Kamala Harris being hugged by her husband after finding out she will be vice president, November 7th 2020.
Biden wins! On a Saturday afternoon, November 7th 2020, after three long days of counting mail-in ballots, Biden at long last has won enough states to become the next US president.
Kamala Harris will be the first woman vice president – 100 years after women got the right to vote. And the first Black woman. She stands a good chance of becoming president some day. Truman, Nixon, Lyndon Johnson, Ford, Bush I, and Biden himself were all vice presidents.
But the US is not out of the woods yet. Trump is still president till January 20th and there is no telling what he might do. He still claims he won the election. He has put up a non-scalable wall round the White House and will not promise a peaceful transfer of power.
Trump’s many lawsuits seem to be going nowhere. So far. He cries fraud but has no facts to back it up. The aim is to get one of his lawsuits up to the Supreme Court where Republicans have a 6-to-3 majority. If they throw out enough votes, Trump wins.
Trump could screw up the Electoral College. Like by getting Republican state lawmakers to send in their own slate of electors. Or somehow delaying electoral votes. That would likely throw the election to the House of Representatives, where each state would get one vote. There are more red states than blue states. Trump wins again.
Right-wing terrorists (known as “militias” by the White Liberal press) are also a wild card. They have already tried to kidnap and execute a governor! Trump has already told the Proud Boys to “stand by”. They could either amount to nothing – or dog the US for years or decades to come. In the short term, that will largely depend on Donald Trump.
If Trump gives a concession speech that will be huge. It is one of those Norms of Democracy that people in the US took for granted in the days before Trump. It is not required by the Constitution. If necessary, Trump can be removed from the White House after 12 noon on January 20th by the Secret Service as a trespasser. But if he concedes, then most of his 70 million supporters will accept the outcome of the election.
After Trump comes Mitch McConnell. He is the Senate Majority Leader. If Republicans keep control of the Senate, McConnell remains in charge. McConnell could block all federal judges and Supreme Court justices Biden might name, and even Biden’s picks for his own cabinet. He can block all his legislation. Biden, as an old-school senator, is used to compromise. McConnell is used to obstruction. Biden is also a Wall Street lackey. Therefore, most likely Biden will in effect become a moderate Republican – unless he faces huge protests from the left.
And MAGA Land is going nowhere. Their threats of emigration are probably overblown. And Trump will still be out there whipping them up. Or someone like him. His defeat in 2020 was not enough to discredit Trump or Trumpism.
– Abagond, 2020.
See also:
- Immediate reactions to other election victories:
- 2008: Obama wins!!!
- 2016: The Trump Era
- US Election Day 2020
- predictions:
- the next few months: Predictions for the 2020 US election
- the next 100 years: The future of race in the US
- Donald Trump
- Mitch McConnel
- Joe Biden
- Kamala Harris
- electoral college
- White Liberals
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This is no victory, really. Just a polite, even more pernicious version of what’s been going on since 1492.
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He hasn’t won, but is only projected to win and be elected, according to the polls. On December 14th, according to the official, legal procedure, the Electoral College will meet to cast their electoral votes and choose the president who will be inaugurated on January 20th. Then there’s the Supreme Court, that could force a recount of legal votes, especially seeing the Democrat swing states conducting malevolent behavior such as blocking the windows of the ballot counting, not allowing certain poll watchers approaching from a certain distance (I guess poll watchers need binoculars now), and and hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots with the vast majority being for Biden being counted into the official polls at 5AM with no poll watchers present – definitely not sus guys! Just move along! No investigation needed! No court case needed! Move along boys! The Democrats think people are honestly stupid, and think they can somehow refute the clear videos of their nefarious behaviour with their “fact-checkers” which don’t even refute what they claim to be disproving and have essentially turned into leftist apologist blogs. So much for neutrality and fairness. Neutrality and fairness are a virtue in our time. Nobody is above the law, not the leftists, not the conservatives, not Biden, and not Trump – evidence and the truth shall triumph above all else. Period.
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A sober assessment of the facts.
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“And MAGA Land is going nowhere. Their threats of emigration are probably overblown.”
Where are they threatening to go? Not Canada, right?
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“And MAGA Land is going nowhere. Their threats of emigration are probably overblown.”
Where are they threatening to go? Not Canada, right?
Something to think about. If you add family members to Trumpsters they would number around 145 million people. The same population size of Russia.
So they won’t go anywhere since their community size would make them the ninth largest country in the world.
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The election of Biden is only step 1.
The U.S. is like a patient that was bleeding to death. Biden is merely the applied tourniquet, but the patient still needs treatment. The patient still needs a blood transfusion. This transfusion is the enormous task of winning the two Senate seats in Georgia, or else a Republican-led Senate can paralyze another Democratic presidency …and Mitch McConnell will be a de facto co-President.
After we recover from the heady gin of Biden’s election, progressives have to focus laser-like on Georgia: anything less than a sweep is a loss.
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We need the two run off Senate Seats in Georgia. Then McConnell will no longer be Senate Leader and Biden can get things done.
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Trumpism is not gone it will just morph into something more insidious.
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I hope the new administration remembers the Native American population in Arizona that helped them to victory.
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This is all a scripted reality. This is far from over. Biden is the projected winner. Trump will sue and claim voter fraud. The court might overturn the election and claim Trump as the winner. They’ll be riots in the streets. They will lockdown the entire country. If people disobey there will be martial law. They will try to round up people and put them in quarantine camps. You don’t think so? Watch the film Contagion from 2011. It shows the whole plan. It’s called predictive programming. I could be wrong. But if you watch the film you’ll see it looks like we’re headed that way. If that happens they can usher in the New World order. It’s called order out of chaos. We’re living in scary times my friends. Be prepared and protect yourself. God bless 🙏🏾
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This is a fitting end to Trumps campaign. lol
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/i-saw-donald-trump-s-presidency-come-crashing-down-at-four-seasons-total-landscaping-b1699962.html
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Also Black women are the backbone of the Democratic Party. Black women helped Biden-Harris secure this victory. Black women who are the most disrespected and ignored in American society helped save our democracy. Black women get things done.
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A perfect storm of discontent helped Trump to become president and I don’t think a Biden presidency automatically implies that the underlying issues will be addressed. In fact, people like John Kasich are already encouraging Biden to marginalize democrats deemed “too progressive”, such as AOC.
Having been made irrelevant in the GOP by Trumpism some republicans will be trying to colonize the democratic party to shift it further right. So Biden will be pulled from both directions and I think his natural inclination is to be willing to defer to republicans
We probably have to look a little back into history to contextualize our time. I wasn’t in the mood to say too much so, seeking economy of expression, I started out with a list … and it became something else.
Fractious election: G.W is chief.
Umpteens dead: September of grief.
Calls for blood: Invasions galore.
Killings abroad: Economy’s poor.
Elections anew: Obama contends.
Relief arrives: for Wall Street friends!
Yells for Change: Let’s “Occupy” them!
‘Twas put down: Mayor’s one of ’em.
So we arrive at a point of inflection,
A female vies for presidential election.
Forget that she’s an iffy selection,
Entangled in probes, corrupt perception,
And status quo in a State of insurrection…
Trump wins! “Russia sins!”
Up goes, people’s woes.
Reign’s done, Biden’s won.
Eh shart, back at the start !?
That sums up how I feel having experienced all those things.
Loud “solutions” such as a black president, a female president, a blatantly racist president are all distractions which differ only in whom they appeal to. In the end, they all give tax cuts and bailouts to those who really pay them while some Americans get mad and look for someone powerless to scapegoat for it all.
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Anyway, Trump being forced out of the presidency after one term is a net positive and I hope that the right lessons will be learned from this era.
As Mary stated, the dem. party can’t afford to take votes for granted. If it doesn’t find a way to start delivering for the people doing the voting, who knows what 2024 will bring.
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I noticed in the news today that Biden and his group are already meeting, organizing and deciding their first steps of their administration.
Is this right? Are they not supposed to wait for the clearance of the legal challenges advanced by Trump and even in the case they win, to wait until inauguration day in January 2021?
Why the hurry?
Because Covid-9 can’t wait? Hardly. This problem will take time to be dealt with, anyway. I don’t understand all this hurry.
Proceeding in this way, their opponents will claim that they are “going too thirsty to the pot” and it will appear that they behave like Trump in reverse (Trump is being too “calm” to move, in the probably last days of his presidency)
P.S.:
In our corner of the world some intellectuals continue to make some fun of the USA. “They are like us, here in Africa. Elections are heavily contested and a President is refusing to let the Presidency… and the supposed winners are eager to take the seat of Presidency. Too African-like processes…”
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@munubantu
I’m not sure Biden is doing anything too out of the ordinary here (of course, the pandemic itself is unusual). The new president will be inaugurated in January but the country must continue to be governed in the interim and the new administration is expected to “hit the ground running”. The outgoing administration is usually facilitating the transition at this time.
As reported in this Fox news article, Obama was already meeting with Trump to discuss the transition on November 10, 2016, after Hilary Clinton conceded.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-trump-meet-at-white-house-discuss-transition-of-power
What’s different is that Trump hasn’t conceded and we don’t know if/when he will. Yeah, that’s very “tinpot dictator” in style.
Also relevant is the Presidential Transition Act:
https://presidentialtransition.org/publications/presidential-transition-act-summary/
So, by law, the president-elect starts getting treated like the president in some ways as soon after the election as possible. He or she already starts getting national security briefings.
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If I remember correctly, in another contested election, George W. Bush started his transition team while the vote recounts were still on-going.
The big difference then was neither candidate — Bush or Gore — was an incumbent president refusing to leave the White House.
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@ Munubantu
Here is a link to an interview with the director of a nonpartisan organization that supports policies to enable a smooth presidential transition:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/politics/trump-biden-transition-of-power-delay/index.html
Among his major points:
⚬The federal government is too large and complex for candidates to wait until after Election Day to start planning for their potential transition.
⚬The law allows a certain amount of governmental support for transition planning much earlier, right after the summer conventions where the Republicans and Democrats choose their presidential candidates.
⚬Nothing would be harmed if Trump’s administration cooperates now with Biden’s transition team but then overturns the election results in court. It’s in the best interests of the nation that both Biden and Trump be as ready as possible before January, no matter which one does end up as president.
⚬Delays in transition planning can be detrimental to national security (and in fact are believed to have contributed to 9/11).
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@ Solitaire
Thanks.
I hope that the USA citizens will be able to overcome these difficult moments as smoothly as possible.
I never thought the day would come I could say “I pray for America”.
There are real dangers appearing at the horizon.
The current POTUS is making changes at the top of the military and no one knows for sure for what. I hope he only wants to settle some scores with some individuals, and doesn’t intend to make use of the military as a whole like a personal tool for whatever sinister purpose. I hope.
People oft say that societies become stable as they develop strong institutions. This is something that we in the developing world think is the missing element in our societies. But the current events in the USA show that appropriate attitudes from top individuals help to foster and maintain that stability. And when this changes, a society can be on the verge of collapsing. Ask the Argentinians, who at the first half of the XXth century enjoyed a first world status, but in the second half went through military dictatorships that contributed to a general deterioration of their social and economic situation during and after that.
Be on the watch…
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@ Munubantu
Yes, this is a very uncertain time. Rather like when a spouse who’s being abused finally takes steps to leave, that is the most dangerous moment when the risk of being killed is highest. The USA is trying to kick Trump out of the house, but we can’t have him evicted until January. We need a restraining order, but the judge refuses to issue it (i.e., high-ranking Republicans are refusing to take steps to calm Trump down and convince him to concede). We have to be very vigilant until he no longer has any power.
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dear old abagond:
5 days and for your post on perhaps the most important (and controversial) event in 4 years and you can only come up with 20 comments.
No mention of the details of the allegations of election fraud being made.. and why would you have any? They are completely ignored by the MSM, just like the hard evidence of Biden treason and incest was. It’s like living in an alternate reality.
There are many different fraud claims, so they can get confusing, but the dead people voting thing is more of a distraction, though it shows intent. There are serious claims that the election systems were hacked or compromised to change and delete votes.
Here’s something recent from Giuliani explaining:
There are also a ton of people claiming they saw outrageous fraud in the key liberal swing state strongholds that happened to stop voting late on the night of Nov. 3, and then suddenly the vote totals started going massively up for Biden.
There were actually a lot of indicators of fraud in the numbers (numbers of Biden votes in mail in ballots that should be randomized by coming in from all over the state rise seemingly magically in computerlike stages late at night on the 3rd when it was clear Trump was winning, 90%+ turnout in Wisc. when 60-75% would be expected and was observed in other key states, hundreds of thousands of ballots blank except for a Biden vote). It’s too much for me to address well in 1 post.
Here’s what 1 guy found:
https://www.pscp.tv/va_shiva/1BdGYYjgkgQGX
I don’t know how things will turn out. We’ll see what the recounts/audits find and what the courts rule. Trump needs to get Pennsylvania (which seems very likely based on all the claims) and probably 2 of Georgia, MI, WI, AZ or NV (other states like Virginia could also potentially come into play)
I do know that, whatever happens, at least half the country will never believe that Biden won legitimately (and more may join that number when they review all the crazy data from that night).
Fox news viewership has collapsed after they called AZ for Biden before polls closed (in what is looking like it will be one of the closest races in the country) and they cut away from the President’s rep saying it was lies (it’s not their job to do that).
There are many on the far right who are excited about the prospect of Biden stealing the election and Trump becoming a martyr (more than of a Trump victory in some cases), because they see it as a way to wake more “normies” up to the fact that real change within the current system is impossible.
I’m not sure what the next few weeks will bring, but if you’re in a big city, you might want to stock up on basic supplies.
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This is what fraud looks like:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1325592112428163072.html
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Biff!
You were missing for like a week! Were you off counting ballots (or at least supervising the counts) as I suggested in another thread? If not, you should have been or some people might say you really let your country down.
Hey, did you hear that George Soros’ best friend is on the board of Dominion? A company that makes voting software also makes major hospital record keeping systems? Rigging elections may only be the start. What if the COVID numbers are fake? Someone could be hiring actors to go on MSM pretending to have dead family members and everything!
Republicans should start electing smarter people and getting them into positions of power. Trump was warning about all this for months and couldn’t even convince his own administration to put the fraudsters in jail. Even his Fox News buddies wouldn’t talk about all the evidence. Haven’t they learned that you have to reveal all that evidence to the public in order to force Mitch McConnell to form investigative committees so we can finally have fair elections?
Hey, I wonder, are Trump supporters kicking themselves for not figuring out how to get their dead relatives to vote?
Or wait… maybe there was widespread fraud perpetrated by the very fine people on both sides and that’s why Trump managed to even make it a close race. One of my neighbors is applauding the 102% voter turnout… Our area sure has a lot of Republicans… Hmmm….
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OMO:
Thanks for your advice. I voted. I don’t have a family situation that allows me to take significant time off to count votes at this time, but I appreciate your genuine concern for that.
Yes, Soros is evil and trying to change the US for the worse. Yes, Covid was definitely used, at least by the MSM, to try to get Trump out of office. Most people in the US are ready to move on from the lockdowns. Why do big city leaders try to scare people about rising case numbers, and get them to give up Thanksgiving and Christmas, in addition to never going to church, which violates their most fundamental right of assembly and worship, when the death rate has been collapsing? https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/
Re: getting people in jail, that’s the thing, who whole system is hopelessly corrupt. When you hear a whistleblower harassed by FBI officials, who are trying to get him to recant his statement, rather than investigating the fraud it uncovers, it helps you realize that.
Of course “turnout’ needed to be artificially increased in Republican districts to wipe out Trump’s advantage. If you watch the second video in my first e-mail, you’d see that it appears votes are switched more in redder districts to cover the fraud.
Anyway, as I said, I don’t know if Trump hangs onto the presidency, because the media is desperately trying to hide the evidence.. dismissing it out of hand. They don’t have experts from Harvard/MIT, etc. going through all the evidence (not just one set) and all the red flags caused by the data and saying they believe it was all legitimate… why not?
Here is what people with numbers’ experience have actually said about all the red flags raised:
https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/
Once enough people realize their vote doesn’t even matter because everything is rigged by the deep state the system completely loses its legitimacy.
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@ Biff
Dude. This is what your own link at the L.A. Times currently says:
“Death tallies are expected to grow. The state has averaged 38.4 daily deaths over the last week. When case counts increase, the death toll typically rises soon after.”
National death rates have in fact started to climb back up into the four digits. Hospitalization numbers are breaking records.
“get them to give up Thanksgiving and Christmas”
Did you not see what happened in Canada after their Thanksgiving Day in October?
Or that in the USA we already have massive proof that gatherings of extended family have fueled numerous outbreaks?
No one is asking you to “give up” Thanksgiving and Christmas, just to scale back on the family gatherings. Is it so hard to celebrate with just your nuclear family?
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@Biff
“I don’t have a family situation that allows me to take significant time off to count votes at this time,”
“Once enough people realize their vote doesn’t even matter because everything is rigged by the deep state the system completely loses its legitimacy.”
Two thoughts…
A. It’s weird that you believe Democrats have the time to participate in democracy more than Republicans do. Your own situation aside, If you believe the vote is illegitimate, then you believe that more half the citizenry is Republican (It’s just under half the citizens even if you did believe the vote). All those folks couldn’t have been too busy right? Couldn’t they have have stepped up to be involved? To believe that massive fraud occurred, to the tune of at least hundreds of thousands of votes is to accept that Republicans allowed it to happen right under their noses, despite Trump’s warnings. It also assumes that cheating was relatively easy but, only Biden supporters cheated.
B. Is it possible, to the extent there is any sort of “deep state”, that it is the wealthy pulling strings for their own benefit? After all, both candidates are beneficiaries of that. Maybe a bi-partisan deep state wanted a Biden presidency and a Republican majority Senate. A stagnant government supports the status quo and why would anyone getting rich off me want to change the status quo?
Now, I will offer a detail you may not have considered… not to change your mind (as you’ve previously questioned my honesty) … just to offer you some personal insight if you choose to believe it. Republican-leaning middle-class suburbanites all send their kids to college. College kids lean left and love rallies but, don’t typically show up to the polls in significant numbers. Purely anecdotal information here but, several college kids in my area came home to vote or voted absentee according to the parents I’ve spoken with. Likely presenting as Democratic votes in traditionally Republican areas.
In fact, I think that’s Trump’s true legacy. He campaigned on draining the swamp and what he really did was energize an entire generation of “lazy kids who were raised by the internet” to become engaged in politics. Long term… that might actually drain the swamp. An 18-year old kid in Michigan got elected to his local school board. How cool is that?
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“Why do big city leaders try to scare people about rising case numbers”
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https://dailyyonder.com/new-cases-put-80-of-rural-counties-in-the-red-zone/2020/11/10/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/coronavirus-midwest/2020/11/12/90508b72-250f-11eb-952e-0c475972cfc0_story.html
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We will have to agree to disagree about the lockdowns. The lockdowns hurt everyone, especially young people (I have a kid who has been severely depressed as a result of them and have also seen my own health suffer), while only really protecting the very old and infirm.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8942667/School-closures-cut-lifespan-average-child-THREE-MONTHS.html
The old and sick should be the first to get the vaccine that has been developed, tested and approved, which was confirmed internally in late October, but mysteriously didn’t announce until right after the election was finished. Anti-Trump FDA colluding with Pfizer. Yes, the fix is in…
Apparently, Georgia’s RINO governor and SOS were on the grift from Dominion and in on the fraud, so they are making the recount/audit into a joke (not even checking signatures).
Congrats, guys. There’s no point in voting after this. Just sit back and let the Globalists/Wall Street/ and Big Business continue to plunder the economy. I’m sure this will work out real well for you and your families.
Serious question, if there was solid evidence out there that fraud had been used to manipulate the election and that it gave Biden the win would you guys even care?
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@ Biff
“I have a kid who has been severely depressed as a result of them and have also seen my own health suffer”
Are you familiar with cognitive behavioral therapy? It can be very effective for situational depression.
“the vaccine that has been developed, tested and approved”
Wrong. The press release announced interim results of an ongoing trial. That means testing is not complete. The FDA has not yet approved the vaccine for emergency use, although that may happen soon. It needs to be stored at -70° Celsius, which requires special equipment that very few health care facilities currently have, so the logistics of distribution will be a major hurdle.
“Congrats, guys. There’s no point in voting after this. Just sit back”
I’m sure you would love for us to stop voting. If you can’t convince us to change who we vote for, persuade us to sit it out. Either way it’s a win for your team.
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@Biff
“Serious question, if there was solid evidence out there that fraud had been used to manipulate the election and that it gave Biden the win would you guys even care?”
That’s two questions:
First – Yes, I would care, and I absolutely believe we have an imperfect system. So, I’m OK with improving the system in terms of increasing accuracy. I’m not OK with “improvements” that limit our ability to vote. However, in spite of it being imperfect, accepting that there was very likely individual “fraud” or deliberate cheating that likely occurs in every election. But, I do not currently believe there was any wide-scale conspiracy involving hundreds of counties or millions of voters, etc… 300-3000 incorrect votes in either direction is what I believe. Any state within that margin should go over their result with a fine toothed comb.
Second – If the fraud was perpetrated in Biden’s favor, and not in Trump’s, ultimately costing him the election, I would be more disappointed in my fellow Americans than I am now. But, the country is changing and it changes slowly by design. Then, I’m more moderate than most here and this election wasn’t about conservative vs liberal for me. For me, it was as you say… orange man bad. It’s difficult to shoot down remarks from my racist uncle at Thanksgiving when he’s just parroting the president.
Democracy is important to me and I would be just as upset about democratic manipulation on a national scale as I am at Trump’s self-centered disregard for the future of the United States and the well-being of my fellow citizens. So far, I have seen nothing to indicate he’s fighting the good fight. It seems like he’s going scorched Earth on our democratic systems and we’re damned lucky the incoming administration consists of two people with a wealth of experience at the federal level to be able to go from zero to functioning government on day 1.
Serious question for you now. If he leaves office, avoids New York prosecution by running to Russia and builds a giant real-estate development in North Korea, will you begin to accept that he never had your interests at heart?
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Serious question, if there was solid evidence out there that fraud had been used to manipulate the election and that it gave Biden the win would you guys even care?
Of, course, I would care.
Here is the problem…
An old story… in an African village…
A man, member of the small community, a respected hard-working person, always getting off bed very early and going to work in the farm or in the bush.
But one day he came earlier, screaming, “lion, lion… it’s coming… let’s flee”.
Everybody left their homes and fled.
After an hour, no lion in sight. They all returned.
A few days later a similar episode took place. “Lion, lion”, the villagers fled. The lion never came. And they returned.
People began to wonder what was going on.
“Are you serious pal? Have you even saw the King of the Beasts?”
A few weeks later again the man came running and crying, “flee everybody, it’s coming, the lion…”
Nobody moved. They looked him in the eyes. “Are you crazy? Lately you are behaving like a child. Let us in peace. We have got things to do. Grown-up things.”
But then, the roaring became audible… for everybody to hear! The lion was approaching… People tried their best to flee. For some it was too late! A few got killed.
Moral of the story. The man played 2 times, lying to his fellow villagers about a lion coming, when there was none. He lost his credibility. When a serious event was coming nobody took him seriously.
This is a tale of America today. A would be king, leading the society for a few years, took the road of lying “with gusto” many times, almost everyday. He described his method as “faking the truth” until no one could tell truth and falsehood apart.
Now, nobody believes him. Except the dedicated followers. Outside of the country is even worse.
“Hydrochloroquine, injecting light, disinfectants… it will go away quickly… blah, blah, blah”
How can someone believes that the elections were rigged based on his words? Impossible. He lost his credibility long time ago.
But the due process is already under way running, reviewing whole electoral process, so there is hope that if he is telling the truth, that will arise, one way or another.
But in the meantime, accept that most people have every right to be skeptical.
P.S.:
A serious question that I have been asking myself related to the monitoring of elections. In my own country a few years ago. The opposition (of the governing party) cried “rigged, rigged”. In all electoral tables there were individuals of the main parties looking at the process. Besides international observers. But when the cries of “rigged, stolen elections” began I noticed a singular pattern. The cries were general. No specific mention to specific tables were made.
Now I see the same pattern in the antipodes of world and ask myself how bad examples are easily copied.
Frankly, in my whole life, this is the first time I watch a politician of a first world country behaving like some politicians in the third world. This is not good for America. And its adversaries out there are closely watching…
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Solitaire: There are no more “wins for my team” at the ballot box if they can get overwhelmed by massive fraud, so if this doesn’t get fixed, we may turn to voting for AOC types in primaries to speed up the collapse. And many people may be willing to consider other means.
OMO, please seek out the data. It clearly shows fraud–it’s literally riddled with statistical impossibilities. If the Dominion system could be hacked, changing hundreds of thousands of votes doesn’t take a lot of people to do. Yes, if Trump fled to Russia, I’d be as upset with him as I am at De Gaulle fleeing Viche France.
Munubantu, you’re believing media lies and stuff they put out of context about Trump–and you don’t even know it. There are very specific accusations of fraud being made here by others (not just Trump). I linked to a couple of them, but there are many more. However, if you just look at the first couple pages of google searches or the main media sites you’ll never see any of them, because the media has decided to disappear them.
Anyway, you guys can have your fun (nice to have a pic of the VP instead of the Pres–will be interesting to see when she assumes the throne), and we’ll all see what’s coming I guess.
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“They are completely ignored by the MSM, just like the hard evidence of Biden treason and incest was.”
” Why do big city leaders try to scare people about rising case numbers, and get them to give up Thanksgiving and Christmas, in addition to never going to church, which violates their most fundamental right of assembly and worship, when the death rate has been collapsing? ”
Never mind the death rate, what about the pedophilia rampant in churches, tell us about the auto-da-fés you and your church members have undertaken to cleanse Christianity of this nocive practice?
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@ Biff
“we may turn to voting for AOC types in primaries to speed up the collapse. And many people may be willing to consider other means.”
The collapse of what?
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@Solitaire
“The collapse of what?”
Whiteness.
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@ Open Minded Observer
I don’t think that’s what Biff is talking about. I doubt he wants to see whiteness collapse or would work towards that end. Note the pronouns:
“There are no more ‘wins for my team’ at the ballot box if they can get overwhelmed by massive fraud, so if this doesn’t get fixed, we may turn to voting for AOC types in primaries to speed up the collapse.”
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My bad. I was reading too quickly. You’re right. I change my response to “Society” because maybe he truly believes progressives will destroy America and people like him will be able to ride up from the ashes.
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@ Biff
Is Open Minded Observer correct? Is the answer society?
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So Trump admitted Biden won the election in his sore loser way. He says he will be back in 2024. I hope he and his goons are in prison by then.
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@ Mary,
“So Trump admitted Biden won the election in his sore loser way. He says he will be back in 2024. I hope he and his goons are in prison by then.”
I thought Trump conceded as well but then he sent the below tweet.
“Why does the Fake News Media continuously assume that Joe Biden will ascend to the Presidency, not even allowing our side to show, which we are just getting ready to do, how badly shattered and violated our great Constitution has been in the 2020 Election. It was attacked ….perhaps like never before! From large numbers of Poll Watchers that were thrown out of vote counting rooms in many of our States, to millions of ballots that have been altered by Democrats, only for Democrats, to voting after the Election was over, to using Radical Left
….owned Dominion Voting Systems, turned down by Texas and many others because it was not good or secure, those responsible for the safeguarding of our Constitution cannot allow the Fake results of the 2020 Mail-In Election to stand. The World is watching!”
He’s going to drag this out until he’s kicked out in January. It’s sick and sad.
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While reading yet another business book, I came across these tips for dominating a well defined market niche. As I read the tips, I realized how Trump has used niche marketing techniques to draw an audience to (and make raving fans of) his presidency, The Trump Show.
The book’s author, Mike Michalowicz, summarized his tips with these observations:
The Toilet Paper Entrepreneur by Mike Michalowicz pages 66-67
It is hard for people who are not in Trump’s political niche market to
understand why specific groups willfully ignore Trump’s many negatives (fake billionaire up to his eyeballs in debt, emotional instability and general incompetence among others).
Not only do they ignore his negatives, they adore and defend him against “a common enemy” (or enemies). They do so because he fully understands his base of support. He speaks to them using words, phrases and gestures that appeal just to them. He says aloud, what they think and feel.
They feel they are part of an exclusive club—the Trump Show audience and fan club. “Fan” being short for “fanatic”.
Trump serves his voting niche with policies that allay their White Anxiety over perceived loss of status to Black people. More about White Anxiety here:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-voters-economy-election-2020_n_5fa453ddc5b67c3259ac62f4
When seen through a marketing lens, it is easier to understand why some groups reject objective reality and stick with emotional appeals.
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@ Afrofem
This seems to be the basis for much of the right-wing information space in the US. It is not just Trump: Fox News and preachers do it too. All three depend on audience size. And all three sow distrust of outsiders, of alternative sources of information, of “alternative facts”. That means a huge part of the US, people like biff, are no longer part of “the reality-based community”. Which in turn has made it hard for the US to deal with the pandemic. You get complete ignoramuses who think they know better than doctors or even world-class epidemiologists.
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@ Afrofem
A passing comment on this thought of Mike Michalowicz.
The underlying assumption must be that the “group” you attract is large enough.
If it is a minority, that idea/practice could not lead to a possible win.
Trump had significant chances to win because a significant portion of the White population see the reality the way he tells them. This an inescapable conclusion that American society at large, and other political parties in particular, must contend with, in the future.
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@ biff
Republicans push the idea that voter fraud is common in order to pass voter suppression laws. But in actual fact, voter fraud just is not common enough to tip a presidential election. Republicans have become victims of their own propaganda.
Trump’s best hope of a legitimate victory at this point is finding some sort of bug or hack of the Dominion voting software that many states use.
The reason for the sudden surge in Biden votes is because certain states counted mail-in ballots later than in-person ones. Trump urged his voters to vote in person on Election Day. Those were counted first, giving him an early lead that melted away as the mail-in ballots were counted.
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@ biff
If Fox News’s “job” is to be a mindless propaganda outlet for Trump, then yes, they were not doing their job. But if their job is to be a credible news outlet, then it looks like maybe they are starting to grow a backbone.
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@ biff
This is a huge danger. Hopefully, with Trump’s lawsuits falling flat, most people will realize he is just a sore loser.
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@ biff
If the MSM were as evil and biased as you seem to think they are, then why did they declare Trump the winner in 2016?
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Biden and Harris are both just as evil and vile as Trump. Biden with the crime bill that created Mass Incarceration, Harris locking up Black Women over Truancy laws, and even prevented an innocent man from being released from prison even though they had proof that he wasn’t a criminal.
Biden is just as racist as Trump was, wanting schools to remain segregated to keep his white kids from interacting with black children, for one. He and Harris also have plans to allow at least 500,000 Indian immigrants into America.
This is nothing to celebrate.
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@ munubantu
“The underlying assumption must be that the “group” you attract is large enough. If it is a minority, that idea/practice could not lead to a possible win.”
Yours is a logical answer that assumes a perfect world.
In the messy realm of human affairs, a “minority” can win if:
✔︎ they are willing to employ dirty tricks (including the use of targeted violence).
✔︎ create structural barriers to their adversaries winning (e.g. voter suppression laws).
✔︎ engage in unrelenting propaganda that energizes their members while simultaneously demoralizing their opponents.
The Republicans in the USA have done all three and more to “win” even though they are a numerical voting minority in this country. Even when they draw in portions of the Latinx and Asian populations in future elections they still may be a numerical minority.
Energy, organization and perseverance are key to winning. The Repubs have all three.
The only reason Trump was trounced in this election is that record numbers of the US electorate could not stomach another four years of him. It only took a major pandemic and an accompanying economic depression to push them to action.
Mike Michalowicz’s point is that to dominate a narrow niche market, a business owner need not be overly concerned with “large enough”. An energized group of raving fans/followers/customers can be force to be reckoned with even without majority numbers.
To your point though, the Repubs still held their own in the downticket races for the Senate (???) and gained in the House of Representatives.
Celebrated anthropologist, Margaret Mead, once said:
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Trump fires DHS cyber security chief Chris Krebs. So you tell the truth and get fired when you work for Trump. And when you lie and enable his sick narcissism, you get promoted and rewarded.
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Oh Mary… Haven’t you heard? The “truth” is just a deep state plot against the president. 😉
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Hair dye running down Rudy Guiliani’s face. 🤣🤣🤣
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I’m not American, but I would have voted for Bugs Bunny to get that turd out of office. His deleterious effects spread to other countries.
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Did Sidney Powell’s Kraken ever get released? LOL
I noticed Fox & Newsmax “clarifying” that they never had any evidence to support any of the various conspiracies relating to voting machines.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/smartmatic-dominion-voting-systems-software-election/2020/12/19/id/1002355/
Apparently all it took was a sternly-worded letter from Smartmatic’s lawyers to scare them into it.
… and just in case Biff is lurking, before you hit me with Russell Ramsland’s forensic report, read it… all of it… ignore anything subjective or opinions about intent and just read it for facts. Don’t give me 86% error rate without being able to tell me what that error was. Also, while reading it, consider that a hand recount by members of both parties verified the machine-tabulated results of Antrim County were within 11 votes which represents < 0.00073% error. If you apply that error rate to the entire state of Michigan, Trump could hope to see ~4,000 additional votes leaving him 120,000 votes shy of flipping the state.
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@ Afrofem
“The Toilet Paper Entrepreneur by Mike Michalowicz”
Oh, the irony that 2020 brings! A once niche market, now people will buy any toilet paper brand they see whenever they find it!
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Interesting,
“Business as usual” engaged…
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/11/13/headlines/cecilia_munoz_who_defended_family_separations_under_obama_joins_biden_transition_team
Wonder what “The Resistance” is going to say about that appointment…
(I have a hunch)
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So, during the pandemic, President Trump had been pushing hard to have schools reopened for in-person classes. It was widely accepted that there was a strong economic motivation behind this push because Trump wanted the economy to rebound to help his reelection campaign.
Here’s Politico covering that angle:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/08/trump-reopen-schools-353245
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So it’s interesting hearing basically the same concern from one of Biden’s top economic aides, Brian Deese, who’s from BlackRock and will be appointed of the National Economic Council
https://www.fox23.com/news/trending/stimulus-check-update-biden-unveil-plan-1400-payments-unemployment-extension/4KRDKR7SUJEZDMWC7ISLGR45MA/
It’s not surprising, but a reminder that the fundamental priorities of govt will not spontaneously change under Biden. In fact, it was reported some time ago that he promised as much to his rich donors.
https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-nothing-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/
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