The New York Times reports that the grand jury has come to a decision on whether to charge Darren Wilson with a crime for gunning down an unarmed Michael Brown in the St Louis suburb of Ferguson, Missouri. The decision will be made public later today, Monday (November 24th 2014). It does not look good: last week Governor Jay Nixon declared a state of emergency to protect people and property.
Timeline:
Times given below are in CST (Central Standard Time), the time it is in Ferguson, which is one hour behind the US east coast and six hours behind GMT (the time zone of the comment thread):
Monday November 24th 2014
8.30pm CST (02:30 GMT): The grand jury will NOT charge Darren Wilson with a crime. He will not stand trial for killing Michael Brown.
10.10pm CST (04:10 GMT): Ferguson burns. Tear gas and smoke everywhere. The worst it has ever been. Obama spoke about an hour ago. He urges calm but not much else. Protests in Oakland, New York, Chicago and Seattle.
Tuesday November 25th 2014
03.00am CST (09:00 GMT): It is three in the morning in Ferguson. The streets are clear. The firefighters are putting out fires. The county police had a press conference an hour ago. They said at least 12 buildings were on fire, 29 people arrested, 150 shots fired (none by the police, they said), some bottles and rocks thrown at the police. No deaths or serious injuries on either side.
4.25pm (22:25 GMT): The grand jury transcript is now on the Internet, all 4,799 pages of it: grand-jury-testimony.pdf (29Mb).
4.54pm (22:53 GMT): The National Guard has arrived in Ferguson.
See also:
- Darren Wilson – White killer cop
- Michael Brown – unarmed Black 18-year-old
- Bob McCulloch – the county prosecutor
- Ferguson – the protests right after the shooting
Darren Wilson will “NOT” go to jail. Do people know what kind of system that we live in? Black people, wake up and realize that 80% of non-black people “HATE” you and want all of us “DEAD!!!” 80% of non-black people celebrate when our people are killed in the streets. Only a “FEW” black people will get it and change their ways and that is a “FACT!!!”
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Fredd, how is that a few will change their ways? What will change based on your new information?
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Whatever the verdict,will it be respected? If the cop is NOT indicted,will negroes start screaming”racism”? Come on,this case isn’t as cut and dried,as alot of blacks seem to believe.There are facts that have been made privy to the grand jury,and this cop cannot be tried,convicted and executed by the public-who does not have all the facts.
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Black people needs to get organized. Stop cooning and acting ignorant in mixed company. STOP KILLING ONE ANOTHER!!!!Every ethnicities have bad people in it but they don’t publicized their garbage like black people do. We “ARE” the scum under neath people’s shoes. We need to get it together or perish as a people. We need to love and respect one another because we already have enemies outside of black people and we have chocolate covered white supremacist killing, raping and stealing from innocent black people. The “Chocolate Covered White Supremacist” are “NOT” black people’s friends. They are the ones that are destroying black people period and everyone is laughing at us and 80% of them want black people “DEAD” and that is a “FACT!!!”
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Meanwhile somewhere in America, a black man turns off the Ferguson coverage on TV and goes back to clutching his robust white girlfriend.
Black man introspection: They love me. I know they do.That is why they lent me their women.
[ClOSE SHOT TO HIS EYES]
That’s why they gave me Steve Harvey and Kevin Hart. They cherish me…Cherish…..Ferguson…Is……..Not……………..A…..Real…..Town. [NESTLES HIS CHEEK INTO THE WOMAN’S ROBUST ARM, SAVORING A PALE BOTTLE BLONDE STRAND OF HAIR WITH A SPOOKY FASCINATION. HIS EYES THE SIZE OF JUPITER].
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@Fredd
Of course every ethnicity would make an effort to display hatred for blacks. It makes them one step closer to the towering top of white supremavy and the racial hierarchy. Racr is a race to the top or being associated with the top. It is why brainwashed “nonwhites” rather doe than marry, compliment, work at a job with blacks because it will disrupt the white matrix and make them one less step closer to the “top” in the eyes of white people.
Would the middle class or “nobles” speak and associate with peasants of would they rather associate with the king? Nobles and the more well off attempted to associate with the king and hated peasants. Nonblacks are the nobles and the “well off”(even of they get their own distaste from whites) from a sociology standpoint.
I wouldn’t be too shocked. It’s like children scampering to bow and get a title appointed from the self appointed king.
In other words…
YUCK!
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*Race and supremacy
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white people r devils period. they want togo back to the days where they could up and kill us for no damned reason whatsoever. And blacks with their lost asses are co-signing this madness,
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@DeepdkChocolate:
We don’t all want that. Really.
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Michael K.
It just seems to be common practice that cops do not get charged for crimes. No matter the evidence. Now this is not always the case, but I have seen a few cases where video evidence of the wrong was provided and the cop was still not charged. So the questions becomes what type of “privy” evidence do you really think is presented to grand jury that will make much of a change in what seems to be an american tradition?
Now considering the racism that seems to be ridden in that particular area, then racism is not that far of a cry.
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I personally don’t think he will be charged. Mainly because they already demonized Brown in the media, but also because it is not really highly that a cop will be charged. They are held to lower standards in my book and plush they have the backing of other officials that will likely not let that happen. Heck I am surprised this cop actually went to jail.
http://atlantadailyworld.com/2014/08/24/white-cop-raped-and-sexually-assaulted-7-black-women/
Have to wait to see if he will stand trial.
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Darren Wilson is getting ready to walk the Governor is giving this long speech. They know that Wilson is going to walk.
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Plus not plush
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sharinalr
I personally don’t think he will be charged. Mainly because they already demonized Brown in the media,
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Mike Brown demonized himself by behaving like a demon.
Live like a demon, die like a demon.
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^^^^
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lonflpXVo41qzvyhvo1_500.gif)
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It didn’t take long for people like Giuliani to say “focus on all the blacks killing blacks”. Hell, on yahoo this morning, the very first comment on an article about a African American male who ran 500+ miles to Ferguson in support of the murdered civilian said “don’t people have school??” while the other one said “what amazes me is that nobody talks about the black on black crime rate”. The majority of white people in America are not willing to look at race realistically.As early as 1962, 2/3 of white americans felt that blacks had the same privileges as whites particularly in the area of education (this is according to a gallup poll referenced in the documentary White Like Me on youtube). White people really just don’t have any idea what black people or even any other ethnicity goes through. I say this as someone who is neither black or white.
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@Hexar
That is very true. Interesting enough every time I post a link or some information on black on black crime rallies they have little or nothing to say. I call it a state of denial.
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They just announced no charges. I’m going to make a final appeal for peace and calm. Pants up. Don’t loot.
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Well i am not surprised we all knew what this would be. They knew all along how this would end.
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@thwack
Come again?
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If you do not like authority, become a cop!
This case hit me very hard. I weep for Michael and his family.
I pray for peace and wisdom to deal with the emotional pain and suffering. My heart aches again, another young black man’s blood shed in vain.
Darren Wilson is no angel either. He thuggish upbringing made him a pariah in society. His saving grace? He became a police officer.
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@Karianne
“If you do not like authority, become a cop!”—That is a perfect solution. Become a cop so you can beat, bully, and ultimately kill people. Because oddly enough that is what many of those “don’t like authority” people do and becoming a cop is like hitting the lottery for them because they will never end up being charged unless under some strenuous circumstances.
“His saving grace? He became a police officer.”—-ROFL!!!
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@Mary Burrell
Exactly. That is why it should be no surprise to anyone. The calling for the national guard so soon without any real knowledge of the news says a lot about how soon they already had an answer.
Even the stupidity of the racist do not surprise me at this point.
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Karianne
Darren Wilson is no angel either. He thuggish upbringing made him a pariah in society. His saving grace? He became a police officer.
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You wanna see what thuggish behavior really is?
Lets have “A Day Without Law Enforcement” day; just chose a day for ALL police officers to call in sick.
Within less than 1 hour you “gentle giant/teddy bear” supporters would be crying for Darren Wilson to come save you from all the thugs behaving like Michael Brown.
We have truly reached “peak negro.”
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Ok. So I’m reading the Wikipedia page about the incident:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown
I’m not sure what thwack is talking but according to Wikipedia Michael Brown took part in robbing a store just minutes before the confrontation with Darren Wilson that led to the struggle that led to the fatality.
Thoughts or other details we should know guys?
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thwack:
You may get your wish, but not all at once. If we could pick one day for “A Day Without Law Enforcement”, it would be a lesson to everyone.
Instead, we will have gradual “Detroitification” in many places in the U.S. (not the rich places at first, at least). This happens when tax revenues are not enough to pay for the local police force. It eventually leads to a downward spiral into anarchy.
Surrender Ferguson to Section 8. Move far away, white people. You are not wanted there.
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Symphonic Zambophones
“Thoughts or other details we should know guys?”—-
“It showed Brown taking cigarillos and shoving a store employee who tried to prevent him from leaving.”—–I am still waiting on the store owner to confirm he stole them. So far everyone else is/has written the narative.
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sharinalr
.”—–I am still waiting on the store owner to confirm he stole them.
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what?
Go back to Starbucks sherina;
The store owner is too afraid to confirm the theft cause Michael Browns thug friends will beat him to death, set him on fire and piss on the ashes.
“snitches get stitches”
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I read somewhere that the police officer is going to resign. I guess his supporters knew what they were doing when they raised all of that money for him.
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Kiwi:
Jealous much? You alternate between effeminate outbursts, e.g., “ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha” or “oh, I’ve never talked to a girl before”, and disgusting homoerotic innuendo.
I already figured you out. You’re not jealous that white guys take your women. You’re jealous that Asian women take your (preferred) guys. In your perverted mind, all Asians must secretly worship white men because you do.
You work hard to get my attention in every post…
but maybe even half white is good enough for you. I could tell you were enjoying the pounding you were taking from jefe at Anglo-Protestant.
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For all the baiters out there, looting and arson occurred in Vancouver, Ukraine Russia border, Hong Kong riots, etc etc… Media chooses to emphasize certain communities and ethnicities due to fulfilling stereotypical profiles. That is all.
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I am South African. I heard the verdict on the news this morning. I can’t quite articulate my emotion regarding of Michael Brown’ s senseless and tragic death. And the travesty of justice that is white America.
My heart goes out to Michael’ s family. I cannot imagine their depth of pain and sadness. Londrelle Hall, Ray Mills, the people of Ferguson and all Black Americans .
I don’t have any words.
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Now this is comedy. Seems you and biff got some sort of half-assed boke and tsukkomi routine going. Hard to figure out who’s supposed to be the straight guy, though.
That’s the same line of thinking that many of our unreconstructed commentators parrot from time to time. You sure biff isn’t “borrowing” your account?
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claire:
Supposedly, there were more than half a dozen witnesses, mostly black, who gave testimony that basically backed up officer Wilson’s version of events, i.e., that linebacker-sized, “gentle giant” Michael Brown had already attacked officer Wilson in his car (after robbing a store and roughing up an Asian clerk, and while high on an illegal drug) and was turning around to rush at officer Wilson at the moment when he was shot.
For purposes of this exercise, assuming HYPOTHETICALLY that the above scenario happened, and the jury got it right under applicable law do you believe:
(a) the law should be changed so that there is no self-defense exception to murder;
(b) justice was served and the MSM got it wrong, and Londrelles’s tears and all the rioting and killing were for nothing;
OR
(c) it doesn’t matter what really happened in this case because racism is real and black men are often victimized by white police officers?
Feel free to add in option (d) (you or anyone else), but remember that HYPOTHETICALLY we are assuming here that the more than half a dozen, mostly, black witnesses were telling the truth (even though they were scared to do so in public and they could be hurt or killed for doing so) and the couple people who said Michael Brown was shot execution style with his hands up were not telling the truth (understanding that we will never know what really happened–unless some secret videotape is recovered, which seems very unlikely).
If even asking this question makes you upset, feel free to go beat up some white South Africans.
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@TeddyBearSniffer
as far as I know, no incidence of looting and arson or riots occurred throughout the entire Occupy Central campaign for the past 2 months. There were only a couple of cases of vandalism perpetrated by a small no. of people, most notably the breaking of the glass door to the Legislative Council building last week. At maximum, 200,000 people showed up for the protests, When that happened, there was no violence coming from the protestors (no looting, arson or riots).
Since then there has been some taunting of police by a few protestors on several occasions, even trying to poke police with umbrellas. More violence from the police and outside agitators, resulting in some injuries.
No guns or military weaponry was used.
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Why are people in USA surprised,i knew Mike Brown was a dead end when that video clip of robbing a convenient shop came out.Remember Trayvon Martin case was lost even though he didn’t rob anyone before killed then imagine someone who just robbed a shop.
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@ thwack, LMAO
Do you really believe Darren Wilson would save you? He would shoot you between the eyes if he get another chance.
Thugs have all type of careers, politics, law enforcement, doctors, lawyers. They hide in plain sight.
I am negro, very proud one too. FYI, very educated one too!!
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Mr Abagond. Thank you for your most wonderful blog. May I ask why my comment to Biff was moderated? I would like to be part of your community and wouldn’ t want to jeopardise that. I had wanted to commiserate, not participate in verbal mudslinging and argumentation with a person who exhorts me to violence.
Thank you.
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Ms. Claire, you probably “accidently” used a bad word. Please read this carefully and feel free to try again: https://abagond.wordpress.com/comment-policy/
I don’t want violence, so this rioting and shooting after a grand jury considered months’ worth of testimony, including more than half a dozen mostly black witnesses supporting Mr. Wilson, and decided he was not guilty of a crime, is really puzzling. What if the majority of the black eye witnesses were telling the truth? Pants up. Don’t loot.
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“accidentally” even. Accidents can happen. You’re not the first to have a comment trigger moderation, but you can learn the words to avoid.
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Sharinair,
White people are also killed mostly by other whites in this country, but if you were to suggest this to a white person in defense of POC, they would say something like “you’re just making excuse for others!”. Yet, look at their response to Fergus, Trayvon, etc.
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Ok , I burnt my fingers. Note to self:
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typo: self.
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Sounds like they avoided the worst.
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Black American women are ridiculous.
You live in a country where you can pick up the phone at any time and call a white man with a gun to save you from a black thug; and the white man will actually come and do it.
Do you realize how lucky you are?
So why do you defend a dead black thug?
Black American women are ridiculous.
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Sharonalr,there is police corruption that involves all races,at times.They’ve lied against me once,and fabricated evidence so a conviction would be’in the bag’ for them.Then you have people like DeepdkChocolate,calling white people devils-with crap like that,there will never be equal treatment,because people like DeepDkChocolate DON’T WANT equality! They’d much rather see divisiveness.You might say that rap music,baggy pants,gangs,and’being a thug’ is a black cultural thing.But until the black race takes a real good hard look at things,and make some changes-no selling drugs,no thinking that carrying a gun is a cool thing-i am not sterotyping.Something needs to be done.Get one spokesperson-no militants like Sharpton,Farrakhan,Jackson,be humble,be friendly,stop wanting special treatments.Don’t be”African-American”-be black,as I am white.Do I ask to be called Polish-American,or British-American?Agree that affirmative action,is only wanting more priviledge than whites.Be the same;Don’t demand or expect special treatment,and strive to not break the law,strive to stay out of prison.Stop calling white people devils,and constantly bringing up crap that happened 150 years ago.Most importantly:FORGIVE,even as your Father in heaven,has forgiven you.
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Michael K, what you said is just more BS, but I feel like you mean well..which actually makes what you are saying sound even more dumb. This part was the most interesting:
” Don’t be”African-American”-be black,as I am white.Do I ask to be called Polish-American,or British-American?Agree that affirmative action,is only wanting more priviledge than whites.Be the same;Don’t demand or expect special treatment,and strive to not break the law,strive to stay out of prison.Stop calling white people devils,and constantly bringing up crap that happened 150 years ago.Most importantly:FORGIVE,even as your Father in heaven,has forgiven you.”
You don’t really get to dictate what any minority chooses to call itself. Btw, many black people in America do identify themselves as black as opposed to AA. Affirmative action, btw, is not demanding special treatment. Within the 20th century, for many decades, white people benefited from their own version of affirmative action which you seem silent on. It is because of this many older generations of white americans got to escape to suburbia. You do know that until the 60s, black people were not even considered equal human beings? And many people still do not consider them that even today? People can forgive, but that doesn’t mean they should just lie down and just be passive in the face of discrimination like you are suggesting.
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@ Claire
Your comment was moderated because you compared a commenter to an animal.
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@ Biff
Let Claire breathe. Dang you go comment for comment with her like a raging stalker.
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Nuwan
True. I no longer tell them. I just either post a link with that information or laugh. Much easier.
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i found a helicopter feed over ferguson with a row of approximately 15 police cars on fire, it’s not showing up now it was from rickey smiley morning show
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What’s really changed?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adiy075EGOs)
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Mr Abagond
Biff
Apology to all. The George Bernard Shaw quote was meant in the figurative sense.
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@Michael K.
Your comment is why some people should keep it short. They come off as very uneducated.
“You might say that rap music,baggy pants,gangs,and’being a thug’ is a black cultural thing.But until the black race takes a real good hard look at things,and make some changes”—I live in an area where this is worn by whites just as much as blacks so if I will call for a change it will be for the youth. In general Americans need to really make a change, but it is a change in attitude not clothes and considering I listened to tupac and still ended up wearing pencil skirts and being super girly, college educated etc. I think that false claim idea is a bit bs.
“no selling drugs,no thinking that carrying a gun is a cool thing-i am not sterotyping”—You are stereotyping because the selling of drugs is an American tradition particularly carried out in poor neighborhoods, but carrying guns being cool is a sure fire American Tradition. Almost everyone I know has a guy and a conceal to carry permit. My husband constantly talks of my gun is bigger than your gun with his white co-workers.
“be humble,be friendly,stop wanting special treatments”—And please tell me where black people have not done this only to still be not getting equal treatment? That statement is practically delusional and that is why you are seeing more black people stop trying because no matter to what heights they are willing to confirm it is still these excuses of they are not doing xyz that pop up from those that have never been to a black neighborhood or never interacted with black people, but have a thought that came about out of thin air.
“Don’t be”African-American”-be black,as I am white”—Go do research. Most blacks call themselves black Americans not African-American. It is whites that refer to them even still as African Americans. For those that do say African-American they are likely African Immigrants. If you have this much beef then beef with the US census who defines blacks regardless of where they are from as African-Americans, but this invisible beef you have with blacks is just that invisible.
“Agree that affirmative action,is only wanting more priviledge than whites.”—They say ignorance is bliss. You do realize that white females benefit from affirmative action more so than black people? I can provide that research information if you don’t have access to it, but I would say white women aren’t hurting.
“Be the same;Don’t demand or expect special treatment,and strive to not break the law,strive to stay out of prison.Stop calling white people devils,and constantly bringing up crap that happened 150 years ago.Most importantly:FORGIVE,even as your Father in heaven,has forgiven you.”——Too bad black people have been doing this so long that most blacks can see that it is pointless. How much more forgiving, not breaking the law, trying not to go to prison even though faced with trumped up charges, and accepting false history of slavery does it take for blacks to get equal treatment? Most blacks go about life that way and they still face the bs. So you plan was tried. Now if some blacks call whites white devils then to each their own but what does that have to do with the rest of us? So some bring up slavery, which is actually relevant of today according to school history and other bs that brings it up to falsely depict it, what does that have to do with the rest of us.
See all you did was bring about excuse for your own prejudice and racism, yet want people to look aside the racism of other whites and forgive when many whites can not do the very same. hmmmm….
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@ Claire
I have a comment policy, which Biff linked to. Read it if you have not already. It is short.
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Hexar
I should have read your comment before saying anything to MK as it addresses something I could have just taken out.
Well said.
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Even though there were few surprises last night, it still makes me sad and bitter and angry. I am still processing it, but hope to do a post on it later today.
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I saw this coming. It was still hard to grasp. I guess it’s because I keep thinking that maybe, just maybe the justice system will work on our behalf, that they will finally see Wilson as a crooked cop and Brown as a human being. I was wrong. And because of that, I’m angry and saddened.
For all you who support Wilson, I hope in your next life you come back as a black person.
Until then, keep siding with and praising those who share the same skin as you, but don’t care about you, waiting for them to tell you what to think and feel.
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boycott black friday
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Nomad
It won’t be much of a boycott for me. I never participate in it.
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“is all the forensic evidence suggesting that Brown attacked the police officer wrong?”—–Take a look at this people and realize that some white people expect you to take that azz whoopin a cop gives you because if you fight back then the evidence will support them. Even if they have to make it.
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@ Brothawolf
I saw it coming, too. If McCulloch, et al. had been thinking men, they would have pushed for involuntary manslaughter to salve immediate feelings of injustice, then dragged the resultant trial long enough to kill the nation’s ADHD-addled attention span and return a “not guilty” verdict.
But McCulloch, Nixon and others instrumental in this weren’t thinking men, but men who wanted to make known not just the power they’ve wield, but precisely what they think of the Black American populace.
Half the world sees the grand jury findings for what they are. The other half sees it as “just desserts” for what they see as thugs and criminals. It’s the stuff civil wars are made of.
@ Michael K.
The last thing Black Americans need right now is a refresher course in respectability politics. No need for “enlightened” members telling other Blacks that the source of their troubles come from sagging pants or “thug behavior.” White people love this narrative to death because Blacks, not whites, become the source of Black American issues.
In the meantime, the actual issues of a society that sees Blacks as fair game for disrespect and predation still stand unchallenged. Meanwhile, Blacks are encouraged to do as Maurice Dolberry describes:
Except meeting white cultural standards never guarantees security from further predation. If anything, striving for whiteness infuriates many whites, mostly on the lower ends of the socioeconomic totem pole.
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@Abagond and brothawolf
I understand how you both feel. I decided early on to detach emotions. They were pulling out Facebook pages of Brown that were not even him to paint him as a thug. They were making up rap sheets on the guy to prove a long history of being a thug. Anytime people go to that extent (risking careers mind you) it is pretty clear the outcome.
Though a lot of whites are eating their words as the protests were not only peaceful but powerful.
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@Mack
“If anything, striving for whiteness infuriates many whites, mostly on the lower ends of the socioeconomic totem pole.”—–Exactly!
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George Ryder said:
Evidence is neither right nor wrong. Interpretation of evidence is subjective.
Quibbling over disputed details of evidence is an exercise in missing the point. There are issues above and beyond what Michael Brown did or didn’t do. For example:
* it seem outrageous that cops so frequently use deadly firearms to subdue unarmed people
* I read that cops in many jurisdictions are allowed to use lethal force in cases where they feel their lives are threatened. That raises the question of why they so frequently seem to knowingly place themselves in situations where they can claim that they felt threatened. Is it to deliberately contrive “justification” of deadly force?
* cops could use non-lethal means to subdue. Sprays and tasers may not be sufficient in all cases, but surely they could be the first things to be tried in most cases, with bullets a very last resort
* the sheer number of POC killed in circumstances that do not justify use of deadly force establish a pattern
* historical behaviours of law enforcement towards POC establish a pattern going back generations
* historical attitudes of the criminal justice system towards POC establish a pattern going back geerations.
Those are just a few points.
What is happening in Ferguson is not just a reaction to one isolated event.
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if there is such a wide gap between the understanding of whites and the understanding of blacks, why do we not try to reach some form of separation? separation in USA, international separation which means stop of the biggest migration of time, the migration from subsaharan Africa to Europe
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@Erik Sieven
I wager there are not many blacks that have an issue with that, but in that it would require that whites remove themselves from the continent of Africa since individuals such as yourself tend to believe that is where blacks came from. Not only that whites would have to pay for those things removed or exploited in that time period. Pay for the transport of all blacks back to Africa. Pay to the families of all the blacks that was exploited for the sake of white people (inventing things that whites claimed as their own etc.). Basically it would require giving back what you seem to not want to.
So here are a few real questions for you if you are willing to answer them:
Why can’t we come to an agreement for whites to separate themselves from non-white continents and/or countries? Stop the mass take over of other people countries and claiming it as their own?
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MuCulloch works closely with the cops. He’s a prosecutor. Basically, the cops are his partners. He has relatives who are cops, etc. He was not finna prosecute a cop. At the same time, he needs to be elected, so he didn’t want to be the one to decide to let the cop go. So he cynically manipulated the grand jury process to create the appearance that an independent third party body had made this decision, tying his hands. The grand jury almost never fails to indict. This is because the prosecution is the only one who can present evidence, and the prosecution normally only presents evidence of guilt. Grand jury proceedings are normally conducted behind a veil of secrecy. Thus here McCulloch was free to gerrymander evidence in a way that made the cop seem innocent and present it to the grand jury.
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@ Erik Sieven
Take a look at this:
That’s the underlying issue. Whites simply have no reason to treat Blacks with any sort of respect or basic humanity, by far and large. Practising separatism just to satiate your pet peeve of migration from Africa to Europe won’t stop whites from abusing and predating on Blacks.
As far as your migration issue goes, all it’ll take to stop that is by transforming Africa into a stable economic powerhouse where Africans can find work, make meaningful economic contributions and build wealth for themselves and their families.
Of course, we’d have to create strong immigration policies to keep Europeans from migrating back into Africa in search of work. 😉
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@ sharinair:
most blacks have of course the big aim in life to live among whites or asians, because it is so much more comfortable.
@ Mack Lions:
do you really believe that someday any black nation could be “transformed” into a state where it is comparable to european, asian or american countries concerning living conditions?
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Erik Sieven
Then you don’t know many blacks, because most actually aim to live in nice houses aND nice neighborhoodsite not among whites or Asians. Thus affluent black neighborhoodscreen that whites such as yourself either don’t know about or wish to keep secret to push the lie of what “most” blacks want.
Also still waiting on you to answer my questions.
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Neighborhoods*
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@Erik Sieven
That’s the idiocy of your statement. The majority of Asians live in conditions that are exceedingly @ the bottom of the rung in living conditions in every possible way. That’s what a 4 billion + population deceives. The ones at the top are less than a fraction of a of a fraction of a fraction of 1 percent while those at the bottom are the majority the Western Media keeps on the hush hush.
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Don’t give up any type of hope or be blinded that this is a plight of your racial/ethnic community only. I know this is America and yes things must change in the socalled 1st country of the world. But please do the research and you will feel a solidarity that this shiiiit occurs world round in Eastern Europe, Middle East, and of course Asia on a rampant scale. The greatest sorcery the world’s best media has done is to fool people into thinking it’s just them or those people that this happens to or deserves to happen to. Do your research and get your sense of being in the form of pride and confidence back together know that you know that the other sides and corners of world have their own injustices. Don’t let the media skew your personal view of yourself or your community.
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@George Ryder
If a person uses force or attacks you first are you a) going to let them beat you or b) fight back. When you feel your life is in danger you can either lay down and die or fight for your life. This logic seems to carry as ok when put from the standpoint of Wilson but falls on deaf ears when taken from the standpoint of Brown. It is nothing more than common sense. Of course he would have bruises in that case as well, but he can use it to say….”Brown attacked me”. When a woman is about to be raped not all of them lay and take it contrary to belief. Some fight even with threat of knife or gun.
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The destruction of White property and White lives is the only language that most White people in the US seem to understand.
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George Ryder
But see that is viewing it one-sided because it also poses the idea that Wilson did not fear for his life enough that he would attempt to attack/confront a person of that size without back up.
“When a man with a gun tells me to sit down i sit, i’m not trying to get shot.”—That is you, but I carry so I don’t fear a man with a gun or anything else for that matter.
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@ Michael K
And what is it that White people should do?
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@abagond
That is when all the pretend Christians want to talk of peace, love, forgiveness.
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Pharrell slips into a New Black coma:
Pharrell Williams: Why Aren’t We Talking About Michael Brown’s ‘Bullyish’ Behavior?
http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/11/pharrell_williams_why_aren_t_we_talking_about_michael_brown_s_bully_behavior.html
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@ George
You do not need to get into the details because it is clear from a mile away that Wilson committed murder and that both the police and Bob McCulloch, the county prosecutor, know it. Their actions speak louder than words.
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@ Sharina
Exactly.
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George Ryder
“i don’t follow your logic here at all.”—Which is typical of most white Americans at this point. Wilson initiated first contact and that initiation was because they (Brown and friend) were walking in the road. If he was so fearful he would not take something so simply as a means to confront someone he feared. He then tried to order them in the car (depending on who you are asking). This is not a sign of someone in fear.
Yet it took you no time to point out that Brown was not in fear when Wilson apparently was not either.
“once again i don’t follow. what good will that gun do you against cops?”—If a cops pulls out a gun and threatens to shoot me then it is highly likely I will pull out mine. I can either sit and be shot or shoot back. Of course I have never met a cop that lacked pure common sense so…..
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I will say one more thing before I call it done for today.
“they are saying there was gun blast residue on browns hands and bullet woulds to his arms that would suggest he was reaching for the cops gun.”—If a cop pulls out a gun on you (or even threatens to) then you will either reach to get it away from him before he shoots or take your chances running.
Not saying that is for sure what he did, but there are many ways to look at the supposed evidence and prosecutors are verse at twisting it.
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@ George
Name three media sources that say that you can tell it was not murder from the forensics.
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@George Ryder
“for your sake i hope you don’t ever pull your gun on a cop”—I have never had to. Which speaks a level of volume in regards to the lack of training and racism in areas like Ferguson. I have encountered many white cops and the result was always the same. Put my weapon on the dashboard, show my permit, etc. I have even mouthed off at a cop once (he had an attitude and I returned it) and I did not end up on the road in cuffs or even threatened in anyway.
Even though racism does not purely escape my area, I still have not been met with the treatment that others have for doing the same things.
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Is anyone truly surprised by this? The media & white supremacies foot soldiers more commonly known as police have been on a lifelong jihad against black men. They’re all at home in white hoods celebrating right know as we mourn.
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Hi abagond Im sad about this result there is so much racism in usa. This world is so scary. Concerning our children and teens ive made a blog for them to ban the use of psychiatric drugs in usa to our children and teens.
andheart88.wordpress.com you will find my petition to president obama . Please be many as possible on my blog and support my petition. Many suicides and school shootings in usa are caused by those drugs . I want also the government to ban the use of screenings to check if our children have a so called mental disorder.
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@George
The dumbest thing ever heard is the idea that it is normal to stand still while a cop shoots you.
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George
If a person is set on shooting you there is absolutely nothing you can do to change it. Just with cops they can “present” evidence.
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George Ryder
“not all cops are bad & intend to kill you.”—Nor did I say all cops are bad or intend to kill me.
“but if you run or try to take their gun there’s a chance even a good cop will shoot you.”—If a cop intends to shoot you anyway then running or attempting to take his gun will do nothing but likely save your life.
“if a police officer points a gun at me & tells me to get on the ground i will do what i’m told. i will not a) run or b) try to take their gun, that seems like absolutely terrible advice to give someone, seriously.”—-It is equally terrible advice to tell someone that if a cop intends to kill you then just sit still so your case can be “fairly” heard in a court of law after you are dead.
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@George Ryder
I am sure abagond will respond with something profound, but…..he asked “Name three media sources that say that you can tell it was not murder from the forensics.”
None of what you presented is saying that you can tell it was not murder from the forensics. Grand Juries jobs are not to impose guilt or innocence but to decided if the case is worth taking to trial.
The evidence I have seen is ambiguous. Nothing uncommon with two people fighting and something that makes it very easy to simply dismiss because it is a he said he said with evidence that can go either way respectfully.
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George Ryder
I am not talking about what a lawful cop will do, so you can stop making it about what lawful cops will do to excuse what unlawful cops do.
If a cop makes it very clear that he intends to kill or harm you either through actions or telling you (which I have said several times above) then out of your options number 3 is simply you laying down to die or take said harm.
If you like having cops beating you or think it is ok to be shot in the back of the head just so you can say you did what you were told then that is you, but if a cop makes it clear his intentions for me I will not be laying around happily allowing him to do such.
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I am and never will be surprised, that white cops, people that kill black men, children, don’t get charged with murder in America.
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George, give up bro, Sharina doesn’t respond to logic because:
a) she’s a woman
and
b) she’s a black woman
Unlike you, females are not held to account for their behavior. Concepts like honor, integrity, fidelity are masculine qualities males are forced to internalize at an early age as a way to minimize punching each other.
I know of 3 women with records for assaulting police officers; they laugh about it like its cute.
Men live in the real world, women live in a world they make up.
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@ George Ryder
“do you stand by your advice to people for when they encounter the police?”—I sure do.
“the mental gymnastics you must do Sharina, i quoted you below…”—And what mental gymnastics are those? I am sure if you dive back you can quote many other things I said but homing in on this one changes little as to what I said.
“If a cop pulls out a gun on you (or even threatens to) then you will either reach to get it away from him before he shoots or take your chances running.”—-And the real question is what part of that are you failing to understand? All of it I presume. If a cop is pulling a gun on you do you really think he is doing it because he has good intentions? If he is threatening to use a weapon on you do you really believe he is pulling it out because he has good intentions?
You also tried to claim I was referring to all cops, which is not true and I can quote for you where that was a clear indication if you like.
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@George Ryder
And seriously I don’t do that so what point are you making? I made it clear not once but several times under what circumstances I would consider that acceptable.
Here: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/11/24/ferguson-grand-jury-verdict-on-darren-wilson-to-be-announced/#comment-267088
and
Here: https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/11/24/ferguson-grand-jury-verdict-on-darren-wilson-to-be-announced/#comment-267101
I know the difference between good cops and bad cops and good cops don’t rely solely on guns to do their jobs.
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@George Ryder
At any rate It was pretty decent to have a calm collected discussion with you. That was new to say the least.
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@George Ryder
“when the other person has a gun proceed with caution at all times.”—I live in the south. Most people have a gun. Even grannies, so if anyone cop or otherwise has it in their mind that they will try to take advantage of someone through ill means they need always think that the other has a gun too.
I get what you are saying about caution, but even cautious people meet ill fates.
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@ George
So where in the 4,799 pages of the transcript does it show that the forensics cleared Wilson of murder?
The first one does not show it at all.
I saw the grand jury results on Fox News. It did NOT show that the forensics clear Wilson of murder.
So again, please name the three media sources that cleared Wilson of murder based on forensics.
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George Ryder
I just hope you don’t encourage others to run from police or try to take guns from them, it’s not a good way to handle those encounters.
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George, thats EXACTLY what she is doing.
Its the absolute WORSE way to handle an encounter with the police
This is why black women are the worst stewards of black children in the known universe.
There is no worse advice you could give a black child than what Sharina advocates.
Michael Brown is dead because of the impulsive, belligerent BEHAVIOR he learned from his mom.
You just can’t make this stuff up.
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pffft….
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sondis
“pffft”—-I second that.
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Is that some official report or one man’s opinion of the evidence?
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@George Ryder
I am just asking a question.
“CNN also talked about the jury’s verdict on the physical evidence & how Brown was NOT shot in the back.”—Yet CNN still has not gotten the memo that no one said he was shot in the back, at least out of the initial witnesses they claim said it.
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Darren Wilson and his so called wounds are just laughable. They are barely noticeable it looks like windburn or chapped red skin. He is a huge feces stain and i hope he gets his come uppance.
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When describing the skirmish between Him and Mike Brown he played up that savage black brute stereotype. That b.s. about how he was like a 5 year old to Mike Brown’s incredible Hulk. Such b.s. This whole crises is just sickening.
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This country is in retrograde. In Dallas, Texas they are protesting in front of the Dallas Police Department. They had a huge prayer vigil this evening downtown. This thing has affected many across the country.
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(reposting with edits to hopefully avoid moderation)
abagond,
You said: “You do not need to get into the details because it is clear from a mile away that Wilson committed murder”.
This statement blows me away. It’s like we don’t need a trial or evidence. The testimony of the majority of black eye witnesses that supports officer Wilson’s account is meaningless to you, because you saw it better than them “from a mile away”. You know it better than the jurors who studied the evidence for months (and saw a lot of evidence you didn’t see).
How can somebody so intelligent think this way?
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^^^The evidence is released so there is not something they saw that he didn’t. Plus do you mind pointing to where said released transcript say the race of each witness. As if the race ups or downs the credibility.
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Kiwi:
I had also tried to respond to you in my last post, but something got the comment in moderation when I was describing our previous conversations. Anyway, if readers here are paying attention, they will see you engage in personal insults against me much more than vice-versa. My moderated “racial slur” was a joking description of lower class whites.
I’m not sure why you think BM killed a man (do you believe everything he says? if so, did he say he did it in self-defense?). Also, you’re trying to associate me with crimes he may or may not have committed to “out-group” me. This is pretty silly when you see it for what it is.
claire: No hard feelings from me.
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Sharina:
I think it was informally mentioned at some point in something I read. Of course, the transcript wouldn’t say which race the witnesses were. It’s possible they were majority white, though that seems unlikely given the demographics of Ferguson.
Obviously, the race of the witnesses should not be an issue, but when the black community thinks it’s all about white people out to distort facts and get black people, then it does matter.
Also, I’ve heard many people say this is not just about what happened in Ferguson, it’s about all the other racism that goes on. OK, but it’s like saying even if officer Wilson is innocent in this case we want blood because white people often do bad things, facts be @*%!ed.
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Oh boy, here we go. The problem is the black community thinks this stuff “only happens to blacks.” As in only police brutality and violence ONLY ever happens to blacks and only white cops get away with it.
There are COUNTLESS examples of white cops beating innocent white people and killing presumably innocent white people with zero consequences.
I have plenty of examples to share with you if you would like citations. You probably haven’t heard of them because they never make the news! And of course there are certainly no riots.
As if this is an “injustice” to black people. Give me a break, it happens to white people constantly.
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I saw a great quote by W.E.B. Dubois, “A system cannot fail those it was never meant to protect.” So appropriate for this time.
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biff
The thing about informal information is when it is wrong or lacking they often choose not to correct it.
Most of the witnesses were contradictory. The only thing they were solid on was a scuffle in the vehicle. Little or no clarity on how or who started it. Fairly consistent on what happened out of the car.
While Ferguson seems to be a big movement, it is not about just that. Cops are and have been out of control for sometime and police corruption as well as system corruption is definitely something people should be talking about. There are people of all races that see an issue with this case and many like it. While some want to make it about racism and I am sorry but this one clearly is (racism riddled in that area) there is a much deeper problem that needs to be addressed.
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Sublime
Post these countless example and if you lIke we can make a list to see who it happens to more. Problem solved.
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And yes I am sick of the “it’seems a contest” attitude.
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“It’s a contest”
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Mary Burrell
When describing the skirmish between Him and Mike Brown he played up that savage black brute stereotype.
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This is why you should reject advice from females; they rarely fight people who could strangle them with their bare hands. Just listen to how Mary Burrell dismisses the act of a man fighting another man for his life?
She has no clue, but does that stop her from spreading her ignorance?
She has never fought a man in a life or death situation and she never will; this is why she describes the event as “a skirmish.”
She has no clue.
Gentlemen, think about the last time you got in a STREET fight?
Would you call that a skirmish?
Or a war?
Women are ridiculous.
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Personally, I just think it is kill, kill, kill and then cover. All I ever hear from people is, my goodness his strength was a lethal weapon, cops have to protect themselves first. Yet, comparably to other supposedly first nations the rules in lethal combat between cops and civilian is less regulated. Being a cop is a scary “Job”. Being a Black male isn’t a Job, but it feels like a more dangerous profession.
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@Thwack: Put your self on the SIMP ALERT: AZZ CLOWN. NOT HERE FOR YOUR BALD HEADED GAMES. YOU ARE NOT FUNNY OR CLEAVER. DUMB AZZ.
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It’s a sad state of affairs. I knew they wouldn’t indict another killer cop D. Wilson especially after Eric Gardner being choked to death in broad daylight with cameras on could not seal an indictment. But I still had a glimmer of hope. In my Esther Rolle voice *D@mn, DAMN, Damn!*
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Children are the future . How can you advance in a country where children are drugged with psychiatric drugs. (Adults are too) the society and government is corrupt. Visit my blog andheart88.wordpress.com
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It dont only happens to blacks but blacks suffer more of it. Sorry but dont forget that there exists a white supremacy in usa . All usa history is founded on it
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@ biff
Of course I do not know all the facts. Of course it should have gone to trial. But from the way McCulloch and the police acted you can tell they think Wilson is guilty. Why else the hideous show of military force? Why else did McCulloch prevent it from going to trial? Because they knew Wilson was guilty as sin. Therefore they abused their power to suspend democratic norms to protect him. What the hell do you think all the protests were about?
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@ George
That is only one media source – NPR.
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Usa is a wonderful country but so complicated. Love your neighbor as yourself if only we followed this command from god things like this will be rare. Love is the solution. Jw.org
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Kiwi said:
“I’m pointing out how you always jump to the occasion to serve as Big Momma’s head cheerleader, while hypocritically ignoring his own racism and act of homicide.”
I’m not familiar with his act of “homicide”. Why don’t you point me to the post(s) where he talks about it. Otherwise, I’m ignoring something I know nothing about.
As for whether a statement is “racist” I think that is a distraction and is a kind of “equalist” propaganda. My first question is instead whether it is factually true or false.
George said:
“maybe we should pull white officers from these areas entirely???”
George, it worked great in Detroit.
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abagond,
you said “But from the way McCulloch and the police acted you can tell they think Wilson is guilty. Why else the hideous show of military force? Why else did McCulloch prevent it from going to trial? Because they knew Wilson was guilty as sin. Therefore they abused their power to suspend democratic norms to protect him. What the hell do you think all the protests were about?”
I totally disagree with you and don’t see it that way at all. If this happens to a similar white guy (just robbed a store and high on drugs attacking a police officer in his car), it’s case closed, no protests, no prosecution if there are MANY WITNESSES backing up the police officer. Normally, it would NEVER go to trial. That’s the point. If it’s clear there is NOT ENOUGH evidence to convict, there is no trial. Blacks tried to force a trial and a conviction. That’s why the show of force was necessary. To stop the protests.
If they can’t even convince a grand jury, what is the point of a trial? It would be a much higher standard of proof. And, it would take more time. And, in the end, the result is the same. Rioting and protests and more loss of property and life. Whites move out of Ferguson and it becomes a mini-Detroit with massive crime and youths shots and killed regularly. It’s disgusting that blacks don’t care about this result AT ALL. So, let Ferguson burn.
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Oh Dear
Is someone out there (on planet Earth) suggesting that if a black cop shot and killed an unarmed teenage white guy and got off scot free that things would have turned out the same, ie, case closed, no prosecution, but sans protests? Nah, must be someone from another planet.
Again, is this someone on planet Earth saying these things? Must not be a human being.
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Interesting take on it.
http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-side
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Kiwi said:
“Is someone out there (on planet Earth) suggesting that if a black cop shot and killed an unarmed teenage white guy and got off scot free that things would have turned out the same, ie, case closed, no prosecution, but sans protests? Nah, must be someone from another planet.”
Dillon Taylor was from another planet I guess…
His story began, “Taylor was on his way to visit his mother’s grave, along with his cousin, Adam Thayne and his brother, Jerrail Taylor, just moments before a group of cops rolled into the parking lot on August 11, 2014.” His crime?.. “Both Taylor’s brother and cousin say he was wearing headphones.”..
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@ Mary:
I find it hard to believe that the clown has ever been in a real fight. He seems to prefer picking on women. Maybe he yelled a few insults at girls out of a fast moving car in the past, but that’s about as close to “STREET fight” (important, macho capitalisation) as I can imagine him getting.
LOL.
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@ What the hell do you think all the protests were about?
It was about feeling good, like a big Fantasy Game: lets imagine we are victims. And for a substantial part of protesters it was about having some fun, destroying things, attacking white cops, getting stuff from looting.
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@Erik Sieven:You are profoundly stupid.
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Should be “jefe said” in my comment above.
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Kiwi:
I never heard BM/DJ/CC/DDG (assuming they may be the same person, as you seem to) say they killed anyone. I don’t think you would make something like that up. I don’t think you are dishonest (except in the intellectual sense), but I would have to see the actual comment from him to judge if BM was being serious about killing someone, and if so, if he was possibly acting in self-defense or otherwise engaging in justified killing. If you can’t provide the cite, you’re just slandering him by implying that he’s a murderer.
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@biff
Kiwi isn’the slandering or implying as most of us who have been here for a while know this. What thread it is on would require a lot of going back.
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@Mary Burrell
I was getting ready to come back and say how you would likely ignore his dumb azz. LOL. *high five*
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I would like to see that store clerk in the Ferguson Market & Liquor store come forward and speak.
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@ Erik Sieven
You assume that there are no black nations where living conditions would be comparable to the European, American or Asian standards you point out. You also assume that Blacks would be utterly incapable of creating those conditions.
That would require believing the words that Chief Justice Roger Taney spoke regarding the black person’s condition within the U.S.:
If Black people are unable and incapable of creating the same national standards as other ethnic groups, for whatever reason you posit, then does that mean the only use for Black people on this earth is as “property” and “tools” to be used for the benefit of other ethnic groups? Sounds like you’re trapped in the morass of America-narrated racial theory, where members of the planter class virulently justify their use of black bodies as chattel for their own benefit.
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@jefe
I would as well.
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Someone mentioned replacing white cops in Black neighborhoods with Black cops. As long as the system is founded on the fundamental premise of keeping freed slaves under control, their behavior will mirror that of their white counterparts.
There comes a point when a home has to be razed to the ground and rebuilt from the foundation up. America is a termite-riddled mess.
@ buddhuu
You have to wonder if thwack thinks of himself as a “real” Black man for putting Black women “in check.” I’d imagine he’s the type of guy who’d “holla” at a random woman walking down the street and get pissed when she (rightfully) ignores him.
As I said before, he’s a regular Jody from Baby Boy.
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jefe
I would like to see that store clerk in the Ferguson Market & Liquor store come forward and speak.
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Thank you jefe.
I have been wondering the same thing ever since this event occurred. Does anyone know if the grand jury issued a subpoena to force his testimony for the public record?
They had the power to do this and jail him indefinitely if he refused.
Was it done?
If not, why not?
Why don’t we know the name of this person?
Is he a phantom?
Did he leave the country?
We see Michael Brown assaulting a person on the video but no one knows the persons name?
Why?
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King
Interesting take on it.
http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-side-
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We all have “a take” on it.
Does anyone have a link to the actual transcripts of Officer Wilson’s FIRST interview about the shooting?
NOT someones “take” on it; but a transcript of the FIRST actual words RECORDED out of Darren Wilson’s mouth; PRINTED on a piece of paper and SIGNED by Darren Wilson?
Where is that document?
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@ML
You know about Chief Justice Taney?
I hope Abagond considers doing a post on Roger B. Taney. Maybe for the next White History month.
You know he is one of the “sons” of Maryland. There was a middle school (formerly Junior High School) near where I grew up named after Roger B. Taney.
However, by the time the school became over 75% black and students had to learn about the “hero” that the school was named after, something had to give and it was renamed “Thurgood Marshall Middle School”.
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Ferguson Market & Liquor was vandalized and looted after the announcement. Really would like to hear what they have to say.
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@biff
“Dillon Taylor was from another planet I guess”—I have been following this case and the officer was said to be non-white. This does not automatically equal black and it is a shame that there are some news outlets that are unethically running it as white kid shot by black cop. If you have other information of a recent nature then do share, but it shows a level of dishonestly to pass this information without first backing it up.
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http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58472404-78/taylor-cruz-hands-gill.html.csp
So some white people can stop using Dillion Taylor as the black cop white victim dream.
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Surprised to see this article in CNN
(http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/26/us/ferguson-racism-or-racial-bias/index.html)
Looks like it was written specifically for this blog.
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I have to say that this case has really made me realize that intelligence or any type of brain functioning in some Americans is lacking or just plain non-existent. So that lens you said George sees things through apparently is common.
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Having black in the black neighborhoods don’t always equal fair cop. There have been videotapes of black cops beating black citizens. So that is not the panacea for this deadly on going occurrence of police brutality.
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Dang, typos Let me start again having black cops in the black neighborhoods is not the panacea for this deadly occurrence of police brutality. Black cop does not equal fair cop. There has been videotapes of black cops beating black citizens.
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Mary Burrell said:
“Having black in the black neighborhoods don’t always equal fair cop. There have been videotapes of black cops beating black citizens. So that is not the panacea for this deadly on going occurrence of police brutality.”
Of course not, having blacks cops in black neighborhoods will likely increase brutality, corruption, crime and resulting deaths. However, it could reduce meaningless protests because blacks don’t really care about black on black crime. At this point, most whites are just tired of hearing about this stuff…
sharina:
do you think they said the shooter of Dillon Taylor was “non-white” rather than “black” because: (i) if they said he was “black”, whites would engage in violent protests; or (ii) because they were worried about more meaningless protests if the cop was “white”? (in which case, Dillon Taylor would magically become a Hispanic youth). I’ll give you a hint, it’s not (i).
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biff
While I like a good cat and mouse game as much as the next, I find it highly interesting how you point to anything to avoid admitting that you wrongly used a case as an example of black cop white victim.
The shooter was non white rather than black because he was simply not white and not black from the video presented. Had you did better research you would know just that, but you allow your bias to take over and engaged in confirmation bias without proper research. Your (I) and (ii) simply do not apply here.
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@biff
I personally think you should stop talking out of your azz. I know of several groups that are dealing with black on black crime, so this idea that blacks don’t care is nothing more than part of your imagination.
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Sharina:
I never said the cop in that case was “black”. I just implied it was an alternate example that proves I am not “from another planet”… No, if they announce that instead of being “not white” he is “black” it doesn’t change the result.. no riots and no trial. That’s the point. Not whether that “not white” cop actually had the requisite “one drop” of black blood.
Sharina:
I wasn’t aware about all the protests re: black on black crime. I guess it’s the media’s fault for covering this Michael Brown garbage (drugged up robber attacking a cop) instead of all the massive protests against black on black crime…
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If you don’t have the link, here it is.
Any real discussion of the case and verdict itself should be based primarily on this:
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@biff: You are a feces stain on the collective underwear of society. You are disgusting.
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@biff: You don’t even care about black on black crime. Stop playing games.
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@biff
“I never said the cop in that case was “black”. etc.”—I never said you did but you tried to use it as an example as such in your back and forth with Kiwi, so you can greatly save the back-peddling. It is shameful.
“I wasn’t aware about all the protests re: black on black crime. “—Why blame the media when people are just lazy. The media is doing their job of selective reporting because they know that entertainment pays not truth. People on the other hand need and like being spoon-fed things because they can’t be bothered with “research”. And here I thought internet made it easier. I just finished a back and forth with an individual who did not know the difference between ballistics, toxicology, and an autopsy. Imagine how many people chimed in to tell her her grave mistake….none because she was in line with what they believed.
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@biff
You do realize that not white means Hispanics and Asians right?
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@Sharina & Mary B. Co-sign on all the valid points you two have made concerning this whole Michael Brown (R.I.P.) tragedy that has turned into a shameful media circus (on behalf of those who are biased in the media)!!!
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