On July 23rd 2020, AOC, aka US Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, offered a brilliant analysis of the term “fucking bitch” after being called just that by Congressman Ted Yoho:
I want to be clear that Representative Yoho’s comments were not deeply hurtful or piercing to me, because I have worked a working class job. I have waited tables in restaurants. I have ridden the subway. I have walked the streets in New York City, and this kind of language is not new.
This is not new, and that is the problem. Mr. Yoho was not alone. He was walking shoulder to shoulder with Representative Roger Williams, and that’s when we start to see that this issue is not about one incident. It is cultural. It is a culture of lack of impunity, of accepting of violence and violent language against women, and an entire structure of power that supports that. Because not only have I been spoken to disrespectfully, particularly by members of the Republican Party and elected officials in the Republican Party, not just here, but the President of the United States last year told me to go home to another country, with the implication that I don’t even belong in America. The governor of Florida, Governor DeSantis, before I even was sworn in, called me a “whatever that is”. Dehumanizing language is not new, and what we are seeing is that incidents like these are happening in a pattern. This is a pattern of an attitude towards women and dehumanization of others. …
Now what I am here to say is that this harm that Mr. Yoho levied, it tried to levy against me, was not just an incident directed at me, but when you do that to any woman, what Mr. Yoho did was give permission to other men to do that to his daughters. In using that language in front of the press, he gave permission to use that language against his wife, his daughters, women in his community, and I am here to stand up to say that is not acceptable. I do not care what your views are. It does not matter how much I disagree or how much it incenses me or how much I feel that people are dehumanizing others. I will not do that myself. I will not allow people to change and create hatred in our hearts. …
… I want to thank him for showing the world that you can be a powerful man and accost women. You can have daughters and accost women without remorse. You can be married and accost women. You can take photos and project an image to the world of being a family man and accost women without remorse and with a sense of impunity. It happens every day in this country. It happened here on the steps of our nation’s Capitol. It happens when individuals who hold the highest office in this land admit, admit to hurting women and using this language against all of us.
See also:
- full text, full video.
- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
- what others say about her:
- The N-word
- The C-word
- domestic violence
- bullying
- shame
- riots
- misogyny
- growing up Latino
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Abagond 
Yoho is a disgusting coward.
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Yoho doesn’t respect women and he has a wife and daughters. This is reprehensible conduct from a member of Congress.
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“It is a culture of lack of impunity (sic), of accepting of violence and violent language against women, and an entire structure of power that supports that.”
Lack of impunity doesn’t fit with the rest of of her sentence. She must have meant impunity, because lack of impunity means that what he said isn’t tolerated by society, when the rest of her statement clearly indicates that it is.
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Yoho tried to hide behind his wife and daughters and AOC wouldn’t let him. Good for her. He is just a bully and a coward.
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AOC is nothing but a fucking crybaby cunt, just like the author of this race baiting blog. It’s like they’re meant to be together.
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Lester, are you related to Chester the molester of Hustler magazine?
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White privilege! Had that been a black male member of congress, the media would have been all over it, until he stepped down.
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“ Lord, give me the confidence of a mediocre white man.”
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AOC grew up in privilege, but didn’t achieve much. She was working as a bartender. Then she interviewed to be a puppet for the Justice Democrats, a radical socialist group that may have auditioned thousands so they could get people in congress. She got picked and won! Yes, other politicians get controlled by moneyed interests, but AOC being directly selected and controlled is pretty sick. Also, socialism/communism is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths. It looks like they will win and your boys (and mine) will pay the price. I really wish you could visit Venezuela and see what it’s really like. It’s sad, because sometimes you seem like an intelligent man, Abagond, but you can’t see that as the country moves farther and farther left that things are getting “progressively” worse for almost everyone (save, ironically enough, for the very rich elites)…
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@ biff
The struggle in the US is not between left and right, but between US oligarchs and Russian oligarchs. The progressive wing of the Democratic Party is not remotely close to gaining power. They cannot even get Medicare For All on the platform – in the middle of a pandemic! The US is teetering at the edge of an abyss, but it is not a socialist one.
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The Democrats can’t even decriminalize pot which would go a long ways towards dialing back the drug war and locking fewer people up.
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Dude, the oligarchs/Gl0bal!sts are on the same team and they’re rooting for whoever is controlling Biden.
Your response to the argument that communists will ruin the country (like they have every other) is just that you don’t think they’ll win this time.. so that’s why you’re supporting them? AOC has been in power less than 2 years, but she (or rather the organization that recruited her and uses her as their puppet) has obviously had an outsized impact. Now all the Dems are saying they support open borders and free health care for people in the country illegally. They can’t campaign on Medicare for all, because even Bernie concedes it could cost 40 TRILLION in the next 10 years.. (if that’s what he says it’s likely much more..) Do the math. That’s over $120K for each man, woman and child in the US.
The people burning our cities and trying to get rid of the police are not right wing extremists, as much as you wish that were the case.
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sorry, i count 2 police/agitator related events in the riots that i’m aware of, cannot link ATM.
Biden is senile, and Trump wants to delay the vote and apparently pompeo is all in with that one
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and f*n b? wow i was at a customer house the other day, a 93 year old african american woman, and wow a movie came on from the 70s about some heavy blow and pimpin and n’s and b’s it was a little wierd
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@ biff
You sound just like Fox News: “open borders”, “free health care for people in the country illegally”, “burning our cities”, “trying to get rid of the police”, “controlling Biden”, AOC as a dangerous radical, etc. It is all fearmongering propaganda, a gross misrepresentation of the Democratic Party designed to whip up low-information Republican voters. It always amazes me when otherwise intelligent people fall for it. It is like part of their brain suddenly stopped working.
In reality, the Democrats are pathetic, centrist wimps who could not even defeat a bozo like Donald Trump. Far from being communist boogeymen, they are Wall Street bootlicks. If they were the dangerous radical lefties you make them out to be, why in the world would capitalist oligarchs back them?
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Ima write something about low income housing even for some of us so called white ppl vis a vis trump’s latest policy statement im just like why cant i even have this and i live in the ‘inner city’
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Abagond, your reference to “low-information Republican voters” is classist and tasteless. When the so-called “high-information” Democratic intellectual elite support communism, despite its demonstrated and repeated failure, then you know “information” of a certain kind doesn’t count for much.
Democrats have a pretty good chance of beating Trump, even with a historically bad candidate whom many are saying shouldn’t even participate in any debates because of his obvious senility.
The oligarchs want to keep getting rich in the short term; they don’t care about the future of the country. Trump threatens the oligarchs short term, so they support Biden and nominally support “Black Lives Matter” to take attention away from class divisions (i.e., the oligarchs corruption and depredations). As you should know, they don’t really care about Black lives at all (they won’t move to “diverse” neighborhoods or send their kids to “diverse” schools–they just want to virtue signal). You will still vote for their puppet…
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@ biff
Do tell.
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Where did Abagond say all Republicans are low-information voters? Or that all Democrats are high-information voters?
How many people have died due to capitalism?
Slavery was a capitalistic institution.
How many Native Americans died so that capitalists could build railroads?
The Great Depression was caused by capitalism, as were the previous depressions and panics.
Right now we are seeing the results of capitalism’s income disparity in the death tolls of the covid-19 pandemic.
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@ biff
Here is my view of the Democrats:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2015/08/05/black-people-the-white-liberal-users-guide/
and the Republicans:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/black-people-the-republican-users-guide/
Nine times out of ten, I wind up voting for “the lesser of two evils”.
Here is why I call Republicans low-information voters:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/the-republican-bubble/
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Abagond, your “Republican bubble” screed is from 2012 and cites a handful of Republican pundits who, despite polls showing Obama’s likely victory, believed Romney could pull of an Electoral College win. OK. I’m sure you threw that out and completely rewrote it when the entire mainstream media predicted a Clinton win (some at like 98-99% likelihood) right before the election in 2016 and Nate Silver got it wrong.. except you didn’t.
You really don’t get it. Even though I don’t like CNN type news and I don’t willingly listen to it, every time I check my e-mail, I get propaganda from MSN or Yahoo (the latter of which recently censored all comments in advance of the election, following MSN’s lead. Every time I want to watch sports or even just see random commercials or check Facebook, I get left wing propaganda. I can’t avoid it. It doesn’t happen in reverse.
You can’t even comprehend that your Republican bubble is something you think you see from inside your leftist bubble, but doesn’t actually exist… People outside of the West don’t believe political correctness at all.. they can see clearly that it’s just tearing the US and Europe apart and not leading to greater unity or happiness.
Funny coincidence how NYC just happens to have hit more shootings 7 months into this year than in all of 2019… and how most of those shot are People of Color. I’m sure it’s because Black Lives Matter. Lesser of two evils.. heh. Hope it’s not one of your boys next time, but if it is it’s on you (and people like you).
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@ biff
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/11/05/hillary-clinton-and-the-news-media/
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@Biff
“ Every time I want to watch sports or even just see random commercials or check Facebook, I get left wing propaganda. ”
That’s gotta be a function of who your friends are and what links you view or something because I literally left Facebook since every time I wanted to see what my old friends or distant family was up to, I got bombarded by right wing propaganda. The feed from my friends was littered with propaganda memes of both left and right, all of which were extreme and blatantly wrong which only served to make me frustrated with how gullible my friends are.
The commercials in the YouTube videos I watch are a mix of propaganda too. It’s all so annoying but, it’s definitely not all left or all right in my world.
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@ Open Minded Observer
I’ve never joined Facebook or Twitter, and I still get right-wing propaganda. I’ve been getting pro-Trump election spam at my Yahoo e-mail address for over 2 years now.
Yesterday I was searching for gagaku (Japanese court music) on YouTube and I got a bunch of recommends for videos about how the mainstream media hates Trump. The connection eludes me.
Off-topic: I don’t know if you remember your comments about Last Man Standing on the Oriana Farrell thread, but you were prescient.
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@ Solitaire, etc
I get pro-Trump stuff all the time, mainly on YouTube, where I watch left-wing news like Democracy Now and Young Turks. I use Twitter but not Facebook. On Twitter the ads are for the Wall Street Journal and financial services, as if I was “rich enough to be Republican” as my father would put it. I even got an ad selling helicopters (and, on YouTube, for vaginal itch).
I watch Fox News about once a week, for maybe 15 or 20 minutes, just to see what they are saying. Biff and a Republican friend of mine sound just like them. It is like they have turned off their brains. It is scary since they seem to be otherwise educated and intelligent. The best and kindest sense I can make of it is that their thinking is tribalistic:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2018/11/02/tribal-epistemology/
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@ Abagond
I’ll see your vaginal itch ad and raise you 20+ years of penile enhancement spam.
The algorithms can’t even figure out gender; who would rationally expect them to accurately assess political leaning?
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Eh.. so there may be pro and anti-Trump political ads, but in terms of media control it’s not even close. Was waiting in a medical office recently and watched PBS–over an hour of constant anti-Trump drivel. And that’s taxpayer funded, supposedly “public” television. They never did that for Obama. Fox has some hosts who are anti-Trump. None of the other major networks has any pro-Trump show host that I’m aware of. Twitter, Google and Facebook censor results to remove conservative voices. Yes, you may get some chamber of commerce RINO types (WSJ is usually in this camp) who get into your news feeds, but you’d never know, for instance, that the vast majority of the country favors enforcement of our border and lowering legal immigration numbers to reduce inequality.. Abagond calling me “tribalistic” and saying “Republicans” are in a bubble… so much projection going on he could start a movie theater franchise.
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@ biff
Please name names. Who exactly are these people?
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Chris Wallace, Neil Cavuto, Juan Williams often Brett Baer–Donna Brazille was hired by Fox. Formerly Shepard Smith. Probably others. I don’t actually watch anything on Fox, except Tucker, who is the only guy talking about the big picture issues the country is facing. I cut the cord a while back.
Re: Communism, it’s the vast majority of elite university professors and intellectuals, including those who support(ed) Bernie (an avowed socialist who honeymooned in the USSR and had strong ties to a lot of communist dictators, including in Venezuela). BLM has very strong Marxist/communist ties. AOC Green New Deal is communism under a different name and would blow up what’s left of the economy after the draconian lock downs designed to do the same before the election–other countries (including Europe) aren’t closing their schools, kids are at much less risk from Coronavirus than the Flu and they don’t spread the virus much at all–there are ZERO known instances of kids passing a virus onto a teacher. So it’s really not about “science”. “Science” that ignores the results of all standardized tests in history because the current elite don’t like what the results say about race is something else…
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@ biff
Giving up Fox News except for Tucker Carlson is like giving up sex except for intercourse.
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@ biff
By your logic, Republicans are neo-Nazis and FDR was a communist.
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@ biff
You seem to believe that present attitudes of the high-IQ elite in the USA regarding the Covid-19 pandemic, are driven by falsehoods and political motivations. Given that, I would like to know your position regarding the use of masks in public. Is this justified from a “scientific” point of view?
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@ Abagond
Studies have shown that there are more Democrats than Republicans among college professors, especially in the liberal sciences and on the East Coast, not so much in the STEM fields and in the rest of the nation.
I guess if someone like Biff equates Democrats with Communists, then it follows that those Democratic professors must all be Marxists. Never mind if the largest percentage self-identify as political moderates.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_American_academics
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@ Biff
According to UNESCO, as of August 3, there are 105 nationwide closures of schools due to covid-19, affecting 60.5% of students globally. A number of other countries have only had localized school openings, with hard-hit regions still closed.
The countries who opened their schools back up typically had a markedly lower rate of community transmission than the USA currently does and took far more precautions. Even so, Israel had a big outbreak and closed the schools back down. Hong Kong took stringent measures and yet ended the school session a week early due to a rise in infections:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/07/10/889376184/photos-how-hong-kong-reopened-schools-and-why-it-closed-them-again
Scientists still don’t know whether children can spread the disease easily or not. There haven’t been enough studies done yet.
But this came out recently:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2768952
You might want to actually read the medical journals instead of relying on Tucker Carlson’s opinions.
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Most college profs have views that are very very different from those of the general public. Most view communism at least very sympathetically, even though communists killed many many more people than fascists ever did. Even the teacher’s union in LA is saying they won’t come back to work until the police are defunded (among a host of other demands that have nothing to do with educating kids).
Abagond, you’ll see things continue to get worse in the US as the government moves further and further leftward, but you’ll never make the connection… you’re right though, intercourse is by far the best part of sex.
munubantu, I personally wear a mask in public currently and was advocating mask use when the government was advising that it was unimportant and possibly harmful. However, whether I think masks can be helpful is a separate question from whether a government can mandate everyone to wear masks indefinitely and go further and say, for instance, no more church meetings, while demonstrations/protests for leftist causes are supported.
Bernie supporters or Antifa supporters can “self-identify” as “moderates” all they want.. doesn’t mean the majority of the US would see them that way.
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@ biff
You conflate the Democratic Party with its most left-wing supporters. That is a Fox News talking point, part of their fearmongering to whip up right-wing voters. That you are here repeating it here with a straight face shows that either you are a troll or live in a Republican Bubble. Otherwise you would know the Democratic Party is way messier than that, that corporate donors have far more power than Bernie supporters, much less pinko professors.
As a Bernie supporter I am painfully aware that the Democratic Party is nothing like what you say:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2019/02/11/corporate-and-progressive-democrats/
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@ biff
But right now the government is moving further and further right and things continue to get worse…
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@ Biff
“Most college profs have views that are very very different from those of the general public. Most view communism at least very sympathetically”
Source, please.
“even though communists killed many many more people than fascists ever did.”
Only because Hitler was stopped. His plans were to colonize Eastern Europe and eradicate the Russians and other Slavs. He also intended to eventually get around to genociding “the mongrel” Americans.
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“But right now the government is moving further and further right..”
Ha, Abagond. Ridiculous! If politicians from a generation ago saw what was going on today (gov’t allowing destruction of statues of Lincoln, etc., calls to get rid of police supported by local gov’t, people stopped from going to church and school because of a virus not nearly as deadly as the Spanish flu, making transvestites a sacred class–one party essentially trying to get rid of the 1st and 2nd amendments, etc.) they would be shocked. The level of shock and revulsion would increase the further back you go because we’re moving further and further to the left…
Solitaire, the winners write history. We know this, yet can’t acknowledge it when our country/side is the one blatantly doing it…
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@ Biff
“Solitaire, the winners write history. We know this, yet can’t acknowledge it when our country/side is the one blatantly doing it…”
This isn’t a source.
Is it about Hitler? Communism? Professors?
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@ Biff
“a virus not nearly as deadly as the Spanish flu”
And you know this how?
During the initial outbreak in early 1918, about 75,000 Americans died of the influenza during the first six months. The death toll for covid-19 for the first six months is double that.
The first wave in 1918 mostly affected the elderly. It wasn’t until the second wave that it began to kill younger people in great numbers. The third wave in 1919 was not quite as deadly but still much worse than the first wave. The total death count of the 1918 influenza actually covers 1918 to 1920.
We are barely into this pandemic. Certainly one hopes that it doesn’t evolve the way the 1918 influenza did. But no one knows what it will do.
You also have to consider how many of the fatalities then could have been prevented with modern medicine. They didn’t have ventilators, antibiotics to treat secondary pneumonia, n95 respirators, etc.
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“…gov’t allowing destruction of statues of Lincoln…”
Playing fast and loose with the facts again, huh. LOL!
No one has suggested “destroying” statues of Lincoln aka “The Great Emancipator” (though he had to be pushed into freeing Africans being held against their will and forced to work for free).
“…people stopped from going to church and school because of a virus…”
The same precautions of closing churches, schools, theaters and bars were taken during the 1918 pandemic. Shutting down public places is standard procedure during epidemics and pandemics.
“…making transvestites a sacred class…” Transsexuals and transvestives are two different sexual minoritity groups that don’t necessarily overlap. If transsexuals were such a “sacred class” why are they being assaulted and murdered at rates higher than the general population?
“…we’re moving further and further to the left…” If the USA were moving further and further to the left:
◎ our government would have handled the COVID-19 pandemic the same way New Zealand did—–rapid and extensive testing, paying people to stay home, covering all costs for businesses and funding hazard pay for essential workers.
◎ the USA would have universal healthcare and a fully equipped hospital in every county.
◎ the US public education system would be fully funded from kindergarten to to post-graduate—-and tuition free.
◎ the government would initiate massive public works projects to upgrade:
✔︎ the electrical grid (including burying all power lines)
✔︎ rebuild sanitary and water delivery systems
✔︎ build or repair roads and bridges
✔︎ build high quality public housing that people could own (not rent)
◎ the USA would have high-speed bullet trains that criss-cross the country.
◎ every US city, town and county would have high-speed internet like they do in Korea, Japan, Romania and Bulgaria.
◎ all national parks would be fully funded and free to the public (no entry fees).
In reality, the USA has moved so far to the right that the Dems are to the right of Eisenhower and the Repubs are open fascists.
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@ Afrofem
Thank you.
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@ Afrofem
Excellent points.
We also wouldn’t have the worst income inequality and wealth inequality in over a hundred years between the top 1% and the rest of the nation.
We would have strong unions, high union membership, national living wage legislation, increased workplace protections, enhanced labor standards for things like overtime and family leave, and so on.
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School shutdowns didn’t only happen during the 1918 pandemic. On a local level, school (and factory) shutdowns were a common public health response to outbreaks of illness during the 1800s.
This strategy continued until at least the 1930s for polio:
https://ed.stanford.edu/news/unprecedented-school-closures-not-entirely
One interesting note from that article is Chicago education officials used radio and newspapers for long-distance learning during the school closure.
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@Afrofem
“In reality, the USA has moved so far to the right that the Dems are to the right of Eisenhower and the Repubs are open fascists.”
Pithy summary! The protests – even the violence – are the result of the unresponsiveness of a political class that has become completely out of sync with much of the population. But if you watch too much Faux News, you’ll think the government is leftist even with Trump as president, lol.
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@ Solitaire
We would have strong unions, high union membership, national living wage legislation, increased workplace protections, enhanced labor standards for things like overtime and family leave…”
Agreed.
Before I began my political education, I wondered why there was such rancor toward unions. In the USA, there has been (and continues to be) pervasive anti-union propaganda in the media, relentless union busting on the part of business and legislative roadblocks for union organizing. In Global South countries, union organizers are subject to death threats, beatings and murder. In the USA, they are mocked and fired from their jobs.
It took me a while to realize unions are hated by the top ten percent of the population because they act as a counterweight to the power of the wealthiest individuals, families and corporations. Unions give working people a voice and an organized way of opposing policies that hurt working people while favoring a tiny minority of business owners.
That being said, I recognize unions as human constructs and therefore imperfect. They can be used by unscrupulous power seekers and the greedy to increase their own influence and line their pockets.
When I lived in Cleveland, I dated an avid and active Teamster member. I attended a variety of union functions with him, from cookouts to polka parties. At every function, I could always spot the union rep. The rep was always in well tailored suits, had a tan in the dead of winter (they usually had winter homes in Florida) and perfect teeth.
The Teamster I dated even filed (and won) a lawsuit against the union for anti-democratic practices relating to his shop (workplace). Even so, he still participated in the Teamsters through his Black Teamsters caucus, his shop and through networking with Teamsters of other ethnicities.
Through that Teamster and later reading, I learned that unions provide a way for ordinary wage earners to look out for their own interests and exercise power in the society. I think of unions as precursors to the essential services and amenities that every citizen is due in a healthy, functioning society.
They either lead or are involved in the push for higher wages, workplace safety regulations, healthcare, education and transportation issues.
Without unions, we are left with a great mass of powerless individuals and the failed state the USA has become.
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@ Afrofem
“I think of unions as precursors to the essential services and amenities that every citizen is due in a healthy, functioning society.”
As I read this, I thought to myself that unions wouldn’t be necessary in nations where the government actually values the average citizen and passes the necessary legislation. I tend to think of the Nordic countries as having about the best level of “the essential services and amenities that every citizen is due in a healthy, functioning society.”
So I googled it. Surprise, surprise:
https://nordics.info/show/artikel/trade-unions-in-the-nordic-region/
Another source puts Iceland’s membership even higher:
https://www.statista.com/chart/9919/the-state-of-the-unions/
It appears that strong and vital unions are still a key component in maintaining the Nordic countries’ emphasis on the general welfare of the citizenry.
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@ Solitaire
Thanks for those links!
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Eh.. someone from a couple generations ago or further back magically transported to this point in time would not be thinking how far to the RIGHT society or government has moved.. That’s ridiculous. There’s no point in debating that really. They’d be shocked by gay marriage openly celebrated and transvestites (I’m afraid the more commonly used word then and now might be banned here) lauded, to see a Republican president saying you’ll always have a gov’t healthcare option and pre-existing conditions will always be covered, to see all Dem candidates saying we should have an open border with free healthcare for illegals, to see protesters burning Bibles in Portland with barely a peep from the media, etc. (hint to Abagond, that’s how you know the side you’re on is not of God, if the 22.5 million black babies murdered didn’t do it for you…). CA doesn’t have bullet trains, but that’s not because they aren’t far left, just that as you get further and further to the left with more “diversity”, corruption increases and those kinds of projects become less and less feasible. Japan isn’t a leftist society or diverse. It’s fundamentally conservative. And they have the best trains.
However, there is perhaps some confusion, as the parties have changed a lot recently. The rank and file membership of labor unions is now overwhelmingly Republican. The globalists are heavily Democrat–with some chamber of commerce RINO types, but they definitely don’t support Trump’s American first agenda. Republicans are now the party of the middle class. Dems are the party of the oligarchs trying to control non-whites with talk of diversity, while actually lowering equality. Look at the history books and heavy immigration is heavily associated with times of high inequality. In the past, we’d pause with immigration till things got more equal, but now the globalists just say it’s “racist” to stop immigration, legal or illegal, and they get all the cheap labor they could want. AND YOU SUPPORT THEM!
The US had less than 1/3 of the current population in 1918. It would take 2M plus deaths to be in the same ballpark as the Spanish Flu. We’re far from a 10th of that and the numbers are going way down nationally and a vaccine is said to be coming soon. During the Spanish flu there was talk about specific cities shutting down churches for as long as a month… It’s now 5 months and counting for much of the US. It’s really no contest.
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“There’s no point in debating that really….all Dem candidates saying we should have an open border with free healthcare for illegals… if the 22.5 million black babies murdered…as you get further and further to the left with more “diversity”, corruption increases…Republicans are now the party of the middle class…the numbers are going way down nationally and a vaccine is said to be coming soon….”
What is this? Stream of consciousness rightwing “bubble talk? A collection of talking points you think are relevant to Black folk? All of your talking points have been refuted numerous times.
It is telling that you talk at the commenters and the lurkers, but refuse to talk with us. You spout lots of commentary and opinion, with no facts and no sharing of information sources. Hmm.
I wonder if you bother to do any independent reading, researching or (heaven forbid) thinking? Or is it just too warm and cozy floating around in right wing amniotic fluid?
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@ Biff
So you believe women shouldn’t wear pants, only skirts?
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@ Biff
“During the Spanish flu there was talk about specific cities shutting down churches for as long as a month… It’s now 5 months and counting for much of the US.”
If they had shut the churches down for longer in 1918, their death toll would have been lower. There is clear evidence that cities which lockdowned back then had much lower rates of infection and death, and were able to get the influenza under control before they opened back up.
Were you also one of those people back in March who argued that Covid-19 was no worse than the seasonal flu? That’s been proven false in just a few months. I didn’t say that Covid-19 was worse than the 1918 influenza. What I said is, at this stage, you can’t possibly know it isn’t. Do you not understand the implications of the word “novel” in biomedical use?
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@ biff
The worst of the Spanish flu came in the autumn and winter, and we have yet to go through that. In August 1918 the numbers were going way down, but the worst was yet to come.
Hopefully, but we do not yet know when or how good or how available it will be. The US could screw up that one too.
HOPING that it will be less than 2 million is not PROOF that it will be.
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@ biff
This is Republican propaganda. Most mainstream Democrats are for immigration control, they are just not for the draconian sort Trump is for. Being for DACA and against a border wall, for example, hardly means you are for “open borders”. Obama was for DACA and seems to be against a wall, and yet deported millions, including a relative of mine. Last I checked, Obama still held the record on deportations.
The two parties are WAY more alike than their messaging would lead you to believe.
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@ biff
Why is it that these religious types who are so against abortion and gay marriage are often the very same people who are cool with police brutality, flying a Confederate flag and having statues of White men who fought for slavery? And, “a couple generations ago or further back”, actually supported Jim Crow and slavery?
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@ biff
Since the 1970s BOTH parties have moved markedly to the right. Democrats have become Reagan Republicans and Republicans have become Banana Republicans.
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@ Abagond
“Banana Republicans”
So very appropriate. LOL!
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“Obama was for DACA and seems to be against a wall, and yet deported millions, including a relative of mine. Last I checked, Obama still held the record on deportations.”
Oh yeah! Immigrant advocacy groups nicknamed Obama the “Deporter In Chief”. Obama and the corporate Dems are not supporters of open borders and reasonable paths to citizenship.
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interesting how the topic is the term “f–king b–h”
I am a african american male from a lowering income background and
when US Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said ” because I have worked a working class job. I have waited tables in restaurants. I have ridden the subway. I have walked the streets in New York City, and this kind of language is not new.”
She is completely correct and most ll f us know this.
I not only regularly witness this but have been a perpetrator of it myself
its the culture we all share
but then I begin to observe and analyze it
like how I observed a young african american female be assulted by a young african american male on a public street corner
and afterwards in her apparent grief and shame
she repeatedly yelled “b–h”
and interestingly not “n—” or motherf—ker” or any of slur word just that one
or how I observe both male and female members of the media use this slur and even in the title of articles in newspapers and magazines.
Then I have been analyzing
the word “b—h” is the name given to female dogs
why a special slur name only for female dogs?
why no special name for the male of that species?
what about other animals like cats, mice, cows, loins etc etc
the meaning of the word is for any female that is mean or annoying ,basically if you don’t like a female its her fault and she deserves to be called the slur name for female dogs
also
women are so different from men (it matters?)
they are weaker and less intelligent – how could this thinking and value exist?
you if your a female and every other female ,mothers, daughters, sisters and wives
analysis example
if a dog
barks at you
or
wags its tale happily to greet you and lets you pet it
or
attacks and bites you
can you tell and do you care if its male or female?
and I have not read anyone question
why our strongest slur words rhyme with so many other words
b—h – a female
hitch
witch
switch
itch etc
f–k – sexual intercourse esp harshly and unfairly (basically rape – so whenever you say f–k it or you your saying I wish rape apon you or it)
duck
yuck etc
n—r – all black people (are inherently inferior to all white people)
figure
trigger etc
s–t – feces (yes it smells bad and you have to get rid of it every other day
in private (just like sex) and its sometimes humiliating (again just like uh sex esp rape) but if you don’t like it so much and can’t call it what is then stop eating
cause that’s what causes it (btw good luck with that one)
Anyway I am obviously not a professional
just a human being that did not choose my gender ,race, nation of origin,
religion and a host of other inherent parts of our identity
which we may not all share but we are all equal
in not having a choice in the forms we come into this existence with nor our inevitable departure.
So my love and admiration for US Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
for pointing some of these things out.
I find it interesting how a jouiner congress person from a new york can have such a obviously national impact.
I would vote for her to be president on this statement alone now or in the next four years forget about seniority ,or what part of the problem of continuing to elect old white males do we not want to confront?
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@Mbeti
I think “Cow” is actually a heifer that has birthed at least one calf. i.e. female cattle. We just use the term cow to describe all cattle for some reason. However, it is also a slur that typically refers to overweight women. Just like the slur at the topic of this thread, I suspect the animal term was converted into a slur to dehumanize the subject of the slur.
That said, American slang (and really our entire usage of the English language) is ridiculously fluid. We’re in the middle of a pandemic and “sick” still means “cool” which itself means “awesome” which doesn’t always mean awe inspiring so maybe more like “exciting and great”. Even “Sh_t” that you referred to can be both a positive and a negative. As in: “This BBQ sauce is sh_t” vs “This BBQ sauce is the sh_t”. For some crazy reason, adding “the” in front of a word for feces turns it from something sick into something sick. LOL
I too admire Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez. Though not to the extent that Abagond does because I’m old and my politics tend to be more moderate. But, regardless if I respected her or not, the idea that a member of congress would refer to another member in such a way is an appalling testament to how reductive and unproductive our elected government has become. I despise our current president. However, if I were an elected official discussing the with another elected official, I would refer to his name and title accordingly.
It’s also a testament to the ongoing diminishment of women in politics. Recently, I have found myself correcting people who say things about the democratic VP candidate like, “I never know how to pronounce her name when I’m talking about her.” I tell them, “It’s easy. Senator Harris.” For some reason people always want to refer to female politicians by their first name (Hillary) or a nickname (AOC) or anything that reduces their stature. Speaker Pelosi is one of very few examples where that isn’t the case.
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@ Open Minded Observer
“I think “Cow” is actually a heifer that has birthed at least one calf. i.e. female cattle.”
It’s the other way around. Heifer is the specialized term which means a young cow (one to three years) that hasn’t yet had a calf. Heifer doesn’t indicate all females in general.
Some people do use the word cow to specify females who have had a calf, and you may have heard that regionally. But “cow” has been the general term in English for centuries; the now-obsolete plural was kine.
Cattle is a relatively recent addition borrowed from the same Latin word from whence we get capital (as in wealth) and chattel. Ultimately it derives from caput, meaning head.
@ Mbeti
There are actually many animals with specialized names indicating gender and/or age, especially domesticated ones. But a lot of these words have fallen out of common usage as society has become more urbanized and fewer people are involved in agriculture.
One example where I think most people will still be familiar with the terms is the horse:
⚬ mare = adult female
⚬ stallion = adult male
⚬ foal = young horse, baby
⚬ colt = a young male
⚬ filly = a young female
Bitch is still used as a regular nonpejorative term for an intact (unspayed) female dog by people involved in the show dog world, or who have livestock guardian dogs or hunting dogs. It is especially used for a female who is pregnant or recently gave birth. If you google the term “whelping bitch,” you will see tons of veterinary articles.
Bitch as a pejorative insult applied to human females originally referred to a canine bitch in heat. It had a more sexual sense that is still evident in the term “son of a bitch,” which was practically interchangeable with the old Shakespearean insult “whore’s son.” The sense of “bitch” as an annoying or mean woman, rather than a sexually voracious or immoral woman, is a relatively recent development.
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“I observed a young african american female be assulted by a young african american male on a public street corner
and afterwards in her apparent grief and shame
she repeatedly yelled “b–h”
and interestingly not “n—” or motherf—ker” or any of slur word just that one”
I’ve also noticed the term “b–h” used to denote a weak or effeminate person. That may be why the young woman in her grief and anger felt that word would diminish her attacker. I doubt it worked.
A lot of young Black men with masculinity issues sling that word around to insult one another—-sometimes with lethal consequences.
It seems to be part and parcel of patriarchal shaming and misogyny. In theory, calling a male person a term generally reserved for females in a way to insult and diminish that person. To people with that worldview, women are weak and despised.
I often hear White men use the terms, “ladies”, “girls” or slang for female genitalia with each other to accomplish the same result.
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Thank you
for your professional and accurate Reponses to my comment.
Afrofem –
“I’ve also noticed the term “b–h” used to denote a weak or effeminate person. That may be why the young woman in her grief and anger felt that word would diminish her attacker. I doubt it worked.
A lot of young Black men with masculinity issues sling that word around to insult one another—-sometimes with lethal consequences.
It seems to be part and parcel of patriarchal shaming and misogyny. In theory, calling a male person a term generally reserved for females in a way to insult and diminish that person. To people with that worldview, women are weak and despised.
I often hear White men use the terms, “ladies”, “girls” or slang for female genitalia with each other to accomplish the same result.”
yep good psych-socio analysis
in esp low income sectors of the african american community
the common slur is “b–h ass n—r a triple the contains
b—h – as in your a female and they and therefor you are inherently low value weak stupid etc
ass – your buttocks and anus ,as in beat your ass ,kick your ass ,get your ass otta here etc ‘ a general demeaning and dismissive term expressing general anger and disproval
and everyone’s favorite ;-/
n—r – all black people are inherently low value weak stupid etc
its sorta understandable how poor african americans many with dysfunctional families born into a society that has these terms built in hundred’s of years before they were born surround by people who have a culture of hatred and epoxidation not just of others but themselves as well.
Solitaire
thank you for more accurately exploring the historical use of this term,
your contribution is more comphrensive esp in regards to other animals.
Open Minded Observer
“That said, American slang (and really our entire usage of the English language) is ridiculously fluid. We’re in the middle of a pandemic and “sick” still means “cool” which itself means “awesome” which doesn’t always mean awe inspiring so maybe more like “exciting and great”. Even “Sh_t” that you referred to can be both a positive and a negative. As in: “This BBQ sauce is sh_t” vs “This BBQ sauce is the sh_t”. For some crazy reason, adding “the” in front of a word for feces turns it from something sick into something sick. LOL”
you use the term carzy
a term I feared would be used by those who are antagonistic to me or us
and its another one in this culture of ignorance (not imply you personally nor disagreeing with your interpretation) we share.
my observation and analysis
crazy – term for mental illness
use also to denote a chaotic situation or condition
example
your or that’s crazy – i.e you or that is mental ill
what type of mental illness?
do you have any training or experience identifying ,diagnosing or treating mental illness?
these are questions I would pose to to someone if the used the term.
another one is mad
as in again mentally ill
a mad scientist is a mentally ill scientist
I think it is because our evolving use of science is still in a early stage
virtual every topic on this blog and in general news media
would be discussed and dealt with more accurately and effectively if
we acknowledged and used the findings and procedures of the science’s of psychology and sociology.
I myself aspire to this goal and in aspiring I see how much more work I and we have to do.
also of course mad also means angry
and interestingly the exact same spelling is an acroym for
mutually assured destruction M.A.D or Damage
as being a male i regularly encounter violence and regardless of the alleged outcome its inevitably a lose lose situation
we value violence and destruction and attribute the greater the ablity to cause this as a positive male value and a source of power
you look at our entertainment media
how violence and destruction is seen as exciting and fun
star wars
in which millions of humans kill each other on a massive scale
in a future where they have almost limitless external technology
but the very Idea of a movie named star love or star peace
in which humans and aliens love each other and help each other
and even have sex with each other
why that’s unacceptable esp the sex part as many would not want their children exposed to sex scenes.
but regularly exposing them to violence and death is acceptable and normal.
i pose a hypothetical question
if it was “real” and you had a choice
which movie would you like to live in?
one where there are vast advanced technology used to regularly fly to distance stars and uh kill other living beings and if necessary your self
like that scene where the rebel fighter fly’s his ship into the big ship full of people destroying them both.
would you want to be that fighter? or be on that ship?
or be one of the soldiers who survived through many of your comrades did not?
wonder how they deal with PTSD in that “advanced” technology universe
or one where there are vast advanced technology used to help care and enhance every being
and if we did fly to distant stars it would be to experience new beings and cultures to love respect enjoy and admire and no one gets killed or injured and
there’s a lot of fun healthy sex.
or in life for real
which you like to experience
assult ,murder
or
sex and love
and yes these are the extremes
but the logic seems to indicate to me that one is better than the other.
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*”…the very Idea of a movie named star love or star peace
in which humans and aliens love each other and help each other
and even have sex with each other
why that’s unacceptable esp the sex part as many would not want their children exposed to sex scenes.
but regularly exposing them to violence and death is acceptable and normal.”*
Oh yeah!
Mbeti, that is a pretty deep analysis of our popular culture. Where love, peace and healthy sex is trampled under pornographic levels of fear, hatred and violence.
The Science Fiction genre is especially guilty of promoting a future dystopia of violence and constant warfare. It wasn’t until I read the work Octavia Butler and other Black speculative fiction writers that I read stories that presented optimistic future scenarios. After reading Black speculative fiction, I realized most science fiction from the 1930s to the 1980s was just a rehash of:
the rise and fall of Rome
the invasion of the Americas and the genocide of the Indigenous people
the African slave trade
Most television shows are awash in violence and death. Every few minutes, it seems some character is crouched in a dark room with a gun in his or her hand It is disheartening and unrealistic. Gratuituous violence without real consequences. Not at all like real life where real people have to deal with disability, trauma and grief.
“surround by people who have a culture of hatred and epoxidation not just of others but themselves as well.”
To me, Black self-hatred is a thousand times more corrosive than hatred Black people encounter from bigots from other groups.
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Afrofem
“After reading Black speculative fiction, I realized most science fiction from the 1930s to the 1980s was just a rehash of:
the rise and fall of Rome
the invasion of the Americas and the genocide of the Indigenous people
the African slave trade”
I started reading science fiction at a young age and all I mean all the so called great (and mediocre) sifi writers and stories were by white men.
I now that I know a little history ,its understandable why – just like in the movie “the banker” no matter your ability you where simply not allowed to be a full functioning human being and virtual every sector of american society enforced and maintained virulent racism.
“Black speculative fiction writers that I read stories that presented optimistic future scenarios.”
wow my thinking and analysis sees this but my last fanstasy novel was from a series written by a white male which was about a another world where magic worked and was ruled by elves in a romanlike empire ,and the elves dispite being bigger stronger and vastly(by thousands) longer lived than humans and having magic that could do everything from teleportation to bring people back to life after they died
the elves where extremely racist toward the humans
and our protagnist (a white male of course and everybody including the evles are white too) grew up as a child amongst these elves and eventual becomes a hitman / assasiin and rises to a capo in the elves version of the mafia
where he regularly uses magic to kill elves ,motivated by there racism toward him.
I started thinking in a fantasy novel with unlimited magic ,still no happiness.
the stories evolved to him getting married and divorced and suffer ever more trauma and lost while on adventures (which always involve a lot killings or murder) as the series progressed.
Its like there is a blind spot in the mind
we can imagine evil but the opposite there is no word I know for it.
the opposite of bad is good ,of love ,hate but what about evil?
in the freest place we all have, our imagination?
I seem to be outta of the desire to read like I used to but I will definitely check out some black/african american sifi
thanks for the insight.
“To me, Black self-hatred is a thousand times more corrosive than hatred Black people encounter from bigots from other groups.”
I agree i consider it their most profound accomplishment how they can coerce and mold a people slightly phenotypically different from them into people who hate dispise and are deeply ashamed of every aspect of their natural being
and worship and adore the people who continually abuse them.
I think it says some interesting and important things about humanity and
many of them are not at all flattering to black or white people.
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@mbeti no, b* a* means you take it (sexually) in the a* like a b* (female animal in heat is the basic connotation in the modern vernacular that i can determine)
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“i consider it their most profound accomplishment how they can coerce and mold a people slightly phenotypically different from them into people who hate dispise and are deeply ashamed of every aspect of their natural being
and worship and adore the people who continually abuse them.”
Even that “accomplishment” is slowly fading away. As time goes on, more and more Black folk are finding points of pride in their natural being and turning away from the altar of Whiteness.
It is a painfully slow process, with bumps and u-turns, but it is happening.
Perhaps in another hundred years….2120 here we come.
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@Mbeti
Sorry I missed your reply. The irony of my use of the word “crazy” in a sentence about words used outside of their dictionary definitions is not lost on me. I apologize for it’s use and should have spent more time crafting the sentence to express my view of the chaotic nature of word meanings as used in everyday American English.
I assume many of your questions were rhetorical, and while I do have some training and experience in treating mental illness, it is irrelevant to my misplaced usage of the term.
Your insights on why we seem to create fantasy realms filled with loss and drama are quite thought provoking. I’m not certain I have the capacity to imagine my existence in a world without such things. Perhaps conflict is an easy way to derive purpose in one’s life and anything else is too complex to envision for most of us.
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