If the opinion polls are right, we will know who won shortly after the real polls close on the west coast at 8.00pm (11.00pm Eastern time, 04.00 GMT). An unexpected Clinton landslide could be called earlier than that. A Trump victory would probably not materialize till the middle of the night.
The latest Real Clear Politics opinion poll average puts Donald Trump behind Hillary Clinton by 3.3 percentage points nationwide, but about 5.7% are still undecided:
- 45.5% Hillary Clinton
- 42.2% Donald Trump
- 4.7% Gary Johnson
- 1.9% Jill Stein
- 5.7% undecided or other
If Johnson can get at least 5.0%, the Libertarian Party will get federal matching funds in 2020, doubling the amount of money they will have to campaign with next time.
Nate Silver gives Trump’s chances of winning at 28% in his polls-plus projection. Here is the map showing how he thinks each state will vote:
That, by the way, is the same as the electoral map for 2008 except for Ohio and Iowa. The last time Ohio voted for the loser was in 1960.
Trump’s likeliest path to victory is to pick up Florida, North Carolina, Nevada and New Hampshire. If he loses any one of those states, he will have to make up the difference in a state where he is farther behind, like Michigan or Pennsylvania.
– Abagond, 2016.
Update (7.46pm ET): I voted for Hillary Clinton. I also filled out an exit poll that CNN is taking part in.
Update (12.26am): No winner yet. It is way closer than the polls predicted, particularly in the Rust Belt where Trump is currently ahead in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. He has already won the big swing states of Ohio and Florida. If he wins Pennsylvania it will be pretty much over.
Update (1.56am): Trump has won Pennsylvania. He just needs one more state.
Update (2.46am): Trump wins Wisconsin and will be the next president.
Update (2020): What the real Clear Politics opinion poll average said on the eve of the election (same as above in the post):
- 45.5% Hillary Clinton
- 42.2% Donald Trump
- 4.7% Gary Johnson
- 1.9% Jill Stein
- 5.7% undecided or other
How people actually voted:
- 48.2% Hillary Clinton
- 46.1% Donald Trump
- 3.3% Gary Johnson
- 1.1% Jill Stein
- 1.3% other
Sources: Real Clear Politics, FiveThirtyEight.com (the polls-plus projection).
See also:
Abagond 
I just got back from voting for Hillary. I also filled out an exit poll, my first ever.
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i voted libertarian, where available, then democratic and yes on the municipal funding bond 3m
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I voted through email right after the first debate last month. I voted for Hillary Clinton only because she is the most qualified candidate and she is a better alternative to having Donald Trump as president. Let’s hope Hillary wins this election.
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“They see that the whites are so evenly divided that every time they vote the race is so close they have to go back and count the votes all over again. And that…which means that any block, any minority that has a block of votes that stick together is in a strategic position. Either way you go, that’s who gets it. You’re — You’re in a position to determine who will go to the White House and who will stay in the dog house. You’re the one who has that power. You can keep Johnson in Washington D.C., or you can send him back to his Texas cotton patch. You’re the one who sent Kennedy to Washington. You’re the one who put the present Democratic Administration in Washington D.C. The whites were evenly divided. It was the fact that you threw 80 percent of your votes behind the Democrats that put the Democrats in the White House.”
“When you see this, you can see that the Negro vote is the key factor. And despite the fact that you are in a position to — to be the determining factor, what do you get out of it? The Democrats have been in Washington D.C. only because of the Negro vote. They’ve been down there four years, and they’re — all other legislation they wanted to bring up they brought it up and gotten it out of the way, and now they bring up you. And now, they bring up you. You put them first, and they put you last, ’cause you’re a chump, a political chump.” – Malcolm X, April 12th, 1964
To me, it is absolutely amazing that a speech that was written 56 years ago still resonates and clearly still hold true even today on November 8th, 2016.
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Has everyone decided what country they’ll be moving to?
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Voting Machine Problems Are Being Reported All Over America
Published: November 8, 2016
“After what happened in the last election, people seem to be more alert to signs of potential election fraud this time around. And right now the Internet is buzzing with reports of voting machine problems in some of the most important swing states. In some areas officials were forced to make emergency switches to paper ballots due to voting machine issues, and in other cases voters that intended to vote for Donald Trump were having their votes registered for Hillary Clinton instead. The mainstream media is insisting that these are “isolated instances”, and hopefully that turns out to be true because the integrity of our elections is of the utmost importance.
Voting machines are supposed to make voting easier and more efficient, but instead they are once again causing major headaches all over the country. The following summary of technical issues that we have seen so far comes from the New York Daily News…
In Utah, voting machine problems in the southern part of the state forced poll workers to use paper ballots, with some residents sent to alternate voting locations.
Voters in Colorado received provisional ballots after officials reported computer problems state-wide, though at least one county said that the state electoral system was back up Tuesday afternoon.
Machine issues were reported in Wilson County, Tenn. — and at one point all of the county’s machines went down, according to local reports. Voting later resumed manually.
In Texas, a computer used by election clerks malfunctioned at a polling place, so officials briefly diverted voters to another polling place more than two miles away.
In Louisiana, some early voters were forced to wait as correct machines were installed.
In Durham County, N.C., paper poll books were being used Tuesday due to “tech problems at a few sites.”
But much more troubling is what has been happening in Pennsylvania. Numerous voters have been reporting that their votes were switched by the voting machines from Donald Trump to Hillary Clinton. The following is an excerpt from one local news report…
“Every time I would push a candidate for the Republican party, it would come up for the Democratic candidate,” said voter David Drane.
Election judges in Clinton Township, Butler County confirmed there were issues with two of their eight automated voting machines. Most of the issues came when people tried to vote straight party ticket.
However, others said they specifically wanted to vote for Republican Donald Trump only to see their vote switched before their eyes to Democrat Hillary Clinton.
“I went back, pressed Trump again. Three times I did this, so then I called one of the women that were working the polls over. And she said you must be doing it wrong. She did it three times and it defaulted to Hillary every time,” Bobbie Lee Hawranko said.
And USA Today is reporting that vote switching is also being reported in Lebanon County, Pennsylvania…
And in one of the few glitches with political overtones, a problem with the calibration of electronic voting machines in Lebanon County, Pa., caused about a half dozen machines to display what voters thought were straight Republican tickets as straight Democratic tickets. Poll workers alerted the county elections bureau, and voters were able to change their ballots, said Michael Anderson, director of the Lebanon County Bureau of Elections.
If you recall, this exact same kind of thing happened in the all-important swing state of Ohio in 2012.
So if Pennsylvania ends up being the difference in a Hillary Clinton victory, this will need to be looked at very, very closely.
Reports of vote switching in Pennsylvania are already getting so much attention that they are even making television news…
In other parts of the state, a different type of problem has emerged. One African-American voter that tried to vote for Trump was extremely frustrated when the voting machine that he was using remained completely stuck on a selection for Hillary Clinton. This particular voter captured this on video and uploaded the video footage to Twitter…
Voter turnout is very heavy all over the nation, and it looks like we may shatter voter participation records all over the nation.
So that is a good thing.
And we can get an idea of what voters are thinking by what they are searching for on the Internet…
When looking at searches of “Who is ____ voting for,” these names are the most popular:
Taylor Swift
Monica Lewinsky
George Bush
Al Gore
Mitt Romney
If Google search is any indicator of the next president, Clinton is pulling ahead. As of this morning, Clinton has 51% of search interest compared to Trump’s 49%. Trump was pulling ahead in Michigan, Ohio and Nevada while Clinton topped searches in Florida, North Carolina and Texas, Google Trends reports. On the flip side, search interest in “Republican” is 173% higher than search interest in “Democrat.”
If you follow my work regularly, you already know that I am not optimistic about the future of our nation, and I think that this election will give us a clear indication as to how late in the game we truly are.
If Donald Trump wins, perhaps we have a bit more time left than many of us originally believed.
But if Hillary Clinton wins, I believe that there is zero hope for America, and we will fully deserve everything that is about to happen to us.
So we shall see what happens on Tuesday night. The American people have one last chance to make the right choice, and hopefully they will choose wisely.”
Emigrate While You Still Can!
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At 23:55 Eastern Time Google’s election tracker is saying Trump needs 32 to win, Clinton almost double that. Not looking good for her so far but it’s not over yet. I’m a bit apprehensive that it’s finally being decided but I’ll be uneasy with any of these two as president.
There’ll be a lot of handwringing in the morning if Clinton is rejected but really, F the media, F the Clintons, F the corrupt DNC. The Dems could have assured victory with almost any other candidate yet they used every dirty trick in the book to force-feed corrupt Clinton to the American people. I can’t say I’ll be sad if their tactics are not rewarded but, unfortunately, president Trump would be a concomitant outcome.
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Update (12.26am): No winner yet. It is way closer than the polls predicted, particularly in the Rust Belt where Trump is currently ahead in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. He has already won the big swing states of Ohio and Florida. If he wins Pennsylvania it will be pretty much over.
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Michael Moore predicted Trump would win by sweeping the Rust Belt. He says pollsters do not know how to poll the Rust Belt,
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I was wary of the polls and I may have mentioned it in a previous post if my memory serves me right. I just couldn’t see the anecdotal evidence for Clinton’s lead but I surmised that probably the depressed vote for Clinton was going to be there. There was one poll, the USC Daybreak poll, that had Trump ahead in the last few days and even though it’s not over yet, they’ll certainly be closer than most others came.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-usc-latimes-poll-20161108-story.html
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Origin,
you’ll be “uneasy” with either of them as President; considering the two individuals in question, I have to commend you on your understatement.
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Pollsters. Another sector that was working to get Clinton elected by creating false reports of her lead margins. They’re right up there with Google in their Hillary shillary.
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Update (1.56am): Trump has won Pennsylvania. He needs just one more state.
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2:05am
NYT has an electoral count of 264 for Trump; 270 needed of course.
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2:12 est
265 Electoral votes for Trump.
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Trump has won. A misogynist, overtly racist clown has won. How did we get here?
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@Abagond
Fan is definitely a Latino. Remember when you blogged about Latinos/Hispanics becoming white. Well there is your evidence of these group of people. Indecisiveness between race and culture. Thank You very much.
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It’s interesting: Media commentary for a few months now has been predicting the destruction of the Republican Party because Trump is their presidential candidate. But now just look at the devastating defeat the Democrats have taken. And they’ve taken this beating because of their candidate. The media had the right narrative for the wrong political party.
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I feel like a sipiku right here…. 😦
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Update (2.46am): Trump wins Wisconsin and will be the next president.
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2:47 am est
NYT: 279 for Trump.
(I heard that AP had called Wisconsin at 266 which would have brought Trump up to 276.)
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I wonder how many Americans Herneith has room for on her couch…
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American friends; we are sad for you and hope things will be okay (fingers crossed). The global south might just unite because of this (fingers crossed).
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What villagewriter says.
I had expected that Trump could win the Republican primaries, but this is still a surprise for me.
To speak with Stephen Colbert: I don’t know if I must be amused or terrified.
God bless you all.
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This is not funny at all.
Regardless of which country you are moving to, the impact will be felt everywhere else in the world.
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I am in a complete state of shock. Stay safe my friends.
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ouch. that smarts.
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Try to stay calm dear folks. There was no winning choice. I think Trump’s feet will be held to the fire with so much of the nation on edge about his presidency. (I say this with my own butterflies fluttering)
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@WalJ3 When you have to choose the lesser of two evils instead of the greater of two goods, such things happen.
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I agree: Stay safe.
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This jest is getting kind of old:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/09/canadas-immigration-website-crashes-as-donald-trumps-us-election-lead-grows
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(https://youtu.be/Kr6Bk6x0xRY)
Donald Trump. Brought to you courtesy of the DNC.
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“Donald Trump. Brought to you courtesy of the DNC.”
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And wikileaks!
At least that scary, skurry woman isn’t the president (s)elect, despite all her party’s efforts at rigging the vote.
Amerika just experience a bit of God’s mercy! Or time.
What will she do with it??
If only she would repent … or could repent.
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If the Illuminati really did have the next president designated and the course of this election planned out months ago, all I can say is they’ve got a sick sense of humor.
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@Solitaire
I would have thought that the Illuminati would have planted a buffoon like Trump into the Republican Party. In that way, the Republican Party cannot bring a serious threat against the Illuminati’s preferred candidate: Hillary Rodham Clinton.
All they had to do to secure Hillary’s win is leaking the vid in which Trump is bragging about grabbing p*ssies, and Trump is dead meat.
But clearly, it did not work that way.
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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DOpotKkaxVA/WCLjMCvxDLI/AAAAAAAAlFE/wuVOYI8XgHYF1J2WwszD73340hXPpLoFgCJoC/w530-h928-p-rw/16%2B-%2B1
Yes Trump won. But he won’t be able to handle the pressures and responsibility. He is simply incapable of doing the job with any degree of competence. His administration will be a fucking train-wreck by summer and that will be good. Sometimes you have to let people swallow on their own vomit.
They have a guy in the oval office that David Duke who was the former Imperial Wizard of the KKK (*Imperial Wizard* lol where do they get these names from) just tweeted “GOD BLESS DONALD TRUMP! It’s time to do the right thing, it’s time to TAKE AMERICA BACK!!!”
Now white people can’t play the underdog, can’t say the system is against them, can’t complain of reverse racism (Not that they could in the past)
But now they have a guy who doesn’t try to be slick or hid his racism after all pretty much his whole campaign was run on of having Mexico pay for a wall and black people being put “back in their place”
I do wonder how long the honeymoon will last, and when people will start to realise he isn’t going to deliver on all his vague, unformed promises and live up to their expectations. I wonder what will happen when the national debt explodes, as predicted of his economic plans.
The one thing no-one can reverse is the consequences of nuclear war, even if one-sided the whole world will be affected by the fallout and the dust.
It will be a rough road in all other ways for the next four years and everything is at risk – Social Security, Medicare, ACA will be gone, NATO will have to make do without the USA, look for severe cuts in assistance programs, cutbacks and dismantling of regulatory efforts, huge national debt increase with tax cuts for the upper 1%, expansion of Homeland Security and another trashing of FEMA as Bush did.
With the loss of immigrants, crops will rot in the fields, livestock will go untended, food supplies will diminish, prices will rise, trade wars will reduce imports of goods, your infrastructure will continue to crumble and people will literally be sicker and less productive.
Whites will get change but not the sort of change you were expecting. Be careful what you wish for MUTHA FUCKA
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One good thing. The fall Clintonism! Yay! Two good things. The repudiation of Obama! Double yay!
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fall OF Clintonism.
Smash Clintonism: Why Democrats, Not Republicans, are the Problem
http://www.counterpunch.org/…/smash-clintonism-why-democrats-not-republicans- are-the-problem/
What is Clintonism?
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/25/what-is-clintonism/
Bernie’s Tragic Flaw: Too Soft on Clinton
http://www.counterpunch.org/…/bernies-tragic-flaw-too-soft-on-clinton/
What Next in the War on Clintonism?
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/…/what-next-in-the-war-on-clintonism/
Anti-Hillary: Across the Spectrum
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/…/anti-hillary-across-the-spectrum/
Imagine: No Clintons
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/26/imagine-no-clintons/
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I’ll miss Obama. I’ll miss a peaceful America also.
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oh yeah. its been very peaceful these last 8 years. from ferguson to alleppo
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“Nomad, Fan…, and Resw, I hope you’re happy now”
Yeah, in a perverse kind of way. All I can say is that God has a wicked sense of humor. You da man, G. You may have dodged a bullet and now you’re going to have to start talking about Trump in less hyperbolic terms.
Them pollsters. They were supposed to make it look like Hillary had an insurmountable lead and the Trump voters would stay home. Didn’t work. I guess that’s what happens when you are voting for somebody than against somebody. You actually make the effort to get to the polls.
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“Take it from him, Nelson Mandela – or from Jean-Claude Juncker, who I half hope will lead the EU into war with the United States starting January 20”
If you “half hope” bombs start dropping on U.S soil because your candidate didn’t win I don’t know what to say. Regardless of who won I’d still be in favor of NO BOMBS thank you very much.
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“Nomad, Fan…, and Resw, I hope you’re happy now.”
I did not vote. I had no horse in this race. Just a horse I didn’t want to see in the winners circle yet again. I still can’t fathom how and why so many people would rather have a known racist super hi-powered criminal (and worse) running a country and military than a mere racist possible scoundrel.
“We are going to have a Nazi president.”
Project much??
“We are headed for dark times, and some of us may be thrust into history against our will.”
A lot of people thought Obomber was going to be a decent president. Turned out he was just more of the same. Perhaps Trump will be different than what people expect. How can he be worse than Hillary or Obomber?
This country was never designed to have career/life long politicians leading a country. Or, people with law degrees getting into elected office, or banking cartels in charge of the nation’s money. The corruption that abounds in the political/financial/corporate system today is exactly what the founders desperately wished to avoid if Amerika might live up to its promise/potential. Hillary never was going to stop that which is the biggest part of her nature… being a crook and laying up with the establishments other crooks.
“…I half hope will lead the EU into war with the United States starting January 20.”
Be careful what you hope for, silly dude. Given your young age, you’d be one of first called up to serve in a draft… don’t you have a young child or one on the way??
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Let that be a lesson for you, Democrats. When we put you in office and you don’t do shlt for us, we’re not going to vote for you anymore. We would have surged enthusiastically to the polls if you could have shown a single thing you’ve done on our behalf in the past 8 years. We put you in and you didn’t do shit. Now fukc off.
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@LoM
Thank you for apologizing, but there is no need to.
After all, you voted for Hillary Clinton, so you did not do anything to get the world in this situation.
Moreover, electing a racist, sexist reality-tv-star as President made the USA look ridiculous, so I believe that this is more a problem for the USA than for the rest of this world (so far).
By the way, Jucker cannot wage war against the USA.
Europeans are way too busy with themselves, sheltering Syrian refugees, paying the bills for Greece, thinking what to do with the Ukrainians and wondering how they will make the United Kingdom pay for Brexit.
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Fan…
Obomber? You have to be white. Anyways, I would like to congratulate the white race on their victory
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I wonder how many Americans Herneith has room for on her couch…
If you dust, cook and do laundry, maybe the Ottoman. We are the second biggest country in the world so there is plenty of space. Getting in may be difficult. I suppose you could claim refugee status, though!
I happen to be an optimist. This is an opportunity to recoup and rebuild from the ground up. The left-wing, centre-left, centre-right have been given a golden opportunity to go after these newly minted fools. Trump won’t be governing, others will be doing it for him. He will be their ‘front’ man. He will provide the rhetoric whilst they actually do the work.
I do not know what to say. I apologize, on behalf of all Americans, for foisting this upon you.
Didn’t you date a Canadian woman at one time? Call her up and ask her to marry you. Cape Breton is advertising for American immigrants. No need to apologize.
I must say I was shocked that there are so many dumb Yanks out there, dumber than Canadians and not as polite! With that being expressed, your choices weren’t that great. The fix was and is in since the inception of your country with these two parties, Dems and Rep. It seems they take turns in office. Perhaps you should be promoting and supporting independent candidates not affiliated with any parties but are communities based.
What’s next for you Yanks in regards to organizing, locally, statewide and federally? I am not referring to individual party affiliations either or shilling for one. I suggest youse start now. Oh, and I know ‘youse’ ain’t a real word. You can analyze what happened until the cows come home but what are you going to do? Seriously.
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“After all, you voted for Hillary Clinton, so you did not do anything to get the world in this situation.
Moreover, electing a racist, sexist reality-tv-star as President made the USA look ridiculous, so I believe that this is more a problem for the USA than for the rest of this world (so far). ”
Didn’t do anything except voted for a person who covers up child sex in high political/government places and who is involved with the trafficking of children.
I’d take the reality TV star over that any day! Don’t give a d*mn how ridiculous that looks!
I believe I’d much rather give care and comfort to a racist than anyone who sexually preys on children.
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I believe I’d much rather give care and comfort to a racist than anyone who sexually preys on children.
I didn’t read about this. which one are you referring to? They are both white supremist.
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“Obomber? You have to be white. Anyways, I would like to congratulate the white race on their victory”
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What’s going on with you people? A few posts up I saw some clown telling Abagond that he thinks I’m latino. I’m neither white or latino. Not even a tiny bit. I’m probably much Blacker than you! And why shouldn’t I refer to Obomber this way? Isn’t that what he does?? Orders the bombing of certain people and places??
Apparently you think because I’m Black I’m supposed to automatically agree with what he’s doing?? If you do, you’ve got some serious issues!
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WalJ3 said: “Trump has won. A misogynist, overtly racist clown has won. How did we get here?
We (Amerika), got here by way of always having a penchant being overtly racist and misogynist. It appears that the majority of us would rather pretend that these things do not exist. Welcome to the real Amerika!
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@Herneith
In your favorite search engine, look up “Hillary Child Sex Trafficking”
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lol us refugees to canada, they will probably build their own wall!
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I keep hearing this refrain in my head
‘I believe that she will win
I believe that she will win’
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“One discovers the light in darkness. That is what darkness is for. But everything in our lives depends on how we bear the light. It is necessary, while in darkness, to know that there is a light somewhere, to know that in oneself, waiting to be found there is a light. What the light reveals is danger, and what it demands is faith…I know we often lose…and how often one feels that one cannot start again. And yet, on pain of death, one can never remain where one is. The light. The light. One will perish without the light…For nothing is fixed, forever, and forever, and forever, it is not fixed; the earth is always shifting, the light is always changing, the sea does not cease to grind down rock. Generations do not cease to be born, and we are responsible to them because we are the only witnesses they have…The sea rises, the light fails, lovers cling to each other, and children cling to us. And the moment we cease to hold each other, the moment we break faith with one another, the sea engulfs us and the light goes out.”
— James Baldwin
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@V8
Can you blame them if they did?
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Well were do we go from here? Trump is now the president. Maybe this will galvanize black folks out of their apathy and unify because we don’t have anything but each other and we need to work together instead of fight each other. Hard times are coming and we need to find solutions to help ourselves.
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///Didn’t do anything except voted for a person who covers up child sex in high political/government places and who is involved with the trafficking of children.
I’d take the reality TV star over that any day! Don’t give a d*mn how ridiculous that looks!
I believe I’d much rather give care and comfort to a racist than anyone who sexually preys on children.///
On the negative side for Trump, he also is reported to act ‘sleazy’ with children: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3835421/Donald-Trump-s-sleazy-comment-ten-year-old-girl-visited-Trump-Tower-revealed-latest-hot-mic-video-surface.html
But if you do not mind… well, Trump will be your President, so good luck with him.
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“We would have surged enthusiastically to the polls if you could have shown a single thing you’ve done on our behalf in the past 8 years.”
@ Nomad
Knowing what I’ve known about HC since the early to mid 90s, plus this NEW stuff revealed from her emails, I would not voted for her even if she did a bunch of stuff for Black people.
A crook doesn’t/won’t give a stick for her constituents!
@Rabab
Was that James Baldwin quote meant for me? If not, then I’ll assume that you have no reasonable response as to why you’ve insulted me by declaring that I have to be white.
If yes, could you break down what you’re trying to use it to convey?
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yeah I understand. but if barack had done one good thing, like genuine healthcare reform, I would have voted to preserve that. would have held my nose. but for a party that didn’t do a damn thing for their constituents? they can fcuk off.
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it would have been tough because my number one hatred of the Obama administration is the drone murder program. I would have a tough time voting for anyone who supports that
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“On the negative side for Trump, he also is reported to act ‘sleazy’ with children: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3835421/Donald-Trump-s-sleazy-comment-ten-year-old-girl-visited-Trump-Tower-revealed-latest-hot-mic-video-surface.html
But if you do not mind… well, Trump will be your President, so good luck with him.”
There’s a big difference between making sleazy comments amongst others in a private guy setting and actually DOING a whole boatload of sleazy/illegal/criminal things.
If the heavily HC leaning US media had a crumb of damaging info (LIKE THAT on Trump) we’d all know about it.
The fact that you, a family guy, can’t differentiate the difference strongly suggests that the choices you make for your family may not be in their best interest. Good luck to you, too… with that.
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“Well were do we go from here? Trump is now the president. Maybe this will galvanize black folks out of their apathy and unify because we don’t have anything but each other and we need to work together instead of fight each other. ”
Hey Mary,
Where you been??
You make a good point!
We do need to galvanize and unify. Historically, oppression has usually helped us come together.
The question is now, is Trump a great deal more racist than the typical white racist Amerikan??
I’ve been watching that woman of late (whose name I’ve forgotten) on youtube who does the Blue-eye Brown-eye experiment… separating white people by their eye color and treating them differently. Watching her experiments have reinforced by understanding of how racist white people really are.
Anyway, it’s my belief that it’s going to have to take something major to bring about this galvanization you speak of. I wish it wasn’t that way, but we seem, as a people, to see things very differently.
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@ Fan
Since allegations are your standard of proof, Trump forced a 13-year-old girl “to engage in various perverted and depraved sex acts”:
She dropped her lawsuit just days before the election because of death threats.
Jeffrey Epstein is a registered sex offender, someone Trump hangs out with.
More:
http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/
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@ Fan
You are thinking of Jane Elliott:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/the-blue-eyedbrown-eyed-exercise/
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There’s a big difference between making sleazy comments amongst others in a private guy setting and actually DOING a whole boatload of sleazy/illegal/criminal things.
True.
If the heavily HC leaning US media had a crumb of damaging info (LIKE THAT on Trump) we’d all know about it.
There ARE stories about that. However, I do not know if they are similar with the “Swiftboat Veterans for Truth”-nonsense that damaged John Kerry’s chances, back in 2004; I wouldn’t be surprised if that were the case here too.
The fact that you, a family guy, can’t differentiate the difference strongly suggests that the choices you make for your family may not be in their best interest. Good luck to you, too… with that.
Thanks.
However, maybe you should provide us a link to the article concerning the things Clinton did. So far, you did not provide any other evidence for the allegations than “google it'” which does not make a solid case.
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I’ve been watching that woman of late (whose name I’ve forgotten) on youtube who does the Blue-eye Brown-eye experiment… separating white people by their eye color and treating them differently. Watching her experiments have reinforced by understanding of how racist white people really are.
…thus learning you to make a huge generalisation about “white people.” Nice.
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http://ijr.com/2016/11/730761-woman-who-alleged-trump-raped-her-at-age-13-dramatically-dropped-lawsuit-now-we-know-why/
Abagond,
I don’t care for finding myself in the untenable position of defending a Donald Trump, but:
Try glimpsing or reading the above link.
And yes, Jane Elliot is her name. Thanks. Seen several videos. One of my favorites was her being interviewed by Rock Hudson on his show.
I find that she and her experiments are remarkable. Wish we had a few more people like that with her gift of sight and understanding!
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“…thus learning you to make a huge generalisation about “white people.” Nice.”
Well besides Jane Elliot’s vids there’s also my vast personal offline experience as well as this space here.
Not as generalized as you might think. Moreover, there’s Tim Wise, Robert Jensen, Joe Feagin and a host of other honest white and Black anti-racists types who lend towards my assessment regarding white-superiority and supremacy.
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I’m sorry for you, guys. This is a pretty shitty thing. It showed how divided America really is and the whole sentiment (the way white people voted, basically).
I can only hope that your new president will not manage to do even the 0.1% of the bad things he promised.
Perhaps this can be a wake up call for Americans. This is bad but maybe it will make some people understand the error of their ways. I know if happened to us when Milosevic rose to power. Many people realized their mistake pretty soon and worked hard against him. Sure, it’s a different context (there was no such divide the way exists in the US) but one can only hope.
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(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4bfMbvRuow)
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@Fan..
That was a response to the situation,, nothing to do with you. I know you are white or anti black POC… Either way, I have no desire to engage you.. Refrain from addressing me
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So who else is investing in firearm(s) and ammunition?
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Also everyone should remember what Trump said he would do on his FIRST DAY
Stop Obamacare
End The War On Coal
Remove Criminal Immigrants On Day One (Actually in the first hour of office)
Build that Wall
But his supporters don’t care about whether or not he follows through on his policy proposals.Trump’s opponents take him literally but not seriously while his supporters take him seriously but not literally
Maybe Congress will let him build a building somewhere, since that’s what he knows. Mostly he’ll whine and bluster, and blame the banks and the insurance companies and foreign governments and the Democrats and even his fellow Republicans, but he will not achieve a god damn thing.
There will be no wall because it’s an infrastructure project the Repubs won’t want to pay for and Mexico surely won’t. He’ll sign whatever legislation Mitch and Paul can muster up. Goodbye planned parenthood, hello fetal personhood.
I don’t know whether Mitch gets rid of the filibuster–that would be a radical step even for him–but he’ll threaten to do it and that’ll stop the Dems from using it. Pence chooses the SCOTUS pick.
Things will go on this way for a few weeks until one day a foreign leader pisses Trump off, and then it’s hello, war. Obviously he’ll want to hit ISIS, but they’re already doing that, and Flynn has to get Putin’s permission first to do anything rash.
Everyone know he’s hankering to sock it to Iran, but that will take time too. My bet is that it comes in March or April when North Korea usually gets riled up. Kim will be itching for a confrontation, and he knows Trump will bite. It’ll escalate from there.
This sounds like doomsaying, but I see nothing in Trump’s character that would prevent him from launching a nuclear missile at Pyongyang five months hence.
I do think he’s going to repeal Obamacare, obviously, whether or not he replaces it with something else. He’s going to replace Scalia with an even more far-right fire-breathing nutjob. He’s going to try to heavily pressure Kennedy to step down so he can replace him with the like.
He’s going to begin the process of privatizing and ending Social Security and Medicare as we know them, and all other entitlements.
Gone will be all of Obama’s executive orders, especially ones intended to right wrongs and level the playing field. Torture will be back in style, big time. Boots will be back on the ground in the mideast. Trade deals will be abandoned. The Iran deal will be nullified. Putin and Erdogan will be embraced, and Bibi will have his own room in the East Wing.
Oh, and black lives officially no longer matter, more police killings of black men, more black people locked up, more closing down of black schools and businesses and limit investment in black areas, tighter controls on black and non-white immigrants, he’ll look to open the door to more white immigrants though.
Buckle up
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” I know you are white or anti black POC… ”
@RABAB
English, apparently is a language you have difficulty with! Or you’re not terribly culturally bright/discerning. Do you live in a coffin too??
You KNOW nothing except that you’re making your own self look like a silly prick who can’t back up his own surly crap. Don’t come at me with your bullshti and I won’t have to address your stupidity, little man.
I didn’t initiate this nonsense. You did, so you don’t get to tell me to refrain from addressing you. If you sling feces, don’t get all crybaby and hurt feelings when it gets slung right back at you! I can throw as hard as you can.
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i think there is a sort of prurient smugness in a lot of people with trump? the bush regime, almost the clinton regime, it’s ridiculous
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I don’t do social media, but I’ve been paying attention to some of what’s going on with my spouse’s feed. There are Muslim Americans and Jewish Americans exchanging ideas on how to protect their mosques, synagogues, and religious schools, especially in the case of an active shooter. So Trump has already started to unite this country.
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Yeah, and another good thing to come out of a Trump victory -hey, I’m a glass half full kind of guy- it ought to be easy for us to make demands of this president… because, you know, we didn’t like making demands of that other guy, even though police were gunning us down in the streets…
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How are you people surprised?? When Trump first announced his candidacy, I knew he would win the election. You know how I knew? BECAUSE I KNOW THE COUNTRY I LIVE IN AND IT’S PEOPLE! That’s how. How can anyone who even takes a mild interest in the events around him/her not know he was going to win? The average citizen is stupid and tribal. He is what the U.S. deserves.
Best Twitter quote of the night: “Remember people. Don’t forget to turn your clocks back 50 years before going to bed!”
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@Solitaire
That is the plus for me. People are starting to prepare to fight back. Focus on community building. This was a wake up call, although not sure why it took this for the wake up. Whatever it takes I guess.
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That’s the ticket! Out of cynism comes optimism. After experiencing some anxiety over any situation I always opt for the positive!
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@ Sharina
That’s a good way to look at it, but I’m having trouble being optimistic at the moment in the face of so much stark fear. It’s just so depressing. People may be preparing to fight back, but that’s retrenchment, not progress forward.
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don’t worry, guy. it’s only a dream. seems so real, doesn’t it? c’mon. you didnt think trump could actually win in real life did you? you’ll wake up any minute now
any
minute…
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@ Nomad
If that’s directed at me, yes, of course I thought Trump could win. I have no illusions about what this nation is capable of.
For someone who says he didn’t support Trump, you’re sounding an awful lot like you’re gloating.
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not directed at you. just hillarions in general. sorry if it sounded like what it was. the fall of the house of Clinton and Obama and our corporate media. if I cant gloat about that whats the meaning of life?
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“the fall of the house of Clinton and Obama and our corporate media. if I cant gloat about that whats the meaning of life?”
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LMSAO!
It would be great to also gloat about (hopefully) the end/fall of: Amerikan hegemony, dropping bombs in sovereign nations, manufacturing no fly zones, the creation of terror cells/groups, gas and oil pipelines, assassinations, drone strikes, arms sales and other criminal profiteering related to war, talk of war against Iran, playing the world’s police, denial of the impending economic crisis, insatiable banksters and wall street hustlers with criminal agendas, the US military’s presence in AFRICA, child slave trafficking and gov’t officials having sex with children.
@Someguy
Yep, Amerika has the president she deserves. It could have been a lot worse for the country had Hillary won. All of the above, plus.
Hillary didn’t do much good for the country (if anything at all) as SoS. What good would she have done as the POTUS? Where would a conspicuous lying criminal lead the US???
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You know that job you always wanted but you’re totally unqualified for, have no experience in and don’t have a chance of ever actually having? Go and get it, Trump did!
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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups-George Carlin. This is who the Trump supporters are.
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@ Nomad
I understand to an extent. One of my major problems with Hillary was the whole Clinton empire/legacy thing. I don’t want to see the presidency exchanged between two or three families for the rest of my life.
But the gloating is hard to take right now when so many people I love and care about are scared for their bodily safety. Not that they aren’t always scared, but very much more so today.
They may be overreacting, but then again, we know what this nation is capable of doing to people deemed undesirable.
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I appreciate that. But not persuaded to stop the way I express my take on what’s happening. You called it gloating and perhaps I should not have agreed with that characterization. But yeah, you could call it gloating. Whatever it is I will continue to do as I see fit.
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We’re screwed…again. This will be the 80’s all over again. We elected an actor named Reagan, and look how that turned out.
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@ Nomad
That’s fine. I won’t call it gloating again, and you can jubilate from here on out without any comment from me. Not feeling it myself but I don’t want to rain on your parade.
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now see. jubilate is worse than gloat. I’m not jubilating. I was just playing a little mind game meant to tease, if I got to be specific. I was imagining someone reading this (a hillarion): “you’re dreaming” and having them pause for a moment and consider the surrealness of their plight and wonder if they might actually be dreaming. a little perverse. I know. I know.
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Hey guys – been a while since I’ve posted, just wanted to stop by and say hello.
Brothawolf – I remember the 1980’s very fondly, good economy, cold war came to an end, Yeah – if this New President can bring that kind of prosperity back the country, he’s a winner.
How is it that you think you were screwed?
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@Riverside_Rob,
I noticed a lot of the alt-right is coming out of the woodwork to claim credit for Trump’s election. I’m glad you have something to celebrate.
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@ Nomad
See, I thought jubilating was better than gloating. I think of jubilating as just being exuberantly happy and celebrating, free of any schadenfreude.
Ok, you were teasing then. Believe me, I am wide awake with no possibility of even for a second thinking I may be dreaming. Might work on someone else, though…
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@Someguy,
Yes, we got the president we deserve. It is what it is.
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@ Some Guy
I only felt that Trump could be a serious contender against Clinton specifically, because she is so disliked. I’m surprised you were so certain of Trump’s eventual success, right from the get go. Would you have been so certain had the contest come down to Sanders vs. Trump (the way it should have shaken out, if not for the corrupt DNC).
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This is how people must have felt when war broke out in 1914. Something has fundamentally shifted in the world but it hasn’t affected one’s personal life yet.
All seriousness aside, one has to concede that the lunatics from 4chan and reddit/pol are talented people.
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@Solitaire
semantics I guess.. gloating? maybe. but i’d have to be sadistic to jubilant about it. you know, like Clinton over the death of Gadhafi. im smirking but not laughing out loud.
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@ Anne, Some Guy and others who are beating up themselves and the public.
It’s easy to come up with all sorts of narratives about why the election has gone the way it has. It’s too oversimplifying to say “Americans are dumb and now they’ve got what they deserve” That sort of narrative is a good way to cause further disenfranchisement and to increase/create bad feeling towards one’s fellow citizens.
Narrative/Schmarative! If Sanders had become the Democrats’ candidate as was supposed to happen, we might well have seen an “Obama 3rd term”.
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Trump is disgusting but at least you guys haven’t elected a Stalin or Hitler – yet!
It would be a good idea to pay attention to the segment of society who voted Trump in, rather than dismiss them all out of hand as “bad” or “racist” or whatever.
In the 90’s Clinton (Bill) and Mickey Cantor set up the disembowling of the middle class with NAFTA. Clinton probably never thought in a million years that it would come back as a giant F–K you some 20 years later. It’s not all about bad people or right wing evangelicals or whatever voting for Trump, it’s a whole spectrum of things.
Have a look at this documentary for at least the first 15 mins. The man from Arizona who is now earning a pittance and living without electricity. He voted for Trump too, but you can see he’s intelligent and as sane as anyone. His problem is that he is in massive social and economic distress. I don’t think anyone needs the reminder on the sorts of horrors that become possible during times of extreme economic distress.
(I’m not necessarily saying that the man’s views are necessarily correct or incorrect, I’m saying he has a situation and beliefs about that situation that are very real to him and he took hold of the political option that he thought made the most sense-for his plight)
Documentary: Trumpland
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0sUZxwJHNQ)
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*I’m not necessarily saying that the man’s views are correct or incorrect…
correction to a sentence in a comment that is in moderation.
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just re-watching it; the woman from Argentina makes some good points too.
(comment will make sense when the other one comes out of moderation)
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@ Nomad
Ok, I see why jubilating wasn’t the right term. You’re not over-the-top happy, just feeling a little smirk-ish. Carry on, then!
@ Lord of Mirkwood
I was already thinking last night that Trump is like a Frankenstein monster built out of Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, and George Wallace.
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@ Solitaire
‘I was already thinking last night that Trump is like a Frankenstein monster built out of Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, and George Wallace.’
With a bit of Porky Pig thrown in for good measure!
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“There are Muslim Americans and Jewish Americans exchanging ideas on how to protect their mosques, synagogues, and religious schools, especially in the case of an active shooter. So Trump has already started to unite this country.”
I always said that the flipside of this is that people will not be complacent under President Trump as they were under Obama and probably would be under Clinton. Dylan Roof’s church shooting happened under Obama, the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting happened under Obama, the Pulse nightclub massacre happened under Obama, Tamir Rice, John Crawford, and many others, happened Obama.
I’m not blaming him specificaly for those things, just saying that those threats always existed. Honestly, I’d be lying if I said I won’t miss the 44th President to some extent. He was disappointing in ways that others have listed but he was very polished as a presidential figure and will probably be fondly remembered as a welcome interposition between the abhorrent nincompoop, G.W Bush, and the questionable Trump, who I honestly hope will not be as disastrous as the more pessimistic among us fear.
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@ Lord of Mirkwood
I agree more with Legion than with what you said. It does no good to write off entire sections of our nation. It is intellectually lazy and fosters an overly simplistic view of the divisions present in this country.
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@ this Fan person
If you don’t feel the anxiety I feel as a person of color with Trump as president you probably are caucasian especially after years of hanging on this blog and seeing how history can repeat itself with Trump in the white house. I read of some Sikhs getting shot, killed, harassed and beaten. Trump is scam artist that had multiple casinos close and employees hung out to dry. Trump University Scam and of course there’s his unreleased tax forms. His father along with Trump used to discriminate against tenants based on race just like Donald Sterling.. Trump is also an imbecile ……. People are worried right now for the supposed green light Trump implies to do harm unto others that are not mainstream rednecks like them..
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I recognize Trump for what he is. He’s the perfect catalyst. He won’t destroy America. He’s in place to prepare the proper environment for another. It’s a gradual and insidious process, which will take years of gestation, and the real threat is most likely still in grade school.
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I believe a stage magician once said that it’s easy to fool people because deep down inside, they really want to be fooled.
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I rest my hopes in his prompt impeachment for any number of stupid things he has done. I also hope Mike Pence gets dragged down with him because he is also a servant of Satan. Also making a huge ruckus over the next four years to fight everything he does.
Living on the West Coast here I’m a bit concerned about nuclear attacks on our shores from the DPRK or somewhere else in Asia.
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@Fan @nomad
A part of me is relieved that Hillary Clinton was defeated, but I do not share your apparent glee. Partly because it has brought us Trump in its wake. Partly because I am not so sure that the Clintons will not continue to be power brokers within the party.
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“If you don’t feel the anxiety I feel as a person of color with Trump as president you probably are caucasian especially after years of hanging on this blog and seeing how history can repeat itself with Trump in the white house.”
@TeddyBear Genius
Are you (and RAHAB) smoking crack!
Actually, I am your daddy, star-fleet. lol Ask ya mama. She named me fan coz she said I was like a smooth summer breeze! Ask her if I’m white! (hint: just coz you my secret son don’t mean we have identical feelings about Trump or anything else.)
Now that you know the deal, you can me Pops, son. If you wish.
I’m still Fan … to everyone else.
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@ Abagond
I’m not feeling any glee here. If anything I’m feeling a slight sense of dread regarding Trump’s joining the establishment’s organization… meaning more military actions (killing) overseas! I’m not down with the rich sending other people’s kids to die for their greed.
I’m glad Hill & Bill aren’t in the top seat, but will Trump revert to the typical politician’s default position and fail to put the Clintons away for their almost countless crimes? People that can get away with murder continue to murder… and others watching see that they can probably get away with it also. Will there be an end to the downward slide toward totalitarianism/militarism? Probably not.
I think the only thing we can count on is that there’s some hope he isn’t likely to pick a fight with Russia … right away. Let’s hope that Trump can exceed our expectations and rise above his campaign rhetoric and the challenges of the office by surrounding himself with smart/wise people and make decisions that’s best for the 99% in Amerika.
As you said, time will tell. Interesting times ahead!
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@ sleepyhead
The Republican party would love to have the impeachment option. Trump isn’t one of them at all. Some of them may well have entertained this notion as a political option, I myself thought it was possible, but I overlooked something.
Now that Trump is president his base will probably congeal around Trump so much, that impeaching him will be too dangerous when considering the social ramifications.
Now that he is President the best thing would be for him to openly betray his base to a degree which even the biggest blockheads among them can not ignore and then in four years a competent person and a better person but most importantly: a person who offers all Americans real social and economic benefits can take the White House. However, I’m not advising you Americans to sit back in political passivity for four years, things will just get worse if you do that.
In short: the impeachment thing would probably lead to unintended consequences of a very, very destructive sort.
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Totally unrelated:
I’ve been thinking that Michael Bloomberg must be kicking himself for not running. But his chances might only have been realistic had he run as a Republican and I think he was only ever going to run as an independent.
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@ Fan
I know the answer to your question. Trump will definitely NOT seek ANY investigation of the Clintons for ANYTHING, including the unprotected emails that he made such a big deal of during the campaign. Trump telegraphed this in his acceptance speech, did you not hear how gentle he was on Clinton? Further and more significantly, the political establishment (both parties in the duopoly) don’t want to release a genie, that can never be put back in it’s lamp, of indicting one another. Both parties would end up destroyed and the business community would no longer have their dutiful handmaidens anymore. The Clintons will be left alone.
If my above assessment comes to pass, Trump’s base should immediately recognize this as the first indicator that he really did not mean many of the things he said while campaigning-they should take it that way, but they won’t.
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https://www.thenation.com/article/this-is-what-white-supremacy-looks-like/
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https://newrepublic.com/minutes/138632/hillary-clinton-barack-obama-argued-system-working-its-not-working
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@abagond
“@Fan @nomad
A part of me is relieved that Hillary Clinton was defeated, but I do not share your apparent glee. Partly because it has brought us Trump in its wake. Partly because I am not so sure that the Clintons will not continue to be power brokers within the party.”
Oh yeah, that would really be bad. And yet you wanted them back in the White House. Gloat gloat.
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the part of you that is relieved has never showed before she crashed and burned. according to you everything depended on electing that murderous criminal.
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I can understand why people don’t appreciate my sense of humor. But I can’t help having it. Just call me Ironymous.
What if Hillary had won.
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For those of you thinking of moving to Canada and claiming refugee status;
Don’t.
Seriously, as a Canadian, I had initial feelings of anxiety when I learned that Trump won the election but I wasn’t keen on Clinton either. What I found particularly bizarre, was the lack of comprehensive platforms from either party. If there’s was, they weren’t publicized to the extent of the accusations, mudslinging was concerned. The US is our biggest trading partner so we could be affected adversely.
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moose proof fence!
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Some hilarity:
(http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/grab-trump-pussy?akid=14864.1929437.zLTN-r&rd=1&src=newsletter1066939&t=14)
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Not a convenient time for me to read it just yet, but I thought some/many of you would be interested: Why does the Electoral College continue to exist?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/us/politics/the-electoral-college-is-hated-by-many-so-why-does-it-endure.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=ts-item%204_of_5&module=span-abc-region®ion=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region&_r=0
Damn, that needs some tinyurl love.
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BTW, here are some final maps by country. That’s an awful lot of red.
http://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/how-the-election-unfolded/
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why Clinton lost
https://politicalfilm.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/dems-copy.png?w=720&quality=80&strip=info
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One only has to listen to our great, great late black sister Dr Francis Cress Welsing
Who was author of the ISIS papers
She predicted a Trump victory last year (Before the primaries…..that is before Trump was even the main republican candidate when he something like a 250-1 shot on being president)
SIMPLY STUNNING
Before she passed away in Jan.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RErO9oCODpc)
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@ Origin
Interesting map! Thank you!
Notice that Clinton won most of counties along the actual Mexican border and most of the actual Rust Belt cities. She also won most of counties that suffered actual terrorism by Muslims. And most of the counties that suffer from persistent poverty outside of Appalachia (Mississippi Delta, Mexican border, Indian reservations, etc).
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Investigative historian Eric Zuesse says these fools were planning war with Russia -these fools Obama and Clinton. So we might have dodged a bullet in the rejection of Clinton (not withstanding that in dodging that bullet we were hit by trumps)
” “Department of Defense Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn: Trump’s national security adviser was fired from his post as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014…
There was no indication whatsoever… that Flynn had been fired on account of any “hawkishness.” …the exact opposite: he was too ‘dovish’ to suit the neoconservative Barack Obama, who was now demanding that all of his top military generals support his goal of going to war against Russia. Flynn objected to that by saying that only one war at a time makes any sense, and that this war must be the defeat of jihadists, nothing else — certainly not a war against the other nuclear superpower.
Rather than Flynn’s support of Trump being a reflection of their shared ‘hawkishness’, it reflects their strong belief that the view that Barack Obama holds and that Hillary Clinton holds even more strongly — that the war against jihadists must be subordinated to the war against Russia — is a totally upside-down view of the priorities, and that instead of the U.S. supporting jihadists who are warring against Russia and its allies, the U.S. ought to be supporting Russia and its allies who are warring against jihadists.”
I wish I knew how to . instaed I’ll just repeat
“the neoconservative Barack Obama, who was now demanding that all of his top military generals support his goal of going to war against Russia”
” Barack Obama holds and that Hillary Clinton holds even more strongly — that the war against jihadists must be subordinated to the war against Russia — is a totally upside-down view of the priorities”
Worse than that, it’s madness. This is what Americans, thank God, rejected. It’s criminally insane.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/11/salon-gets-away-deceiving-readers.html
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I wish I knew how to bold. Well you don’t use <.
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@ nomad
Bolding and other commenting tips:
https://www.google.co.ke/amp/s/abagond.wordpress.com/2013/03/06/tips-on-commenting/amp/
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“@ TeddyBearDaddy..
My sentiment exactly…I think your earlier comment is probably true. That creature ”Fan” is most likely a digital blackface troll. – I try to humour the mentally ill 🙂 – It seems the most rabid bigots tend to pretend to be blacks to make it appear as if blacks supporting their less than humane views. I guess insanity must invent its own cheering section
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Fan..
What did I say about not addressing me? Stay mad little man..
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P.J. O’Rourke on the election: I wanted both of them to lose. Half of me is happy.
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@ Rabab
You cannot go around insulting people and then demand they do not talk to you. Who do you think you are?
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Hey Ragag
What would YOU know about who’s Black or not? After all, it takes one to know one!
You (and your lil’ boyfriend TBD) still can’t come up with a cogent argument for your pathetic supposition that I must not be Black because … can y’all??
The bottom line is that I don’t care what either of you ignoramuses think or say that I am. Please continue showcasing that the both of you mental midgets are extraordinary dummies (no offense to useful dummies!) who couldn’t process yourselves out of a trap made of wet toilet paper.
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Can I bash Clinton some more? This guy nails why no black person should evah vote for Clinton.
“Must I really review the Clinton record to make my point? It seems I must. Let’s start, somewhat arbitrarily, in 2009, when Clinton’s State Department handed Honduras off to fascists and US-trained death squads because the president there wanted to block a dam project and raise the minimum wage. By 2012, more than 300 people, mostly activists, journalists and members of opposition parties had been murdered.
Then in 2011, she helped engineer the ruin of Libya and gloated over the knife-rape murder of its pan-Africanist leader, knowing full well that the “rebels” she and her NATO pals turned the country over to would hunt down and kill Black Libyans.
Her State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments had given money to the Clinton Foundation. Recipients of Clinton-brokered weapons include Saudi Arabia, which funds ISIL and wages asymmetric war on Yemen. This amount, accrued over just three years, is double arm sales approved by George W. Bush’s State Department during his second term.
Throughout her career she has been the best friend a genocidal, blood-soaked Israel could possibly want. When she’s not directly aiding and abetting mass death and chaos, she speaks fondly of attacking Iran — with nukes no less — and imposing a no-fly zone over Syria against Russia.
She is part of a political dynasty that practically invented the mass caging of African-American men; that murdered more than a half million Iraqi children through sanctions; that gutted the social safety net; and that runs a foundation that in addition to taking cash for state favors as in the above-mentioned Saudi weapons deal, extracts personal gain from misery as in Haiti.
Prior to this most recent presidential election, neither she, nor her husband ever waged a campaign that was not infected with racist pandering and dog-whistles. See Ricky Ray Rector, Sistah Soulja, “superpredators,” and Hillary’s infamous assassination remark, for some examples. This time they left the racism to Trump, enjoining their numerous media lackeys to promote him and his reactionary filth, so as to terrify people into voting for Hillary.”
https://ohtarzie.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/fuck-your-partisan-anti-racism/
and I think hes white
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@abagond
“You cannot go around insulting people and then demand they do not talk to you. Who do you think you are?”
Well, maybe he thinks he’s the same person you enabled to do the same thing.
@TheHipHopRecords
I would only expect the wise Dr. Welsing to accurately predict it, just as I accurately predicted his win on this blog. Great minds think alike, I suppose.
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“and I think hes white” (thanks nomad ….)
“like my newly discovered Daddy, this Fan person!” LOL
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“Hey Pops, can you teach me how to play basketball, and show me how to dance, and where to find the right businesses to loot during a riot and a hurricane?”
(Because TBD’s conventional wisdom says ALL Black people are good at these things!)
Certainly son! Especially if you instruct me on some of that oriental karate/Bruce Lee stuff… and mathematics and using chopsticks to catch flies in mid flight.
(Everyone knows all Asians know martial arts, right? Plus (pun intended) they’re all excellent at math! Well at least they know about *adding* sons while *subtracting* daughters.)
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And Black Lives Matter didn’t matter to the Clinton campaign
“If approached…don’t offer support for concrete policy positions.”
(https://youtu.be/50KWXJp3vI8?t=11m41s)
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Can I bash Clinton once more? Promise. Last time. But this is just too too funny not to post.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/11/14/donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton-walk-in-to-a-bar/
Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton walk in to a bar.
Donald leans over, and with a smile on his face, says,
“The media is really tearing you apart for that Scandal.”
Hillary: “You mean my lying about Benghazi?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the massive voter fraud?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the military not getting their votes counted?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Using my secret private server with classified material to hide my Activities?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything else?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Using the Clinton Foundation as a cover for tax evasion, hiring cronies, and taking bribes from foreign countries?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean the drones being operated in our own country without the benefit of the law?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million, and right afterward it declared bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean arming the Muslim Brotherhood and hiring them in the White House?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “Whitewater, Watergate committee, Vince Foster, commodity Deals?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Turning Libya into chaos?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Being the mastermind of the so-called Arab Spring that only brought chaos, death and destruction to the Middle East and North Africa?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Leaving four Americans to die in Benghazi?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Trashing Mubarak, one of our few Muslim friends?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The funding and arming of terrorists in Syria, the destruction and destabilization of that nation, giving the order to our lapdogs in Turkey and Saudi Arabia to give sarin gas to the “moderate” terrorists in Syria that they eventually used on civilians, and framed Assad, and had it not been for the Russians and Putin, we would have used that as a pretext to invade Syria, put a puppet in power, steal their natural resources, and leave that country in total chaos, just like we did with Libya?
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “The creation of the biggest refugees crisis since WWII?”
Trump: “No the other one:”
Hillary: “Leaving Iraq in chaos?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “The DOJ spying on the press?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “You mean HHS Secretary Sibelius shaking down health insurance Executives?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “Giving our cronies in SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 months later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “The NSA monitoring citizens?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “The State Department interfering with an Inspector General Investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “Me, The IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “Threats to all of Bill’s former mistresses to keep them quiet?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “You mean the INSIDER TRADING of the Tyson chicken deal I did where I invested $1,000 and the next year I got $100,000?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “You mean when Bill met with Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, just before my hearing with the FBI to cut a deal?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “You mean the one where my IT guy at Platte River Networks asked Reddit for help to alter emails?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “You mean where the former Haitian Senate President accused me and my foundation of asking him for bribes?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “You mean that old video of me laughing as I explain how I got the charges against that child rapist dropped by blaming the young girl for liking older men and fantasising about them. Even though I knew the guy was guilty?
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “You mean that video of me coughing up a giant green lunger into my drinking glass then drinking it back down?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “You mean that video of me passing out on the curb and losing my shoe?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “You mean when I robbed Bernie Sanders of the Democratic Party Nomination by having the DNC rig the nomination process so that I would win?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “You mean how so many people that oppose me have died in mysterious ways?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “Travel Gate? When seven employees of the White House Travel Office were fired so that friends of Bill and mine could take over the travel business? And when I lied under oath during the investigation by the FBI, the Department of Justice, the White House itself, the General Accounting Office, the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, and the Whitewater Independent Counsel?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “The scandal where (while I was Secretary if State) the State Department signed off on a deal to sell 20% of the USA’s uranium to a Canadian corporation that the Russians bought, netting a $145 million donation from Russia to the Clinton Foundation and a $500,000 speaking gig for Bill from the Russian Investment Bank that set up the corporate buyout? That scandal?”
Trump: “No, the other one.”
Hillary: “That time I lied when I said I was under sniper fire when I got off the plane in Bosnia?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “That time when after I became the First Lady, I improperly requested a bunch of FBI files so I could look for blackmail material on government insiders?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “That time when Bill nominated Zoe Baird as Attorney General, even though we knew she hired illegal immigrants and didn’t pay payroll taxes on them?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “When I got Nigeria exempted from foreign aid transparency guidelines despite evidence of corruption because they gave Bill $700,000 in speaking fees?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “That time in 2009 when Honduran military forces allied with rightist lawmakers ousted democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya, and I as then-Secretary of State sided with the armed forces and fought global pressure to reinstate him?”
Trump: “No, the other one:”
Hillary: “I give up! … Oh wait, I think I’ve got it! When I stole the White House furniture and silverware when Bill left Office?”
Trump: “THAT’S IT, THAT ONE”
Hillary: “I thought I’d got away with that one dammit !!!”.
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“Can I bash Clinton once more? Promise. Last time. But this is just too too funny not to post.”
Funny, yet TRUE. Great find! And with the released wikileaks emails, there’s even more.
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@Abagond… Who do I think I am? I am a Rabab Messay.. Funny how you ignore his insults towards me, see the hypocrisy of your actions? Bye…
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@Fan… and you are still talking,
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@Abagond.. One more thing,, Little man is an insults? Get over yourself
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@Abagond.. Since you missed the conversation between both of us, here is it.
ME: Obomber? You have to be white. Anyways, I would like to congratulate the white race on their victory
FAN: What’s going on with you people? A few posts up I saw some clown telling Abagond that he thinks I’m latino. I’m neither white or latino. Not even a tiny bit. I’m probably much Blacker than you! And why shouldn’t I refer to Obomber this way? Isn’t that what he does?? Orders the bombing of certain people and places??
Apparently you think because I’m Black I’m supposed to automatically agree with what he’s doing?? If you do, you’ve got some serious issues!
ME: One discovers the light in darkness. That is what darkness is for. But everything in our lives depends on how we bear the light. It is necessary, while in darkness, to know that there is a light somewhere, to know that in oneself, waiting to be found there is a light. What the light reveals is danger, and what it demands is faith…I know we often lose…and how often one feels that one cannot start again. And yet, on pain of death, one can never remain where one is. The light. The light. One will perish without the light…For nothing is fixed, forever, and forever, and forever, it is not fixed; the earth is always shifting, the light is always changing, the sea does not cease to grind down rock. Generations do not cease to be born, and we are responsible to them because we are the only witnesses they have…The sea rises, the light fails, lovers cling to each other, and children cling to us. And the moment we cease to hold each other, the moment we break faith with one another, the sea engulfs us and the light goes out.”
— James Baldwin
FAN: Was that James Baldwin quote meant for me? If not, then I’ll assume that you have no reasonable response as to why you’ve insulted me by declaring that I have to be white.
If yes, could you break down what you’re trying to use it to convey?
ME: That was a response to the situation,, nothing to do with you. I know you are white or anti black POC… Either way, I have no desire to engage you.. Refrain from addressing me
FAN: English, apparently is a language you have difficulty with! Or you’re not terribly culturally bright/discerning. Do you live in a coffin too??
You KNOW nothing except that you’re making your own self look like a silly prick who can’t back up his own surly crap. Don’t come at me with your bullshti and I won’t have to address your stupidity, little man.
I didn’t initiate this nonsense. You did, so you don’t get to tell me to refrain from addressing you. If you sling feces, don’t get all crybaby and hurt feelings when it gets slung right back at you! I can throw as hard as you can.
‘’NOTICE THE INSULTS IN HIS RESPONSE.. REFERRING TO ME AS LITTLE MAN’’ SOMETHING YOU FAIL TO CALL HIM OUT ON, BUT YOU ATTACKED ME FOR USING HIS OWN WORD AGAINST HIM,’’
ME: What did I say about not addressing me? Stay mad little man.
You: You cannot go around insulting people and then demand they do not talk to you. Who do you think you are?
(which people did I insult? How do you call this kind of argument?)
FAN: Hey Ragag
What would YOU know about who’s Black or not? After all, it takes one to know one!
You (and your lil’ boyfriend TBD) still can’t come up with a cogent argument for your pathetic supposition that I must not be Black because … can y’all??
The bottom line is that I don’t care what either of you ignoramuses think or say that I am. Please continue showcasing that the both of you mental midgets are extraordinary dummies (no offense to useful dummies!) who couldn’t process yourselves out of a trap made of wet toilet paper.
Can you see how you attacked me for something he initiated? What did I do to deserve to be spoken to like that by you, when all want is for that man to leave me alone. And even when is continue to insult me you made no mention of it. Thanks for the hypocrisy.
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@Fan.. You really have nothing to do? Obama is not African and definitely not Afro/black Arab like me, I really dont know why I felt the need to comment on your attack on him. More importantly, I am not Afro American, I dont know why I felt the need to come on this page. You are right, I brought this on myself. I will go hang with my fellow Afro Arabs and talk about issues that affect my peope, and leave you Afro Americans to your issues.. Sorry,,,
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I am not a boy,, I am a woman, thank you very much… Rabab is a female name
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Fan,, You insulted me and then deleted your comment. Wow
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@Fan
Comment deleted for not calling a commenter by their right name.
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What attack did I make on Obomber?
Did that OFFEND you? Obomber.
Why? Isn’t that what he does, orders his military forces to kill people with bombs and drones in places quite far away from the Motherland??? Do you think those bombs that fall are especially “smart” and only blow up terrorists, alone.
Why would YOU need to call me a “WHITE” person because I call it as I see it, and then not offer an apology after I made it clear that I’m not white?? Do you classify each and every Black person that doesn’t think or say as you do as a white person?? Do Black people owe some special loyalty to other Blacks whose actions are believed to be unconscionable, or their Blackness should be revoked??
I guess to you I’m not much of a BLACK person. But to me you’re not much of a woman, or whatever you really are. Women are generally less hawkish than men, so perhaps you’re not really a woman! How does that feel???
If it doesn’t feel good then you should consider not dishing it out!
Don’t start fights you can’t finish.
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Fan.. I have not business in Afro American issues,,, I should never have commented on your dehumanization of Obama or your support for Trump… Have a great life.. My last response here. I will continue to read this blog as I have done since 2009, as find the material here very education. .. But never comment again. Yes, you are an African American… I apologise
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Sorry for the typo..
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Comments are generally welcome here. No one is saying that you shouldn’t comment!
However, your supposition that I’m dehumanizing Obomber is rather weak. What about all of the hundreds of thousands (if not more) of human lives that he and his predecessor, Bush II, ended with bombs, missiles, flames and bullets??
Tell me, which act is truly dehumanizing? Me calling the man who ran on a campaign promises of “withdrawal & bringing the troops home” plus “CHANGE,” Obomber, or those thousands of dead Iraqi/Afghani/Pakistani/other women and children whose lives were cut short because of some vague idea of a war on terror? A war for profit is what it’s about. Killing for profit!
Obomber (the “dehumanized” president – according to you) still gets to sit down and have delightful meals with his family as often as he pleases. Yet his overseas policies have seen to it that too many other Brown, Black and other people who never harmed Amerika will never enjoy the simplest mundane times with their loved ones again, on this side of eternity. Did I really have to spell all of that out for you? Can you not think and see what’s real for yourself??
Dehumanizing (killing) is what he does. Not what I call him.
FYI, I’m no Fan of Trump, either! He’s just a bit less likely to war with Russia than that evil wicked woman (and her equally evil husband).
If you’re honest regarding your apology, I will accept it.
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Seems like no one will admit to being a “Fan of Trump”. It is like no one is willing to admit they are racist.
I wonder if there are any actual closet fans of Trump lurking here.
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@ jefe
Yes, “I’m no fan of Trump” is the new “I’m not racist but …”
Some of the commenters here are so deep in the Kool-Aid that they have to be Trump supporters.
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@ jefe and abagond
“Yes, “I’m no fan of Trump” is the new “I’m not racist but …”
As is what you guys love to parrot: “I hate Hillary Clinton, but Trump is the greater danger/evil!”
How is it any different for you folks who see HRC as the lesser of the two evils??? (Lesser to you must mean nuclear annihilation!) You dudes are so vested in your denial, delusion and derangement that you undoubtedly own the global production rights of “blue pills.”
If anyone wants to see what a “blue pill” addiction looks like, they need look no further than this site.
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“Obomber”. That’s so disrespectful. Call him “The Drone Ranger”. “Hi yo depleted uranium! Awayyyyy!
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@nomad
Comment deleted for use of slur.
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@Fan
“How is it any different for you folks who see HRC as the lesser of the two evils??? ”
It’s not. They react as if opposition to the murderous, reckless, incompetent, physically sick , criminally insane and insidiously racist Hillary Clinton is racial heresy. And it means that you are an advocate of Trump. They keep pointing to the what he is doing and expecting those in opposition to Clinton of defend his actions. I, and you too, have made it clear from the beginning that I am no fan of Trump. That’s not new. And it’s certainly not in the same category as “I’m not a racist but…”. I simply couldn’t vote for the killer woman.
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I wanted to say ‘killer witch’. Not sure if that’s okay. Can I call her a witch?
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@ Fan
I am hardly a blue-pill Clintonite. Since 1992 I have voted against them four out of six times. On this blog my anti-Hillary writings go back to 2008. I did not endorse her till July 2016 when she remained the only thing standing between Donald Trump and the White House. On this blog I have criticized both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump at length. If I have been harder on Trump, that is because he is way worse. I do not buy into the wilder conspiracy theories about her because I still have more than two functioning brain cells left.
Your protestations of not being a fan of Trump do not add up. I know that because you have a hard time wrapping your head around the idea that I can be against BOTH Donald Trump AND Hillary Clinton AT THE SAME TIME. Which means you do not belong to that camp yourself. Which, given your many anti-Hillary rants and lack of anti-Trump ones, tells me one thing.
MOST of the Trump Non-Fan Club on this blog are too deep into his Kool-Aid to believe that they are not his supporters.
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@ nomad
Witch is fine.
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yes, fan, you must prove your political correctness by ranting against trump. there is no other way.
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“@ nomad
Witch is fine.”
is it okay if by ‘witch’ I mean something that rhymes with witch or can I say ‘b-tch’ or ‘bcith’ or ‘B’?
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@ nomad
Witch meaning an evil woman is fine.
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@ Rabab
My apologies. I did not see the prick comment or the Ragag one.
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“abagond
@ Rabab
My apologies. I did not see the prick comment …”
PRICK
Noun
1. The act of puncturing with a small point.
2. Obscene terms for penis.
3. Insulting terms of address for people who are stupid or irritating or ridiculous.
4. A depression scratched or carved into a surface.
Verb
1. Stab or urge on as if with a pointed stick.
2. Make a small hole into, as with a needle or a thorn.
3. Deliver a sting to.
4. To cause a sharp emotional pain.
5. Raise.
6. Cause a prickling sensation.
7. Cause a stinging pain.
???????????????????
Is there something wrong with using the word, “prick?”
Are you going to moderate it (and me) now?
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@ Fan
It is not a moderated word. I called it the prick comment so she would know which one I meant.
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@ Abagond
“I do not buy into the wilder conspiracy theories about her because I still have more than two functioning brain cells left.”
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Which “wilder conspiracy theories” about HRC would those be??
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Why does everyone hate witches? Damn christianity is like a scourge upon the land.
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v8driver
I don’t hate witches. It’s just a convenient substitute.
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wooo hooo witch-ay woman
see how high she fly-eye-eyes
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Fantastic beasts and where to find them i do not need advice thank you. Secondly ha ha show some decorum people. I give up.
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As a fan of neither I just look on with the WOW face.
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“I do not buy into the wilder conspiracy theories about her because I still have more than two functioning brain cells left”
But abagond does “buy into the wilder conspiracy theories about” Trump being a Putin puppet and uses scare tactics like suggesting he’s Hitler or will send non-whites to “internment camps”.
But you’d have to be a hypocrite to both “hate” and spend countless blog posts telling everyone to vote for Clinton.
Even though he supposedly lives in a state that’s always a shoe-in for the Democrat candidate, he can’t even bring himself to vote for someone else like Jill Stein, who he admits is “more ideologically and morally satisfying”.
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@ Abagond
“MOST of the Trump Non-Fan Club on this blog are too deep into his Kool-Aid to believe that they are not his supporters. ”
You MUST have been looking at your reflection in the mirror and pondering your own tired dilemma (cognitive dissonance) as you meant to write: MOST of the Hillary Clinton Non-Fan Club on this blog are too deep into her Kool-Aid to believe that they are not her supporters.
If it’s up to me, (and if you HC supporters don’t mind) I prefer not to be vaporized before I experience at least two more birthdays! If I have to die, I rather it not be terribly immediate. I want at least a little time to get used to the idea of my impending doom! Anywho …
Pushing all that morbid depressing talk of HC and death by nuclear weaponry aside, are you and Jefe now selling shares in your Blue Pill operations cheap? I’m looking for a great forward moving stock investment. My hunch is that those Blue Pills shares are about to take off like a rocket as the world is chock full of people that are desperately seeking to avoid the reality that besieges them, at any and all costs. I’ve lost a bit of money on the ‘Red Pills’ and wish to recoup my losses, just in case the crazy people don’t blow the world up tomorrow. Silly me … I should have realized sooner that the truth isn’t for many people’s imaginary and manufactured programmed existence. YOU know… like in The Matrix .. 1984 .. Jim Carey’s character in The Truman Show .. and so on.
BTW, I’m still patiently waiting on an answer to:
Which “wilder conspiracy theories” about HRC would those be??
Take as much time as you need. Cognitive Dissonance brings on a lot of stress – so I’m told.
Happy (& fun) Holidays for you and your loved ones, Aba!
Your Fan …. 🙂
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Seems like no one will admit to being a “Fan of Trump”. It is like no one is willing to admit they are racist.
I am a huge fan of Trump from a comical perspective(you have to laugh to keep from crying). Trump and MAD magazine are a match made in heaven(or hell for example):
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@Herneith
Good one!
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Today the court denied Stein’s request to do the recount by hand: http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/28/elections-staff-layout-recount-timeline/94539210/
While the MSM, like the Chicago Tribune just said: “There’s been no indication of widespread vote manipulation, illegal voting or hacking that materially affected the outcome one way or the other.”
Jill Stein (joined by Hillary’s campaign) are still saying the opposite:
“In August 2016, it was widely reported that foreign operators breached voter registration databases in at least two states and stole hundreds of thousands of voter records”
“In Wisconsin, there is evidence of voting irregularities in the 2016 presidential election that indicate potential tampering with electronic voting systems. Specifically, there was a significant increase in the number of absentee voters as compared to the last general election. This significant increase could be attributed to a breach of the state’s electronic voter database.”
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Stein just filed in Pennsylvania based on her allegations of fraud. I wonder when Hillary supporters will label her a conspiracy theorist?
Democratic “strategists” are also rushing to make public statements today advising Hillary to stay out of it (she has to keep up appearances since she already “conceded defeat”).
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@resw
Stein should this was the perfect election for third party, or at least it should have been, and I find it hard that they did not get as much votes as they should have.
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@sharinalr
Because the MSM and other Hillary-shilling blogs like this one guilted/scared too many would-be-third-party voters into voting for Hillary as the “lesser evil.”
It is ironic that this third-party candidate who said so much negative about Clinton, is now working to get Clinton elected.
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Skimming over these comments 2 years later, after Abagond linked this post from here: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2018/11/06/vote/
I had forgotten all about my comment here:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2016/11/08/us-election-day-2016/#comment-357661
Sadly, it no longer seems like paranoia but instead an accurate prediction.
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Update (2020): What the real Clear Politics opinion poll average said on the eve of the election (same as above in the post):
45.5% Hillary Clinton
42.2% Donald Trump
4.7% Gary Johnson
1.9% Jill Stein
5.7% undecided or other
How people actually voted:
48.2% Hillary Clinton
46.1% Donald Trump
3.3% Gary Johnson
1.1% Jill Stein
1.3% other
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