA&feature=related)
LikeLike
@ SomeGuy,
For well stated on all accounts. Thanks for posting that! =)
LikeLike
@SomeGuy
Great post.
Class warfare has always been interesting to me. I live in Northern Virginia where the population is diverse in race and wealth. I’m not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, but in my line of work I need to occasionally correspond with some of the “upper class rich folk”.
I can tell you from personal experience, the most consistent thing about them as they speak with me is their stand-offish demeanor, not the color of their skin. At least not around here.
LikeLike
I almost spilled my coffee on my Dell because of the above Herneith. I can’t read Herneith while I’m eating or drinking. Rice grains fly out my nose, I nearly kill my laptop with my coffee etc….
LikeLike
@satanforce
Your threshold for comedy is apparently a lot lower than mine.
LikeLike
@ Leigh
I’m so sorry Leigh (sending warm hugs to you). My condolences to you and your loved ones. Thank you for sharing your story with us. You will be in my prayers.
LikeLike
Racism is slowly killing me…
Dear God, save me from this deep valley of suffering…..HEAR ME PLEASE!!!!!
LikeLike
@ SomeGuy
That was an excellent and in depth analysis you posted. Probably one of the best I’ve read in these threads for a long time on the impact and causes of class and racism. Its the type of awareness presented here that Bliff struggles to convey to a mass audience outside the cult of delusional race realism.
If Bliff could take time to put his ” white man is superior ego” aside for one moment he could actually learn SomeThing from SomeGuy!!!
After all thats what spending time reading this blog is for isn’t it? To learn something new?
LikeLike
@ abagond
You know what’s scary about your posts?
Doug, destructure, Randy, Bliff and countless others could be our bosses, neighbors, friends, priests, even boyfriends. Being behind a computer screen gives them a truthful voice, one they do not feel thay have in public.
When I read Doug’s comments