Household wealth in Boston. Source: Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, 2015.
ADOS (by 2005) is short for “American Descendants of Slaves”, also known as American DOS, DOS or USDOS, etc. It means US Blacks who come from US slaves. About 90% of Black people in the US are ADOS. The term goes back to at least “America’s Little Black Book” (2005) by Norris Shelton. The term is being pushed on the Internet by Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell.
Not ADOS:
- Nigerian Americans because few if any came from slaves.
- West Indian Americans because they came from non-US slaves.
- Non-Black people of colour, also not from US slaves. Note that many Native Americans were made into slaves, but their descendants no longer form a separate class in US society.
- White Americans, many of whom have the blood of Black slaves in them – just ask James Watson – but have since crossed over and now enjoy White privilege.
Examples of non-ADOS: Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, Marcus Garvey, Louis Farrakhan, Harry Belafonte, Stokely Carmichael, Colin Powell, Issa Rae, and:
Joy Reid of MSNBC is also non-ADOS. She would have you believe that the #ADOS pushback against Kamala Harris on Twitter was largely carried out by Russian bots.
Reparations: All of this matters because of reparations. For hundreds of years in the US, Black people have worked for free or almost free (slavery, peonage, prison labour). The wealth they created went to White people. So did almost all the wealth created by the Homestead Act, G.I. Bill, and FHA loans, thanks in part to White Southern senators, racist bankers, etc. These and other US government policies helped to create a wealth gap between Blacks and Whites of at least ten to one.
Affirmative action was supposed to right some of these wrongs, but many of the Black people who have benefited came from an African and Caribbean brain drain. The fear is that reparations will wind up the same way.
Counter-frames: Many ADOS, Native Americans, Chicanos, and some Asian Americans seem to share roughly the same view of the US, one based on a history of dispossession under US rule. Most immigrants, on the other hand, whatever their colour, lack that history and seem far more likely to kiss up to White people and look down on ADOS.
Kamala Harris: Some of the Black pushback against Kamala Harris comes from those who see her as non-ADOS. That is not a Russian plot or even mere nativism: like Obama, her record shows little regard for Black people beyond symbolism and pandering. She might like Cardi B, for example, but as attorney general her office defended mass incarceration on the grounds that California needed the prison labour. Like Obama, she has not come out in favour of reparations.
Black nativism: Unfortunately, all this plays to Black nativism, which is real. “Get back on your banana boat!” At some Black churches West Indians sit on one side and ADOS on the other – and that was long before there were Russian bots on Twitter.
– Abagond, 2019.
See also:
- Kamala Harris
- counter-frames
- dispossession
- reparations
- US slavery
- The Incomplete List of US Companies & Universities That Benefited From Black Slavery
- Slavery by Another Name – peonage, prison labour, etc
- Homestead Act
- Jim Crow
- The Third Enlargement of American Whiteness
- GI Bill
- FHA loans
- affirmative action
- Asian brain drain – the most racially conspicuous part of a more general brain drain.
- The mass incarceration of Black men
- MSNBC
- Joy Reid
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Who set the standard for blacks?
All blacks from the US, Central and South America and the Caribbean islands are descendants from former slaves. We are not talking about those Africans that have come to this nation after slavery has long since been declared illegal.
A black who has an ancestor who was black, (a black woman who had a white man’s baby). The children are black.
First thing to do is to change the definition of race by the government. You can then try to define the small number of black people, who do not have white DNA, in the conversation and say they are the only victims of slavery.
Remember the old discredited saying “a drop of black blood”!
Those who created ADOS have a poor knowledge of the history of slavery in the Americas!
Many non ADOS were slaves and died (worked to death) in the fields. This is just another way that someone wants to separate the blacks into different groups to weaken their movement.
All Blacks should wake up! There will be no reparation where tons of money will go to some select group of individuals. What will happen is education programs, better medical care and an increase in job opportunities. Individuals will be on their own to utilize the opportunities.
Many blacks went to college on the GI bill. Many blacks bought homes on the GI bill. Many Blacks that served during World War II came from the farms of the south and did not have the basic background to prepare them for college. They returned to a south that was poison to blacks.
Many blacks had white fathers and were never identified as anything but black.
The period 1914 to 1952 was a rural social system where education was more of how to manage a farm then academics. Formal reading and writing were not high on the list of requirements in many states of this union.
Finally, for anyone to attempt to separate the slavery of the US from the balance of the Americas, it is a sad reality almost as bad as the Chiefs of Africa selling their people to the slave traders after years of slavery and knowledge of the treatment and the slave system were known throughout the world.
Today if you are black you are black! 1% to 99.99% or 100%!
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“Black nativism: Unfortunately, all this plays to Black nativism, which is real. “Get back on your banana boat!” At some Black churches West Indians sit on one side and ADOS on the other – and that was long before there were Russian bots on Twitter.”
Much “ADOS” about nothing. ADOS is the black equivalent of MAGA. Good Lord, I fully endorse Allen Shaw’s take on this issue! What is the world coming to? To the ADOS fans, next time you teach black history you will have to exclude Jean Baptiste Point Du Sable, Estevanico and others. African Americans were welcomed to Haiti and settled on Samaná Peninsula, presently part of the Dominican Republic, by the Haitian government nearly 200 years ago, their descendants qualify as ADOS, the same is true of the Americo-Liberians. Helene Cooper, Pentagon correspondent, for The New York Times was born and raised in Liberia, her name indicates that she is an Americo-Liberian therefore, an ADOS, but Harry Belafonte, born in Harlem NYC isn’t! If this isn’t nonsense I don’t know what is. By the way, Belafonte and Harris are as much ADOS as the 90% who claim a US slave as an ancestor. Why? Because Jamaica or Haiti are just as “American” as Florida or California. If you are confused by that line of argument think of Britain and Europe. The Brits are as European as the French and German.
“Kamala Harris: Some of the Black pushback against Kamala Harris comes from those who see her as non-ADOS. That is not a Russian plot or even mere nativism: like Obama, her record shows little regard for Black people beyond symbolism and pandering. She might like Cardi B, for example, but as attorney general her office defended mass incarceration on the grounds that California needed the prison labour. Like Obama, she has not come out in favour of reparations.”
I don’t like Harris anymore than I liked Obama but I’ll bet they are better or no worse than real ADOSs such as ‘uncle’ Clarence Thomas or the egregious pastor James David Manning. Instead of evaluating the political programs these people advocate a good deal of time is wasted on nonsense like ADOS non-ADOS.
“Affirmative action was supposed to right some of these wrongs, but many of the Black people who have benefited came from an African and Caribbean brain drain. The fear is that reparations will wind up the same way.”
People like Ifeoma Thorpe-White, Augusta Uwamanzu-Nna, Harold Ekeh, Kwasi Enin, Elizabeth Olatunji and Munira Khalif, recent African immigrants got into Ivy colleges the same way ADOS such as Mekhi Johnson, Michael Brown, Ronald Nelson,Jadal Williams, Taimor Williams and Samantha O’Sullivan did, by working smart, not because of Affirmative action. Reparations, really!? that ship sailed a long time ago with 40 acres and a mule.
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If I remember correctly, our gracious host himself is non-ADOS.
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Despite all the side issues, the point was does Sen. Harris best represent the values and aspirations of ADOS…
These are also the same qualifications that would apply to any other candidate seeking the ADOS vote.
With regard to the larger community who identify as part of the diaspora, we will not be ruled by those who seek a measure beyond their current investment in our unique political struggle.
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“If I remember correctly, our gracious host himself is non-ADOS.”
The following quote from this post says that Abagond is a non-ADOS raised in a country where “favor” is spelled as “FAVOUR”.
“Like Obama, she has not come out in favour of reparations.”
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While it’s true that Abagond uses Oxford spelling, I’ve always gotten the impression that he either was born in the U.S. or came over at a young age. I could be wrong, of course. Perhaps he will enlighten us!
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See YouTuber Yvette Carnell and her Breaking Brown videos. That’s where I heard this term. What i got from watching some of her videos is this movement has biases towards immigrant black people. They don’t buy into Pan African movement.
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I can always tell where a writer is from by the Oxford English spellings. I thought Abagond might be West Indian from one of the British, Caribbean Islands. From being a reader of this blog he as expressed his affinity for all things Anglophile.
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Having worked in the work place for a number of years is where i have been on the receiving end of getting the cold shoulder from immigrant blacks, this is how i learned of the chasm between black Americans and immigrant blacks. Being on sites that try to have a conversation about why this chasm exist can go sideways and turn ugly immediately.
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I am a Joy Reid fan. Joy Ann’s mother was from Guyana and her father was from Democratic Republic of Congo. I never thought i would live to see the day where Russians would be able to infiltrate our American government and spread propaganda.
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I used to be a fan of blogger Luvvie Ajay who is Nigerian-American and she made the drastic mistake of referring to black Americans as “akata” That’s when she lost me as a fan. And her ignorance of black American history.
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@ Mary Burrell
Did you know that Nnedi Okorafor has a YA fantasy series with Akata in the titles? I didn’t know it was a pejorative word. I haven’t read the books yet so I don’t know exactly how Okorafor uses it or whether she discusses the fact that the word can be offensive.
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@Mary
“I thought Abagond might be West Indian…”
He has said as much: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2007/02/25/me/
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Many of the transcontinental railroad workers were often not even paid for their work and buried in their own separate “coolie” cemeteries while held against their will until the project completed.
Like Allen Shaw mentioned just about all West Indian Blacks are a result of the slave trade.
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This blog post may spark a heated discussion, and I don’t want to get involved in lengthy arguments. I’m going to share my thoughts that are relevant to the original post, but I’m not going to come back and address any replies. In other words, please don’t be insulted if I seem to ignore you, because in reality I won’t even know that you were talking to me.
Looking at that graph reminded me of how certain White people in Boston (especially WASPs) own multi million dollar historic houses that their ancestors paid for many generations ago. In some cases, these families haven’t had to worry about rent or a mortgage for centuries, and they can make a fortune any time they feel like selling the house. Other racial and ethnic groups are much more likely to rent or buy homes themselves, which brings down their net worth considerably.
I would like to see reparations in the form of free college/university courses at any educational level: bachelor’s, master’s, or doctoral. I notice that many Black immigrants and their descendants are gradually improving their situation through education, often despite serious issues like poverty, language barriers, and discrimination from both White and ADOS people. I think the same strategy could work for most ADOS people. Some have already enjoyed success through education, such as Deval Patrick and Ayanna Pressley.
I had a Haitian-American friend tell me that she would never marry an ADOS guy, because they’re not trustworthy. I thought that was a melodramatic and prejudiced statement, since of course there are some trustworthy ADOS guys. I wonder now if she was trying to kiss up to me when she said that. This friend has two degrees and speaks five languages, so for the record I don’t think she has to put anyone else down in order to look good! I would think she was awesome regardless of her partner’s background.
I want to say to the world that success is not a pie that will be eaten up by others if you don’t steal your slice first. Rather, success is like a community vegetable garden that will produce more food when everyone works in it together. It’s fine to criticize those who have given up on working in the garden, but why get upset if someone’s peppers are a different color than yours or the seeds came from another country? Just be glad that they’re growing!
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@gro jo
I feel like I’m missing something with your ADOS/MAGA parallel. Perhaps that’s because I don’t really understand the subtleties of ADOS, but I took it to be a way of “othering” people. i.e “You’re not genuine, you’re not one of us.” or something. Whereas I take MAGA to be a philosophy of greed, “I want the riches and power of White people in history books.”
The net effect may be the same, people who are drawn to MAGA are also racist and ADOS could have an impact like other forms of “divide and subjugate” racism. But, at the same time, Black people are not a monolith and ADOS is also a reflection of that.
In the end, I can see why MAGAts would love ADOS but I’m not getting how they’re alike.
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<Like Allen Shaw mentioned just about all West Indian Blacks are a result of the slave trade.
I thought that West Indians origins are from South America where there direct descendants are from. I know that when invasions began from Europeans that slavery started and that there is also a clear strong link to the slave trade. So a mixture of both and no doubt other races too. There are some Islands in the Caribbean who still have indigenous populations though they are only very small groups left.
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People that feel the the trickle down treatment aren’t going to feel the difference of being Ados or non-ados. In the colonized you are almost treated based on how you look…..
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Sorry about my less than rational rant. I feel better now somewhat.
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“I’m going to share my thoughts that are relevant to the original post, but I’m not going to come back and address any replies. In other words, please don’t be insulted if I seem to ignore you, because in reality I won’t even know that you were talking to me.”
Chicken.
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@Abagond
“Most immigrants, on the other hand, whatever their colour, lack that history and seem far more likely to kiss up to White people and look down on ADOS.”
This reminded me of the discussion about assimilation from the “Cesaria Evora: Sodade” post. The scary thing to me is how effective the concepts of division can be at obscuring the reality shown in the chart. One group may look down on the other, but at the end of the day, neither enjoys anywhere near the success of the oppressors.
Assimilate and “bootstrap ” you’re way from a net worth of $8 to $12k but when compared to $247,500, you can plainly see it’s all smoke & mirrors.
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@ Omnipresent
There was overlap, although I don’t recall how much offhand. But I know that there were African slaves from the West Indies who were transported and resold here, and I believe that sometimes the trade went in the opposite direction as well. I think the majority of West Indian slaves came from the same area of Africa as the majority of U.S. slaves.
Just to complicate things a little more, as early as 1637, white colonists in New England traded a group of Pequot Indians to the West Indies in exchange for African slaves. Later on, people from the Southeastern tribes were also transported to the West Indies and sold into slavery. So it’s possible that some West Indians may also have a trace of North American indigenous ancestry.
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Woah. Every now and again your 500 words hit just seen the article gets even more interesting than it already was. If really like to know more about this separation in the same church thing.
ADOS can also be called “The Right Kind of Black.” There’s a fascinating story on This American Life about a young man who experienced this first hand.
“Uganda Be Kidding Me”
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/598/my-undesirable-talent/act-two
Depending on where I am, I’m often the right kind of black because light skinned but that can change awfully fast the minute I say something white people don’t like.
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When I was reading about this I learned that Notorious B.I.G, the rapper, would not be ADOS because both of his parents were Jamaican immigrants. Also, Stokely Carmichael (Kwame Ture) was born in Trinidad and Tobago.
On one hand, I think there is zero problem with recognizing the black cultures that developed in the context of the continental U.S.A and the people who created them. On the other hand, I think bridges can and should be built. How different groups of black people relate to the prevailing system is a huge reason for the divisions that exist. This dynamic is as ancient as the “house negro” and “field negro” concept.
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“On one hand, I think there is zero problem with recognizing the black cultures that developed in the context of the continental U.S.A and the people who created them.”
False. Jazz, that most African American art form was created in New Orleans by ADOS and non-ADOS whose ancestors came to the USA from St-Domingue (colonial Haiti) because they didn’t want the freedom the Haitian Revolution offered.
Writing “favor” as “favour” is a dead giveaway that our genial host isn’t being entirely ‘honest’ about where he grew up.
“@gro jo
I feel like I’m missing something with your ADOS/MAGA parallel. Perhaps that’s because I don’t really understand the subtleties of ADOS, but I took it to be a way of “othering” people. i.e “You’re not genuine, you’re not one of us.” or something. Whereas I take MAGA to be a philosophy of greed, “I want the riches and power of White people in history books.””
You aren’t missing a thing. ““You’re not genuine, you’re not one of us.” and therefore you shouldn’t be getting Affirmative action or Reparation, etc. ADOS is the ghetto version of MAGA, since it’s a struggle over crumbs. Maybe Mr. Tidjane Thiam, the non-ADOS ceo of Credit Suisse Group AG, a bank with assets worth $796.3 billion, should dump his ADOS wife since marrying her ends up enriching an ADOS at the expense of non-ADOS? Like MAGA, it assumes the ‘superiority’ of USAers over the rest of humanity. US exceptionalism in action.
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@ gro jo
“Writing “favor” as “favour” is a dead giveaway that our genial host isn’t being entirely ‘honest’ about where he grew up.”
I don’t know that he’s ever said one way or the other where he grew up. The reason I think the way I do, is that I’ve noticed how many cultural commonalities we have when discussing elementary age through college (I think Abagond and I are very close to the same age). I realize with the U.S. having the huge global influence it does, I may be wrong.
I don’t write “favour” but I do write “dreamt” instead of “dreamed” and “travelled” instead of “traveled” and a number of other spellings that are more British than American.
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Interesting
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Non ados people please be honest. You know your family says things that would be considered racist if they were white.
the term akata should speak volumes, by itself, to the anti ados sentiment held. Couple that with the fact that ados people paved the way for the american life you now live.
This is not to take away from folks like Marcus Garvey and the like. Who, it should be noted, mostly held pan African views which are not held by non ados folks in general.
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“I want to say to the world that success is not a pie that will be eaten up by others if you don’t steal your slice first.”
Unfortunately, this is exactly how the world is, and whites have been the biggest transgressors in hoarding all the pie.
“Rather, success is like a community vegetable garden that will produce more food when everyone works in it together.”
That’s a goal to work for, not reality on the ground.
“It’s fine to criticize those who have given up on working in the garden”
How about asking them why they stopped working in the garden? Were they given the worst soil and polluted water and rusty broken tools and seeds that don’t thrive in this climate?
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“Non ados people please be honest. You know your family says things that would be considered racist if they were white.” ADOS don’t? If you’re white you’re all right, if you’re brown stick around, if you’re black get back should be attributed to non-ADOS?
“Couple that with the fact that ados people paved the way for the american life you now live.”
Hello, history, give me rewrite. Your claim is nonsense and a shameless attempt to write non-ADOS out of the history of the USA.
Does the name Homère Patrice Adolphe Plessy jog your memory? Maybe you know him better as Homer Adolph Plessy of the eponymous ” landmark U.S. Supreme Court case Plessy v. Ferguson (1896),which sanctioned the controversial “separate but equal” doctrine for assessing the constitutionality of racial segregation laws.”?
“Homer Plessy’s paternal grandfather was Germain Plessy, a white Frenchman born in Bordeaux c. 1777.[5] Germain Plessy arrived in New Orleans with thousands of other French expatriates who fled Saint-Domingue in the wake of the slave rebellion led by Toussaint L’Ouverture that wrested Haiti from Napoleon in the 1790s.[5] Germain Plessy married Catherine Mathieu, a free woman of color, and they had eight children, including Homer Plessy’s father, Joseph Adolphe Plessy.[5]”
Non-ADOS were in The USA before it was the USA (Jean Baptiste Point Du Sable, Estevanico and others), during its creation (Chasseurs-Volontaires de Saint-Domingue was a French regiment of colored troops (gens de couleur) that was founded on 12 March 1779…The regiment accompanied the Comte d’Estaing as part of the expeditionary force for service in the American Revolutionary War…Twelve-year old slave-boy Henri Christophe, who served as a drummer, would later become the King of Haiti. ) and after its creation (Plessy, Carmichael, Belafonte, etc.)
Let’s not mention the fact that 22% of the USA was a ‘gift’ of the Haitian Revolution to Jefferson, who opposed it. Please, spare me your abysmal display of ignorance. Go learn some real history and quit writing bs based on your feelings.
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To grow jo, I already addressed the contributions of non ados people in my last sentences. No denial of that at all.
The main point of the post however is the anti ados attitudes held by non ados folk. Which is not anything unique. It seems people of all nations have drunk the kool aid of American propaganda aka racism. Heck, even ados people themselves have issues here.
Grow jo are you non ados? You’re condescension was palpable in that post. This is a touchy issue but no need for hostility. Just be honest, ados and non ados people are divided and conquered.
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“American Descendants of Slaves” The term itself implies a sense of inferiority, and is a rupture from the history and culture of our ancestors who were part of the largest forced migration in history. These people are basically saying that their history starts in 1619. That they started as conquered people. When in fact the essence of Afrikan culture is the reason why those of us who are descendants of that forced migration are here. It was the essence of Afrikan culture that gave our ancestors the fortitude to survive forced marches to the Afrikan coast; months in slave prisons; the horrific Middle Passage, and the daily terror of chattel slavery. We understand the our history in America has its idiosyncrasies. We understand the impact of three cycles of white supremacy and the double-consciousness Du Bois discussed. But that’s only part of our history over several millennia. I think something deeper than group reparations is driving this identity movement. They want to additional demarcations to the Afrikan world, updating the Berlin Conference geography and subsequent national identities, to include the United States, the Americas, and the Caribbean as separate entities, just like Ghana, Togo, Benin, Nigeria, et al. What more could the global White Supremacy Dynamic hope for.
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“The main point of the post however is the anti ados attitudes held by non ados folk.”
Nonsense, the main point was to show that such divisions are real. ADOS are full of vitriol for their fellow ADOS as the “if you’re white you’re alright” chant indicates.
“It seems people of all nations have drunk the kool aid of American propaganda aka racism. Heck, even ados people themselves have issues here.”
I found your ADOS as ‘victims’ of the whole world irritating and dishonest, ADOS have harassed non-ADOS but that fact disappears in your comment, non-ADOS are reduced to mere parasites who feed off the struggle of righteous ADOS. As my history lesson indicates, such claim is nonsense. Non-ADOS have experienced the same racism as ADOS.
“Just be honest, ados and non ados people are divided and conquered.” Nobody is playing ‘victim’ here but you. Show me what non-ADOS have taken from ADOS or how they blocked them from getting what they fought for. ADOS and non-ADOS hold their share of prejudices toward each other, if you want to discuss that fact, start by dealing with your own prejudices against non-ADOS.
“Grow(sic) jo are you non ados? You’re condescension was palpable in that post.” What you call my condescension was an attempt to set the record straight.
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I’m a CADOS, Canadian descendant of American Slaves. I can heartily attest to ‘Grow Jo’s’ assertions of prejudices between the ADOS, and non-ADOS.
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As a ‘HADOS’, I’d like to thank Herwneith for her comment.
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I am non ados myself on my father’s side but what I am seeing here is kind of vicious actually. I never said ados are holier than thou ados and non ados are the same people, geopolitically speaking.
What I am saying is that, in recent decades, there is Ia shift in attitudes where non ados separate themselves from ados. Do ados have a similar term to akata?
It seems like non ados take the problems of internalized racism they have experienced either to themselves ( I got it too) or through vicarious experience like the media and placed themselves in opposition to ados.
Also there us economic incentive in the U.S. it seems like. Do you think the recent influx of non ados celebrities in media is a function of talent?
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“American Descendants of Slaves” The term itself implies a sense of inferiority, and is a rupture from the history and culture of our ancestors who were part of the largest forced migration in history.” – makheruspeaks
WHAT? ADOS or American Descendants of Slaves, “implies a sense of inferiority” Personally, I do not believe ADOS implies a sense of being inferior. To me, it’s simply a distinction in accordance with the geographical locale of his/her enslaved forefathers and foremothers. It has nothing to do with being lesser than another people.
It would be the same if Haitians, who were colonized by the French, to say that they are “inferior” due to being enslaved by the French. It would be the same if the Dominican Republic citizens were to say that they were “inferior” due to being enslaved by the Spaniards (Spain). It would be the same thing if those living on one of the Caribbean islands, who were enslaved by the British, to say that they were “inferior” due to being enslaved by the Brits.
“These people are basically saying that their history starts in 1619.” – makheruspeaks
Who or what group of so-called ADOS or in the alternative, African American made such a statement? In my honest opinion, only an individual fraught with ignorance would believe such nonsense. I’ll wait for you to provide me with a name of who actually said what you posted……
“That they started as conquered people. It was the essence of Afrikan culture that gave our ancestors the fortitude to survive forced marches to the Afrikan coast; months in slave prisons; the horrific Middle Passage, and the daily terror of chattel slavery.“ – makheruspeaks
WHEW! Lawdy, lawdy have mercy. To me, no one is in a position to give another person fortitude or strength. You may be in a position to give words of encouragement, but that’s about it. Inner strength or fortitude is something that’s spiritually drawn upon due to your personal beliefs in a higher power.
“That they started as a conquered people?” – makheruspeaks
What in the world are you talking about?? Do you really believe that we as a people were spawned out of thin air??
PS: Imagine this for a moment. African Chiefs (Hamites), giving words of encouragement to ANOTHER people (Hebrews) that were captured, simply to be loaded into the hull of a slave ship. Such rubbish! (SMDH)
I suggest that you brush up on your history and while you’re at, …. read the darn Bible!
Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
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@makheruspeaks
Right.
It’s certain that cultural details will be different depending on the background and location of a particular people. Even within America, Southern and Northern culture is not exactly the same and then Louisiana is different from Georgia. So from that perspective, I don’t have an issue with the mere recognition of ethnic differences.
However, the chattel slavery experience is not unique to North America and it might have been almost random whether your ancestors ended up in the Caribbean or the Carolinas. Furthermore, there is a long history of all kinds of interaction. There were non-ADOS like T&T-born Carmichael involved in the civil rights movement in the USA. There was a Jamaica-born slave, “Dutty Boukman”, associated with the Haitian Revolution on the neighboring island. There were free black ADOS who were welcomed to settle in Haiti after the revolution when America still had slavery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_emigration
Gro Jo’s erm – incendiary – way of putting things aside, he’s right that any notion of non-ADOS as leeches holding back ADOS is not historically informed but a manifestation of prejudice. It’s quite possible that Trump’s nativist rhetoric has brought this to the forefront now. However it would also be wrong to suggest that prejudices are unidirectional. Ultimately, I consider it all self-defeating as you do.
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@Son said: “It seems like non ados take the problems of internalized racism they have experienced either to themselves ( I got it too) or through vicarious experience like the media and placed themselves in opposition to ados.”
EXACTLY!
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blakksage, why don’t you regale us with your anti non-ADOS “internalized racism”?
Let me help you get started: “And for those who dream that there will be some type of alliance between so-called African-Americans and native Africans, that is not only wishful thinking, but sheer nonsense. The depiction of the gentleman wearing a green suit in the movie with a green lip-plate lodged in his lower lip was done for a strategic purpose, that is, to indicate the difference between us, not similarities.
By the way, how many so-called African Americans have you ever seen wear a green painted lip-plate in public??
Wake up Black folks, Selah!
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abagond
@ blakksage
I hated seeing that lip-plate man in the film. In my experience people like him are used to exoticize Africa.”
This exchange between you and Abagond is revealing. The only “Black folks” that matter are the ones you feel are totally westernized. My friend, African Americans are a minority of “Black folks”, even in the Americas.
“Tribes that are known for their traditional lip plates include:
The Mursi and Surma (Suri) women of Ethiopia
The Sara women of Chad (ceased wearing plates in the 1920s)
The Makonde of Tanzania and Mozambique (ceased wearing plates several decades ago)
The Suyá men of Brazil (most no longer wear plates)
The Botocudo of coastal Brazil (in previous centuries, both sexes wore plates)
Aleut, Inuit and other indigenous peoples of Northern Canada, Alaska and surrounding regions also wore large labrets and lip plates; these practices had mostly ceased by the twentieth century.
Some tribes (Zo’e in Brazil, Nuba in Sudan, Lobi in West Africa) wear stretched-lip ornaments that are plug- or rod-shaped rather than plate-shaped.”
Why did you fail to notice that this ‘exotic” custom is practiced by non-Africans?
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“This exchange between you and Abagond is revealing. The only “Black folks” that matter are the ones you feel are totally westernized. My friend, African Americans are a minority of “Black folks”, even in the Americas.” – gro jo
First and foremost, you are off topic!
Look at Gro a What; I meant to say gro jo. My friend, it would be self-beneficial for you if you’d cease advertising your abundance of ignorance for free. You should at least charge a pittance of an entertainment fee so that you may begin taking classes at the local community college. That may prove to be personally helpful for individuals such as yourself.
Moreover, your comment above was obviously fashioned within the small confines of your beautiful mind. I never said what you posted. You should at least properly quote me with quotations marks.
Furthermore, it appears to me that you also have an affinity for conversations regarding lip plates. Well, …not yours truly. You are referring to a comment that was posted under Abagond’s “Black Panther” blog post. And as a friendly reminder, the current blog post is “ADOS” (American Descendants of Slaves), not ADOSLP (American Descendants of Slaves that adorn Lip Plates).
You still never answered my question: How many so-called African Americans have you seen with a lip plate lodged within their lower lip? More than likely zero, because we are not the same people. I don’t know why are you experiencing such difficulty with this fact.
I am quite certain, that if you’d attempt to perform such an act on a so-called African American, you are going to walk away with a busted lip, my friend! In fact, I challenge you to do so.
Carry on with your bad self, …Mr. gro jo!
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“I never said what you posted. You should at least properly quote me with quotations marks.”
Carry on with your bad, and accurately quoted, self, …Mr. blakksage!
If you are going to take non-ADOS to task for their bigotry against ADOS, you must start with your on bigoted views about them.
You make a number of absurd assertions such as: “You still never answered my question: How many so-called African Americans have you seen with a lip plate lodged within their lower lip? More than likely zero, because we are not the same people. I don’t know why are you experiencing such difficulty with this fact.
I am quite certain, that if you’d attempt to perform such an act on a so-called African American, you are going to walk away with a busted lip, my friend! In fact, I challenge you to do so.”
I never claimed that African Americans and non-African American Blacks were the same people, I did claim that African Americans are not even the majority of Blacks in the Americas and I pleaded with you for understanding of the differences between yourself and other Blacks. In the process, I pointed out the hypocrisy of a certain ADOS mentality that claims that only you guys did the heavy lifting in the battle against racism. At no point did I try to minimize the bigotry of non-ADOS toward ADOS.
As a gentleman and a scholar, I needn’t remind you of the contributions of non-ADOS to African American culture. “Lift Ev’ry Voice and Sing”, a/k/a “the “Black National Anthem”” was penned by the brothers Johnson, James Weldon and John Rosamond. They were descendants of people from Nassau Bahamas and St-Domingue (present day Haiti). As a Bible thumper, I don’t see why you need me, a godless atheist, to remind you of a basic tenet of your creed: ” Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone!”
Be well my friend.
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Nothing like money to get everybody in the family fighting.
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@gro jo
OK!
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https://www.definitions.net/definition/ADOS
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/ADOS
https://www.acronymfinder.com/Military-and-Government/ADOS.html
https://www.acronymfinder.com/ADOS.html
https://www.appliedbehavioranalysisedu.org/ (ADOS)
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