a Bushmaster XM-15 semiautomatic rifle, the sort used by Gendron.
Ruth Whitfield (left), Pearly Young and Aaron Salter Jr.
Payton Gendron (2003- ), a White American gunman, killed 10 and injured 3 last Saturday afternoon, May 14th 2022, in upstate New York at a Tops supermarket in a Black neighbourhood of Buffalo. All but two of the victims were Black. It was shown live on the Internet for a few minutes before the feed was cut.
The dead:
- Celestine Chaney, 65
- Roberta A. Drury, 32
- Andre Mackneil, 53
- Katherine Massey, 72
- Margus D. Morrison, 52
- Heyward Patterson, 67
- Aaron Salter, 55
- Geraldine Talley, 62
- Ruth Whitfield, 86
- Pearl Young, 77
Gendron drove for three and a half hours in his parents’s car to get to the place with “the highest black population percentage and isn’t that far away,” according to a 180-page online manifesto that is almost cetainly his. Buffalo is 37% Black. His home town of Conklin, also in upstate New York, is 1% Black.
The police confronted him in front of Tops, with bodies lying on the ground. He pointed his gun to his neck but police still managed to take him alive – a courtesy not always extended to Black men, even when unarmed or back turned.
The gun: a Bushmaster XM-15 semiautomatic rifle (pictured above) with the N-word and “14” written on it. The 14 is short for the 14 Words, a neo-Nazi slogan:
“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”
Even though he threatened to shoot up his high school last year, he was still allowed to buy a high-powered rifle after police were sure that he was not sick in the head.
The motive: as the manifesto put it:
“To show to the replacers [= non-White people] that as long as the White man lives, our land will never be theirs and they will never be safe from us.
“To directly reduce immigration rates to European lands by intimidating and physically removing the replacers themselves.
“To intimidate the replacers already living on our lands to emigrate back to their home countries.
“To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to cause them to overextend their own hand and experience the eventual and inevitable backlash as a result.
“To incite violence, retaliation and further divide between the European people and the replacers currently occupying European soil…
“To add momentum to the pendulum swings of history, further destabilizing and polarizing Western society in order to eventually destroy the current nihilistic, hedonistic, individualistic insanity that has taken control of Western thought.”
Great Replacement Theory, aka White genocide, is what all this is based on. As the manifesto explains:
“Millions of people pouring across our borders, legally. Invited by the state and corporate entities to replace the White people who have failed to reproduce, failed to create the cheap labor, failed to create new consumers and tax base that the corporations and states need to have to thrive.”
No longer a fringe belief: Although Gendron was mainly inspired by Brenton Tarrant, the New Zealand mosque shooter, Republican blowhards like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens push versions of this theory. According to an AP poll that came out last week, 42% of Republicans now believe in replacement theory.
– Abagond, 2022.
Sources: mainly Google Images, Heavy, AP.
See also:
- The three pillars of American white supremacy
- Great Replacement Theory
- Republicans are going over a cliff
- some other racist gunmen (not counting police officers)
- “nation of immigrants”
- The N-word
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His bodycam stream with audio is on liveleak
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“a courtesy not always extended to Black men”
or Black women, or Black children….
“Great Replacement Theory, aka White genocide, is what all this is based on.”
Certain individuals have expressed their belief in that theory here, in their comments on numerous threads. Those same individuals like to pretend there is no veiled incitement to violence in that theory. Those same individuals like to talk about how violent Black people are but will excuse White supremacist terrorists like Payton Gendron as “lone wolves” and mentally ill instead of recognizing them as an integral component to systematic racism.
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“Well, first of all, no, I don’t think America is a racist country, but we also do have to speak the truth about the history of racism in our country and its existence today,” Se. Tim Scott. R-SC
My home state Senator appears to need a refresher course in history. Each and every time some Black bootlick announces that Amerika is the land of opportunity and freedom, some white supremacist appears out of left field and prove him or her wrong! (smdh)
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Reblogged this on Steph's Blog and commented:
Terrorism in America and our society permits this evil because of our tradition of racism/white supremacy.
You can thank the Republicans, Faux news, American Renaissance, Bill Maher, Steve Sailer, all the HBD(Human Biodiversity), VDARE, the newsmedia in general, most Democrats, Evangelicals, Ann Coulter, Tucker Carlson, and others for embolding this racist POS.
The Foundational Black victims of the Buffalo massacre deserved better. We must honor the women and men who lost their lives to the white terrorist Saturday afternoon. They were enjoying themselves, shopping for groceries, minding their business. That grocery story is the hub of the Black neighborhood in Buffalo.
Let’s remember the victims of the Buffalo massacre:
Celestine Chaney, 65
Roberta A. Drury, 32
Andre Mackneil, 53
Katherine Massey, 72
Margus D. Morrison, 52
Heyward Patterson, 67
Aaron Salter, 55
Geraldine Talley, 62
Ruth Whitfield, 86
Pearl Young, 77
May the men and women of the Buffalo massacre rest in peace and prayers go out to the families and the Black community in Buffalo as well as the greater Buffalo area. The community needs plenty of help and prayer.
Rest in Power and Say their names!
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What’s not to believe re: the “theory”? That, absent some radical change, Whites are heading to minority status in the US and Western Europe is a fact. That corporations and big business want cheap labor is also a fact. The American people didn’t vote to open up the US to mass immigration from the 3rd world, especially not illegal immiration, and wouldn’t have, but big business and politicians sold them out.
Anyway, this guy self identified as “mild-moderate authoritarian left”. No one on the right thinks this was a good idea. We know the FBI creates crime for propaganda purposes, like the attempted kidnapping of Gov. Whitmer, so a lot of people on the right believe these folks either tried to egg him on or at least didn’t try to stop this guy after he previously threatened to shoot up his school (pretty big warning sign there).
Even though the majority of mass shootings in the US are committed by blacks, you would never get that idea from following the MSM. For instance, the mass murder of Whites by a black man in Waukeshia was quickly memory holed by the mass media, even though the perp had expressed clear anti-White views.
“Those same individuals like to pretend there is no veiled incitement to violence in that theory.” Would you hold BLM and its ilk to the same standard re: “veiled incitement to violence”?
Look the “theory” is either objectively true or it’s not. Of course if the election was stolen (as lots of evidence points to on multiple levels), then that could also incite some people as well. Does that justify a perpetual cover up? Of course not. Lying to the people to hide terrible things done by those in power is not excusable.
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Let’s go Brandon
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While I don’t agree with killing random people, no sane person can deny that whites are on track to become a minority in both Western Europe and the Anglosphere due to mass migration
And for those who say “it’s because non-whites have higher birth rates”, consider the fact that non-whites are only here in large enough numbers to outbreed us because of recent (i.e. post-WWII) migration.
If it wasn’t for post-war immigration to America, for example, whites would be 80-85% of the population.
The only place where white demographic decline is natural (not from recent migration) is South Africa, where we have gone from almost a quarter of the population to less than 8% because blacks have huge families compared to whites (in South Africa at least), even though they can’t usually support their huge families.
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First off whites don’t belong in South Africa. No white has any legitimate claim to one square meter of African land, period. And the same could be said for the USA. Ever heard of First Nations indigenous people?
As for the “Anglosphere,” well maybe you shouldn’t have blown up all those middle-eastern countries because now those folks need a place to live. You wrecked India and stole all its wealth, so now Indians are coming to take it back.
There’s nothing you can do about any of it, so I guess you can either whine on the internet until you die, or pick up an assault rifle and kill a few poor innocent people in a supermarket? Either way your race is DONE and OVER.
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couple things, here…
@reynagirl have to agree, cf: https://nypost.com/2022/05/17/twisted-diary-of-alleged-buffalo-shooter-payton-gendron-reveals-his-online-radicalization/
@rippedphreak since you put it like that, you’re welcome to be able to say so to everyone, tell us how you really feel
and my takeaway, as of now, is that it’s probably not reality to be shopping in the cornucopia-like supermarket in your leisure wear, but actually the state of war we just witnessed, not finding the exact words here…
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White people have already caused a Great Replacement, starting in 1492.
If you’re worried about the survival of White Europeans, go back to Europe.
Of course the numbers there are low: millions of White people abandoned Europe over the last five centuries. Now you want to cry about it?
Stop blaming Third World immigrants today for doing the exact same thing that poverty-stricken Europeans did in the 1800s and 1900s.
And try to remember that the vast majority of Black Americans have been here since the colonial era.
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Solitaire:
As you well know, Europe is heading quickly toward majority non-White as well. There is no homeland to return to. The numbers of Whites there overall are fine (though the current demographic trends are a disaster). There are still many more White people than a century ago, for instance. There are just ever increasing numbers of non-Europeans there as well.
Yes, there was a great replacement in the Americas starting in 1492. It wasn’t great for the Indians. They did fight back valiantly in many cases. Whites in the US aren’t even trying.
Anyway, I appreciate your honesty. If more people of color could just stand up and say, “Yes we hate White people and you are being replaced–deal with it” (nevermind that Latin America shows that things are likely to get much worse for those same people of color with fewer Whites around)–that would really wake up a lot of complacent White people to take action before its too late.
No one said that most American blacks were part of the massive 3rd world immigration that the US went through last in the last 60 years (and few people blame the immigrants themselves). However, as things get worse in the US, largely as a result of that immigration, blacks will be affected the worst. A great irony is that blacks should be the loudest voices against illegal immigration and the increased inequality and social instability it creates, but their (largely semetic inspired) hatred and jealousy of White people won’t allow them to see it.
Anyway, we are now clearly in the looting phase of the collapse when those in power are taking what they can while they can and screw the long-term consequences. Things will get much worse. So stay tuned, friend.
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“…things get worse in the US, largely as a result of that immigration”
Things have gotten worse in the USA for the past 4.5 decades because of deindustrialization and the exporting of [good paying union] jobs.
At the same time, the political class (Dems and Repubs) followed their masters directives and turned the US into a war state, spending our blood and treasure on endless wars abroad.
More profit for the military-industrial-congressional complex. Austerity for the rest of us.
When the people whose homelands were ravaged by those same endless wars show up on the border, Nativists blame the people fleeing war and
sanctionseconomic sieges for “things gett[ing] worse in the US”.When you destroy other people’s homes, livelihoods and families, you become responsible for them. Want to staunch the flow of immigrants? Close those 800 US military bases overseas.
I would love for the USA to stop meddling in other peoples countries and take care of home first.
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He pointed his gun to his neck but police still managed to take him alive – a courtesy not always extended to Black men, even when unarmed or back turned.
The police probably bought him a hamburger on the way to jail like they did with the Charleston Massacre coward.
Plus lots of “atta-boys” and back slaps. They being kindred spirits and all.
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Afrofem.. there is something interesting happening here. I don’t really disagree with any of your response to me, except that of course mass illegal/third world immigration has worked to destroy the once robust American middle class together with the deindustrialization/export of jobs and massive foreign wars you mentioned.
I guess I also don’t really buy that we get huge immigration from Latin America primarily because we’ve attacked them, but there certainly is an “invade the world, invite the world” mentality in the ruling class (h/t to Steve Sailer for the term) and that does account for most recent immigration from the Middle East.
Yes yes yes to shutting down the American empire! Most average Americans have no desire to keep financing 800 foreign military bases or massive bribes (a lot of which wind their way back into the US elite’s pockets) characterized as “foreign aid”, when things are getting worse and worse at home.
You’ve largely outlined an “America First” type position. Now if only we could get an America First candidate who wasn’t as divisive as Trump (though a lot of that divisiveness was manufactured by the elite who were rightly terrified that a true nationalist could chip away at their power)! 30 years ago, Democrats supported policies to benefit the American middle class (which is the true core of America First). Now they’ve pretty much given up on that in favor of identity politics that create more inequality in practice (letting the elite pillage the country, while most of the population is distracted by a largely fake narrative). Even someone like Bernie has basically bowed down to the central corporatist Dem machine, though they’d still never let him close to power. Sad state of affairs, but maybe there is change on the horizon if people like us can agree on a lot of basic things.
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@ Biff
“As you well know, Europe is heading quickly toward majority non-White as well.”
Duh, that’s exactly what I was talking about. If you want to take steps towards keeping a White majority, you actually have some historical basis for doing so in Europe, the homeland of White Europeans. But it is not right or fair to demand a White majority on other continents.
“The numbers of Whites there overall are fine (though the current demographic trends are a disaster).”
And you can reverse those demographic trends by going back there.
“Yes, there was a great replacement in the Americas starting in 1492. It wasn’t great for the Indians. They did fight back valiantly in many cases. Whites in the US aren’t even trying.”
There’s a huge difference. The non-White immigrants in the USA do not have a massive military force fighting an absolute war of eradication against White people, selling the survivors into slavery in the Caribbean or forcing their removal to distant territories, chasing groups of fleeing Whites across the borders of Canada and Mexico, hunting them down ruthlessly, and herding the few remaining survivors into concentration camps.
You want Whites in the US to “fight back valiantly” how exactly?
My overall point, which you seem to have missed, is White people have been the violent perpetrators of a real Great Replacement — not just in the Americas but in Australia, New Zealand, Tasmania, Polynesia, etc. — which went far beyond the “immigration trends” you’re wringing your hands over now.
“Anyway, I appreciate your honesty. If more people of color could just stand up and say, “Yes we hate White people and you are being replaced–deal with it”…”
Where exactly did I say I hate White people? Where did I say that I think White people are being replaced? I don’t believe in this Great Replacement theory. I’m only pointing out your hypocrisy in whining about an imaginary conspiracy against Whites when the real Great Replacement was perpetrated by Whites.
I don’t even want all White Americans to go back to Europe, just the ones who think White people are being intentionally replaced. Go back to your ancestral continent and deal with it there. Give the indigenous peoples of the Americas a chance to finally recover their demographics from the atrocities they’ve suffered.
“No one said that most American blacks were part of the massive 3rd world immigration that the US went through last in the last 60 years”
Then why the everlasting eff do Great Replacement believers like Payton Gendron keep targeting Black Americans? Why?
“but their (largely semetic inspired)”
Shouldn’t that be in double parentheses? /s
“A great irony is that blacks should be the loudest voices against illegal immigration and the increased inequality and social instability it creates, but their (largely semetic inspired) hatred and jealousy of White people won’t allow them to see it.”
“Look, Black folks, we aren’t your oppressors — it’s those Brown people over there!!”
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Solitaire:
Going back to Europe wouldn’t stop the importation to the West from the third world. The ideology comes the US. The rot is here. I’ll stay and fight it at its source.
History is full of conquests. The so called “native Americans” were just here longer, but weren’t here “originally” and they fought and replaced others before them.
Yes, White people initiating the previous great replacement and (((White people))) are masterminding this one. If Whites were united, it wouldn’t happen, but they’ve been made to feel that they are bad because of their success. However, those same Whites who loudly preach that live in their nice lily White neighborhoods and live like lords, with Mexicans and Squatemalans to come mow their lawns and clean their house every week and a token talented tenth friend or two. They refuse to see their hypocrisy.
I don’t accept White guilt. When Europeans arrived in the America’s its then inhabitants hadn’t even invented the wheel and there was no knowledge of God, but then I’m sure you’d read the old Testament and believe the Israelites were guilty of genocide many times over.
You are free to believe that White people are oppressing you and that life will suddenly get better when brown people are a majority, but it’s still an obvious lie.
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Orginally Posted by Paul Kruger
No white man is African.
So whites go into a country like South Africa and do this to black South Africans
And impose laws like this
And because of that are living like this in South Africa
Then whites have no right to complain about anything.
Many white South Africans have moved to Australia but guess what ? They’re unhappy. They traded living among the upper class in South Africa to living in the lower class in Australia or NZ.
It bums them out that they can’t go to restaurants and mistreat the black employees. They long to back in the good old days in SA when not only white men were shooting black south Africans but their women were too.
But those dam blacks!!! Why can’t they be happy at being dumped on ?
I mean black South Africans should be happy to live like this right ?
These white South Africans took everything and now they want to vilify people who are experiencing more suffering than they’ll ever know. Suffering they caused.
And the fact is that a big majority of black South African’s can’t afford to be online. So propaganda spreads without any actual black South Africans defending themselves.
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@ Biff
“The so called ‘native Americans’ were just here longer, but weren’t here ‘originally'”
Really? Who preceded them?
“Squatemalans”
Wow. No, you’re not racist, not at all. /s
“When Europeans arrived in the America’s its then inhabitants hadn’t even invented the wheel and there was no knowledge of God”
And that gave White Europeans the go-ahead to slaughter them?
“You are free to believe that White people are oppressing you … but it’s still an obvious lie.”
How is it a lie?
“that life will suddenly get better when brown people are a majority”
I don’t believe I said that. My point was, you’re using typical deflection techniques, an attempt at divide and conquer. It’s glaringly obvious and you’re fooling no one.
There were two questions from my previous comment that you didn’t address, to which I really would like to know the answers:
▪️Exactly how do you want Whites to “fight back valiantly”
&
▪️If believers in the Great Replacement theory understand that “most American blacks” were not “part of the massive 3rd world immigration that the US went through last in the last 60 year,” why do the violent ones keep targeting Black Americans?
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Orginally Posted By Paul Kruger
When whites go into a country like South Africa and do this to black South Africans
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fba2b98c223ee74d2400e73568e06be7-lq
And impose laws like this
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ccb1a86d196277afec29f8fa490afcd6-lq
And because of that are living like this in South Africa
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-111156a7be4c4335235fbe9d9739f1df-lq
Then whites have no right to complain about anything in SA.
Actually many white South Africans have moved to Australia but guess what ? They’re unhappy. They traded living among the upper class in South Africa to living in the lower class in Australia or NZ.
It bums them out that they can’t go to restaurants and mistreat the black employees. They long to back in the good old days in SA when not only white men were shooting black south Africans but their women were too.
https://www.history.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_700/MTYzNjQ0MjEwMjkxOTQzMzYx/photo-gallery_apartheid_ap_6105141102.webp
But those dam blacks!!! Why can’t they be happy at being dumped on ?
https://www.history.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_700/MTYzNjQ0MzgxMDE2ODkzMzc3/photo-gallery-apartheid-gettyimages-98281561.webp
https://www.history.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_700/MTYzNjQ0MjEwMjkyMDA4ODk3/photo-gallery-apartheid-getty-78952509.webp
I mean blk South Africans should be happy to live like this right ?
https://www.history.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_700/MTYzNjQ0MjgzMDM3OTUxNDAz/photo-gallery-apartheid-gettyimages-120667821.webp
These white South Africans took everything and now they want to vilify people who are experiencing more suffering than they’ll ever know. Suffering they caused.
And the fact is that a big majority of black South African’s can’t afford to be online. So propaganda spreads without any actual black South Africans defending themselves.
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Solitaire:
I’ve found from experience that back and forth with you is not productive at all. Neither of us is going to change our mind on much I think. I will humor you with another round of responses this time, however.
Re: waves of immigrants to ancient Americans, see e.g. https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528734-400-americas-saw-three-waves-of-ancient-settlers/
No one seemingly cares too much about who was first, just like no one cares at all about all the Bushmen and Pygmies slaughtered by the Bantu in Africa.
Yes.
Most of the “slaughter” of the Indians was due to disease, and the descendants of the “natives” in the Americas are far more numerous than the the population in 1492 due to European invented agriculture, technology and medicine, so there is that.
The lie is clearly seen in that if White people were great oppressors, others from around the world wouldn’t purposely seek them out and try to join their communities, and no things won’t get better for blacks with a Hispanic or Asian majority population, but you already know that.
Woke Whites should fight for a pause on immigration (the way the US has done in the past when there was too much societal inequality), enforcement of border laws, as well as repatriation of those here illegally. That would be a reasonable start. I also want stuff like CRT publicly denounced as the evil anti-White propaganda it is (people who support BLM support policies that observably get thousands more blacks killed through lax policing, for instance).
Re: the shooter, I believe the feds help create much of this kind of crime for propaganda purposes. I know that sounds extreme, but they have done it before and they are observably pretty short on ethics. The manifesto seems to be largely copied from the NZ shooter, who again had some pretty suspicious circumstances. Kids like this may hear about BLM and see the destruction caused in the cities due to that and feel like getting black people is a way to strike back, but the fact remains White on black violence is only about 1/10th of black on White violence, as official statistic bear out. The media tells the opposite story and hence lies to the public. Also there was the 2019 El Paso mall shooting targeting mostly Hispanics, but no one seems to care about them here.
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@ Biff
“Re: waves of immigrants to ancient Americans, see…”
Your article says there were three waves of migration from Asia. The way you were talking, it sounded like you were suggesting the Native Americans displaced a different race from themselves, which is not the case. They are original to the Americas just as much as White Europeans are original to Europe.
“Yes.”
How do you justify that belief in light of the Golden Rule? Where in the New Testament does Jesus tell Christians to kill people who haven’t heard of him yet?
“the descendants of the ‘natives’ in the Americas are far more numerous than the the population in 1492”
Depends entirely on which numbers you believe. Obviously that would be a futile discussion because, as you said, neither of us are going to budge. I’m simply pointing out for those reading along that your statement isn’t a fact, more of a hypothesis — one with which many scholars disagree.
“The lie is clearly seen in that if White people were great oppressors, others from around the world wouldn’t purposely seek them out”
White people brought Africans here in chains. An enormous part of the U.S. was taken from Mexico, and there were Hispanic people already living on that land. Plus everything south of the U.S. border was also conquered and subjugated by White Europeans. There is a substantial population in the Americas of non-White peoples who never purposely sought out Whites.
“and no things won’t get better for blacks with a Hispanic or Asian majority population, but you already know that.”
We aren’t headed for a Hispanic majority or an Asian majority, just a White minority-majority. And I do think things could get better for everyone with a multiracial coalition.
Also, let’s not forget that the Hispanic population and the Black population overlap. Hispanic is not a race and includes people of all races.
“Woke Whites should fight for a pause on immigration (the way the US has done in the past when there was too much societal inequality)”
When was that?
“I also want stuff like CRT publicly denounced as the evil anti-White propaganda it is”
You’ve never read any actual critical race theory, have you? Kimberlé Crenshaw, Richard Delgado, Mari Matsuda?
“Re: the shooter, I believe the feds help create much of this kind of crime for propaganda purposes. I know that sounds extreme”
Yeah, it sounds really extreme. Like tinfoil-hat extreme.
“Kids like this may hear about BLM and see the destruction caused in the cities due to that and feel like getting black people is a way to strike back”
He’s from a small town in upstate New York. You know from prior discussions that we already disagree on the amount of “destruction” caused by the 2020 protests, but even if I grant you that point, none of it happened anywhere near him and had no negative impact on his life.
“Also there was the 2019 El Paso mall shooting targeting mostly Hispanics, but no one seems to care about them here.”
You mean this shooting?
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2019/08/05/patrick-crusius/
Yeah, no one here cared. That’s why Abagond wrote about it immediately after it happened and why he included it in the “See Also” links at the end of this very post.
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Solitaire:
You’re a sinkhole of time and effortpoasts and I guess you like it that way.
All from Asia or not, they are fighting and killing each other.
“Yes” was re: Squatemalans.
Existant agriculture at the time couldn’t have sustained current populations. You know that, but you choose to argue.
The point is that nowadays no one actual acts in practice like Whites are oppressors, no matter what they say.
After WWI there were much more restrictive immigration laws in place for some time, and the extreme inequality of the guilded age gave way to a much more egaliatarian socity until the effects of the 1965 act and other anti labor policies (touched on by Afrofem) reversed the trend and gave us what we have today (I’m sure you know all this).
Hispanic majority comes later, but if the trends don’t change that’s where we end up in the not too distant future. It won’t stop when Whites are 49% of the country, just like it didn’t stop when they were 85% a few decades ago.
I went to elite schools and workplaces. CRT crap is inescapable, but no it’s not my choice for pleasure reading.
I’m sure it is tinfoil hat level stuff to think the Kennedy assassination was anything other than a lone gunman or that the Nixon/Kennedy election was tainted by fraud or that the Luisitania was carrying US weapons.. Or that the Hunter Biden laptop is anything other than Russian propaganda. You really trust the government and the media. What a good boy.
Everyone saw riots, looting and buildings burning all over the country. It affected everyone negatively. Gun sales surged.
I realize that abagond is going to post about all major White on brown crime, while he seldom posts about the much more common brown on White crime, but my point is this blog spends like 10X as much energy talking about blacks and Asians than about Hispanics generally.
Do you really enjoy this kind of back and forth? You didn’t even really respond to my initial post, you just have more straw man arguments to throw out.
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@ Biff
“Do you really enjoy this kind of back and forth?”
You’re the one who initiated it. If you don’t want to engage with me, you can choose not to.
“You’re a sinkhole of time and effortpoasts”
🤔
“and I guess you like it that way.”
I don’t enjoy dealing with racist blowhards like you, but I’m not going to let the bs you spew stand without any rebuttal. Other people are reading who need to be able to weigh both sides.
“’Yes’ was re: Squatemalans.”
I didn’t ask you a question about that. I did ask you a question as to what you were driving at when you said Native Americans did not have the wheel or the Christian gospel when the Europeans first arrived.
“Existant agriculture at the time couldn’t have sustained current populations.”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379118307261
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/native-american-farming-cahokia
“After WWI there were much more restrictive immigration laws in place for some time”
So you’re talking about the Emergency Quota Act of 1921 and the Immigration Act of 1924, which placed limits on European immigrants by ethnic groups with the intent of sharply reducing immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe.
“the extreme inequality of the guilded age gave way to a much more egaliatarian socity”
The Gilded Age ended in 1900, more than 20 years before the restrictive immigration laws were enacted. The economic boom of the 1920s ended with the crash in 1929 and the Great Depression, which those restrictive immigration laws did nothing to prevent.
“I went to elite schools and workplaces. CRT crap is inescapable, but no it’s not my choice for pleasure reading.”
It doesn’t sound like you actually know what critical race theory is but instead are using the term incorrectly as a catch-all, in the way that has become popular among right-wing circles the last couple years.
“I realize that abagond is going to post about all major White on brown crime”
Except you didn’t realize it. You explicitly said that no one here cared about a specific mass shooting, and you were proven wrong.
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You have a openly racist news channel
Who’s anchors regularly and repeatedly promote racist ideas and stories knowing
That sooner or later some deranged target will act on said racist ideas and stories
Thereby driving even more viewers in general and more attention to racist ideas and stories promoted by racist white people specifically
For the benefit of all white people in general.
anyway
I still can’t find an answer to why I feel everyone but especially racist white people can see me telepathically
Why for some reason black women are the strongest supporters of white Dominace –
Who trains the child from birth to reject their natural hair.
The mother who is forced to reject her natural hair to live.
Why do most Africans and African Americans embrace a religion emposed on them Through slavery that endorses slavery.
Because Violence And lies are two powerful tools to dominate and control the world.
Kept secrets, force people into property and keep them isolated and ignorant
And then encourage everyone including them to blame themselves for what others have done to them and forced them to do.
But still I’m special
Because my mother failed under the weight of racist proverty and abuse
To somehow instill both a deep self hatred especially in regards to my hair as well as a willingness to accept a blatant lie and all the contradictions
As I see the vast majority of Africans and African Americans seem to have and embrace to varying degrees.
Malcolm X said – who taught you to hate yourself?
the answer is obvious
Next question is why
Why did white people have such a need for black people to hate themselves?
Speaking of Malcolm x during the sixties
a lot of black people began to accept their natural hair ,but Malcolm’s wife never did,even though she and several of their offspring meet a untimely end.
And why as alleged intelligent as Martin Luther King was did he never rise the issue of the Bible endorsing slavery?
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Solitaire: Bad reader or liar? You decide. He said, “You explicitly said that no one here cared about a specific mass shooting, and you were proven wrong.”
What I actually said, “Also there was the 2019 El Paso mall shooting targeting mostly Hispanics, but no one seems to care about them here.”
“Them” is plural and so can’t refer to a specific shooting. Instead, it clearly refers to “Hispanics” and the comment is just that Hispanics aren’t discussed much here. The only reason that shooting would get mentioned is because the shooter was White. If he were black, forget about it.
Anyway, the links you provided don’t demonstrate that so-called native Americans had agricultural prowess to feed over a billion (current population of the Americas). I’ve seen high estimates of the population in 1491 at 100 million, but probably more like a tenth of that, so my point stands. But you know that.
You just like to argue.
The Gilded Age was a period of very heavy immigration, which contributed to extreme wealth disparity (not too dissimilar from what we see now). Things were still pretty unequal into the 1920s, which inspired more restrictive immigration laws. The crash of 1929 wiped out a lot of wealth and helped level the playing field to some extent and the immigration policies in place then helped as well. Good immigration policies aren’t designed to stop all recessions/depressions and I never said that. That’s just something you made up.
It’s all so tiresome to explain it to you, since you will never admit you were wrong. However, when I’m misquoted/mischaracterized it’s hard to let it go. Guess I need to try.
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Originally Posted By Biff
You have to speak the language of the white man and the white man only understands violence. So you have to talk in a way that he understands.
Originally Posted By Biff
You’re projecting.
You’re assuming black peiople think like you. Black people have done nothing to white people. Don’t project your messed up way of thinking onto us. I don’t hate white people….but then again I don’t hate Tigers…….but I understand a Tigers nature.
And “People of Color” ? Look – The same DOG that bites black people in the USA is the same DOG that bites black people in India, in Brazil, in China.
We have no friends. It’s the world against black people
You could go to a non white country right now and be treated better than I or any black person would. Frankly I don’t want black people to hate white people. I want black people to stop loving them. .
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@ Biff
“’Them’ is plural and so can’t refer to a specific shooting. Instead, it clearly refers to ‘Hispanics'”
Your wording was: “Also there was the 2019 El Paso mall shooting targeting mostly Hispanics, but no one seems to care about them here.”
There were multiple Hispanics killed in the El Paso shooting. It is reasonable to assume the plural use of “them” in the context of that sentence referred to those killed. “Them” can certainly refer to the victims (plural) of one specific shooting.
Additionally, your prior comment in that paragraph was not about the lack of discussion here concerning Hispanics, but instead about “media lies” regarding the frequency of violent Black-on-White crime. Reading in the context of your full paragraph, it certainly makes sense to infer you were talking about a lack of concern for Hispanic victims of racist violence, not a general lack of blog content about Hispanics.
My parsing of that sentence may not have caught your intended meaning, but your wording certainly allows for it. Work on writing more clearly.
And just for the record, there is discussion about Hispanics on this blog. Anyone who would like to see for themselves can go use the search tab at the top of the page.
Whether that content is sufficient to satisfy Biff is another question.
But I suspect it doesn’t really matter to you. You’re simply using allegations of Abagond’s supposed unconcern to try to introduce another wedge to prevent solidarity between Blacks and Hispanics.
“The only reason that shooting would get mentioned is because the shooter was White. If he were black, forget about it.”
Except Abagond has covered shootings by Black mass murderers in the past, so that’s also demonstrably false.
“Anyway, the links you provided don’t demonstrate that so-called native Americans had agricultural prowess to feed over a billion (current population of the Americas).”
Your original statement was “the descendants of the ‘natives’ in the Americas are far more numerous than the the population in 1492 due to European invented agriculture, technology and medicine” — that certainly sounds like you’re talking solely about the indigenous population numbers. A billion is the current population of the Americas as a whole, including all races. Way to move the goalposts!
“The Gilded Age was a period of very heavy immigration”
Again, let me remind you that the Gilded Age had been over for 20 years before those laws came into play. The 1920s immigration restrictions are rooted in contemporaneous events, such as the Red Scare, the post-war refugee crisis, and the eugenics movement.
“Things were still pretty unequal into the 1920s, which inspired more restrictive immigration laws.”
They were discriminatory laws which restricted “undesirable” groups of Catholics, Orthodox Christians, Jews, and non-Whites.
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5078
https://encyclopedia.densho.org/Immigration%20Act%20of%201924/
Look at the table in the first link: 50,000+ Germans a year and 34,000 British, versus less than 4,000 Italians, ~2,000 Russians, and only 100 Greeks.
“The crash of 1929 wiped out a lot of wealth and helped level the playing field to some extent and the immigration policies in place then helped as well.”
link.galegroup.com/apps/doc/CX3425600021/UHIC?u=oldt1017&xid=4c75c3e4
“You just like to argue.”
Allow me to remind you one more time that you addressed me first.
You also keep claiming that I “already know” your points, but that’s a mischaracterization. You’re implying I actually know you’re right but continue to argue out of sheer contrariness. That’s not something I ever do. I don’t argue just to argue — somewhere on this blog there’s even a discussion I had with Gro Jo about how much I hate that. The positions I take are those I believe.
“It’s all so tiresome to explain it to you, since you will never admit you were wrong.”
Prove me wrong and I’ll admit it. You seem to be used to people who agree with everything you say and very uncomfortable with those who don’t.
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My third source above didn’t format as a hyperlink, but it works as a cut-and-paste into the URL address bar.
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Keith Essein said:
“You have to speak the language of the white man and the white man only understands violence. So you have to talk in a way that he understands.”
Lolz! Apparently not, most White folks didn’t get the message from Waukesha. It was just another “senseless” tragedy. Even the fact that the perp was black was studiously hidden/downplayed in most MSM.
Solitaire said: “Prove me wrong and I’ll admit it.”
No, you really won’t. Earlier you specifically asked me: “If believers in the Great Replacement theory understand that “most American blacks” were not “part of the massive 3rd world immigration that the US went through last in the last 60 year,” why do the violent ones keep targeting Black Americans?”
I took the bait and dutifully provided a counterexample with many Hispanic victims, which I believe was actually at a Walmart in El Paso, not a mall (I could have mentioned attacks against Jews or Muslims, as well). Far from acknowledging OK you have a point there, you proceeded to jump to what you thought was a gotcha based on your misreading of what I was saying.
And now you are basically saying, “don’t blame me you started it” after you began with this cryptic message,
“Certain individuals have expressed their belief in that theory here, in their comments on numerous threads. Those same individuals like to pretend there is no veiled incitement to violence in that theory.”
So as a “certain individual”, I responded, because I thought what you said was BS, as you clearly don’t hold BLM or similar movements to the same standard of “veiled incitement to violence”. However, you never acknowledge that or have a restrained discussion of specific points. Instead you find hooks and ask other questions to try to get gotcha points. Maybe you could be a politician.
I know you’ll never admit to any of that, but I hope that others can see your tactics for what they are.
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Originally Posted By Biff
When a black person kills a white person – It’s always racial. I say to Petryon and people who think like him – Let’s have the race war.
But do white supremacists want it ? Do they really want a guerilla war with black people ? It’s take heart to fight a guerilla war and white supremacists don’t have it.
Had they let Chauvin walk free in the George Floyd case, the race war would have happened and that would have been a good thing.
Most ppl have access to guns. You will always be faced with mass resistance.
Plenty of innocents will be massacred, families wiped out, communities looted and burnt.
Blk ppl have guns too
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Plus there is no shortage of real veterans from blk urban background. Yes the most disproportionately represented group come from white exurban and rural areas.
Yes white supremacists have always Joined the military, to learn to fight in their little Rahowa thing. The flipside to that, is if they do start up their race war, you’ll find there’s a lot of blk ppl who’ve had that same training, as well as combat experience.
Black people ain’t going anywhere without great tragedy to your own
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@ Biff
“I took the bait and dutifully provided a counterexample with many Hispanic victims … (I could have mentioned attacks against Jews or Muslims, as well). Far from acknowledging OK you have a point there…”
Except that I never said violent believers in the Great Replacement Theory only target Blacks. Of course not. That’s even mentioned in Abagond’s original post.
My question to you was why do these believers kill Black Americans at all, considering the vast majority are not part of the post-1965 immigration wave? And you came back with some BS about getting even for looting and property damage.
Let me phrase it in this way: Do believers in the Great Replacement Theory accept the right of Black Americans to continue to live in the land they’ve called home for (m/l) three hundred years? Or do they consider Black Americans to be part of the replacers?
“So as a ‘certain individual’, I responded”
I named no names. I have no clue why you thought I was referring to you or singling you out. Only you can know why you saw yourself in my description.
“However, you never … have a restrained discussion of specific points. Instead you find hooks and ask other questions to try to get gotcha points.”
LOL, this coming from the dude who tried to argue BLM worships Satan because a parody religion issued a statement that Black lives matter.
Dude, I ask questions to try to understand where someone is coming from. If you wind up in a “gotcha” situation, then you either need to improve your presentation of your logic or re-examine your principles.
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Solitaire:
I get that, for rhetorical purposes, you’d very much like to tie good, decent people who aren’t excited about their descendants living in a country (which their forefathers founded and which was widely considered the greatest country in the history of the world) where Whites become an ever increasing minority to mentally unstable mass murderers who may or may not have been manipulated by (or at least intentionally ignored by) feds who had ample warning about the shooter’s mental illness. https://www.revolver.news/2022/05/buffalo-shooting-payton-gendron-what-did-fbi-know-when-did-they-know-it/
Anyway, to answer your new question, I think the vast majority of folks concerned about the Great Replacement, myself included, would be thrilled to be able to have the country maintain its 1965 or even 2000 racial composition, with a White majority and significant black minority. However, that doesn’t seem to be an option on the table. I would say the majority don’t believe American blacks are “replacers”, but rightly feel that they as a voting block have enabled the replacers.
However, there’s no more point in me talking about the motivations of a deranged guy who earlier threatened to shoot up his school than there is for you to delve into the psyche of Darrell Brooks (we already got that from Keith Essien it seems).
I understand exactly where you’re coming from (for others who may be Christian, they should take seriously that you profess Satanism is a joke–as they say, the greatest trick the devil ever played…). I just explain your modus operandi so at least others may be able to see it for what it is (and you for what you are). After my hundreds of comments over the years you implying you don’t know where I’m coming from doesn’t strike me as overly honest, but then I don’t think that’s ever been a problem for you.
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The cowardly Buffalo terrorist wrote in part:
““To intimidate the replacers already living on our lands to emigrate back to their home countries.”
His ignorance is appalling. No surprise there.
The average Black family has been in the US twice as long as the average White family. Most Black family roots go back to the 1600s⎯and that’s just counting the African portion of the family tree.
If the Native American portion of Black family trees are taken into consideration, then we’re talking tens of thousands of years.
For the mass of White people, their American identity goes back to the 1800s.
For the mass of Black people to “emigrate back to their home countries” would simply mean moving to the Middle Atlantic Seaboard (Virginia and Maryland) or the Coastal Southeast (Georgia and South Carolina) of the USA.
The USA is our home country. Black people have no other “home countries” to which we can emigrate.
Of course, no one is stopping family members of the Buffalo terrorist from taking the next plane back to Belgium or Northern France.
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@ Solitaire
You wrote:
“f believers in the Great Replacement theory understand that “most American blacks” were not “part of the massive 3rd world immigration that the US went through last in the last 60 year,” why do the violent ones keep targeting Black Americans?”
Great point!
Even though rightwing zealots like the Buffalo terrorist (BT), bray loudly about “immigrants”, I noticed BT didn’t drive to Flushing, NY with its large Asian American immigrant population, the diverse immigrant neighborhoods of the Queens borough or any Latinx barrio in the Bronx to murder people.
No, BT drove to Buffalo, NY and slaughtered middle-aged and older native born Black residents.
White supremacists may glorify BT’s actions, but those actions show a distinct lack of guts and risk taking on his part. BT went for easy targets who were unlikely to fight back.
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“The USA is our home country.black people have no other “home countries” to which we can emigrate.”
I respectfully disagree – the black people we are talking about ,where from africa with cultures and languages as diverse as any other group in this world.
the problem is the same group of people who brought africans here against thier will
then invested a lot of time and energy trying to convince us that we are the ulgiest most vile and criminal form of life there is,
that we have no cultures histories and socities worthy of looking back to or emigrating back to.
that this amertcan society is our only source and christainty the religion beaten into us during slavery ,that itself endorses slavery is our only hope even thoough
its god looks like our enslavers and we just so happen to resemble its devil.
its a trap and its showing its age.
Thats why I have a passport and the knowledge of where my group of people actually came from as well as awsering the question malcom x raised – who taught you to hate yourself? and why would a group of people engage in such a endeavor.
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Today a white supremacists was atrying to poke random Black people with syringe needles in #Harlem .The citizens allegedly neutralized the threat themselves, and it appears the police had to surround and protect the suspect.
This was not reported. The mainstream media is REAL QUIET about this.
Tw*tter keeps taking it down:
That’s the next step in the White Supremacy media takeover. The white supremacists mainstream media blackout of these events means Black people will run to Twitter to gain control over the narrative
Now that White Supremacist Elon Musk has control over Twitter, expect these tweets to be shadow-banned
But somehow, the police arrived just in the nick of time to prevent him getting his whole azz beat
HARLEM IS NOT BUFFALO
He tried it and took a phalanx of cops to keep him alive. Harlem don’t play that sh*t.
Had it been the Bronx or Brownsville he’d have been dead.
At least he was fucking with the right ones in Harlem. He REALLY needs to be praising his race soldier ancestors for keeping his ass safe from beyond, because he really should be in the fucking morgue right now.
This is why I don’t smile at these albino roaches in black neighborhoods, even if they smile at me first. Got these cave monkeys feeling too comfortable in our neighborhoods trying shit, but shout out to Harlem for handling the business.
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“You’ve largely outlined an “America First” type position.”
biff, my comment about “taking care of home first” is about as far from “America First” is as the Arctic is from Antarctica.
To me, taking care of home first is not rooted in exclusionary White nationalism. It doesn’t include cowering behind the walls of Fortress America or running roughshod over other people in other lands.
Taking care of home first precludes plunder or spreading chaos for power or profit.
My vision of taking care of home first is rooted in The Beloved Community (TBC). To me, TBC is inclusive and embracing. TBC is people taking care of other people, not just in the USA, but globally.
In my vision, a US government of, by and for [all of] the people would be the highest expression of TBC. People’s needs would come before bullets, bombs and killer robots or the profits they produce for sociopathic corporations.
Those human needs like:
✧ nutritious food
✧ clean water
✧ comfortable climate appropriate homes
✧ universal health care
✧ education
✧ climate change mitigation
✧ clean, renewable energy
✧ roads
✧ bridges
✧ sanitation infrastructure
✧ community and connection
would be at the center of taking care of home first, not sidelined or blocked by venal politicians or technocratic lackeys.
TBC would dissolve the fear and division of White supremacist identity politics. There would be no valorization of aggression or any form of violence.
In practical terms, taking care of home first would also be far more economical.
Fully provisioned schools with well paid teachers cost less than police or prisons.
State-of-the-art hospitals and clinics in every US county with doctors, nurses, midwives, doulas, dentists and other healthcare providers cost less than people suffering and dying of preventable causes like diabetes or tooth abcesses.
Upgraded sanitation infrastructure cost less than water borne disease and the longterm effects of chemically contaminated water a la Flint, Michigan.
Community and connection costs way less than anomie, drugs, despair and suicide.
To me, taking care of home first means the people and the leaders of the USA cease imposing violence, punitive policies and odious debt in attempts to control each other and the world.
Instead they work to build The Beloved Community at home and abroad.
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@ Mbeti
Good points!
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Afrofem:
America First is not about White nationalism and would only have a tangential connection if any. Frankly, it would benefit would be middle class blacks the most.
We’re not going to agree on everything coming from different sides of the political spectrum (for instance, I’m not fully on board with the current climate change hypothesis, as previous dire predictions from a decade ago have been incredibly wrong and I am old enough to remember when scientists were worried about global cooling, but I can definitely support a cleaner environment). We do agree on a lot based on what you’ve articulated on your posts here. I’m not in favor of a huge military presence outside of the US. I’d like to end the American empire and foreign wars to support it. Yes, that’s not exactly where Trump ended up, but the current Dems are observably much worse. Trump didn’t give in to the Neocons re: new wars with China, Russia or the Middle East and he would likely have kept us out of this mess in Ukraine that will cost many thousands of Ukrainian (in addition to Russian) lives, as well as hundreds of billions of US taxpayer dollars, a large portion of which will no doubt make it back into the pockets of the US elites.
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biff:
“Yes, that’s not exactly where Trump ended up, but the current Dems are observably much worse.”
Agreed. The Dems are much worse in that regard. They are a full tilt imperial war party. They tease the American public with an end to austerity, but never deliver. Instead they waste our time and attention with overblown Russophobic propaganda.
The Dems remain a viable political party because the Repubs are unabashed fascist control freaks. They are the White Man’s party.
Emphasis on White.
Emphasis on Man.
Both parties work in tandem to maintain a toxic two party system that benefits politicians and their donors. Trump was and is a creature born of that toxicity.
Trump didn’t start any foreign wars because he was so focused on suppressing domestic opponents. His unhinged rants and attempted actions against Antifa and BLM are legendary.
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“…the black people we are talking about ,where from africa with cultures and languages as diverse as any other group in this world.
the problem is the same group of people who brought africans here against thier will…”
Mbeti, I agree with your many of your points. I also applaud you being proactive in getting a passport.
I’ve had a bellyful of White Supremacists like the Buffalo terrorist pretending the US is or ever was a “White man’s country” or as the BT wrote it, “our lands”… “European soil”… “European lands”.
The Americas were always multi-cultural and multi-ethnic. The Native Americans had scores of different cultures and languages.
When Europeans invaded this hemisphere, the Americas became more multi-ethnic, not less.
It is galling for this terrorist to suggest Black people emigrate back to anywhere. Our African ancestors were not immigrants. They did not come to this country or hemisphere seeking a ‘better life’. They were already living a better life in West and Central Africa.
Africans in those regions of the continent enjoyed four growing seasons and productive farms, arts, music, dance, their own religions, universities, trading empires and cities.
They were dragged to this hemisphere literally kicking and screaming.
They were brutalized, forced to work for free and defamed by those who harmed them for centuries.
Over those same centuries, our marooned ancestors developed their own culture, language and take on the religion they were forced to adopt. They/we are still of African descent, but we have become Americans and for better or worse, this is our home.
Americans of African descent have contributed more to this nation than the Buffalo terrorist and his ilk. It was Black labor that made America rich and attractive to the Europeans who flooded these shores in the 1800s.
Abagond has explored this theme in several posts, most notably in the post,
What America would be like without blacks:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/what-america-would-be-like-without-blacks/
Abagond notes:
Without Black people, the Buffalo terrorist would be living in a shack in upstate New York railing against his Dutch or English neighbors.
There would be no “White” people, no “14 words” or other assorted anti-Black BS.
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You also have made many excellent points and have expressed a very well rounded view of this issue.
I also sense what I may say is your pain and outrage that we African Americans are the most frequent victims of white racist violence whether it’s from some lone vigilante or the actual state via law enforcement.
The ultimate issue is as I have been thinking about it
Is currently the white populations of Europe have been successful
Successful invaders kidnappers rapist murders enslavers.
We are gaslight with one important component
They have been successful and are in power.
I currently marvel at the utter ridiculousness of religion specifically Christianity and the fact that most of our practice it
But it’s not the religion ,it’s the effective violence ,you can tell any type of story you want ,if you have a gun to may head
I can ether accept it or die.
And if your group has the monopoly on the latest military technology while ensuring any other group never hopes to have the same technology the your dominance is assured.
But their are more than things than military power ,nothing last forever and morality is also a force.
Currently I’m learning to better manage my frustrations and limitations
While I don’t have the capacity to recall ever word,
I apologize for in may isolation insisting that the majority of African Americans support the status quo,
It’s more like as a group currently our options are very limited,
And me
I’m some weird abnormality that loves us all and I am grateful to have been here, and I have a lot of hope that we will survive these challenges and go forward to greater peace love and happiness.
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@ Biff
“good, decent people who aren’t excited about their descendants living in a country … where Whites become an ever increasing minority”
Biff, why are you so sure your descendants will be White? Even if you manage to make the demographics of the USA one hundred percent White, those Americans will still travel, the college kids will still study abroad, etc. Your children or your grandchildren or your great-grandchildren may still meet someone of another race and fall in love and marry and have interracial children — and then your descendants will no longer be White. Exactly what is wrong with that?
“feds … had ample warning about the shooter’s mental illness”
Even your own source admits that’s conjecture. All we know for certain is that the state police investigated him once for a comment that didn’t involve any race-based language or ideology:
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/broome-da-says-authorities-followed-the-law-with-gendrons-high-school-threat/article_f61ee8a6-d6dc-11ec-b33b-cf576d594f42.amp.html
“I think the vast majority of folks concerned about the Great Replacement, myself included, would be thrilled to be able to have the country maintain its 1965 or even 2000 racial composition, with a White majority and significant black minority.”
That is still a big ask, especially reverting to 1965 numbers. I don’t see how that can possibly happen without expelling people who are natural-born U.S. citizens, including many who are also the children and grandchildren of natural-born U.S. citizens. Are you going to advocate for the Fourteenth Amendment to be overturned?
(And see, this is why I ask questions. Because I don’t actually know the answer. No, not even after all your years of posting — most of which I was not around for, seeing as your long break from active commenting coincided with the first few years I was here. Plus when you resumed two years ago, numerous old-timers — including Abagond himself — said repeatedly that you’d changed.)
“I understand exactly where you’re coming from”
OMG, that is hysterical. Thanks for the lulz.
“for others who may be Christian, they should take seriously that you profess Satanism is a joke”
Reading comprehension again, my dude. I professed nothing of the sort, simply pointed out that your idea of “restrained discussion” includes trying to pass off a parody group as true Satanists in a “gotcha” strategy:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2020/08/11/kamala-harris-2/#comment-469029
But I would worry if I were you. In your heart you despise much of humanity, whom God created in his image and whom Jesus commanded you to love — even those you consider your enemies.
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Overturning the 14th amendment is a necessity if White Americans are to have a country.
Look at South Africa – Whites lost control of the country, and they are now up “spit” creek without a paddle.
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@ Mbeti
“…their are more than things than military power ,nothing last forever and morality is also a force.”
Agreed.
White supremacist violence and warmongering had a beginning, a middle and will have an end. When that end is in sight, threats, intimidation nor military hardware will save them.
One of my husband’s hobbies is reading about military history. He has over two thousand books devoted to military history, strategy, tactics and equipment.
One book that caught my eye a few years back dealt with British counter-insurgency tactics in Kenya during the Kenyan’s fight for independence.
The author detailed all of the hardware, tactics and propaganda the British used against the Kenyan fighters. The author even talked about how clever the British were in suppressing the rebellion.
I remember chuckling while looking through the book. British military power, propaganda and cleverness weren’t able to stop an idea whose time had come⎯Kenyan independence.
The Kenyan people paid a horrific price in driving out the British, but they prevailed.
The Kenyans have had to deal with neo-colonial meddling in their affairs since independence, but they are still masters of their lands to this day.
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Like you, I’m also learning “to better manage my frustrations and limitations”.
It is disheartening to see Black people back where we started in the 1950s, worse for the wear and tear on our community. Yet, we’re still struggling against White supremacy through our sorrow and pain.
That gives me hope.
What sustains me, Mbeti, is a vision of a fairer, more just society. Living through this period is like being in a dank, underground dungeon. It would be all to easy to give in to despair and not dare imagine being in the sunlight.
Yet, seeing the sunlight, if only in my head right now, keeps my mind and heart open to new possibilities.
Plus just reading your words…
…gives me hope. Considering the challenges you’ve endured. You could have given in to despair and a poverty consciousness. But you didn’t. You made a decision to change your circumstances and stuck with it.
There have been lessons for me in reading about your experiences over the years.
Thank you.
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Originally Posted By Paul Ktuger
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Yeah because only white people know how to grow crops and mechanized agriculture is such a complicated science
B*tch plz
This is Asanda Sokombela, University of Fort Hare graduate. She has bachelor of Science in Agriculture. Currently she is producing cabbages and spinach, and butternut. Her vegetables are delivered various Spar in the EC.
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And there are plenty more
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As long as white supremacist leave black people alone black people will be fine
Growth of ones own country can’t happen in isolation.
It has to be within an agreed shared global structure which includes everyone.
While white supremacy remains in place, restrictions will always apply to black nations.
If SA or Zimbabwe set the precedent of reversing lands occupied by white people this would have create an avalanche that will have sweep the continent. In Southern Africa, since freedom, little or no land reform of any great significance has taken place, and the same in BOTSWANA, ZAMBIA, and NAMIBIA.
Plus whites in SA and for that matter Zimbabwe can still work for black farmers as field hands and laborers for minimum wage.
Oooooooooooh does that hurt ?
And the land in SA and Zimbabwe is not just for Agriculture but other forms of development including Mining, Infrastructure development, building malls n modern houses etc
As long as USAID, IMG and World Bank don’t try and send in there economic hitmen. Black people will be all right.
If the goal is to deal with white supremacy and the roots of white supremacy, if we aren’t talking about issues related to economic class and redistribution of wealth and power and land, then we aren’t actually dealing with the problem.
Black people remain unshaken.
Yeah….yeah….yeah……black people are aware of consequences like death, sanctions but what can white ppl do to black ppl that they have not done already ?
Black people remain resolute. Black people are taking their land and Biden/Harris, DA and Afriforum can go to hell.
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@Paul Kruger
I think you should watch this about what’s really going on with Land Reform in South Africa
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n7MPyCghy4&t)
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Keith, remember what happened to the Zulus who attacked Boer people during the Great Trek?
Andries Pretorius taught them a lesson at Blood River.
Attack us again only if you want Blood River II to happen…
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@ Paul Kruger
You means this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaner_Weerstandsbeweging#Bophuthatswana_crisis
Today, under majority rule, Blacks are the mainstay of the police and the military. I would not suggest any minority group to try a coup d’etat. It would be unwise.
Anyway, these discussions in the Internet, miss the main point: the Republic of South Africa is a democratic state where the majority of the population, Whites, Blacks and any other ethnicity, are trying together to build a cohesive nation. Their successes, for example, in the recent battles against Covid-19, when they discovered and studied new variants of that virus, point to the way to go. Few disappointed individuals, who go to Internet sites to rant their anger, will not kill this project of a cohesive nation, the rainbow nation.
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@munubantu – I mean the Battle of Blood River in 1838.
Keith Essien was the one who started posting comments to stir up racial tensions in SA. He wants to steal Boer land. Blacks are welcome to try and take our land, but if they do, they will Blood River 2.0
Don’t try and steal our land, defile our monuments, disadvantage us, rename our towns, etc…and we will let you be. We are angry that you people seem to have it out for us and want to make our lives more difficult, but we do not hate you people merely for existing. We just want to be left alone. That’s why we trekked into the interior in the first place…
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“We are angry that you people seem to have it out for us and want to make our lives more difficult… We just want to be left alone.”
Why is it that the people who know the least, talk or write the most?
Black people “do not hate you people”, we are merely tired of you and your self-absorbed diatribes, not to mention the threats of violence which are precursors to the actual violence by the White supremacist system. That violence is a daily feature of Black people’s lives.
Every single day is a mental, emotional and often physical struggle for most Black folk in the Diaspora. It starts when we hit 4 or 5 years old and doesn’t let up until we breathe our last breath.
PK, if you vant to be ah-lone like Marlene Dietrich you are free to decamp the comment section of this blog and return to Brietbart or the Daily Stormer.
There you can vomit your anti-Black BS all over their comments section to the hearty applause of those vacuous bigots.
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