Halloween (October 31st) is a holiday observed in Anglo America and elsewhere. No one gets off from school or work, but near sunset children dress up as witches, ghosts, cats, cartoon characters, superheroes, and so on and go door to door asking for candy. Some people decorate their house – or visit a haunted house. It is a time for costume parties – and for racially insensitive costumes.
The holiday has nothing to do with the Mexican Day of the Dead, an older and more serious holiday to honour the dead that takes place two days later. Nor does it have much to do with All Saints Day, the religious holiday it is the eve of and named after (Halloween = All Hallow’s Eve): Halloween came first.
You can tell it is as old as dirt:
- it features witches and ghosts (pre-Christian beings) and
- it starts at sunset (a pre-Roman practice).
It goes back at least 2,000 years, back when it was New Year’s Eve in Britain and Ireland, back before the Romans brought their calendar. That was the night when the ghosts of the dead came back to earth and Druids (priests) could see into the future. It was called Summer’s End (Samhain, said “sah-win”), the last night before the dark half of the year came. People dressed up as animals and gathered round huge bonfires, telling fortunes and sacrificing animals.
The holiday does not appear in Anglo American almanacs till the late 1800s. The Puritans were against it as a pagan holiday. Some Christians still are. But after the Irish Potato Famine (1845-1852), millions of Irish fled to Anglo America, bringing the holiday with them. So did the Scottish. By 1911 it was a mainstream American holiday.
Some customs:
Trick or treat: When children ask for candy they say “Trick or treat” and hold out their bags. If they do not receive a treat, like candy, they are allowed to play a trick, like throw eggs at your house or toilet paper in your trees (rarely done in practice). Although dressing up and asking for candy goes back to at least 1911, the catchphrase “Trick or treat” did not start catching on till the 1930s.
Jack o’lanterns: a hollowed out pumpkin with pieces cut out that make a face when a candle is put inside. In America such jack o’lanterns go back to at least 1834, before Halloween caught on. By 1866 people made them for Halloween – but it seems they also made them for Thanksgiving.
Racially insensitive costumes: Some, particularly white university students it seems, will dress up as Barack Obama or Kanye West or some other famous black person and then, supposedly for the sake of realism, put on blackface. Or they will wear Afro wigs or dreadlocks. Or an American Indian headdress. Or some ethnically stereotyped costume. Supposedly to “honour” said ethnic groups. But given the year-round racism of whites, it can come off as mockery, as a racist joke, no matter how it was “meant”.
– Abagond, 2013.
Source: Wikipedia, History.com, Chescaleigh, Nuestra Hermana.
See also:
Abagond 
Prince Harry dressed up as a Nazi a few years ago. He caught a lot of heat for that, and rightly so. I haven’t encountered any news stories, or seen White people with Blackface, in the UK. Although I’m sure it has and does happen. I can’t believe this is pervasive in the US. That is truly disgusting.
Yesterday, a WW and her kids approached my mom for money (money has replaced candy in the UK). She gave them some change. Then the WW and her kids circled my mom, demanding that she give them a few pounds. She said “no,” but they tried to persist and intimidate. She told them “move” and walked on. A few months ago, a young White boy, out with his mom, tried to snatch my pug when we were at the park. And White girl gangs have been popping up in my neighborhood. A number of White people are getting quite ghetto these days. There goes the neighborhood. 😀
I’ll probably watch a scary flick tonight. I don’t mind candy, costumes, and slasher movies for Halloween, but I’m careful not to celebrate the occult because of my religious beliefs.
Well, happy Halloween.
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When blacks & whites are equals across the board in all facets of life, then I can understand the white person putting on blackface.
But young whites dressing as Trayvon Martin & George Zimmerman, not only proves that you believe the crime & the trial was some bullsh-t, but deep in the recesses of a white subconscious mind, you wanna role play that out on some innocent vulnerable black person.
Because there are an infinite amount of people & objects you can role play for Halloween, but you have to strive towards the racially insensitive.
“Racism is as American as Apple Pie.”
It would not be as funny if I dressed up as OJ Simpson (football helmet & tight black glove, and “If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit” T-Shirt) & got a black woman to put on Whiteface to play a bloody Nicole Simpson. Trust me, whites would be calling us all kind of n-ggers & monkeys for that kind of trolling.
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I love Halloween and all the folklore that goes along with it. I love “It’s The Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown” and I have got the “Thriller dance down pact. Happy Halloween to all.
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Blessed be
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@Ebonymonroe: Wow, just wow, that stuff about the trick or treating in UK, dang, you could really get a trick if you don’t treat over there? That was very informative. I appreciate that comment. Again, “Wow” that is just crazy.
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Nightmare before Christmas is one of my favorites as well. I love Jack Skelington.
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@Adonis: That was true and on point.
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Halloween is a silly “holiday”. I don’t get it at all.
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Halloween is a dentist’s holiday.
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I loved Halloween as a kid. I’d go out with a big shopping bag and return home with it half full of candy. Some of the take was stuff like candy corn (blech) or peppermints, but quite a bit of it back in those days was good stuff like miniature chocolate bars, red licorice or bubble gum.
When stories got out that some homeowners were putting razor blades in apples and poisoning the candy they were handing out, a lot of us were no longer allowed to go trick or treating any more.
I’ve noticed now as an adult, not many kids come around on Halloween in my neighborhood, and the few who do are usually escorted by either a parent or other adult relative. When I was a kid, a group of us would go out without any adult in sight.
When I myself first started handing out candy on Halloween, I had a problem with adult men (aged 20 and over), escorts for the kids, cupping their hands together and pushing them out to be filled right along with the children who were holding out bags or plastic pumpkin for filling. My solution to this was to give the kids the good stuff, but whenever I saw two manhands cupped together, I’d fill them with the cheapest and crappiest hard candies I could find.
The funniest thing was how these guys would take the crappy candy smilingly and then quickly shove it into their pockets as if they had pulled a fast one on me….
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[…] "…after the Irish Potato Famine (1845-1852), millions of Irish fled to North America, bringing Halloween with them." […]
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Five points:
I’ve never had a Halloween where if the kids came by and didn’t get any candy that they would violate my house, because (1) they knew better and (2) i’ve never seen or heard of it done in a black neighborhood.
And Another Halloween tradition is the airing of “The Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown”. It’s a holiday thing to broadcast the Peanuts Holiday specials during Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas and Valentine’s Day in an effort to bring “childhood innocence” to cable TV.
During a Halloween celebration at my old college, there was a show. I remember one female student having on a maid’s outfit with a short skirt…I’ll just leave it at that :-).
Last night at a small Halloween carnival at a local elementary school, I saw a white dude wearing a reggae hat with some fake dreads. He wasn’t wearing black face though. Still, I didn’t know what to think, but I did nothing because I didn’t want to cause a scene and end up in an article in the newspaper.
Why did they stop showing Garfield holiday specials, I wonder?
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Actually there are a lot of White Rastafarians who wear real dreadlocks everyday. There was a white ‘Rasta’ girl who I used to see getting on my train every morning on the way to work.
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halloween is christmas for me
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u aint hood if you havent taken your kids out with pillowcases trick or treatin some type of costume like that
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Agabond hits the nail on the head as usual. Our modern Halloween is a vestigial descendant of the old Celtic Samhain.
http://www.archaeoastronomy.com/index.shtml
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Scotland is very far north. The mainland lies between 55 and 60 degrees of latitude. At that latitude, there is a dramatic difference in the length of night/day between winter and summer. Most people who lived at those northern latitudes in older times recognized various ceremonies around the solar cycles.
If you were to graph the relative length of night and day over the course of a year, the result would look a lot like a sin wave (the main difference is that summer is a couple of days longer than winter because the earth travels more slowly, and farther, at apogee than at perigee).
The peak and valley of that wave would correspond with the solstices. The steepest part of the slop of the curve would correspond with the equinoxes.
At the equator, days remain very close to 12 hours exactly throughout the year. As one moves further away from the equator one gets, the amplitude of this curve becomes wider and wider. I live at 45 degrees — exactly half way from the equator to the north pole — and we see a swing of some 4 hours in terms of the length of day between winter solstice and summer solstice. At the poles, it is dark for 6 months and light for 6 months. St. Petersburg (Russia) celebrates its “White Nights” around the summer solstice. It is so far north that the summer solstice sun at night barely dips below the horizon, hovering there and lighting the night sky with its refracted twilight.
What the Celts focused on was the cross-quarters, those points between the solstices and the equinoxes that represented the “shoulders” of the curve. The equinox is a period of rapid change in the length of night/day. In contrast, the peak and valley of the curve represent periods of little change in the length of night/day. The period between cross-quarters lasts roughly three months. Thus, for people in the extreme north, the fall cross-quarter, Samhain, represents the start of a three-month period of relatively long, dark nights and short days (with low, weak sun even at mid-day). It’s a scary time, a time of ghosts and spirits.
The three-month “long dark” is then November through January. The spring cross-quarter, Imholc, corresponds very closely to our modern Ground Hog’s Day, which, like Halloween, is also a vestigial remnant of a Celtic pagan solar ritual (though our Valentine’s Day is also likely a parallel echo of Imholc).
The pagans also of course had ceremonies around the solstice and equinox. For the Winter Solstice, an old man would bring lumps of coal. Santa Klaus. For the Spring (Vernal) Equinox, we saw fertility symbols, such as a rabbit and/or eggs.
The Romans and the Catholic Church, in an effort to expand their empire northward, figured out ways to make the Christian and pagan calendars correspond. Thus, our modern Christmas contains a tortured juxtaposition of an apocryphal Christian narrative and pagan symbols such as Santa Klaus (whom, in a bit of sacrilegious onomatopoeia, the Catholics re-named “St. Nicholas”). This is why our modern Christmas and Easter are such oddly discordant holidays. They weren’t Christian holidays in traditional Christianity. Indeed, serious religious scholars will tell you that evidence in the Bible about the birth of Christ suggests that Christ was actually born in the spring of the year, not at Christmas.
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I agree that the people who dress as Trayvion and Zimmerman or Nazis are but holes and they are out for attention. I have a friend who went as a red head reggae singer mainly because he is a stoner and thought it was funny. my question is where is the line drawn do WP have to wear costumes that are solely reflective of white America? My step son is eight. he likes ninjas he went as a ninja last year is that racist of him. My sister went in day of the dead skull face paint my hispanic husband wasn’t offended by it but then I heard later that those costumes are offensive. So I am confused as to where the line is drawn.
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I’m pretty reasonable, and laid back on this. Just don’t do blackface or anything like that. And obviously, dressing up as Trayvon and/or Zimmerman, is extremely offensive. There’s a difference between dressing up as, say, a Samurai, and the offensive Asian roleplay in “Breakfast at Tiffany’s.” Would I be offended by seeing a white kid wearing an afro wig, pretending to be Michael, fronting “The Jackson 5?” No, I wouldn’t. Otherwise I’d have to be offended by the Fergies and Gwen Steffanis of the world, wearing cornrows and attire taken from Black urban culture. Would I be offended if the White kid dressed up as Michael had his face painted brown (blackface)? Yes.
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Halloween is best in college. College girls see Halloween as an excuse to dress up in almost nothing. Outside of college, Halloween is a weird holiday.
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if I can dress as a geisha on halloween why can’t some white person dress as a gangsta. why is the girl in that picture even offended, is she part of “gangsta” culture
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@Melody. If you have to ask then you haven’t been paying attention. Personally your dressing up as a Geisha isn’t ok. When you say dress up as gangsta what does that mean?
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Halloween is nearly upon us. I went to my local costume store and I saw a few “Asian” glasses on display. Asian glasses meaning built-in, slanted Asian eyes. I found it offensive and I spoke with the manager that something like this shouldn’t be sold. He said he only puts them out. He said I should write to the company who manufactured those glasses. So can anyone help me out please? I need to find the address for the makers of Chop Suey Specs. It says it’s made in Hong Kong, but there’s no address.
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If it’s a chain store you went to, you could call the head office and complain. If it is an independently owned store than call the media. The manager is being disingenuous by claiming he only puts ‘them out’.
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we’re giving out candy this year
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@Leigh
That is completely lame. The company who manufactured the glasses are not responsible for
– selling them
– displaying them
– ordering them
They only fill orders and someone must have designed it and ordered it to be made. The responsible party is the one trying to sell it. I am sure if you orchestrated a smear campaign in your hometown, the item would disappear off the shelves.
Please try to find the name of stuff like
– the importer (in Canada)
– the distributing agent (maybe in Hong Kong or something)
We can probably trace the manufacturer (probably in China – there is not much manufacturing in HK). But again, they are not the ones responsible. Someone sends the designs to them and they just copy them. People working for $1 an hour stitch them together.
@Herneith
OK, one can go ahead and complain, but advise that you (or whoever) will go to the next step if they do not reply.
Yes, go straight to the buying office / dept, etc. whoever ordered the merchandise (which is the MANAGER / OWNER in an independent store). If they do not give a satisfactory answer, then alert the Asian civil defense / civil rights groups (in both Canada and USA). They are always looking for stuff like that. Local media may or may not.
Leigh, you have support here. If you get a name for the distributing agent in HK, I can look up its location and managers, its business registration no., its street address, etc.
AND, even if you do get the name of the buyer and get it off the shelves, still you must alert the Asian Civil Rights groups. I am sure that they are not the only store that sells the products. They would be the ones to bring it up to a continental level.
Until the 1980s, a very popular toothpaste across Asia was called “Darkie”. It had a Chinese name (黑人牙膏 ) meaning “Black man’s toothpaste” and its icon was a man in blackface. The marketing angle was how much whiter teeth look like on a black man or on someone in blackface. Sufficient pressure was exercised on them to change their name to “Darlie”. It is still sold today.
You know, the story of that toothpaste might make an interesting idea for a post — something about how images of blacks and blackface were used in Asia for marketing purposes. When I get a around to it, maybe i will do some more research and draft a post on that. We might be able to apply some of the same ideas on dealing with Yellowface problems.
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Every year the costumes get more offensive and disgusting. I saw one blog site on a Army base with a black family hanging in effigy. It was vile and disturbing.
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If it’s a small store, they don’t really care if they offend some people, as that’s the point with a product like that. Larger store would not touch that stuff.
Manager’s response is hilarious, because makers in Hong Kong/China wouldn’t care about that stuff, any more than white people in the U.S. would care about Chinese using a “da bi zi” or big nose product made in the U.S. to look like white people (in fact we have these in the U.S. too), and he’s basically telling you go to talk to the “racist Chinese” people who made the product.
It’s really hard for people in the U.S. to believe, but outside of the West, there really is very little political correctness. We try to say the opinions of people of color and other countries should matter, but we ignore them when the results are not PC, as if they need to be educated by social justice warriors from the U.S..
“Darlie” is still alive and well in China, and the Chinese translation is still “black people’s toothpaste”. The think black people have nice looking white teeth.
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“Da bi zi” is an insult used to refer to white people generically in Chinese speaking countries.
http://www.rsdb.org/slur/da_bi_zi
A big nose is considered “different” in Asia, where Asian features are “normal”.
The fact that you keep throwing around insults like “stupid” in every sentence makes you sound really childish. I believe Abagond banned the word “!d!oT”, but apparently it’s fine to throw around “stupid” all you want. So knock yourself out, I guess.
Not sure why you need to reference the stereotypes of whites inventing and Asians copying, but sure. Give credit where credit is due.
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@ Kiwi
I expected (and wanted) the author to go into a piece about his mother, his immediate family and his childhood. It’s strange (evasive even?) that he doesn’t go into the conversation, that I imagine occurred, after his mother reveals past costume get ups.
Questions spring to mind! What kind of woman is the mother? What kind of person is the father? How do they racially objectify their own children? How the f&ck does someone do that? How could they adopt Asian kids and have an Asian character archetype sitting around in their brains and then project it onto the kids? How do they do that? How does the author open up Pandora’s Box regarding his mother and then just move on to other matters; after he opens with his mother’s act, a reader can’t pay attention to anything else he brings up because it pails in comparison to what she did to he and his sister.
The author’s story is an example of some/many whites not understanding racism. It’s also an example of calling something racist ineffective at times; something I tried to explain to Solesearch in the Mindy Kailing (sp) thread.
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@Mary Burrell:
I saw the pic of the hanging figures. They claim that the tableau was supposed to depict a scene from a horror movie. I looked the scene up on YouTube and, nope, that excuse doesn’t even begin to ring true.
This was done either through racist malice or spectacular stupidity. Only a complete idiot could hang black-face dummies and remain oblivious of the certainty of causing offence.
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Legion,
Abagond did a post about Korean adoptees (by white Americans)
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/korean-adoptees/
I expressed an opinion (which I had gotten from Frank H. Wu, the Asian American law professor and author on Asian American studies) that Asian American adoptees most of all need to learn how navigate US society as an Asian American, something that they will never learn from their white parents and their white schoolmates and teachers.
(https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/korean-adoptees/#comment-87496)
Have you NEVER met a Korean or Chinese adoptee raised by a white family?
Yes, this is indeed what many of them do. Sometimes I wonder if they think their kids are like dolls, something that they can dress up for their own entertainment.
But, I wonder if you missed what I interpreted as the main point of the article link above. Asian-Americans do not have an Asian American character to dress up as on Halloween. What comes to mind as quintessentially Asian American?
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Kiwi said: “Whites dress like Asians to mock them (party costumes). Asians dress like whites to get a job (business suits). This illustrates the power dynamic that intersects race and culture.”
This is ridiculous, it’s like saying that anyone who lives in a multi-story building, uses modern plumbing, uses a computer, phone or TV, flies a plane, drives a car or wears tennis shoes is acting white.
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Kiwi: You also said “Yeah, that explains why advertisements with “big nosed” white models are plastered everywhere in Asia and the women there are totally hung up on white men. Don’t forget, either, that half-white Asians are also extremely popular in Asia as they’re closer to the global beauty standard. Asians copy whites because they think of them as superior. They won’t admit it but deep down, they know it, as do you.”
This demonstrates so much self-hatred. Not all Asians think that whites are superior. Not all Asian women have an interest in white guys. People are different. Most white/black/brown Americans are now seriously obese. You think there aren’t tons of people who don’t want to have a svelte figure like most Asians do? If body weight is the defining characteristic of attractiveness, does it mean the standard for attractiveness is biased towards Asians?
Actually, the majority of Chinese have double eyelids. I understand that it bothers you that you don’t, but you would be too embarrassed to get surgery. What about braces? Are those also wrong?
I may have said this before, but Shanghai and Seoul are night and day in terms of conceptions of Western guys. In Shanghai, there are lots of Western brands and tons of advertisements with white people. Most Westerners have good corporate jobs and are making say at least 10x the average local salary (I have dated/hooked up girls where I made 100+x their salary, and it makes a big difference to these girls). Contrast to Seoul where most Western guys are army dudes or English teachers, both kind of low class in the eyes of Koreans (no American army signs are pretty common). The initial impression one makes by being a white dude is not a great one. Probably the hottest girls are not very accessible. Korean girls I dated never introduced me to their parents (before I met my wife), whereas that wasn’t a problem for the Chinese girls I dated. Look around any of the youth hot spots in Korea and it’s almost all Koreans and the advertisements show young, hip Koreans, with few whites.
In the U.S., as someone who came to identify as an egg (white on the inside, but yellow on the inside), there were Asian-American, particularly Korean, communities/sub-groups, where I felt pretty unwelcome because of who I was.. it’s not a 100% one way street. You overgeneralize and are inadvertently worshiping whites through your own massive inferiority complex.
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@ Jefe
But, I wonder if you missed what I interpreted as the main point of the article link above. Asian-Americans do not have an Asian American character to dress up as on Halloween. What comes to mind as quintessentially Asian American?
Re: missing his main point.
Like I said, the author shows a family dynamic that is a psychological Pandora’s Box. His own mother created a theater of the absurd with her own children as the spotlight oddities–HER OWN CHILDREN! It’s f**king sick.
“Main point”? The author may consciously want to select lack Asian American heroes as the point of his piece, but if that’s his desire, he shouldn’t have brought up his child abuse. Lack of Asian American heroes in the pop culture were not the causal factor in his mother’s behavior.
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@Legion,
It seems that you think that you think he should have focused his point on his mother’s childrearing behavior (which you labelled as abusive) instead of suggesting that the issue regarding Halloween costume choices was a lack of recognizable Asian American idols and heroes to dress up as.
But, reading his piece again, I don’t think he suggested that he felt that his mother’s childrearing practice was abusive. It didn’t seem to occur to him that his mother was abusive.
This is common when people think of their parents. As a child growing up, their parents’ behavior often seems, well, normal.
Also, it seems that that the “Lack of Asian American heroes in the pop culture” and “his mother’s behavior” were actually 2 separate issues and I don’t think the author implied one caused the other. In my opinion, I do think that the lack of Asian American heroes in pop culture is a factor (but not THE factor) in his mother selecting negative stereotypes as images.
In fact, I think the main theme of his article was “This recollection reminded me how, in my teens and early 20s, I made a conscious effort to carry over my Asian-American identity reclamation project onto my Halloween costume choices. That did not prove easy.”
Since he was raised by a white family, his whole entire Asian American identity was suppressed. So he looked forward to Halloween as a way to express it — as a way to be something that he is not normally allowed to be. So, he looked for some positive image (or at least something he could identify with) on the day where he was allowed to be Asian American for a day. The reminder is – there is precious little Asian American imagery in US popular media that he was hard pressed to find anything.
As children, his mother selected “Asian” images for them to portray on Halloween, but they were images based on stereotypes – Fu Manchu and coolies. Their mother, being white, probably did not even realize what she was doing. To her, they were not Asian stereotypes (and negative ones at that), but simply Asian images. If neither the children or the parents saw that as abuse, did abuse occur?
Well, I suppose we could find analogies – what if a white parent dressed up their adopted black child as a pickaninny, or a plantation house slave, or as a jungle savage? How about as a street thug? What if a white parent dressed up their adopted Native American children as a Great Plains warrior, or in a loincloth with a painted face?
No self-respecting Asian parent would dress up their kids as Fu Manchu. In fact, even in Hollywood, they were always played by white actors. What we really need in transracial adoptions is to have the parents learn to distinguish between a stereotype and an image and learn how to teach their children proper images. It should be TRAINING 101 in all adoptions. But it is not.
We end up with some sick childrearing practices, but I don’t think the author’s case was unusual. I have seen other parents dress up their transracially adopted kids as though their were pets or dolls (like those pet owners who dress up their pets in clothes).
Abagond has promised a post some day on Transracial adoption. See what happens there.
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Happy halloween blessed be
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Most un-pc costume I saw tonight. Couple dressed up in full body yellow bio-hazard suits ebola style, complete with facemasks. Then topped it off with black afro wigs…
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@ Jefe
It didn’t seem to occur to him that his mother was abusive.
Yeah, I know. That’s a big deal in and of itself.
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@ Jefe
Also, it seems that that the “Lack of Asian American heroes in the pop culture” and “his mother’s behavior” were actually 2 separate issues and I don’t think the author implied one caused the other.
Are you missing some of my meaning? Right, one does not follow from the other. The author’s piece is not coherent. He does not realize the incredible topical distraction of his mother’s racist projection, come Halloween. He wanted to write an identity politics piece, he is too unaware of the scope of what his mother did to realize how it steals the show from his intended main theme.
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Goddamit Jefe, just say “Uncle” already!!! 😀
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he wanted to write an identity politics piece, he incongruously and ungainly mixes child abuse in their too
^ I meant to work that in somehow. Anyway, there it is there.
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No self-respecting Asian parent would dress up their kids as Fu Manchu.
My feeling about it all is that no one should do that, Asian parent or any other kind of parent.
*sigh!* ideals, ideals…
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Hey!!
For Halloween, I am going to be a post-modern skyscraper with surreal digital imagery of beautiful Asian women embedded in the architecture aaaand!! a flying law enforcement vehicle surveilling the citizenry in a methodical hunt for ‘skin jobs’. All set in a future dystopia, where those with enough wealth are leaving Earth for “off world colonies”. Oh! And I will drink a lot too because when you’re the operator of a flying car in a harsh dystopian future, it’s essential to numb reality just beneath the threshold that would impair efficient hunting and killing of androids, who may just dream of electric sheep.
^Ambitious costume, I know. Wish me luck!
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I will be walking up to all girls and staring at their asses tonight.
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I caught the episode of the ABC show “Blackish” called Halloween Pranking and it was hilarious. I think i want to see more of that show, The extra real treat for me was when they family all dressed up like the Jackson Five with the baby girl dressed as Janet when she did her Mae West performance when she was young. Pretty funny show.
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Kiwi, it doesn’t amuse me. It saddens me.
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Brother Kiwi, I think white people like it when Asian-Americans do the payback gesture:
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@ Kiwi
You’re absolutely right. Some whites (like actor Richard Gere) and blacks have the epicanthic fold. Many southern African people have the epicanthic fold as well. I believe that the long residency in the sun bright desert of the Kalahari produced the epicanthic fold in the Khoisan people (Khoi Khoi, San, !Kung, etc.) who, as an ethnic group, are much older than Asian and white people.
Blonde-haired white man with naturally epicanthic folds (northern European)
San mother and child with naturally epicanthic folds (southern Africa)
I’m fully aware of the double eyelid surgeries among East Asians and Asian-Americans. Like with skin bleaching among black people in Africa and elsewhere, double eyelid surgeries among Asian people (particularly East Asian/Asian-American women) are at an alarming high.
Unfortunately, double eyelid surgery (and skin bleaching) stems from internalized racism. What is so hilarious is that white people love pitting African-Americans and Asian-Americans against one another, but NEVER do they admit or speak on the Westernization of black and Asian people. Westernization is cancerous to people of color.
The internalized racism of black and Asian people speaks for itself:
Before and after (Skin bleaching)
Before and after (Surgical double eyelid)
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@ Abagond
I know that I got off the topic of Halloween, but in some ways it relates to Halloween – permanent costume. LOL!!
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San mother and child with naturally epicanthic folds (southern Africa)
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I have them in the morning after a night of heavy drinking.
Great time for pirates last night; lots a free booty out there.
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“I have them in the morning after a night of heavy drinking.
Great time for pirates last night; lots a free booty out there.”
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Good luck!
You may wind up with more than than you bargained for after your night of heavy drinking.
It ain’t exactly FREE booty if you pick up (or spread) an incurable STD in the process… you could end up paying, BIG, whether you’re a Pirate, or whatever. It’s better to know whom (and what) you’re dealing with rather than timing a festive ONE night risk laden stand for a holiday booty-call.
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@buddhuu: Exactly, that is just hateful and sick. Individuals with that type of sick sense of humor are just frightening to me. They are the real Halloween monsters. I don’t understand how someone can take a tragedy like 9-11 in New York and dress up like the “Twin Towers” or dressing up like the Asian plane crash tragedy last year. People have been making fun of tragedy for years now that i stop to think about it. I wonder what the psychologist say about this type of behavior? If some black person dressed up as O.J. Simpson with a knife and some dolls with red paint simulating dead bodies white America would be outraged.
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What?
dinner and a movie?
These girls gave it up for FREE in high school; so now that they’re older and fatter I gotta pay?
That ain’t no booty I ever heard of?
What country are you from?
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“These girls gave it up for FREE in high school; so now that they’re older and fatter I gotta pay?
That ain’t no booty I ever heard of?
What country are you from?”
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I thought the CODE was about doing “constructive” behaviors, Thwack?
Obviously you don’t subscribe to Mr. Neely Fuller’s code (admonition) to Black people about knowing as much as you can about any potential intimate partner’s sexual history.
Are YOU really JW?
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Just Me
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I thought the CODE was about doing “constructive” behaviors, Thwack?
Obviously you don’t subscribe to Mr. Neely Fuller’s code (admonition) to Black people about knowing as much as you can about any potential intimate partner’s sexual history.
Are YOU really JW?
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The key to the UICCSC is in the first two words; the unity is in the goal, the independence is in way YOU get there.
Additionally the first page of each “chapter” addressing each of the 9 areas of people activity contains the same disclaimer in the 2nd paragraph; have YOU read it?
Fuller’s UICCSC suggests black people avoid marriage yet Ive seen his WIFE several times.
Under a system of white supremacy, no non white person can really be sure who they are because so much of our time and energy is spent reacting to white supremacists,
OR
reacting to people who are reacting to white supremacists.
Fuller said he planned to be a cucumber farmer.
It was a pirates wet dream last night.
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@ Kiwi
Guys like Biff are quite hilarious.
While Black people are ridding their skin of melanin and Asians are splitting the eyelids into two white women are tightening their face and thickening their lips and buttocks more than ever. I wouldn’t call this phenomenon (i.e., tightened face, enhanced lips and tush) internalized racism, it’s more like anti-aging. Could this be the reason why guys like Biff are leaving (or left) women that are considered the standard of beauty?
Attractive fashion model in bikini. Notice her natural buttocks. (1990)
Curvaceous fashion model showing her white bikini. Notice her enhanced buttocks. (2014)
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She better watch out for pirates in search of booty.
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@ thwack
No worries. Despite the fact that white women are the least group to be victims of crime when a white woman goes missing there will be extensive media coverage. (“Missing White Woman Syndrome”.)
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I accidentally found these Halloween pictures on Google. Last night, this white college student decided to dress up as rapper Nicki Minaj:
When will people, particularly white people, learn that a person’s ethnicity, culture and body type is NOT a Halloween costume?
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Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery
(I’d hit it; then I’d send her to the showers and hit it again)
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Kiwi:
I don’t think the single eyelid is a deformity. I’m personally kind of partial to girls with single eyelids. I am generally anti-cosmetic surgery, especially when, as in the case of breast implants, the appearance and feel is obviously fake.
However, there is this massive deep-seated insecurity you have. You have brought up your eyelids several times. If a quick and simple procedure will help you feel better about yourself and give you more self confidence, maybe it’s worth considering.
People dye their hair and wear make-up all the time. It’s not how they were born, but it evolved as a custom. Also, teeth that aren’t perfectly straight don’t qualify as a deformity. Most teeth straightening is for cosmetic purposes. Yes, a lot of beauty standards are Western, but the emphasis on people, especially women, being ridiculously skinny is not really a native “anglo” tradition. As I said, I’m sure there are tons of white women who are envious of Asian women’s figures. 50-60 years ago weight loss surgery was almost unheard of.
I dunno man, you are always complaining about your personal situation. I try to help you and you just throw insults at me. Seems you just want people to feel sorry for you. You’ve succeeded in that, at least with the ladies who frequent this site.
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typical Kiwi post:
@ biff
You are so stupid. You are retarded. You can’t read. X made a good point, but it went right over your head because you’re so stupid. Your wife clearly hates herself and hates her race because she married a white guy. Asians may not say it, but they all secretly think whites are superior. Asian women are racist because a lot of them date white guys. I have never talked to a girl, so I don’t know how to do that. But I could get a girl if I wanted. Other guys in my family are married, so of course I could get a girl if I really wanted to, but you don’t care. I look at most of the Asian girls with white guys and think they’re no good anyway. My aunt is racist because she married a white racist guy. She treats my cousin like he’s better than me because he’s part white. People act like my brother is better than me because he has double eyelids, but I don’t. It’s all because of white people’s racism and Western beauty standards. I’m not talking about my personal situation. I’m talking about racism, but you don’t care. You and Big Momma should get married. You’re so stupid. You just hate black people. I once had an Asian friend who lived in a lot of different places and he said it was the worst to be around white people, but you don’t care. You are so stupid.
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Kiwi:
You said “I see you finally get it”.
Yup. And I will go one step further. You have borderline autism and/or a personality disorder (you already know that), and you find it incredibly difficult to interact with other people in real life. This site is a refuge for you, where you can have a regular group of people you know (even though they aren’t really friends) and can vent about the unfairness you feel in your life. But you have no idea how repetitive and self-centered your comments seem. For a year, I tried to reach you and help you towards a higher level of understanding, but I failed. Finally, this is all you got, and I am wasting my time trying to interact with you.
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@ thwack
Your sex hormones are calling you, big time!! But be careful, son, because what looks good externally might be the opposite, internally. You don’t want to go to the bathroom with a sex organ mistaken for a blow torch.
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@ Kiwi
Biff has the nerve to lump double eyelid surgery with braces. Thanks to the Western diet American kids are the number one victims of “tooth deformity”. This type of deformity (“tooth deformity”) is very rare among non-Western children.
The Creator doesn’t make mistakes. Different skin hues and eyelids are perfectly natural. Ashe!
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@ Jefe
Any thoughts on my response to your response? I thought you’d have something else to say.
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