A guest post by Jefe:
“Fresh Off the Boat” (2015– ) is a US television sitcom that features an Asian American main cast, the first since “All American Girl” (1994) starring Margaret Cho. It is pretty much “The Wonder Years” with Asian faces. Critics have largely praised the show.
It is inspired by a book, “Fresh Off the Boat: A Memoir” (2013) by Eddie Huang, a Taiwanese American lawyer and restauranteur.
Premise: Eddie Huang’s family moves from Washington, DC’s Chinatown to suburban Orlando, Florida in the mid 1990s to run a steakhouse. The family struggles with assimilation in their new environment while Eddie finds solace in hip hop.
Eddie Huang sold the television rights for his book to Hollywood and provides the voice-over narration, but hates the show:
“The network tried to turn my memoir into a cornstarch sitcom and me into a mascot for America. I hated that.”
“Then what did you buy my book for? Just make A Chink’s Life … With Free Wonton Soup or Soda: A reverse-yellowface show with universal white stories played out by Chinamen.”
He sees executive producer Melvin Mar, who is Chinese American, as a “Booker T. Washington –Professor X–Uncle Chan” who forgets that “successful people of color are in many ways ‘chosen’ and ‘allowed’ to exist while the others get left behind.”
The show is indeed sanitized:
- The virtual lack of any racism. Asians are held back by a lack of Anglo-American assimilation, not racism – in the very suburbs where Trayvon Martin was killed. The only times any racism was hinted at was when the only black character used “chink” and tourists assumed that Eddie could not understand English. There is no hint of any ching chong, Asian bullying, bamboo ceiling, or negative impact of Asian stereotypes central to Asian American experience in white suburbs.
- The removal of any violence central to Eddie Huang’s personal life. Eddie Huang found solace in hip hop to help him navigate around his Chinese heritage amidst the violence he experienced growing up. None of that is found in the TV show.
- Unrealistic depiction of Washington, DC and Orlando. Orlando’s neighborhoods were not hyperwhite in the 1990s. Washington DC’s Chinatown was nothing like what is shown. Eddie and his brothers would have attended hyperblack elementary schools in Washington, DC – at the height of the crack epidemic.
- Characters are reduced to stereotyped caricatures. Eddie Huang points out that, in order for American audiences to have a frame of reference, the characters must conform to stereotypes and the jokes are ones that whites make about Asians. Hence the neutered father, the exotic Tiger Mom mother and the urbanized son into hip hop. In the fourth episode, Eddie’s father and uncle make fun of each other’s names, the way that white people do to Asians.
The last point makes “Fresh Off the Boat” come across as a yellowface minstrel show, with Asians doing yellowface, together with hip hop, another white minstrel theme. Fifty-sixty years ago, whites would have done the yellowface, as in Mickey Rooney’s portrayal of Mr. Yunioshi in “Breakfast at Tiffany’s” (1961).
The show has just been renewed for a second season.
See also:
- External links:
- Vulture.com: Bamboo-Ceiling TV – Eddie Huang’s article in New York magazine.
- Deadline.com: “Fresh Off The Boat” Creator Eddie Huang Continues to Trash His ABC Comedy
- Salon.com: Eddie Huang blasts “Fresh off the boat”: “An artificial representation of Asian American lives”
- baohausnyc.com – his restaurant’s website
- Tips on visiting Disney World – the original Cattleman’s Ranch Steakhouse was on International Drive near Disney World
- minstrel show
- yellowface
- hip hop music
- growing up Asian American
- How to tell if a character is a stereotype
- The blackness of American television – also helps to explain the situation of the Asians and US television.
- Trayvon Martin – Trayvon Martin was shot and killed in suburban Orlando.
- The White Default
- White Entertainment Television
- Three ways Americans write about Asian
- Taiwanese Americans
- Anglo-Protestant culture
- Empire – TV show that relies on black stereotypes to entertain white audiences.
- yellowface
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I watched this scene and it really stuck in my craw that a black character uttered a racial slur on tv INSTEAD of a white character. There would be an uproar if a white character said the c-word. How convenient. 🙄
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I haven’t seen this yet… but it figures (sigh) The more things change…
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I can’t get into it the first episode made me uneasy. I figure if i was feeling some kind of way about this show i could imagine what Asian Americans thought of this.
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I stopped watching after a couple of episodes. I think around four.
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@leigh204; it was that very episode that made me feel uneasy i didn’t like it using the black kid to utter a slur. SMH.
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@ Mary Burrell:
I’m with you on this. I said this once before on another post. I experienced all kinds of asian racial slurs hurled at me by none other than white people. I know other POC are capable of using slurs, but it didn’t seem as plausible that a POC would say that to another POC. I’m definitely not saying it doesn’t happen, but I hope you understand what I’m getting at.
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This is why I rather indie films or even small internet channels. Mainstream anything must be safe for white consumption at the cost of every-thing-else. And you’re not a “success” unless you’re mainstream! Like a diseased snake eating it’s tail.
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@ Gen- Back in the day. before the term mainstream was even coined, black people had their own sports teams, their own music and their own movies. But for some reason, that wasn’t good enough. Our performers and athletes felt under appreciated and sought acceptance in the white world. That’s how I look at becoming “mainstream”…….. seeking approval from a people that hate your guts. Insane.
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I too hated how they put the first and only racial slur into the mouth of the only Black character – when it is Whites who so LOOOOVE to use racial slurs and who, at a school like that, would have the cowardly courage of numbers.
I also hated the whole thing where the White kids saw his Chinese lunch as ew – while their food was never challenged that way. White is right. Even worse, Eddie and his mother caved in and bought Lunchables, beginning the show’s remorseless assimilationism. The mother’s lack of assimilation becomes the butt of much of FOB’s humour. We are meant to be laughing AT her – FOB in the ugly sense of that word.
Comedy is supposed to be this way you can criticize racism in a way that Whites will hear you. But this show, from what I have seen of it, is not doing that.
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I’ll do my own rant. Chinese family being played by mostly an all Korean Cast.. Tsk Tsk Tsk….. LOL
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Isn’t this the same show that had his mom comment about him being lactose intolerant as being “his body rejecting white culture” and being proud of it?
And do you really think black people bullying asians isn’t a problem?
Funny thing about life is; people who are oppressed or taken advantage of can easily do the same to others when given the chance.
My guess the reason they changed things from a majority black population to white is because you can get away with more that way.
Isn’t being held back due to a lack of assimilation a kind of racism or at least xenophobia or whatever?
Doesn’t that pretty mean they are being discriminated against because they are asian?
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@ V-4
Of the racially-motivated hate crimes that took place in the US in 2009 among Asians, Whites and Blacks, in 82% of the cases where the race of the perpetrator was known, that person turned out to be White. Sure, it is not peaches and cream between Blacks and Asians, but Whites are by far the bigger issue for both.
I liked the lactose line, but it was only good one that I can remember from the first episode.
Not sure what your point is about assimilation. Even if you count it as racism, the show hardly presents it as such.
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Apart perhaps from the lost DC tourists assuming Eddie didn’t speak English well, I noticed that there was not a single instance of white racism towards Asians, or towards anyone for that matter.
The only racism depicted in the show involved blacks towards Asians (1 instance) or mock racism between Asians (many instances). Whites are never racist (I guess they are past that — that ended in the 1970s?), not even towards blacks.
(For example, a good scene from the show could be where the Huang family witnesses white racism towards blacks and see what they do about that. But no, this show won’t go near that with a 10 ft. pole).
For me, the thing about the assimilation bit is how failure to follow the white default norm is portrayed as being comical, something to laugh at. The show selects instances which fit white caricatures of failing to assimilate, put them on the screen and laughing at it. So, the racism depicted in the show is not so much about being held back due to lack of assimilation, but by presenting the white default norm and making jokes about how Asian American behaviour is somehow perceived to be different.
That is a poor premise on which to base a show. Could they make a show about laughing at how a Latino family, a European immigrant family or an African immigrant family do behaviour different from the white Anglo norm? To a white audience, that only works well with Asian characters.
Anyhow, to most Asian Americans, the Huangs look very assimilated already. The Dad especially is practically a white man with an Asian face.
The white racism subtext in the show would be obvious to non-whites, but invisible to any white person watching.
–> minstrelsy
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@Abagond
Depends on how you look at it; I mean can we ever really discount race as being part of the motive when individuals from different races victimize one another?
Its like that white guy who killed that arabic/muslim couple.
Yeah he was a ticking time bomb waiting to explode and they were close by/neighbors to him w/negative past interactions, so that doesn’t help with the odds.
But fact is; he still may have been more willing to go psychotic on them than white people, even if he was unaware of it.
That and how often does your basic bullying get reported to the law anyways?
And yeah; the assimilation thing really depends on how they present it.
Looking at the sanitization list; doesn’t 2 contradict 4 to some extent. The writer of the book did find solace in hip hop/urban culture as a child.
As for white’s not being prone to using racial insults to Asians at their school.
Possible, admit-ably my own experience was a school in the sticks versus a school in the city as is the show.
But while they were pretty racist to PoC passing through; they tended to go easy on it a little if you were actually living there or going to the school.
Though it wouldn’t be amazing if you had to join them in using racist words if you were a different race living there/going to school at those moments.
Scenario was a little better/different if you were a female PoC but there you go.
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.Good and informative post, Jefe! I’ve heard about this show, though I have only seen a couple of promos and the trailer for it. As usual they have the tired azz tropes about Asians spread throughout the story (as the expense of the Asian actor’s dignity), of course. Not surprised that the Black kid was the only one to utter a racist slur on the show, as “they” loooove to do their best to pit “Us” POC against each other any chance they get. For example, I have a friend from South Amer. who is “Black” and just because she is not U.S. born, her white employee commended her on doing a good job-which was credited to her because she was “one of the good ones, not like those no-good American “Blacks” the employer said. It really shocked that dumb broad that my friend did not take that ish as a compliment, and she reminded her gently-but-firmly that she too is Black, and that the chick was insulting people who hail from the same lineage as she, even if they were raised in different cultures..SMH
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“Characters are reduced to stereotyped caricatures.” Welcome to televisionland. Every other show isn’t? Ethnic performance is the basis for virtually all American humor. Maybe all humor everywhere.
My upper division lit paper on “Huckleberry Finn”: “It’s my job, it’s what I do: Male ethnic performance in Huckleberry Finn”.
Even managed to work Eldridge Cleaver’s “omnipotent administrator” theory in there. The instructor, a Marxist by the way, said it wouldn’t work in the paper. But it did work, the way I used the idea to analyze Tom Sawyer and his dangerously ostentatious “omnipotent administrator” performance.
You’re at your best as a cultural critic, Abagond, but you missed a little with this one. Mass audience television is what it is and little will ever change it. Not even Norman Lear really changed it. Television is electronic heroin and it will never be anything else. Without a theory about what television is, the critique you have launched here is little more than cover for another exercise in gratuitous white bashing. Live and learn.
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@ Anonymike
1. I did not write the post. Jefe did. But I do broadly agree with it.
2. The point of a post like this – at least for me (Jefe’s purposes may have been different) – is not to bash Whites or change the face of television but to watch television more intelligently, to not let its racist stereotypes and tropes pass unquestioned and seep into your soul and poison it.
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I agree that the purpose of this post has nothing to do with white bashing. It was not a critique of television. I hope that no reader will interpret it in that way.
There is indeed a need to watch television more intelligently. If anything, this TV show says more about how white audiences perceive themselves and US society. We can also watch this in 2015 and compare it to stuff from the 1970s or 1930s and see how Hollywood stereotypes about Asians have changed over the decades.
By the way, I did draft it, but at Abagond’s urging (that was half the purpose of writing this post :P).
To be honest, most of the critical reviews I have read of this show leave much to be desired. Most of it is very cliched, about how “groundbreaking” it is, when I see it as nothing more than a yellowface minstrel show. Hopefully, I can read the original book and get a better idea of what they did to Eddie Huang’s memoir.
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The memoir was pretty good, if you like Hip Hop there were a lot references to songs in it. There were some interesting moments, would love to here your take on the book. If you ever read it.@jefe. (ie. his female courtships, the force deportation for 1yr to erase felony charge due to his father’s connection back in his homeland etc..).
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Another point that the creator Eddie Huang brought to the table that the depiction of his father was completely inaccurate. Huang described his father as a very strong no nonsense man who would abuse them. But the depiction of Asian men in the mainstream American media is that of a weak, pushover, effeminate, sexless “beta male”. White people love the term “beta” in describing Asian American men.
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Don’t white people like using the word “beta” to describe anyone who isn’t a pushy ahole?
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@ Gen
No, “beta” implies a straightlaced, spineless unconfident loser who is non-athletic, doesn’t work out and generally unpopular with women of all races and asshole overgrown frat bros who ideologically divorced the concepts that love and sex should go hand-in-hand and sleep with numerous women. So-called “alpha” males are assholes who treat women as nothing more than a life support system for a vagina. The terms “alpha” and “beta” are common among young white men in their 20’s, particularly douchebags like pick-up artists and gym rat wannabe body builders. These types of white men are unafraid to express the idea that they wholeheartedly believe Asian men are inherently less attractive as mates, less manly than whites, blacks and Latinos as well as being weak and nerdy. Many popular pick-up artists like Roosh V have compiled male attractiveness by race lists in which Asian men rank dead last. Ironically, Roosh V is a Middle Eastern man who desperately wants to be seen as white and he couldn’t even manage to get laid in several different cities and countries across the world despite claiming to be a “pick-up artist” motivational speaker/writer for a living.
But the desexualization and emasculation of Asian American men is very real. Asian men rank dead last on response rates from women of all races on dating sites. There are no Asian American male sex symbols. Jet Li didn’t even get Aaliyah in Romeo Must Die because American audiences were uncomfortable seeing an Asian man in a sexualized light. Hapa mass murderer Eliott Rodger had internalized such beliefs about Asian American men and hated himself for being half Asian as he saw as the reason why couldn’t get the blonde-haired white women he lusted over. As we can see here, Huang’s dad in the show has been emasculated and made “beta” in order to not disturb the ugly status quo about Asian American men in mainstream white society.
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You can be an alpha without being a PUA (pick up artist).
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@SanFranpsycho415
I should have said, any male who isn’t a pushy ahole but yeah I’m aware of the brush Asian men get daubed with in America (had no clue who Roosh V was until now – honestly those guys seem to be peddling the same tired snake oil I’ve been told to watch out for since I got my first bra). Growing up in the Caribbean gave me some armor against the racial mind games I was confronted with in the U.S and it just doesn’t allow me to subscribe to the whole “Asian men aren’t really men” bit (especially after going to diverse schools, being around military people and now living in Cali), though I do know the effects are indeed real as I’ve witnessed my share of cringe worthy interactions.
And this is why I like this blog, too long have only “powers that be approved messages” reached people and this age of information allows people who would probably just pass each other in the street to actually compare notes.
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I never even heard of these “alpha” and “beta” terms until I started reading douchey adolescent minded writings of young white men who place all of their value on how many women they can bed. I hate to sound politically incorrect, but I’m glad I was raised in the hood where the gun is the great equalizer. Like Too $hort said “he was 6’4″, they used to call him sir, but he was straight gunned down by a teenage gangster no bigger than me.” The whole “alpha male vs. beta male” shtick is juvenile at best. Not to mention that men that get labelled as having “beta” traits make more money in the long run and often avoid things like jails, rehabs and early death because much of the “alpha” male rhetoric and attitude is based on empty-headed chemically induced youthful recklessness.
Despite the fact that a greater percentage of Asian men make more money and are more educated than whites on average, the emasculation of Asian American men is more complete than any other race of men. A read a study a few years ago which concluded that an Asian American man must make $150K+ more a year than the average white man to be considered as a potential date according to their surveyed pool of single white women. Black men are emasculated in having higher overall death and murder rates as well as being the main target of state funded population control in big cities and being disproportionally put in prison, mostly for nonviolent drug offenses. But black men are even less emasculated because the stereotyped badboy image of black males being gangster rappers, thugs, big time athletes who outdo other races in almost all manly sports, smooth ladies man R&B singers with chiseled abs and airbrushed-looking haircuts as well as grown up mature actors to the President of the United States. All Asian men have is Lu Dong from Sixteen Candles, Jet Li and Jackie Chan in the mainstream media. The only masculine images of Asian American men in the mainstream media are few and far between and often involve the criminality and gangs like the scary Asian thugs on Gangland and Gran Torino.
Where I’m from in the Bay Area, Asian American men gain much more respect on all levels of society. Some of the biggest local Rap stars from the Bay Area are Asian American men who thrive in multicultural minority-majority circles (i.e. Equipto from SF, Ezale from Funktown in Oakland). But these images of Asian American men are few are far between in the mainstream media. These images are so rare that they are seen as “weird” to outsiders.
Asian men are purposely emasculated in mainstream America because Asian American men would pose a threat otherwise. If there was no bamboo ceiling in almost all arenas of the American professional world, educated Asian American men could gain too much political power in America.
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Folks, billions of Asian women couldn’t be wrong when it comes to Asian men. As someone mentioned, this emasculation of Asian men is a way of maintaining white supremacy, especially in the West.
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Looking at the 1970s, many sitcoms addressed and challenged racism, homophobia, stereotypes, etc, esp. the ones done by Norman Lear.
However, in the 2010s, sitcoms serve to reinforce and validate stereotypes and colour-blind racism and push assimilationism. How is that “groundbreaking”?
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Just minutes ago I had some time to kill before my dinner appointment near Union sq in Manhattan so walked down to take a look at Baohaus.
Lo and behold Eddie Huang himself was signing books for someone else to sell. I decided to get my personally signed copy then and there. We had a very brief conversation about the TV show and his book. He admits he does not like the show, but he said it was a start and “the next one will be better”.
He shook my hand and went to his office in the back.
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@jefe: That was very cool.
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Has anyone watched episodes from Season 2? I watched a few of them, and it seems even much more assimilationist than last year. Last year, it looked as if they tried to suggest that Asians face challenges due to a lack of assimilation, not racism.
However, the episodes this year portray the family living a lifestyle just like their white neighbors, as though they have fully assimilated in the past year. I can’t tell any difference from white people except that the main characters have Asian faces. I still have to read Eddie Huang’s memoir, but what I see this year looks even less like what I imagine the Asian American experience to be like.
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http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2016/07/31/3803563/constance-wu-great-wall-casting-heroes-dont-look-like-matt-damon/
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Eddie Huang, author of the original book “Fresh off the Boat”, posted an Op-Ed in the New York Times this week to black comedian Steve Harvey (who is, among other things, being blasted for his recent cozying association to Donald Trump). He rebuked Steve Harvey for his recent remarks about Asian men.
Hey, Steve Harvey, Who Says I Might Not Steal Your Girl?
Steve Harvey’s response 2 days ago and original video clip can be found here:
Steve Harvey Apologizes for Joke About Asian Men: ‘Humor Was Not Meant With Any Malice’
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/steve-harvey-asian-men-joke-apology-1201961629/
To me, his apology sounds remarkably similar to typical white fauxpologies:
There is no condemning of what he did, only an apology if it happened to offend anyone.
I know that Steve Harvey has been using comedy for decades to highlight racial injustices to blacks. What I really want to know is what kind of psychology allows a person to spurt out racist remarks to other groups, and then, only after being criticized, issues a fauxpology. Is it
– a intentional mimicking of white racism to appeal to a mainstream audience, or
– actual racist sentiment, or
– an osmotic absorption of racist sentiments taught to the general population through education and the media, specifically ones that promote Asian male emasculation and the designation of certain racial groups as safe targets of abuse?
I can see why white people blindly accept the stereotypes, but shouldn’t blacks recognize the stereotypes and know better? That is a rhetorical question, because undoubtedly, many Asian Americans are taught the same things and internalize the stereotypes themselves. I have even dropped my jaw more than once when I saw Asian Americans bash Asians in front of whites and blacks.
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@jefe
“only an apology if it happened to offend anyone.”
As you know there was no “if” in his apology, so not sure why you’re making up things. Almost every popular comedian I know does racial jokes. And I don’t think any of them should have to apologise for it.
But Eddie Huang has some nerve calling out Harvey since Huang’s own jokes have offended many Asians, women, blacks, etc.:
“Taiwanese Flat Booty Cake” and “I talked about how Asian women had flat asses ’cause they were all drinkin’ soy milk” offended many Asian women.
Surely he apologised, right? No. Instead he said “I hated seeing those crunchy-ass Asian women turn sour every time I told the soy milk joke.”
And then there’s this comment:
“I feel like Asian men have been emasculated so much in America that we’re basically treated like Black women…”
Many black women voiced their dismay to Huang, but again Huang couldn’t even bring himself to apologise “for offending” them.
In fact, he did the opposite, “they also didn’t understand my big lebowski jokes. i’m not going to apologize because people aren’t aware. i am.”
So where were you condemning this hypocrite when he offended others and refused to apologise to them?
As we can see, he has no problem telling offensive jokes at the expense of others, but God forbid someone’s joke makes him feel like the inadequate man he clearly is.
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resw, I don’t know what’s gotten into you lately, but I liking it.
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@gro jo,
Get some new material.
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@Resw
“Get some new material.”—Not going to happen. There is a method to his madness, but had to say love love love your response to jefe above. It has become a common them among him and kiwi to paint Asians as these victims of black people.
I said plenty of times that Asians play into those stereotypes because it is beneficial to them. Granted there are those that don’t, but there are enough that do for personal gain.
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@sharinalr
Well said!
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I think I might remember Eddie Huang as a kid that attended 4H Summer Camp with me way back in 1993. I just remember that face tanned a bit darker and him mentioning his parents were from Taiwan. It helps to be a reclusive and remember stuff from way back even if I was only 12.
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Is the “Asian Avenger” denying resw’s claims? How’s the campaign against evil Asian pimps coming along?
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If Eddie Huang made crass, offensive or racist remarks, that also should be pointed out too. It certainly should not be a one-way offensive/defensive thing.
Although I copied a link from Eddie Huang’s NYT op-ed, the main point of my comment was not about Eddie Huang personally. The point is to try to identify what is going on so that we can do something about it. Otherwise, only whites benefit if they can get the fingers always pointed AWAY from them, or if we devolve into thief-thief arguments.
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@Jefe
By pointing it out try pointing it out both ways. Too often you find that “black offender” and expect them to “know better” While ignoring the fact that Asians do it and your silent to it. Anti-black attitudes are strong in Asian communities. Something Asian activist do point out along with the fact the blacks will ride or die for Asian and other bon-black communities while yall leave us out to dry. Pointing out the one or two black people who did Asians wrong amountside to nothing. You are not better than the white guy that gets beat up by a black man and blames blacks in general.
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Non-black
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@sharinalr
“By pointing it out try pointing it out both ways.”
+1000
@jefe
“If Eddie Huang made crass, offensive or racist remarks”
What do you mean “if”???
I quoted what he said verbatim. If you had a problem with Harvey’s comments how do you not have a problem with Huang’s?
“that also should be pointed out too. ”
Really? Just “pointed out”?
I mean you really condemned Steve Harvey, and even lied about his apology. I point out Eddie Huang’s comments that offended Asian and black women, and you didn’t condemn him or his total lack of apology.
“the main point of my comment was not about Eddie Huang personally”
And that’s the problem I have with your main point.
You felt the need to pin an individual’s stupid joke on all black people.
So in your failed attempt to do so, you have more than demonstrated your bias and anti-black sentiment .
@Kiwi
“Let it be an Asian comedian making a joke about Blacks and even Asian progressives will condemn it”
Really?
Then do tell us which “Asian progressives” condemned Huang’s comments that offended so many black women? I’ll wait.
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You felt the need to pin an individual’s stupid joke on all black people.
This is it in a nutshell. Why do you impute this goof’s Harvey comments to blacks? Why should we sanction him?
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resw, stop, just stop. You’re making me so conflicted. I’d given you up as a no- goodnik and you keep coming up with stuff that I wish I had written! Oh well, let me enjoy it while it last.
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@gro jo
“and you keep coming up with stuff that I wish I had written! ”
I know. Too bad I can’t say the same about you.
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Resw,
Please feel free to include some links with Eddie Huang’s exact quotes so that we can better criticize and evaluate them here. It probably would not be off topic to this post. Maybe we can then come up with better mechanism to address them on all sides without using ad hominem or thief-thief arguments.
Fully agree that we should not be pinning this kind of behaviour on any single individual person, who does not speak for everyone. At the same time, we cannot invalidate anyone’s personal experience.
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@jefe
“Please feel free to include some links with Eddie Huang’s exact quotes so that we can better criticize and evaluate them here”
Please. A quick google search of Huang’s own words that I put in quotations will indeed lead you there. Let’s not play games here.
“without using ad hominem or thief-thief arguments”
How dishonest. Please quote the ad hominem I used. And the only ones
using thief-thief arguments here are Huang and you.
“At the same time, we cannot invalidate anyone’s personal experience”
And who did that? And what does that have to do with Huang’s and your hypocrisy?
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