Bolsonaro in Minas Gerais on September 6th 2018, right before he was stabbed by someone on a mission from God. (Via VOA News)
Jair Bolsonaro (1955- ), a Brazilian congressman from Rio, is running for president of Brazil in 2018. Opinion polls show that he is likely to win the run-off election on October 28th.
The Brazilian Trump: Like the US Trump, Bolsonaro:
- Admires Donald Trump.
- Is far-right and proto-fascist.
- Says nice things about dictatorships.
- Wants generals in his cabinet.
- Deeply divides the nation and even families.
- Makes openly racist, homophobic, xenophobic, and misogynistic comments. Therefore:
- Is heavily favoured by Whites and Evangelical Christians.
- Is running as a supposed outsider who will shake things up and clean up government.
- Accuses the press of fake news – while well-financed supporters busily spread fake news on the Internet.
- Wants to pull out of the Paris Agreement on climate change.
- Wants to scale back affirmative action.
- Believes that greater gun ownership and police violence will bring down crime.
- Wants to give police a freer hand despite their hideous rates of police brutality against Blacks.
- Is good at reaching the masses through the Internet.
- Has little understanding of economics.
- Seen as a dangerous nut by the right-wing Economist.
- Endorsed by White nationalists David Duke and Steve Bannon.
Army captain: He was an army captain under Brazil’s military dictatorship, which ruled from 1964 to 1985. Since 1991 he has been in Congress.
Lava Jato (Operation Car Wash) is a huge scandal that has overtaken Brazil’s rich and powerful, sending politicians and millionaires to prison. Even Lula, who was president from 2003 to 2010, is now in prison. The scandal has destroyed faith in the main political parties, particularly Lula’s left-wing PT, which had lifted millions out of poverty.
Bad times: On top of the scandal, 13% are now out of work. Brazil’s already high murder rate is at an all-time high, 5.5 times higher than in the US.
Enter Bolsonaro: Five years ago he was a congressman mainly known for homophobic remarks. But now, untouched by Lava Jato, he steps forward into the power vacuum left in its wake.
Fernando Haddad, of the now-discredited PT, is running against him. Haddad was mayor of São Paulo from 2013 to 2017.
Paulo Guedes is Bolsonaro’s top economic adviser. Guedes was educated at the University of Chicago and is a naked capitalist of the Milton Friedman sort.
Bolsonaristas hope Bolsonaro can restore faith in government and put the country back on the right course.
São Paulo, September 29th 2018: 150,000 protest against Bolsonaro. Click to enlarge. (Via Portal Vermelho)
#EleNão: Those against Bolsonaro fear he will destroy Brazil’s young democracy as well as turn back the clock on people who are poor, queer, female, or not White. Hashtag: #EleNão (#NotHim).
Some infamous quotes:
“The dictatorship’s mistake was to torture but not kill.”
“A policeman who does not kill is not a policeman.”
“She doesn’t deserve to be raped because she’s very ugly.”
“I’d prefer a son to die in an accident than appear with a moustacho [be gay].”
“I went to a quilombola [a settlement of African slave descendants] in Eldorado Paulista. The lightest Afro-descendant weighed seven arrobas [a unit used for livestock not humans]. They don’t do anything. They’re no use even to procreate.”
Bolsonaro and the very dark-skinned Hélio Negão, whom Bolsonaro likes to be pictured with. Neither thinks Brazil is racist. Notice the Margaret Thatcher T-shirt. (Via Black Women of Brazil)
– Abagond, 2018.
Update (October 29th): Bolsonaro won 55% of the vote. He will become the next president on January 1st 2019. His term lasts four years (till January 1st 2023).
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Abagond 
You should read what brazilians say about him, instead of white american racists say. For example:
https://www.jornaldacidadeonline.com.br/blogs/50/otto-dantas
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More unbiased opinions about Bolsonaro (neither one is a white racist american):
https://mobile.twitter.com/fernandoholiday
https://www.instagram.com/agustinofficial/?hl=pt-br
https://mobile.twitter.com/karllasilva9871
Now, put these names and Hélio in Google and read the hate speech that PT has about them.
https://eleicoes2018candidatos.com.br/candidato-deputado-federal_RJ/helio-fernando-barbosa-lopes_190000614709
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@ Alberto Monteiro
In what way is my post affected by a racist White American bias?
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@abagond
You used only one-sided sources, those that are aligned with Big Media, controlled by white racist americans
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(Paulo Quilombola talks about his candidate for the 1st round:
(https://youtu.be/tHeSBPc_o30)
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PT threated to murder Paulo Quilombola for his crime of thinking. Considering that Bolsonaro was almost killed by a member of PSOL (one of the parties that play allegiance to Lula), it’s not something to be ignored
https://www.newsatual.com/assista-presidente-das-comunidades-quilombolas-denuncia-ameaca-de-morte-por-apoiar-bolsonaro/
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@ Alberto Monteiro
Your sources are in Portuguese. Do you have any English language sources that are substantive and evenhanded?
White racist Americans agree with Bolsonaro’s tactics, positions and rhetoric. They are similar to the tactics, positions and rhetoric White supremacists employ in the USA. Therefore, your arguments are not making sense.
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@ Abagond
That image of Bolsonaro and Hélio Negão speaks volumes.
Makes me think of GWBush and Clarence Thomas. Negro window dressing.
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This is Bolsonaro’s Family. In the USA, his wife would be black (in Brazil she is white). Michelle was a single mother (the older girl is hers). He also has four sons by two other women
https://pleno.news/brasil/eleicoes-2018/bolsonaro-fala-emocionado-sobre-a-esposa-e-a-filha-laura.html
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@afrofem
So, when a white man takes a picture with a black man, this means that he is racist?
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@Alberto Monteiro
“his wife would be black (in Brazil she is white).”—This is false. From what I have seen in pictures of her she would either be white or hispanic in the USA, but not black in the slightest.
“So, when a white man takes a picture with a black man, this means that he is racist?”—Not trying to answer for Afrofem, but when a white man says racist things he is racist. A black man supporting it just shows how stupid the black man is.
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@Afrofem
The link he posted above translates to:
“Paulo Quilombola, President of the Federation of Quilombola Communities and Traditional Populations of the State of Pará, denounced that the PT is threatening members of the community who declare support for candidate Jair Bolsonaro.
Paulo also denounced the creation of ‘fake news’ by big newspapers that changed their lines and divulged lies.”
Nothing states proof he did what he is being accused of. Sounds like what abagond mentioned above about Bolsonaro’s camp creating fakenews.
https://www.newsatual.com/assista-presidente-das-comunidades-quilombolas-denuncia-ameaca-de-morte-por-apoiar-bolsonaro/
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That Helio Negão looks like those Uncle Toms and other sunken place black people that stupidly support Trump and wear those red MAGA hats here in America. It blows my mind how these racist can always find some Uncle Tom or Aunt Tomasina to support them.
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He is identical to the monster we have in the White House.
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Update: Bolsonaro won 55% of the vote. He will become the next president on January 1st 2019. His term lasts four years (till January 1st 2023).
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Alberto Monteiro
One of your sources called former president Dilma Rousseff the daughter of a whore. As far as I know her mother was a schoolteacher.
Arguably most English-language media is “aligned with Big Media, controlled by white racist americans”, but that still does not tell me how that bias affected my post.
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@ Sharina
“…when a white man says racist things he is racist. A black man supporting it just shows how stupid the black man is.”
Well said. I second that emotion.
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Racist?
http://mentiramparamimsobreojair.com/2016/05/07/5-racista/
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“@Alberto Monteiro
“his wife would be black (in Brazil she is white).”—This is false. From what I have seen in pictures of her she would either be white or hispanic in the USA, but not black in the slightest.”
Not true. You forget the very blond Walter White of the NAACP and others like him. At any rate, if this guy got 55% of the popular vote, you need to explain why 14% of the nonwhite population voted for him. Calling them uncle Toms is lazy. After all, they’ve been voting white (Lula, Rousseff) regardless of the party in power.
“Preliminary results from the 2010 census, released on Wednesday, show that 97 million Brazilians, or 50.7% of the population, now define themselves as black or mixed race, compared with 91 million or 47.7% who label themselves white.”
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@Grojo
Walter white is consider such by a choice of identity or by USA standards. No ine would look at him and state him as black. Neither would they of the several other Americans that pass as white.
Except I never called anyone uncle Tom, but stupid. People will happily vote against their own interest, especially if taught to play it safe. Happens all the time here in the united states. Prime example is people not voting out of a belief that another party has no chance.
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correction one*
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Alberto Monteiro
Again a bunch of pictures with the people he needs the votes from does not mean he is not racist. Oldest trick in the book for politicians.
Hus quote denouncing supremacist is an added bonus, but which supremacist is the question.
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Interesting read https://theintercept.com/2018/10/28/jair-bolsonaro-elected-president-brazil/?fbclid=IwAR38gNNE4pYqg3tpqi1rt058tdgC5iH7q0rPhYUOYCfpQzV6BkOMNlgORnU
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sharinalr, I only pointed out to you the fact that perfectly white people such as White have identified as ‘black’ in the USA and been accepted as such, so your objection to A. Monteiro cannot be as categorical as you phrased it. The habit of racializing political views gets one nowhere. Blacks as well as whites, are susceptible to fascist, i.e. tough guy, political propaganda.
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@gro jo
I get what you are pointing out, but I never made the claim of what a person chooses to identify as.
Alberto Monteiro Stated. “In the USA, his wife would be black.”
Unless she chose to identify as such she would not be considered black nor would she be accepted as such. More often most blacks would not be quick to consider her as such upon first glance and be weary of it even if she claimed to be. So what he said was frankly false. Even in the case of Walter he identify as negro and was able to pass as white during investigations in the southern state.
“so your objection to A. Monteiro cannot be as categorical as you phrased it.”–Actually it would, because it is not about how they choose to identify but how they would be classified in the USA.
“The habit of racializing political views gets one nowhere. Blacks as well as whites, are susceptible to fascist, i.e. tough guy, political propaganda.”—They are, but in this case we are specifically referring to the blacks that happily support a man who openly says racist things. Whites who vote for it are just as stupid if you want to argue that, but who wouldn’t support a racist if they think their skin color affords them protection?
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Multiply this by 60000 and you will understand why Brazil elected Bolsonaro
http://www.caneta.org/noticias/pai-de-familia-e-assassinado-e-degolado-por-declarar-voto-em-bolsonaro/
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@ Alberto Monteiro
I suggest that you search for webpages in English with an equivalent or similar political leaning, if you want to reach the audience in this blog. Otherwise your efforts of selling Bolsonaro (I should say, President Bolsonaro) will be in vain.
At this point in time, the most we can do is to relax and watch how the Bolsonaro’s Presidency will unfold.
Soon we will see if he meant it real when he professed his antipathy for places aside for Black students (called “cotas”) in Brazilian Universities, something that can reverse recent societal gains of Blacks and I find controversial, given the stratified character of Brazilian society and today’s position of Blacks there.
We will see also if he’ll be able to slay the corruption in the political and economic system, something that, if done, would be very good!
And we will see if he will be able also to fight drug trafficking and its ominous pressure on under-privileged areas of the large urban zones (favelas in Rio or Sao Paulo, etc). If properly done this would be also a noteworthy achievement.
Let’s see and let the man work!
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Alberto M.
What will your boy Bolsonaro do for these Brazilians?
https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/26/americas/brazil-amazon-slavery-freedom-project/index.html
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I heard about this guy from somewhere briefly. I’ve been meaning to look up more info on him since I heard his is a Trump-alike.
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@gro no
Bolsonaro didn’t comment on the increase of slavery under the PT government, except to mention the support PT gave to the slave trade of cubans.
http://www.camara.leg.br/internet/sitaqweb/TextoHTML.asp?etapa=3&nuSessao=227.4.54.O&nuQuarto=62&nuOrador=1&nuInsercao=0&dtHorarioQuarto=16:02&sgFaseSessao=GE%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&Data=14/10/2014&txApelido=JAIR%20BOLSONARO&txEtapa=Com%20reda%C3%A7%C3%A3o%20final
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Also, please stop calling the supporters of Bolsonaro as bolsonarists. As we learned from the Klingons of Star Trek, offense is an Art. It’s “bolsominions”, and the leader is O Coiso (more or less translated as The He-Thing)
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Ok, now that he has dealt with “…the support PT gave to the slave trade of cubans.” What does he intend to do for his and your fellow Brazilians, living like slaves in Brazil, or don’t you guys care about them?
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Slaving is a crime in Brazil. Like murder, rape, corruption, etc. But the legislative process is too slow, the punishments are ridículous. This is one thing he pretends to fix immediately
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Good to know. Next time, this family will steer clear of such cattle ranchers, unless hunger drives them again to the same type of exploitation. How come you didn’t accompany your comment with a link to a Brazilian article on the subject, don’t you guys discuss such shameful practice? What’s Bolsonaro’s stance on hunger, pro or con?
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Bolsonaro proposes anthropophagy to solve the hunger problem:
https://br.noticias.yahoo.com/bolsonaro-diz-que-usou-auxilio-moradia-para-comer-gente-131136800.html
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So, this is what passes for ‘wit’ among right wing pricks? Your boy is a tad touchy isn’t he? Compared to Jonathan Swift’s “A Modest Proposal”, his whine comes up short.
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@Alberto Monteiro:
Is that you Bolsonaro?
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Reblogged this on A Black Writer in Berlin and commented:
From Abagond, about Bergen-Bolsonaro’s dumb ass. More on him later.
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Some people were worried that Brazil would retrocede in time after the election of Bolsonaro.
They may be right.
Crime, that has been increasing horribly since the 1980s, show signs that it went back 28 years – a reduction of the order of 30%
https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/instituto-politeia/homicidios-2019/
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First ladies of Brazil and South Africa dancing together
https://t.co/BmHJbkpwhD
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Bolsonaro’s wife’s first job. That’s her, dressed as maccaronni. She says she’s proud of that: work dignifies.
https://portalcm7.com/noticias/brasil/mmilchelle-bolsonaro-volta-no-tempo-e-revela-fotos-de-quando-trabalhava-vestida-de-macarrao/
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@ Alberto Monteiro
How do you rate President Bolsonaro’s handling of the Covid-19 pandemic in Brazil?
a) Very good, b) Good, c) Normal, e) Bad, f) Very bad ?
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Bolsonaro is one of the few world leaders who knew, from the start, how to handle with the two crisis: the direct death toll the world would pay, and the economical chaos that would be caused by trying to stop the unstoppable.
Is there any classification better than (a) very good?
And let me warn you all: this deadly Manaus variant of the chinese virus will hit the world hard. This variant might even be able to circumvent masks or social isolation.
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@ Alberto Monteiro
Is that not one more reason to be more serious about containment of this virus?
Can the President of Brazil not be held accountable for letting the virus spread wildly endangering everybody everywhere?
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If Brazil were a democracy, then the President would have to power to do whatever it takes to contain the virus and preserve the economy.
But Brazil is like the USA: it’s not a democracy. It’s a republic. Which means that power is not in the hands of “The One” chosen by the population. There are institutions that moderate the power of the people to vote for whatever the people wants – which is a good thing; in a democracy, theoretically, the majority might vote to genocide a minority and confiscate their propriety.
Early in the pandemics, the Supreme Court ruled that the responsible for taking measures to contain the virus were the governors and the city mayors, and that the President couldn’t do anything.
So, what we have is a direct consequence of the stupid decisions taken by governors and mayors, like limiting the hours where essential services could operate (causing concentration), reducing the number of vehicles for public transportation (causing concentration), building hospitals in a hurry and destroying them after two or three months (with obvious corruption), etc.
But even with those stupid decisions, Brazil is performing much better than countries that have highter income per capta. Just look at the relative numbers: deaths/population. Brazil – and the USA – are much better than richer European countries.
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@ Alberto Monteiro
Thanks for your replies.
You brought interesting insights. For example the distinction you make between “democracy” and “republic” is very, very interesting. At least for me. I would translate your concepts in “centralized democracy” versus “decentralized democracy”. I concur with you that a “decentralized democracy” (you use the term “republic”) is a “democracy at another level”. Certainly more evolved than the centralized version.
I can say that I learnt something today.
Regarding the way the coronavirus pandemic was handled in Brazil and elsewhere I must say that I disagree with some of your points of view, so I think we must agree to disagree.
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Off-topic:
The distinction democracia X republic comes from ancient times. Greek philosophers, who were critical of Athenian-like democracies, had already pointed how easy democracies might slip into “tyrannies of the majority”. Roman republic, when it worked, was much better, and successful. But it collapsed due to the concentration of power.
Modern republics, IIRC, began in Florence, Italy.
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@ Munubantu
This catchphrase of “a republic, not a democracy” has been big in right-wing circles (both Republican and Libertarian) in the USA for several years now.
Here are some arguments against it. I’m pulling salient quotes, but all the articles go into far more detail and warrant a full read:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/yes-constitution-democracy/616949/
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Some believe that conservatives are embracing this catchphrase to justify white minority rule:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/republic-democracy-mike-lee-astra-taylor.html
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This quote comes from a publication that leans libertarian and conservative:
https://mises.org/wire/stop-saying-were-republic-not-democracy
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Historically, “democracy” and “republic” were not synonimous, otherwise the Democratic Party wouldn’t have been formed as Democratic-Republican Party:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party
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@ Solitaire
Thank you very much for your valuable input.
I´ll try to digest it as soon as I can.
At the moment some random thoughts:
1) I’m really mystified by the idea that a major party in the USA appears to try to merge its own interests with the supposed interests of a racial group (whatever the group): a major party should have a broader appeal to larger swaths of the population.
2) I don’t buy the idea that the White population in the USA will really become a minority at the middle of this century.
Maybe it depends on the definition of minority. Even in case Whites become less than 50% of the population, that would not mean that they became a minority. If they become then a minority, who would be then the majority? Not Blacks certainly. Not Hispanics either, less Native Americans or Asians. It seems that at that moment nobody will be a majority in the sense of having more than 50% of the population. Maybe what will change is the perception by Whites that the USA is mainly “their country” replaced by a new understanding that “they are one group side by side with others” within the USA. I’m not sure that that would be an improvement compared to today’s situation* because that could mean a place where different groups will live side by side, competing for the available resources in a kind of zero-sum game (in my bad dreams, I call this, “the dystopia of the Balkanized land”). At least today you have a solid majority to whom you can ask for fairness and can expect it doing, to some extent, something at that direction. But maybe I’m being naive here…
It is my understanding that the USA society will likely adjust itself with an “enlargement” of the definition of what it is a White person and maintaining most of its current societal ways (Abagond has a few posts about possible “enlargements” of that kind)
*I’m thinking about the situation of USA Blacks, in particular.
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@ Alberto Monteiro
Did you read your own source?
“In the 1790s, political parties were new in the United States and people were not accustomed to having formal names for them. There was no single official name for the Democratic-Republican Party, but party members generally called themselves Republicans and voted for what they called the “Republican party”, “republican ticket” or “republican interest”….The term “Democratic-Republican” was used by contemporaries only occasionally, but is used by some modern sources….”
Therefore your statement that the party was formed as the Democratic-Republican Party is incorrect. At the time, there was no official name under which the party was formed, and most members called it the Republican Party, so it actually tells us very little about how most people at the time defined republic and democracy.
“The Democratic-Republican Party saw itself as a champion of republicanism and denounced the Federalists as supporters of monarchy and aristocracy.”
To me, the real opposite of republic is monarchy. In modern times, some monarchies are considered to also be representative democracies, such as Britain which is currently termed a parliamentary democracy under a constitutional monarchy. Britain is not a republic; the USA is. Both are modern democracies.
“But Brazil is like the USA: it’s not a democracy. It’s a republic. Which means that power is not in the hands of “The One” chosen by the population.”
Name one present-day democracy where all the power is given to “The One” instead of being divided between the leader (president, prime minister, chancellor) and a representative body (congress, parliament, assembly).
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@ Munubantu
“It seems that at that moment nobody will be a majority in the sense of having more than 50% of the population.”
I agree. White people will no longer have a statistical majority, but they will still be the largest single group. However, many white people are freaking out about losing the statistical majority. Not just recently either, but for the last few decades.
“Maybe what will change is the perception by Whites that the USA is mainly “their country” replaced by a new understanding that “they are one group side by side with others” within the USA. I’m not sure that that would be an improvement compared to today’s situation because that could mean a place where different groups will live side by side, competing for the available resources in a kind of zero-sum game (in my bad dreams, I call this, “the dystopia of the Balkanized land”).”*
Honestly, I think this is how many white people already view things. They feel that they are having to compete with POC in ways they didn’t used to have to.
“At least today you have a solid majority to whom you can ask for fairness and can expect it doing, to some extent, something at that direction. But maybe I’m being naive here…”
I’m not sure I would call it naive but a misconception of how things feel here. My sense is that most people of color don’t feel this is true but rather that the white majority can’t be trusted to move towards fairness. Yes, there have been moves in that direction but it’s taken more than asking. It’s taken legal battles and public protests and constant political activism.
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@ Solitaire
Thanks again for taking your time to address my questions.
I’ve read that at the second half of the 19th century, as slavery was being outlawed in large part of South America, the elites there decided to carry out an extensive program of immigration of Europeans, with a openly stated goal of make their societies as White as possible.
They believed that only with a significantly large White population, their societies could function, could be civilized.
The consequence for the former slaves was to be pushed to the outskirts of the new societies, situation that influenced their status until today.
Following the ideas you expressed in your comment above, it seems that now, at least for the White population of the USA (or part of that population) is not anymore a question of maintaining the “right” demographic make-up in order to sustain civilization but more importantly to sustain power, because civilization will be preserved anyway whatever the colors.
This is indeed a “brave new world” as Aldous Huxley would say. Some things change apparently, but remain the same in the core.
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@ Munubantu
“Following the ideas you expressed in your comment above, it seems that now, at least for the White population of the USA (or part of that population) is not anymore a question of maintaining the “right” demographic make-up in order to sustain civilization but more importantly to sustain power, because civilization will be preserved anyway whatever the colors.”
Certainly some of the white population would like to reinstate the immigration limits that existed here prior to 1965, which were designed to favor white Europeans and only allowed a very small number of immigrants from elsewhere. Biff struck me as being one of those types. And there are some who would go farther, who want to deport everyone who isn’t white.
But even those people who would like to return to pre-1965 immigration restrictions are generally aware that it is a very unpopular idea and therefore isn’t likely to happen. So they seem to be concentrating on how to stay in power despite the demographic changes. An enlargement of whiteness is one possibility. Suppressing the POC vote is another tactic. Also they want to prevent illegal immigrants — including those who were children brought here by their parents — from becoming citizens and gaining the right to vote.
I’m not entirely sure they believe civilization will be preserved whatever the colors. You may remember that Biff often predicted the USA would collapse if current trends continued. He argued that POC were unable to belong to Western Civilization or feel ownership of it, and would ultimately destroy it.
Perhaps you meant they believe civilization will endure no matter the demographics as long as white people remain in control? In that case, I think you’re mostly correct, but I don’t believe this is their ideal scenario. If they can convince the voters to support measures designed to slow down non-white immigration (like building that wall on the Mexican border), they’ll do it.
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@ Solitaire
I just watched a video-clip where a researcher of political violence and its underpinnings worldwide, speaks about the January 6th riot in Washington and presents some of his findings. It’s worrying to say the least.
Some points:
the majority of the rioters were White men (more than 80%);
their average age was greater than 38 years;
they are on average people with good jobs, some even CEO of companies;
only few of them belong to militia groups or could be seen as “lone wolves” of some kind;
the major motivation they cited for their participation in the riot was the fear of the “great replacement”, i.e., the believe that evil forces are plotting in the dark to replace the White American population by people of other colors, especially coming from the Third World;
they obviously believe that the American Presidential election last year was stolen and Donald Trump was/is the true winner.
This is worrisome and validates some of the things you said in our dialog above. It confirms also what Afrofem said in the thread about that insurrection, namely that,
I was already aware of the fact that former President Trump enjoys a large following in the American electorate, but it struck me as strange that many White citizens really believe that there is something going on as that “great replacement”. Anyway I would recommend them to react to that fear, procreating more, that is, making more White babies, to counter the tendency they see of a coming deluge of non-Whites in their country. By the way I would suggest something similar to the Black population as it seems to me that the segment of the American population that is benefiting more from immigration, are Hispanics.
There is no need for violence.
The video-clip I was talking can be see in,
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dskVval50AE)
P.S.:
In first half of 90’s the Republic of South Africa underwent a change from White minority rule to democracy (also dubbed Black majority rule because being the Black population the majority, a party that commands its allegiance is more likely to win than others).
A group of mainly middle aged White men, reacted fiercely, before that change occurred. They joined the AWB, Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging, and attempted various times, to disrupt the process of negotiations leading to the first general election at the country.
They guiding motive was obviously the fear of transfer of power to a Black majority by the democratic process. Their profile and actions remembers me what happened in the USA more than 20 years later, although there are many differences in these two societies.
For more details see the Wikipedia article about the AWB, and in particular, the chapters entitled “During the end of apartheid” and “Bophuthatswana crisis”. See, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaner_Weerstandsbeweging
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@ Munubantu
“I just watched a video-clip where a researcher of political violence and its underpinnings worldwide, speaks about the January 6th riot in Washington and presents some of his findings…. This is worrisome and validates some of the things you said in our dialog above. It confirms also what Afrofem said in the thread about that insurrection”
Yes, it’s very disturbing.
“the major motivation they cited for their participation in the riot was the fear of the ‘great replacement’, i.e., the believe that evil forces are plotting in the dark to replace the White American population by people of other colors, especially coming from the Third World…. it struck me as strange that many White citizens really believe that there is something going on as that ‘great replacement’.”
I don’t know where to find estimated numbers, but my gut feeling is that while many White Americans do have concerns about becoming a statistical minority, far fewer actually believe in the great replacement conspiracy theory, “that evil forces [i.e. Jews, the Illuminati, global elites, Satanists, or reptilian aliens] are plotting in the dark to replace the White American population.”
In my experience, most who are concerned about becoming a statistical minority don’t believe in a secret evil conspiracy, but rather that this is the unintended result of poorly thought-out changes to immigration policies over the last 50 years. They also tend to have a false image of what immigration and border control was like in the past, imagining that it was more stringent and that immigrants assimilated far more quickly, neither of which is historically accurate.
However, one result of Trump’s MAGA movement and Q-Anon is during the last few years a lot more people have become exposed to the great replacement conspiracy theory, and I’m sure over the last four or five years there’s been a sizable uptick in the percent who believe in it.
It seems to me that Biff used the phrase “the great replacement” at least a couple times in his comments, or quoted from material that did. In my opinion, he is a really good example right here on this blog of the type of individual described in the video you linked to. And according to long-time posters, he used to be more rational (although still a conservative racist), so he may also be a good example of someone who has been radicalized by recent exposure to these types of conspiracy theories.
While I don’t want to downplay the seriousness of the capitol rioters or the dangers they pose, that can be balanced somewhat by the realization that the rioters thought they were going to be joined by thousands and thousands of like-minded “patriots” flooding in to help them — and they weren’t. Their attempt at an armed insurrection failed miserably. Their brand of extreme radicalism is not as widespread as they believed.
“Anyway I would recommend them to react to that fear, procreating more, that is, making more White babies, to counter the tendency they see of a coming deluge of non-Whites in their country.”
They’ve already thought that one out, a long time ago. Unfortunately it’s led them to some very sexist beliefs about women’s rights to control their own fertility and to work outside the home. Some of them even support taking away women’s right to vote.
“By the way I would suggest something similar to the Black population as it seems to me that the segment of the American population that is benefiting more from immigration, are Hispanics.”
I don’t disagree, but just want to add a gentle reminder that Hispanics can also be Black. However, yes, the general impression here is that Hispanics of Indigenous heritage (part or whole) are immigrating in great numbers and having large families. But I don’t know if there’s actually been an attempt to break down Hispanic immigration by racial categories.
“A group of mainly middle aged White men, reacted fiercely, before that change occurred. They joined the AWB, Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging, and attempted various times, to disrupt the process of negotiations leading to the first general election at the country. They guiding motive was obviously the fear of transfer of power to a Black majority by the democratic process. Their profile and actions remembers me what happened in the USA more than 20 years later, although there are many differences in these two societies.”
It also reminds me of what happened here over 150 years ago, after the Civil War. The population of some former Confederate states had outright Black majorities. In the rest of the former Confederacy, most of the White men temporarily lost their right to vote and hold office because they had rebelled against the Union, so Black men, who now had the right to vote, held a statistical majority at the polls. Just as with the AWB, southern Whites formed organizations like the Ku Klux Klan to disrupt fair elections and intimidate Black politicians through terrorism and violence. They were able to prevail, and it took another 100 years for things to begin to change with the Civil Rights Movement.
I hope and pray we won’t slide backwards again. It’s being fought out right now in the legislatures and the courts where attempts are being made to suppress the POC vote. But hopefully we will thwart these undemocratic efforts and also prevent any old-style violent voter intimidation.
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