Normalizing Trump (fl. 2015- ) is the process by which the US adjusts to the fact that its president will soon be an openly racist, proto-fascist, right-wing nut,
- where those who were once beyond the pale, like Steve Bannon and Jeff Sessions, are now centre-pale;
- where the right-wing nuts of old, like Glenn Beck, now sound like the voice of reason;
- where Republicans are almost all falling behind Trump like sheep;
- where White Evangelical Protestants no longer regard character as an important quality in presidents.
The press is wringing its hands over this – and acting brand new. As if they were not the ones who gave Donald Trump centre stage for over a year, who put him on television coast-to-coast, all day, all night, giving him free media time worth more than McDonald’s entire US advertising budget. Before a single vote was cast, it was the press that put this Looney Tune on the same level as actual, serious Republican governors and senators, on the same level as Hillary Clinton, pushing a false equivalence by their actions if not their words, making a conman seem like an Okay Guy. Only towards the end did they suddenly remember, oh, yeah, journalism, facts, that stuff. It was too little too late.
Journalists are supposed to be, or so I was told by my high school English teacher, Guardians of Democracy. Or something like that. But somewhere they lost their Secret Magic Decoder Rings and became the guardians of a circus. They became the hangers-on of a carnival barker and outright flimflam artist. They noticed his strangely coloured flesh and hair and remarked upon it several times, but that did not wake them up. They wanted so badly to get on the Trump Gravy Train.
CBS Chairman Les Moonves in February 2016 during the state primaries:
“It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS.”
And it is only going to get worse. In the name of “access” they are going to kiss up to him, go easy on him, all but make him a saint and a Great American in a Great-Again America. I saw this movie before: it was called “Ronald Reagan and the New York Times” (1987).
The euphemisms have already begun:
- “racism” becomes “populism” and “telling it like it is”,
- neo-Nazis become “alt-right”,
- “fake news” becomes “alternative news”,
- “racist Whites” become “the distressed White working class” (sniff),
- “Give racism a chance” becomes “Give Trump a chance”
and so on.
Trump’s rise to power should make crystal clear that the racism of the US in the 1960s did not magically disappear – poof! Instead it was handed down under a thin veneer of political correctness. But because of the White Innocence Project, that Whites and their tap dancers are so blinded by, many will still not see it. They will make all kinds of excuses and deflections. His rise to power is about class or, suddenly, out of the clear blue sky, the TPP – by people who call it the TTP.
/rant off.
– Abagond, 2016.
See also:
- “It’s not about racism” – sub-rant
- Donald Trump
- White Evangelical Protestants
- Hillary Clinton
- The press
- fake news
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You’ve been ranting for days now. How about writing something of substance?
“Trump’s rise to power should make crystal clear that the racism of the US in the 1960s did not magically disappear – poof! Instead it was handed down under a thin veneer of political correctness.”
Sounds like you swallowed the illusion hook, line, and sinker. Who’s more politically correct than you? Hispanic, Asian, etc. months. You were unhappy with Jonah Goldberg’s writing, I suggested you take up the Jacques challenge. Like that gentleman, you failed to rewrite the article you didn’t like!
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Racism didn’t magically disappear, but neither did the rights won in the 1960s. That’s a battle that’s ongoing. Your funk over HRC’s loss contributes nothing positive to it. GET OVER IT.
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that’s funny, my wife just this morning was saying, oh well the other presidents have all been bad and so forth, there is a ‘viral verbal meme’ out there or something on the net
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and right? what does extreme right wing mean again now?
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they put a new tape in the psyops projector just for trump now
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conspiracy theories? please, it’s overt
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“Trump’s rise to power should make crystal clear that the racism of the US in the 1960s did not magically disappear”
Then racism hadn’t disappeared when Obama became president either. I don’t think Trump’s win illuminates a reality we did not know.
Anyway, it seems that if one doesn’t join a choir screaming “racism”, “racism”, “thats the only explanation” then they’re “tap dancing”.
So I’ll tap-dance my way out of this topic so people of like minds can enjoy reinforcing each other.
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bbc news today was all over the tpp thing, apparently it’s job one for the trump administration
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The MSM has never been a friend to black people going back two centuries. What did you expect? Honest journalism is a myth. Yes and again yes, the Main Stream Media contributed greatly to Trump as it did in years past to racism. Wake up!! Why is this news worthy? Abagond, you’re in danger of busting a gut. Slow your roll. This time in history had to happen. It’s just unfortunate that we have to live through it.
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If you Hillary supporters didn’t want Trump, you should have stood up to the DNC when they cheated fellow conman/snake, Bernie, out of the nomination. Instead, he and you ignored it and backed someone you should have known was unelectable anywhere outside New York. She couldn’t even carry her own state of Arkansas…
“Trump’s rise to power should make crystal clear that the racism of the US in the 1960s did not magically disappear ”
LOL! Every sane person in the US already knows racism did not “magically disappear”. It’s only irrational Hillary supporters who pretend Trump’s election changed anything.
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@Abagond…“Journalists are supposed to be, or so I was told by my high school English teacher, Guardians of Democracy. Or something like that. But somewhere they lost their Secret Magic Decoder Rings and became the guardians of a circus…They wanted so badly to get on the Trump Gravy Train.
CBS Chairman Les Moonves in February 2016 during the state primaries:
“It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS.”
And it is only going to get worse. In the name of “access” they are going to kiss up to him, go easy on him, all but make him a saint and a Great American in a Great-Again America.”
You’re dead-on and right on time Abagond:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-network-anchors-meeting_us_583333f6e4b058ce7aac3fc0
Greenwald’s right when he says in his piece today, “It’s difficult to identify the shabbiest and sorriest aspect of this spectacle…”
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/22/media-stars-agree-to-off-the-record-meeting-with-trump-break-agreement-whine-about-mistreatment/) —
Here’s a link to the piece where they ran to Remnick at The New Yorker tellin’ on Donald:
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trump-personally-blasts-the-press?mbid=nl_161122_Daily&CNDID=17753256&spMailingID=9922255&spUserID=MTMzMTc5NjY1NDExS0&spJobID=1041767324&spReportId=MTA0MTc2NzMyNAS2on-the-record”
Oh! And let’s not forget this: (https://youtu.be/PXulmNYLs7Y)
And the White Supremacist Capitalist Patriarchal shit-show continues…
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There is no need to normalize anything that was never really considered unusual in the first place.
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@ Deb
Good to see you here and on the case.
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@abagond
“out of the clear blue sky”…
I guess I could go back and dig up the article from long before election day where the author, eye witness to the rallies, asserted that the TTP, or the TPP as some call it, was the central focus of Trumps rallies and that this was a large part of his appeal. . But why bother. You’re just going to have to take my word for it. Others have said the Trump rallies were misrepresented by MSM and were made to appear more racist than they were by agents provocateurs. From what I know of the biased press and Clinton’s dirty manipulative tricks, this is quite plausible.
Whatever. It doesn’t conform to your cookie cutter meme that everybody who voted for Trump did so because they are racists (even black folks). But it didn’t come out of the clear blue sky. The reason it’s news to you is that you paid no attention to the contents of Trump’s speeches and didn’t know that that, the TTP or as some call it the TPP, was at the center of his campaign.
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@Afrofem…Hey Sis, how you be??!! Though my damned life just keeps on spinning (something for which I should probably be grateful cuz it means I’m still here!) — I’m always lurking! This past, almost two years of “election season” has worn my old ass out, but I try to keep up.😊 Good to see you too…
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This “everyone does it” argument, of course, is used to excuse slavery and the slave trade. It was used to excuse the scandals of Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton. It is a standard technique of the morally blind.
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I remember a year ago or so when my husband told me Trump would win and I didn’t believe it. In fact, I laughed.
Journalist were having a field day with Trump because his antics sell. However, the joke backfired. It was clear months ago, if not more. The moment he actually started gaining any real power in the race and was not just a clown running for the president as a joke.
That being said, I believe journalists have a very important role now, and many are failing. Now, I don’t follow American news outlets closely so correct me if I’m wrong, but there is a LOT of this normalizing talk (along the lines of the comic above). THIS is where it gets even more dangerous because NOW is the time for media to fight back, and fight back seriously. You just can’t afford this “wait and see” tactic. Anti-Trump media (if there are media outlets who are anti-Trump; well, I hope so; there have to be at least a few), anti-Trump media has to go in with force. In times like this, it is dangerous and even morally questionable, I’d say, to be neutral or to “be nice with everyone and just get along”. I know it might be dangerous for individuals to openly state their anti-Trump sentiments but media has to do it. It is the only way.
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I like Trump.He’s high energy. That’s really good, and makes him better than a choker like Bush , Romney or Obama in my honest opinion. Based on his (minders) economic policies, America will become a lot like Kansas. So the real question is -how do we make money of off this? Some serious economic forecasts please. Remember, just because you’re black doesn’t mean you can’t be rich.
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To think that I forgot an important aspect of Satan Theory. How do Black Americans increase their political power at local , state and federal level during the next 8 years? No sense rolling up into a ball and crying like suicidal, bipolar little pickannies now is it? Time to get rolling people!
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Immediately how Satan force thinks.
To his point about increasing wealth and political influence under Trump:
If Trump does over stimulate the economy that means that after the boom there will be a bust.
So if real estate prices peak and you were in an upside down mortgage then sell and get out. If your equity increase significantly over the next three years that’s a real estate bubble so sell, bank the profit and buy back in once the housing market corrects.
During boom cycles don’t get caught up in the euphoria and save as much cash as you can. As a community you want to have the cash to buy up properties and other assets that white Trump supporters once had.
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*I like how Satanforce thinks
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Easy, just do what Carl Icahn, Wilbur Ross, etc. do before they do it.
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@satanforce
“So the real question is -how do we make money of off this?”
Since I’m still not convinced a Republican Congress is going to approve a hefty Trump stimulus package, and the anticipated December Fed rate hike will have a significant impact on the stock market, I’d get ready to short the markets after the December meeting and load up on gold (and silver) stocks.
If by chance Republicans show how fiscally unconservative they are, Dr. Copper will continue to be a good bet.
“How do Black Americans increase their political power at local , state and federal level during the next 8 years? ”
Stop voting for Democrats (including black Democrats) and form a completely separate political party focused on black economic empowerment.
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@gro jo
If you invested in the proxy for Carl Icahn, IEP, this time last year, you’d have lost half your money.
And don’t forget Wilbur Ross told us $90 oil was both “cheap” and a “gift” before it tumbled all the way to $30 (when I thought it was a cheap gift).
You might want to find two other white men to worship.
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resw, you humorless creature you. Trust you to miss the joke in my comment.
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So, you’re a gold bug eh? I always knew you were buggy, now I know the variety of your malfunction.
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Why not zinc?
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@gro jo
“resw, you humorless creature you. Trust you to miss the joke in my comment.”
Right, anything to wipe the egg off your face.
“So, you’re a gold bug eh?”
Unlike you, I’m not superficial.
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You serious little minx, you’re so cute when you pretend to be serious. Ok, let’s be serious. I see you like copper, why and at what price? How much gain is there left in a copper play? I hope you aren’t playing your usual silly game of denying what you assert.
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I’m still waiting on your reaction to my query on zinc.
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@gro jo
“I see you like copper, why and at what price?”
You still haven’t learned to read, I see.
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So the real question is -how do we make money of off this? Some serious economic forecasts please.
Invest in Maalox,Vaseline and Kleenex! Oh, and opiates.
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@michael
Me too. But with regards to your other comment I think its a bit too general. Which is inevitable, as President-Elect Trump is too much of an unknown entity to make more precise judgements. So, in my best Illuminati Conspiracy Villain Voice, “No! We wait, for now….”
@resw
“No! We wait, for now….”
But seriously, with the collapse of the Obama coalition, we must wait and see what political moves will be taken by either party. In the meantime, thought leaders akin to the alt-right must be created. No ,I don’t mean the Black Lives Matter movement. That bunch of anarcho-homosexual nihilists seem only concerned with chanting slogans and aiming for goals that will be grasped but never held. Besides, the America’s two party system is the world’s strongest. Its too strong. What I mean is :
1. a repeat of the alt-right rising – think alt-black,, alt-Vlad TV using twitter and actual websites (yes, you pay your 300 USD at HostGator, not blogs). You can work from bottom-up using imageboard chans and boorus (blackchan, blackbooru) for recruits and to make memes. Something like that would be good for indoctrination. It would help to consolidate black twitter and other black blogs that are not in the mainstream of the pseudoscience, pseudohistory and Sotomayor type self-hatred and wierdo stuff that has overtaken black discussion.
2. I don’t like Black Economic Empowerment. It goes against Satan Theory. Whats the point of setting up a business when the government can come and eminent domain your property (read about Richard Posner) because they need the space to build the LULZWALL? This was already done in Oakland when they government destroyed the black businesses in order to make the BART rail. Besides, 8 years is just the first few years of a generational project for economic power. Political power is already at hand. It just needs to be organized – then used.
If black Americans are to rebuild the Obama Coalition, it must be done with Grassroots advertising, and simple slogans (“memes”) that can get through to the old group. That is, the actual group, not the SJW outliers. More importantly they will have to reach out to people who are usually thought of as undesirables. This can also include competing factions in opposing groups. Look at the OathKeepers. There was division between the Ex-Special Forces section of the group , who wanted to arm and give skills to blacks in Baltimore, and the Ex-Police Force section who were virulently against this. Why weren’t any black groups exploiting this division? Another is the National Rifle Association. After the Dallas Police shooting the NRA podcast had the organizer of the group called “Black Guns Matter”. In fact , it seems to me that they have been trying to have some outreach to blacks for sometime. Whether that may payoff is yet to be seen. One thing is for sure, gun clubs that have been having trouble with outreach to blacks have been having less of a problem with the election of Trump.
No I must go. We have things here to do. Just paid to sign up with my local political party, and rebuilding links with my Kiwanis club. Much work to do over here. See you all in a few.
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@satanforce
“But seriously, with the collapse of the Obama coalition, we must wait and see what political moves will be taken by either party. ”
Please. We already know what both parties will do: whatever is in the interest of maintaining white supremacy.
” I don’t like Black Economic Empowerment.”
Wow, you don’t like blacks being economically empowered. Thanks for identifying yourself.
No wonder a racist like michaeljonbarker likes the way you think.
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@Resw
Yawn …
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@michaeljonbarker
I know, none of you are ever racist–you just like saying racist things: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/11/23/programming-note-30/#comment-359968
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The thing is, whenever I hear the phrase “Black Economic Empowerment”, it is always reactive ie. when Asians or immigrants start businesses in black communities etc. Its like blacks want to be a nation of shopkeepers. So instead foreigners selling liquor and cigarettes,, its black doing this. Kind of like middle-class blacks screwing over poor blacks. Remember, most of the remaining NWA are middle class, and have some tertiary education, Suge Knight and Puff Daddy have college degrees, and C Delores Tucker was a slumlord. It is never connected to a sustainable, realistic plan.
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@Herneith
Definitely opiates. White people will sell their soul to get that stuff.
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@satanforce
Despite your opinion, black economic empowerment is not synonymous with becoming “shopkeepers,” not that there’s anything wrong with owning a shop.
People are going to purchase things whether you agree with those purchases or not. I’d rather poor blacks give their money to other blacks than making white, yellow and brown people rich.
But economic empowerment is actually about control of one’s capital and resources. And that goes well beyond “shopkeepers.”
So unless you have a problem with Jewish or non-Jewish whites or Chinese people controlling their capital and resources, which they do, then you should have no problem with blacks controlling their own capital and resources, which they don’t.
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“@gro jo
If you invested in the proxy for Carl Icahn, IEP, this time last year, you’d have lost half your money.
And don’t forget Wilbur Ross told us $90 oil was both “cheap” and a “gift” before it tumbled all the way to $30 (when I thought it was a cheap gift).
You might want to find two other white men to worship.”
Ouch. You sure know how to hurt a guy. You can take the dominatrix out of the dungeon but you can’t take the dungeon out of her!
So, you judge an investment based on a one year period! No wonder you ended up trolling for Trump for tuppence!
I gave you a chance to be serious and you blew it. You can’t say at what price copper is a good buy or sell. You suck as an investment advisor.
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Resw said
“I know, none of you are ever racist–you just like saying racist things:”
I wasn’t aware that calling out white people who are pretending to be black was racist. The only people who would be offended by this would be white people so thanks for continuing to affirm my suspicions.
Abagond’s blog is a game to you and you are roll playing. In this RPG you have chosen a black avatar but in gaming you would be identified as a “griever”, someone who gets their kicks trolling and annoying other players. To your detriment though you neglected to acquire empathy as that’s lacking in the profile you chose.
You posses an intellectual understanding of racism yet over the years here you have not shown empathy towards fallen POC. Yes you can argue for the anti racist cause but its through the mind of a white person.
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@gro jo
If you want investment advice, you can sign a retainer and wire sufficient funds tomorrow.
@michaeljonbarker
“I wasn’t aware that calling out white people who are pretending to be black was racist.”
Oh don’t worry, that’s not a shocker. White supremacists like you never know what’s going on.
Seeing as though you don’t know my gender or race, it’s clear you’re basing your ignorant conclusions on your racist stereotypes of black women. So tell us which of those stereotypes I’m supposedly “imitating”?
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@Resw
It’s not your avatar I’m looking at. I’m looking behind your avatar and their resides a white person.
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@michaeljonbarker
How’d I know you would cower from your racist comment…so I’m acting too white for you to be black, eh?
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@michaeljonbarker
I so agree. resw made her background clear in this comment with these gems:
“[White Supremacy] has nothing to do with policy or Trump’s platform. Nor does it represent all his supporters. […]
But it’s funny that whenever there’s a discussion about the issues, anti-Trump people can’t stick to facts. It’s always something about racism because that’s what the media feeds you. And it works. Perhaps that’s the same reason some of those proud white supremacists have flocked to him. […]
Let’s see, you just accused [Trump] of racism and said white Supremacists support him. If he’s scamming everyone, then he must not be a racist populist.”
A disruptive, pro-Trump White troll hiding in plain sight…always eluding, derailing and deflecting.
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Me calling you out as white troll threatens your sense of self worth thus your eagerness to make it about my racism. I am a racist who attempts to be self aware. And that’s why I’m able to see right through you.
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@michaeljonbarker
“I am a racist who attempts to be self aware.”
Glad you finally identified yourself as the racist you are. But I guess we’re to believe you’re the good kind. Well if that were true, you wouldn’t have disrupted a constructive dialogue about black economic empowerment to show that you don’t like it. Sorry, but blacks will be your slaves no more…except maybe Afrofem. You can keep him or her.
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@resw and michael
The protocol for removing traitors and informers has already been put in place- not that either of you need to understand it. If they are suspected – not identified – just suspected, they will be isolated and re-COINTELPROed. That is all. Have had similar IRL issues both at work and in community. Anywhoo, if Trump indeed goes immediately to worst case scenario, and we all end up living in the Parable of the Sower, Abagond would be immediately took down – and you all would have much bigger IRL problems anyway.
Given the situation, what are the realistic social changes that will happen during the MAGA? Keep the discussion focused, but high energy.
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You have been exposed as a fraud Resw.
Your actions disrupt threads, sows discontent and subtly propagandizes a white centric view while you pretend to be “black”.
Your contelpro has been a long time in making.
When you first came to this blog you focused on obvious racists and debated them with facts, figures and statistics. That was to gain other posters trust and it kept you entertained as winning those arguments was fun. But you became bored and moved towards a more challenging target and that was the minds of other black posters. It is this corruption of trust and ethics that should get you banned.
This isn’t about shutting down opposing ideas or interfering with free speech. This is about ejecting a fraud intent on lies, misinformation and manipulation.
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@resw
Deleted comment for name calling.
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@satanforce I was just about to say ‘you don’t really expect us to believe trump will moderate or cut off parts of the internet!’ and then i just went to cnn real quick:
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@michaeljonbarker
“When you first came to this blog you focused on obvious racists and debated them with facts, figures and statistics. That was to gain other posters trust and it kept you entertained as winning those arguments was fun. But you became bored and moved towards a more challenging target and that was the minds of other black posters.”
When I read some of resw’s comments from 2012 – 2015, I was struck by her use of facts, logic and clear arguments. Even when confronting the most emphatic bigots, resw (then resw77) rarely resorted to namecalling and obvious falsehoods. Sometimes there was a sharp edge to her comments, but they were generally intelligent and informative.
The Trump candidacy seemed to push resw over the edge. He seems to have been the fuse for a lot of White bigots to burn off their masks and show their true faces. While it felt good to them to ditch those masks, they forget how exposed they are now.
Satanforce is correct that we may be facing a terrifying Parable of the Sower near term future. One silver lining in a very dark storm cloud is that Black folk will begin to see everyone as they truly are just to survive. In the process, perhaps Black people will revive parts of themselves that have lain dormant for decades——-like community.
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More information about Octavia E. Butler’s prophetic books, Parable of the Sower and Parable of the Talents:
http://www.openroadmedia.com/ebook/parable-of-the-sower/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/octavia-butler-predicted-make-america-great-again_us_5776d9dce4b0416464100242
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satanforce says “I like Trump.He’s high energy. That’s really good, and makes him better than a choker like Bush , Romney or Obama in my honest opinion.”
Yet no one calls him a troll or a Trump non fan or says that Trump is his hero. Interesting that.
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@abagond
I know, you have to protect your white racist Hillary supporters who have also been “name-calling”.
@michaeljonbarker
The only one “exposed” was you for the racist you’ve finally admitted to being.
You haven’t proven a thing about me, as desperately as you and your lackey have tried. Better luck next time.
@nomad
“Yet no one calls him a troll or a Trump fan…”
You can’t attempt to rationalise abagond and her Hillary supporters. Their hypocrisy has been proven over and over.
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I’m sure Satanforce will be amused that Resw and Nomad took his satire seriously.
“America will become a lot like Kansas.” lol
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@michaeljonbarker
Sorry I don’t get white racist inside jokes.
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@Resw
Maybe you should call out Satanforce about his white racist jokes lmao
https://satanforce.wordpress.com/
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@resw
“You can’t attempt to rationalise abagond and her Hillary supporters.”
Hillary supporters? What a hoot!
Habeas Corpus, resw. Produce the bodies (actual quotes of support) of five “Hillary Supporters” in the Abagond commentariat. They have to be true supporters and admirers, not people resigned to voting for the lesser evil.
Do some actual work, instead of sniping and blowing hot air…prove your assertions with five quotes of “Hillary supporters.”
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@michaeljonbarker
Irrelevant.
@afrofem
I didn’t ask nor do I care why you voted for your girl Hillary, but at the end of the day, you voted for her and that makes you a “supporter”.
Now, when are you gonna let the white racist fight his own battles and stop rushing to his defence? Trust me, you’re not getting any from him.
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Very good points. I fully believe, It can happen here.
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“I’m sure Satanforce will be amused that Resw and Nomad took his satire seriously. ”
oh sure. he was just joking.
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Everyone needs to remember that I’m the good guy here. You all can trust me.
Please re-check that post, especially that part about worst case Remember all the global level disaster and disease epidemics that brought Butler’s world to its state. My scenario is more “run on the US dollar. rising food prices leading to starvation, repeat of the oil embargo, all the above leading to 600 million human dieback. etc.” Nothing nearly as bad as science fiction. Realistic scenaria like that.
But I really do like Trump. I also like sop operas. The real life versions best. My favorite American president is also Richard Nixon. I am also not an American citizen. I am also applying (legally) for a green card. I don’t like having people ahead of me in that line. Make of that what you will. The fact is, if there were Democrats like him, America would probably be a sci-fi utopia by now. Because some problems, you just have grab by the pussy and get the damn thing done. Except, of course, the Democrats are the ones getting grabbed.*
They’ve always been doing that. Hell, even Abagond got a scare once.
*Satanforce , in now supports, and actively condemns non consensual pussy-grabbing. Always ask for consent, and remember to use a safe-word.
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@Resw
I’m not fighting a battle because this blog isn’t a RPG. You forget that not all posters are roll playing like you.
You would know that neither I nor Afrofem voted for Hillary if you had been paying attention.
I know that you are white pretending to be Black and called that out. That’s my opinion and that doesn’t need to be proven.
How you handled the conversation in this thread merely strengthened the case that you are white. Of course you will continue to bring up what a white racist I am but that’s all you got and a deflection away from the white troll hiding in plain sight.
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@michaeljonbarker
so you’ve been falsely accused of supporting an unsavory presidential candidate. I wonder what that feels like?
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@michaeljonbarker
“I know that you are a white person pretending to be black and called that out. That’s my opinion and it doesn’t need to be proven.”
Lol. That’s a dumb thing to say since you can’t possibly know what you can’t prove. And again it’s a racist thing to say since you don’t know what my race is, as I haven’t stated it on this blog.
So then tell us how black people are supposed to handle this conversation. And again what are your racist stereotypes of black people that I’m supposedly imitating?
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satanforce says “I like Trump.He’s high energy. That’s really good, and makes him better than a choker like Bush , Romney or Obama in my honest opinion.”
Yet no one calls him a troll or a Trump non fan or says that Trump is his hero. Interesting that.
Which goes to my point. People here are not upset with me for my imagined but unadmitted for Trump. It’s because of my disgust with Hillary. I don’t know why that upset them so. From my way of thinking, as black people, they should be disgusted too. That’s why I call them Hillarions. Because they still think she was the lesser evil.
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Your sure seem to take the opinion of a person you view as a white supremacist way to seriously. Why the need to win this argument ? Why is it so important too you ?
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@Nomad.
People get stuck in Dichotomous thinking.
You never bothered me but it did seem you were a single issue poster and I was burned out on the elelctions.
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@michaeljonbarker
Great deflection from your racist comment (again).
“Why the need to win this argument”
Well at least you know who won.
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Remember the coon debate Resw ? You left.the impression that you were black and that was why it was OK for you to call Black people coons.
Now now you are saying that you are neither Black nor white. So which is it ? You can be Black sometimes when you use words that would be considered racist if white people used them ?
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Yep. It shouldn’t have bothered you. Or these other folks either. You were burned out? I guess I wasn’t.
Single issue. I’ve posted on a variety of issues. Check the archives. I posted a lot on Hillary but much of it was in response to categorical errors that people kept reiterating. Especially the idea that she was not leading us to war with Russia. That fact failed to sink into the brains here. People kept claiming, in so many words, that it wasn’t true. So I started posted references as I ran across them that stated that she was. That policy is still in effect, BTW. So if I run across another I will alas let you know.
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@ Nomad.
“War is the health of the State”. Whether it’s waged outward (Clinton/ Neo’s) or inward (Trump/facist) it is a constant . Hitler did both.
@ Resw
I have stated my opinion and will eave it at that. No point cluttering up Abagond’s threads with your gaming.
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@michaeljonbarker
“You left the impression that…”
Perhaps to someone with racist stereotypes as you.
“Now you are saying…”
No that’s only what you’re saying.
“I have stated my opinion….”
A dumb and racist opinion.
And this is at least the fourth time you, your fellow Hillary-loving racists and/or your Hillary-loving lackey have derailed a thread to focus on your asinine assumptions about my race and gender. Hopefully it’ll be the last, but I won’t hold my breath.
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@michaeljonbarker
“@ Nomad.
“War is the health of the State”. Whether it’s waged outward (Clinton/ Neo’s) or inward (Trump/facist) it is a constant . Hitler did both. ”
What’s Hitler got to do with it? That analogy is what led us off course to begin with. There is some vague correlation, but Trump is not Hitler. This is the same American style racism that every president has possessed. Just a more bald variation of it.
Your facts are uncoordinated. (https://youtu.be/XZwVCjhq3YI)
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Margaret Kimberley:
“Having accepted the unacceptable and defended the indefensible when it came from Democrats, Blacks must now confront the white people’s president, Donald Trump. As in dark days of the past, we must cast off fear and cast out Black misleaders who are loyal only to themselves.
…
Black Americans were lost and politically helpless before Election Day in 2016. Having a black Democrat in the presidency hid a multitude of sins. As a group we have lost jobs, the little wealth we had, and literally our lives and freedom from the police state. Donald Trump’s election just made what was already true crystal clear.
…
It is interesting that there has been no revolt against the Democratic Party and their coterie of black misleaders after this political debacle. Black people came to believe that not only were we supposed to give the Democrats carte blanche but, like domestic violence victims, we had to keep quiet about our humiliation too. Now we are alternately afraid, angry and confused because we still think we must censor ourselves about our bad political decision making.
…
We survived the Confederates and we can survive anyone named after them. That will mean shaking off fear,
the Democrats,
and the black misleaders…”
Source:
http://blackagendareport.com/black_fear_of_trump
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http://www.blackagendareport.com/black_fear_of_trump
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http://www.blackagendareport.com/black_fear_of_trump
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I’m tellin ya, Deb. I aint Trump.
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what the?…That should read. and let me type it slowly and not press enter too quick because something is wrong with this editor on my end.
I ain’t got no fear of Trump.
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@nomad
Deleted the Margaret Kimberley comment. It was unclear whether you were quoting her or talking about her. Please use quote marks and throw us a link
Thank you.
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http://www.blackagendareport.com/black_fear_of_trump
this is the third time I’ve tried to enter the url
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Abagond doesn’t enforce his rules on his Hillary-loving racists and lackeys, but makes up new rules for nomad and those who tell truths about his Hillary.
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I tried to give the link. would not work. Also I put in quote marks. editor is effing up. pretty petty of you to delete it though
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@nomad
Do you want me to fix it for you?
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@ resw
It is called plagiarism. It is hardly a new rule.
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@resw
I began to think you were right about a week ago. It is weird. And suspicious. I don’t know what’s going on with this editor. Some things it garbles. Others it ignores completely. I think someone is trying to tell the nomad to move on. I think my work here is done anyway.
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@abagond
please do fix it
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@Abagond…Here’s the link: http://blackagendareport.com/black_fear_of_trump
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@abagond
He attributed that to who wrote it, and any reasonable person knew he was quoting. Others have done the same and you haven’t rushed in to delete theirs.
just another of many documented examples of your unfairness to commenters who don’t love Hillary as much as you.
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@ resw
Oh please. I have allowed every Hillaryphobe to rant AT LENGTH. None of them are being silenced. If anything, I have been WAY too lenient, allowing them to deflect attention away from Trump.
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OFF TOPIC: Hillary Clinton.
This post is about Donald Trump, not Hillary Clinton. After 86 comments, the point has been made that some normalize Trump by deflecting the argument away from him. It is becoming a broken record at this point.
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@abagond
Nice deflection. This is actually about what you just did to nomad moments ago, which was unfair and not something you do to your Hillary-loving racists and their lackey.
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@abagond
“@ resw
It is called plagiarism. It is hardly a new rule.”
So now you’re going to accuse me of plagiarism? I forgot the link on the original, which the editor failed to record my quote mark. I tried to enter it 3 times after that. It would not post. But as resw said, any reasonable person understood that I was quoting Kimberly. Your readers are not the idiots you seem to take them for. I accuse you of slander.
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@Abagond…Brother, as I’ve watched this thread unfold, then descend into something far and away from the “home” I’d felt I found some time ago, I was totally disheartened. I couldn’t believe the vitriol against you, nor the back-and-forth among some of the folk whom I’d found to be wonderful, critically thinking people from whom I’d not only learned plenty, but also were receptive to different points of view. I commented early on, but then decided to stay out of the fray and just lurk, because it wasn’t the head space in which my continued “spinning” life needed to be.
I liked Nomad’s comment from Margaret Kimberly because I agree with her and him wholeheartedly. But before I could reply to it, you deleted it. So, I posted the link (as you requested) so everyone could read the entire piece which WAS about Trump’s effect on Black folk and why & how we need to not fear, but continue to be as self-determined as we have been from slavery, through Jim Crow. She was talking exactly about what you expressed in this post when you said, “Trump’s rise to power should make crystal clear that the racism of the US in the 1960s did not magically disappear – poof! Instead it was handed down under a thin veneer of political correctness.” But, I must add, it was handed down — from the Republicans AND the Democrats!
I say all this to say that, yeah, it is your space, Brother — you can do whatever you choose. I just never thought I’d be seeing — here of all places — what I’m seeing from you, or some of the other commenters. Just my two cents…
Peace
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I’m through dealing with whatever kind of glitch this is. It’s getting hard to post comments. Nomad is gone.
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@ Deb
The Margaret Kimberley comment was one Nomad’s most constructive of late. I added the quotes and link as requested. It is there. I did not object to the content, just the confusing attribution.
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@nomad…“I ain’t got no fear of Trump”
I’m right there with you, Brother! Because as Ms. Kimberley said at this link:
“The desire for self-determination brought people out of slavery and out of Jim Crow segregation. It can certainly save us from the alt-right, Donald Trump and an attorney general named Jefferson Beauregard Sessions. We survived the Confederates and we can survive anyone named after them. That will mean shaking off fear, the Democrats, and the black misleaders all at once. We have never had anyone to depend on except ourselves. We do best when we acknowledge and honor that fact.”
Hope you’re as healthy as you can be at this point, Dear-heart. Take care of yourself…
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Oops! Forgot the link: http://blackagendareport.com/black_fear_of_trump
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You go Deb! I’M with you and nomad. Hopefully I’ll have my PC issues solved soon.
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@Abagond…“The Margaret Kimberley comment was one Nomad’s most constructive of late. I added the quotes and link as requested.”
I agree it was one of Nomad’s most constructive comments on this particular post — once the sniping began. Full disclosure, I met Nomad right here on tTHIS site a while ago and since then, we’ve been bumping into each other on other like-minded spaces, including each of our own. I’ve found him to be a perceptive, insightful Brother (when he’s not being attacked for having a different point of view) with plenty constructive, critically thought-out contributions to add to numerous conversations. We agree on quite a bit, but we don’t agree on everything. But I welcome his challenges which make me in turn, think a little more deeply about my own thoughts on things we discuss. But that’s just me
Thanks for adding the link, Brother (since I also forgot it in my last comment) and I also want to thank you for providing this space where we can all just work it out.
@Fan…I appreciate that. I’m just trying to survive the TOTAL “Miseducation” I received growing up as a Black woman here in the South, as well as the blind devotion to the status quo that I bought into for such a long time. Coupled with the fact that I just became a grandmother to a beautiful, baby girl — I’m in my 60th season now and time’s a wastin’! This is the world I’ll be leavin’ here for her and I’ve got to make sure she doesn’t fall victim to that same fate.
Family, I hope you ALL go and read Ms. Kimberley’s piece and think about what she has to say…
Peace
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I will say this: There are serious problems with the establishment in this country. Aside from the wars and continued imperialism and surveillance state and the militarizing of our police and the maintenance of racist structures, we are also hurting our expats by maintaining a unique policy called citizenship-based taxation along with burdensome reporting requirements under threat of heavy penalties. Many Americans living abroad now can’t open bank accounts or retirement accounts unless they are very rich, because it’s too expensive for foreign financial institutions to comply with the extraterritorial Financial Account Tax Compliance Act. “Accidental Americans”, unaware of their reporting requirements, have found themselves ensnared. When expats complain, Congressmen often change the subject, preferring to talk instead about how they are getting corporations to bring their money back home. Apparently, actual American people living abroad can just go to hell.
Now, with the election of an admitted racist and misogynist like Trump, even without winning the popular vote, and the promises he’s made, I have become convinced: The U.S. form of government is harmful and unable to adapt to the realities of the modern world. There is a nastiness that infests this country.
We need a revolution.
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@Satanforce
“Please re-check that post, especially that part about worst case“
I understood your allusion to a worst case scenario. That is why I said,
“Satanforce is correct that we may be facing a terrifying Parable of the Sower near term future.”
From my perspective, this country and others have been slipping and sliding into a Parable of the Sower present for a few decades now. I knew this country was in deep yoghurt when a department of “Homeland” Security was set up. What was left of the Republic was gone when that department was formed.
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@ Deb
Congratulations on your granddaughter!!
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@ Deb kudos re grandbaby! 😀
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Thanks Solitaire!! She’s a beauty and a blessing! I’ve only been back in SC from TX where my sons live, for a few weeks and I can’t wait to hold her again!
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Thanks Fan! I’m glad they waited until I got MOST of the partyin’ outta my system! 😆😆😆 I’ve been back in SC now for 2 1/2 years, hitting brick walls wherever I turned as I tried to help — so I’m planning on selling my house and moving back over there so I can be 100% present in the raising of that young life because what I know for sure, particularly now, is that gettin’ them when they’re young is imperative.
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Terms that will become normalized under Trump.
1. Illegal immigrant
2. Islamic terrorists
3. Law and Order
4. War on police
5. Spending and tax cuts
6. American worker (white people)
7. Public/Private partnership (P3)
8. Financial incentives to keep businesses in the U.S.
9. Tariffs
10. “Consequences” to those who don’t go along with Trump
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“I’m through dealing with whatever kind of glitch this is. It’s getting hard to post comments. Nomad is gone.”
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I’m presently combating a serious virus issue on my primary device, so my ability to post as often as I normally do has been TEMPORARILY curtailed.
I too have recently felt like giving up posting HERE due to all the angst and bad vibes given off between certain commenters (myself and this blog’s owner) in this seemingly never ending dispute/drama between the two factions!
Nomad, I urge you to please reconsider leaving. Your voice (point of view) is sorely needed here amongst the few willing to go against the inane thought that permeates this blog regarding the ongoing debate… I know Abagond and his merry gang of followers (Mirkwood, Allen Shaw, Jefe, munubantu and others) all savory challenged kissers of His Majesty’s rear seek to stop us from sharing our unique and intelligent perspectives using patented petty & unfair moderation, designating us as trolls and other slick tricks meant to run us off, imo! I seriously doubt they can win the debate via lucid informed and rational substance. They have not remotely come close to date, despite all of Abagond’s attempts to do so with his dirge of related HILLARY/trump threads!
They can only think they won this argument if WE hand it to them by dropping the issues worth debate – “convention wisdom,” “mind control” and “conspiracy theories” versus “thinking outside of the box” and “seeing reality” the way THEY (elite controllers) don’t want the people to to experience/know it. Interesting how their side won’t let it die, but peg us as unfair when we respond to their innuendo, not so subtle attacks, and the accuse us as the ones beating a dead horse.
I’ll understand if you just desire to leave, and who can blame you, but just wanted you to know that I much preferred if you stay!
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^^^^ (oops) @ nomad
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Thanks. I’ll be back if this commenting glitch is resolved. Stuff disappearing as I type.
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have to press an arrow almost every five letters to get unstuck. then after that passages just vanish
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so its the physical difficulty to leave comments causing me to stop posting
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I’m going to try some other sites to see if it is site specific
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@Deb
Granddaughter? Congrats!!! I thought your kids were in elementary and middle.
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@Fan..
I could be wrong, but I don’t think the issue is bring up Hillary, but bringing her up to excuse Trump. The best example I can use it the African sold their own argument. Anytime we speak in here on the black slave trade, some white troll will quickly out that Africans sold their own. They throw this out to bypass or excuse that white participated in it and established chattel slavery. Never owning up to their participation because “everyone else did it too”.
Every time trump comes up be it his racist appointments or twitter fights, the first retort is Hillary is racist too. Of course she is, but the questions is…what does her racism have to do with his racist appointments or twitter fights?
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Wo! It didn’t take long for me to find that out. NNot site specific. Got pc p
roblems
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@Sharinair…“I thought your kids were in elementary and middle.”
Thanks, Woman! Elementary & middle?? Chile, please, I’d be crazy as hell — or locked up by now if my sons were still that young, particularly in this day & age!! 😆 My eldest & his wife are 35 and my “baby” son will be 33 in April! Now there’s nothin’ to say I still can’t lose my damned mind OR get locked up behind somebody messin’ with my grandaughter though!😄
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@Sharina
“I could be wrong, but I don’t think the issue is bring up Hillary, but bringing her up to excuse Trump. ”
However it is ma’am, it’s ongoing and getting debilitating. (Just witness Abagond’s recent meltdown!) Yet neither side is willing to say, “Uncle!” and leave it at that. It probably won’t end until someone(s) is/are banned or capitulates. Or, it might eventually die a slow and gradual death. We’ll see …
In the meantime, I have a 2 ton shipping trailer full of blue pills for sale if anyone is hungry for a more palatable and sedated reality!
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@ Sharina
” Every time trump comes up be it his racist appointments or twitter fights, the first retort is Hillary is racist too. Of course she is, but the questions is…what does her racism have to do with his racist appointments or twitter fights?”
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When the hillary crowd brings “up” trump’s twitter junk or racism (in whatever way) the reaction/response among the anti-hillary crowd is that hillary still would have been a more catastrophic president than trump because … ABC & D and the original tired old argument/contentions begins all over again. In other words, another clinton presidency would have been just as harmful to Black people, if not more so, than trump’s appointments and projected racism.
People here got angry, called fellow commenters trolls, conspiracy theorists, blue pill swallowers and so forth. Wash, rinse and repeat. The (s)election might be over but the hillary – trump argument ain’t finished; she’s remains very much on the scene as long as she hasn’t yet faded into whichever sunset wherever old, retired, soiled & dried up, has-been politicians go.
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@ Sharina
“Every time trump comes up be it his racist appointments or twitter fights, the first retort is Hillary is racist too. Of course she is, but the questions is…what does her racism have to do with his racist appointments or twitter fights?”
Exactly.
Let’s say for a moment that Hillary Clinton really was the greater of two evils, that she would have destroyed the planet in an unlimited nuclear exchange with Russia. Even if I concede that point, I still want to talk about Trump now and not her. I want to talk about the lesser evil we face right now, that we have to deal with, that we have to live under for the next four years. I don’t care about the bullet we dodged (HRC) but the bullet that’s coming straight at us (Trump).
That isn’t meant as a judgment call on others who may not be done discussing HRC. They are in a different place than me concerning the election, and that’s as it is. I would just like the fighting and name-calling and disrespect and bitterness to stop. I regret my own participation in it to the degree that I did.
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@ Solitaire
I agree. If we were driving through an unknown country and faced a sign at a fork in the road and it said Godzilla was to the left and King Kong was to the right and we chose to go right, it would seem strange to keep talking about Godzilla when we were fast approaching King Kong!
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@ Nomad
Why is it everyone who is a fan of hillary is so absolutely certain without a doubt that Trump will in fact do such & such or this & that??
How do they know what the future WILL bring? I’m puzzled by this absolute certainty they have regarding the future. They speak as if they possess a time machine that enables them peer into the future – which I find quite peculiar as these same folks COULD NOT CLEARLY SEE the recent past that they were privy to where a certain (nameless) candidate was concerned.
How is this possible?
And while we are on the subject of things that puzzle, something else puzzles me.
Let’s say for a moment that Donald Trump really was the greater of two evils, that he intends to unleash all manner of racism on Black people. Even if I concede that point, I still want to talk about Clinton now and not him. I want to talk about the greater evil we face right now, that we have to deal with, that we have to live, that we have contended with for the last four HUNDRED years. I don’t care so much about the woes we MIGHT have to deal with as much as I care about whether our armor, tactics, preparation and unity is up and prepared for whatever comes at Black people.
That isn’t meant as a judgment call on others who may not be done projecting what Trump’s going to do. They are in a different place than me concerning the election, and that’s as it is. I would just like the fighting and name-calling and future-casting to stop.
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@ nomad
You appear to have a good head on your shoulders, so I have a little question for you!
If we were driving through an unknown country and faced a sign at a fork in the road and it said Godzilla was to the left and King Kong was to the right – what would you choose to do??
I, personally… especially if I were driving the car, would go neither left or right. My immediate sense would be to turn the car around and head back in the opposite direction as fast as I could safely drive!
What would YOU do??
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@ Abagond
If I may extend your analogy, it’s like there’s a large group on a charter bus, and some of the group want to keep talking about what a good decision it was that we didn’t turn left and head down the road to Godzilla.
I don’t really mind if they want to talk about that as long as there is also space for others on the bus to talk about King Kong and what we’re going to do when we reach him.
But it’s gotten to the point that the two groups are arguing constantly about whether King Kong or Godzilla should be the focus of the discussion, trying to shout each other down while the bus hurtles onward.
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@Fan…
The funny thing is that before the election, the abagond and his Hillary supporters kept contradicting themselves. Saying on one hand that we should be scared of what Trump “will do” but also saying politicians, including Trump could not be taken at their word.
I’ve noted that at least one prominent KKK leader supported Hillary because he did not believe we should take either candidate at their word. Sure enough, Trump has broken nearly a dozen campaign promises, e.g., he said he’d appoint a special prosecutor to investigate, but now he says he won’t. He said there’d be consequences like tariffs for companies that send jobs to Mexico, and we see the opposite happened with Carrier, which received significant tax breaks.
The list of Trump’s flip flops is long, and he hasn’t even smoved into the white House.
Abagond and his Hillary lovers claim to know what will happen, yet they couldn’t predict what actually has happened so far.
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@Fan
“I, personally… especially if I were driving the car, would go neither left or right. My immediate sense would be to turn the car around and head back in the opposite direction as fast as I could safely drive!”
If that translates within the analogy to mean that you would have supported an effort to leave Obama in office for another 2 years while we held special elections for primaries and threw the presidential election into the 2018 elections, then I would have wholeheartedly supported that too… somehow, I think the GOP would have opposed that… even the ones that didn’t care much for Trump.
From where I sit, it seems like the “lesser of 2 evils” Hillary voters (of which I was one) believe the Godzilla/King Kong analogy and are indeed trying to leave Godzilla behind and focus on King King. However, the Trump voters weren’t really so much “lesser of 2 evils”, so they don’t really get the fuss about King Kong and that’s why they deflect to Godzilla… because at least we all agree on Godzilla.
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@ Sharina
If you want to talk about Trump’s twitter wars, I’m game. Do you think his handlers will be able to make him stop after the inauguration?
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@Open Minded Observer
That’s funny, I took that analogy to mean vote for another candidate since here was actually a choice between 3 or more candidates in almost every state, as well as a write-up option.
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@ resw @ Fan
Just to be crystal clear: In the analogy the fork in the road represents the future, so there is no turning back. The car represents the US, so a third route (third party) was a) highly unlikely and b) not what took place.
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@abagond
Oh, I thought it was Fan’s analogy. But as always, you know everything.
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Nomad and Deb did try to provide a link to that Margaret Kimberley piece, but their attempts got stuck in my spam filter. I just saw them and fished them out.
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@ resw
I meant my analogy, not his. He can speak for himself.
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There is no fork in the road. America’s just drunk driving and seeing double. That fork leads to same fiery end.
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@abagond
Thanks, that’s what I thought.
And what a surprise to see you’ve taken yet another break from your “break from all this Trump stuff”.
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@resw
Yeah, you know, as interesting as a 3rd party option is, that just didn’t occur to me. Probably because I considered them to not be very good either. I bet if they had been under the same level of scrutiny as the major party candidates, they’d have wound up with giant world-destroyer nicknames in the analogy too. Just more forks leading to nowhere good.
@nomad
“There is no fork in the road. America’s just drunk driving and seeing double. That fork leads to same fiery end.”
Ok, so now that we’re all on the same page (we’re heading towards a fiery end) can we get down to the business of changing directions? Since Trump got elected to drive this crazy bus, (and it’s the topic of this thread) let’s discuss how to avoid normalizing and accepting the fiery end destiny you foresee him leading us towards.
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abagond
@ resw @ Fan
“Just to be crystal clear: In the analogy the fork in the road represents the future, so there is no turning back. The car represents the US, so a third route (third party) was a) highly unlikely and b) not what took place.”
damn. still glitching. had to write this twice.
Can’t go back. America needs to pull over. Not just drunk but asleep at the wheel. Needs to wake up before it can pull over. And then needs to sober up before continuing. wakeup. wakeup wake up wake up.
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@Fan
“I, personally… especially if I were driving the car, would go neither left or right. My immediate sense would be to turn the car around and head back in the opposite direction as fast as I could safely drive!
What would YOU do??”
Yes. That is what I’d do. Unfortunately i’m just a passenger in a car only madmen and criminals are allowed to drive.
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Kanye West?
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fork in road leads to same end
(https://youtu.be/YaqP78UsplY)
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crap. wrong video
fork in road leads to same end
(https://youtu.be/ER3LfDxetqo)
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fork in the road leads to same end
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The Daily Show did a great segment on Trump admitting he was lying on the campaign trail: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/i9tog6/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-trump-lets-the-truth-come-out-post-election
Following “Lock her up!” chants Trump even had the gall to reply: “That plays great before the election, now we don’t care, right?”
So cheer up, abagond, your girl/boss is safe for now.
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@resw
just wow.
the fork led to the same end.
But still, its better the Trump fork than the Hillary.
With Hillary black people would be rolling over for her depredations. Like they did for Obama. With Trump they perceive the need to fact back. Here’s a comment from another site that describes perfectly how Obama has forever tarnished the civil justice legacy of black Americans. True justice warriors, because of your support for Obama, will now look upon you with skepticism.
“Blacks shouldnt worry. Obama has exposed them as USers who just want the equal opportunity to share equally in the rape and pillage of the world.
No more moral high ground for oppressed Blacks in the USA. “
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Damn. The dude capitalized Blacks. Maybe he’s black.
;need to fight back’
Nice Freudian slip though. Fight back with facts.
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@nomad
“the fork led to the same end. But still, its better the Trump fork than the Hillary”
Well, as I maintained, if politicians don’t mean what they say on the campaign trail, minorities and true liberals in general were much worse off with abagond’s girl/boss.
“With Hillary black people would be rolling over for her depredations. Like they did for Obama. ”
+1. It really is sad that one’s race, gender, name and party affiliation gives them a pass.
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Woe to the downpressor. Woe to black people that they followed and worshipped him. .So sad. So sad. And very disappointing.
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beautiful cover. where you gon run to? ohhhh on that day?
(https://youtu.be/udR0KBCbs6U)
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Please remember that Dehumanization goes both ways.
https://exploringbelievability.blogspot.com/2016/10/dehumanization
Don’t forget that in role-playing games that you generally have to recruit members to your party to complete quests.
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