Halloween at Yale in 2015 has led to student protests about racism at the university.
On October 27th, an email was sent to all students urging them not to wear blackface for Halloween or anything else insensitive.
On October 30th, the day before Halloween, Erika Christakis, whose husband Nicholas is house master of Silliman College at Yale, emailed Sillimanders, telling them they could be anything for Halloween:
“Nicholas says, if you don’t like a costume someone is wearing, look away, or tell them you are offended. Talk to each other. Free speech and the ability to tolerate offence are the hallmarks of a free and open society.”
Not taking into account that Blacks at Yale are hugely outnumbered, that when they do try to talk to Whites who wear offensive costumes, they are mocked, sometimes threatened with violence.
Christakis was, in effect, giving a green light to open racism.
Enter Sigma Alpha Epsilon (SAE), they who sang of hanging “niggers” from trees earlier this year. At their Halloween party at Yale they turned away Black and Latina women, saying it was for “white girls only”. They turned away Neema Githere, whose Facebook post about it went viral.
In the days that followed, as student Jencey Paz put it:
“I have had to watch my friends defend their right to this institution. This email [by Christakis] and the subsequent reaction to it have interrupted their lives. I have friends who are not going to class, who are not doing their homework, who are losing sleep, who are skipping meals, and who are having breakdowns. I feel drained. And through it all, Christakis has shown that he does not consider us a priority.”
And through it all, Jonathan Holloway, Yale’s first ever Black dean, said nothing.
Nothing.
As one student put it:
“For that person to be the most silent is the saddest thing in the
world.”
On November 5th, hundreds of students gathered in the Silliman courtyard, and used chalk to express themselves.

Dean Holloway at Silliman Courtyard, promising to help.
Then Dean Holloway showed up. Students told him what they were going through, sometimes breaking down in tears, telling him how disappointed they were in him. It was painful and sad. He said little, but he listened.

House master Nicholas Christakis at Silliman Courtyard, being informed of his duties.
Then came Nicholas Christakis himself. Every time they tried to tell him about the pain he had caused, he tried to turn it into a debate about free speech.
At last one student let him have it:
Student: “[In] your position as headmaster, it is your job to create a place of comfort and home for the students who live in Silliman.”
Christakis: “No, I don’t agree with that -”
Student: (shouting) “Then why the fuck did you accept the position? Who the fuck hired you? You should step down! If that is what you think of being headmaster, you should step down! It is not about creating an intellectual space! It is not!”
On November 9th, about a thousand students protested racism at Yale, chanting:
“We are unstoppable. Another Yale is possible.”

March of Resilience, Yale, November 9th 2015.
– Abagond, 2015.
See also:
- Mizzou campus protests
- #BlackOnCampus
- Halloween
- The N-word
- the asymmetry of racism
- White empathy
- Playing devil’s advocate – turning discussions about racism into a “debate”.
- My philosophy on trolls
- racism and free speech at universities:
- How Yale benefited from Black slavery
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For white people racism is a debate. How long do we have to have this debate? Racism is up for discussion. But while we have this debate, open discussion, dialogue, etc no cease fire has been called. Black people are still being denied justice, denied life, denied property, denied, denied, denied. Their version of a debate seems indistinguishable from racism.
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LOM,
“That’s not what I call intellectual debate”
Lol. White ppl are a trip!
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From this day forward I will not debate racism with white people. No more! This is my own protest. I will not be complicit in the war on my people.
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Racism isn’t free speech.
“Free speech and the ability to tolerate offence are the hallmarks of a free and open society.”
That’s a true statement in itself. But it is being used as a deflection to not take action against racism and in this case actually promoted racism. Schools are obligated to protect students from racism and provide a safe space.
Its one thing to have a war criminal like Netanyahu speak or somebody from a white pride group give a talk at a campus. People can demonstrate or respond. That’s free speech.
It’s quite another thing to allow black face and to exclude non whites from college sponsored events. That’s allowing racism within a school setting which interferes and distracts students from study.
Free speech can be hate speech but within a school setting its must contained in a forum where dissenting opinions are allowed. Anything else promotes racism.
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BWAAA-HAHAHAHA!!!! How diabolically clever these white women are! Look at when Obama won the nomination, how quickly they showed up and bawled about how back men received the right to vote before women (black women do not exist i these creatures eyes.) What makes these white women diabolic is that they accept the rights that blacks and other minorities fought for back in the ’60s are now benefitting white women the most in the form of school programs , scholarships and affirmitave action. See here:
http://ideas.time.com/2013/06/17/affirmative-action-has-helped-white-women-more-than-anyone/
http://madamenoire.com/282653/studies-show-affirmative-action-helps-white-women-more-than-others/
http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2009/08/who_wins_out_when_it_comes_to_affirmative_action.html
Feminists in the ’70s had , as their rejoinder, “First the blacks, then the women!” Looking back it seems that should be “Screw the blacks, only the white women!”
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I quite frankly don’t have time for black people who complain about “white privilege” while attending an Ivy League. You wanted to go to a white elitist institution now deal with it. Maybe you should’ve went to an HBCU, or better yet, a state college like the rest of us.
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LOM shut your hypocritical mouth you two faced chameleon. Have you ever wondered why no debate is allowed when an idiot wears the Nazi uniform?
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@ michaeljohnbarker
“Schools are obligated to protect students from racism and provide a safe space.”
The problem is that that is such a vague statement. Does the university (and the authorities) have the obligation to protect people from insults and threats? Of course, free speech nowhere pretects these. The problem arises when the “safe space” is expanded to protect people from general statements that are or just might be racist. I have seen professors being shouted down for not adhereing to the latest (in that case feminist) nomenclature.
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“the ability to tolerate offence” is what now?
Do oppressors “tolerate” offence, or do they squash the offenders?
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Reblogged this on League of Bloggers For a Better World.
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But this isn’t something that’s debatable? There is one, and only one reason for someone to wear blackface. It’s not an issue to be debated or something where the opposing sides can bring their different views… Both sides know what the view is and why blackface is used.
I mean, free speech, ok… So it means people are given a permission by their college to be racist as fuck for Halloween. Is that the debate?
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@ Lord of Mirkwood
What is your definition of intellectual debate?
We’re done with that. We’ve talked this thing to death, talked it enough to raise it from the dead and then talked it to death again. And time after time, whites refuse to listen.
Nah. The time for talking is over. The Mizzou football team showed us what organized action can do.
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Why do white people think it’s alright to be offensive and when told they are offensive go on the defense and want to defend their foul behavior?
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Racist activities such as blackface should never be up for debate. This is one example of white privilege.
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@lotr you’re ‘white.’
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I was a gdi in college, i only had one friend in a fraternity, so i’m not really up on the charter of x fraternity under the aegis of y school? But it’s not a free speech issue, it’s clearly blatant discrimination. And i do think blackface costumes are right up there with an SS uniform.
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Christakis or whatever his name is, seems to be an arrogant, privileged person who whitesplains things that never affect him. He seems to think that we should still be debating about minstrel shows and the morality or immorality of slavery. Is he a liberal? Anybody?
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@v8
He is in every sense of the word.
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People wearing black face are not interested in a debate; they do not wear black face because of free speech. They are a bunch of racists who want to have their cake and eat it too. You cannot step on my foot and expect me to smile at you; I am not a slave- I have my dignity and if you take it away from me I will take it back by force if I have too. Why can’t they dress up as snakes. I mean a racist and a snake have the same poison.
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Yale may be an institution of higher learning but it goes to show you some people are dumb as a bunch rocks. Seriously, how could they not see this was not a good idea? SMH
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@v8driver
@ Lord of Mirkwood
Bless his heart. He actually believes that’s something we get to decide for ourselves.
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yes, he and white jesus.
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@ villagewriter
Yes, White Jesus would deflect a conversation about the pain caused by Yale’s racist insensitivity into a debate about free speech. When you’re White, it’s what you do.
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@Abagond
Yeah, a calm and civil white Jesus. Christakis would never approach a group of Jewish students demonstrating about a holocaust denier wearing an SS uniform. He is a coward; a coward afraid of offending the racist Yale elite.
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The major media opinion is that “free speeech” is done on American campuses.
That the protesters are “thin-skinned” and “delicate little flowers”. That the protesters are cultural Marxists and that BLM has chosen “soft targets”. That the protesters are the intolerant ones. What a bunch of BS.
How does allowing black face have anything to do with free speech ? How is it “free expression” ? Free expression is not about deliberately insulting and mocking an entire group of people.
The solution for a safe place is simple. Enforce the laws thay forbids racist acts on campus. Don’t use “free speech” as a mask for racism.
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I wonder what Christakis wife would say if I scream at her every morning äs she walks to work “Woman stay at home; the place for women is the kitchen.” Will she calmly come and debate with me? What will Christakis aka the Christ do?
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Ya Mirkwood isn’t white like those other “Anglo protastants” . Wtf
Maybe Mirkwood could show us what a Anglo protastant white face looks like.
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@ villagewriter
OMG: “Christ” is in “Christakis”. That proves it!
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@ michaeljonbarker
Right, Blacks are the racist ones, they are “oversensitive”.
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@ Lord of Mirkwood
Christakis was not being Christ-like. He was being a dick. There is a time for intellectual debate and there is a time to shut up and listen and understand. He does not seem to know the difference.
Even on this blog, Whites often turn a conversation about racism into a “debate”, a debate where they avoid understanding racism through deflection, tone arguments, protective stupidity and so on. To themselves they seem “reasonable” and “open-minded”, but in fact it turns out to be an exercise in close-mindedness.
That “debate” stance allows Whites to distance themselves from their own privilege and seem “neutral” and “reasonable” – while defending their self-interested privilege the whole time.
It allows them to paint those who do not want to take part in their bogus debates as enemies of open discussion.
More:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/06/20/playing-devils-advocate/
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I’ve seen several people liken wearing blackface to wearing a Nazi uniform. I think this is an apt comparison. The only problem is that people are allowed to wear a Nazi uniform. There’s no law against it. The school can discuss it with that student and say, “that was in terrible taste” but cannot really do anything. The real control on this is social pressure. I think the tactic of the students against racially insensitive costumes is wrong in trying to make the school police it. Take pictures of the person and post it online. They’ll never get a job and it will follow them forever.
In America free speech must always take preference over individual feelings. It doesn’t matter how tasteless, offensive, or ignorant the free speech is. The greatest thing about this is that the offended have every right to use their free speech in response.
@Abagond – I think it is a weak point to suggest that the students are mocked and sometimes threatened with violence. Unless you have something to back up that a student was physically attacked after confronting someone about wearing a racially insensitive costume then you really aren’t saying anything at all.
In a forum of free ideas the best ideas should/will win. I can’t believe that sporting incredibly offensive costumes, like blackface, can win out in a free society.
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@ Joe
The US is hardly a “forum of free ideas”. Whites hold the megaphone. Thus, blackface was “wholesome” family entertainment, from the time of Thomas Jefferson to Fred Astaire and Judy Garland.
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@ Joe
There is no “forum of free ideas” when one side threatens physical violence, whether they make good on those threats or not.
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The comparison by Lord of Mirkwood to Germany is apt, but fails to go far enough. After WWII, German made it illegal to display swastikas and other forms of Nazi symbolism, among other things. Germans value speech as much as anybody. However, there are some utterances that are so fundamentally cancerous to a culture that they should not be uttered, even in the name of “free speech”.
In my experience white Americans underestimate the depth and profundity of racism in this nation, by a huge degree. For this reason, they cannot grock the importance of stopping people from using racist images and displays for fun and recreation in places where black people are also trying to live, work, and study.
Blackface at campus Halloween really is akin to going into a Synagogue in an SS costume and passing out yellow stars to the congregants (with a posse of police outside ready to beat up the congregants if they respond too angrily).
Free speech means standing on a street corner on a soap box and pontificating that some ethnic or demographic group is evil/dirty/bad. It is not entering into an institution that people are paying and competing to attend, where they are trying to focus and study and advance themselves, and expect to be permitted to socialize and party with the very people one is denigrating.
Christakis is gaslighting, plain and simple.
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re: Abagond’s
The #cancel colbert post is another example of this. There may be others already on this blog.
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@ Abagond – You’re right. Free ideas can’t be exchanged in a place where violence is threatened against people for speaking their minds.
While I think it’s silly to ask you to cite examples of every sentence you write, I have not seen anything to indicate that anyone was threatened with violence for pointing out a racially insensitive costume. In contrast, I have seen numerous examples of students voicing their opposition to such costumes without facing the threat of violence. If anything, the students at least feel safe enough to speak up.
I think they need to speak their minds, speak loud, and march. But I disagree with the endgame, which is to have the University act as arbiter. I maintain that embarrassing the offenders is the best course for everyone. Imagine a march with signs showing photos of white students in blackface.
Let’s say the students get what they want and the school reprimands anyone who wears blackface on Halloween. Does that reduce the total amount of racism at the school? I think it just makes the racist attitudes hide and become more subversive. I think it breeds resentment that will carry on, just in other ways. You should drag the bad behavior out into the sunlight and have everyone see it for what it is.
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@Joe
Can we all stop pretending that there has been restitution for the evils of the past or that there is no real danger that can emerge from hate speech. This is not an argument between two peoples who have undergone oppression on how to deal with oppression or the memory of oppression, Instead, it is a “debate” between people who suffer oppression and another group that has not experienced it and know nothing about it. Nobody wants to deal with the past (cowards) but want the people experiencing the consequences of the past to just get over it and move on. Arrogance is not going to solve the problem when pain still exists. Let all cowards come out of their greenhouses of privilege and confront the past then everyone can heal. If that does not happen we will continue protesting.
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A racist will always be resentful. Racism is a religion of self-worship and nothing more. Try prying away the beliefs of a religious zealot and see him slaughter you in broad daylight. It is an idea that has been found wanting-it basically stinks of nonsense. So, whether you involve debate or not, the racist will not change. African Americans were not sent on Earth to babysit racists and calmly and gently guide them away from their sins-whoever thinks that, is a fool. If Mrs, Christakis can walk to work without being called names everyday, then all students have the right to feel safe and learn in a peaceful environment.
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If you want to debate, call all students to a hall and debate. Let the other students vote for the winner. Please do not hide behind free speech.
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Wealthy Jews were not protected by ”free speech” in Hitler’s Germany. Oh, and did I just see a picture of white Jesus bleeding on the cross. Please add blonde blue eyed angels to complete the picture. I love this.
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They want you to respectfully disagree with them as they calmly spit on your face.
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@Lord of Mirkwood
Her wealth is not the same as the wealth of her parents who likely worked their behinds off for it. With that being said what does her wealth have to do with calling it like it is? Nothing. She was not wrong to yell at him, as she could have just as easily laid him out. The yelling came after having him dismiss and dismiss instead of listen. Dismissing and excusing is why racism is still a problem today. All white people want to do is dismiss and excuse until said poc gets fed up and deals with it.
His job is to listen to student concerns and deal with any that could result in issues on campus. How is engaging in racism good for anyone on Campus?
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@Villagewriter
They dismiss racism, but let you call them racist or white these days and they will go bat sh*t.
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Its the same way they look at Africa. They messed up the continent; influenced coups, organized assassinations, did experiments then opened up our markets to capitalist beasts. Then you see them seated in press conferences saying that Africa’s case is “special” that there are no clear ”solutions” and other bullshit. Now Greece cannot last even two years under the same conditions our countries were made to endure for decades. Look at Portugal changing governments every two weeks. Pathetic.
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Mirkwood
Dressing up in black face and going to a Holloween party isn’t about “fostering debate”. It about excersing white racist pivilage.
You the class reductionist, immediately dismiss the views up middle/upper class blacks as unworthy of consideration.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8506570
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I laugh every time bigots throw around the phrase Political Correctness. How long will they last when the gloves are off on both sides? Not very long. In fact, once their ideas have been shot down to the ground, they will probably go to their hate shrines, pick their guns and shoot people. Pathetic.
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How is freedom of speech a legitimate argument at a private institution? They ban and censor speech all the time, including Yale. Yale banned Muhammed images; banned certain student websites. They even banned the word “sissies” on t-shirts.
Now they cry “free speech” when it comes to anti-black behavior?
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I think both “sides” use PC to deflect away from their true intentions.
Liberals to soften their language so as to appear not racist/bigoted and convervatives to derail others who point out their racsim.
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@ mjb – That article pretty much sums it up.
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@ Lord of Mirkwood
What a twittastic ad hominem.
Right, so she should STFU? Is that how far your freedom of speech extends?
My parents had no money, so when I protested against my university I was told, in so many words, that I was being an ingrate. Yet once I had some money, I was told the same thing again when I would complain about racism. See how that works?
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This “freedom of speech” argument reminds me eerily of “all lives matter”: deflections that in effect mean the opposite of the stated words.
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@ Lord of Mirkwood
My real life.
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@ Lord of Mirkwood
Twittastic = a twit to a fantastic degree.
Using her family’s wealth against her is an ad hominem in this case, a logical fallacy.
She is not crying poverty. She is complaining about how Yale is unwelcoming and unsafe for students of colour and how Christakis, as a house master, is making it so.
She is hardly a nutcase. Though I understand that you, as an Irish American, have probably been trained not to take what Black people say seriously, especially if they raise their voice or disagree with a White authority figure.
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I laugh every time bigots throw around the phrase Political Correctness.
‘Political Correctness’ is a term whites throw around whenever you challenge their right to be overtly racist. They will use it to try and shut you down.
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Abagond,
I just watched the video where the young lady went off on Nicholas Christakis for being a callous twat.
I love young people.. everything is major and amplified by 10x: love, pain, betrayal, breaking up… finding out that the Adults in your life are really immature a’sholes who just got older, but not wiser
It’s sad watching these young people reconcile the fact that this Adult, who is supposed to “lead” them, doesn’t care about their feelings and marginalizes their experiences and expectations.
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@Linda
Now LOM and his coven members are trying to deflect attention on what is going on by pointing out her wealth. Pathetic bigots.
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@ Lord of Mirkwood
Nice touch: “subjectively determined”. I guess they are just imagining stuff, being, you know, “oversensitive”. Meanwhile, when you wrote about the whole thing on your blog, you never once questioned Christakis’s deflection of making it into a “debate” about “free speech”, a framing that puts Christakis in the right and the complaints of the pain he has caused as the enemy of “reasoned conversation”, if not the Constitution itself. Christakis does not want to face up to the wrong he has done and you are buying it, even comparing him to Christ.
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Did Erika Christakis’s email condone or approve of student wearing offensive costumes? After reading her entire email and taking everything in context, I don’t believe so. I believe she was asking the students to behave like adults they are and to handle their problems like the adults they are.
The biggest crime she and her husband made was to say that they were not going to police what the students were wearing. Which can be near impossible at the extremes. Look at any costume out there and the vast majority of them will be offensive to somebody.
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@Brian
I would love to visit the world full of adults that you live in. The flowers there must smell great!
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@Brian
The majority of it was her switching between wanting to address it and not wanting to. Masking her feelings of wear what you want, by asking people to ponder on social experiments and questions. A costume is one thing, but the issue of blackface is another. You can dress like a gangster or a rapper without blackface. She tried to use all types of other examples to make light of the real problem.
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what if the offending party knew the costume offended you. Privilege speaks again! You are assuming here that the other party wearing the offensive costume is interested in learning about your Irish history. You are also assuming that that party cares about your feelings.You also think that the Irish experience is the same as the African American experience. This is why parents should not raise their kids in greenhouses but let them run into the yard and learn how cruel humanity can be.
African Americans do not wield as much power as the white majority in Yale. A debate between an AA and WA is not based on a flat plain where each hold the same power. You assuming that shows just how ignorant you are about the whole issue.
Furthermore, the issue was not just about Halloween costumes there were other concerns about discrimination. Some students had allegedly been turned away from a party because they were black. Do you think they should have debated with the racists in that party?
LOM is the guy who wanted AAs to join him in the fight against corporations. Now he shows his true colors.
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@Lord of Mirkwood
“Destroy them, and we will have a flourishing and vibrant democracy.”—Which actually should read:
Destroy them, and we will have same old same old accept with more false racial concerns.
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@ villagewriter
“LOM is the guy who wanted AAs to join him in the fight against corporations. Now he shows his true colors.”
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From the start, Lord of Ghosts has shown his true glaringly dark (it’s about ME/and the Irish/democrats) colors! Despite Abagond’s and others non-stop efforts to help him see the truth he has stubbornly persisted in his delusions.
Taotesan led a long procession of commenters that nailed him numerous times in their accurate assessment of *his true colors.* His privileged behavior (POV) is no surprise!
If there was ever a hopeless commenter on this site, imo it’s him.
Unless he shows signs of life, I won’t be taking him or his words seriously.
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I have decided to ignore LOM in this thread because he thinks issues concerning the lives of African Americans is a joke. The oppressed should never respect people who do not respect them, never talk to them calmly, make them uncomfortable, scream for your rights, and do not join LOM (he is a coward he will run away when things get too real).
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@ Lord of Mirkwood
Because it is not the same thing. Only someone sunk in a White privilege mindset would think it was.
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The thing that most angers me about white people is that even the mere suggestion that they refrain from participating in racist speech or behaviors ends up with white people becoming angry and defending their right to be offensive because constitution.
All of this started because someone, a white person no less, made the suggestion – not an order just a suggestion – that going out in blackface is hurtful.
And the immediate response is, who cares about the feelings or well being of few niggers as long as whites get to have their fun. Because the amusement and entertainment of a few white people is more important than the feelings of needs of all black people.
And then they will turn around and tell you it’s not racist to think this way. Black people are wrong and really the racist ones for misconstruing a good time as racist. Because to whites, their intentions matter more than the harm they cause.
No patience for this racist bullshit.
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Someone like Lord of Mirkwood is quick to see how banning certain speech leads to wider censorship and violence but is clueless as to how allowing the dehumanization of others leads to oppression and the same violence.
Lord of Mirkwood is unwilling to accept censorship of his speech because freedom but its OK as long as his liberty comes at the price of my slavery.
Fuck that.
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@ Lord of Mirkwood
Cromwell costumes were not used for 200 years to put down the Irish for the entertainment of the majority. Irish Americans are no longer a persecuted minority. You do not live in a country soaked in anti-Irish prejudice. US news does not feature Irish poverty, Irish crime and Irish dysfunction. Even IRA terrorists are not demonized. You do not go to a university where you feel unsafe and unwelcomed. Your position is not the same as Jerelyn Luther’s. In some countries, “money whitens”. The US is not one of them. That is why all your talk of class does not strike a chord on this blog.
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@ Lord of Mirkwood
Google hits on cnn.com:
82 “Black poverty”
1 “Irish poverty”
1060 “Black crime”
6 “Irish crime”
125 “Black thugs”
2 “Irish thugs”
1776 “Muslim terrorists”
46 “Irish terrorists”
1610 “fear of Muslims”
421 “fear of Black men”
0 “fear of Irish men”
1570 “blackface”
0 “Cromwell costumes”
Note that there are just about as many Irish Americans as Black Americans.
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@LOM,
Is that a race card I hear being drawn? Yep, it is. You might want to stop while you’re ahead unless you think you have a trump card that is the equivalent of being hated simply because of your skin color. And we all know you don’t.
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@ Lord of Mirkwood
On “The Irish had it hard too” thread, I already told you why those links do not apply: you do not live in Northern Ireland. The US and UK are separate countries, thousands of miles apart. By that same logic, I could argue there is no anti-Black racism in the US because there is none in Ghana.
As to the rest of your comment, you are lurching into self-parody. I am going to stop here.
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@Lord of Mirkwood
“Don’t say I’m going off topic, since you led me down this road”
You went off topic (and you know it) when you made this about yourself as you always do. See the comment where you took things off topic to refresh your recollection: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/halloween-at-yale/#comment-299595
The fact that Abagond let’s you get away with it shows his admirable level of patience and tolerance for your “trollish” behavior.
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@ThatDeborahGirl
That is why I find it funny he argues free speech, but will ban you on his blog for merely pointing out anything he disagrees with and deleting your post. Told him he was lying and why on one of his posts and he deleted my post.
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Oh my goodness. I mean just going through the dishonest commentaries on freedom of speech online is exhausting. I am exhausted yet I am miles away from those toxic privileged people. I wonder how exhausted I would be if I was there. Looking at the articles I have read so far you would think Americans would allow al qaeda preachers to preach hate in their soil and Nazis to hold parades in the universities, and anti-feminists to call women derogatory words on campus. Hypocrisy is so strong in the white intelligentsia. As long as there is pain there will be protest. They can write all the stupid articles they want but as long as there is pain there will be boycotts.
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@LOM
Your two links don’t dispute what abagond said. A always you are using issue in Ireland to avoid addressing the fact that the Irish are not being discriminated against here.
“Plenty of people have insinuated, either jokingly or not, that I’m somehow connected with the IRA.”—By plenty you mean 1 person?
“To build on what I just said, Christakis’s spirit of conciliation and gentleness embodies the teachings of Jesus about loving enemies, blessing those who curse you, and praying for those who persecute you.”—Except Jesus always listened to the problems of the people and never cut them off mid-sentence. Soooo…Nope he does not seem to embody any teachings other than those of white supremacy.
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@LOM
“I’ve got news for you…there was a big war back in the 1860s, in which an ancestor of mine died in order to end “your” slavery!”—-I am sure she and other had ancestor who died doing the same, died living slavery, and died trying to escape it. So what? Want a medal for dying trying to end something that a great deal of Irish participated in keeping in place?
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Umm.. Civil Rights boycotts have a terrible track record here in the U.S.. From the Montgomery Bus Boycott (1955) to the Mizzou Football Boycott (2015) is sixty years between notable successes.
@ LoM – Is there one (1) post here at Ab’s site that does NOT have you mentioning the Irish?
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@Uglyblackjohn
Oh hello. what are you on about now?
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Idk who would go as margeret thatcher for halloween, that’s kind of silly, and…. sort of intraracial/ethnic i guess that’s too convoluted to mean much to most americans in general, lotr is not white, but irish, but not irish aiii yiii yiii i’m glad i don’t torture myself with that level of circuitious logic…and…
I know abagond has plugged lotr’s blog a couple times at least, and…
I mean let’s face it, this is a black blog and lotr’s unsettling comment regarding his disinterest in black history?
Wow, idk, man!
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Fungible ethnography in order to literally ‘lord it over everyone’ best i can reckon
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Hey lotr you’re white and not irish but american
Personally, i’ve been struggling with boundaries of where my duty lies to i guess remind certain white people certain things are not cool at all to say, in the street like?
Idk im waitin for the damn bus
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I dont think it really came to light in his viewpoint regarding the diaspora in particular
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@ v8driver
LMAO!
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This article gives me hope for humanity http://www.wearepowershift.org/blogs/%E2%80%9Cfree-speech%E2%80%9D-critiques-missouri-and-yale-activists-are-hypocritical-and-racist
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@ villagewriter – You stated something about boycotts. Since the sixties they haven’t had any notable impact on anything until the ‘racist, football worshiping culture’ jumped into the fight at Mizzou. Are you saying that Blacks should only go to HBCU’s or boycott Yale? I’m not sure what your plan is as far as a boycott? People have been calling for boycotts for decades but there really hasn’t been much success lately.
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@uglyblackjohn
Did you really read my comment and understand it because now it seems you are putting words in my mouth.
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” People have been calling for boycotts for decades but there really hasn’t been much success lately.”
@UBJ
True.
Boycotts haven’t worked in all these years NOT because boycotts are ineffective, or because there’s something wrong with boycotts.
Boycotts require that a SIGNIFICANT NUMBER of people are WILLING to:
1. ORGANIZE – plan, coordinate, COOPERATE, UNITE, be dedicated, etc
2. SACRIFICE – schedule, commit, willing to act or do … and so on.
If and when WE wish to achieve an objective, it can get done if there’s a critical mass of participants willing to make the needed sacrifices to achieve whatever the goal is.
Boycotts haven’t worked in recent years because there hasn’t been enough willing participants to make it effective. Boycotts can only work when enough people get on board. The sixties had LEGIONS of WILLING people.
Integration with white people seems to have damped ability to unify for our own collective good! It seems as if too many of us have become drunk on the “illusion of Amerika” that began around when the old style of Jim Crow ended.
We may be finally coming out of our stupor and hangover now.
Let’s hope and pray that Black folks are indeed waking up.
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@Fan
You made some good points about boycotts. I think all of this free-flowing anti-Blackness will have a positive side effect of creating (as you so aptly wrote) ” LEGIONS of WILLING people” willing to do the work to make boycotts work.
I agree that the “illusion of inclusion” drug has worn off and Black folk are seeing the world as it really exists…very ugly and very sobering.
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Yay im getting a lecture on our ancestors getting punished when we die and me of course
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I think jesus was socially necessary to someone to make a duality and provide relief to albeit promulgated guilt sorry off topic but all this battle of tiras minath
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I was speakin on how great it is to not need anything
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Yeah right
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You can take the cow to the river but you can’t force it to drink ( An African proverb). When you see your neighbor getting shaved apply lather on your head (An African proverb).
First Proverb relevance
You can debate with white people about racism all you want but they will only understand if they want to and if they care.
Second proverb relevance
Let white and some black people shout about free speech all they want. One day that declaration of free speech will come back and stab them on the back.
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@ Pumpkin
Right, that his title is “master” is one of the ironies of this whole thing.
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@ son2380
Comment deleted for moderated language.
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Which part was moderated?
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What is interesting about this is that people love to brag about the liberalness of these places, but turn a blind eye to this. If something like this happened down south (and it did at Alabama, Duke, UT Austin, etc.) you’d hear about it all day, and rightfully so. But this? This is the first I’ve heard of this.
Wake up! Liberal or conservative does not stop one from being ignorant.
These PWIs are, obviously, some of the worst with it. You are outnumbered and made to feel inadequate. At state schools sometimes it is harder to combat due to the size and diversity.
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@Lord of Mirkwood
Maybe it is just me, but isn’t this a case of “cultural appropriation”? A lot of Americans without any Irish ancestry are adopting and using of elements of a traditional Irish celebration. They even try to tell everyone how it should be celebrated, even if they never drank a drop of Guinness in their whole life!
Aren’t you infuriated by everyone abusing your cultural heritage?
(and in advance my apologies to the Guinness-drinking Irish-stereotype)
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