
The Lovings – their Supreme Court case, Loving v Virginia (1967), overturned laws against interracial marriage in the US.
Re-repost: This was first posted in 2013 and then reposted in 2016 with slight changes. The comment section of the first became too long, the comment section of the second has pretty much become the public journal of v8driver’s own interracial relationship. So I am reposting this again, with slight changes. V8driver can comment here but not turn it into a journal. He is free to continue journaling at the 2016 post.
An interracial relationship (IRR) is a dating or married relationship between people from different races. This post is about the ones in the US. It is an overview post – click on links to go deeper into a particular topic.
The numbers:
According to the last US census, in 2010, some 4.1% of all marriages in the US were interracial. The rate was 2.1% for White women, 4.6% for Black women and 17.5% for Asian women.
Interracial marriages, from most common to least:
- 21.3% Asian woman, White man
- 19.7% Other woman, White man
- 19.7% White woman, Other man
- 15.7% White woman, Black man
- 8.8% White woman, Asian man
- 6.8% Black woman, White man
- 2.7% Other woman, Black man
- 1.6% Asian woman, Black man
- 1.5% Asian woman, Other man
- 1.1% Other woman, Asian man
- 0.7% Black woman, Other man
- 0.4% Black woman, Asian man
Notes:
- Hispanic/Latino – not a race.
- Asian – everyone from Pakistan to Japan, from Mongolia to Papua New Guinea is one “race”.
- Other – presumably Native Americans, mixed-race people, etc. Though note that many Blacks and Hispanics will check “Other” on forms.
Myths:
- “I am not racist. My girlfriend is Black.” Right, and I am not sexist because my wife is a woman.
- “Mixed-race marriages will help end racism. In 500 years we will all look Brazilian!” The people in Brazil already look Brazilian – and they are still racist. Racism comes not from differences, but how people think about those differences.
- “Mixed-race children are better-looking.” Is that because being part White puts them closer to White ideas of beauty?
- “All Black men secretly want to marry White women.” Supposedly most Black men who make over $100,000 a year (upper-middle-class to rich) marry White. That could well be true, but not necessarily because of any secret desire: as Michelle Obama found out, most highly successful Black men live in an all-White world and become cut off from other Blacks.
Issues:
- Beauty is objective – a racist trope that comes up in these discussions. Pushed by Steve Sailer, Satoshi Kanazawa, Heartiste, majorityrights.com and their godfather, J.F. “Caucasian” Blumenbach. It is all beside the point because:
- Men are dogs – when it comes to race, it is women who do the choosing. Or so says the Columbia speed dating study.
- sexual selection and race – a study of Chinese American women found that those who grew up in White neighbourhoods tend to marry White while those who grew up in Chinese neighbourhoods tend to marry Chinese.
- Asian fetish – while some White men no doubt have creepy desires for Asian women, the high number of Asian women married to White men mainly comes from the fact that Asian women are far less likely to grow up in same-race neighbourhoods than other women.
- “It’s just my preference.” – probably not if it falls in line with society’s racist beauty standards.
- Red flags:
- Exoticization – this makes the other person into some kind of racist fantasy, not a flesh-and-blood person. No one is exotic.
- Internalized racism – this shows up as badmouthing one’s own race, particularly the opposite sex. Examples:
- BWE Movement – thinks that Black men are DBR (Damaged Beyond Repair), that the answer is to marry White men.
- Tommy Sotomayor – the Black male counterpart to BWE.
- mixed-race identity – what the children of these unions will have to deal with at some point.
– Abagond, 2013, 2020.
See also:
- Loving v Virginia
- Black women, loyalty and Black men
- My views on relationships between Black women and White men
- OkCupid and race and dating – a dating website with a half million people runs the numbers
- Famous interracial couples
- Adrian Tomine: Shortcomings – internalized racism and interracial relationships
- growing up biracial
Lol!
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Growing up mixed race in a predominantly black identifying family is not too tortuous because they didn’t have time for the nonsense. They were serious about everyone learning their roots because the Mississippi plantation was where the family started and mostly stayed.
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Highly objective post on an important socialogical issue.
Nice to see 8driver’s obsessive comments finally acknowledged and dealt with ,I might add if it’s incoherent you should probably delete it.
With such large population groups interbreeding is inevitable ,however the obvious problem is the large percentage of white skinned people who have a almost inherent aggression toward any other group of humans who are phenotypically different from them and esp toward the most different phenotypically ,black people.
My observation of the Trump presidency as well as Britain’s exciting the European Union leads me to conclude that a significant portion of the white European population has a extreme dominance need ,that precludes them considering the concept of equality with other populations of their fellow humans esp along phenotypic lines.
But more interesting is how much lies and deception are a central component of their dominance strategy.
But then most humans are actively religious inspite of developing scientific systems that refute every tenent of the major religions and even the concept and process of belief itself.
Perhaps as science indicates clearly we are a product of and within the continuous process of evolution.
Which would indicate my view that evolution is somehow a inherently “progressive” phenomenon.
Are my insights accurate ?
I don’t know for certain and will accept if apon evidence my conculsions are invalidated.
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“Asian – everyone from Pakistan to Japan, from Mongolia to Papua New Guinea is one “race”.”
Ok.
African – everyone from Algeria to Zimbabwe, from Tunisia to Togo is one “race”. Makes perfect sense to me. Lol.
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My pinned blog post on mixed race explains how many groups in the U.S. are actually already mixed
race, even if they don’t define themselves that way.
https://mixedamericanlife.wordpress.com
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My pinned blog post on mixed race explains how many groups in the U.S. are actually already mixed
race, even if they don’t define themselves that way.
https://mixedamericanlife.wordpress.com
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Yeah, a journal, i was thinking about this today! Thanks. 🙂 the struggle is real!
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Separate the southern states from the statistics and what do you have?
Many states have very small populations of blacks and some are mixing.
Without the south what are the stats?
Many blacks are already half white but claim black because of the supposedly “one drop rule”.
Can anyone support any of the facts quoted in this article.
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@and Papua New Guinea is not even in Asia!
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@V8driver
“The struggle is real”. I think relationships for you are a struggle. That yours happens to be interracial isn’t what causes the drama.
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“Papua New Guinea is not even in Asia!”
Really!?
How do you square that claim with the following definition of Oceania? “Oceania (UK: /ˌoʊsiˈɑːniə, ˌoʊʃi-, -ˈeɪn-/, US: /ˌoʊʃiˈæniə/ (About this soundlisten), /-ˈɑːn-/)[4] is a geographic region that includes Australasia, Melanesia, Micronesia and Polynesia.[5] Spanning the eastern and western hemispheres, Oceania has a land area of 8,525,989 square kilometres (3,291,903 sq mi) and a population of 42 million. Situated in the southeast of the Asia-Pacific region, Oceania, when compared to continental regions, is the smallest in land area and the second smallest in population after Antarctica.”
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“Are my insights accurate ?
I don’t know for certain and will accept if apon evidence my conculsions are invalidated.” – Mbeti
I could easily “invalidate” you entire “incoherent” post. However, since it appears that you believe that we as humans have evolved from primates and a garden variety of other bipedal animals, I’ll pass because I sincerely do not believe it’s necessary here.
https://images.theconversation.com/files/287932/original/file-20190813-9431-1n4k8u8.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=1000&fit=clip
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Reblogged this on Steph's Blog and commented:
This blog post by blogger Abagond sums up what I’ve discussed on my blog for the past five years.
I don’t always agree with Abagond but he is honest when it comes to issues dealing with race, class, history, and culture.
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@gro jo. Oceania is a separate region from Asia according to the UN. The island of New Guinea (including PNG and Indonesian West Papua) is part of the Australian continent. Asia-Pacific includes both eastern Asia and Oceania.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_(continent)
https://unstats.un.org/unsd/methodology/m49/ (geographic regions)
https://www.worldatlas.com/cntycont.htm
http://statisticstimes.com/geography/countries-by-continents.php
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well the text didn’t show up but it’s supposed to say ‘Don’t be the consequence of other peoples’ opinions’
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From the Parapet,
I bow to your superior knowledge of geography.
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@gro jo, lol
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Humans behaving like…
… well, like humans, for a change!
Beauty in interracial relationships. See the article and, specially, watch the video!
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/newsbeat-53395935/south-asian-anti-black-racism-we-don-t-marry-black-people
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they’re letting me drive again
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not going good today i’m sad because ican’t see my children
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she talkin some racial thing now
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@ v8driver
???
…”racial thing”?
And it is what, if you can explain further?
I apologize if this is an issue outside the scope of this discussion, but I’m really curious.
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oi vey it was harsh, she usually starts with i love you but not your kind etc and at that time? had degraded into a general screed ad ‘blancos’
so today this weekend even i was supposed to work and she was going out with her friends yet here we are at home sheesh it’s impossible to explain
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for the record the hurting me part was her digging 4 fingernails into my face it was rather unpleasant
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GL! blessed be, 93
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ima try to get 30 days clean and call some ppl for an intervention, for her
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it’s our 9th anniversary tomorrow
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sheesh and i been here longer than that
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