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Tommy Sotomayor

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Tommy Sotomayor (1975- ) is a Black American radio show host and YouTuber. He is best known for bashing black women, some of whom are trying to get him banned from YouTube.

For example:

See, I don’t like black women typically as a whole because they are a rude group, they’re a mean group, they’re a disgusting group and their main job is to destroy black men.

The majority of black women are pure evil.

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He says that black women tear down their men, like how Robin Givens is still bad-mouthing Mike Tyson 20 years later. White women do not do that, not even when their men screw up. Look at Tiger Woods’s wife.

Black women hold on to their anger and have this hateful look on their face half the time. They throw more black men in prison than even white men do. They do that mainly over assault charges and missed child support payments – something he has experienced first-hand, having been arrested at least three times and thrown in prison once.

Black women were already bad in his grandmother’s time (1950s?) – they were hot in the pants, not interested in being good mothers and wives. And they have been getting worse ever since.

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Dark-skinned women are the worst: they hate themselves and then wonder why no one likes them. He does think they are naturally uglier than light-skinned women, but they make it far worse than it has to be by their self-hatred, by not taking pride in their beauty, by wearing those “hair hats” that do not look good on them. Just look at Kelly Rowland!

He rarely bashes black men, but says that is because they are already bashed enough.

He has no trouble calling out the racism of white men.

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He gives a huge pass to white women. They are like how women should be. They are not as racist as black women imagine. But he does not point out, say, that Tiger Woods’s supposedly long-suffering wife sued him for $750 million.

He is not playing to a white audience – black women are his main demographic.

I do not think he is trolling – saying shocking things just to draw attention to himself and get his ratings up. He seems to be saying what he truly thinks.

Rather, Sotomayor is a male counterpart of BWE, the Black Women’s Empowerment movement.  It is the same trope with the sexes reversed:

  1. DBR: Damaged Beyond Repair: Blacks of the opposite sex are seen as completely screwed up.
  2. Worse Than White People: Most of the ills of Black America are blamed on the opposite sex, not on racism.
  3. Idealization of whites of the opposite sex – despite their dark past (rape, lynching, etc) and ongoing white racism (seen as “not as bad as people think”).

This comes from internalized racism – the anti-black racism that blacks pick up from the white mainstream culture. It is supported, like all stereotyped thinking, by confirmation bias, by cherry-picking. That is how Robin Givens becomes What Black Women Are Like.

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  1. Always good to read you blog. It keeps me in touch and thinking. Cheers!

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  2. I don’t listen to this guy and never heard of him until people started talking about him on this blog.

    If he is bashing black women why are they his largest demographic? Black women’s loyalty to black men, I guess. We have support them in everything they do.

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  3. LOL! This guy has issues. He suffers from Stockholm Syndrome (internalized racism). First time hearing about him via Peanut. I say-Good riddance, he should go marry a white woman and ride off into the sunset 😀 PEACE

    *sidenote* Abagond-you did leave the door open for trolls to bash Black women (oh well, nothing new-off to listen to India Arie’s Not the Average Girl)

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  4. Hes basically a Sexist who buys into racism. He’s a traitor.

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  5. I think as long as he is not beating up or bullying people, he should not be banned. Let him express his opinions (even if he does have issues). He admits that what he says is his opinion, right?

    My father also had these kind of issues. He dissed non-white women yet beat his white wife up often (I think as a surrogate for the white men who dissed him outside in the world). He had something beyond just issues.

    If people do not like what he says or does, then either ignore him, or condemn his views, just as you would expect people to do to you if they do not share your views.

    It would be different if Mr. Sotomayor were, say, superintendent of schools, or a key academic or political figure.

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  6. Why would blk women with sense listen to this fool! He is full of hell and his own projections. He is bucking for the white man and his racism. Everything he says is about him. He is full of no self esteem. He has no self worth. He blames blk women for his problems. He plays the victim.

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  7. Is it internalized racism when his hate is reserved for black women? I don’t think that phrase fully captures his issue.

    It is racialized misogyny.

    This post sounds like a defense of Sotomayor.

    Comparing this to the Paula Deen post:

    You summarize his many of his opinions without giving quotes from him. Even though I’m sure there are plenty to choose from, unlike the Deen post.

    You say that he shouldn’t be banned, unlike the Deen post.

    You try to downplay his racist misogyny as going overboard sometimes.

    You offer up excuses for his racism: he is trying to be intelligent and honest. There were no excuses offered for Deen.

    I could be wrong, like I said, I haven’t listened to guy, I’m just going from impressions from the ladies on the blog. Maybe, he really isn’t that bad. Maybe they are just evil black women trying to demonize him.

    All in all, I think this Sotomayor guy and this post illustrate my thoughts on black women, black men, and loyalty. Racism, Sexism and misogyny prevent most black men from being loyal to black women.

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  8. I’ve watched several of his videos on YouTube.

    I agree that he does believe in what he is saying

    I think its his bread and butter to be a hated personality that he as created for himself.

    I don’t agree with a lot of things he says about black women,i do believe however, some things he says, have some validity.

    I lean more to the ladder, so i don’t watch his videos anymore.

    I love my black women and he does not, so that makes us opposites.

    Far as banning him from YouTube, if you ban him, then you would have to ban, everyone.

    Freedom of speech….

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  9. Solesearch

    “Racism, Sexism and misogyny prevent most black men from being loyal to black women.”

    *******

    “Most?”

    .

    When/if “most” black men are being disloyal to black women – what exactly does this disloyalty look like? I’m not sure I’m understanding your racism, sexism, misogyny connection regarding most black men (in the USA?).

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  10. I like Tommy Sotomayor. Here is a man that has the balls to say that the Black community and especially black women have f*cked up!
    A lot of his supporters are actually black women.
    Thank god for this man because black people are now starting to see that a lot of what he said is true.

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  11. I watched a couple of his videos a while ago after someone posted about how he hates black women. I was offended by his words and never listened again.

    I think some black women get so angry and argumentative with him that they are drawn to him daily. They want to see “what will this fool say today”? Sort of like people who hate Rush Limbaugh but listen to him constantly.

    I don’t have time for his black woman bashing and I don’t agree with him so I don’t listen. I understand criticizing things that he finds wrong with some black women, but he seems to make “blanket statements” that all black women are the same “mean, ugly, gold diggers, fat, lazy,…” Forget him.

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  12. Abagond. You are one of my all time favorite bloggers. I read you every day, and read old posts and generally enjoy your blog. Your writing is brilliant. So please take my following criticism in the spirit of someone who is an ardent supporter of you and your blog – one that I pass it along at every opportunity.

    Like most men, you have a blind spot about women a mile long. Case in point: It took you three posts regarding “why white men don’t marry black women” before you finally realized that maybe it was the other way around and that you hadn’t taken black women’s feelings into account at all. You were actually surprised by this.

    It is thoroughly exasperating when even the most educated and enlightened men can spout caveman type idiocy towards women. It’s why every single Republican Senator and Representative is a complete dumbass despite every last one of them being a college educated man.

    Men rarely take into account how they are treated by women is a direct result of how they act towards women. The man you’re writing about, by his own admission, has fathered at least one child and left a woman alone to raise it. Or, to be more apt, he fathered a child, and the woman decided it was better to raise her child alone than to put up with his bullshit one minute longer.

    So you will now understand why I cannot agree with you that the idiot you’re writing about shouldn’t be banned from YouTube. He should be. Trying to sound intelligent is not the same thing as actually being intelligent and making an intelligent point.

    His words aren’t doing anything other than perpetuating a female version if the “black brute stereotype” which you define as white people thinking that of “black men: as savage, violent, amazingly strong and not caring about right and wrong.

    As far as he’s concerned black women are pretty much the same. Black women are the violent and savage aggressors. Black women make black men hate us.We get our men locked up for petty reasons. We are angry and “mean” in general and to black men in particular. And just overall unpleasant for reasons black men simply don’t understand. (Much like white people never understanding racism or thinking anything is racist or why black people make such a fuss about it.)

    Maybe he shouldn’t be banned. As many will point out, he has the right to say what he says. But he should be roundly condemned by men like you, not mildly condoned.

    If sistahs can’t turn to men like you for support then we’ll just have to fight this battle alone. But it would be nice if just once, there was a single intelligent man who didn’t think these assholes have a point.

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  13. You remind me of those guys who think that MRA’s have valid opiniona despite being considered a hate group by the SLPC. You validate these so-called opinions and in this casw fail to acknowledge racialized misogny and racialized sexism when it is right in front of you. If you don’t understand why a bully and hate mongerer ought to be banned you are no better than an enabler of abuse. This is the last time I am reading your blog.

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  14. Sotomayor should not be banned

    Ok…

    While he does go overboard sometimes, he is also trying to be honest and intelligent.

    Not ok. Overboard sometimes? It sounds as if he is preoccupied with this. You seem to be struggling to be objective in this post Abagond.

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  15. “No nation can rise higher than its woman.” — the Honorable Elijah Muhammad

    “Social progress can be measured by the social position of the female sex.” — Karl Marx

    This is something every group of men understand except the american negro male, which is why he continues to struggle and suffer along the bottom of every social and economic demographic in america.

    And this lack of understanding that a man can only rise as high as he holds his women

    is one of the main reasons it has been SO EASY for white people collectively to keep his foot on the black male’s NECK, because only a psychologically DESTROYED male would trash the place he came from — the women who represent his mothers, grandmothers, sisters, and daughters

    while rewarding and praising the same people (racist white man and especailly racist white woman!) who have participated in and benefited from his oppression over the last 500 YEARS. Now, that is a stone cold recipe for SELF-GENOCIDE.

    Black males like Sotomayor are playing right into the hands of the white slave-owners and the white supremacy system that destroyed the African male/African female relationship and black family.

    I could see this coming years ago, the open warfare between black males and females — most of the GUNFIRE coming from black males — and I have watched the anti-blackness among black people explode in the last 10 to 15 years thanks to the white MEDIA using black “entertainers” to degrade and defile and defame and stereotype other black people — especially black females.

    All in the name of “black progress” as more blacks became “black rap music stars” and “black movie stars” and black “comedians” and “black TV stars” who white people paid a LOT of money to degrade and dehumanize other black people.

    All of this has been widely successful because the american negro does NOT know who we are (having had our identity stripped from us 500 years ago) we allow our enemies via the media to DEFINE who we are and what we — black male and black female — should be to each other.

    And we eagerly accepted the UGLY images of ourselves because we seemed to think a handful of blacks making “big money” was more important than respecting ourselves.

    It looks like the white slave-owners and today’s white supremacy system have succeeded beyond their wildest expectation, and to see this SUCCESS all one has to do is to look at the rapid decline of the black family, that heart-breaking despair of black children nationwide, the rising unemployment and homelessness and poverty rates of black people nationwide, the rising rate of incarceration of blacks males and females, the rising suicide and mental illness rate,

    and the rising number of blacks being literally PURGED out of the schools, the universities, the workforce and even inner-city urban areas and their homes is a testimony to the success of the destruction of black people in america

    while we continue to fuss and fight with each other demonstrating before the entire planet the american negro’s GROSS COLLECTIVE ANTI-BLACKNESS, CONFUSION, INSANITY, AND SELF-HATRED for gleefully participating in our own demise.

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  16. @ vindicator

    Why is it the belief that black women alone are f*cked up? In fact I have often heard that black women are the ones carrying the black race. The problem with Sotomayor is most of what he is discussing and what most of his viewers don’t get is that he really is pointing out flaws of a minority of black women and trying to say it is all black women. He is not and has not change what most black women were already doing.

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  17. ^^^^^^ PREACH IT !!!!!

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  18. The easiest thing Black people can do is to STOP listening to Tommy Sotomayor. I don’t pay him one ounce of attention.

    I bet that if he was talking like Mr. Neely Fuller, Dr. Welsing, or other conscious Black scholars, he’d get much less views.

    But I will say that I notice this trend of Black people bashing each other via YouTube. I don’t see Whites, Asians, and Hispanics doing this at the same rate that we do, so maybe we need to consider this anti-blackness we have within ourselves. It’s an ugly trait we need to really get rid of.

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  19. FYI: my last post is referring to TrojanPam’s post.

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  20. Sotomayor is a disrespectful sorry excus3 of a little boy with issues. I can’t take him seriously and anyone who takes his so called advice is a wack job. It is like getting counseling for drug use from a regular drug user. overboard. .. lol

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  21. @ sondis and solesearch

    It is the ATTEMPTED SEXISM of some black males who are ATTEMPTING to imitate white male sexism against white females.

    I say “ATTEMPTED” because practicing sexism requires POWER and black males collectively do not have POWER in a white supremacy system

    They can’t stop black females or anyone else from living, working or playing where they choose to live, work or play

    IN FACT

    most black females are DOING BETTER than black males when it comes to education and economics

    and that is where a lot of this resentment (even hatred) comes from, that the black male has been TAUGHT by example, that a man is supposed to be “above” his woman and the black male has never experienced that due to the white supremacy system

    so due to his FEAR of confronting his true oppressors (racist white man and racist white woman) he takes the EASY way out by trying to oppress (control and degrade and belittle) the ONLY PERSON IN AMERICA that he thinks he can control, oppress, and degrade without suffering the WRATH of white supremacy system

    the black female

    The black male starting with slavery has neve been able to fully function as a man and had to watch the white male rape and abuse and degrade his women and children

    and so to salvage his self-esteem and his sanity he decided they weren’t worth protecting or saving. I give this story in the book, “Black Love Is A Revolutionary Act”

    and so we are still acting out our SLAVE OPPRESSION some 150 years later, this POISONOUS DYNAMIC of SELF-GENOCIDE on both a psychological and economic and sexual level.

    as far as Sotomayor having some “valid” things to say, hell, a white racist can say some “valid” things about black people, and black females could say a hell of a lot of “valid” things about black males

    but that is beside the point. The real issue — to me — is do black people want to survive what is coming? Do black people see the need to overcome our manufactured “personal” differences — because NONE OF US are free from defects

    It is ridiculous to me for ANYONE to justify the VERBAL DUNG that the Tommy Sotomayors spew into the air just because they have met some black females they “didn’t like’

    So what? I’ve met some black males I didn’t like but that would be NO excuse for me to spew filth all over the Internet about ALL black males and the black males who are “kinda” defending Sotomayor, I GUARANTEE you would NOT be defending me

    It is SO absurd to me that any black male in america would waste precious time and energy bashing black females when it is white people who are putting him out of work and putting him into prison, and who control a system that would allow white cops to pump 100 bullets into unarmed black males and females while allowing Zimmerman to walk free after murdering Trayvon Martin with a 9mm

    and any black male who thinks I’m the biggest problem he has…

    DESERVES WHATEVER HE GETS

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  22. Ugh. I just erased my comment. I got nothing. But I know silence can be construed as complicity so: NO just NO. That is all. I’m with Solesearch, ThatDeborahGirl and TrojanPam on this one. Peace OUT.

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  23. Matari, I’m referring to this post by Peanut.

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/06/22/black-women-loyalty-and-black-men/
    In it she says:

    “Therefore, it is disheartening to see some Black men degrading Black women, while the majority of Black men do nothing. Racialized Sexism in the Black community is unacknowledged, yet it’s rampant, as evidenced by the Desiree Washington and Mike Tyson debacle. After being indicted for sexually harassing a Black waitress, Albert Haynesworth, who is a pro-football player, famously stated that the waitress was just jealous of his white girlfriend because he didn’t date Black women.”

    The majority of Black men are not vicious like these characters, but more Black men need to speak against the Black men who mistreat Black women because at the end of the day, Black men and Black women DO need each other.

    I added that loyalty to me was:

    I’d specify that we need black men to also speak out against:

    1. Domestic/ sexual violence against black women
    2. The misogynistic messages expounded by many black male music artist
    3. Sexualized racism black women face in the workplace: We need equal pay for women just as much as we need equal pay for black folks.

    and this comment by her:

    and speaking of loyalty ,

    can I say something, I think for some black men it was never about uplifting the black race so that we could be equal, I think that it was about “becoming white men,” or being able to compete or one-up white men and that’s why you get some of these super afro-centric black men who aren’t even married to black women…this may not be the case with all black men like this, but when it’s a pattern, you really have to wonder if Black women are even really a concern for some Black men in terms of equality

    and my comment:

    I definitely feel this is true. The black community has been about uplifting and protecting black men even at the expense of black women.

    and my comment to Bulanik on the Booty Dancing post explains my thoughts on the connection between racism and sexism:

    Bulanik, I’m really not sure. Black men don’t have to worry about sexism and white women don’t have to deal with racism on the contrary they benefit from the oppression of those other groups. So it probably is hard for these two oppressed groups to give up those positions of power. Although you would think it would make them empathetic to other oppressed groups, I think it is as just as likely to reinforce their own bigotry. Plus it gives them a chance to be allies with the top dogs, white males, to feel accepted by the white male supremacist society on some level.

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  24. @Trojanpam

    *APPLAUSE

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  25. @ ThatDeborahGirl

    Thank you. That was a helpful comment.

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  26. @ Solesearch

    I have long felt AND long advocated that MORE black males need to SPEAK OUT against the Tommy Sotomayors and Don Imuses of the world

    Because DEFENDING and PROTECTING WOMEN is a CORNERSTONE of MANHOOD in every culture on the planet — except the negro culture.

    it is why white males made so many movies showing themselves as HEROES and DEFENDERS of white womanhood (even while many were practicing homosexuality)

    because the white man KNOWS that the way he PUBLICLY treats his women says EVERYTHING about the kind of MAN he is .

    (While he encourages and praises and rewards the negro male for doing the opposite and privately laughs his butt off at the self-destructive and self-disrespecting confused negro male)

    come on now, let’s tell the truth here, that’s exactly what is happening.

    I would LOVE black males to defend my almost nonexistent honor that has been trashed from the FIRST day I stepped off the slave boats but on the real, but I don’t expect overnight miracles.

    What I tell black males is — don’t do it for me. DO IT FOR SELF

    I believe PRACTICING the ways of manhood would do WONDERS for the black male’s MANHOOD — that he was robbed of from the first day he stepped off the slave ship.

    Instead of ROLLING OVER and laying belly up and demonstrating to their women, children and the rest of the world that the male negro really has been completely destroyed.

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  27. Abagond this post is extremely disappointing. Your defense of this completely heinous jerk is shocking. I have nothing more to add that That Deborah Girl and Trojan Pam have not already covered. Thank you ladies.

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  28. TrojanPam, black men have the power to speak up for black women or not to. They have the power to reinforce white male supremacy with their words and actions.

    They are not completely powerless. Your definition of power is very convenient. Everyone has power over what they do, think and say. The only thing we are controlled by is our desires. Too many black men desire to deflect the racism directed at them onto black women, the only group of people in America who has even less institutional power than they do.

    Even with the educational disparity, black men make more money than black women.

    From http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/wkyeng.pdf:

    “Among the major race and ethnicity groups, median weekly earnings for black men working at full-time jobs were $666, or 75.0 percent of the median for white men ($888). The difference was less among women, as black women’s median weekly earnings ($597) were 82.6 percent of those for white women ($723). ”

    I agree with your analysis of why black men do what they do. There are also reasons white men do what they do. And reasons white women do what they do.

    The only difference is that we don’t excuse white men or white women. Why excuse black men? Why continue this one-sided loyalty?

    Black men are no more our allies than white men or white women are. We won’t get anywhere by lifting them up at our expense. Their salvation is not our salvation.

    I don’t really have a problem with sticking by them and loving them anyway. It is the noble thing to do. I have problem understanding why this notion isn’t extended to white people. Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

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  29. @ solesearch

    I promised myself that this time I would not try to hog Abagond’s blog so I’ll keep it short.

    I agree, they are not powerless. Of course they can CHOOSE to defend us or not. And just as obviously, most have chosen NOT TO.

    I also agree that black females have no real power and like you said, make less money and have less power AS women in a male-dominated society. When i spoke of doing better, I meant more black females graduate from college and there are more of us in the workforce.

    I don’t agree that my posts “excuse” black males but in fact, hold them accountable for their behavior. I also feel that black males and females should be our allies because that is the only POSSIBLE alliance we could form.

    That we haven’t done so is due to the 500 years of brainwashing and gross mistreatment under the system of white supremacy — and I don’t hold us accountable for that. I do hold us accountable for learning our history and trying to overcome it because we DO have the power to educate ourselves and change our own behavior.

    I don’t waste any more time trying to get white people to do anything. I think they have demonstrated their unwillingness to “do the noble thing” toward black people. That is not hypocrisy, that to me is LOGICAL.

    I hear where you’re coming from and can respect our differences in opinion. Thank u.

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  30. @ trojan pam

    wow u on a roll Bravo

    I agree with u on all that u said. Some black men will just attack black women for everything, like the george zimmerman trial, they blaming rachel jeantel, when in reality she isn’t the one with george’s fate in her hands its white female jurors. They use a black face for things so that we get upset with that other black person when they are the ones pulling the strings and have the final say. it is why they put a black woman in charge of the schools in chicago and closed all those schools with her in the fore front. Why they didn’t do this before is simple they didn’t want a white person over it and black ppl calling them racist. They abhor the word racist it is like calling the devil out and exposing him it takes away some of their power. anyway tommy is lame and i encourage people to stop watching it especially black women. too many of us say we can’t stand shows like basketball wives & love & hip hop because it shows negative stereotypes about black women yet black women still watch it. I notice a lot of black men complain and say black women joined the feminist movement and messed the black community up. Well first off i don’t know anybody in my family that joined the feminist movement they were too busy raising a big family for all that. Second some of the ones that did, did so because the black movement wasn’t looking out as much for black women. Then when some of them joined the feminist movement they found they had to deal with racism, then they made the black feminist movement. Maybe if they were satisfied and felt protected they wouldn’t have left. They had to deal with sexism from the black movement and racism from the feminist movement. Still today we are in limbo and need to have our own organization for us black women, yet at the same time we don’t just abandon the black community either.

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  31. TrojanPam,

    I don’t waste any more time trying to get white people to do anything. I think they have demonstrated their unwillingness to “do the noble thing” toward black people. That is not hypocrisy, that to me is LOGICAL.

    I agree. The hypocrisy I spoke of was in regards to not holding our loyalty to black men to the same standard. Have they demonstrated a willingness to do the noble thing towards black women? Why try to enlighten them and not white people?

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  32. If no nation rises higher then their women then what sense does it make for some black men to bash black women? simple, it doesn’t, everybody knows this but some of them.If u stay putting black women down don’t think you will get ahead, then blame black women for your failure. Yes black women have issues but so do black men, and imo nobody wins if we try to see who is worse than who. What do u gain by saying these men/ women are no good and they do xyz. U just made yourself mad and didn’t fix a dang thing. I think a lot are cowards, they’ve been defeated and think if u can’t beat em join em. This is why we have these peter pans going around blaming black women for everything, because they don’t feel like men. They start mimicking their oppressor because they see how successful they are. The native americans did it now black men are doing it. But what they don’t realize is that they are mimicking the oppressor they will probably meet their end the same as the oppressors. It is a double standard with the way some black men act toward black women and other races of women. Black woman gets divorced and gets some child support and alimony everybody calling her gold digger. white woman divorces black man, takes half his money and gets child support that money goes back into white hands thus furthering white supremacy *crickets*. Tim duncan is going to get a divorce and his wife cheated on him, yet i don’t hear people saying oh she is a ho and gold digger. Yall have been trained to put each other on blast for the little scraps that somebody else gets, but u are silent when a white person walks away with the steak.

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  33. @ Trojan Pam

    You always tell the truth of the matter, and I absolutely LOVE that.
    It’s like what you’ve said on The COWS about the theory of non-participation. Black people have to STOP criticizing and blaming each other for our pain and START doing constructive things to produce change.

    I highly doubt that Tommy Sotomayor’s videos are going to help Black men get better employment, lower their imprisonment rate, or improve their educational prospects. In my book, his work is NOT constructive and needs to be avoided because those – and many other problems – hinder Black males and females from having better relationships with each other.

    Our people really embody the “Crabs in a barrel” mentality. Rather try to counter our problems and the people who mistreat us directly, we always seem to turn against each other. And that needs to stop.

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  34. @ Mstoogood4yall

    That is a trick white supremacists have successfully used on the american negro from day one. Pitting field against house slave. Black males against black females. And we still haven’t seen the trick they used, I think, because we don’t want to see it because once we stop blaming each other, we’d have to confront our real enemies and do something about it.

    and that SCARES US TO DEATH, especially the black male because he knows from experience that racist white man and racist white woman will put a hurting on a black male.

    Daniel Moynihan, a white Senator in the 60s (I think) came out with a “report” that said the black female ’emasculated’ the black male — putting ALL the blame on the black female for the black male’s “condition” during segregation (????)

    and many black males have been riding that TRAIN TO NOWHERE ever since. Holding black females accountable for what white people are doing to them (???) and saying we “conspired” with white females against them in the racist white woman’s liberation movement. I never met a single black female who called herself a “feminist,” — like you said, most were too busy trying to hold down the home front, working a job, cooking, cleaning, AND raising the children.

    YET these same “revolutionary” black males who were accusing black females of everything under the sun, never called out the the white female for being a racist

    because they were too busy sexing and marrying her to accuse her of anything and I see some are still doing that 30 years later and all I can think is — What kind of utter madness is that?

    Over the years, I have heard some absolutely insane things come of black males’ mouths, like, “The only free people in america are the white man and the black woman” and “the white female is just as oppressed as black people”

    and that used to TICK ME OFF to no end, black males showing MORE empathy for white females than for the females who RAISED and LOVED and EDUCATED THEM

    And I would always challenge that MADNESS because the last time I looked i was still a n**ger and was still being mistreated, stereotyped and sexually and economically exploited and I D sure wasn’t “FREER” than the white female (!)

    Then I began to understand WHY so many black males had bought into the LIE:

    to make themselves feel better about being oppressed and to hide from their OWN FEAR of challenging their white oppression

    Just blame ME — a black female.

    Black males like Sotomayor and his “supporters” are like watching a black male in a sinking boat who is just minutes away from drowning, and his only response is trying to hold the head of the black female under the water to make sure she drowns first instead of trying to plug the holes in his own boat then pulling her into the boat to help him plug up the holes

    That to me is the best description of the MENTAL ILLNESS that plagues many black males in america today.

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  35. @ Mstoogood4yall

    You’re right!
    I also see a growing number of Black men who say that White women are their closest allies, but then they’ll say Black feminism is destroying the Black family.

    And do you ever notice how Black people have more lip for other Blacks but not for Whites? I’m guilty of this myself, but I feel like this a really dangerous habit of ours.

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  36. @ Abagond

    I thought SrgtWilliePete had two Black parents. I recall him saying on many videos that his mom was dark-skinned.

    But even he acknowledged that many White females that he dated/had sex with didn’t respect him since he was black; both he and the White females knew this. Perhaps his played a role in his negative relationships with Black women. If you’re disrespected by other people, you are prone to being the same way towards those who you see as weaker than yourself.

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  37. @ Ms J

    who said, “I highly doubt that Tommy Sotomayor’s videos are going to help Black men get better employment, lower their imprisonment rate, or improve their educational prospects.”

    Now, ain’t that the TRUTH?!??

    The not so funny part is the WHITE FEMALE is rising the FASTEST up the corporate ladder while the black male is falling off the FASTEST and from what I can see, the white female ain’t holding out a helping hand to him…

    It is utter insanity that bashing black females would be given any amount of time or energy or credibility from black males who are in a sinking ship (and so are we with them by default)

    the irony is the more black males divide themselves from black females and bash us, telling themselves the LIE that we are the problem, the worst things seem to be getting for them.

    The overall condition of black males where I live (in the Chicago area) is heartbreaking when it comes to mental illness, homelessness, suicide, homicide, criminality, homosexuality, fatherlessness, pants hanging off the azz-itis, unemployment OFF THE CHAIN, incarceration and police brutality OFF THE CHAIN, locking black males up for any and everything, expelling them from schools for any and everything,

    and more and more and more black males (in my city) are standing on the corner and outside liquor stores at EIGHT IN THE MORNING drinking out of brown paper bags or stopping you on the street either asking for a handout OR trying to sell me a “loose square” (a single cigarette)

    while black females are standing at the bus stop going to work at mostly low-paying jobs

    It is really bad here in Chicago for black people, so bad that the imagery of the past — before so-called integration and during segregation — are now haunting the streets of Chicago with a distinct flavor and it’s called

    DESPAIR

    It’s so thick among the 30 PERCENT (!) of black males that are UNEMPLOYED in my city that you can CUT IT WITH A KNIFE.

    That’s why I’m AMAZED that ANY black male would spend any amount of time bashing black females. OR bashing the young black female on the witness stand in the Trayvon Martin

    INSTEAD of blaming the white prosecutor who allowed a jury with NO black people on it and who obviously DID NOT prep Rachel Jeantel BEFORE she testified and if Zimmerman walks, some of us will be blaming HER for no other reason than she’s a “mean and evil” dark-skinned black female.

    sad, sick, and self-genocidal behavior, that’s the only way I can describe it.

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  38. @ Ms J

    Like someone once said, “Hurt people hurt people.”

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  39. Now, I’m not a misogynist, I just don’t love these hoes. My thing with black women is “Find ’em, Friend ’em, Fuck ’em, Flee.” That is the right thing.

    Now having said that, Mr Jerome Brown aka Mr. Sotomayor is not the right thing.His reasoning is filled with loaded questions, faulty assumptions, cherry picking, and other such fallacious reasoning. He also code-shifts: when he is with a white audience , like his interview with HappyCabbie, where he he tries to be a serious black man, and every other time, when he becomes silly for sake of being silly. Also. much of his rationale is taken from the more intelligent and lucid Thugtician, who did not waste time with long-ass videos

    http://satanforce.wordpress.com/2012/05/28/the-thugtician-40-pack/

    But the sad thing is, his most important theme is ignored because he is so acerbic – that the unbridled veneration of black mothers has caused them to be excused from actions that would lead to most other races of women to be villified and even imprisoned, namely their verbal and psychological abuse.

    I don’t like weaves.Using a Chinese/Indian/wilderbeest pubic hair to decorate you head instead of your own is just plain retarded. But aside from one video, hys talks on that do nothing but cause division between black women and men. His account of black feminism is just plain ahistorical, and his “worship” of white women is just a thinly veiled attempt to rile up black women, or to guilt them into behaving better.

    He has no end game – what is the world that he dreams of? The answer may surprise you.

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  40. This is a very interesting thread. TrojanPam and Solesearch in particular, your back and fourth is enlightening. I’m a white man, but your thoughts on the actions of men in general ring true to me – I especially appreciate your comment that
    “DEFENDING and PROTECTING WOMEN is a CORNERSTONE of MANHOOD in every culture on the planet ” I happen to agree with you – or that it should be.

    In my own community however, I am seeing a decline of that mind set, and white men, rather than becoming combative and aggressive regarding their women, are tending towards bitchiness and whining. White women are seen as feminizing the white male culture – starting with the over whelming number of young white females in the elementary school systems. There’s no way a recently graduated 22 year old female is ready to cope with a dozen or more 12 year old boys in the 6th grade. I think this accounts for the huge upswing in medicated little boys – they don’t have a male figure in the class room to quell their little boy BS.

    I know that’s off topic, but I just wanted to join the discussion a bit.

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  41. @ all black males

    If I may add one more thing (and please forgive me for posting so much but some of Abagond’s topics really hit HOME with me)

    Please, please consider what I’m about to say;

    Black females are the MOTHERS of the next black generation and if they are constantly and relentlessly DEGRADED they cannot properly raise OR civilize their black children.

    For a woman to be ABLE to CIVILIZE her children, she must be treated in a CIVIL MANNER. So, the way that black male REFER to black females is SUPER IMPORTANT in how the black female SEES herself and HOW civilized she behaves and what kind of MOTHER she will become.

    That’s why the Honorable Elijah Muhammad (and Muhammed Ali) spoke about this so often. Because he was a black man who came out of the most brutal racist era and he knew what the dangers were of degrading your OWN women.

    There is NO WAY black people can civilize our black girls who will one day become black WOMEN when they see black males calling them foul names and/or degrading them

    and most of the black females today under the age of 40 have grown up hearing the LANGUAGE of rappers about black females and have SEEN the imagery of so many famous black males choosing anything but a black or black-looking female

    (and I don’t mention white people in this because they have ALWAYS degraded us AND if black people DEFENDED each other, I personally could care LESS what white people said)

    One last thing to consider:

    These degraded black MOTHERS are raising the NEXT GENERATION OF BLACK BOYS and if YOU teach them to HATE black males because they believe you are DEGRADING them instead of protecting and DEFENDING them

    these DEGRADED black females may ONE DAY take out their HURT FEELINGS on their BLACK SONS

    (Unfortunately, I have SEEN this happen)

    Hurt people hurt people.

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  42. @ ms j

    Yeah i noticed it, yes some believe white women are their allies rofl. Yet these will be the same hypocrites that will say black women shouldn’t have joined white women’s feminist movement. If they tell us that some of us messed up joining them then what sense does it make for them to say they wanna join them? smh. If when george gets off or gets a light sentence they will probably blame rachel jeantel and not the white female jury.
    I’ve also noticed as u said that we will talk about other blacks before we talk about whites. People were talking all that noise about usher ex wife, but were silent about terrence howard’s racist ex wife. We’ve been conditioned not to talk about whites, especially white women, it was a rule during jim crow that blacks couldn’t talk about whites.

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  43. these DEGRADED black females may ONE DAY take out their HURT FEELINGS on their BLACK SONS

    Sadly, Sotomayor’s point is that they already are. Its a shame that he obscures this behind all his foolishness.

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  44. @ trojan pam

    Yep some do take their anger out on their sons especially if they look like the childs father that hurt them. Either that or they try to mold their son into what they want in a man and their son becomes a sonsband.

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  45. @ Solesearch, etc

    At the risk of putting my foot further in my mouth:

    1. I did not think I was defending him. I listed his opinions as I understand them and then said they were driven by internalized racism and based on confirmation bias.

    2. I did sucker myself into answering the question of whether he should be banned since that was in my opening paragraph. In truth, I would be against the banning of even Stormfront. You do not fight ideas by silencing them.

    In his case, banning him would be the worst thing you could do: it would only make it seem like he is right, that black women could not bear to hear it. It would strengthen his ideas and a new Sotomayor would arise to take his place. You do not fight ideas by shooting the messenger.

    He should also not be banned because he is intelligent and honest at the same time. That is a rare thing, even if half of what he says is messed up.

    3. There is a difference between criticism and bashing, between anger and hatred. I could be wrong, but Sotomayor strikes me as someone who is criticizing black women, not bashing them. Honest criticism is hard to beat, even if it is not always right.

    4. I agree with Satanforce that his tactics are not the best. Worse, I do not think black women are the main issue – white racism and the internalized racism it leads to is the deeper issue.

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  46. Or he could be drawing a paycheck by for what he does…

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  47. @ Mstoogood4yall

    Most black people grew up with the IMAGE of a WHITE JESUS – which ALSO means GOD MUST BE WHITE and by default more people, especially the white male become GOD-LIKE

    which is why they FORCED Christianity down the throats of African slaves AFTER they took away our TRUE RELIGION — and why non-white people all over the planet were attacked by white “missionaries” holding the BIble in one hand and a stick in the other

    How can you be a white racist slave trader or owner and a Christian at the same time? We NEVER asked that most important question

    White people represent GOD to the former slaves so for some of us criticizing whites is NOT only dangerous it goes against our “slave religion”

    Add to that the RELENTLESS PROGRAMMING in the white media, news and entertainment programming black people to be MORE empathetic toward whites saving and rescuing and assisting white females, white little girls, and white humanity in general

    like Denzel and Morgan Freeman movies and Halle Berry’s movie

    “The Call”) now saying that BLACK WOMEN are supposed to be MAN-LIKE, risking our lives to save the white damsel in distress ???

    It’s no wonder we don’t criticize white people.

    They are GOD-LIKE in our confused black eyes.

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  48. I am not sure there is anything redemptive about a “gender war” narrative coming from Black men or women no matter how “logical” they may be in presenting their ideas.

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  49. @ satanforce

    Only addressing your last response to me

    If some black mothers are already doing this (and maybe his was one of them) WHY are they doing this?

    That’s the real issue. But to blame a DEGRADED PERSON for acting in a DEGRADED MANNER while you are STILL DEGRADING doesn’t make them the problem, it makes the people who STARTED the degradation

    the real problem

    and my advice to ALL the Sotomayors out there is this:

    The next time there’s a Jena Six (where a BLACK FEMALE started a petition and the movement to bring justice to SIX BLACK BOYS being railroaded by white males and females into prison for a simple schoolyard fight)

    ask the white and Asian and Hispanic females to support you and take that long 11 hour bus ride to Jena, Lousiana

    The next time you get into trouble DO NOT CALL your black mother, grandmother, auntie, sister, or friend to BAIL YOU OUT

    the next time you lose your JOB, DO NOT CALL your black mother, grandmother, auntie, sister, or friend to HELP YOU OUT or give you a place to stay or feed oyou

    the next time you are sitting up in a JAIL CELL, DO NOT CALL your black mother, grandmother, auntie, sister, or friend to take the six-hour bus ride to PRISON or to put any MONEY on your “book”

    the next time you need a college education or school supplies DO NOT CALL your black mother, grandmother, auntie, sister, or friend to do ONE D thing for you

    the next time you open a business DO NOT CALL your black mother, grandmother, auntie, sister, or friend or black females in general to support you or your business

    Instead

    ask the Hispanic, white, and Asian female to bail you out, to march for you, to protest on your behalf, to visit you in prison and put money on your books, to raise you, educate you, support you, or do any of the MILLION THINGS

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  50. Or he could be drawing a paycheck by for what he does…

    Nooooo, you trying to take money from his pocket why you trying to get rid of Coca -Co… I mean his sponsors? Why you thumbs downing his videos and hating on him?

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  51. @Abagond

    This: “…they were driven by internalized racism and based on confirmation bias.” In my opinion negates his ability to be considered this: “…intelligent and honest at the same time.” Hate speech does not make room for intelligence and honesty to exist in it’s presence.

    Also… “it would only make it seem like he is right, that black women could not bear to hear it.” So am understanding you to say that you believe that his hate speech towards Black women is something that we should learn to bear because his rights to his hate speech is more important that our right not be subjected to it?

    “Worse, I do not think black women are the main issue – white racism and the internalized racism it leads to is the deeper issue.” If that were true I would think that it would be more evident.

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  52. Honestly I hate Tommy Selloutayor! I hate the way he puts down Black women and lumps Black women into a mole that we are all ghetto, ratchet, weave looking bitches. We constantly refers to Black women as hoes and bitches in his videos. I am sick of Black men like him putting Black women down on Youtube, online and in public.

    I am nothing like that at all and I am a Black woman.

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  53. @ Satanforce

    ” long-ass videos”

    LOL. I was surprised at his lack of editing.

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  54. (continued — accidentally hit the ENTER key)

    that black females do for black males.

    because I didn’t see ANY Hispanic females on that BUS to Jena, LA

    I didn’t see any Asian females marching up and down to protest the killing of black male youth

    and have NEVER, EVER seen a white female working two or three jobs to put their black sons through college

    But I have seen black MOTHERS make HUGE sacrifices for their male and female children

    and I have seen black FEMALES standing up and STARTING ORGANIZATIONS to defend and protect black boys even while black girls are seldom given the same in return by black males

    It is DISGUSTING, DISTASTEFUL, DISHONORABLE, and frankly, UNGRATEFUL for black males FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER to bash black females as a group when the DEBT OWED is so HUGE

    and I suspect, that, too, is part of the reason for so much black female bashing by some (not all) black males

    The secret SHAME at needing so much AND giving back SO LITTLE

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  55. @ phoebeprunelle

    who said, “I am not sure there is anything redemptive about a “gender war” narrative coming from Black men or women no matter how “logical” they may be in presenting their ideas.”

    You may very well be correct. I admit I am venting because this topic brings out a lot of resentment in me.

    So, rather than risk doing any more “damage” to the discussion (not being sarcastic)

    I will step back and observe (since I have already said what I wanted to say and take full responsibility for “putting it out there”)

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  56. @ trojanpam

    Yes that is exactly what i’ve been saying don’t support these types of men, if they think non black women are that much better then see ya. Get them to do everything for you support you, march for u, bail u out, and sign petitions. Good luck with that because most of them want to act colorblind and try to say its everything but racism. yes the white jesus mess is a shame, so is the white adam and eve smh. I will not teach my kids that whitewashed bs, i do believe in a higher power though. And the saving white girls thing gets black people nowhere except dead or mocked. Just look how they did charles ramsey, mocked him and put his past criminal record out there smh. i wouldn’t help any of them fk it.

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  57. @ phoebeprunelle

    Meant to add, I agree that he is probably being financially rewarded for his work which should tell us something if that is true.

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  58. @Abagond

    Sotomayor should not be banned. While he does go overboard sometimes, he is also trying to be honest and intelligent””

    He SHOULD BE banned from Youtube for putting down his own race of women and uplifting White women. He is nothing but a ugly, bitter self hating tool that is being used by White supremacy. He is a disgrace to Black men all over the world.

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  59. @ Trojan Pam

    Yeah, when have Latina, Asian, and White women ever stood for the well-being of Black men and women in droves and made a whole movement to do such?

    I’d like to hear from anyone who has the answer to that question.

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  60. @ TrulyPC

    1. For Sotomayor, black women are the main issue. I disagree with that. Even the gender war is a side effect of internalized racism. It can never be “won” at the level it is fought at.

    2. What he does is not hate speech, not most of what I have seen. It is called criticism. If his main aim was just to bash black women, then, yes, he would be a waste of everyone’s time and it would be better if he just STFU.

    One of his best videos that I have seen was the one with Kelly Rowland at some Essence magazine event.

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o63Xn2pY7_0)

    Some of what he said was cruel and pointless, like what he said about the interviewer. But his main points about Rowland hit the nail on the head. I was thinking each one in the back of my mind, but he gave voice each one and whacked it on the head.

    At first I thought it was mean for him to pick on Rowland, but he went there and he was right. While I would never dream of talking like that about a female relative, and I doubt he would either, Rowland is a public figure, she helps to shape the ideas that black girls, particularly dark-skinned ones, have about themselves. So he was right to call her out on YouTube.

    On the other hand, his video on Rachel Jeantel that Satanforce posted yesterday, I thought that was wrong. She was being DEHUMANIZED, she needed defending, not further trashing.

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tnFCQGfrL8&feature=youtu.be)

    So my point is that he is not all bad or all good. He is a decidedly flawed mix.

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  61. i’m torn with whether he should be banned or not. on one hand it is freedom of speech and if they take him off then dangitt they need to ban the white racists who have more views as well. They try to silence black people especially the ones who have something good to say,i’ve seen positive black youtube accounts false flagged and taken down while the crazy ones still have their accounts. i don’t think tommy will be banned anytime soon at least not by the hands of black women, because we don’t run a dam thing. If he pises off whites or gays then he will be banned asap, but while its just black women people don’t care and he’s not going anywhere.

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  62. That’s the real issue. But to blame a DEGRADED PERSON for acting in a DEGRADED MANNER while you are STILL DEGRADING doesn’t make them the problem, it makes the people who STARTED the degradation

    No it merely shifts blame and creates a vicious cycle – one that can only be solved through introspection.

    Examples I have seen Black man is going to go steady to one of his babymothers. The other babymother, in last ditch effort, gets pregnant by him so that he will stay. He doesn’t she takes out her resentment on son who look like his daddy, then son will go on to beat women who look just like his momma.

    The son could realize the other women are not like his mom but chooses to harden his heart – just like his momma.

    Examples I have seenI am underachiever with a shit job. So instead of working hard and ignoring the haters, I game high achieving black women into having sex with me, who I then punish with vigorous anal sex. While they lay in bed curled up, sobbing softly into their pillows (I am too ashamed to show them where I live), I smirk to myself, feeling powerful, as I have taught another black bitch a ‘lesson’. I could, of course man up, and stop wasting time doing stuff like spending all day posting comments on blogs, but I have hardened my heart, and refuse to face my own internal problems.

    That is the real problem.

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  63. @ Ms J

    to respond to your direct post to me

    I doubt you’ll get a response because I suspect most of us already know the answer. My main point is NOT to change the minds of Sotomayors but to EXPOSE it

    Even the most virulent white racist can tell partial truths about black people but the important thing is the overall message AND intent

    for example, he could say “black males overall commit a lot of crimes”

    most black males would not sit there and nod their heads and say, “You know, he’s right” —

    they would discard his entire message as “racist” even though some of what he said might be true about some of them. that’s why I doubt black males would be so “objective” if a black female “Sotomayor” posted nasty things about black males.

    They wouldn’t even THINK of picking out the good parts and discarding the rest, they would trash her entire message and would throw her into the pit as a mean, angry, black male hating black female

    And this is what ATTEMPTED SEXISM and BLACK MISOGYNY looks like

    a HUGE DOUBLE STANDARD laced with a big dose of DENIAL

    Black males will vigorously object to being stereotyped by anyone but seem to have no problem ignoring it when it happens to us (black females)

    that is very unfortunate and now i will take a break from this

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  64. @All
    Tommy Selloutayor should be banned!!!!!!!!!! He is putting down and degrading Black women and it isn’t right. If you disagree, oh well, that is your opinion but he should be banned.

    He is just a tool being used by White supremacy degrading Black women and promoting misogyny, sexism and uplifting of White women in his videos. I am not saying Black women are perfect but he truth is, White women can’t do anything for Black men but suck their ****s.

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  65. @ Trojan Pam

    “for example, he could say “black males overall commit a lot of crimes”

    most black males would not sit there and nod their heads and say, “You know, he’s right” —

    they would discard his entire message as “racist” even though some of what he said might be true about some of them. that’s why I doubt black males would be so “objective” if a black female “Sotomayor” posted nasty things about black males.

    They wouldn’t even THINK of picking out the good parts and discarding the rest, they would trash her entire message and would throw her into the pit as a mean, angry, black male hating black female”

    Good point…

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  66. On the other hand, his video on Rachel Jeantel that Satanforce posted yesterday, I thought that was wrong. She was being DEHUMANIZED, she needed defending, not trashing.

    It was actually part of a series that had an endgame. I only knew this because I went directly to the last video. The fool drownshis important points in a sea of trivia and meanness.

    Of course, he has code switched, and is addressing a social issue. How the hell you going from clowning the she-gorilla in video 1, and then being a social advocate in video 5? That’s just lame.

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  67. satanforce = clinical psychopath.

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  68. Trojan Pam is right: I would probably not have so much patience with or see any merit in a Tomasina Sotomayor. I would still be against banning her, though.

    So, I changed the last paragraph from this:

    Sotomayor should not be banned. While he does go overboard sometimes, he is also trying to be honest and intelligent”

    to this:

    Sotomayor should not be banned. If black women got him banned, it would make it seem like he was telling uncomfortable truths. Which is why I do not ban racists from my blog.”

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  69. @ abagond

    Appreciate the honesty.

    While I would like to see his channel wiped off the face of the map, that would open up a new can of worms — censorship — so I have to agree that he should not be banned. I wouldn’t worry too much about stopping him, he is his OWN worst enemy and the more he trashes us THE WORST HE WILL FEEL ABOUT HIMSELF because he came from a (probably) dark-skinned female

    However, I would love to see black males challenge the stuffing out of him — what a boost that would give to healing the black male/female relationship!)

    but unfortunately, we don’t see ourselves as “belonging” to each other (like other more intact cultures do) because the BOND was broken during 400 years of chattel slavery

    that’s why black people who descended from SLAVES ARE THE ONLY “PEOPLE” who put so much energy into PUBLICLY DISSING our own women and girls.

    You don’t see AFRICAN MEN doing it. You don’t see HISPANIC MEN doing it. You don’t see ASIAN MEN doing it. And while you might see an occasional white male DOING IT, he spends MORE TIME dissing non-white people and makes sure that they get a larger portion of his ridicule

    and being GROOMED by white male culture is one reason the american negro male tries to IMITATE the contempt white males have for white females

    and thatt’s why we all largely remain silent when other black people are harmed and why our children are at risk and why we don’t go out en masse and look for missing black children and why we don’t seem to care about having a black business or economic base and why black males don’t defend black females on ANY level

    all of this is SYMPTOMATIC of the psychological damage done to the negro slave and unfortunately, we are still suffering from the Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome

    which I believe will never be cured as long as some of us turn a BLIND EYE and DEAF EAR to the harm being done to other black people — including black females — the MOTHERS.

    Any culture that does not defend or protect the MOTHERS is a people who are DOOMED to extinction. It least before integration and assimilation took rot in black people’s minds, all someone had to do to get into a fight with a black male was say:

    “You momma!”

    and the fight was ON. Now, not only do they not fight, they join in on-line to tear black mothers down.

    It’s unfortunate how fall we have fallen as a once normal, once proud African people…

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  70. The reason i don’t like tommy is because of how he just goes after black women and the language he uses. i can’t stand listening to someone who curses a lot. And in that vid where he was talking about kelly rowland. i can’t stand how he kept saying black b!@ch. If a black woman were to say ni@@s aint sheit black men would attack her.now u can use the excuse that oh if u say that word and that doesn’t describe u then don’t get offended, but u know doggone well u would be offended if a black woman said that. Also its crazy how when he talks about dark skinned black women he says oh u hate yourselves because you do this to ur hair and say u are brown etc. Well what about men like sammy sosa? doesn’t he have self hate and hate his blackness. I just don’t like the hypocrisy. BUt no for men like him some black men defend it and say oh maybe it was his uprbringing and his parents messed him up. well if u are going to defend him why not defend the black women who do some of the same self hating habits? Imo a lot of black women who wear weave that doesn’t look like their hair or feel they HAVE to change their hair do so because of what their mothers told them and did to their hair. You can’t say black is beautiful and black and proud when u do those things to ur child’s hair and tell them their hair is nappy and needs to be straightened to look better. SO imo u shouldn’t attack someone just for showing and/or saying what their insecurities are because we all struggle with insecurities in this white dominated society. WE all have some self doubt and self hate just to different degress, so u attack someone because their issues are more transparent? Unless that person was raised in a perfect household where they were told they are beautiful and their natural selves are beautiful and they decided on their own to change not out of being told to but their own accord then u can say what u want. BUt we don’t live in a perfect world where black youth are told they are valuable,beautiful, and should stay the same. There are schools that try to ban natural hair, to get black kids to conform. All i’m saying is don’t attack someone because of what they look like as we don’t know what their life is like or what their upbringing was. And if u still believe in white jesus and whitewashed history yet attack someone because their whitewashing is more visible u are a hypocrite.

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  71. @Abagond

    “Some of what he said was cruel and pointless, like what he said about the interviewer.”

    I think that ALL of what he says is cruel, hateful and pointless. That disturbed person should be removed from YouTube because he is a hate-filled misogynist, sexist and racist. I could not even get through that video and to know that you and other Black men have been able to sit through this video and others like it and still continue to see him as having something worthwhile to contribute is quite frankly disturbing. That very fact is why it is truly impossible for Black women to relax and feel that every Black men can be an ally in this horrendous struggle of living in this white supremacist world. To have any Black person that willingly engages in white supremacist tactics be lauded and then have people excuse or defend his right to do it is absolutely insane and extremely hypocritical. The same would not be accepted from a white white supremacist.

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  72. In his case, banning him would be the worst thing you could do: it would only make it seem like he is right, that black women could not bear to hear it.

    No. It would make it seem like black women are actually human beings who shouldn’t be insulted merely because they’re black women.

    I challenge you to find anyone on youtube dogging white women like this. “Shit White Girls say to Black Girls does not count.”

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  73. Sotomayor is a contemptible, vulgar little man who obviously has no qualms about inflicting more damage to the African American collective psyche than has already been done. Is he under the impression he’s actually helping anybody posting his palpably hate filled psychotic projections against black women on YT? I’m mean here’s a man who’s the perfect embodiment of all he accuses other’s of being, specifically dark skinned black women, in so far as his willingness to show his own self hating, DARK, BLACK, tight behind for the sake of public consumption in an Olympian worthy effort to satiate his craven lust for attention. He’s a pathetic embarrassment, to my mind, rivaling, wrestling down, and then handily winning the gold champion medal against the sad caricature of a watermelon eating coon.

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  74. @ Abagond

    I watched all of the last video you posted on Kelly Rowland to gain some insight into many of the comments posted here.

    Not being familiar with Tommy Sotomayor I can easily pick up that this man is not very intelligent. In fact he really is extremely ignorant and dumb. Just because he is able to express himself or “rant” does not empower him with Zen like qualities!

    Everything he expressed about Kelly Rowland in the video could equally have been said about “light skinned” Black women. So why specifically single out “dark skinned” Black women?

    This is what I mean by unintelligent and ignorant. He is simply obscuring his own prejudice for “light skinned” Black women or white women. Hiding his deep seated hatred or contempt for “dark skinned” / Black women.

    Its hard not to consider a possible ulterior financial motive for doing it publicly in this manner.

    Nothing wrong with having prejudices or preferences – we all have them. The problem comes when we try to rationalize or make them appear logical. By definition they are not! They cannot be…!

    But this is what some of us attempt to do when confronted with accusations of racism or, in this case, sexism.

    This is why as you probably, carefully on reflection, decided to change that paragraph as you did. Its easy to see the “double standard” that could be leveled at the way this post has been written. If this had been a Black woman expressing similar prejudices at “dark skinned” Black men I doubt if she would have been seen as “honest and intelligent” or simply expressing “uncomfortable truths”.

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  75. In other words it would turn him into a martyr and he could then use his banned state to validate his points?

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  76. I’m back 🙂

    Not only do the Tommy Sotomayors encourage the degradation of black females (to feel better about themselves the SAME WAY whites want to feel superior to black people)

    They are ALSO automatically ENCOURAGING the destruction of BLACK MALES

    which is one reason so many black males KILL EACH OTHER due to an extreme case of INTERNALIZED SELF-HATRED which many are SPEWING onto black females because there is SO MUCH it cannot be CONTAINED within themselves

    and if you doubt this is true, look at the BLACK MALE ON BLACK MALE HOMICIDE RATE. Black males are killing other black males because “he looked at me” and “he stepped on my shoe”

    and the ONLY permissible way to feed that starving BLACK MALE EGO is to find someone else to DOG OUT

    But what the Tommy Sotomayors of the world fail to realize is

    IF the (black) MOTHER of a nation is a worthless W*HORE (and tramp and b*tch and “pure evil”)

    then the PRODUCT OF HER BLACK WOMBS — her MALE and female are worthless, too.

    so while some (not all) black males are participating in the degradation of black females — the BLACK MOTHERS — they are sealing their OWN FATE and guaranteeing their OWN LOW SELF-ESTEEM

    The BEST and QUICKEST way for black males to RISE OFF THEIR KNEES is to STOP trying to force black females down on ours.

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  77. Darn! I wanted to do a post on him. 🙂

    After listening to him once, I couldn’t take it anymore. To add insult to injury is that he has a large audience for a Youtube commentator, and a giant following on Twitter, some of whom are black women as well. WTH??

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  78. correction: “…then the PRODUCT OF HER BLACK WOMBS — her MALE and female children will be worthless, too.”

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  79. This whole weave vs natural hair and accepting their “natural” beauty debacle is some serious double standard bs. Non-black women color their hair, use “extensions,” which is another word for weaves, and wigs all the time, Katy Perry anyone, female country music stars anyone? What about plastic surgeries?? The most numerous customers of plastic surgeons are white women. They get fake boobs, fake noses, fake lips, and other fake body parts. Where are the videos that “criticize” them for not accepting their supposed natural beauty? It’s not just in the United States, South Korea, Japan, and China are right behind the United States in terms of numbers of plastic surgeries. You would be alarmed by the amount of Asians who get blepharoplasty, which is a surgery that changes a single eyelid appearance into double eyelids which is more “western” looking. Although there is quite bit of controversy about this surgery in the Asian community, I don’t see any Asian men going on YouTube vilifying women who go through this surgery and try to pass it off as “criticism.” We live in a world where a sexually attractive woman is placed on a pedestal, and the pressure of what society NOW considers to be sexually attractive falls on ALL women, and some women fall prey to meets its narrow definition, including white women. But yet we expect black women not to be affected by it? Yeah that makes sense…

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  80. @TrojanPam

    I really don’t know what else to say other than you are a very intelligent sister. I really mean that, you talk so much sense, the knowledge you teach on every post you write should seem so obvious and clear as day but we as Blacks, most of the time, don’t always seem to understand the subtle methods of White supremacy. You have really got me thinking about the relationships between Black men and Black women more and more. You are very eloquent and truthful. I wish I could meet you in real life. Sorry if that sounds corny…lol.

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  81. As Black people, we have a horrible habit of thinking that degrading other Blacks will not harm us personally.
    If I spend all my time and energy dogging Black men, and Black males do vice versa, what does it say about me? I’m the product of both a Black male and female.

    And when you think of it, it makes sense why Whites stay loyal to each other despite all their conflicts surrounding gender, class, sexuality, and ethnicity. No matter what, they understand that their fate is linked together.
    For instance, I notice that a segment of the white population online will talk about the Zionist Jews causing them problems, but these same whites NEVER speak out about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    In a day and age where anti-blackness is rising, we can’t afford to co-sign the degradation of each other. Because I think the “Colorblind” gloves are going to come off for real. But our behavior is still understandable. We grow up in a culture where terror against Black people was – and arguably still is – praised as “the American way”.

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  82. This is all just really, really insane to me as it seems like this whole thing boils down to a Black woman’s skin tone–something that her Black father (Y chromosome) marked her with in the first place.

    No matter what skin tone you carry as a Black person–guess what? It is NATURAL…!

    What the h**l????

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  83. abagond,

    I really don’t know what to say. You are obviously blinded by your own sexism.

    Honest criticism?

    See, I don’t like black women typically as a whole because they are a rude group, they’re a mean group, they’re a disgusting group and their main job is to destroy black men.

    The majority of black women are pure evil.

    That’s honest criticism? If this was said about black men would you characterize it as honest criticism? It is stereotyping. It is misogynistic and racist

    Intelligent? I detect no intelligence from anything you’ve posted about him.

    Instead of summarizing his opinions as you understand them, why not use his own words? Because then you couldn’t downplay his sexism.

    I couldn’t care less if he was banned or not. I don’t think he should be, but I won’t be rushing to defend his free speech rights. Which is what you have done in an attempt to turn the discussion away from whether he is right or wrong onto something that you can actually defend without causing you too much cognitive dissonance.

    It’s amazing how you do all of this posts on how you can’t prove racism to most white people, how stereotypes have no truth, about white people’s moral blindness and then write something like this. All those things are just as true for most black men.

    The fact that you adopt these white viewpoints when the target goes from black people to black women illustrates that your loyalty isn’t truly to black people but black men.

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  84. There is nothing I can add to this that hasn’t already been said. Sotomayor and his filthy sewage spewing fecal matter from his fility orifice of a nasty toilet of a mouth. Shameful and disgusting. I don’t listen to this garbage didn’t know about him until I came to the internet and black blogs. Sociopath is the only way to describe him. This is just sick.

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  85. @ Solesearch

    Where have I adopted white viewpoints of black women?

    I thought that quote was pretty damning. I would hardly count it as an example of honest criticism. Sotomayor is too long-winded to quote him throughout to make his points.

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  86. But what’s so scary and frightening about this I used to belong to a large congregation where I used to worship and the pastor is just like Sotomayor. And hundreds of men and women attend every Sunday. This man who is supposed to be a man of God has the same mentality as Sotomayor. So the sickness and poison is rampant in the Black community even in so called houses of worship.

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  87. And when white people would come to visit the church that man who is the pastor would bend over backwards to kiss the white visitors feet. He would straight up coon in front of these white people. He did everything accept tap dance and put on blackface. This is no lie.

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  88. @ mary

    How ya doin u real late today bahah. i’ll cut u some slack.
    “Sotomayor and his filthy sewage spewing fecal matter from his fility orifice of a nasty toilet of a mouth.” that right there sums it up lol

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  89. Mary your former paster sounds like he could be tommy’s father. what was he preaching about? pastor: “black women I got something to tell ya the lord just gave me a revelation* uumhum* Yall are the devil, the enemy to black men. U have been bad, the black man can do no wrong u are the issue. Look at eve she is sinful and bad she made adam eat that forbidden fruit”.black men in congregation: “preach pastor!! preach. YEs lawd!!.”Pastor: “well Now we gone have tithes and offerings.” smh.

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  90. @ m. stoogood4yall: I just got in from work. How are you I am grubbing on a taco platter from my fave little tex-mex food joint. I am very satisfied and my stomach is very happy. We are not allowed to threaten with violence on here But Sotomayor is a huge Richard. And you know the name for Richard.

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  91. hmm let me guess taco cabana?

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  92. @ mstoogood4yall: Yes it was what you said only paraphrased. And they have men’s meetings on Friday nights to reinforce this brainwashing. Many marriages were broken up because some sisters just wasn’t having that craziness. He is a self hating black man. He admitted he hated his skin color growing up. And he always desired the light skinned women with the pretty hair but was rejected. He hates black women.

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  93. @ ThatDeborahGirl and Goldfire

    Sotomayor is a dark-skinned black male who probably has a dark-skinned mother — but if you asked him how he felt about his black momma, he would probably say:

    “I love my black momma, it’s them other black Bs I can’t stand”

    even when it is OBVIOUS that CANNOT TRUE, there is NO WAY a black male could love his BLACK MOMMA and spew so much filth about ALL black women

    I bet even Tommy (boy) knows that a MAN who hates his mother is a man beyond contempt — which is why I doubt he would EVER admit that he hates her.

    even in the TV show, The Sopranos, Tony Soprano (a true sociopath) could murder and rob people but could NOT tolerate the idea that he didn’t love his abusive mother

    because he knew that SAYING or THINKING that he hated his mother reduced his self-respect to ZERO — and EVERY MALE on the planet knows this is TABOO.

    which is why black males used to fight whenever someone said “Yo momma!”

    but, sadly, that has changed as more males descend into a pit of self-hatred, and dysfunction and feelings of worthlessness — courtesy of the white supremacy system

    So, I suspect that while big, bad Tommy boy talks bad about black females, he is really doing is revealing is own self-hatred AND contempt

    He is too far gone to waste our contempt on since he’s already filled to the brim with self-contempt –and is only worthy of our collective PITY

    because sooner or later the HARM we put out into the UNIVERSE will come back and CLAIM us when we least expect it.

    All we need to do is sit back and wait.

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  94. @ Ellis

    Thank you, my brother, your post took the edge off and put a smile on my inside. Also, corny is the new “cool” 🙂

    I have two blogs

    theblackcodefiles.com

    racismws.com

    Hope you’ll check them out. I’m always down for dialoguing with brothers and sisters who want to support each other

    there is a contact form on each site

    (thanks, abagond, for letting me post this)

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  95. dang mary that is awful. where in the world is this crazy “church” cult? wtf he admitted to hating his skin color, wow when in the heck does that come up on sunday. pastor: god is good and btw I hate my black skin…. moving right along lets bow our heads in prayer…. reminds me of that boondocks episode where uncle ruckus was a preacher slapping people and saying black be gone lol.

    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=boondocks+uncle+ruckys+preacher&view=detail&mid=A42BD97A3B6A78CE1EF5A42BD97A3B6A78CE1EF5&first=0&FORM=NVPFVR

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  96. @ Mstoogood4yall; He is just a sick man. And lots of people in the community I live in follow him. This is why we as black people can’t get well. In hindsight I believe it is a cult. I was talking to one of my friends and we were discussing this.

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  97. It makes me sad that AA men are the only culture of men who disrespect and degrade their women.

    This Tommy Sotomayor guy clearly has self hate issues putting down Black women. He doesn’t like himself at all and he was hurt by Black women as well. He is a sick, self hating, ugly Black sellout.

    AA men could keep on disrespecting Black American women all they want but they will need us when their non Black spouses and girlfriends dump them or mistreat them. Don’t worry.

    This is part of the reason why my mother, who is a Jamaican, only dates Caribbean Blacks like herself. She can’t relate to AA men and she doesn’t like the way AA men put down AA women.

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  98. “Sotomayor should not be banned. If black women got him banned, it would make it seem like he was telling uncomfortable truths. Which is why I do not ban racists from my blog.”

    Sotomayor’s youtube channels exist and flourish because black women are paying them mind. Stop going to his channel and paying him mind. He’ll disappear.

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  99. It’s easy to go hard on Abagond with all the fury we feel for Tommy Sotomayor. Just remember that in the end, Abagond is someone who will actually listen, respond and change.

    That being said, I’m hoping what Abagond originally meant by “honest criticism” is that he appreciates the man saying what he really feels (being honest) no matter what.

    I suppose, Abagond, you feel that’s admirable, but to me, and I think Solesearch would agree, “honest criticism” is not merely someone speaking their mind. “Honest criticism” would be a criticism that is justly deserved by whoever or whatever is being criticized.” Later on you say that what he says isn’t an example of honest criticism in the way that I would define it.

    You need to make up your mind what you mean by “honest criticism”.

    Tommy Sotomayor misses the mark for “honest criticism” by a long shot by my definition. What he is doing is blatantly dishonest, shameful and just plain mean.

    To quote my mother: He’s a lie and the truth ain’t in him.

    To say that you believe his criticism is honest is to say that you personally believe some of what he says to be true and is deserved by black women. I honestly hope this is not the case.

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  100. Sotomayer article:
    –He says that black women tear down their men

    –He gives a huge pass to white women. They are like how women should be. They are not as racist as black women imagine.

    –He seems to be expressing his honest, thought-out opinions.

    –He is not as bad as banned YouTuber SrgtWilliePete

    BWE article:
    –White men make better husbands than black men.

    –Opening up to dating men outside your race is one thing, but if you have to put down men of your own race to do it, something is seriously wrong

    –It is Sergeant Willie Pete all over again.

    Of course, I compared the two articles of yours. In describing Sotomayer & BWE, they both sound offensive. Yet you say Sotomayer is “expressing his honest, thought-out opinions” & is “not as bad as SrgtWilliePete.” But the BWE is “Sergeant Willie Pete all over again.”

    What is the difference? Is it only when black women are being critical of black men that it’s heinous? But black men have intelligent, honest & thought out opinions.

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  101. Ah… Trojan Pam,

    Coco Butter to my soul 🙂

    My humble opinion about this dude is that he had taken out collective energy to spew our disdain (imo justified) at him and his “cause.” Well he’s gained more enemies and hopefully at least we can steer clear of his YT real estate and encourage other to do the same.

    Now, I typically visit YT to take trips down memory lane through love songs–early rap and 90s R&B. Even some meditation music.

    How many shows are there uplifting black women on YT? How many brothas are trying to publicly do right by black women? This is a serious question, maybe Abagond could investigate ;)Where is that list so we can show our love and support?

    Why can’t we just smother this dude with black love?? Black folk need to purge ourselves of the need for conflict and drama. Trojan Pam has placed well documented reasons all over the net for this but then…what next?? We need to encourage each other to demand more stability and love for one another publicly. We just don’t have the privilege whites have to paint themselves in every possible loving light (with human and aliens and other off-world creatures) They explore every possible way to fall in love, stay in love, break up, have kids–they create themselves doing it ALL!

    We have to get back to creating… We have to silence those voices of hate and despair, of psychological damage with voices of sanity and self support and LOVE.

    Sotomayer knows he isn’t in an echo chamber–He knows that his misery has company and our hate fuels his rants.

    So as I’ve said it in other posts–how many of us are willing to take advantage of the many ways we can shed more positive and public light on healing and loving, drowning the rest of the BS we give so much attention to?

    We are the original creators.
    We NEED to get back to creating.

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  102. @ Mstoogood4yall

    Who said, “Yep some do take their anger out on their sons especially if they look like the childs father that hurt them. Either that or they try to mold their son into what they want in a man and their son becomes a sonsband.”

    Never heard of “sonsband” but it fits and sounds terrible 😦

    Got to be blunt here, only a FOOL s**ts in his own nest and expects it to smell sweet.

    In spite of all the “faults” that (some not all) black males love to post publicly about black females, how does this help or solve the problem?

    what does Tommy boy and his supporters think they are accomplishing by doing this other than taking the focus off their own pitiful inadequacies?

    in other words, what would a black male get out of supporting a Tommy Sotomayor that they do not get by supporting Justice Clarence Thomas?

    just asking..

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  103. So in response to the women in here who are upset that Abagond didn’t “take it to” Tommy Jerome Harris: Certainly you’re willing to denounce flat out misandrists like Deborah Cooper, or the more radical elements of feminism that go as far calling for androcyde. Certainly, you’ll denounce the talkshow culture of the 80s-90s, and early 00s in which every other episode was about sorry ass black men, and how black men are worthless, or closet cases, etc

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  104. @ Trojan Pam,

    I think it’s the comfort level…it’s the same reason white privilege has lived so long, even among different social classes. The news pushes the ideas as reality through their endless assessments of race and gender and class, conditioning us to automatically stand on the pedestal that carries more “social weight.”

    It’s all about public perception and the subconscious digestion of what we actively take in, even by mistake.

    Whether this man is getting money or the fact that he has so much attention is fueling his non sense, we know how many faces the monster in us can take.

    We just follow the persona of the one that resembles us the most. It all ties in, imo.

    Blind leading blind.
    Lost leading the lost.

    And of course, you know, at least it’s not coming from white ppl, so it must be the truth… :/

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  105. And I just realized I misspelled my own screen Name, fail on me. I’ll take the hit and laugh at myself

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  106. @ SugarKiss

    who said: “Why can’t we just smother this dude with black love?? Black folk need to purge ourselves of the need for conflict and drama.”

    APPLAUSE

    How powerful would that be? Black people either putting him on ignore OR lavishing “love” on Sotomayor and all the wrong headed entertainers who spread poison among an already struggling people.

    People who feed on conflict and hate SHRIVEL UP when their hate is not returned or fed into

    Your post shows how advanced your thinking is and I admit I’m not there yet — maybe I never will be but what you wrote is certainly something to think about

    especially when this is EXACTLY what the white supremacists WANT us to do

    bicker with each other and at the end of the day, no matter which side we’re on, we ALL LOSE because we haven’t solved a SINGLE PROBLEM but have wasted a TON of energy and time

    In spite of all, I know the ONLY way black people in america will survive is coming together as much as possible despite our differences and learning to treat each other with RESPECT even when we don’t know how to LOVE

    The handwriting is ON THE WALL, the way we play the next hand we’re dealt will be entirely up to us

    (hope you’ll check out my blogs!)

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  107. @ ThatDeborahGirl

    By honest criticism I mean that he thinks he is HELPING black women, for the most part, by being brutally honest. If they get angry, well, that is because they are in denial. The whole trouble is, though, that his supposed home truths are mostly informed by white racism. His idealization of white women is the dead giveaway.

    I do NOT agree with most of what he says.

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  108. Abagond, you called Sotomayor’s stereotyping of black women honest criticism. That’s a white viewpoint of black people that the stereotypes they have about us are true or have some truth to them.

    This entire post was you expressing how his racism and sexism isn’t that bad. That’s a white viewpoint.

    And I say white because that’s how it’s characterized on this blog, but as we can see those are the tactics of oppressors period regardless of their race.

    Sotomayor is too long-winded to quote him throughout to make his points.

    Lol. Seriously? Now you aren’t even trying.

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  109. Abagond,

    By honest criticism I mean that he thinks he is HELPING black women, for the most part, by being brutally honest.

    Why don’t white people get this honest criticism defense?

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  110. You’re on your own Abagond.

    I tried.

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  111. @ trojanpam
    “what would a black male get out of supporting a Tommy Sotomayor that they do not get by supporting Justice Clarence Thomas?” hmm they both sellouts imo, but i think tommy would’ve kept the vra and maybe try not to let black women vote lol. By those black men airing out the dirty laundry is crazy to me, they wouldn’t want black women to do the same. U see how they act when a black woman talks about her ex yet they don’t say anything about how white women like taylor swift make dam songs about all her exes. usher makes songs about his exes* applause* black woman talks about her abusive ex { why don’t she stfu and move on]. None of that solves the problem all u did was put it out there for other races to see and shake their head not just at black women but at black men too. Black people need to stop throwing each other under the bus nobody else does this. heck even when white people go on shooting sprees they don’t bad mouth the person they say oh he was a good person and was a good neighbor and i’m shocked. black person be ready to throw another under the bus for 15 seconds of fame or 3 pieces of silver. ALl that is not worth the backlash.if black women starting making vids about black men and saying they are thugs guess what the repercussions would be? black men getting killed by white people who think they look suspicious and their defense would be well black women even say they look suspicious so it must be true. which is the same reasoning they use when a white person gets caught using the n word well a rappers says it black kids say it so it should be ok. black men make vids about black women so whites make studies saying we are xyz and try to back it up with science and a lot of black men are silent. So im going to say this, a lot of black men act like whites, whites expect blacks to have sympathy when they go through something and have a storm destroy their neighborhood, but didn’t care about blacks in katrina or sandy. Black men expect black women to care when something happens to them but when something happens to us or someone says something about us they are silent. I will always defend the black men who defend me but i say fk the people who don’t care about us u do you and im going to do me.

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  112. @ SugarKiss

    In all honesty, after reading my last post, I had to keep it real

    I don’t think I could smother Sotomayor with “love” but I could smother him with a pillow (just joking, kind of)

    What I CAN do is NOT feed into it, and that might be as good as it gets for me.

    Perhaps another way to “love” a Sotomayor type is to NOT focus on him but treat him like the CAR and not the DRIVER. He’s just a VEHICLE that has been PROGRAMMED by the white supremacy drivers

    and instead of falling into the DIVIDE and CONQUER the BLACK MALE AND FEMALE TRAP

    I would suggest focusing our attention on all the black males we know who are nothing like him. Most black males I know are NOTHING like this, despite any faults they may have.

    To the ladies — try to think about the black males who have cared for you and (hopefully) have raised you, and helped you and the ones you admire

    to the men — try to think about the black females who have cared for you, raised you, loved you and helped you and the ones you admire

    It’s really our choice as to how we CHOOSE to SEE other black people and that doesn’t mean we have to like or love every black person,

    but at least creating some emotional firewalls to keep us from falling into the Sotomayor trap of hating other black people and ultimately hating ourselves

    Because, at the end of the day, do any of us really want to be like Tommy?

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  113. @ sk and trojanpam

    my comment in moderation ugh. Yes black love is important. i watch kemetprince 1 and true wise7 these brothas have beautiful spirts and speak so beautifully. we do need to ignore these lames and uplift the ones who uplift us. The negative people of our community are getting a lot of attention while the good ones get little attention or views. Its just like how the music is where the bad artists have hundred million views while the talented artists have thousands of views. We gravitate toward negativity and focus on it, that is why i avoid tommys channel and others.

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  114. @ Solesearch

    1. I told ThatDeborahGirl what I mean by “honest criticism”. See above.

    2. NOWHERE in the post do I agree with most of what he says. Not even close.

    3. Sotomayor does not believe in editing. He talks off the cuff for 13 to 20 minutes. He rambles, he rants. That is a very different format than what I do, which is minimalist and to the point, in 500 words. So lifting more than one or two quotes would not work.

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  115. @ Temple

    My double standard has already been pointed out to me. Please criticize the post as it currently stands.

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  116. @ Solesearch

    “Why don’t white people get this honest criticism defense?”

    Because deep down most white people know the truth, they know they are being disingenuous. Sotomayor is a brainwashed fool for the most part.

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  117. uh oh…Sista’s are goin in on Tommy.

    Like i said, i don’t watch the kat on YouTube, so out of sight, out of mind.

    @ : o O ) >

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  118. Certainly, you’ll denounce the talkshow culture of the 80s-90s, and early 00s in which every other episode was about sorry ass black men, and how black men are worthless, or closet cases, etc

    I do not remember this as MANY of the daytime talk shows in the decades you mentioned were owned and controlled by whites and centered around white female issues with mostly white female audiences.

    And as i recall–if you are in fact referring to the narrative of Black men and secret homosexual activity–that dialogue was in fact opened up by a Black man named James L. King in 2001.

    If i have missed something then please point it out to me.

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  119. @ Trojan Pam

    Thanks!! 😀 😀 I will certainly do so.

    I have learned on this journey of just “waking up”
    And I’ll just touch on one or two relevant ones.

    First, your subconscious mind works for you, on your behalf 100% of the time. It processes images, symbols, thoughts and feelings, nothing is lost. Whether 2 or 3 years ago I could communicate this into words is irrelevant, I understood the importance of TV and MUSIC and IMAGERY and MOVIE ROLES and celebrity all of the media trash that has settled on our digital airwaves and I saw what I consider a really Golden years of my life in the 90’s where black LOVE WAS EVERYWHERE and we able to (mostly) be with other black ppl with normal black families and messages of love and support and not be shunned or called reverse racist, etc.

    Then the corporate takeover of those subconscious messages of black unity and were slowly replaced with integrated casts, magical Negros and Token blacks. And now? Ugh, you already know. But my point in saying this is even through the deliberate erasure of black faces on TV, I have made the conscious decision to create a reality for my family that does not include the poison that TV spews under the guise of multiculturalism and kumbaya.

    I have kids. As a parent, my oldest, a teenage boy, has NOT been programmed to have an easy ear to these messages of misogyny in music and TV and I started BLOCKING these messages young at the age of 5. I DELETED this reality, I kept him (and my others) from it.

    He is a very balanced, very well rounded child who is able to benefit and feed off of the BLACK LOVE and stability he sees through myself and his father. Just seeing LOVE IN ACTION teaches MORE than any white cpl on TV ever could.

    “People who feed on conflict and hate SHRIVEL UP when their hate is not returned or fed into.”

    I agree. Or they CRY OUT and BREAK DOWN when you tell them you love them and it will be ok. How many of out black boys are told that they should not be emotional, carING or lovING because that is not what men “do”?

    Well they are BOYS and BOYS and GIRLS need love too! THIS is where our collective energy belongs! It is in mentoring and healing our selves with and for our children! As you said, we are all products of our environments and what we don’t realize is that we do not have to spoon fed our issues. We obviously have plenty 😀

    We are creators and we need to CREATE the environment we say we are starving from. We have help. We are helpers.

    But we must be responsible and steadfast and fearless. I just can’t think of a better weapon…

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  120. @Trojan Pam

    You said:

    “I have seen black FEMALES standing up and STARTING ORGANIZATIONS to defend and protect black boys even while black girls are seldom given the same in return by black males

    It is DISGUSTING, DISTASTEFUL, DISHONORABLE, and frankly, UNGRATEFUL for black males FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER to bash black females as a group when the DEBT OWED is so HUGE

    and I suspect, that, too, is part of the reason for so much black female bashing by some (not all) black males

    The secret SHAME at needing so much AND giving back SO LITTLE”

    Your posts always have me thinking and leave me speechless..thank you again.
    I must add, that I suspect that most of these black males who constantly, faithfully and gladly bash black women feel relieved that they for a change are not the ones being the butt of the jokes. This gives their bruised ego a false boost when they imagine, pretend and perceive the world as hating black women just as much as they the black men do. It justifies their hatred and contempt for the very black women that look like them. This is so deeply painful to see. In some way, they are able to dissassociate themselves from black women and do not see black women as being a part of them. Black women have gotten the message and are responding in kind. Sometimes, I just get on my knees and pray for our traumatized people.

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  121. @TrojanPam

    From your lips to Gods ears. If not via karma, perhaps through deliverance. And, as you well know, I second Ellis opinion. I really enjoy reading your posts. 🙂

    Meanwhile, in line with celebrating the most manly of the human species, here’s
    something for the ladies to feast on:

    (http://youtu.be/XmmSZkMuXos)

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  122. On some points, I do agree with both abagond and Tommy Sotomayor.

    I was actually quit surprised when I viewed Sotomayors’s videos, as they weren’t quite what I expected them to be. While his rabid denouncement of Black women as unattractive beasties, bitches and whores is over the top, and says more about himself than it does the women he bashes, he, from what I’ve seen, tackles specific behaviors and mannerisms backs up these critiques with video evidence.

    There was one video which, for me hit home, of a little girl who was pushed and pounced on by another girl for no apparent reason. Even older women who, theoretically, should have known better, encouraged the first little girl to pound and drag by the hair, the second little girl. And the biggest differences between the girls: skin complexion, hair texture and length. It was just awful.

    I myself felt no personal offense due to the fact that nothing he said or pointed out hit home for me; I have never worn a weave; I do not have any children and I do not act out in public in the ways he showcases in his video clips.

    I do however feel that he is extreme in his admonishment of Black / darker-skinned women for a situation they are affected by, but one which is not of their making.

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  123. and here’s a message for Sotomayor, and his ilk, from some dark skinned sister’s; one of whom happens to be Kelly Rowland.

    (and just to let you know, I’m not including you as one of his ilk abagond) 🙂

    (http://youtu.be/6n5SqwERoOc)

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  124. @Trojan Pam and Sondis

    “What I CAN do is NOT feed into it, and that might be as good as it gets for me.

    Perhaps another way to “love” a Sotomayor type is to NOT focus on him but treat him like the CAR and not the DRIVER. He’s just a VEHICLE that has been PROGRAMMED by the white supremacy drivers

    and instead of falling into the DIVIDE and CONQUER the BLACK MALE AND FEMALE TRAP”

    “Like i said, i don’t watch the kat on YouTube, so out of sight, out of mind.

    @ : o O ) > ”

    @ Trojan Pam

    Exactly, that is all I’m saying. I don’t mean throwin’ flowers and singing songs, I just mean you show him the respect he shows you–and let that fool be.

    I just want to say that as I was typing my long azz response, you were surely already getting the point of what I was saying in my previous post…which to me, shows synchronicity and growth. We just need to put our focus what we want our future to look like, even in the mist of chaos and confusion, perception is reality and we need to stop ingesting the poison and start creating things that are much more meaningful and fulfilling.

    SK

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  125. “My double standard has already been pointed out to me. Please criticize the
    post as it stands.”

    As it stands it needs to be edited to correct the double standard.

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  126. @ Mstoogood4yall

    who said: “The negative people of our community are getting a lot of attention while the good ones get little attention or views. Its just like how the music is where the bad artists have hundred million views while the talented artists have thousands of views. We gravitate toward negativity and focus on it, that is why i avoid tommys channel and others.”

    Well said! Unfortunately, many people gravitate toward what is familiar and black people have been fed a STEADY DIET of negativity towards other black people all our lives — courtesy of the white supremacy system

    I also avoid videos and movies that are DESIGNED to make me feel inferior or belittled.

    The great (but frustrating) part is black people — especially BLACK FEMALES — could SHUT ALL THIS S DOWN. We are the MAIN ones who support black entertainers and bloggers and you-tubers

    They would NOT make a DIME or get any attention if we SHUT THEM DOWN

    they want us to think they don’t need us but in reality white people have NO INTEREST in TWISTED black people UNLESS they can get us to listen to or look at them. Young white kids would not give a D about black “gangsta” rappers if black people did not give them a COOL factor.

    That’s why i do NOT support black entertainers — male OR female — who degrade black people for a living. I do NOT support black male entertainers who marry white– sorry, I don’t give a HOOT if that is fair, I’m taking a PAGE out of the white female FOLK’S handbook, and I guarantee you, white females MIGHT tolerate a few (like Robert Deniro) who only marry “black”

    but IF Robert Deniro EVER degraded all white females in public or gave an interview about “why I don’t date WW”

    his CAREER WOULD BE OVER

    WE — meaning black females — are the MAIN SUPPORTERS of black male entertainers. We are the ONES who create black male SEX SYMBOLS, because while white females might fugg a black male or two they DO NOT MAKE BLACK MALES INTO TOM CRUISES OR GEORGE CLOONEYS

    (Wake up, brothers)

    If I wasn’t UP TO HERE with a ton of projects, I would start a PETITION advocating that black females (and those black males who support us)

    STOP SUPPORTING BLACK COMEDIANS, BLACK ACTORS AND ACTRESSES, AND ALL BLACK ENTERTAINERS THAT MAKE THEIR MONEY DEGRADING BLACK PEOPLE

    and (we could add) we’re going to SUPPORT those who date and marry other black people because white people would NOT tolerate the majority of white entertainers marrying anything but a white person

    THEY WOULD NOT TOLERATE IT BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE DAMAGE IT DOES TO THE SELF-ESTEEM OF WHITE PEOPLE.

    Our list would include “nappy hair” and “dark skin” jokes, pu**y and doo-doo and wee-wee jokes, and negative images of dark skinned black females VS positive images of light skinned black females and white females.

    That list also includes making black males look like buffoons and clowns (Tyler Perry buffoonery sit-coms)

    We can DEMAND that black film makers cast more dark skinned black females in romantic roles OR WE ARE NOT GOING TO RENT OR SEE THAT MOVIE because if WE don’t support them,

    They are OUT OF BUSINESS.

    It’s time to PLAY HARD BALL and if some blacks get thrown out of the game, that’s too bad.

    WE CAN SHUT THIS MESS DOWN. WE HAVE THE POWER TO DESTROY THE POPULARITY OF THOSE THINGS THAT DEGRADE US

    and if no one takes this ON, I might add it to my “to do” list and do it myself

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  127. Also wanted to add

    Nor do I support black female entertainers who marry white. Yes, it sounds extreme but extreme conditions call for extreme ACTIONS

    I’m not saying we should throw rocks or bottles at anyone’s head

    just TAKE OUR MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKETS — which is OUR RIGHT

    because the money they make off our collective bashing, most of it goes to WHITE PEOPLE anyway

    you feel me?

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  128. @ SugarKIss

    who said, “We just need to put our focus what we want our future to look like, even in the mist of chaos and confusion, perception is reality and we need to stop ingesting the poison and start creating things that are much more meaningful and fulfilling.”

    AGREED!

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  129. Abagond, you give several personal statements about what you think Sotomayor is and what he believes based on nothing. His professed beliefs are in line with white racists but in this post you only offered hedging, weak criticism of Sotomayor as being brainwashed or suffering from internalized racism. Instead of focusing on criticizing his viewpoint and defending black women, you try to present him as a victim. He is bashing black women, but he is the victim. And that is how it usually goes. We protect and defend black men at the expense of black women.

    Sotomayor’s internalized racism and brainwashing are about the same as Paula Deen’s southern upbringing.

    His calling out white male racism amounts to Paula Deen’s helping black folks.

    None of that stops him from being a misogynistic racist and it doesn’t turn his black woman bashing into honest criticism.

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  130. because while white females might fugg a black male or two they DO NOT MAKE BLACK MALES INTO TOM CRUISES OR GEORGE CLOONEYS

    True.

    In fact, if asked who they find most attractive–they will say a white man. I have known plenty a white woman who dates Black men but have images of white men posted on her fb or pinterest page.

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  131. “and if no one takes this ON, I might add it to my “to do” list and do it myself”

    wow if u need help doing it im here. we need warriors to fight this bs time to rise up *fist in the air*

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  132. @ Mariama

    it is painful to see – and frightening

    what kind of messages are our little black girls getting? If I was the father of a black girl I would be fighting tooth and NAIL for her DIGNITY.

    but that’s me…

    I fear for those black people who have no love for their own kind

    I wrote a story in one of my books called “The Zebra and the Lions: A tale of Poisonous Individualism”

    which basically was about a male zebra who thought he was superior to all other zebras, and thought female zebras were smelly and unattractive

    so he goes wandering off by himself and unbeknownst to him, there was a pack of lions watching and waiting

    for the sole zebra who separated himself from the PROTECTION of his herd

    won’t give the ending but I think you can figure it out (smsh)

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  133. @ phoebeprunelle

    right, and I BET if you look at the walls of young white females you will see posters of white male stars

    that’s why the white entertainment industry created black duplicates called “The Osmond Brothers” “The Beatles” and “Backstreet Boys” and “Justin Timberlake” and “Elvis Presley” and on and on

    because at the end of the day WHITE FEMALES UPLIFT AND SUPPORT THEIR OWN WHITE MALES

    even when they LAY in a black male’s BED

    They will hire a white male OVER a black male EVERY SINGLE TIME

    they will protest the killing of a white male while largely remaining SILENT when a black male is killed

    how many white females married to black males are out on the protest line when a black male is murdered by police?

    what will the nearly all-white female jury for Zimmerman’s trial decide?

    and if they were capable of providing JUSTICE for black males why did the defense side go along with that jury?

    see, the OBVIOUS ALLIES and NON-ALLIES of the black male are EVERYWHERE TO SEE

    but many are BLIND because they take our support for GRANTED

    but like it’s said, you NEVER MISS THE WATER UNTIL THE WELL RUNS DRY

    i just hope that we will replenish our “wells” that were drained by 400 years of chattel slavery before the water runs out completely

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  134. @ all

    I do apologize for being long-winded – again — but I did want to respond to people who posted to me

    I will now take a break and read the other posts. thank u

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  135. t’s easy to go hard on Abagond with all the fury we feel for Tommy Sotomayor. Just remember that in the end, Abagond is someone who will actually listen, respond and change.

    I don’t have any fury for Sotomayor or Abagond. This is post is just full of excuses and downplaying that you wouldn’t see in any other post on a racist. I don’t get the double standard.

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  136. @ trojan pam
    “because the money they make off our collective bashing, most of it goes to WHITE PEOPLE anyway
    you feel me?”

    Yea i feel ya sistah, i don’t go to the movie theater to watch movies anymore. i wish there were more black businesses that way i wouldn’t need to shop for any of my stuff in their stores. but i buy what i can from our people. we are the only race who allows people to bash us from within our community and outside our community. Instead of clowning and cosigning with white people we need to stop that nonesense and be silent. If they ask what are your thoughts on this other black person don’t say anything. No other community i see degrades each other and calls each other names, yet they will be ready to compare their struggles to ours for their benefit. I notice when we embrace ourselves whites say its anti white when it is really anti white supremacy, but they don’t seem to understand the difference. SO when we get told we are being anti white i know we are doing something right. They don’t say its anti black when these lames be on youtube bashing our people, no because they are doing the work for them and they don’t have to get their hands dirty. We are only wrong when we uplift each other instead of degrading each other, when we praise each other instead of fighting with each other. there is crickets when we bash each other and call each other out of our names, but the moment we spread love to each other its you’re anti white’ you’re racist, what about everybody else? fk everybody else.

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  137. @ trojan pam

    You right again about they make a white version of a black artist. i wonder why they went so crazy over justin bieber even though there are black men like usher who when his age could outdance him and out sing him. Truth is they want a white version of black men so they can spend their money and lust after him. I see more white men getting into the music industry and getting a lot more attention than some more talented black artists. imo mac miller isn’t all that yet ppl hype him and justin timberfake up. They get around black people to get the black seal of approval. justin timberfake had timberland, justin bieber has usher. so while black men are making music degrading black women, white men are making music for their women. they don’t want black men to be seen as sexy,sensual, and romantic, that is why we don’t see that many black male rnb artists today but mostly rappers. goes back to jim crow days when black men and women weren’t allowed to kiss in public because it offended whites. Pretty much all the best love songs made were made by black men for black women, but that is all falling away. Now u got some good whites who can sing from the uk taking over genres of music blacks have dominated. black people need to get it together before we replaced and whites tell their lies and say oh no blacks didn’t invent this we did, when really they just took over.

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  138. @ Mstoogood4yall

    Absolutely. It’s the story of our collective black existence.

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  139. @ Mstoogood4yall

    I thought the same thing when I watched a TV show about Justin Timberfake (I like that!) and he had to learn how to “move” and “sing” from black males who are probably broke while Timberfake has become a household name

    black people give away our talent and creativity all the time trying to “help” white people get “soul” who then PRETEND that they created the music and dance instead of black people.

    I don’t know if black people “step” where you’re from but stepping is a HUGE deal among blacks in Chicago and now white people are easing on in, trying to learn about it and within a decade

    they will be the CREATORS of “stepping” and call it something else, like Saturday Night Fever pretended that John Travolta could dance better than black people

    (gimme a break)

    Look at black music and how white people would win on American Idol imitating black people

    that’s like me entering a Chinese cooking contest and I beat out the same Chinese people that taught me the recipes

    Only in amerikkka!

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  140. Ohhhh… too much truth!! My eyes!!!!

    Seriously though, as a music lover, that mess is infuriating.

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  141. @ mstoogood4yall and Trojan Pam: I thought Timberlake kind of threw Janet Jackson under the bus, in that wardrobe debacle.

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  142. steppin isn’t big here at least not in this part of texas anyway. Blacks need to stop running to massa and saying look what i can do smh. I say don’t teach them any of our ways the way that asians and other groups keep things to themselves we need to start doing that. I don’t give my recipes away. Black people need to stop giving our talent to them. I still think there should be a black nba and sports leagues, when u think about it without black athletes sports wouldn’t be this big. But most of them are too distracted chasing money and women to create their own league, nope all they can do is hope they don’t get injured or get old. Then all they can do is hope that whites allow them to be on espn co hosting a sports talk show. Whereas if they had their own league they would be coaches and owners.

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  143. @ mary

    yes ma’am he did, i was young then and don’t remember much from that but i do know her career suffered while his flourished. ANd madonna funky @ss was talking about her. janet did not do that on purpose, yet these nasty white women like lindsay lohan and paris hilton have their dang cochie out and nobody says anything. Yet because a black womans ti@@ys pop out yall are like oh no the horror get her outta my sight and destroy her career. yall wasn’t saying nothing when black ti@@ys was nursing ur white babies.

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  144. @mstoogood4yall: very true.

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  145. @ mary burrell

    absolutely, but I don’t even blame him, it was the WHITE media that convicted Janet Jackson, even though he had an equal role in the malfunction, they acted like he was the innocent, pure white boy being corrupted by the wicked black female tramp

    that’s why it’s soooo important we NOT buy into that defective black female image because it becomes a JUSTIFICATION for RACISM

    which includes EVERY SINGLE BLACK FEMALE who has EVER claimed that a white male raped her always winds up being a “liar”

    from Tawana Bradley to Megan Williams to the black “stripper” who accused the rich white boys LaCrosse Team of raping her to the black hotel maid who accused the French politician

    while black females are still being raped by white males but most are afraid to report it because they KNOW no one will believe them because a W*HORE cannot be raped

    That’s another reason why it’s IMPORTANT that we DEFEND and PROTECT each other because one day that SOMEONE might be SOMEONE you love or that SOMEONE might be YOU

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  146. @ Mstoogood4yall

    I hear you all the way

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  147. @ Solesearch (& Temple)

    I think Paula Deen should go down in flames, but in the Paula Deen post I did not condemn her or say anything like that. Instead I laid out the facts and let them speak for themselves – including her White Southern Jim Crow background;

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/06/27/30914/

    Or when I wrote about the Klan attack on the Freedom Riders in Anniston, I did not condemn them either – I just let the tape roll:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/mothers-day-in-anniston/

    I wrote this post in much the same way.

    The main difference is that you cannot imagine me siding with Paula Deen, or the Klan, but you are not so sure about Sotomayor. I think that is a bit unfair – while I do have issues with sexism, I hardly say the kind of stuff Tommy Sotomayor does.

    The bit about white men was not in his defence, it was in contrast to his view of white women which immediately follows.

    His “honest, thought-out opinions.” was to explain why I think he is not a troll, the topic of that paragraph. Given the confusion in the thread, though, “honest” was the wrong way to put it.

    The paragraph on internalized racism and confirmation bias DOES need to be rewritten, but mainly because many people might not know what I mean.

    And, given that several commenters think I side with Sotomayor – one has already left – I need to be plain about that since my approach of just hanging out the dirty laundry did not work.

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  148. The white racists must be very happy/entertained looking at this crap!

    This is the pearl what I got from Ms. Good’s recent post:

    “…. black people need to get it together ….”

    The thrust or most of this thread is about this same old tired never ending saga of how MOST black men don’t defend black women – round and round and round we go …. not getting it together. How can we get it together if we’re in this constant mode of WHO’s AT FAULT the most???

    C’mon people. If none of what Sotomayor is saying was true, this wouldn’t be a thread with his name on it!

    FACT:

    WE’VE ALL GOT DEFICITS and SHORTCOMINGS.

    Black men and back women, BOTH. Some more than others
    .
    As a people, we seem to be losing ground, not gaining – and there’s enough blame to go around on BOTH sides. PERIOD.

    End of story.

    If your man, brother, dad, friend, uncle, gramps, son, grandson, nephew ain’t doing right – – for black women who ARE doing right — please, take this directly to them.

    All this stuff is just more noise that’s dividing and distracting us from the real issues at hand —

    MOVING FORWARD

    …as ONE united people.

    If that’s possible??

    (I’m DONE on this thread)

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  149. on Thu Jul 4th 2013 at 02:19:31 King of Trouble

    @ Adeen
    African American men are not the only ones who talk out such stupidity. I have see it in Asia. Devil wife is what a lot of Japanese men call their own or maguro (which is dead tuna) to describe certain bedroom acts and Japanese women. However, this idiot he opens his mouth so we can see his tonsils. What an idiot and black women everywhere should be happy they don’t have to be with him.

    Either you are a mouse or a man and if he found out he was a mouse he is doing everything he can to puff up his chest. When comparing himself to black women he must have seen how much he didn’t measure up and now he is doing everything to knock them down. He is an idiot in so many ways, but the number one way he is ignorant is that he has picked an impossible task. Black Women have never fallen, they have held up the family in the most impossible times. A white woman is special if she takes up arms for her country in history but we already know that black women took up arms a plenty to defend their homelands. He can say the sun is green all he wants the sun is the sun and black women are strong and beautiful without a doubt.

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  150. @ King Of Trouble; I am glad to see your comments, welcome back

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  151. @ King of Trouble

    who said: “African American men are not the only ones who talk out such stupidity. I have see it in Asia. Devil wife is what a lot of Japanese men call their own or maguro (which is dead tuna) to describe certain bedroom acts and Japanese women.”

    ——

    I don’t know much about Japanese culture (except there seems to be a TON of white identification.

    Question: do Japanese publicly bash Japanese females to non-Japanese people and media?

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  152. By honest criticism I mean that he thinks he is HELPING black women, for the most part, by being brutally honest. If they get angry, well, that is because they are in denial.

    That is interesting take. It kind of reminds me of the overweight spouse- you try to tell them to lose weight while they are enjoying a slice of double fudge cake. Or buy them an outfit two sizes to small *for motivation-wink,wink* it never works. They just get resentful and gain an extra 20 lbs just for spite. So maybe TS needs to change up if he truly wants to see a change in the black women he’s targeting.

    Full disclosure: I haven’t watched any of his videos just going off what has been posted here.

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  153. Correction:

    Question: do Japanese males publicly bash Japanese females to non-Japanese people and media?

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  154. on Thu Jul 4th 2013 at 02:59:30 King of Trouble

    Yes, they quite often do. Especially since it is the Japanese wife who takes control of the money the husband makes. She then gives him an allowance in which he can use. However, since most Japanese men work long hours they barely see their wives or children. One of slang words that use to be said about fathers was ATM, a sad commentary on how the kids saw their fathers. To most Japanese men it looks as if their wives are just hanging out with their friends as coffee, cake, or Tea houses and spending fortunes. They also us to go on vacations / holidays without their husbands to exotic countries. Hence the fetish for youth over there.

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  155. on Thu Jul 4th 2013 at 03:04:12 King of Trouble

    @ Mary, it is good to be back. Even if the topic is this one. How I wish there weren’t people like Tommy. Yet, we do have everything in the mix good, bad, and tommy.

    Plus I have followed your comments. Kept them up I thoroughly have enjoyed a lot of train of thought.

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  156. @ King of Trouble

    Not sure if your response was addressed to me.

    My question was do the Japanese males post youtube videos or articles that will be read by NON-Japanese people bashing Japanese females?

    Of course, all ethnic groups have inter-group issues but most don’t seem to air that laundry for the world to see

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  157. @ Matari

    “The thrust or most of this thread is about this same old tired never ending saga of how MOST black men don’t defend black women – round and round and round we go …. not getting it together. How can we get it together if we’re in this constant mode of WHO’s AT FAULT the most???

    C’mon people. If none of what Sotomayor is saying was true, this wouldn’t be a thread with his name on it!

    FACT:

    WE’VE ALL GOT DEFICITS and SHORTCOMINGS.

    Black men and back women, BOTH. Some more than others
    .
    As a people, we seem to be losing ground, not gaining – and there’s enough blame to go around on BOTH sides. PERIOD.”

    There are many watering holes in the web where Blacks congregate to examine and bemoan racism. No problem—that if often necessary. But I know of very few places (if any) on where Blacks meet to try and deal with our OWN internal problems on a consistent basis.

    Maybe I’m just missing these places and others will point me to where I can find them?

    But if they do not exist, or if nobody knows much about them, then add another HUGE internal problem to the list.

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  158. Abagond,

    And, given that several commenters think I side with Sotomayor – one has already left – I need to be plain about that since my approach of just hanging out the dirty laundry did not work.

    You didn’t hang out the dirty laundry. You sprayed it with febreeze and hung it up in the closet.

    This is nothing like the Paula Deen post. For the Paula Deen post to match this one you would have to mention her southern upbringing, mention she hires black folks, maybe call her politically incorrect, honest, and charming, leave out all the quotes, delete any mention of the views and accusations of her accusers, you know, the actual victims. All the while illustrating her views with a few memorable examples from celebrity life or high profile cases. Maybe a picture of O.J. or that black boy who shot that baby in Georgia. You’d also need to mention how you don’t think she should be dropped by any of these corporations.

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  159. “He [Tommy Sotomayar] says that black women tear down their men, like how Robin Givens is still bad-mouthing Mike Tyson 20 years later. White women do not do that, not even when their men screw up. Look at Tiger Woods’s wife.”

    – – –

    Did Tiger Woods bounce that blonde Swedish woman off the walls, because that’s exactly what I remember hearing that Mike Tyson did to Robin Givens. If someone was to do that sh-t to me, he could be bet his last dollar I would never let it let die down.

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  160. @ Kwamla

    who said: “If this had been a Black woman expressing similar prejudices at “dark skinned” Black men I doubt if she would have been seen as “honest and intelligent” or simply expressing “uncomfortable truths”.

    absolutely agree

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  161. @ matari

    Rofl thanks for quoting one thing i said and if u read my earlier comments you’d have seen where i said blaming each other doesn’t work and we positive blacks need to come together . i don’t care what white people think or say, yes we as black people have issues and need to fix them i didn’t put it on full blast. Other people have issues and need to work on them as well. I did not say it in a disrespectful way i didn’t bash anybody. in my comment that u quoted i was stating how we need to get it together in the sense that we need to stop selling ourselves and our talents to whites.

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  162. Peanut,

    “and what’s with all the praise of light-skinned women, they age faster than dark-skinned women. this is coming from someone who people would consider to be lighter-skinned herself (or caramel) so i’m not hating, but let me just say that ti’s totally true that light-skinned women age faster than darker-skinned women…once you get past your mid thirties…ur skin declines rapidly…”

    Now see, you don’t have to put down lighter women. That doesn’t add anything to the discussion or break any sort of cycle. And, that is not true. There are many lighter women who look very youthful. Halle, Stacey, Lena Horne looked young throughout, Rachel True. Tyra Banks. Sana Lathan. Ect. All this is counterproductive.

    Tommy is wrong for his assessments of dark women, but you are wrong for yours too.

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  163. Also, I thought you’ve identified all this time as a darker woman.

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  164. Yeah, I never noticed lighter skinned Black women being so quickly ravaged by time either. It’s been more than a minute since I was a teen but I was quite often carded up until I stopped smoking 4 1/2 years ago.

    I even noticed when I was very young an elderly cousin of mine had relatively smooth skin compared to the similarly aged white woman who was the waitress for our table, and who resembled a shar pei in the face. My cousin was very close to this pale skinned white waitress in complexion.

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  165. Fiamma,

    That is true! (Some) melanin protects from the sun, but even being light provides enough melanin. It is all individual based on genetics and mostly self care.

    I hate to say this, but I think that is an age old tactic (clique) to put lighter women down. And that’s very wrong!

    That is why we seem to be stuck where we are. Crabs in a barrel mentality. We have to find a way to get past the dark AND light skinned hate.

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  166. The black woman haters (misogynoir) on the internet are the rotten fruit of seeds planted by D. P. Moynihan’s Report , Eldridge Cleaver’s book “Soul On Ice”, and Shahrizad Ali’s book. Dr. Ali’s book put flesh on the bones of Moynihan’s 78 page report.

    The You Tube misogynoirs claimed their first victim in 2009. A 20 year black female college student was murdered in class by a SWP follower with his own YT channel. Anthony Powell (product of a two parent home) decided to put a bullet in Asia McGowen because she disagreed with his views on her YT channel. This murder is why YT hate speech against black females is censorable. These guys are all over Blog Talk Radio, Twitter, Facebook, Topix and Yahoo Answers.
    ________________________________________

    According to the Justice Department 40% of sex trafficking victims in the U.S. are black females and 62% of sex trafficking suspects are black males. Are black males our new Massas?

    http://www.ctaafsc.org/ama/orig/2012_Conference/PPT/pdf/Human_Trafficking_Final__2-11-12.pdf
    ______________________________________________

    Blogtalk radio program about why misogynoirs exist:

    ‪”The question has to be asked. Looking at the verbally and emotionally abusive language and cruel words used both online and offline – coupled with reports all over the world of atrocities and assaults committed by black and brown men against their women, it’s pretty hard to say there is much in the way of love being demonstrated.‬

    ‪Why is it that the men black women want to love, want to be cared for by, want to have children with, and want to grow old with are seemingly focused on their annihilation?‬

    ‪Is this a situation where black women need to wake up and accept that there is a war going on and they are going to be on the losing end if they don’t start fighting back?”‬

    ‪By Deborah Copper‬

    ‪http://www.blogtalkradio.com/askheartbeat/2013/07/01/do-black-men-hate-black-women‬

    _______________________________________________

    The Bonepicker88 challenges Sotomayor in almost every vlog post.

    (http://www.youtube.com/user/BONEPICKER88/videos)

    _______________________________________________

    These guys mention the porno series Ghetto Gaggers because misogynists enjoy watching women being sexually humiliated by men.

    http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/revenge-porn-and-the-women-humiliation-industry/

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  167. How young you look depends on a lot of factors; Genes, nutrition, hours of rest each night, hydration, exercise, stress, alcohol use, etc. As has been said, Lena Horne is one of the most classic cases of eternal youth, where Jasmine Guy is not. Both are light complected.

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  168. That is true. People always point out Jasmine Guy, but forgets to acknowledge Lena Horne and the others. Lena truly had eternal youth! As does Cicley Tyson.

    Ladies (Peanut), lets prove Tommy wrong!

    No One Hates Black Women More Than Black Women

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBTJOukrRAY)

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  169. Let me share my favorite video of his titled, “Black Women: Stop Giving Your Time To Undeserving Men! Pt 1”:

    (http://youtu.be/v0kPQWn9_Ww)

    I’ll take a gamble and state that I think EVERY woman here can agree on the message, even if they are not fond of the messenger because this is one video where he is not his boisterous self, little profanity and insults are used – great way to deliver a message if you want to criticize but uplift someone.

    The first time I watched it, I think I cried or got misty eyed – I even got misty in a video where he claimed he stopped dating White women because he received flack for it, cause his tone and body language signaled to me maybe he let some woman get away cause other people felt offended by his choice, but that’s another topic!

    Anyway, I need to hear this message, and this is advice that holds true for men of any race, ethnicity, religion, socioeconomic level – not just Black men as the video is titled.

    I have a father in my life, and he is my biological father. I can walk to his house right now, we live in the same neighborhood. He was married to my mother back in the early 80’s and they came here together from the island of Barbados. I didn’t come into the picture until years later and much later my sibling.

    My father had a child before he met my mom, and my mother had a child from a teen pregnancy. Early in the marriage, my father had an affair resulting in another older sibling, and all along no one knew he was a married man. But I have some awesome older siblings, my father never denied his children, we all know each other and are quite close.

    I don’t know why mother stayed after the news came to light, maybe cause she didn’t have much family in the states, I don’t know. But she stayed married and I came to be later on.

    Now, 1990’s, cause this is where my memory is fresh of course, I entered elementary school then. I can not recall ever seeing my parents kiss or hug, they never vacationed together, all they did was work. My father made more than my mother, but I mother as I recall struggled to keep the bills in order. We didn’t do much together as a family. He did take me places with him, I was the main one of his kids you’d see often, so people labeled me his “favorite.” But you’d think my mom was a single parent.

    They were legally separated, he moved out and lived with ever woman he was dating. Years later my mother served the divorce papers cause she feared him being the way he was w/ bills and money might affect her since they were legally married.

    My mother may have a few choice words regarding him, but when I once said I never wanted to speak to him again – she reminded me that he was my father and whatever he did to her had nothing to do with me.

    So I can say my father is a ladies man (he is very jokey, flirty and sarcastic to this day) and cheap (still is, lol). I laugh at that cause I’ve finally accepted it and don’t feel as angry any more about his neglect, but I won’t forget it and the damage is done.

    What did I get from my upbringing that affects my relationships now?

    – I’m humble, I never had much, My parents didn’t lavish me with gifts. My dad didn’t buy me much and I don’t expect a man to. I’m a cheap person as well, so being broke and cheap pushes me to be creative.

    – I’m passive-aggressive (as noted in the video above), my mother is not a “Rasputia from Norbit” type, and not a push-over either…there was no physical abuse but I do recall a time as a kid when my parents had an argument in the kitchen and they were holding glasses like they wanted to cut each other…*shrugs*

    – I need to be validated. I didn’t get the whole sitcom, dad tucking-you-into-bed or advice about guys or my dad meeting dates w/ a shotgun, lol. He was not there. And adolescence when you have acne and not much curves to appeal to guys is not easy if you never be validated by the first man to play a major role in your life. Luckily I didn’t ho around as a teen.

    As an adult, looking at my (lack of) love life for 2013 thus far, I have been too accepting. I accepted the “no job,” the staying in rather than going out (despite the fact that w/ my frugal creativity I find awesome FREE or cheap events), the being treated like a human blow-up doll, etc.

    I pat myself on the back cause I figure I’m a good person and they’ll appreciate it. They let me know blatantly it’s not gonna go anywhere and I chose to believe they’ll “see the light” and I push like the little engine that could…only to get disappointed when they cut my track.

    I think I’ll stop here, lol. Thanks if you made it to the end of my book. I have a comment about another video but I’ll post it later.

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  170. I had never heard of this Tommy Sotomayor person until someone mentioned him on this blog. I was curious so I went to Youtube to watch some of his videos. I know that Black women (like every other human being on the planet.) are not perfect so I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and listen to his “honest criticism”. Maybe I missed something but all I heard was harsh, negative and abusive rantings and ravings from an obviously angry and wounded man. And I won’t even get started with all the foul language that poured forth from his lips. I have been known to let loose a curse word here or there to but he was ridiculous. I never really heard him say how we as Black women can clean up our acts. I’m a teacher and I have to undergo periodic evaluations from my vice principal. He comes to observe me and then gives me feedback on what I can do to improve. Constructive criticism is more beneficial than just calling people negative names and cursing them out. I’m just grateful that I have met some Black men who are truly decent human beings just trying to make it in this evil world. There are some Black men that I would go to the ends of the earth for. Tommy Sotomayor is not one of them.

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  171. @Beautywoc and King
    I believe Jasmine Guy has a chronic illness that contributes to her looks. I thought I either read or heard somewhere that she suffers from an autoimmune disease (lupus?). I’m glad that both of you pointed out that one can be lighter complected but still age well. As King pointed out one’s lifestyle habits play a huge role in how one ages. I believe that Black people in general (medium, light and dark complexions) tend to age well. Melanin…it’s a hell of a thing!

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  172. “Black men are no more our allies than white men or white women are. We won’t get anywhere by lifting them up at our expense. Their salvation is not our salvation.”

    True. And seeing as though we all have free speech I did a post on my blog on the Trayvon Martin fiasco and how it relates to black women and girls.
    Feel free to give it a read. http://we-thrive.tumblr.com/post/54467388299/what-does-the-trayvon-martin-case-have-to-do-with-the

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  173. @Temple much of what people claim is BWE is not Bwe at all.

    For BWE posts see here:http://www.interracialdatingcoach.com/2013/03/what-is-bwe.html

    I have to say regardless of who black women sex, date, marry,or have kids with you have to have self respect.There are MANY black women in relationships with black MEN who are white supremacists in black skin don’t end up with men like them.You would not let a white man pass on the hateful evil things that you let black men say and do to black women.It should be the same standard across the board.

    I would never date marry or have kids by men who behave or think like
    Abagond- Be sure to read this whole post where it talks about the Janitor to see why I put Abagond on the list http://muslimbushido.blogspot.com/2013/06/ladies-keep-heading-for-exits-out-of.html

    Satan Force-for obvious reasons
    DL Hughley
    Kevin Hart
    Steve Harvey
    Jay-Z
    Tyler Perry
    Tracy Morgan
    Deion Sanders
    Nas
    Stedman
    Jim Jones
    Ne-yo
    Young Berg
    and many others.I would not suggest any other black woman do that either.
    I feel sorry for and am embarrassed for those who have.

    People like Tommy Sotomayor need to be stopped because of the physical murder and abuse of African American women and girls that comes from black men and boys acting on his hate speech.None of this stops at speech.In fact I KNOW it does not. All this is leading to black women being physically abused and discriminated against more.It is leading for people to consider us open targets.It affects the quality of life for black women and girls.I could care less who black men sex date and marry.I actually prefer for MOST of them to do those things with other women but the harassment abuse and murder cannot be tolerated.When people like these go unchecked they harm and physically attack black women and girls just like Tommy Sotomayor did in REAL LIFE.
    He is a person who has ACTED out his hatred for black women.He is no different at all from a NAZI.

    “Active DBRBM kill BW and Black girls. Passive DBRBM get BW and Black girls killed.” -I put Abagond in the passive category.

    Most of the black women who support Tommy’s HATRED of black women are “Special Snowflakes” not to be trusted

    Another insightful post http://muslimbushido.blogspot.com/2013_02_01_archive.html

    If you sat through ANY of TS rants there is no reason that you can’t read those posts.

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  174. on Thu Jul 4th 2013 at 13:26:57 Jittery Junebug

    According to Satanforce:

    “No it merely shifts blame and creates a vicious cycle – one that can only be solved through introspection.

    Examples I have seen Black man is going to go steady to one of his babymothers. The other babymother, in last ditch effort, gets pregnant by him so that he will stay. He doesn’t she takes out her resentment on son who look like his daddy, then son will go on to beat women who look just like his momma.

    The son could realize the other women are not like his mom but chooses to harden his heart – just like his momma.

    Examples I have seen I am underachiever with a shit job. So instead of working hard and ignoring the haters, I game high achieving black women into having sex with me, who I then punish with vigorous anal sex. While they lay in bed curled up, sobbing softly into their pillows (I am too ashamed to show them where I live), I smirk to myself, feeling powerful, as I have taught another black bitch a ‘lesson’. I could, of course man up, and stop wasting time doing stuff like spending all day posting comments on blogs, but I have hardened my heart, and refuse to face my own internal problems.

    That is the real problem.”

    Satanforce creeps me out with his posts, but his point about introspection is poignant.

    My biggest complaint about Youtube is that 95% (and that’s my estimation) of it is opinion, but presented as fact. The 5% that qualifies as fact are those channels dedicated to tutoring or educating interested individuals in math and science. I would think it to be very hard to dispute 2+2=4 and some random balanced stochiometric equation (I hope you get my point :)).

    But the other 95% is opinion presented as fact, and painfully so. The Tommy Sotomayors of the Youtube world have undermined journalism with a horizontal version of it. By appearing on camera, and on a media outlet, his message is somehow validated to some people. Someone posted a comment about how he uses videos to prove his critiques. Therein itself lies the problem.

    I can easily find a video to provide examples of a conspiracy, but is the proof peer reviewed? And I’m not talking about peer evaluated as in a bunch of people agreed with you in the comment section. What sources are cited? Are these verifiable, reputable, and peer reviewed sources or are they other blog/youtube sources from like minded people? Yet when I read the comment section of Sotomayor’s videos, the comments from proponents always say something like, “This is fact and these emotional *** can’t handle the truth.” Ironic, no?

    What truth, other than an objective one, says that a group of women should die because they are evil or disgusting (even if he meant “some”, since the ‘he’s not talking to all, just some’, argument is always made)? That’s contradictory and illogical. So is the comment, “I love black women and want them to do better, so I campaign for Tommy.” Yes, by virtually supporting someone who sometimes wishes for an ethnically cleansed femicide. Gendercide of any kind is wrong, no?

    He’s admitted to being no saint, but what about hypocrite? I remember watching the video, “Black men king of what castle?”. It was posted by someone else so forgive me if that is not the title. But he made the comment that a Black woman didn’t raise a Black man to be president, a White woman did. I agree. In fact, two White women raised him. But he didn’t mention(at least in the video I saw) that a White man also raised Obama, that man being his maternal grandfather. He didn’t mention that Obama’s father abandoned him, leaving his mother a single one. In this specific instance, why did he leave that out? He knows how to placate his supporters. Appease them with enough beast bashing, and then make a socially conscious statement to make his sentiments seem as if the jesting has a point (as your comment pointed out, Satanforce).

    In the infamous video “Lighter women do look better,” he stated that light skinned women throw darker skinned women bones by telling them that they wish they were dark or that darker skin looks better. He compared it to the special olympics where the darker skinned women were “special” and that the lighter ones are basically winning. But then he states that dark girls call him racial epithets relating to his skin color when they get angry at him(irony again, no?), yet the lighter ones tell him his skin looks nice. Using his logic, aren’t the lighter girls just throwing him a bone too?

    I write all of this here as opposed to his actual videos because him and his loyal followers bring me to tears. I remember someone mentioning sexual crimes against black females where black males are the perpetrator and one guy (with cosigners) said that black women are to blame for not protecting their children. Not only was I crying, I was sick. No vilifying the perpetrator.

    With that said, I understand the boycotting of his brand, but I don’t know how effective that will be, given that, as one person stated, a lot of people tune in just for the “what will he say next” appeal, and then there are those who genuinely endorse what he says. Also, the lack of solidarity (and this isn’t necessarily a bad thing since every idea isn’t a feasible one) among women in this argument will do us in because as shown in these posts, an issue such as colorism might come up. Sigh….

    This goes back to the original quote I’m responding to, a matter of introspection. This is my solution, as in what I’m going to do. Looking inside myself, I have trust issues with men. Men in general scare me. And introspection would tell me that there are “good” ones (good by whose standards, this could go on forever because its objective), but I don’t have good intuition and obviously taking someone’s word for it isn’t good enough. Rather than taint a good guy (again, the term good is extremely objective), I choose to remain alone. I won’t date, marry, have kids, or have any relationships with men outside of one of friendship. Not that it matters, in probabiIity (didn’t say ‘in fact’), I think TSotomayor would say farewell beast.

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  175. on Thu Jul 4th 2013 at 13:30:49 Jittery Junebug

    My bad, change objective to subjective in one of those spots. Ehh, I’m learning.

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  176. on Thu Jul 4th 2013 at 13:35:28 Jittery Junebug

    Wait, change all of the “objectives” to “subjective”. Again, sorry.

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  177. I’ve been thinking about this for a bit. Abagond, you really let me down yesterday with your conclusion to this post and your subsequent comments. I thought you, of all men, would get it, especially considering your posts on racism.

    But it seems you’re not capable of extending the fallacies of racism to cover, in your mind, the fallacies of misogyny. This is disappointing in the extreme.

    I guess it’s a bit much to ask of a man, but the hurt I feel today won’t be going away anytime soon.

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  178. “The most disrespected person in America is the Black woman, the most unprotected person in America is the Black woman, the most neglected person in America is the Black woman.”

    — Malcolm X

    Black racist misogynists like Tommy Sotomayor are severely damaged individuals. Their words and actions are a virus that bring nothing but pain and dysfunction to the Black race.

    These people are the ones who degrade and disrespect their mother; the black woman while protecting and uplifting the white man’s mother.

    I love this blog; I read every post but I’m disappointed by this one.

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  179. I said I was done w/ this thread. I lied…

    Ms Good: Thanks for the explanation. I just took what I liked from your post and used it..

    Ms.$0.02

    Your post coincides with my own family background – not exactly but very similar. Thanks for sharing that.

    I pray you do get VALIDATED by a man who is willing to move mountains just to treat/love you the way you ought to be treated and loved. I watched 5 minutes of the Sotomayor video link you posted. There was nothing said during that time I could take issue with. In fact, I stopped watching before it was over because I found it SAD. Why? Because of the truthfulness of how sick and broken we collectively are, that there are people, us, that are in relationships that are very f’ed up – and stuck in them because we do not know how to think, or know how to think well enough of ourselves – that we deserve better. No woman should be paying a healthy man’s bills, rent, car note, child support and supporting him REGULARLY as he sits at home on his ass, doing jack!

    A father is responsible for showing his daughter how any man who is interested in her is supposed to treat her. Too many women aren’t getting that memo because dads are coming up short. That’s sad – on so many levels.

    *IF* I were your dad (or father figure) I would tell you that “no job” and “blow up doll” are NEVER, EVER acceptable arrangements. People treat you as you teach them to treat you – or show them the door!

    Please find/wait for a GOOD man to come along! Don’t settle for less than ..

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  180. @Jittery Junebug,

    Couldn’t have said it any better myself…

    The most telling part of a lot of the commentary by not just Sotomayor’s followers but by “messangers” like him as well–all seems to read like the same argument. Here is what i mean:

    1. “Black women threw Black men under the bus in the 1990’s by going on national television saying ‘Black men ain’t s*** ‘ (when there is no extensive record or documentation for this)

    2. “Society has allowed Black women to advanced more so than Black men” (again there are no real figures or numbers on this; unless of course one looks at the college enrollment of Black women and compare that to Black men. Black women may be only slightly outpacing Black men here, but as it stands, Black men still earn on average 70,000 a year or more than Black women with college degrees)

    3. “Black women (especially darker toned) are trying desperately to imitate white women by wearing red lipstick, blue eyeshadow and other make-ups known as “war paint”. (i don’t even have an assessment for this absurd logic.)

    4. “Black women prefer to chase/marry white men because there are countless examples on t.v. (typically they are referring to the show “Scandal” yet ignore that the U.S. Census reports that as of 2011, 95% of Black women who are married described there husbands as being Black)

    5. “Black women are collaborating with white men in an effort to destroy Black manhood” (i guess see number 4)

    6. “70% of Black women are unmarried and have children out of wedlock; 50% are infected with herpes” (Sigh…without a shadow of a doubt these numbers are over-inflated, suspicious and do not take into consideration the national figures. In fact, the CDC has yet to apologize for releasing those faulty figures. The 50% was passed off as the national figure for Black women, when in fact it only referred to a single community of Black women in Harlem that were receiving treatment for the disease at a public outpatient clinic in the city! And even all of them shouldn’t have been included in the figures as they were only carriers–but any doctor will tell you, we all carry HSV1 and will test positive for it if given a blood test (especially if you have had any form of varicella).

    These are just a few of the rehashed, hybrid justifications as to why there is a need for Sotomayor’s narrative and other Black men like him and as you can clearly see–none of it is based on factual evidence, but manufactured and historical public perceptions of Black women to assassinate our character and to further alienate Black people from one another in addition to whites themselves.

    What i suspect is going on is that many of the followers and commentators who co-sign are not aware of any social dynamics that affect Black men or Black women and need some form of validation–even if it is coming from someone (Sotomayor) who is not even serious about his message himself. Here is a quote from him:

    So why not make money off a group of stupid people? Black people are stupid. I got bigger not because of the people who like me, but because of the people who didn’t.

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  181. @ THE ALCHEMIST

    Thanks for the information AND for providing a more SOMBER look at the dangers of the Sotomayors of the world AND why I feel that this kind of public sewage masquerading as “advice” and “intellectual food for thought” is one of the MOST DANGEROUS things black people could be doing in a (white) nation that is moving against us in every way imaginable.

    I used to spend a good deal of time reading BlackPlanet and BlackVoices.com posts and was ASTOUNDED by the level of sheer HATRED being spewed by some black males AGAINST black females, at the point of being IRRATIONAL.

    So i decided to compare the posts and threads created by black females with the ones created by black males

    and came to the unfortunate conclusion that black males were functioning in an OFFENSE/ATTACK posture while black females were functioning in a SELF-DEFENSIVE posture

    which was very similar to the way whites and blacks interacted on the internet, with whites in the ATTACK/OFFENSIVE mode and blacks were in the SELF-DEFENSE mode.

    It seemed that the black females were DEFENDING THEMSELVES after being attacked. Black males were NOT DEFENDING THEMSELVES from attacks by white males and females but were ATTACKING black females.

    I was stunned, angered and frightened because I couldn’t help but remember all the times as a young black female that I had been put in this position in real life — by both black male acquaintances AND by strangers who were taking out their fear and frustration on me.

    I have been cursed at, threatened, hit, kicked, defamed, disrespected more times than I can count JUST for being black and female and being on a public street or riding public transportation. I’m not sharing this as a toe of WOE (oh, poor me) I’m making a POINT.

    Due to the severe psychological MALFUNCTION of the black personality after 400 years of chattel slavery and 150 years of racist oppression that the MONSTROSITY that was created has become a distinctly anti-black AND anti-black-female PERSONALITY

    A friend of mine had a blog on BlackPlanet, he is a very pro-black, counter-racist, protect-the-black-female and child at all costs blogger (crammasters) who got into this HUGE conflict with a black male poster who claimed to be “pro-black” but was actually very ANTI-BLACK-FEMALE and felt that black males should only talk to other black males to “solve” the problem of racism.

    This poster, I’ll call him Mr. Z, became INFURIATED when crammasters posted a video by a black female who did a short film on black females being harassed in the street (which is very common in Chicago) and Crammasters added that rape against black females (which is at an EPIDEMIC level in Chicago) was something that should concern black males because these are our mothers, sisters, daughters, etc.

    Mr. Z. (who lived in Chicago) went ballistic and said black females weren’t S anyway and didn’t deserve to be protected, and blah, blah, blah — and he started posting long posts on crammasters blog that were totally incomprehensible until crammasters had him blocked.

    My point is this black male (Mr. Z) and Sotomayor are the MONSTROSITIES that Mr. Neely Fuller, Jr. talks about,. that white supremacy has created MONSTERS (white people) and MONSTROSITIES (black people) which = malformed personalities.

    (I have a ton of Mr.Fuller sound clips on theblackcodefiles.com. If you haven’t listened to Mr. Fuller, you are missing out on a GREAT deal of clarity about the system of white supremacy)

    (continued on next post)

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  182. @Jittery Junebug don’t allow these ignorant hateful white supremacist negros to keep you from living a full life.You should get counseling and learn how to discern between good and bad people and all those in the grey as well.There are many resources for women who would like to move on and forward from damaged people and heal themselves.You should look into it. Be sure to go to someone who is knowledgeable about the things that go on amongst black people.

    Side note:Anyone who is thinking Tommy sotomayors intentions are good is a fool.His intentions,like many other hateful white supremacist black males, are to socially isolate and annihilate black women and girls.

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  183. and by annihilate I mean TS wants to MURDER the physical spiritual and mental bodies of black women and girls,.

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  184. @ THE ALCHEMIST

    (continued)

    I was almost convinced by a few of the posts that I read on this blogpost that maybe this conversation was counter-productive but after reading YOUR post, I realized it was a HUGE MISTAKE NOT to talk about this

    I agree that the blaming posture is not helpful BUT I believe that ALL things “in the dark, so to speak” should be BROUGHT TO LIGHT.

    I believe EVERYTHING should be OPEN for examination and NO TOPIC — no matter how “offensive” should be overlooked. Black people collectively have already spent FAR too much time in denial and avoidance and now we are reaping a BITTER HARVEST by NOT doing what should have been done a long time ago

    TELLING THE TRUTH SO WE CAN SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS

    The Tommy Sotomayors of the black community aren’t interested in telling the truth. They aren’t interested in solving any problems. They’re not offering constructive criticism, what they’re doing is acting out their MONSTROSITY PERSONALITIES and ISSUES at the EXPENSE OF BLACK FEMALES

    and while the white elites are creating a BLACK SCAPEGOAT SCENARIO by blaming all their crimes on black people and putting a black face on everything that angers white people (which is why President Obama was (S)ELECTED)

    black males like Sotomayor are creating a BLACK FEMALE SCAPEGOAT SCENARIO by putting a BLACK FEMALE FACE on everything that angers black males — and in essence are GIVING BLACK MALES PERMISSION TO DEGRADE AND HARM AND KILL BLACK FEMALES

    and the white supremacy system created this NEED via the gangsta rap, TV, movies, etc that shows a DEGRADED AND UGLY IMAGE of black females, in particular, the DARK-SKINNED BLACK FEMALE

    and sadly, many black males — even those with dark-skinned mothers, daughters, sisters, etc

    HAVE BOUGHT RIGHT INTO IT and instead of FOCUSING on the REAL PROBLEM: RACISM/WHITE SUPREMACY —

    it is NOT black females that have eliminated black males from the workforce, or who have unjustly incarcerated them, or who have pumped 50 bullets into their unarmed bodies, or who have allowed the Zimmermans to murder black people and walk free.

    YET some black males show MORE HATRED for black females than for the white people who are HARMING THEM

    WORDS ARE POWERFUL, and white people have used them against black people successfully — and those WORDS affect whether we get that JOB or not, whether we get that LOAN or not, whether we go to JAIL or not, and whether a white policeman can TAKE OUR LIFE AND GET AWAY WITH IT or not.

    Why would anyone think that black females LIVES are NOT BEING EQUALLY AFFECTED by these harsh, heartless and condemning WORDS from black males who are supposed to love and care for us? If we cannot count on black males to protect and defend us who are we supposed to turn to?

    Thank you for your post. It brought to mind the SERIOUSNESS of the words of Sotomayor AND what a DANGEROUS ROAD black males and black females are traveling on

    because even while I write this black people are being PURGED from american society, from the schools, the workplaces, even from PARTICIPATION in elections and society at general (due to the increasing number of black felons AKA “The New Jim Crow” — all while being BLAMED for the collapse of “American society” by the frustrated and frightened white masses.

    For any black male (or female) who is IN a SINKING SHIP full of HOLES to spend ANY amount of time trying to drown another black person INSTEAD of asking them to help PLUG UP the holes so NO ONE WILL DROWN

    that is the best evidence of a PERSON WHO HAS BECOME A DANGEROUS MONSTROSITY instead of a degraded person who is determined to RECLAIM THE HUMANITY AND HUMANNESS that was stolen from them. .

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  185. @ ThatDeborahGirl, Solesearch, Temple, Adams, Vindicator, etc:

    I rewrote the ending of the post. It is stronger, less confusing (I hope) and fits in better with this blog.

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  186. Ok matari glad u understand now 😉

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  187. @ $0.02

    Really enjoyed your “book” . I can relate to not being a “daddy’s girl” and how that affected my self-esteem and the way I related to males in general.

    Thanks for sharing

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  188. ‘Rather, Sotomayor is a male counterpart of BWE, the Black Women’s Empowerment movement. It is the same trope”

    Oh, is that so? BWE members physically assault black men and tell other black women to do so as well? BWE members convince mentally ill black women to murder black men and then laugh and high five each other after the deed is done? I have heard BWE members say that their non black spouses protect them from harassment but I have never heard them say that they specifically target black men in public to harass or to do anything to. In fact many of the members of BWE view most black men as being either altogether useless or dangerous and simply tell black women and girls to get away from them and their supporters and start up their own industries and communities filled with quality people. Hell here is a post from a popular bwe author telling black women to not pay attention to dbr black men online and to spend their time making arrangements so that they can live well and be safe. http://sojournerspassport.com/the-first-national-tune-out-neutral-low-value-and-no-value-black-men-week/

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  189. @ TheDeborahGirl and Probably Everyone Else

    I am sorry for the pain my sexist stupidity caused. I hope I can learn from this debacle.

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  190. @ Abagond: When you learn better you do better. This was a teaching moment.

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  191. @ peanut that’s what i’m, wondering they doing the same with rihanna. They don’t like black women speaking up about abuse by some black men. It goes to the saying of what happens in this house stays in this house. They get on them because they are still talking about it years later, they expect it to be over with in months and to get over it. We don’t like to be told to get over slavery so why do they tell us to get over abuse? The main reason is because it doesn’t affect them so they think it don’t concern me so i don’t care.

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  192. robin givens talks about mike tyson not all black men. when some black men have a situation where they were with a crazy black woman they blame us all. i say count ur blessings at least she isn’t bad mouthing all black man but just one in particular and mike proved she was right that he is crazy when he bit that mas ear off. i have no issue with people who talk about someone who they have issues with but don’t make broad generalizations about everybody that looks like that person that hurt you.

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  193. mochasister

    “@Beautywoc and King
    I believe Jasmine Guy has a chronic illness that contributes to her looks. I thought I either read or heard somewhere that she suffers from an autoimmune disease (lupus?). I’m glad that both of you pointed out that one can be lighter complected but still age well. As King pointed out one’s lifestyle habits play a huge role in how one ages. I believe that Black people in general (medium, light and dark complexions) tend to age well. Melanin…it’s a hell of a thing!”

    I completely agree! Even lighter people have a built in SPF of at least 15. But it is definitely lifestyle.

    Peanut,

    Yes, that was offensive and untrue. The thing that bothers me most is that it is a tactic. You’ve always identified as a darker woman. But, now to prove a point, you are now lighter. It seems that you made that disclaimer to give you more legitimacy to bash light women, under the guise of not hating because you are now “light” too.

    When you start out a statement, “What’s with all this praise for light women?”, that is very telling. Then you proceed to bash with an untrue assessment. I don’t want women, especially the type that Tommy has issue with, to prove him right. But, he could probably do a video on your statement alone.

    Also, when people bash dark women, the entire internet lights up. People venomously defend dark women. Rightfully so. But, it is light women who have things said about them that are not always defended because people think that there is privilege attached with them. As long as we are all black, we should support each other.

    Again, light women have melanin. But it is really lifestyle AND attitude that determines youth, so. 🙂

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  194. “Someone posted a comment about how he uses videos to prove his critiques. Therein itself lies the problem.”

    – – –

    What I actually wrote is as follows:

    “While his rabid denouncement of Black women as unattractive beasties, bitches and whores is over the top, and says more about himself than it does the women he bashes, he, from what I’ve seen, tackles specific behaviors and mannerisms [and] backs up these critiques with video evidence.”

    What I was referencing I was his critiques of BEHAVIORS …behaviors performed by individuals. What I wrote should not be taken to mean that I agree with his attributing these behaviors to all, many or most Black women. The behaviors belong to the individuals who act them out. Why should I feel personally attacked as a Black woman because Tommy Sotomayor has certain feeling about ‘twerking’ in inappropriate places and shows a clip of a woman twerking inside of a church? It’s not me twerking inside the church (or anywhere else for that matter).

    Where he goes wrong is in slamming Black woman for the behavior of one person in a video clip. Also, he should just stick to assessing the behaviors shown and stop launching personal attacks on the individuals performing them.

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  195. I’m not going to look through his thousands of videos (too much work and too much disenchantment), but Tommy has admitted on a few occasions to being a sexual abuse victim at the hands of a lower-class/”ghetto” black female
    . His willingness to project his own experiences on all black women (never mind his tunnel vision perception of all black people as project-dwelling thugs and beeyotches) is what makes him abhorrent.

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  196. You weren’t just praising dark women, but you bashed, basically slammed light women. I don’t like that either. You have to understand, bashing a to uplift b will never work. It just makes people like Tommy feel justified in their beliefs. Watch the video, “No one hates black women more than black women”.

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  197. There are many videos where Black women are bashing black men too. Let’s be honest. It’s wrong on both ends though but let’s not make this a black man thing because I’ve come across many black women too who dog black men and strangely make white men out to be saviours!!

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  198. i wasn’t going to say anything about the whole light skinned thing, but i feel i would be a hypocrite not to. I have no issue with light skinned women, i do have an issue with the media and people who uplift them over other shades of black. Some of the people in the civil rights movement were light skinned women such as rosa parks. I am a darker skinned sistah and do see the hate we deal with on tv and on youtube and other websites. But i also see some of the light skinned sistahs coming to our defense. I don’t know all that light skinned women go through from the outside looking in it appears they get uplifted and are seen as beauty and us dark skinned women as the beast. But i also see vids and things of lighter skinned people speaking about their issues of being told they are not black enough or that they are white. I don’t know what that feels like and would never want to be called white and reject by other blacks. I think its messed up that we are told we are acting white if we are educated and articulate and that people get told they look white because they are light skinned. We all deal with being told we are not good enough or that we are not black enough be it the way we dress, act, or our skin tone. Peanut this is not directed to u idk what is going on but usually u are different and comment alot. SO i hope all is well on your end.

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  199. BWE adherents are bigots pure and simple. They always have been. They likely always will be. I don’t know Abagond that well but I know that he’s hardly damaged beyond repair in any aspect. I DO know The Janitor. Obviously I disagree with negative characterizations of him. I challenge anyone to find anything he’s ever written that is a negative generalization about black women.

    http://www.theurbanpolitico.com/2013/05/whataboutourdaughterscom-does.html

    Some people simply can’t tolerate dissent or disagreement which is why BWE sites tend to devolve into groupthink hives akin to Jonestown without Kool-Aid.
    Just as there are black men who via self-hatred insult their black female counterparts there are black women who do the same. I think they deserve each other. BWE folks can dish it out but they can’t take it. There is very little that Sotomayor has said that hasn’t already been said by BWE…going the opposite way of course. Their hatred is free speech but his needs to be banned. Right….

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  200. I rarely comment on issues like this because the level of maturity required is mostly lost on those making the most noise. It’s one thing to disagree, it’s another to personalize that disagreement and turn to ad hominems. Like Shady, I to challenge ANYONE to find anything where The Janitor said something negative about Black women.

    Then after, once he realization of sets in that it doesn’t exist, I hope you can look to the real source of the issue. Once you realize that another perspective is just that, then growth can start. Until then, enjoy being miserable misrepresenting other folks and fighting back against straw-men.

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  201. This is so sad.

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  202. Unfortunately, as Abagond has forbidden me from describing black women as “bitches”, or referring to commenters as animals, I am unable to respond any of the black women’s comments. Nevertheless, even though don’t love these bitches, that doesn’t mean that I have love for Tommy either. Listen to this.

    Long term relationship with these black she-beasts? He lives with it? What the fuck is this shit? Thankfully, only 1500 views, so no one is watching this shit.

    Sweet Christ. How the hell does anyone believe this shit?

    Now this is just some gay shit.

    Its a good thing that he has buried these videos on his many channels, and has failed to organize them using one channel and many playlists. Next thing you know people start believing this shit.

    Black men like myself have found out how to deal with black women. Right now, she’s just waking up, and I’m all out of lube! Bitch driving around in her Range Rover, working at a job that rightfully be mine. If this was 30 years ago, I would have had been her place, now the world is upside-down. This is black women’s fault, service based economy be damned. What needs to be done is for a system to be put in place that benefits black men economically. We can’t look into ourselves and find the answers, or any of that PhoebePrunelle crap trying to analyze Tommy. Studying , analysis, honest introspection and humility is not the answer. Sodomizing black women till they cry is.

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  203. This kind of seems to me we are beating a dead horse. We keep going around and around. We all agree that Sotomayor is a miscreant and so are those with the same mentality as him. To borrow a metaphor this just seems a dog chasing his tail. And white racist are watching all this go down and laughing at us because we can’t seem to get our business together. All of this is just sad.

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  204. hi ms mary how ya doing? what so sad?

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  205. *like*

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  206. Yeah mary it does seem that way *sigh* “We all agree that Sotomayor is a miscreant and so are those with the same mentality as him”

    You know i like this better “Sotomayor and his filthy sewage spewing fecal matter from his fility orifice of a nasty toilet of a mouth.”

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  207. @ FED_UP

    And what was it you were looking to accomplish by insulting those individuals? I hope you were not looking to chastize others for something you just felt free to do.

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  208. @Mstoogood4yall: It seems like a lot of confusion. It’s seems like we are being redundant. The light skin vs dark skin issues and the chasm between black males and black females. It just seem like we can’t get it together. It just makes me sad that we are not a cohesive group.

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  209. wtf satanforce you one sick mofo rofl.

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  210. “And white racist are watching all this go down and laughing at us because we can’t seem to get our business together. All of this is just sad.”

    Not really.

    The key to “Black people getting our business together” is acknowledging the problems, arguing about it, even fighting about it. And then coming together, making peace, acknowledging mistakes, making alliances, and actually FIXING things that are the matter with US at some point.

    As long as 98% of the focus is always on what is done to us, and never on what we do, then there is no hope of ever “getting our business together,” and is the truly sad part.

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  211. @mstooood4yall: Yeah, that was good wasn’t it. I like that one too. I don’t know what is motivating Sotomayor to throw Black women under the bus. It’s probably for money. Maybe he is just a shock jock and is profiting off this sewage. That’s sad. It’s sad he has amassed a following.

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  212. @ mary
    yeah i know. its amazing how we focus on the little issues[colorism,weave,etc] instead of the bigger ones[white supremacy, creating black businesses,black schools closing etc] that contribute to the little issues. A lot ove arguing over superficial thins. I’m like this i don’t care what u have on your head, i care about what’s in your head. I don’t care about what skin tone you are i care about black people. If i’m going into battle i want trustworthy people standing beside me, regardless of hair texture,skin tone or income. If we on the same page which is dismantling the glass ceiling white supremacy creates, being pro black, and supporting black businesses i don’t care what you look like.

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  213. @mstoogood4yall; You know you are none of these things and I know I am none of these things. We don’t have to entertain clowns like him and other clowns like them who are jerks. We know we are phenominal women like Maya Angelou says in her poem.

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  214. ooh maya angelou is very wise and beautiful. you are right we are none of those things, we should try to ignore people like this. That is what i do with the trolls on here i ignore them and address other black folk. We as black women do need to uplift each other and leave the men and women alone who are white identified and sold out. Trojan pam is right that we should support each other and ignore the ones that don’t support us or are against our advancement.

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  215. i say we should listen and follow positive brothas like this, although i’m not ready to hug the haters lol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgEjxXhUeA)

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  216. @Abagond your apology and your willingness to admit your error in judgement and your desire to be better is appreciated.

    In the current world that we live in there is nothing that Black women have said or have done to Black men that is comparable to the amount of damage that has been and can be done to Black women by Black men.

    The majority of Black women that speak out against Black men have been speaking from a defense first/offense necessary position that is the result of decades of of abuse at the hands of Black men. Black women have the right to protect and save ourselves.

    When thinking about the visceral hate that is directed toward Black women by Black men for choosing to divest from a system that hates on us the issue of social justice within the Black community has to be addressed.

    The power structure in this society, one created through white supremacy, has provided the opportunity for Black men to do to Black women what white supremacy has allowed white people to do to Black people.

    White people use derogatory words, blame, violence, fear, subjugation and oppression to control ALL aspects of Black peoples lives.

    Black men committing those same horrendous acts against Black women should never be supported in it.

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  217. @ mstoogood4yall; I co-sign with you.

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  218. The discussion is great and the input from everyone is spot on.

    @shady_grady

    I agree with you in regards to both groups. I do wonder if BWE are as vicious as their men counterparts.

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  219. @ Mary

    It is really good to see you in these discussions. I always thought you were the quiet shy type. 🙂

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  220. Mary

    did u see the vid of Robert gill going 25mph on a treadmill its crazy what black people can do. We don’t need superheroes because we are super human lol.

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  221. @ Sharina: I can go hard sometimes. It’s good to talk to you as well. Shy quiet type. LOL!

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  222. @ Mstoogood4yall: No, who is Robert Gill? I will check it out. Meanwhile. My kinfolks are grilling me some good dead animals and I am going to get my eat on. LOL!

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  223. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=robert+gill+treadmill&view=detail&mid=24BF4030EFE89B1AC50324BF4030EFE89B1AC503&first=0&FORM=NVPFVR heres the vid. its a bird, its a plane….. no its a super fast black man lol. fk superman this is fact not fiction.

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  224. Happy 4th of July to everyone. Even if you don’t care for the holiday. You can still do cool stuff like eat dead grilled stuff.

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  225. @ Mstoogood4yall: That was crazy. That looks supernatural almost. Wow!

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  226. @ Sharina: It’s something that doesn’t sit right with me about that BWE business. IDK. It seems like they are being used by the white supremacy movement to divide Black people. It sounds like a divide and conquer tactic by the white supremacy movement. I could be wrong. If they want to date other races that’s fine, but don’t malign Black men. That seems wrong to me.

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  227. @Peanut, BeautyWOC,

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/tommy-sotomayor/#comment-179542

    This comment is a good example of GASLIGHTING. Attack a group of women and do not come to their defense. When they finally speak up to defend them selves they are accused of bashing their attackers and those who benefit from their dehumanization (lighter skinned women). Their attackers can now claim that these women have brought the negative perception of dark skinned women on themselves. Dark skinned women are now held responsible for any abuse they experience. Male privilege, light skinned privilege and misogynoir allow others to feel justified in emotionally abusing and gaslighting darker skinned women.
    ________________________________

    Colorism and Psycho-Linguistics 101:

    Dark skinned black people are called names like cockroach, tar, asphalt, midnight, gorilla, etc. They are called inanimate objects. These words are NOT used descriptively. Lighter skinned people are called names in a descriptive fashion: piss colored, yella gal, light bright. When a light skinned person is called a descriptive name it is hurtful. When a darker skinned person is called an inanimate object it is hurtful and DEHUMANIZING. Darker skinned blacks endure a type of name calling and verbal assault that is of a different CALIBER than then hurtful name calling lighter skinned people endure.Darker skinned people must constantly reassert their HUMANITY. Lighter skinned women’s hurtful experiences are buffered by light skinned privilege, the higher premium placed on them in the relationship marketplace, and higher visibility (in a positive way) in the media landscape. A lighter skinned black woman’s HUMANITY and right to exist and walk the earth is never challenged by the black community.

    BeautyWOC please STOP GASLIGHTING Peanut.

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  228. on Thu Jul 4th 2013 at 20:34:10 King of Trouble

    @Trojanpam, You are bound to find it somewhere maybe on 2channel or Mixi, maybe even on Youtube but you have to know Japanese. I’ve only come across my students calling out the jerks. I have never been interested in idiots dissing women. English being such a wide spread language we get to see more of it in your face.

    One of the complaints some of my Japanese female students had was how wimpy videos like that were. The internet as one of my students put it gives weak men like that courage so they can find their otaku companions in droves.

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  229. I agree and have been thinking the samething. To put down black men the way they do is to put down the black men that gave them life. Same with the groups that put down black women. Can they look the black parent in the eye knowing that they said those nasty things. Can they say they love their parents while saying that to other blacks?

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  230. Wonder how much the increase in court-enforced child support over the last fifteen years has to do with the acrimony between some black males and females?

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  231. @Sharina

    Okay… you got me. I shouldn’t have said their lives were “miserable.” So please allow me to restate: Until then, enjoy misrepresenting other folks and fighting back against straw-men.

    Is that better?

    However, to your inquiry, about what I was looking to accomplish (and to my larger point)…No, I’m simply asking anyone to show where the Janitor, the same person who wrote posts about females like:

    http://www.theurbanpolitico.com/2010/04/10-reasons-why-sister-named-ann-claire.html

    http://www.theurbanpolitico.com/2009/09/serena-williams-channels-her-inner.html

    http://www.theurbanpolitico.com/2012/08/gabby-douglas-olympic-history-and.html#more

    http://www.theurbanpolitico.com/2013/01/obama-and-white-male-power-structure.html

    http://www.theurbanpolitico.com/2012/10/by-way-binders-full-of-women-is.html#more

    [Janitor] Is somehow a chauvinist who hates black women then I’d like to see their reasoning. The only thing you’d find is a post where he disagreed on perspective… and if the post is examined, folks would see where the REAL issues lies.

    That’s all. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on that, if you have any. If not, no worries.

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  232. @ Truth P.

    If I may, you seem to be overlooking a huge glaring inconsistency. This Sotomayor character said, and I quote:

    “The majority of black women are pure evil”

    But then in the very next breath you cast aspersions about me based on an article written by Muslim Bushido where she says, and I quote:

    “I generally don’t read anything written by African-American (AA) males. Because the vast majority of AA males are useless, conquered slaves who aren’t doing anything of any real value.”

    WHAT???? How can you justify what Muslim Bushido said yet take issue with what Sotomayor said. That is the definition of hypocrisy.

    Abagond was correct; they (people like Sotomayor and people like Muslim Bushido) are both equally as destructive to the Black Community. There’s no positivity in saying that the majority of Black men or the majority of Black women are evil/useless. What kind of crap is that?

    The truth of the matter is, Sotomayor and Muslim Bushido were both wrong.

    For the record, as Shady Grady and Fed UP have accurately pointed out, I actually love Black women. Contrary to Muslim Bushido’s flawed logic, I do not hate all Black women simply because I disagreed with the admin at whataboutourdaughters.com. That’s a ridiculous argument that I shouldn’t even have to acknowledge. If I disagreed with the admin of that blog then I simply disagreed with her. Period. Full stop. To say — as Muslim Bushido did — that I somehow hate all Black women because I disagreed with one Black woman is illogical on levels that I can’t even comprehend.

    You do yourself a disservice to cite to such articles as actually having the ability to provide any persuasive authority on this subject.

    Let’s do better, folks.

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  233. @TrojanPam

    Book #1

    The Rape of the Mind: The Psychology of Thought Control, Menticide, and Brainwashing by Joost A. M. Meerloo

    “SINCE 1933, when a completely drugged and trial-conditioned human wreck confessed to having started the Reichstag fire in Berlin, Dr. Joost A. M. Meerloo has studied the methods by which systematic mental pressure brings people to abject submission, and by which totalitarians imprint their subjective “truth” on their victims’ minds. The first two and one-half years of World War II, Dr. Meerloo spent under the pressure of Nazi-occupied Holland, witnessing at firsthand the Nazi methods of mental torture .on more than one occasion. During this time he was able to use his psychiatric and psychoanalytic knowledge to treat some of the victims. Then, after personal experiences with enforced interrogation, he escaped from a Nazi prison and certain death to England, where he was able, as Chief of the Psychological Department of the Netherlands Forces, to observe and study coercive methods officially. In this capacity he had to investigate not only traitors and collaborators, but also those members of the Resistance who had gone through the utmost of mental pressure. It was Dr. Meerloo WHO COINED the word menticide, the killing of the spirit, for this peculiar crime. And in The Rape of the Mind he goes far beyond the direct military implications of mental torture to describing how our own culture unobtrusively shows symptoms of pressurizing people’s minds. He presents a systematic analysis of the methods of brainwashing and mental torture and coercion, and shows how totalitarian strategy, with its use of mass psychology, leads to systematized “rape of the mind.” He describes the new age of cold war with its mental terror, verbocracy, and semantic fog, the use of fear as a tool of mass submission and the problem of treason and loyalty, so loaded with dangerous confusion. The Rape of the Mind is written for the interested layman, not only for experts and scientists. Contents: Part One: The Techniques of Individual Submission. 1. You Too Would Confess. 2. Pavlov’s Students as Circus Tamers. 3. Medication into Submission. 4. Why Do They Yield? The Psychodynamics of False Confession. Part Two: The Techniques of Mass Submission. 5. The Cold War against the Mind. 6. Totalitaria and its Dictatorship. 7. The Intrusion by Totalitarian Thinking. 8. Trial by Trial. 9. Fear as a Tool of Terror. Part Three: Unobtrusive Coercion. 10. The Child is Father to the Man. 11. Mental Contagion and Mass Delusion. 12. Technology Invades Our Minds. 13. Intrusion by the Administrative Mind. 14. The Turncoat in Each of Us. Part Four: In Search of Defenses. 15. Training Against Mental Torture. 16. Education for Discipline or Higher Morale. 17. From Old to New Courage. 18. Freedom — Our Mental Backbone”

    The heavy use of strong weed by black men has helped make their minds “flexible” to absorb the messages from repetitive listening to and viewing of hip hop music and You Tube videos. This carves the messages that black women and girls are hoes and b*tches into their minds like the grooves in a phonograph record.

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    Book #2

    Getting Played: African America Girls, Urban Inequality, and Gendered Violence by Jody Miller

    “Miller gives us a detailed examination of the violence experienced by Black inner city girls whose victimization is based on multiple dimensions of their lives: because they are Black, because they live in extremely disadvantaged neighborhoods, and because they are women. Miller’s careful, rich, detailed field work documents and analyzes the complex realities of these young women’s lives that set the context for the struggles they routinely contend with. The voices of these young people have been ignored for too long. Getting Played has given them an opportunity to be heard that is long overdue.”
    -Robert Crutchfield,University of Washington
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    Book #3

    Games People Play: The Basic Handbook of Transactional Analysis.
    by Eric Berne

    “Forty years ago, Games People Play revolutionized our understanding of what really goes on during our most basic social interactions. More than five million copies later, Dr. Eric Berne’s classic is as astonishing–and revealing–as it was on the day it was first published.
    We play games all the time–sexual games, marital games, power games with our bosses, and competitive games with our friends. Detailing status contests like “Martini” (I know a better way), to lethal couples combat like “If It Weren’t For You” and “Uproar,” to flirtation favorites like “The Stocking Game” and “Let’s You and Him Fight,” Dr. Berne exposes the secret ploys and unconscious maneuvers that rule our intimate lives.
    Explosive when it first appeared, Games People Play is now widely recognized as the most original and influential popular psychology book of our time. It’s as powerful and eye-opening as ever.”

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    Book #4

    Whispers of Betrayal: Black Women in Crisis by Jefferey McGill

    “Whispers of Betrayal Black Women in Crisis presents many thoughts that black women think but are reluctant to speak.Black people are an enigma to other races in society. Why can’t Blacks get their act together and vanquish their legacy of dependency on other races. Black women have had to carry the weight of her race hoping that Black men will eventually display the strength she has had to summon to sustain herself, her children and the dignity and respect of Black people when it is obvious that Black men have lost the will to fight the good fight. Black men are deserting Black women for women of other races.In doing so, Black men surrenders their ethnicity, pride and will to triumph over the evils embedded in corruption and vice of the new world order.”

    Each on of these four books has been very helpful.

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  234. @ trojan pam

    maybe child support has a little to do with it, as i do hear men complaining about it and being mad at black women about it. That is minor compared to how they are always going on about how black women don’t do xyz and we don’t listen. That is what i mostly hear, the child support thing i see mostly comes up when they break up or divorce. whereas the other things are present before, during, and after the relationship. I think the major problem between black women and black men is…COMMUNICATION. lets break this word down the word commun means to To be in a state of intimate, heightened sensitivity and receptivity, So to be able to communicate you need intimacy, you need to receive and be sensitive to what the other person is saying to you. It seems intimacy and sensitivity is what is lacking, and without those two things there is no effective communication. I either see people shouting at ,each other or not understanding what was said and attacking someone because of what they THOUGHT they said. On the internet its real easy to take someone’s words as negative when they were really just being sarcastic or satire.

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  235. @Mstoogood4yall; You are such a bright mature young woman. I hope you find your soulmate to compliment you.

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  236. @ mary

    aw thanks 😉 i hope u do as well if u haven’t already.

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  237. ” I do wonder if BWE are as vicious as their men counterparts.”

    You don’t have to wonder do a quick google search on BWE members who call for black men to be killed.Do a search on BWE members who have had black men and boys killed or raped and then celebrated it.The most that these women have ever said is that black men collectively are not interested in the issues that affect black women and girls nor is the black community.The black community seeks to protect defend and uplift it’s sacred cow Black men while using black women and girls for their time and other resources and to divest and develop mutually beneficial relationships with quality people in general.

    The so called hatred that BWE members spew is nothing compared to a black man trying to socially isolate and annihilate black women and girls who seek refuge away from a community filled with people that hate them and view them as disposable.They do these things on all levels.My advice to any black woman is to be suspicious of black men as you are of white people.It is them going around telling non black people that black women are trash and deserve to be treated as such.It is them intending to sway non black men from dating and marrying black women even as they proclaim to the world that they don’t even want us.That’s HATRED.

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  238. @Matari

    “Because of the truthfulness of how sick and broken we collectively are, that there are people, us, that are in relationships that are very f’ed up – and stuck in them because we do not know how to think, or know how to think well enough of ourselves – that we deserve better.”

    “A father is responsible for showing his daughter how any man who is interested in her is supposed to treat her. Too many women aren’t getting that memo because dads are coming up short. That’s sad – on so many levels.”

    “People treat you as you teach them to treat you – or show them the door!”

    Thank you! =D

    @TrojanPam

    “I was stunned, angered and frightened because I couldn’t help but remember all the times as a young black female that I had been put in this position in real life — by both black male acquaintances AND by strangers who were taking out their fear and frustration on me.

    I have been cursed at, threatened, hit, kicked, defamed, disrespected more times than I can count JUST for being black and female and being on a public street or riding public transportation. I’m not sharing this as a toe of WOE (oh, poor me) I’m making a POINT.”

    I have had several guys disregard my personal space, I feel emotionally raped because I am powerless in such situtions. To argue with them only creates a few good lol’s for their homeboys and to paraphrase the saying,”never argue with a fool, cause from afar people can’t tell which is which,”no one is going to side with me. And in each incident, for me, each one was a dark-skin Black male who came at me in that manner. YET, I never took to Youtube like Sotomayor and made videos targeting dark-skin Blacks of the opposite gender. I never claimed a majority of dark-skin Black males are creeps. And lucky for me, my male relatives that are dark-skin don’t act as foolishly, they may not be saints or have a perfect personal life, some of them, but they are not acting a fool on the streets, committing crime or beating women.

    All I can do is shake my head.

    I feel sorry for the dark-skin Black men who ARE respectful enough not to touch a fellow female on the street innappropriately. To take it further, I feel sorry cause all the a**holes who happen to be the same complexion help justify the stereotype of Black men – specifically dark-skin, cause darker skin men and women are feared and repulsed by more – as sex-driven, thugs and barbaric.

    The innocent Black men are gathered up and thrown in jail by the system or killed off by the jealousy and lack of ambition by their fellow Black men or even bitter Black women.

    ——

    “Black males like Sotomayor are creating a BLACK FEMALE SCAPEGOAT SCENARIO by putting a BLACK FEMALE FACE on everything that angers black males — and in essence are GIVING BLACK MALES PERMISSION TO DEGRADE AND HARM AND KILL BLACK FEMALES

    and the white supremacy system created this NEED via the gangsta rap, TV, movies, etc that shows a DEGRADED AND UGLY IMAGE of black females, in particular, the DARK-SKINNED BLACK FEMALE

    and sadly, many black males — even those with dark-skinned mothers, daughters, sisters, etc

    HAVE BOUGHT RIGHT INTO IT and instead of FOCUSING on the REAL PROBLEM: RACISM/WHITE SUPREMACY —

    it is NOT black females that have eliminated black males from the workforce, or who have unjustly incarcerated them, or who have pumped 50 bullets into their unarmed bodies, or who have allowed the Zimmermans to murder black people and walk free.

    YET some black males show MORE HATRED for black females than for the white people who are HARMING THEM”

    This sexism that is occurring is hurting Black people as a whole, providing an obstacle in strengthening our communities.
    But now that I look at it, sexism probably was around before racism. We as women are an afterthought. Look at religion, christianity says God made us AFTER man, yet WE have the womb to carry one. We helped create sin. Islam wants us to cover up like we are the problem for a man who clearly needs to learn self-control.

    Each race places great pride in their sons.

    It’s bad enough that as a whole we face racism, then we as women face sexism.

    @Mstoogood4yall

    “Its amazing how we focus on the little issues[colorism,weave,etc] instead of the bigger ones[white supremacy, creating black businesses,black schools closing etc] that contribute to the little issues. A lot ove arguing over superficial thins. I’m like this i don’t care what u have on your head, i care about what’s in your head. I don’t care about what skin tone you are i care about black people. If i’m going into battle i want trustworthy people standing beside me, regardless of hair texture,skin tone or income. If we on the same page which is dismantling the glass ceiling white supremacy creates, being pro black, and supporting black businesses i don’t care what you look like.”

    Racism is bad for Blacks. Sexism is bad for Black women. Then we have colorism…

    Which Sotomayor implies works for Black men. Dark-skin men are masculine, mandingos, “soldiers” and light-skin men are pretty, lover boys that make babies with “good hair,” lol.

    I am a dark-skin woman. I do like to hear support for dark-skin women due to the history oppression we faced.

    I recall in a Sotomayor video, him saying dark-skin women like when they are praised but it’s a problem when light-skin women are praised, even when some light-skin when come to the defense of dark-skin women.

    Interesting observation, never thought of that before.

    But at the end of the day, people can tell me how they “love chocolate” and “dark-skin sistas,” I could give two rats’ behinds, lol. Why?

    What matters is ME – the individual. Is a person into me and not checking for ALL the sistas or whatever person tickles their fancy?

    The hair issue, the “hair hat hooligans,” lol, smh…sigh. That’s me in my avatar, that’s my natural hair – no relaxer, but not hair color, it did have some dye – but I don’t look like that at this moment. I dabble with wigs. Got one in every length and color but no I don’t walk around looking like an extra from the film “BAPS” or a Nicki Minaj stunt double. The one I wear now is ombre, mostly blond and straight.

    It’s not “some white girl’s hair,” one – Indian women’s hair is used for straight or wavy human hair, let’s give credit where it’s due cause not all White people are Rapunzel, two – my wig is synthetic, lol.

    To have to actually feel GUILT when I want to wear something that is not my natural hair, to be accused of trying to be White (like they have some monopoly on straight, wavy or blond hair, smh), to believe people of other races think Black women are bald, that we are “nappy-headed” or as Latinos say “malo pelo” (Sotomayor is Latin as well), that I’m militant if I wear my hair as is with no styling or product…seriously?

    Years ago I told a friend, our main problem as Blacks is our hair, cause we are the majority with kinky hair – it sets us apart from everyone else. There are Indian people and aboriginals darker than me and they face racism like Blacks and will get called the N-word like one, so skin color is not the big problem. But many of them have wavy hair. And “Jew fro” is nothing like my fro. That’s a whole new topic.

    But you are right, if you’re Black, you’re Black. Let’s find a solution instead of nitpicking about the superficial like chicks at a high school lunch room table. All it does is gas up other races and give them more reasons to pity us as a whole. These youtube Black gender war rants are ridiculous, other races don’t care to respect us when we barely care to respect each other.

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  239. Misstoogood..

    Thank you for acknowledging that lighter women do stick up for darker women. I see it all of the time. We should support each other in sisterhood, regardless of hue.

    Peanut,

    You are not light. You made the rude comment toward light women, which excludes you from the criticism. And please don’t dismiss my feelings by telling me to “get over it”. You rant and rave about things and no one tells you that. See the hypocrisy?

    Whoever is bashed more, it doesn’t even the score by bashing someone else. You may feel better for doing so, but what does it really accomplish? I could easily lash out of blondes because they are universally revered, but why? I judge each person individually rather than putting everyone all in the same box. Isn’t that how you want people to judge dark/black women?

    As long as someones words, comment and/or actions hurt or offend someone else, it is not unfair to speak out on their behalf, regardless of how they are perceived by others.

    If you really want things to change, then be the change. Don’t become like the very people that you despise. Don’t give Tommy any more material.

    And yes, I have spoken out for darker women. I would just like the same in return.

    Thanks for the apology. Moving on!

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  240. @ my $0.02

    I think your hair looks great in that pic. I don’t think there is anything wrong with wearing wigs some wear it has a protective style. The issue i have is when women say they NEED a wig, weave, or, relaxer to feel feminine. Our hair is unique, different from everybody else, i think that is a good thing. Yes its hard dealing with the stares and things but we are different from everybody because we are special. I’m transitioning to natural right now, after a couple years of a relaxer because my aunt put it in my hair and said i NEED something in my hair. That is what i’m against, is putting relaxer in young girls hair, or telling people they need their hair done a certain way for it to be acceptable. I say forget it, if i have to conform to be accepted by you, you might as well just go on somewhere else because i’m not changing.

    @ peanut
    Yes i notice they make movies showing unattractive, overweight, neck rolling, dark skinned women, while the light skinned women play roles where they are beautiful, sexy,etc. The messed up thing is they even have black men dressing up as black women and portraying those stereotypes. I don’t see black women dressing up as men and portraying stereotypes about them. This is why i don’t waste my money at the movie theater, because these people clown for money. They are the new slaves, shucking and jiving for some money and a pat on the head from white folks. Most of black hollywood is like that, only the older ones in hollywood aren’t as messed up but even some of them clown sometimes.
    as for as the black male privilege some will deny it, but it exists. Its the same way a man can sleep with different women and be the man while if a woman did the same, she’s called a h0. Black men have people protesting, signing petitions, and marching, when something happens to them. But when its dark skinned black women not much of a peep from anybody. I read about a case where a black girl was shot by her white supremacists neighbor and he said he was cleaning his gun and it went off, nothing happened, the family reached out to al sharpton *crickets*. For a black man killed al is permed, washed, and rollerset and ready for the camera. These same people wonder why some black women left and joined the feminist movement, duh if a woman isn’t being satisfied she goes elsewhere. what u don’t do somebody else will. But no we need our own organization where there is no sexism, racism, or colorism, but justice, love, and ,solidarity.

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  241. No peanut there is no light skinned rasputia or big momma, at the same time black women need to stop watching this mess vote with our dollar. Some are still asleep and see no harm in it, i admit i used to watch madea, but now i don’t since i’ve started to awaken. The funny thing to me is how some black men will say black women emasculate them when they emasculate themselves by doing drag for a laugh and a quick buck. They feminizing themselves, just go to youtube and most of the black males with top views either dress in drag or are gay. Black people are not united that is why whites can get away with casting people who are lighter than the character described in the books. I remember that acura commercial and the casting people asked for a light skinned friendly man to play the car salesman, now if black people were united no black person would’ve auditioned for that role. But we gotta eat so there will always be a black person willing to accept a role that they shouldn’t have. THis is why black businesses are important, if we controlled that we wouldn’t have as many blacks shucking and jivin to whites for a job. BLack actresses have to choose between their dignity and money all the time, most rarely find a way to satisfy both so they gotta choose. They got bills and mouths to feed, so we know which choice they have to eventually make.

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  242. on Fri Jul 5th 2013 at 04:45:55 Jittery Junebug

    Satanforce:

    “Its a good thing that he has buried these videos on his many channels, and has failed to organize them using one channel and many playlists. Next thing you know people start believing this shit.

    Black men like myself have found out how to deal with black women. Right now, she’s just waking up, and I’m all out of lube! Bitch driving around in her Range Rover, working at a job that rightfully be mine. If this was 30 years ago, I would have had been her place, now the world is upside-down. This is black women’s fault, service based economy be damned. What needs to be done is for a system to be put in place that benefits black men economically. We can’t look into ourselves and find the answers, or any of that PhoebePrunelle crap trying to analyze Tommy. Studying , analysis, honest introspection and humility is not the answer. Sodomizing black women till they cry is.”

    How facetiously macabre of you.

    Honestly, after reading the comments under this blog post, the comments under accompanying TSotomayor videos, and the comments under any post/video that attempts to diagnose the Black community, I don’t think (this is strictly opinion) Black people can have an effective conversation about Black relationships or the state of Black people living in the U.S.

    Why? Look at the comments. How did an analysis of TSototmayor’s videos turn into an exchange about colorism and who ages better? This is one of the many deviations I see whenever there is a conversation about Black relationships and the Black community. I understand how it is an issue, but honestly, in trying to get Black women to unite, how does an exchange about who ages better aid anything? Also, I’ve noticed that whenever a conversation about Black men in relationships with non-Black women comes up, some Black women and an even smaller number of Black male commentors will make the argument that Black women look better and age better than their non-Black female counterparts so it makes no sense for Black males to date non-Black females. And then of course those who disagree with the latter. I always hate that rebuttal because aren’t we trying to move away from being objectified and seen for only our aesthetic value? I’m not saying that I don’t find those videos painful, because I do. But I find the responses just as painful. I’ve noticed this about Black males too in some of these conversations. They will point out the perceived superior physical aesthetics of black men that make them extremely appealing to all women and therefore they don’t have to restrict their dating pool to Black women, if at all. Again, as with the Black women, isn’t the goal to be with someone who genuinely shares an interest in you?

    Another reason why I don’t think we can have an effective conversation about Black relationships because the same ‘the problem is not being able to discipline your kids -insert anecdote about neighbors and teachers whipping you-‘, ‘white supremacist invisible chokehold’, ‘feminist movement tainted you’, ‘you spoil the wrong -insert gender-‘, ‘non-black -insert gender- is better at -insert grocery list-‘, ‘you’re brainwashed’, ‘why can’t you see my pain, even though I proclaim to see yours’ tit-for-tat diatribe. Example, the comments under the Black Boys Rock pt. 1 video of TSotomayor’s. The number one comment is (and this paraphrased) that Black women can’t express humility. Does anyone watch football and/or basketball?

    When we talk about Black relationships, Black men will focus on the failures of Black women and Black women will focus on the failures of Black men. Tit for tat again, lacking honest introspection. When we talk about Black female relationship statistics, we also have to talk about Black male relationship statistics. Both Black females and males have about the same “will never marry” statistic, at about 42-44%. So when I see the juxtaposition of Black males in suits discussing “Why most Black women are single” (Of course I’m talking about on Youtube) and they don’t touch on this fact, and many proclaimed good black men cosign, I can’t help but sigh. I also think, that even though this is a Black issue, it’s really not. Based on what I’ve read and seen, men in general are disenchanted with the idea of relationships and marriage. Relationships in the U.S. seem toxic, so what exactly is fostering that? I do not know. The exchanges between Black people on Youtube and boards like this become tension-filled and a lot of times vocal/written shouting matches. But this isn’t exclusive to Black issues. Look at the political climate. I’m from Illinois and one of the most anticipated races was that between Tammy Duckworth and Joe Walsh. If anyone saw these debates, they would see how far from respectful intellectual discourse American society has moved. Also, the idea that certain movements and “entitlements” have facilitated the rift between Black women and men is not a sentiment exclusive to Black people.

    I would also like to make this point. While I don’t understand why some of us can’t stand being around each other, I think our failures and are grossly exaggerated. While I know some, maybe a lot of you, think that integration was the worst thing to happen, I respectfully disagree. It’s difficult to say integration was the worst thing to happen, but then turn around and use statistics that support the idea that Black women are getting post secondary degrees and higher paying jobs, when more likely than not, these things are happening in a mostly White/lessly (not a word, noted) Black setting. Also, for those that say Black women focus on this too much, can’t scrutinize this as a weakness in black women but applaud it in Black men. (Congrats to both). Back to my point, I would make the argument, that while the statistics don’t make us “model minority” material, they do align with generational progress. A generation is approximately 25 years, and integration (Brown v Board) is about 60 years old. Progress is often seen generations later, not
    seconds later. I just think it’s not as bleak as it’s often made out to be.

    I would like genuine support for both Black women and men. The absence of Black women in conversations about social racism is abhorrent. I went to the rallies for the Jena 6 and Trayvon Martin. I went to an open forum about the Henry Louis Gates incident and listened to a collective engagement about stereotypes against black men. I’ve attended open forums about the school-prison pipeline that sets black males up for failure. I’ve signed countless petitions and attended open forums condemning Mayor Bloomberg’s ‘stop and frisk’. Even though I don’t live in NYC, these ideas eventually get swept into the conversations of other major cities like the one I live in. I signed petitions to get prosecutors to take a second look at the Troy Davis case. I went to open forums about the social implications of the Troy Davis case. Hell, I wrote a letter to Obama. But when it comes to cases like that of Rekia Boyd, I have to go on almost underground blogs to even know about it. I’m especially ashamed because I live in the same city as Rekia Boyd did. There was this story (and I wanna smack myself for forgetting the website) where these two black women had been incarcerated for I think two decades for stealing a pack of cigarettes or something trivial like that. And I think it was in the South. The moderators of the sight were urging people to call the state legislator and spread the word about them because I think one of them was extremely ill, near death. This conversation needs to be extended to include Black women. But when it’s passively dismissed as “well it doesn’t happen as often as it does to black men”, it makes my heart ache. There have been two incidences in my city where a black girl was gang raped, one of the girls being handicapped. I’ve read stories about this happening in Texas too. Jesse and Al came to the rescue of the Black women in the Duke and NYC case (I can’t remember her name but she said the police gang raped her), even though the cases were dismissed. Why are they absent now? Are they worried about putting their name on the line again for a potential liar or is it because these cases involve black perpetrators and not white ones? In general in American culture, we ask, well what did you do? What did you wear? Why were you out that time of day? So it’s not surprising that these stories don’t become as popular, but where is the support? Because at the end of the day, a man is still a man. (-Insert ‘not all, just some’ blanket statement-).

    This is why I’m choosing the solution that I am. To Satanforce’s “We can’t look into ourselves and find the answers, or any of that PhoebePrunelle crap trying to analyze Tommy. Studying , analysis, honest introspection and humility is not the answer. Sodomizing black women till they cry is”, I think I get what you are doing. I really do. Studying, analysis, honest introspection and humility is the answer. It always is. But the fact that black humor (how ironic, right?) such as “sodomizing black women till they cry is” is used to make perhaps the most viable solution to this ‘gender war’, is why I’m choosing a life of solitude.

    I will say apologies to Abagond, in becoming an unintended target of many of the frustrations of some of the women. Nothing against the women either, I get it. But this blind spot compared to the other insightful pieces I’ve read on here isn’t punishable by character assassination, in my opinion.

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  243. Yes throwing dark skinned women under the bus is a contradiction, how can people say black is beautiful without the black? wtf madness i tell u. same thing with the whole pretty for a dark skinned girl really? without dark skinned girls there would be no other races or shades of black. SO for people to hate on that they hate themselves and especially where they come from. as i imagine having a dark skinned mother would put a damper on ones aspiration to be white or white identified. ITs a shame to see hair magazines and hair products like carols daughter have all their spokesperson be light skinned mixed women when they started off with darker black women as their base. I have no issue with having light or mixed people but don’t forget who was ur loyal customers. i wihs they have light skinned, brown skinned, and dark skinned represented equally in hair magazines, movies,etc. i think every girl deserves to see women that look like her in magazines and movies that way she thinks wow i can do that too. When we mostly have white women and mixed women to see in these things a lot of us strive to be that way. and little girls think what is wrong with me why don’t i look like that, i need to look like that to achieve their success. I just want them to know they don’t have to which is why they need people like them representing. when dark skinned girls see tv they see overweight, unattractive, attitude having women, when they see movies they see light skinned and white women being loved by handsome men, when they see hair magazines they see mixed women with curly wavy hair, they turn on the radio and its people rapping about light skinned women and dogging dark skinned women. THis is why i encourage people to turn that mess off and read books, because books have dark skinned female characters in all their glory, beauty and class. ITs a shame that the only form of positive entertainment for dark skinned girls is if they read a book and get a positive message about someone that looks like them. But that is the way it is……for now.

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  244. Good night peanut and all, I’ll be back on sunday night, because i’m going to Louisiana tomorrow to visit family. recharge and get away from all this does the body good lol so have a good weekend *hugs& kisses*

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  245. Thanks peanut ok im really done after this ;). yeah carols daughter had solange but she left them, now they still have cassie and selita. here’s an article on it http://www.whataboutourdaughters.com/waod/2011/5/4/carols-daughter-hates-black-women-why-no-self-respecting-bla.html

    its a shame they don’t have darker skinned black women representing, like one commenter said “I can only hope (that with this backlash) she at least favors other hues and shades of us in her ads. I get that these three ladies are spokespersons (even the one with only a half a head of hair *side-eye to that*)”

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  246. I use bee mine hair products they work great for me they are having a 4th of july sale til the 6th 20%off with the coupon code Bee4th, i placed another order with them, ok goodnight lol

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  247. @ THE ALCHEMIST

    Thanks for the book list, will check it out

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  248. Peanut,

    You are on some sort of mission with an agenda. I refuse to be anyone’s scapegoat. Good luck with that. End of discussion.

    $0.02. Your post makes a lot of sense and gives some understanding to your experience. We all have issue to deal with, it is about trying to understand the others experiences.

    “I recall in a Sotomayor video, him saying dark-skin women like when they are praised but it’s a problem when light-skin women are praised, even when some light-skin when come to the defense of dark-skin women.

    Interesting observation, never thought of that before.”

    I see plenty of light women coming to the defense of and praising dark women. But it is not always reciprocated. The point is, I don’t care how light a black person is, none of us are white. Whites have real privilege and power. Meanwhile, we are still stuck putting each other down with petty, high school comments. Getting nowhere. There are colorism issues with Indians, Asians and Latinos. But none of those groups are as divisive, competitive or mean spirited as us.

    This is depressing. Good luck to everyone!

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  249. @Abgond, @Peanut

    You might want to be careful about watching too many of Sotomayor/misogynoirist YT videos. Your innate biases as a black male make your mind welcoming to the contempt, hatred, and dehumanization of black women that he pedals.

    Sexual assault, childhood rape, domestic violence, colorism are key issues for black women. These issues are not just gendered but very racial. Addressing these issues would require looking critically at black male privilege. Most black males cannot conceive of themselves as victims AND victimizers. After suffering for hundreds of years, many black males can see no suffering except their own. No matter what happens they are ALWAYS THE ONLY victims. The black male collective relates to black women and others in a very narcissistic way. Past and present injustices justify their right to functions outside of any sort of just ethical/moral framework. In other words, they have given themselves a “Black Male Victimhood Pass”. This pass allows the bearer the right to rape, murder, sexually/financially exploit, menace, degrade and emotionally neglect black women and black children who do not play-their-positions or if the bearer (BMV) is bored. They are blinded by their own anger at not receiving the full patriarchal goody bag at birth. The blood in the streets that belongs to their mothers, sisters, and daughters goes unnoticed. Perhaps the blood has been there for so long its existence no longer registers as unusual by black males and many black females.

    Lundy Bancroft describes the con games and tricks used by emotionally abuse man in detail in his book “Why Does He Do That?”

    _____________________
    The late poet Pat Parker:

    Brother
    I don’t want to hear
    about
    how my real enemy
    is the system
    I’m no genius,
    but I do know
    the system
    you hit me with
    is called
    a fist.
    _______________________
    “What do you do with men of color who menace women of color in a world where people of color are oppressed.”
    —-Religious Scholar Maryviolet C. Burns

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  250. @BeautyWOC @Peanut

    Please stop gaslighting Peanut and drowning this comment thread in high yellow tears. You insist on manufacturing your own victimization by Peanut and trying to place your “struggle” at the center of the narrative; Sotomayor’s demonization of black women especially dark skinned women. God forbid dark skinned women get the mic.

    You are entitled to rant and rave in this comment thread without the fear of being called a stereotype that will confirm Sotomayor’s biases. With this knowledge of your light skin privilege acting as a shield you attack attack and attack Peanut. Daring her to respond forcefully least she be the angry ghetto hood rat and prove Sotomayor right about dark skinned women.This gaslighting of Peanut by you and is a skin tone racist act. BeautyWOC you are a practitioner of skin tone racism. Darker skinned women will defend ourselves and bucks and bucks of entitled high yellow tears won’t fill our lungs and silence us.

    I’m not Peanut

    Expect no apologies.

    Your game has been peeped.

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  251. on Fri Jul 5th 2013 at 09:28:44 Jittery Junebug

    @Beautywoc:

    “And yes, I have spoken out for darker women. I would just like the same in return.”

    I think when darker women return the sentiment, it’s seen as a statement of self-hate. If a darker man says, “I think light skinned women are beautiful,” and ends the sentence there, there’s this collective side-eye. Even if he doesn’t say that’s his preference or “more beautiful,” it’s taken as a proclamation of self-hate because I think a lot of us are used to hearing black men we come in contact with express a preference for lighter skinned women (whether its through his words or actions).

    So when someone like me, who is as dark as night, expresses how gorgeous I think Lauren London is (seriously, I would give one of my ovaries just to have her dimples), it’s interpreted as self-hate because I am the antithesis of her. I think the same would happen if a lighter girl would say the same thing about London, and not have a follow up statement like “but all Black girls, regardless of skin tone are beautiful.”

    But when I express how gorgeous I think Gabrielle Union is (at 40 she’s killing it, at 23 I’m still acneing it), the side-eye doesn’t happen because although I am the antithesis of her too, we do share a dark skin tone.

    I think this mainly stems from always having to qualify are blackness. Female and male. Light and dark. Whether its the situation described above, or when academically serious Black males get chided for being “nerds”. Even when it’s an innocent joke, I have seen the Black dudes I went to school with internalize this and act hyper-masculine because of it. Or when Black girls, light and dark, sound like “Becky”. (Ya know, when every sentence ends like a question?) Or when Black people choose not to got to predominately Black colleges (getting that white man’s education, or so I’ve heard). I hope explained this good enough.

    But yeah.This is just what I think.

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  252. on Fri Jul 5th 2013 at 09:45:20 Jittery Junebug

    @phoebeprunelle

    Great commentary and analysis. I didn’t know that about the CDC and Harlem case. I knew those numbers were skewed, most likely due to an outlier case, but I didn’t know the source. Thank you so much for sharing that. I seriously have to go on a research hunt right now.

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  253. “we’ll never get over anything, until people acknowledge their privilege. until black men acknowledge their privilege for being male and until light-skinned black women acknowlede their privilege”

    @Peanut exactly what will this solve?Do you really think that black men don’t know this already?Why haven’t you accepted that black men view themselves as being competition with black women?Why are you worried about togetherness so much?

    I have no fear about African Americans going “extinct” in America.I believe this fear is what is stopping many black American women from having a better quality of life.Why is it so hard to bear the thought of African Americans not existing anymore? Why do so many African American women have this fear and not black men? You should consider yourself blessed really.There have been other groups who have had self hating men sell them out and the women went out in a really bad way.At least as African American women we can do many things to have a good quality of life in spite of the fate of African American people as a group.I’m very thankful for that.We could be slaves.

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  254. To my great lack of surprise the women are reacting emotionally. IMO,Sotomayor is simply the voice of a BM frustrated by BW due to the prevailing genderscape. He’s attacking the TENDENCIES of many BW the masculinised behaviour , hoism and selfcenteredness and the skewed laws that encourage these pathologies.
    Also this new woman friendly socio-legal sphere is of course obviously misandrous while it must always be remembered that BW have more testerone than WW or AW. Of course they will be more aggressive due to their blood chemistry and the new cultural memes that encourages such public displays of ‘strength.’

    “… and is written in their blood chemistry. Its not smaller waists,bigger asses and plumper lips but in the causes of these physiological differences-testosterone.”
    http://karanjazplace.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-difference-between-black-white.html

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  255. Of course they will be more aggressive due to their blood chemistry and the new cultural memes that encourages such public displays of ‘strength.’

    Got any real medical sources on that one…?

    I’ll wait patiently…

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  256. @ Peanut

    Do I have blind spots caused by my sexism? Yes. Was this a screwed-up post? Yes. Should I learn more about Black Women Studies? Yes. But do I think black women are too ugly to rape or look like monkeys? No way! If I said anything like that it was in talking about white views, certainly not mine. Please do not put words in my mouth.

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  257. @ kay

    Can you say ignorant? Just because a blog is written about it does not make it true. Just makes you the dumb azz to believe it and not challenge it. What challenge do you have for the fact that not all black women mimic the pictures or behaviors that blog describe? What medical reference indicates black women have more testosterone? Does thst mean this applies to white women shaped like these black women?

    As for tommy…..how can his response account for all black women? Seeing as he or people like him have not met all.

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  258. @kay: You are a huge RICHARD.

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  259. on Fri Jul 5th 2013 at 16:45:39 Lavern merriweather

    First of all to say that black women don’t bash black men and also bsah white males is complete bullcrap. I read a number of blogs by black women that claim to be about empowering women of color yet are very biased towards black males and very rarely criticize white men. Case in point all the stupid white males on late night tv would constantly bash Whitney Houston for her drug use yet have white females on their show who are crackheads. Black women said nothing black women rushed to speak out for Rhianna but were silent when Stacy Dash ex-husabnd who is white abused her during their brief marriage. Bottom line BOTH sides need to stop the petty sniping at each other because neither side is perfect. There are LOSER black women that are stupid,uneducated, foolish,have multiple babies daddies,are loud and ghetto,commit crimes and are digusting as all get out as there are black men. We should be working together instead of tearing each other down. And Robin Givens is a stupid, no talent, pathetic never was trying to stay relevant by whining for the past two decades over TWO men that don’t even want her ass anymore. She also brags about Brad Pitt when they have been over for a long time she needs to go crawl back under her rock and stay there.

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  260. @ THE ALCHEMIST

    who said: “After suffering for hundreds of years, many black males can see no suffering except their own. No matter what happens they are ALWAYS THE ONLY victims.

    The black male collective relates to black women and others in a very narcissistic way. Past and present injustices justify their right to functions outside of any sort of just ethical/moral framework. In other words, they have given themselves a “Black Male Victimhood Pass”.

    This pass allows the bearer the right to rape, murder, sexually/financially exploit, menace, degrade and emotionally neglect black women and black children who do not play-their-positions or if the bearer (BMV) is bored. They are blinded by their own anger at not receiving the full patriarchal goody bag at birth.

    The blood in the streets that belongs to their mothers, sisters, and daughters goes unnoticed. Perhaps the blood has been there for so long its existence no longer registers as unusual by black males and many black females.”

    ————

    This is the kind of TRUTH that many black females are afraid to express lest we appear to working “against the black male” and working on behalf of “the (white) man.”

    Black females largely remain silent in the face of so much collective black male abuse and ridicule OUT OF FEAR of alienating black males whose ties to black females are already so FRAGILE that just the least bit of LEGITIMATE CRITICISM may break them altogether

    BUT that is a RISK we must take because we cannot go on like this. We cannot continue to ALLOW the black female to be ANYONE’S punching bag YET expect her to raise (often alone) MENTALLY HEALTHY BLACK CHILDREN — who are the FUTURE of the black nation.

    Unfortunately, I have seen the attitudes you described above — of all my life, that black males are largely silent when it come to the abuse and degradation of black females YET expect the black female to make up the BLACK VANGUARD in those issues that primarily affect black males.

    Black girls and women’s abuse is always swept under the rug and just mentioning them is seen as DIVISIVE by those black males who believe that ONLY they are the real victims because in their minds ONLY men are important — let’s be real about that.

    This ATTEMPTED SEXISM (because REAL sexism requires REAL POWER) is something that seemed to take wings in the early sixties when white males like Daniel Moynihan cunningly blamed black females for the “emasculation” of black males RATHER than RIGHTFULLY blaming white people — and gave the poor oppressed black a NEW target for his frustration and rage:

    the black female

    I believe the NUMBNESS of black males toward black female suffering is NOT because they are heartless, but because they have been rendered POWERLESS during and after slavery to stop the abuse of their women and children that after a while, they began to NORMALIZE and INTERNALIZE the belief that the black female was NOT worthy of uplifting OR protecting because they had FAILED at doing it for so long.

    The ABNORMAL became NORMAL

    We all live under a white supremacy ANTI-FEMALE, ANTI-BLACK, and ANTI-BLACK FEMALE society, which has all but CRUSHED the ability to EMPATHIZE with the most DEGRADED PERSON in America: the black female, especially, the dark-skinned black female,

    And I see this lack of empathy that black females have for OTHER black females.

    I think you have dug DEEP in your analysis and have made some serious points worthy of extended food for thought

    I also believe that rather than always suggesting that black females do more INTERNAL work on ourselves (which most of us desperately need)

    black males need to DOUBLE their FOCUS on their OWN internal housekeeping

    we will NOT be able to solve the problem of eliminating racism/white supremacy without the black male AND black female working TOGETHER, so we better work on respecting, supporting, and valuing each other while we still have TIME.

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  261. Yet you expect me to take your comment serious when you did the exact thing you were preaching to other black people to stop doing. Smh. LOL

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  262. Last comment was @ Lavern

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  263. Thank you, TrojanPam for all your comments here. Just thank you.

    It needs to be said again and again that is is white males crafting everyone else’s narratives that is the real problem. They do this because they are the ones who benefit when the people they are oppressing are all at each others throats. They will craft stories, lies and histories to divide everyone into the smallest possible groups and then set them on each other. I feel like they’ve thoroughly succeeded with black folk and Sotomayor is a prime example of that success as he has definitely drank the purple Kool-aid.

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  264. There are LOSER black women that are stupid,uneducated, foolish,have multiple babies daddies,are loud and ghetto,commit crimes and are digusting as all get out as there are black men.

    Hmmmmm…..that’s interesting because the majority of Black women i see when going to the market, restaurants, banks, department stores, seem to be normal and functional. Nor have i seen Black women pick fights or escalate a simple misunderstanding (other than on trashy t.v.).

    But let’s really dissect what you are saying–

    black women that are stupid,uneducated

    As with many Black people in the U.S., a quality education may be out of reach due to what resources they have access to or lack there of. Blacks who are in poverty or living in low income communities are not to blame. The unfair, unjust system of intentionally staffing unqualified teachers in public schools in urban areas, denying Black parents the right to a school voucher to send their kids to a school of their choice and steady hikes in college tuition just may be the culprit as to why YOU encounter “stupid” and “uneducated” Black women which is still very subjective depending on who you ask.

    foolish,have multiple babies daddies

    Again, “foolish” is subjective, but unless there is some case study to point where Black women deliberately seek out multiple men to father their children, pray tell. Oh… and the over-inflated 70% of Black children born out of wedlock meme doesn’t count. See TaNeishi Coats’ research about the matter.

    Besides that, i have not read anywhere on this thread where somebody has suggested that Black men don’t get their fair share of character assassination coming from a society that is schizophrenic, psychotic, anti-Black men, women and CHILDREN and family.

    While i am under no illusion that Black women or men are perfect, i am convinced that too many folk have a stake in our “staying in our place” including some “well-meaning Black folk” who post here.

    The simple solution: Functional, and healthy Black people who do not look to the sick media for validation or to understand Black people need to begin carving out our own communities for our collective well-beings.

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  265. @Truth P.
    “@Temple much of what people claim is BWE is not Bwe at all.”

    Thanks, I know the true mission of BWE & I have & will always support the health, welfare & safety of black women & girls.

    In my comment I was using Abagond’s BWE post to show his attempt to villanize BWE, while viewing Sotomayer as “just a man with thoughtful ideas.”

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  266. @ Truth P — great comment here. I agree.
    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/tommy-sotomayor/#comment-179476

    As usual, The Alchemist, I enjoy your intelligent comments.

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  267. @ phoebeprunelle

    Very well said as always.

    From what I have seen of those black women that people consider “uneducated”… they actually are not. unless by this the individual was refering to speaking proper english in which case i will say english is highly overrated.

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  268. “@ TheDeborahGirl and Probably Everyone Else

    I am sorry for the pain my sexist stupidity caused. I hope I can learn from this debacle.”

    THANK YOU (not yelling) for this, Abagond 😀 I hope that you will remain conscious of this going forward. This is what many women of color who have come to your blog have been attempting to get you to recognize. Some have left & some remain (I’m one who remains, though not as vocal as I once was). Please work with us on this.

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  269. If you must know Tommy nobody Sotowhateva is a demented, angry tragic dark skin negro who runs his mouth like a fucking fool. Not only that, he is at hypocrite. He is a very angry man, yet he calls black women angry. He’s basically a retard who’s pissed at his own mother because she gave him the dark black skin that he has. Self hating negro Uncle Tom and traitor is what he is. Not to mention he’s ignorant, and makes blanketed generalizations by saying all black women are this or that way. He’s also ugly and I doubt any woman white,black or purple would want him anyway. He has troubled relationships as well can’t keep a woman at all. I other words he’s a loser.

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  270. From laromana:

    I’m most impressed by all of the remarkable achievements BW have/have had in America because, from day one, EVERYONE in this culture has always mistreated/disrespected the humanity, dignity, and femininity of BW.

    I’m outraged/disgusted by the BW HATERS/BW hate culture BW have been forced to endure in America. That’s why I have such a high degree of contempt for ANTI-BW BM (like Tommy Sotomayor) who publicly promote/condone BW hate even though they OWE BW their lives/all due respect.  

    The lies, myths, and stereotypes BW HATERS/BW hate culture use to BRAINWASH all American men to hate/demean,degrade,disrespect them, doesn’t change the fact that BW are smart, beautiful, feminine, loving, loyal, wonderful human beings worthy of being treated with love, dignity, and respect.

    There are some American men/non-American men around the world who have chosen to reject BRAINWASHED ANTI-BW thinking and who are willing to love/cherish/care for/respect BW instead.

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  271. laromana

    I agree with you, but I still have to disagree with the belief that “some” men reject this thinking. More do than I think people are willing to give credit to.

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  272. After 59 years of life I agree with everything he’s sayinging and hating on me won’t fix there problem

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  273. @ V

    you are free to agree as you choose, but you can’t consider those who disagree with you as hating because they would be just pointing out the flaw in his and obviously your reasoning.

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  274. @ lkeke35

    I agree. And even when we know (or say we know) that the problem is WHITE PEOPLE — who CREATED and FINE-TUNED our inferiority mindsets, dark skin FETISHES, and DYSFUNCTIONAL ways of dealing with other, we still delight in bashing and arguing with each other.

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  275. @ sharina
    I see, so it MY thinking that’s flawed of course yours is perfect. Let’s forget what he says can all be proven and showned. I have an idea why don’t we overlook the facts and stats. And as the community dies you keep on being a “strong black woman” speaking of flawed.

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  276. @ V

    I don’t remember claiming my thinking to be perfect, but if you say so. So if what he says can be proven then prove it. Show me that all black women are like that. Show me all or the majority of black women acting like that? Show me the stats that support this. If you can show me this then by all means I will recant. “Strong black woman” I am that but I am many things as a woman, but nice of you to try and tell me what I am. It is so sweet that people try to debate by telling people what they think, are, or believe.

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  277. “After 59 years of life I agree with everything he’s sayinging and hating on me won’t fix there problem”

    @ V

    What will fix the problem then?

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  278. Has anyone seen UHeardMethe1sttime’s assessment of his fame? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilDBT8kIbHI)

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  279. @ Beautywoc

    “Peanut,

    You are not light. “

    1. No. Just no. You do not TELL people what they are, particularly just after they told you otherwise. Not only is it highly insulting, you have no way of knowing the truth. For all you know everyone here is an Argentinian midget. If she did say she was not light, then produce the quote and ask her about it. Otherwise let it be.

    2. It does not matter if she is light or dark or what. It might give insight into why she thinks as she does, but it hardly proves or disproves what she is saying. To think otherwise is an ad hominem fallacy.

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  280. @ Peanut

    “I am sorry that I put words in your mouth and i know you don’t mean to, but you do say some stuff about Black women that is very questionable and you keep doing it again and again. It’s like you won’t directly say things, but you’ll imply it.”

    Well, when I do it, point it out. That is part of why I allow comments.

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  281. will there ever be a post on the negative effects for black women defending and supporting black men? What sense does it make to down black women for being masculine but at the same time not have an issue with unarmed black women protesting on the front lines on behalf of a gunned down black man or boy before racist police officers with guns? What sense does it make for black men to even ask for black women to get involved in such activities?

    Why is it that black men have no issue with black women being argumentative loud cursing and yelling on their behalf, but when she is that way in defense of herself against someone who is attacking her it is an issue?

    why is that when black women fight for themselves because black men don’t feel that it is their responsibility to do so black men down her?

    black men seem to only want black women to be “feminine’ and “lady like” when black men and boys are not in harms way.They don’t seem to want black women to be “lady like” and “feminine” all the time.If more black women were feminine and lady like that would mean a whole lot more responsibility for black men.

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  282. “oh no no no no I’ve never said that I was DARK-skinned. I’ve said that I am brown-skinned. I wouldn’t have said that I was dark because I don’t get treated the same way that dark-skinned Black women do and don’t face the same level of discrimination. I’ve NEVER had soemone say “you’re pretty for a dark girl,” even though I’m Black, I’ve not had to deal with the colorism that some of my darker-skinend sisters have so I wouldn’t dare claim myself as dark when I know I have lighter skinned privilege, even though I’m black.

    I’ve always said that I’m brown, so I don’t what you’re talking about. ”

    Abagond,

    There is your quote. She said she is brown, not light. That’s how I know that she is not light. That mattered in the discussion because she initially insulted “light” women, not brown, not dark. I simply pointed out that it is just as wrong to degrade one group as it is the other. It doesn’t make you more noble. It just adds to the problem.

    Alchemist,

    Now you are assuming my hue. High yella tears? Why is it ok for you to be offensive? I stopped reading your comment after that sentence.

    Jittery Junebug,

    Yes, I agree with your points. That is true. It’s a matter of perspective.

    We all know the hardships of dark women. But, I think that we should be open to learning about everyone’s hardships, without them being labeled “High Yella Woman’s Tears”.

    It seems that emotion overrules logic and even common consideration on this topic for some. So, there is no reason to try to have a reasonable discussion. Done with this thread.

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  283. Another thing that has not been allowed on bwe blogs that has been allowed by TS and SWP crowds in regards to black women is for racist white men to post their hatred for black men.

    Acceptable comments from white men went like this
    “I find black women attractive and loveable” ” I married a black woman/my girlfriend is black I feel very protective of her and I won’t allow racist white or black men harass her.” “I’m reading this blog to be a better ally to the black women in my life that I love.”

    In regards to some of the comments that were allowed/considered acceptable when the few white men did speak on black men the comments went kind of like this “I agree that men are suppose to protect and provide for their women and children I think it’s sad that so many men don’t” “I have had black men try and talk down about black women in front of me even though they know my girlfriend/wife is black” “I have had black men friends of mine try to discourage me from dating/marrying black women” “I have heard black men in my circle say things that were racist against black women and it made me feel uncomfortable.” “I had to stop being friends with my black men friends once I married my black wife or started dating my black girl friend I didn’t know about their hatred of black women prior to that time because black women never came up in conversations as all my black friends had white girlfriends as did I”

    I watched as numerous racist white men tried to set up shop and were banned.Their comments either deleted or were never approved by the blog owner in the first place.

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  284. Marriage and family-minded women need to find similarly marriage and family-minded men to marry and create families with during their peak reproductive years.

    All else is secondary to this biological imperative.

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  285. I read a whole lot worse than Tommy Sotomayor’s particular brand of Black woman bashing when I first started online back in 1996. In their bashing of Black women, no stone was left unturned: Black women were generalized not only by the behavior exhibited by individuals, but also generalized and horrifically critiqued from the tops of their heads to the tips of their toes — and just about everything in between. It got to the point that I found it difficult to believe that even self-hating Negroes could say such things about their general female counterparts — and of the women who gave birth to them (I became convinced for a while that it had to be Stormfront members masquerading as Black woman bashing, angst-ridden and self-hating Black men (as I found it difficult to fathom that so many Black men could come to the conclusion that phenotypic Black men are, at the very least passable, but that the universe went horribly wrong in creating the phenotypic Black woman). I have long since concluded that a lot, if not all of them, were indeed Black men.

    I made the rounds of Black sites when I started online and there were NO BWE sites back then. The phenomenon of BWE / BW & WM interracial blogs is quite recent in comparison to the disgusting Black woman bashing I read during the decade long span of mid 90-mid 2000s, and is more a reaction, IMO, to the widespread online Black woman bashing which preceded it than it is anything else….

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  286. I cannot understand how Black men can put together logical arguments about how racists cherry pick and stereotype, in order to generalize a derogatory impression of Black people. Then, turn right around and agree with stereotypes and generalizations about Black women, as if the same rules somehow don’t apply?

    Are they really that stupid???

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  287. To what end?

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  288. Fiamma:

    I have long since concluded that a lot, if not all of them, were indeed Black men.

    I first encountered this on CollegeClub.com back in 2005, when the site was till up and running. . . and given your date, 1996–this has been going for the past 17 years and i still have a hard time believing that Black men are the majority of this online attack against Black women. Do a number of Black men participate in it? Sure–no doubt. Am i protecting Black men blindly at the expense of fellow Black women when i say this? No. (Just to be clear with some folk.)

    If it started as early as 1995-1996, it makes all the sense in the world to me that the bulk of it was indeed coming from racist and insecure white men and women creating usernames posing as Black men. The mid 1990’s saw an increase in Black women enrolling in colleges (almost at neck break speed). What am i saying? I do not believe anything happens in a vacuum and that we always need to understand the context. Also, there was a decline in teenage pregnancies in Black girls–so i have noticed that anytime the social status of Black women collectively is progressing–the insecurity of certain groups of white people will rear its ugly head–just that some Black men are foolishly and dangerously not aware of this…

    And if the online dehumanization of Black women has not slowed down since 1996, but has increased!?? It is because the social standing of Black women has steadily increased via college enrollment, global politics (BWIE is a good site that highlights this), embracing natural hair etc…so at this point i don’t expect the online filth to die down. No. I suspect it will only increase.

    Just my theory.

    @Everyone, btw BWIE stands for “Black Women In Europe”. Last time i checked someone tried to hack into so they were on hiatus a bit.

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  289. ‘it’s about getting with white men because they feel that white men, with their power and privilege will protect Black women…and up their status on the social ladder”

    And there is NOTHING wrong with this at all.A black woman who is interest in white men wanting a white man to do things for her such as protect and provide.Isn’t this what you all want from black men what’s the difference?Furthermore,Isn’t this what black Cinderfellas do when they latch on to white women and white men as both lovers and friends and form alliances with them and develop reciprocal relationships with them?

    Why can’t black women also seek friendships and form beneficial alliances with white men and white women?All of this talk about black women wanting a white man savior while black men are actually divesting and forming these same reciprocal relationships with individual white people.Why can’t black women do it too?

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  290. “there was even a group of Black men advocating killing Black women, they were YouTubers who called themselves “black israelites,” and they actually said there would come a day when they would be killing black women. ”

    They still exist.And they were not just talking.Many of them have murdered black women through physical violence, Aids and the hatred they have spread to the world which makes people feel that we are an easy target.These people then act out all manner of abuse and violence towards black women

    “they are an extreme example’ No.they are typical. the norm. There are others who speak bad of black women to anyone that would consider loving, befriending, helping black women and try to convince them otherwise.
    They are all devils.

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  291. Phoebeprunelle there’s a lot of evidence. The first with 15000 families is definitive IMO: Barbara A. Cohn studied samples of 15000 families. Their study showed blacks in California have higher testosterone.

    Zhang, Y., Graubard, B. I., Klebanoff, M. A., Ronckers, C., Stanczyk, F. Z., Longnecker, M. P., McGlynn, K. A. studied samples of 150 black and 150 white women. Black women had higher testosterone.

    American Journal of medical genetics studied samples of 4 blacks and 26 whites – blacks had higher testosterone

    Ross R, Bernstein L, Judd H, Hanisch R, Pike M, Henderson B. in Journal of National Cancer showed blacks have 15% higher testosterone level

    Other studies show little or no difference THOUGH THEIR SAMPLE SIZES ARE UNIFORMLY MUCH SMALLER.

    Btw,mary Burell,calling people big Richard is actually telling on yourself. You’re also derailing the discussion. If you must respond to the thread,please confine yourself to the issue-the greater testosterone level in BW.

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  292. Kay:

    ^So 4 Blacks (who possibly could have been on some kind of medication that increases that hormone or all male) compared to 26 whites is a consensus as to Black women as a collective carrying more testosterone? This will be easier than i thought…

    Let’s see what the counter studies have to say shall we?

    http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/10/3199.full.pdf–“Estrogen Levels Are Higher across the Menstrual Cycle in African-American Women Compared with
    Caucasian Women” Peer reviewed by the way.

    Higher estrogen levels=extra feminine by the way. But moving on…

    Taken from breastcancer.org:

    On the other hand, African American women have a lower risk of breast cancer than white women, but in this study, African American women had higher estrogen levels than white women.

    http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/12897.html–“USC study links ethnicity and estrogen levels to breast cancer risk”

    I mean i could keep posting, but most people reading this can see the obvious trend…

    In conclusion, all human beings regardless of gender have some testosterone and all human beings regardless of gender produce some estrogen; however, men produce way more testosterone than women (it is what deepens their voices, and gives them facial hair), and women produce way more estrogen than men (it is what regulates the menses, breast development, etc)..

    So if it were the case that Black women have the most testosterone of any other group of women–then i dare say our wider hips, denser breast tissue and thicker menses are all imaginary.

    Conversation stopped before Abagond escorts me to open thread.

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  293. Black Males call for the extermination of low income black women, hood rats, in “Die Hood Rats Die”.

    (http://ilpvideo.com/video.php?v=MzQ5NTM)

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  294. “they are an extreme example’ No.they are typical. the norm. There are others who speak bad of black women to anyone that would consider loving, befriending, helping black women and try to convince them otherwise.
    They are all devils.

    I see someone hasn’t been taking her meds. I’ll just let you jabber on till you get banned. Abagond seems to draw in the crazies from everywhere……

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  295. “^So 4 Blacks (who possibly could have been on some kind of medication that increases that hormone or all male) compared to 26 whites is a consensus as to Black women as a collective carrying more testosterone? This will be easier than i thought…

    Let’s see what the counter studies have to say shall we?

    http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/10/3199.full.pdf–“Estrogen Levels Are Higher across the Menstrual Cycle in African-American Women Compared with
    Caucasian Women” Peer reviewed by the way.

    Higher estrogen levels=extra feminine by the way. But moving on…

    Taken from breastcancer.org:

    On the other hand, African American women have a lower risk of breast cancer than white women, but in this study, African American women had higher estrogen levels than white women.

    http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/12897.html–“USC study links ethnicity and estrogen levels to breast cancer risk”

    I mean i could keep posting, but most people reading this can see the obvious trend…

    In conclusion, all human beings regardless of gender have some testosterone and all human beings regardless of gender produce some estrogen; however, men produce way more testosterone than women (it is what deepens their voices, and gives them facial hair), and women produce way more estrogen than men (it is what regulates the menses, breast development, etc)..

    So if it were the case that Black women have the most testosterone of any other group of women–then i dare say our wider hips, denser breast tissue and thicker menses are all imaginary.

    Conversation stopped before Abagond escorts me to open thread.”

    Unless your study has a larger sample size than the 15,000 black families quoted its difficult to invalidate their findings of higher BW testosterone.
    Umm…estrogen in women is produced by testosterone.
    .
    ” Also, when women approach menopause, they produce far less testosterone than before, which is the reason why they experience far lesser sexual desire.

    Production of Estrogen – Estrogen, that primary female sexual hormone, is made from testosterone”
    http://healthmeup.com/news-diet-fitness/how-testosterone-affects-women/4551

    Read the whole article twice.

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  296. It would seem that Kay has merely cut and pasted information ffrom this thread

    http://www.thescienceforum.com/biology/7171-blacks-arabs-higher-testosterone.html#post84204

    But left out the evidence that directly contradicts his claims. That particular section that was posted by Kay also seems to have been floating around the PUA/race realist crowd. I have also been searching through that Cohn study,and I am unable to find his particular claim. Kay, could you perhaps post a link, to your claims?

    Btw,mary Burell,calling people big Richard is actually telling on yourself. You’re also derailing the discussion. If you must respond to the thread,please confine yourself to the issue-the greater testosterone level in BW.

    The thread is in response to Abagond’s post about an Internet personality, not an elaboration on the amount of hormones one group has compared to another.

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  297. SF:

    Abagond seems to draw in the crazies from everywhere……

    I thought i was the only one who noticed this?

    Exhibit A:

    Btw,mary Burell,calling people big Richard is actually telling on yourself. You’re also derailing the discussion. If you must respond to the thread,please confine yourself to the issue-the greater testosterone level in BW.

    i. just. cant.

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  298. What do these so called Black women haters think about their own mothers and grandmothers and the other black women in their families? Do they deem these women inferior and all the other ugly pejoratives they label Black women with?

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  299. @ kay

    I don’t remember seeing anyone deny what estrogen is or does so I will consider that a form of deflecting.

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  300. @ mary burrell

    I wonder the same darn thing. I look at my uncles and all I can be is thankful. Thankful that those generation of men were raised right. To be respectful and to love the black women that raised them. Not that but to respect the black women that are out their.

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  301. “It would seem that Kay has merely cut and pasted information ffrom this thread

    http://www.thescienceforum.com/biology/7171-blacks-arabs-higher-testosterone.html#post84204

    But left out the evidence that directly contradicts his claims. That particular section that was posted by Kay also seems to have been floating around the PUA/race realist crowd. I have also been searching through that Cohn study,and I am unable to find his particular claim. Kay, could you perhaps post a link, to your claims?”

    No ,I didn’t. I wouldn’t have given the link and I did say there were a number of studies and the largest sample size confirmed BW had more testosterone. I care nothing for the pua/race reality crowd or how they decide to (mis)use this info.

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  302. @ Kay

    Regardless, such assertions about testosterone seem likely to be unscientific at base, and probably irrelevant. I can’t see where the application might be.

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  303. As for Tommy Sotomayor’s school of thinking, I wouldn’t wonder that many who agree with his nonsense are projecting. How much of this image of the horrible Black woman comes as the result of the absent father in their lives, I wonder?

    Often when there is no father present (and often not paying enough or any child support) the single mother becomes the object of resentment. She is the parent who has to discipline the child. She must tell the child unpleasant realities, like “Sorry, we just don’t have the money for that.” She is the one who has to ask teenage son’s to hand over part of their pay check because the family needs it. etc. etc. The absent father may be hated at times, but he can also be an imaginary figure, who takes on the dimensions of a savior in the minds of his children. Children ask themselves, what their mother’s did wrong to chase their father’s away.

    Later on down the line, the girlfriend is eventually forced to take on a familiar role of asking the young man to pay his half of the rent, or to at least help out with the expenses. When the kids come along the pressure steps up and the guy steps out. The pattern is set for another generation of stupidity. The woman is wrong because she is too often the only one left to tell the dummy that he is a dummy and to grow a pair, and grow up! You can see why an immature fool would hate this.

    It’s not that Tommy Sotomayor isn’t saying ANYTHING that is true, it’s that he very conveniently leaves off the part that chicken-hearted men play in this cycle.

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  304. @ King: I like that analysis. Very succinct and to the point.

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  305. how the hell am I doing the same thing? I was just saying that because there is a lot of butthurt attitude coming from the black women in the comment section. As if you are somehow immune from criticism because well you are just as downtrodden if not more so than black males. As for being uneducated please that is a worthless cop-out many black folks who are educated did so because they desired a proper education. If you believe that being smart or educated makes you a ‘chump’ then that is your fault and your problem not anyone else’s. and yes I have seen a number of videos across the web of black women being straight up fools. my point is no you are not perfect and being marginalize doesn’t let YOU off the hook anymore than it does a black man. Plus I have seen a number of instances where black women could have spoken out on behalf of another black women yet they too are silent because there is no black male involved. Both sides are guilty of petty nonsense while decrying responsibility because woe is me I’m so oppressed. Black women try to get away with that mindset the same as black men so don’t front.

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  306. @Lavern,

    The post at hand is about Sotomayor, not some tit for tat b.s.

    With comments like these, i am starting to believe that Sotomayor is a genius because he is playing on the inner most fears of Black people and it is working beyond perhaps his wildest dreams.

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  307. @ Lavern

    How aren’t you doing the same thing? You just bashed Robin Givens (not a fan of hers mind you), but you took to bashing this woman to all high heaven. What did that solve exactly? Was it suppose to paint you in a better light than her? Tommy S. does just that. bash instead of any real constructive conclusion on how to fix the problems. Just shows that blacks love putting each other down.

    It has been said time and time again that the issues are bad men and women in the group (not sold on the it is the majority bit that people keep passing based on poor evidence). Tommy, per the subject, believes it is all the fault of women and others have pointed out the fault of the men.

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  308. Tommy don’t give a damn about Black Folks because if he did, he would come at Black men just as hard. Tommy is making money off the backs of Black Women…. a big money market for Black Women Bashing.

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  309. In other words, Tommy is a sellout…
    To use an old expression.

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  310. I just will never for the life of me understand why some of you sistas, so amazing and intelligent and well spoken, continue to hold onto the last strings of a community that Black men have long abandoned. Even the ones who claim to be pro-Black are more often than not strikingly only pro-Black male. Even the man whose blog you are posting on and you all have considered an ally has admitted as such, SEVERAL TIMES in your own presence on this very blog post and others. Black women’s needs that are not shared by Black men, are an afterthought to the vast majority of Black men. Its not something I’m stating to cause strife, I am stating it as a mere fact that Black women MUST ACCEPT and MUST ADJUST TO. I mean after all, what more does it take? After all of his insulting empathizing and quite frankly defense of TS, Abagond gave a simple apology and promised “to do better” and that was it? Dude openly sympathized with a man who says some of the most appalling racist garbage about Black women daily, admitted he’d NEVER do such a thing in the reverse, and all it took was an apology and he’s your “brother” again? What is this nonsense?

    When does self preservation as a group come into play for Black women as it concerns Black men? If this was any other group we’d have long ridden each other to the ground about trying so hard to get approval at the expense of our own self respect. It pains me to see this happening even amongst sistas who are fully aware of the lack of reciprocation if not all out attack stance many Black men have taken towards Black women. So again, if even our best and brightest refuse to accept reality and look out for themselves first and foremost (as Black men are continuously showing us they will do), what hope is there? Our Black daughters will be even further degraded and tasked to mire in the oft spit on, pissed on, and shat on bed we have created for them by refusing to fight for them against the ones who oppress them the most openly today. The attempt to isolate and annihilate Black women and girls as one of you so eloquently put it will succeed, and ironically Black women will play a major role in it because of their refusal to act.

    None of this is to say to mistreat the Black males that you come across in your daily lives. But to understand that your fight as Black women is truly not theirs and never going to be because they don’t want it to be. And the fact of the matter is, we don’t need it to be. If Black women spent as much time helping each other and furthering causes that specifically benefit us and Black girls and no one else as they do pining for Black men to “come home” and finally “protect them” we’d be so much further than we are. Even if you want to keep the desperation going, at least recognize that their “coming home” is not going to be achieved by begging but by leaving. It is often that men regret/feel the most pain and realize all their mistakes AFTER mistreating the best woman they’ve ever had and having her go cold and leave him. That is the crossroads Black women are at right now, but too many, even our best and brightest, are seemingly too COWARDLY to do what I know deep down they know needs to be done. And we are the ONLY ones suffering from it (and therefore, our children, since they are left with us).

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  311. Further proof about that many black men ARE Nazi’s toward black women.Strange science as provided by Kay.

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  312. I read somewhere that African men, while not having higher testosterone than other males, have fewer blockers of it. Arab men? I had always assumed that African men and African descended men had “higher T” because they look and sound like they do. Scientifically I was not technically accurate as it is not higher T levels but less blockers for it, so the end result is the same as having higher T.

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  313. on Sun Jul 7th 2013 at 07:12:29 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    Truthhurts:

    “Tommy is making money off the backs of Black Women”

    Why shouldn’t Tommy make money off the backs of black women? Plenty of black women make money working on their backs with that child support and welfare.

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  314. Yeah, why should anyone have to pay child support!!???

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  315. “Black female Marie Antoinettes get black women and girls killed”
    “Which is why these women are often annoyed when other BW mention or do any consciousness-raising about these matters. Because, you know, hearing about such things puts a crimp in the Marie Antoinettes’/Special Snowflakes’ day. By trying to shut down any mention of these matters, these women help create an “anything goes” atmosphere in which any and all attacks on BW are permissible.”

    Lavern is in that category.The lie that black women are as hateful towards black men as black men are towards black women won’t stand.A lie can’t. Black women are the most valuable thing that black collective has.

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  316. @ Pinkmatter

    “After all of his insulting empathizing and quite frankly defense of TS, Abagond gave a simple apology and promised “to do better” and that was it? Dude openly sympathized with a man who says some of the most appalling racist garbage about Black women daily, admitted he’d NEVER do such a thing in the reverse, and all it took was an apology and he’s your “brother” again? What is this nonsense?”

    1. I agree that an apology alone is meaningless unless it is followed by a change of behaviour. I am not disputing that.

    2. My “defence” of TS was mainly about his right to express his opinions.

    3. I do not agree with most of what he says nor have I ever defended his core positions, either here or anywhere else on my blog. Even in the original post I called them racist. While I am not going to claim I am completely free of sexism and racism against black women, I do not make that the cornerstone of my thinking. I understand that those beliefs are problematic and screwed up, that my mind has been poisoned, HE does not.

    4. I admit that I did try to see “some good” in him, to see the baby in the bathwater. Trojan Pam and Temple made me see that I would never do that for BWE believers or white racists, that it was a dumb-ass move, that any sufficiently articulate defender of a position is, on occasion, going to say some “intelligent” things I might agree with. Once I saw my mistake I fixed my post and apologized.

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  317. No ,I didn’t. I wouldn’t have given the link and I did say there were a number of studies and the largest sample size confirmed BW had more testosterone. I care nothing for the pua/race reality crowd or how they decide to (mis)use this info.

    Sample size is only one measure of precision, and you till have not shown me where in that study it says that BW have higher testosterone levels. You have also said nothing about the ability of black women to use aromatase to convert androgens, whether or not their supposed high T-levels are environmental etc.

    or a black man killed al is permed, washed, and rollerset and ready for the camera. These same people wonder why some black women left and joined the feminist movement, duh if a woman isn’t being satisfied she goes elsewhere. what u don’t do somebody else will. But no we need our own organization where there is no sexism, racism, or colorism, but justice, love, and ,solidarity.

    Al Sharpton doesn’t support black women because bitches is liars. Don’t believe me? Two words: Tawana Brawley. Never mind the Duke stripper. Old Al wrecked himself on Brawley, so when he does that civil rights crap, he does not waste time with black women. Black men are a better bet. Just think of that Central Park rape story with the six black men accused of gangbanging a snowbunny. Civil Rights is a very important business, it gives one power, and access to money from large corporations and lobbying frims who seek aid. If you play your cards right. And playing your cards right means staying the hell away from black women. Too big a risk.

    Often when there is no father present (and often not paying enough or any child support) the single mother becomes the object of resentment. She is the parent who has to discipline the child. She must tell the child unpleasant realities, like “Sorry, we just don’t have the money for that.” She is the one who has to ask teenage son’s to hand over part of their pay check because the family needs it. etc. etc. The absent father may be hated at times, but he can also be an imaginary figure, who takes on the dimensions of a savior in the minds of his children. Children ask themselves, what their mother’s did wrong to chase their father’s away.

    NO!!!! Bitches is evil!!! Why can’t you understand that? I’ve seen :
    1. Black women telling their sons they’re “worthless like their daddy”
    2. Black women turning their sons into their sonsbands
    3. Black women mistreating the son of one of their baby daddy, to impress her new babydaddy.

    Evil man. Evil.

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  318. I admit that I did try to see “some good” in him, to see the baby in the bathwater. Trojan Pam and Temple made me see that I would never do that for BWE believers or white racists, that it was a dumb-ass move, that any sufficiently articulate defender of a position is, on occasion, going to say some “intelligent” things I might agree with. Once I saw my mistake I fixed my post and apologized.

    Tommy actually some good, if not perfectly articulated points.

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/tommy-sotomayor/#comment-179562

    The BWE and white racists do not, stopped clock fallacy notwithstanding.

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  319. “Rather, Sotomayor is a male counterpart of BWE”

    He is NOT a male counterpart to BWE.And the fact that you stand by this lie shows that you have not changed anything about the original post at all.

    I have laid out the numerous differences in BWE compared to TS

    For BWE to be like TS there would have to be a call for black women to murder,rape, do anything at all to black men and boys.BWE blogs call for black women to separate themselves from people in general that are dangerous and useless,to VET everyone and to not consider anyone to be an automatic ally based on shared skin color, gender, religion etc.

    Damaged Beyond Repair is when someone knows what they are doing to other people is wrong and they continue to do it because they have decided that it is beneficial.

    This is a lie “He is not playing to a white audience” –Yes he is.He and black men like him are using their hatred for black women to get noticed by the women they love and crave white women.

    black women are his main demographic-if you mean that black women check his videos to disagree you would be right.If you mean there are a certain number of self hating black male identified “women” that agree with his evil because they are looking for male validation and attention you would be right.

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  320. “NO!!!! Bitches is evil!!! Why can’t you understand that? I’ve seen :

    1. Black women telling their sons they’re “worthless like their daddy”
    2. Black women turning their sons into their sonsbands
    3. Black women mistreating the son of one of their baby daddy, to impress her new babydaddy.”

    I have heard of these things but have never seen it. Your number one from what I heard can be and has been applied to the daughter as well.

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  321. on Sun Jul 7th 2013 at 22:41:11 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    king:

    “Yeah, why should anyone have to pay child support!!???”

    Only if they were married. Do you think customers should pay child support to prostitutes who get pregnant, too?

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  322. @ peanut

    I agree.

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  323. If you lay up and not use protection then you should pay for your indiscretions. Correct me if I am wrong but an egg alone can’t create a child.

    Lets all pity the dead beat who is a victim of child support. He know not that no protection creates a child. It is the fault of the woman who put him on it.

    I have a solution. Lets castrate men who make babies and not take care of them.

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  324. Only if they were married. Do you think customers should pay child support to prostitutes who get pregnant, too?”

    Yes, obviously.

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  325. But remember ladies it is your fault you got pregnant. Men are the victims. (Laughs uncontrollably)

    All jokes aside that type of thinking is sad and disgusting on so many levels. It reaks of men feeling that do not have to be responsible for their actions. The generation of men is a dying one if that type of thinking is spreading.

    In a conference talk a few months ago this very mindset and behavior was discussed. Men forgetting their duty as men and women stepping in to it. smh

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  326. Again… The things we seldom talk about, and rarely make definitive plans to improve upon.

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  327. @ peanut

    True. Often times what little child support these women get is not enough for the child.

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  328. @ king and peanut

    *sigh

    Very true

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  329. @ peanut
    “in the Black community children are objectified in the sense that they are only ever talked about in terms of child support payments or being out of wedlock “burdens on society,” people act like children aren’t full human beings or something”

    Now that sounds familiar. objectifying and only seeing black kids as dollar signs. reminds me of slavery. only with this the men hate to pay and sometimes don’t pay. i said this before and i’ll say it again, men should be concerned who they lay down with as well as women, because women from what i’ve seen have more rights to the child then men do. So if a man is trying to be a good father and the woman is keeping the child away or can give their child up for adoption without the mans consent in the state of utah men should be worried who they procreate with. imo the blame is on both men and women for creating that child and not putting that child first, in some instances the woman is more at fault and in others the man is more at fault, but they both have some blame they need to own up to. why just excuse the man completely? if the woman is lets say this example; a woman is 60% at fault and the man is 40% at fault. now idc who is at fault more i just want both to claim their role in it and stop putting 100% of the blame on the woman, when the man had a part in it too. Also why is it that when ppl talk about absent fathers they just focus on the affects it has on the boys and blame the woman and any wrong the boy does oh he is[victim] a product of his enviornment and his mother should’ve had a man in the house. but when it comes to the daughter its oh she is ghetto trash and needs to be removed, why not be sympathetic to both or feel anger towards both at least be consistent. if i don’t like how some ppl act i don’t give one gender a pass and the other i stay mad at, i may dislike one more than the other but i still dislike both. if u are afraid of dogs u don’t say hey im not afraid of this one because its a female and won’t bite me, that’s just the male dogs that bite. see how crazy that sounds?

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  330. on Mon Jul 8th 2013 at 00:13:38 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    king:

    “Yes, obviously.”

    To quote Rachel Jentael, “That’s real retarded, sir.”

    +

    sharina:

    “But remember ladies it is your fault you got pregnant. Men are the victims.”

    Women are the ones getting pregnant not men. So, yes, pregnancy is a woman’s responsibility. If the men weren’t married then they’re the victims. That’s what marriage is for. It’s a promise to support the mother and children.

    “Lets all pity the dead beat who is a victim of child support. He know not that no protection creates a child. It is the fault of the woman who put him on it.”

    Those poor innocent women. They were walking along minding their own business until they slipped and fell on a dck.

    “I have a solution. Lets castrate men who make babies and not take care of them.”

    If they were married when the baby was made then I agree. Otherwise, it’s all those women running spreading thy legs that need t be spayed.

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  331. But the woman is not getting pregnant by herself. You are trying to bypass the responsibility of the men in this act. They aren’t forcing the penis in them. They aren’t forcing thes3 men not to wear a condom. Marriage or not these men atr making poor decisions and asking the women to take full blame for them. This line of think is not that of a man but a boy.

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  332. Yeah, evidently the guy, who can’t keep his fly zipped has no responsibility for the child. A total lack of responsibility and character.

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  333. Those men are victims alright. Victim of poor home training. If that man can not take care of children he made out of wedlock, then he sure isn’t good enough to be placing bets that he will be a good enough father to the children in wedlock and any woman that marries him knowing he has kids out there struggling day to day is nothing less than trash like him.

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  334. on Mon Jul 8th 2013 at 00:43:00 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    sharina:

    It doesn’t matter if it takes two to tango. The man isn’t the one getting pregnant. If you don’t like the biological reality then blame God or Nature. The reality is that the woman is the one getting pregnant not the man. The whole purpose of marriage is to make men responsible for their children. If women spread they legs for a bunch of men it’s their own fault. Yet women want to make men responsible for their own slutty behavior, That line of think is not that of a lady but a wh0re.

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  335. Luckily the LAW says that if you father the child then the child is 50% your financial responsibility. Otherwise these men of false morality and low breeding would not hesitate to put the upon God, nature, and the woman.— but NEVER upon their own selfish and despicable actions.

    And what kind of man would not support his own children? Only the very lowest kind of man would shirk this sacred responsibility.

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  336. You can put it either way you want but it does not take away the part of theses whorish men. It takes one man and if she spreads for that one guy and that one guy did not use a condom then that one guy is and should be responsible for that baby. That female whorish or not can not get pregnant alone. You keep wanting to bypass that because she will carry the baby but how does that baby get in there? Not magic.

    You trying to make the womsn whorish wont change that either. More often than not the women is pregnant by a boy friend and not the football team . This also will not change the facts that the men is just as much responsible. Throw marriage in all day because it won’t chanhe things.

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  337. on Mon Jul 8th 2013 at 00:57:31 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    Those men are victims alright. Victim of poor home training. If that man can not take care of children he made out of wedlock, then he sure isn’t good enough to be placing bets that he will be a good enough father to the children in wedlock and any woman that marries him knowing he has kids out there struggling day to day is nothing less than trash like him.

    I agree. And yet women flop on their backs and throw they legs in the air for these guys. A man in Tennessee has 33 kids with 11 different women. Another man in Tennessee has 24 kids with 14 women. If you want to blame those two men then fine. How about blaming those TWENTY-FIVE women!!! If it wasn’t those 2 punks it would have been 2 different punks. You HAVE to blame the women when it only takes 2 punks sneaking around to knock up 25 women for FIFTY-SEVEN little bastrds. That’s a WOMAN problem.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/man-fathered-30-kids-needs-break-child-support-140439765.html

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/orlando-shaw-father-22-children-14-women_n_3397397.html

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  338. This is language of all such whoremongers. Never taking responsibility.

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  339. on Mon Jul 8th 2013 at 01:02:59 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    sharina

    “More often than not the women is pregnant by a boy friend and not the football team . ”

    More often than not it could be her boyfriend OR the football team! LOL

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  340. I wonder where this information comes from?
    Sounds personal to me.

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  341. If women spread they legs for a bunch of men it’s their own fault.

    Yup…but pregnancy aside; i also question the morality of a man who knowingly sleeps with those kind of women.

    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K7cQrL5mjw)

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  342. “If you don’t like the biological reality then blame God or Nature.”—Who said I did not like it? I was just pointing out that sperm does not get into the vagina with magic.

    “The whole purpose of marriage is to make men responsible for their children”—not necessarily.

    “You HAVE to blame the women when it only takes 2 punks sneaking around to knock up 25 women for FIFTY-SEVEN little bastrds. That’s a WOMAN problem.”—I don’t have to do anything. Both parties are still at blame. The man does not escape blame in this.

    “More often than not it could be her boyfriend OR the football team! LOL”—And maybe that is your bad experience (which does not speak good for you), but from mine it is often time the woman is pregnant from her boyfriend.

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  343. “…it only takes 2 punks sneaking around to knock up 25 women for FIFTY-SEVEN little bastrds.”

    The fact that it was only 2 guys means that the men involved where even more promiscuous than the women! Look how much damage just 2 guys did can you imagine if there were 4!!!

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  344. on Mon Jul 8th 2013 at 01:18:35 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    sharina

    “but from mine it is often time the woman is pregnant from her boyfriend.”

    Oh! Now, I see! It’s YOUR personal experience we’re talking about.

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    king:

    You can try to make it a personal attack on me all you want. I’m proud to say that neither my wife nor I have ever been with anyone else. That’s by choice. It’s called character. Can you say that? If not then you might be one of these whorish men sharina is talking about. That’s what it’s really about. People trying to make excuses for their trashy behavior.

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  345. And this is just my experience from what I have seen but it is usually a guy running between several women and not this woman spreading her legs for the world. The one female that I know that has several baby daddies was raped by her mother’s boyfriend and has been suffering with some issues.

    I won’t deny that there are not some whorish women because there are, but that is not always the case.

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  346. @Mr. Piggle Wiggle

    You again? SMH, You can’t place all blame on Black women because Black men are just as guilty and responsible for the high out of wedlock birth rates in the Black Community as Black women. Both Black men and Black women need to take responsibility for creating these children outside the bond of marriage.

    Personally I am a single, young Black woman with NO kids and I believe that children especially Black women thrive best in two parent homes where both parents love each other.

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  347. on Mon Jul 8th 2013 at 01:23:57 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    “The fact that it was only 2 guys means that the men involved where even more promiscuous than the women!”

    It means there are 25 trashy women for every 2 trashy men. The only reason those women don’t have 25 kids each is they can’t get pregnant with another bastrd while they’re still pregnant with the last one!

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  348. “Oh! Now, I see! It’s YOUR personal experience we’re talking about.”—sorry to disappoint but if I had a boyfriend my husband would kill me and divorce me and then take the kids.

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  349. not necessarily in that order though.

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  350. And besides that; i don’t think “marriage” and rearing children is as private as we like to make it.

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  351. on Mon Jul 8th 2013 at 01:31:35 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    Adeen

    “Both Black men and Black women need to take responsibility for creating these children outside the bond of marriage. ”

    People need to take responsibility for creating these children INSIDE the bond of marriage. I obviously agree with you that a 2 parent home is the way to go. That’s why these people need to stop it. Also I don’t blame the child for a bad situation.

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  352. on Mon Jul 8th 2013 at 01:33:47 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    “sorry to disappoint but if I had a boyfriend my husband would kill me and divorce me and then take the kids.”

    No he wouldn’t. Women always get the kids. Women always say the man is half the pregnancy but as soon as there’s a divorce women say the children blong with the mother! Interesting how that works out eh?

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  353. “People trying to make excuses for their trashy behavior.”—Funny you mention this when you are excusing the trashy behavior of men.

    “People need to take responsibility for creating these children INSIDE the bond of marriage”—They do but those kids are not created within those bonds and so responsibility needs to be taken for them out of it by the two individuals that got themselves into that mess.

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  354. on Mon Jul 8th 2013 at 01:37:41 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    If men are just as responsible for pregnancy as women then I’d like to see men getting custody half the time — especially when they’re not married! Let’s prove that it’s equal. Otherwise its just women wanting to have their cake and eat it, too.

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  355. @Sharina

    Both Black men and Black women need to take responsibility for the high out of wedlock birth rates in the Black Community. We can’t solve this problem when we blame one and not the other. I am young and I may sound naïve but Black children thrive best when they grow up in a two parent home where both parents love each other and instill Black pride in their children.

    First of all, Black women need to stop seeking out these type of men. Seriously these men are immature and not ready to settle down. They rather play around and sleep with any women they see that they find attractive.

    Second of all, Black men need to step up to the plate and take responsibility for the children they created with these women. They should try to be in the life of the kids they made with these women and support these children too.

    I also believe that Black teens like myself should be thought the importance of abstinence and waiting until you are married to have sex as well.

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  356. Good for you Adeen!

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  357. Both parents are responsible for the children they bring into the world together — which, of course, doesn’t always stop one or both parents from shirking their individual responsibilities toward their offspring….

    However, just because a person might dodge his/her responsibilities, the act of dodging them certainly does NOT serve as exoneration of them.

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  358. @Piggle Wiggle and Sharina

    I agree. People who make these decisions need to take responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming others.

    The high out of wedlock birth rate is not good at all. Black children need to grow up in two parent homes with two Black parents who love each other and instill Black pride in their children.

    I know this because I am the product of a single mother and I don’t want my children to grow up in a single parent home IF I had children. I currently have no kids.

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  359. “o he wouldn’t. Women always get the kids. Women always say the man is half the pregnancy but as soon as there’s a divorce women say the children blong with the mother! Interesting how that works out eh?”—Wrong. I actually know 4 single fathers that are divorced from their wives and currently have custody of their kids. I get what you are saying I do, but I think you believe you know more than what you do. You want to speak for everyone’s situation, but you don’t know everyone’s situation.

    Men can get custody half the time if they want it. Married or not, but it is up to them to get a lawyer so this can be brought to the judge.

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  360. @ Adeen , Fiamma, and Peanut

    I agree.

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  361. on Mon Jul 8th 2013 at 02:17:01 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    I have to give Peanut some love for saying that.

    Here’s something that’s going to make really people angry. There’s a problem with child molestation and it has a lot to do with these single mothers. They have these children out of wedlock. Then they want to have a bunch of boyfriends. Some of these boyfriends end up molesting the children. Men molest children a lot more than women. I think fathers should be getting custody more to keep these kids away from their mother’s boyfriends.

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  362. It makes people angry only because you choose to see one side of it. The woman is always at fault.

    Now as my nature I will point to the otherside. Men don’t get the custody because they like the freedom. They figure I pay my child support or just give money, see child once a week…looks fine no bruises, and back to mother in time for me to go to the club. Fathers getting custody more and then what happens to the child when the father turns out to be the molestor?

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  363. or one of father friends molest them. There are so many scenarios and either party could take blame in them. I am not saying one is better than the other and one deserves more leeway than the other or one is less at blame than the other, but blame shifting isn’t going to fix the problem. It is just another way to escape responsibility.

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  364. @Sharina

    Same here. Well said. Most courts give the mother the custody of the children and now I know why from reading your post but I don’t necessarily think that the father is better off with the father than the child is with the mother.

    There are good and bad mothers out there. And there good and bad mothers out there.

    @Piggle Wiggle

    I disagree. Many men have girlfriends and wives that don’t like the children and Many of these men would side with their wives or girlfriends over their own child. Trust me, I have seen it happen in my family. And that is just as bad as the mother’s boyfriend touching and molesting the kids. Ultimately in both situations, the children feel sad, lonely and not wanted and that is not right.

    Now where will the children feel comfortable if the kids are living with a mother who dates a man who molests them and when the father is living with a woman who doesn’t want to be around them? Sometimes I wonder.

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  365. on Mon Jul 8th 2013 at 02:50:52 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    “Men don’t get the custody because they like the freedom. ”

    Men don’t get married because they like strange. Back in the day, men got married because it was the only way to get a regular supply of cherry pie. Now they can go to the club and get all they want. Women have flooded the market with that stuff.

    There’s a lot more boyfriends molesting than fathers. Even if a few fathers molest, more children would still be better off.

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  366. @ Adeen

    You brought up a very good point and one that did not cross my mind.

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  367. “Men don’t get married because they like strange. Back in the day, men got married because it was the only way to get a regular supply of cherry pie. Now they can go to the club and get all they want. Women have flooded the market with that stuff.”—What does this have to do with anything I said?

    “here’s a lot more boyfriends molesting than fathers. Even if a few fathers molest, more children would still be better off.”—And what makes you believe that? No one is ever better off being molested that is just sick and disgusting and to say that is ok because the child is with the father? Dare I say you are disgusting.

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  368. This is what is funny here. It is ok if the father could be the molester as long as the child is not with the mother, It is ok if the father’s friend could be a molester as long as the child is not with the mother, and it is ok whatever happens to the child because they are better off with the father. Because Mr. Piggle-Wiggle is certain that the mothers boyfriend is the molester and the mother is the no good one.

    If that thinking is not sick then somebody please tell me what is?

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  369. on Mon Jul 8th 2013 at 03:19:18 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    sharina

    “Dare I say you are disgusting.”

    Dare I say you have problems with critical thinking and reading comprehension? Men are more likely to molest than women and boyfriends are more likely to molest than fathers. Therefore, children are at higher risk from their stepfather or mother’s boyfriends than from their stepmother or father’s girlfriends.

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  370. “Dare I say you have problems with critical thinking and reading comprehension? “–You can say it but won’t make it true. I could also use this line in regards to the fact that I mentioned custody..you quoted me and started ranting about marriage, but I am not so petty as you.

    You claimed there are a lot more boyfriends molesting than father so I would suppose you would be proving that as true rather than giving me your opinion of what you think is true.

    “boyfriends are more likely to molest than fathers.”—Says who?

    “Therefore, children are at higher risk from their stepfather or mother’s boyfriends than from their stepmother or father’s girlfriends.”—I don’t remember mentioning the stepmother or girlfriend in terms of molestation. 🙂

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  371. Hey maybe tomorrow I will clearly point out that I said father’s friend and not girlfriend or stepmother (strange because never saw them as possible molesters). Anyway goodnight 🙂

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  372. on Mon Jul 8th 2013 at 04:42:55 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    sharina

    The issue was custody versus molestation so all living arrangements are on the table whether “remember mentioning the stepmother or girlfriend in terms of molestation” or not.

    http://www.jennyraearmstrong.com/2012/04/27/more-statistics-on-child-abuse-or-why-single-moms-should-probably-stay-that-way/

    This article is from a woman who’s arguing that single mothers should stay that way because boyfriends and stepfathers are high risk. She not saying fathers should get custody (because very few women do) but she gleans numbers from a study that support my point. She links the study in her post.

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  373. “because boyfriends and stepfathers are high risk. ”

    Yep!

    All those baby killing and child abuse cases that we hear about are largely at the hands of some creep-ass “boyfriend”.

    I’ve been preaching to all the single moms I know to not date until their children are grown adults out of the house.

    Single moms are putting their kids at risk every time they introduce them to a new date or boyfriend.

    “Honey, you’re a mom now – have some dignity, put your sexual desires on the back burner and spend quality time with your children instead!”

    I give the same advise to single dads too.

    Nobody needs to be sexin’ when they got kids!

    Its shameful to say the least.

    We need to bring back “shame” to our culture to keep these single parents in line and their kids safe!

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  374. @abagond

    You will call it a mistake, but we both know the truth. It wasn’t a mistake and you truly do feel that TS is valid on a lot of points. It only behooves you to apologize because the majority of your blog readers are Black women. Which again goes to show which of us are really standing for this “community” and which could give a shit less. And your blog is not the only example of this.

    Look at other blogs about race and building community and finding solutions. Whether male or female run, who are the most frequent visitors and commenters? BLACK WOMEN.
    Even when the majority of the issues on the blogs/sites are directed towards helping Black men and boys? BLACK WOMEN.
    Even in the midst of heinous vitriol and outright blaming of all of the community’s problems on Black women, who are the ones coming to the table to admit “partial fault” in things they have no business taking ANY blame for, knowing the same leniency would not be extended to them? BLACK WOMEN.

    Black men are no-damn-where to be found, and those that are are more concerned with protecting Black males from criticism they deep down know they deserve, than correcting any of the ills in the community. Black men are out for self-preservation first, second, third, and last. But people like yourself want to continue to feed lies to women that “change gon come” when you know it won’t because you yourself are too scared to even address your “brothers” enough to move towards it. And that’s why Black men are invisible in these discussions and in the neighborhoods (unless destroying and pillaging, or encouraging it as “masculine”) and will continue to be so.

    But do you know the types of places where you WILL happen to find numerous Black men speaking on Black related issues, where the invisibility stops? The Black female HATE sites. That is Tommy Sotomayor, SWP, blackmenvent, and even regular hip hop forums that are teeming with hate for BW. There you will find no shortage of Black men sounding off and laying into Black women. Do you know where you so-called reflective and understanding Black men are when this is going on? Nowhere to be found, or on your blogs DEFENDING their “right to express their opinions”.

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  375. @Peanut

    What abagond said was no mistake, and that much is clear. He feels the way he said and much like a white racist is only recanting for selfish purposes. Are Black women so desperate for any Black male affection/acknowledgement of their plight that they will lie to themselves so blatantly in the face of clear dishonesty? When he goes back to his safe haven with other Black men, he will nod his head and agree with them as they rail Black women. Or, at the very least, he will remain silent and just allow the situation for Black women to continue to worsen around him. And he will never change. After all, what reason does he have to 1) he is not a Black woman, so he is not directly hurt by it and 2) when he can further sexualized racism against Black women for 23 hours and 59 minutes of the day, spend 1 minute apologizing when it behooves him, and still gain a following of the same people he oppresses?

    Why does Black women’s loyalty cost so goddamn little when it is so goddamn strong????????

    How do these little stupid, disingenuous apologies/promises to do better continue to be ALL that Black women require of Black men EVEN AFTER the years of abuse and neglect, and even WITH the current era of outright vitriol against Black women? How about at least REQUIRING that your begging only be satisfied by some real ACTION on their part and not just words, before you crawl back to them for hugs and grant your forgiveness?? That is to say if you choose to remain begging for reciprocation in the first place, which I don’t even understand or recommend for Black women anyway because it will get them nowhere.

    I mean, please critically think here. Do you think Black men TRULY want to give up the power they wield for being men? Where have they EVER shown you this is something they are willing to do? In their rap videos? In their defense of Black women at a community level? In their treatment of their wives, girlfriends, and spouses? Black men have not even shown they are willing to give up minutes of sexual pleasure and their own personal gratification for their CHILDREN, much less give up their male privilege for YOU, a Black woman. A woman whom they don’t even feel worthy of respect, let alone see you as the prize they see other races of women. You, Black woman, are on your own, and its high time you act like it and stop begging for reinforcements that have shown they either won’t come, or will come only to attack you from behind.

    Again, I WEEP for the next generation of Black girls, because we are so stuck in finding allies with people who have no interest in being so that we are doing NOTHING to protect them.

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  376. @ Mr. Piggle-Wiggle

    The issue was not custody vs molestation (atleast not for me) because like I said and will be repeating again molestation could happen with either party. Whether it be good old moms boyfriend or good old dads friend. Only you are up in arms trying to argue that child is better with dad.

    As for remembering mentioning step-mom or girlfriend, I didn’t so no need to remember. In fact you brought it up (which is fine), but if you bring up something do me a favor and don’t try to argue or refute it like I said it. Now you want to try and fix your error by claiming “so all living arrangements are on the table whether “remember mentioning the stepmother or girlfriend in terms of molestation” or not”….well duh.

    As for your article I will not dispute (even if numbers are old), but even with that it is still not showing one party better than the other. it still does not show one more suited than the other. Which is in fact what you have been trying to argue. Numbers only support your more likely to molest but not your more suited.

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  377. @ Why?

    I agree. You never know who is sick enough to hurt your kids.

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  378. I will recant on something why. Women and men should be able to date with kids but never leave their kids alone with said partner. I think that is the mistake most of them make. Too much trust and often times too much trust in someone they don’t really know.

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  379. @ Pinkmatter

    You say I apologized to kiss up to black women. But you also say I do not give a shit about them. Make up your mind.

    “You will call it a mistake, but we both know the truth. It wasn’t a mistake and you truly do feel that TS is valid on a lot of points. “

    At this point you are believing what you want to believe. My blog does not support what you are saying.

    Am I sexist? Yes. But do I bash black women and say most of them are “pure evil”? Hardly. I have written AGAINST the stereotypes they get slapped with. TS does not even see them as stereotypes. He suffers from internalized racism. I have said that from the start and still say that.

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  380. “You say I apologized to kiss up to black women. But you also say I do not give a shit about them. Make up your mind.”

    I don’t see this as double speak.One can give a shit about black women and yet kiss up to them so that they will support an agenda,product,blog etc.

    Think Barack Obama and all his speeches about absentee black father’s. Then think about his policies and all the black women that his administration has thrown under the bus.

    He doesn’t give a shit about black women either but he has kissed up to black women to try to get our vote.

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  381. Another huge difference between BWE and TS. In BWE black women that don’t take care of their children are considered damaged and possibly beyond repair if they don’t make any changes in order to be valuable to their children’s lives.BWE does NOT tell black women to shirk their responsibility and let someone else handle it because they are “victims”.BWE tries to guide single black women to independence and tells them to form alliances and support groups with other like minded women and to find healthy minded men as mentors to their children if possible.

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  382. @ Truth P

    If I wanted to kiss up to a demographic as a blogger, it would be white people. There are WAY more of them.

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  383. @ Truth P

    Obama’s “tough love” talk about black fathers I think is aimed at white people. He has not done jack for black people, male or female.

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  384. I will admit truthp that I know very little about BWE groups. Little should be replaced with nothing at all. Frankly if that is their goal then I am in support of it. Single mothers are here and are n9t going anywhere so it is best to prepare them to be better.

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  385. Sharina

    I will recant on something why. Women and men should be able to date with kids but never leave their kids alone with said partner. I think that is the mistake most of them make. Too much trust and often times too much trust in someone they don’t really know.
    ___________

    Single parents are free to do whatever they want but they need to think of the effects their actions have on their kids.

    Its destabalizing for a child to have their parent introducing them to various dates and “partners”.

    The time, energy, and emotions that a single parent puts into dating should be going to their kids.

    The home should be a calm, stable refuge from the outside chaos. No need to introduce a foreign element.

    Single Parents: take the time and money you would spend dating some dude or dudette and invest it in your kids’ intellectual development.

    A mind is a terrible thing to waste on watching your single mom or dad trying to get laid.

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  386. pinkmatter:

    Everything you pointed was the absolute truth regarding black women and their blind loyalty to black men.

    I too, weep for the little black girls growing up and witnessing this…

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  387. @Why?

    “Its destabalizing for a child to have their parent introducing them to various dates and “partners”. “–It is which is why I am against children meeting a partner that the individual is not serious about or, as i stated, does not know enough about.

    I am not against what you are saying, but even with all that it does not mean the parent can not date.

    You don’t realize that the mindset of a lot of these individuals is to find stability in 2 parent homes. They are in such a rush to do this (because people preach that it is the best) that they neglect all other red flags. Its not always about getting laid contrary to belief. There goal is to find a man to be father to their children and to provide two parent home protection. They believe this is best for the kids above all else. They believe once that is achieved everything else will fall into place.

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  388. “But do I bash black women and say most of them are “pure evil”?’

    BWE does not bash black men either. Unless they are bad people or useless.BWe states that most black men fall into these categories.Those we have formed mutually beneficial and healthy relationships with, or neutral- to no value to black women and girls and the issues affecting us, or they are dangerous.

    Most black men fall in the last two categories.No value/Neutral-Dangerous.

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  389. Sharina, ” There goal is to find a man to be father to their children and to provide two parent home protection. They believe this is best for the kids above all else. They believe once that is achieved everything else will fall into place.”

    This is to be done BEFORE laying down with a man, not using protection, and getting preggers by him. Friendship, dating, falling in love, engaged, wedding, children.

    Women MUST screen and test and test the man consistently through this process.

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  390. @ Why?

    Well Duh! Obviously in their cases it did not happen in the perceived “proper” order. Which is why they are then seeking to render the problem after the fact.

    Focusing on shoulda coulda wouldas are not going to fix a darn thing. It has past for them and the new focus needs to be towards their betterment and the betterment of their children.

    Oh if only the world were truly as cut and dry as you believe it to be. Que sera sera

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  391. Lavern merriweather said:
    “First of all to say that black women don’t bash black men and also bsah white males is complete bullcrap. I read a number of blogs by black women that claim to be about empowering women of color yet are very biased towards black males and very rarely criticize white men. Case in point all the stupid white males on late night tv would constantly bash Whitney Houston for her drug use yet have white females on their show who are crackheads. Black women said nothing black women rushed to speak out for Rhianna but were silent when Stacy Dash ex-husabnd who is white abused her during their brief marriage. Bottom line BOTH sides need to stop the petty sniping at each other because neither side is perfect. There are LOSER black women that are stupid,uneducated, foolish,have multiple babies daddies,are loud and ghetto,commit crimes and are digusting as all get out as there are black men. We should be working together instead of tearing each other down. And Robin Givens is a stupid, no talent, pathetic never was trying to stay relevant by whining for the past two decades over TWO men that don’t even want her ass anymore. She also brags about Brad Pitt when they have been over for a long time she needs to go crawl back under her rock and stay there.”

    Vin says
    Truthful words!

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  392. BWE does not bash black men either. Unless they are bad people or useless.BWe states that most black men fall into these categories.Those we have formed mutually beneficial and healthy relationships with, or neutral- to no value to black women and girls and the issues affecting us, or they are dangerous.

    Most black men fall in the last two categories.No value/Neutral-Dangerous.

    The two bolded areas show what most of us have known for a very long time: that black women are too crazy to create logical consistent arguments. Any one who has seen a BWE site knows that most of their hits and comments do not come from guides on sleeping with white men, or from their nose straightening plastic surgery guides (some of their more popular topics), but from posts bashing so-called ‘DBR’ black men.

    The insanity of a black woman is like a time bomb. You will be with her for some time, being all happy and whatnot, the BAM!!! She flips out on you!!!. The BWE’s timebomb is even worse, it is triggered by the their self-realization of their own physical unattractiveness, obesity, overly dark complexion, simian facial features and the fact that most mixed/light-skinned women are FAR superior to them physically, intellectually and socially.

    Or they may have been sexually abused by a black men, and then come to view ALL black men as rapists. It doesn’t matter. Their sheer unattractiveness usually prevents them from breeding, so they should die off soon enough. By then our children should be prepared to deal with the next generation of wiredos.

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  393. it seems like the people who are single (and don’t have a man or woman of any race) knocking down the door to get to them are ALWAYS the most vocal and hate-filled.

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  394. What I find interesting is how black boys like vindicator and satanforce are the main ones who like to bring up ghetto gaggers whenever they get shook up by black women who make a lot of sense.

    Hmmmmm, are you two getting hard-ons by those videos as much as you do on those TS videos? Bitter black men always like to bring up this particular porn series and they seem to be the main ones to go to porn sites to watch them.

    Never do they mention how they’re ‘rent-a-dicks’ for a certain fee. Mandingo much?

    I wonder…

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  395. @ moodscope

    I’ve never seen or heard of ghetto gaggers until black men bring it up. but they don’t talk about the vids like thug hunter now the black men that have seen that and ghetto gaggers say thug hunter is the worst.

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  396. MoodScope said:
    What I find interesting is how black boys like vindicator and satanforce are the main ones who like to bring up ghetto gaggers whenever they get shook up by black women who make a lot of sense.

    Vin says:
    BWE and their idiot sympathisers rarely make any sense. If you honestly believe their BS then I truly feel sorry for you.

    MoodScope said:
    Hmmmmm, are you two getting hard-ons by those videos as much as you do on those TS videos? Bitter black men always like to bring up this particular porn series and they seem to be the main ones to go to porn sites to watch them.

    Vin says:
    Actually your beloved white men watch more porn than black men especially Ghettogaggers.
    Ghettogagger = Black women that are infatuated and worship white men yet never call them out on their (white men) bs = BWE = loser women.

    MoodScope said:
    Never do they mention how they’re ‘rent-a-dicks’ for a certain fee. Mandingo much?

    I wonder…

    Vin says:
    Why should I mention ‘rent-a-dicks’? You BWE acolytes love making false comparisons. No wonder even white men can’t stand the BWE!
    The white man can’t even save the USA. What makes you think that they’ll save black women and their poor decision making!?

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  397. mstoogood4yall said:

    @ moodscope

    I’ve never seen or heard of ghetto gaggers until black men bring it up. but they don’t talk about the vids like thug hunter now the black men that have seen that and ghetto gaggers say thug hunter is the worst.

    Vin says:
    Why should we talk about thug hunter?
    Ghettogagger is a term that many men use to describe the useless, whiny, primadonna cult known as the BWE movement!

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  398. i was replying to moodscope who was talking about the porn series. ok so u use that term as a way to describe the bwe ppl ok got it. but i was just talking about how some ppl bring up the porn series which i think should be taken down, but won’t talk about porn series degrading black men, which should also be taken down. I just don’t like the hypocrisy of some black men saying oh black women take ghetto gaggers down as if we put that nasty sheit up in the first place, but they don’t say hey black men take thug hunter down. Which imo both from what i’ve heard are very degrading, and need to be taken down, but not enough ppl are outraged about it and don’t have enough power to have it removed.

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  399. @Msgood

    Like i said; the ones who don’t have a man/woman of ANY race knocking down the door to be with them are the most vocal and opinionated when it comes to this. feel my drift?

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  400. Why should I mention ‘rent-a-dicks’?

    Why shouldn’t you? You are right, you shouldn’t. Obviously the male and female Blacks who support and are silent about such garbage have no problem being the sexual sewer and dumping grounds of suspect racists in a white supremacy system.

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  401. Sharina

    @ Why?

    “Well Duh! Obviously in their cases it did not happen in the perceived “proper” order.””

    – Nothing “just happens” on its own. Human individuals are agents that cause things to happen.

    So If “it did not happen in the perceived proper order” we must ask – how did the human agents involved in the happening conduct themselves? What behavior of these individuals caused it to happen in such an improper order that now they are left scurrying to fix it?

    “Which is why they are then seeking to render the problem after the fact.”

    – Good luck!

    “Focusing on shoulda coulda wouldas are not going to fix a darn thing. It has past for them and the new focus needs to be towards their betterment and the betterment of their children.”

    – But women who have not yet made the bad choice to lay down without protection with men who are not their husbands can be prevented from doing so in the future if they understand the severe negative consequences of it.

    “Oh if only the world were truly as cut and dry as you believe it to be. Que sera sera”

    – The world is about choices. Cause and effect. The wheel of karma.

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  402. @ phoebeprunelle

    Yea i hear ya.

    @ peanut

    Search for it at ur own risk,i’ll give u a hint of whats it about. its about macho looking black men fkin white men or getting fked.

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  403. @ Why?

    “Nothing “just happens” on its own. Human individuals are agents that cause things to happen. “—Oh! Really! I had no idea!

    “So If “it did not happen in the perceived proper order” we must ask – how did the human agents involved in the happening conduct themselves? What behavior of these individuals caused it to happen in such an improper order that now they are left scurrying to fix it?”—I agree and no doubt these questions must be asked, but their is a right way and a wrong way to go about that and often times if you take the wrong way you will not be guiding them to betterment but walking them to self destruction.

    “Good luck!”—Apparently they have a good deal of luck because single parents are still getting married and finding a worthy mate. Your problem is you assume that there is only one type of single parent.

    “But women who have not yet made the bad choice to lay down without protection with men who are not their husbands can be prevented from doing so in the future if they understand the severe negative consequences of it.”—Yet people have been preaching this same rhetoric for years and it has amounted to what? While I do not agree with you on having kids out of wedlock, what you or I may see as negative consequences others do not. I will not chastise them for it, but help them do better.

    “The world is about choices. Cause and effect. The wheel of karma.”—Yes, the world is full of choices and people are going to make choices whether you or I like it or not, so when those choices are made…the next step is to find solutions to having happy healthy human beings (kids).

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  404. “What makes you think that they’ll save black women and their poor decision making!?”—I don’t need them to save me. Luckily for me I can save my damn self. Can you say the same?

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  405. THE TRUTH HURT! If what he was saying was false then he would be ignored. He also backing it up with news clips and video showing the very behavior he is talking about ( dispute that). BOTTOM LINE, the world is sick and tired of the angry black woman and you being called out. DEAL WIT IT!

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  406. In my world he is ignored but for every clip he puts up I can make one of the opposite. Heck I can look in the mirror and see the opposite. Go out of my house and make a few clips of my own of the opposite. Of all the videos he shows they still don’t prove what he says as the majority of black women. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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  407. MyDaddySon

    Some people with microphones and cameras say a bunch of outright lies and half truths. Yet, they get a lot of people listening to them. Why do you think Fox News is still on the air?

    News clips and video doesn’t prove that most black women exhibit this kind of behavior, but some people will see them and apply as such. Why? Because there are people who will turn those black women in representatives of the whole group, people who are not too bright to see them as individuals.

    The bottom BOTTOM line is the world is indeed sick. Period. And it’s not because of “angry black women.”

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  408. @Sharina. Make the clips! Don’t talk about it, be about it. Dispute what he saying by showing the opposite. If u do that, I will be the first in line to see and I will say ” I’m sorry”. If not, then shut up and take it! A real woman wouldn’t have open her mouth because she would know that she is not being talked about

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  409. @ brothawolf

    Thank u brotha for defending us. This is where we need to uplift the positive good black brothas and sistahs and ignore the ones who aren’t. Everybody that is black is not my brotha or my sister.

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  410. @ MyDaddyson

    Maybe you are delusional on what a real woman is but here is a clue….She doesn’t sit and let some moron try to dwngrade women whether she is being talked about or not. Those videos are everywhere i don’t need to make one to show the opposite. You just got to get off your sorry behind and search for it. Google was invented just for that. When I return home I will give you a lesson in how to use it since you lack that ability.

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  411. @Peanut I think he’s exactly like that, and a silent supporter at the very least. Look how he easily proclaims his sexism. He feels free to admit it because its not something society requires him to change. He’s in a position of power with it and like all Black men will hold onto it. Some might pay lip service (and most won’t even do that) but at the end of the day what they really want is for you to play watch dog for them when they are attacked, knowing full well they don’t really care about what you’re going through as a Black woman.

    @abagond how many self proclaimed misandrists do you encourage Black men to patronize with readership/viewership?

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  412. Sharina: “I agree and no doubt these questions must be asked, but their is a right way and a wrong way to go about that and often times if you take the wrong way you will not be guiding them to betterment but walking them to self destruction.”

    – I’m not taking the wrong way nor am I walking anyone to self destruction.

    “Apparently they have a good deal of luck because single parents are still getting married and finding a worthy mate

    – Some are.

    ” Your problem is you assume that there is only one type of single parent.”

    – No. I was speaking above to a particular kind.

    ‘Yet people have been preaching this same rhetoric for years and it has amounted to what?”

    – Well, amongst people who heed the “preaching” it results in screening, testing and vetting potential future mates and fathers of offspring, marrying the ones that pass the tests, and having children and functional families.

    There are plenty of people who who follow the above script. Their family culture or wider culture often has an element of “shame” to it. They understand that it is shameful to have sex with someone based solely on sexual attraction alone, character be damned. And they understand that it is shameful to bring a child into the world fathered by a man who not only is not their husband, but is irresponsible and characterless to boot!

    They’ve understood these things because either their families or their wider culture, but often both, have taught them this.

    ” While I do not agree with you on having kids out of wedlock, what you or I may see as negative consequences others do not. I will not chastise them for it, but help them do better.”

    – Fair enough. How do you help them do better?

    “Yes, the world is full of choices and people are going to make choices whether you or I like it or not, so when those choices are made…the next step is to find solutions to having happy healthy human beings (kids).”

    – Well, once the bad choices are made, those individuals have no other option than to find a solution to their mistakes. It is certainly not my personal responsibility to find them a solution.

    However what I can do is share these ideas with girls and young women who may not have been taught these things from their family or culture BEFORE they become sexually active.

    That much I can do.

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  413. @ mstoogood4yall

    That is because brothawolf has proven time and time again to be a man. We are sadly arguing with some boys in here.

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  414. @ Why?

    ” I’m not taking the wrong way nor am I walking anyone to self destruction.”—And this statement is where we as people start to put our blinders on. We think in our minds that we are not doing something and what we are actually doing is the opposite.

    ” Some are.”—Maybe to you but it goes back to what I have asked you before. How are you declaring some? I have seen it happen quite a bit recently, but that is just my experience.

    ” No. I was speaking above to a particular kind.”—Fair enough and I don’t dispute those kind one bit.

    “There are plenty of people who who follow the above script. Their family culture or wider culture often has an element of “shame” to it. They understand that it is shameful to have sex with someone based solely on sexual attraction alone, character be damned. And they understand that it is shameful to bring a child into the world fathered by a man who not only is not their husband, but is irresponsible and characterless to boot! “—-I don’t disagree, but it still does not change the amount that have still made the choice to go in the opposite direction. Heck I know women that have known this from the jump but are still single parents. So like I said before…..Yet people have been preaching this same rhetoric for years and it has amounted to what? Some people don’t listen because they don’t want to or either they think they are immune.

    “Fair enough. How do you help them do better?”—I am working with a single parent now and I will use her as an example. For starters by being an example. What better than seeing someone be better. Offer friendly advice. Don’t go in with the shame tactics because it only distance them. Try to work with them on a friend level. The family proclamation is a part of our church and its principles so it is also something she will learn, but when you think of it it is really more teaching them the right.

    ” Well, once the bad choices are made, those individuals have no other option than to find a solution to their mistakes. It is certainly not my personal responsibility to find them a solution.”—You would think but not always the case sadly. The way i see it is if you have the time and energy to chastise then you have the same time and energy to offer a solution or advice. Not saying that to be mean but repeating what was said to me once (oh yeah! I was as hardcore as you once:))

    “However what I can do is share these ideas with girls and young women who may not have been taught these things from their family or culture BEFORE they become sexually active.

    That much I can do.—–Fair enough and it is really all anyone can honestly ask to be done. For those that have made their bed…I want to help, but I am aware that I am limited (was told I need to set limits as people take advantage if I don’t)

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  415. And Why….I agree with you on a lot even if it seems like I am being hard.

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  416. @ MyDaddySon

    If you open Google and type in successful black women I am sure it can help open your eyes to the success of black women. Just one proof that all women are not the way Tommy portrays them.

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65Z0cNKDAoI&feature=share&list=FLCCL7d8NSJjBZ4NypJLFKZQ🙂

    Now does this woman look loud? Does she look ignorant? Heck if you actually search youtube you will find other videos like this, but like one commenter said on another blog. It is easy to find videos of the bad, but the good is carefully hidden. This is one of several I found of black women being the opposite.

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  417. Abagond not sure if I added the video correctly but if not sorry. If you don’t want it in this thread then let me know.

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  418. ” Some are.”—Maybe to you but it goes back to what I have asked you before. How are you declaring some? I have seen it happen quite a bit recently, but that is just my experience.”

    I’ve seen it happen but in most of the cases I’ve seen that step-father or step-mother relationship has not been healthy for the children.

    “The way i see it is if you have the time and energy to chastise then you have the same time and energy to offer a solution or advice.”

    I offered my advice to single parents: Don’t date! In many cases it is not good for the kids.

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  419. @ Why?

    Fair enough. 🙂

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  420. @ Brothawolf

    Thank you and thank any other men in the room who stood up for black women. You are appreciated and the reason why I will continue to fight for those good black men out there.

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  421. Does anyone remember Blaque Indigo?

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  422. @Abagond

    You comment policy says:

    “Moderation: Comments get thrown to moderation if they:
    1. Have more than two links.
    2. Use a moderated word: bitch, boy, chink, cock, cracker, cunt, dick, fuck, gook, gorilla, honky, idiot, jigaboo, kaffir, motherfucker, nazi, nigga, nigger, piss, pussy, shit, skinhead, spic, tits, whiteboy, whitey and any form of these words.

    I reserve the right to delete comments that are:
    • ad hominem attacks or name calling”
    _____________________

    Satanforces comment is in violaton of you comment policy. It includes a form of the word gorilla, “simian”:

    “The insanity of a black woman is like a time bomb. You will be with her for some time, being all happy and whatnot, the BAM!!! She flips out on you!!!. The BWE’s timebomb is even worse, it is triggered by the their self-realization of their own physical unattractiveness, obesity, overly dark complexion, simian facial features and the fact that most mixed/light-skinned women are FAR superior to them physically, intellectually and socially. ”

    ______________________

    Vindicator also violates your comment policy by calling commentors on this thread Ghetto Gaggers:

    “I see we have 2 BWE acolytes/Ghettogaggers in the mist of this thread”

    __________________
    Since these comments were posted I’m guessing that you are backsliding on your new found awareness of your sexism. If a white troll made such comments you would have never posted them. Tell the truth, when you read Satanforce’s comment did you chuckle inside? You have learned a lot about yourself as a result of this post on Tommy Sotomayor. O.K, so you do not occupy as much moral high ground you thought you did. You need to decide whether you want to kick us (black women) or hug us. Just do better. There is nothing easy about being an ally to a group of people you have been told are worthless your entire life.

    _________________________
    @Satanforce

    Question: Why do black men carry salt in their back pockets?

    Answer: in case they happen to come across a black woman that has wounds.

    Stay classy Satanforce

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  423. @ Why

    I will be honest in saying I am unaware of the individual.

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  424. We’re still taking the ‘beg the Black man to see the error in his ways’ even when he’s openly showing you its not his concern approach, eh?

    OK, Black woman. Whatever.

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  425. @Sharina

    That one female ( youtube link) doesn’t change anything, a search on youtube of successful women doesn’t change anything either. The beauty of all this is alot of black women are being exposed for what they really are about and they are so far gone that the damage control is not working. Olivia Pope couldn’t save you right now.

    @Brothawolf

    You going down with them. You not part of the solution, you part of the problem because you not man enough to stand up. Instead you wanna be captain-save-a-ho , who they clown as soon as you not around.

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  426. For those of you that have twitter, go to your search and type “Black girls” every so often and see what comes up. See all the hatred your Black male “allies” fling at you and all that look like you unwarranted and unrelenting day and night. And who is seeing those tweets? EVERYONE. Which is purposeful on their part, because they want to break down Black women in a public matter, to destroy her image so all the rest of the world can surely view her with similar hatred. But the worst of it all, a lot of teenage Black girls are reading it. In the most self conscious, confusing part of their lives, they are having to defend their very right to exist without ridicule against klansmen in Black skin.

    Keep begging though.

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  427. @ Pinkmatter

    What is it that you’re advocating?

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  428. @ MyDaddySon

    I guess you missed that part where I said……”Heck if you actually search youtube you will find other videos like this” but true to the nature of your kind you were too sorry to look it up. I guess if you continue to believe that the majority of black women are what Tommy says then you might feel better about yourself. In the time it took me to find that video I actually found 6 more of successful black women with sense. Took me a total of 2 mins. Do you know why I found them? because I looked for them. Do you know why you can’t find them? because you are not looking for them.

    So the only thing that has been exposed is you. Now you go look for that imaginary Olivia pope and while you are at it look up the real life black woman that she actually portrays.
    While you are at it enjoy these two videos on me.

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcAyhtMcKgQ&feature=share&list=FLCCL7d8NSJjBZ4NypJLFKZQ)

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzQ0EWO4FFU&feature=share&list=FLCCL7d8NSJjBZ4NypJLFKZQ)

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  429. @abagond, @pinkmatter

    I submitted a comment on Sunday to Pinkmatter it was never posted?

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  430. @ MyDaddySon

    My comment is in moderation due to other videos.

    “That one female ( youtube link) doesn’t change anything, a search on youtube of successful women doesn’t change anything either. “—I never said search youtube but google. Does the word google look like youtube? I think not.

    Here is the beauty of all this……What tommy says and his videos still are not portraying the majority of black women. Sadly you don’t get this or just can’t get this. If Tommy showed six videos then all I have to do is find six videos and it cancels his theory out and dear I have 11 videos in my arsenal already. Here is more proof that the black woman is doing nothing. LOL

    http://www.jbhe.com/news_views/51_gendergap_universities.html

    I can do this all day but I rather you save what little bit of manhood…excuse me boyhood you have left and scurry under that rock you jumped out of or not. My case was proven before it began, so you can continue to believe as you choose.

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  431. @ The Alchemist

    I deleted the Vindicator comment as mere name calling. My mistake.

    As to Satanforce – and Herneith – I generally give them a little more leeway since they have a sense of humour based on mocking people. In this case I understand him to be mocking BWE self-hatred by making it look ridiculous, not to be expressing his own honest opinion of their looks.

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  432. idk who the heck blaque indigo is i just looked her up and i saw a vid of her saying how she made a naked vid for her bf and it leaked. That is all i see about her.

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  433. @ mstoogood4yall

    hmmm..I wonder how it leaked. LOL

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  434. @ MyDaddySon

    “He also backing it up with news clips and video showing the very behavior he is talking about ( dispute that). “

    This is one of the main flaws in Sotomayor’s style of thinking. There is a name in psychology for it: confirmation bias. He cherry picks his data to support what he wants to believe anyway:

    https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/08/03/confirmation-bias/

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  435. @ sharina

    In the vid on youtube she said her bf email account was hacked, and how she found out was that the person that hacked his account forwarded it everyone on the contact list including her. Other than that idk much about her or why she is kinda popular.

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  436. @ mstoogood4yall

    If she knew what I know. Never save and or put anything on a computer. Way too risky. She should have went old school and put it on vhs. LOL

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  437. @Sharina

    If your case was proven then you wouldn’t have replied to my first message

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  438. @ “King”

    I am advocating Black women focusing on themselves and improving our own situation without regard for anyone else’s INCLUDING Black men. Every other group has all proven to not only not be allies of Black women, but predators and opportunists of us.

    The reason I focus on Black men is because this is the last string Black women are holding onto for no good reason. They see the evil in whites, they see the lack of empathy in all other races, but still despite the blatant displays of the same behavior or even worse for Black men, they hang on to a lost cause, and lose more of their value and self respect by doing so.

    I advocate No more begging Black men to protect us, being overly concerned with their issues, wishing hoping praying they’ll value us the way they value non-Black women, wishing hoping praying they’ll even stop attacking us and our self worth publicly, or that any other Black men will stand up to speak against those who do. I advocate to just stop relying on the fairytale that Black men did or ever will give a shit about the Black female experience all together. It is a lie and a fallacy. They have shown and continue to show in every way they don’t, and it makes me ill that Black women still pine for it and degrade themselves like this–returning Black men’s poison with love.

    This invisible community that Black women keep wanting to build up and contribute to is honestly already only full of Black women anyway. We are the ones who by and large put in all the footwork as it is, and do so alone. Holding up the weight of the “community” on your shoulders while being dragged down and having mud kicked in your face by the very people who benefit from your martyrdom the most (Black men) is NO WAY TO LIVE and definitely NO WAY TO FIND HAPPINESS/PEACE.

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  439. @abagond

    I live in the everyday world and I see what he is saying. Forget the videos, I see it! I saw it and spoke on it before I knew anything about Tommy. I’m black, I grew up in a black neighborhood, attended a mostly black HS, graduated from a black college and I’m employed by one the biggest companies in the world. Translation, I been surrounded by black women my whole life and alot of them are living foul. If they would be more honest about their faults then I would shut up but as long as they wanna put real black men down and run around with someone else hair on their head talking about they a queen then I’m standing up. I will say that there are some good ones left but not many. When women put bad black men (thugs, players) on blast, I agree but when someone puts bad black women on blast, people get bother. Why is that?

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  440. on Wed Jul 10th 2013 at 04:57:24 Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    MyDaddySon

    “Instead you wanna be captain-save-a-ho , who they clown as soon as you not around.”

    That’s the same thing I thought. They keep a man like him around like a little doggy on a leash. They’d give it to a ssahole before they’d give it to him. Cuz women don’t respect a man who kiss their ssa.

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  441. @Mr Piggle-Wiggle

    Exactly

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  442. That BB&W article about Kerry Washington was written by Jamila Akil who Obsidian used to bait, berate and try to defeat in debate over at his blog.

    Has Obsidian ever poked his head in ’round these parts?

    Dead beat baby daddies, abusive boyfriends, men using women for money or a place to “chill” would all disappear within 5 years tops if women would just establish some dating/mating standards and ethics and stick to those standards and ethics come what may.

    A woman with standards and ethics will create an energy field around herself which will only attract other people of similar standards and ethics. (The Law of Attraction in action).

    Dead beats and cheats will not exist in her universe. If all women did this, the dead beat gene pool could die out in one generation.

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  443. (http://youtu.be/KxCpVnHuJe8)

    This s what I’ve been saying all along about the white gay community, saying, “Gay is the new black”. Stop comparing our struggle with yours, it’s not the same and it’s an insult to every black person.

    Whites have long used our struggle as a way to garner, sympathy from the black community and when they get what they want, they gone!

    Every other racial group, gets their agenda for filled. Gay community with Doma and Latino community with immigration reform.

    What about the black agenda? Oh yeah, we got section 5 of the voter rights act, struck down. Affirmative action is next! Watch the video and you will see how tommy is making sense in this video.

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  444. @Why?

    You are right about women needing to establish some dating/mating standards. Also, good black men need to do the same and really stick to it and stop allowing bad women into his life because he believes that she will change because she now dealing with a good man. For the good brothers, date good women. By good I mean a women that has the same high morals as you and if you see that she is faking, walk away. Don’t wait around for her to get right or you will be waiting forever. We as men need to make some hard decision if we want to do the right thing. Don’t let these women brainwash you into thinking its all about them. We are the only race of people that are lead by our women and look where it has put us in terms of family in this country, dead last. The first family may be black but it fall off bad after them.

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  445. @ pinkmatter

    I can’t argue with much of what you say.
    Black women not only have to deal with racism but sexism as well.

    However, there are no monoliths, just individuals. There are plenty of good and bad in both Black men and women, just like in every ethnicity, I’ll warrant.

    I hope you can also advocate for reconciliation, restoration and peace.

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  446. Why,

    Dead beat baby daddies, abusive boyfriends, men using women for money or a place to “chill” would all disappear within 5 years tops if women would just establish some dating/mating standards and ethics and stick to those standards and ethics come what may.

    A woman with standards and ethics will create an energy field around herself which will only attract other people of similar standards and ethics. (The Law of Attraction in action).

    Dead beats and cheats will not exist in her universe. If all women did this, the dead beat gene pool could die out in one generation.

    The women who don’t have whatever standards you think will manifest this outcome of virtuous men are products of the same environment that produces these men.

    This same environment, one in which women are responsible not only for their own behavior but the behavior of men who have much more power than they do, is what you are advocating. It’s the current state of affairs. It is what produces men who don’t feel responsible for their children or themselves. It produces women who rebel against those standards or laws, because you can’t have law when it doesn’t apply equally to everyone.

    The discussion shouldn’t be about what black men need to do or what black women need to do. It should be about what those of us who are aware need to do, regardless of gender. They are your allies. Not women, not men, not blacks, not whites. It is those who are ready and willing to do the work. The work being creating an equal and just society.

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  447. “The discussion shouldn’t be about what black men need to do or what black women need to do. It should be about what those of us who are aware need to do, regardless of gender. They are your allies. Not women, not men, not blacks, not whites. It is those who are ready and willing to do the work. The work being creating an equal and just society.”

    Quoted for Truth!
    Bravo!

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  448. @ King and Solesearch

    I second that.

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  449. @ MyDaddySon

    Wrong! My replying or not replying is not an indication that it was proven or not. Me replying was because I wanted to. I am no fan of people trying to claim what the majority of black men or women are doing. Especially if they are taking cues from youtube videos.

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  450. Even more so the idea that anyone in this room knows the majority is absurd. It is flawed reasoning. Putting on the woe is me story won’t make it more reasonable.

    @ Mr Piggle-Wiggle
    “Cuz women don’t respect a man who kiss their ssa.”—Surprisingly something we can agree on, but still amazes me that you believe you know the minds of “all” women.

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  451. Now the reason I agree is because I have witnessed women who are given too much of a pass take advantage of it and loose respect for their man, but what brothawolf did I do not consider kissing azz. I consider it standing up for a wrong. In doing that I have to respect him. I do respect him. His words were very true.

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  452. “Dead beat baby daddies, abusive boyfriends, men using women for money or a place to “chill” would all disappear within 5 years tops if women would just establish some dating/mating standards and ethics and stick to those standards and ethics come what may.”

    No there would be more rape.

    @Vindicator may the violence and destruction that you speak and wish on me and other black women visit you.Unlike you I don’t do threats but I curse often.

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  453. @pink matter said “I advocate to just stop relying on the fairytale that Black men did or ever will give a shit about the Black female experience all together. It is a lie and a fallacy.”

    Agree.Black women and girls should just move on and pay no mind at all to black men collectively.Only those that are valuable to them.

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  454. @misstoogoodforyall Blaque Indigo is a black woman who agreed with the hatred and vitriol from black men like TS and SWP.She was in the Amen choir.She was a sister soldier/special snowflake just like Lavern.Her past caught up to her when it was found out that while she was dogging other black women for being gold diggers, and every other bad thing in the book,she allowed a white man to put his penis in her face for money ON TAPE.She also had a sex tape leak on the internet.

    She seemed to desperately want the love and validation of black men who were damaged beyond repair just as she is.She wanted this love and validation to the point of throwing other black women and girls under the bus.

    Apparently she now is a stripper and she also does porn.

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  455. I will say that there are some good ones left but not many. When women put bad black men (thugs, players) on blast, I agree but when someone puts bad black women on blast, people get bother. Why is that?

    Jesus Christ, not this good black man vs bad black man bullshit. We always seem to get one or two of these nerds/geeks/socially awkward wierdoes whenever these discussions come about. These guys have managed to subsist their inability to get pussy into the greater Afro-American social narrative by saying that the problems with the Afro-American community is because black women have sex with “thugs” and not good guys like them. No. bredda, the reason you can’t get laid is not because of other men, but because you are lame!!

    This same environment, one in which women are responsible not only for their own behavior but the behavior of men who have much more power than they do, is what you are advocating. It’s the current state of affairs.

    I’d say that black women have the advantage of the state behind them. I have seen enough cases of black men, here and abroad being made to pay child support for children that are not theirs, being made to leave their own homes and leave their babymothers in it , and being denied DNA tests for children that are obviously not theirs. All a black woman need do is threaten to call the police enough times to condition her man like Pavlov’s dog.

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  456. I’ve never seen or heard of ghetto gaggers until black men bring it up. but they don’t talk about the vids like thug hunter now the black men that have seen that and ghetto gaggers say thug hunter is the worst.

    @ mstoogood4yall

    Now, I know that trolling a topic as sensitive as this one can give us a lot of LULZ – believe me, I’ve been getting LULZ from this comments section since it was posted. But the simple fact that you would troll us with Thug Hunter gayness, goes beyond mere trolling and reaches pure evil. How could you be so wicked? I put thug hunter into my Google (added -holyland of course. Awesome manga), expecting to get some MILF white ladies going into the ghetto and sexing thugs a la MILFs Like it Black and Exploited Moms. How wrong I was. How wrong I was.

    I’m sorry, but even trolling has standards, standards that you have just violated. I have been speaking to Abagond via e-mail, and I feel reasonably certain that we wont be seeing much of you any longer………

    What I find interesting is how black boys like vindicator and satanforce are the main ones who like to bring up ghetto gaggers whenever they get shook up by black women who make a lot of sense.

    @moodscope

    You poor sad obese creature sitting all alone on your floor stealing your neighbour’s wireless while your 4 nappy headed children run around you. You think the white man is going to save you from your mess? I see you are fascinated with Ghetto Gaggers. This is no surprise, as most of you BWE types interpret the abuse that the white man delivers onto you as love. Just look at how quickly you defended the makers of Ghetto Gaggers, while calling me and Vindicator ‘black boys.’ Pathetic. If that is type of attention that you seek from white men , great. Continue to enjoy your Ghetto Gagger DVDs. Noone here will miss you.

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  457. @Truth P

    You know what I agree with that. There is no sense in paying any attention to black men that can not value women.

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  458. satanforce,

    I’d say that black women have the advantage of the state behind them. I have seen enough cases of black men, here and abroad being made to pay child support for children that are not theirs, being made to leave their own homes and leave their babymothers in it , and being denied DNA tests for children that are obviously not theirs. All a black woman need do is threaten to call the police enough times to condition her man like Pavlov’s dog.

    It seems like you are saying the current child support system is unjust and broken, but somehow women are supposed to use it to control men and get them to take care of their children, although the children aren’t really theirs.

    Is that it?

    I will say this, the state is ran by men. The rules are made by men. They reflect the values and desires of men. A system in which a man sole responsibility to his children is financial is pretty much inline with age old gender roles.

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  459. @satanforce

    LMAO, you can see me? I’m a nerd/geek, cool. I’ll take nerd. I think nerds are cool but in the black community that is looked down on cause the women want a roughneck. If someone makes vaild points, what difference should it make what they are. To say I didn’t get any is funny considering how easy it is to sleep with black women and before someone get mad, look at all these women with multiple kids by different men and never been married. If i didn’t get any from them, that wouldn’t be a bad thing, lol. Thank you for the nerd comment, its better than being called prettyboy and labeled a playa based on my facial features and height, which I been hearing all my life. Its cool to be recognized for my brain for a change. 🙂

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  460. @ MyDaddySon

    Wow. This is just messed up. Please tell us how you account for the fact that your idea of black people is little different than that of white people who get most of their ideas about blacks from television. Even most white commenters on this blog show more nuance and real-world thinking than you do.

    Your endorsement of Sotomayor is pretty damning (for Sotomayor, not you).

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  461. @ satanforce

    Rofl. i told u to search for it at ur own risk and i even said what it was about. when i heard about it i thought it was going to be about someone going after black men with violence or something. I wish i hadn’t looked either, but at least we see what kind of sick ppl put this stuff out there. ANd we see how they degrade black men and women with this mess. U think that is bad, well just look up buck breaking, it was what white men did to black males during slavery, so thug hunter is basically the modern version of that except these men are willing smh,

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  462. @ peanut

    U forgot brothawolf, i think he was the first man to speak up and say something. Yeah blaming each other doesn’t help, but i do see the hypocrisy, of how some black men will point out what some black women do and be like sistahs yall need to call these women out. But they don’t do the same to the black men that say some crazy sheit. I’ve been calling out these ppl that come on here and make broad generalizations about black men, even when sometimes i sense they may be a troll so the brothas know where i stand. BUt i’m also in favor of ignoring these types, and only talking to the conscious positive black ppl on here which is why i don’t respond to certain commenters on here.

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  463. @ mstoogood4yall

    That is what I need to start doing.

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  464. @ the lovely women of this blog space

    I called it very early that it would be a thread that would be filled with BW bashing trolls. I enjoy the commentary by enlightened folks and (you all know who you are) the rest, I too put on IGNORE mode. *almost like a 2yr old having a tantrum, if you don’t give into their tantrum they eventually fall down from exhaustion and nap* 😆

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  465. @ sharina
    yeah, it is good to ignore some ppl, As black women sometimes we get baited and ppl want a reaction out of us so they can say see i knew yall were angry and bitter black women, i don’t want to give them the satisfaction. I know it sucks but as women we deal with the added sexism. BLack men don’t like to be baited into a fight and things then they are the ones getting arrested and going to jail. i saw 2 vids of a gay guy spititing in a black mans face, in one vid the black man pushed him in response and was arrested, the gay white guy got to walk away. In another vid the gay white guy spit in a brothas face and the brotha didn’t do anything, and wasn’t arrested. Sometimes we just gotta choose our battles so we can fight another day. Most of it is just white noise and needs to be on mute because its just a distraction.
    so anyway how are u doing today sistah?

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  466. @abagond

    i could care less about how another race comments compares to what i say whether they agree or disagree. All our community does is put down the man and as soon as you hold the woman to the fire its bashing. Whatever I say or anyone else making sense, it will be made a mockery of. Go ahead and live your lies, its the american way but when the boat sink, I won’t be on it.

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  467. @ mstoogood4yall

    I’m good and you? Did you enjoy your vacation.

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  468. @ sharina

    yes i enjoyed my vacation thanks for asking, i observed some interesting things while there. and it was good to go somewhere where it was a lot of ppl that look like me. It was great seeing my grandmother and her crazy ass dog and my little cousins are getting so big. The food was great too.

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  469. I take up for the real black women. Not the ones spending 9 billion a year to look like someone else. Not the ones thats whoring or bashing real men out here. The truth of the matter is some of us have sold out and don’t know it or don’t wanna come to grips with our choices. Which is cool with me, I just like picking at bullies. I’m on the right side of the fence and now I’m about to sit back and watch.

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  470. @ peanut

    That is good, i feel we should not waste our time arguing with men, let another man correct the other males. If they do great, if they don’t fine, that is not my problem. IF they feel it isn’t their problem to correct them then it sure as hell isn’t my problem either. men are to teach the young men how to be men. That is not our issue, our issue is to look after each other and nurture the coming generation of girls.

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  471. @ MyDaddySon

    I will make this my very last comment to you. You are not taking up for real women and considering how you went about it I would not want any man like you taking up for me. So you can save the greater good bs.

    I don’t like things about certain people but I would never jump on the bandwagon to disrespect them. Something I was taught by some REAL men. It would be disrespect to myself to even utter and give praise to such foul wording as b*tch wh*re or whatever disgusting words people come up with these days. One can not say they respect women and then turn around and disrespect another.

    Any woman with a man like that needs to ask the question…”how long before he disrespects me?” You do what you do, but nothing you do or say will guilt me into seeing it your way.Hey I have been called a sell-out before so not like it is the death of me.

    I’m done

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  472. @ Peanut

    ” I recommend that he check out the book “Still Brave: the evolution of black women’s studies,” and also the combahee river collection.”

    Thank you!

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  473. on Thu Jul 11th 2013 at 01:17:31 King of Trouble

    I never thought this thread would go on for so long. It took one black woman and one black man to get me. How could I look at any of those and think less than other. One would have to hate themselves to the core to do it. One would have to disrespect their ancestors to do it. One would have to have lost their mind to do. I have not said a lot because I know anything less than brilliant, sexy, a wholeness is a lie and is rot to your soul. Black women create beautiful people no matter where they are how dark or light they may be. All this bashing is just mud and black women are stronger than it. Maybe history has lost the songs that were song about your beauty but it has never been forgotten. Nor the fact that Alexander halted, Portugal had to stoop low to win, and that is just a few of the minds that brighten our history. If a black women feels to her core that she is sexy, beautiful, and desirable then she is. The universe itself has to been over backwards to try an make her not.

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  474. on Thu Jul 11th 2013 at 02:13:52 IJusWannaSay...

    Ah, Satanforce (LOL! Such a bad name! Scary! LOLOLOLOL!!!)

    Such a hurt widdle doggie!

    I have no children, and given the messed up mentality of the lot of you, I’ve chosen to not do so. Best decision EVER!

    Wow, how did it feel to call me ‘nappy head?’ I’m black and I love my hair, and every style I choose to wear with it. Your point?

    I’m not nor will I ever obese (is that the best you can do? LOLOL!!!). My body is on point, so don’cha worry about my health 🙂 You’ll never have the pleasure of seeing such ebony perfection, but I digress…

    You brought up the subject of GG again. Dang, do you and the other bitter black males have viewing parties for these things? You all seem to love to bring it up when your little peenie-weenie manhood gets rattled by an evil black woman such as myself.

    *sigh*

    Bitter black dudes like you make me laugh.

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  475. I bashed Robin Givens because she is an opportunist little jerk looking for attention by whining about a man she was DUMPED by years ago! Her being a black woman doesn’t make her any less pathetic nor does it absolve any of you from criticism. The problem is that many black women like the ones here are so damn arrogant that you flat out REFUSE to acknowlegde any faults or flaws. Then continually play the victim as if being marginalized makes you magically incapable of any accountability for the part you play in the problems with the black community. You have this idealogy that your s**t don’t stink while you play ‘woe is me’ in some real-life perpetual Toni Morrison novel. Making heroes out of people like Oprah who has proven time again the she herself doesn’t give a crap about black women. or acting as if any criticism no matter how constructive is an attack on the already laid bare helpless black female psyche. Give me a damn break! You are not helpless denizens with the forever evil black male cabal out to get you. There are some problems black women face that you bring completely on yourselves but you are too busy getting defensive as if you should never face critcism.

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  476. Damn Abagond,

    Your posts on Black women never fail to attract the psychos…

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  477. @ Lavern

    ” Her being a black woman doesn’t make her any less pathetic nor does it absolve any of you from criticism.”—Honey if any one feels that are absolved of criticism it is you.

    I just pointed out one of your faults and instead of accepting them as you claim many should you are ready to go on the defense. Ignoring yours and pointing out others does not by any means put you on a higher pedestal. This category you claim others are in so are you.

    No one (and like i said quote one that has) said black women do not have faults. It is just you and your psycho babel that seem to believe that, but faults of those black women should not be faults of all black women. All black women should not be made to suffer and be treated like crap for others.

    So before you started telling me what I think believe and etc. Check yourself or actually read what I actually said.

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  478. I find it interesting that Black women are all these horrible things–according to Black people…*coughs* Vindicator and *coughs* Lavern,

    but, it was a Black woman who ranked #1 on Granta’s “The Thinking Man’s Sex Symbol”.

    So much for those overweight, don’t-need-no-man, ghetto, piss colored weave wearing mamas.

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  479. Granta is a literary mag published in the U.K.

    Every year they have a popularity contest in which they rank 10 women as the sexiest women based on not only good looks, but academic, political or literary accomplishments. The women usually have characteristic that only “thinking” or intellectual minded men would find attractive.

    Zadie Smith has made the list twice and Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie has made the list once.

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  480. Oh, and i think Chike Unigwe–a Nigerian writer based in Antwerp is set to make the list soon.

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  481. i’d never heard of that which black women was voted #1?

    Zadie Smith…they noted her love of hip-hop and simplistic way of dress.

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  482. TOMMY SOTOMAYOR IS THE KING OF YOUTUBE AND IF YOU DON’T AGREE WITH UR GAY!

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  483. Such adult like behavior. Lol.

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  484. Peanut,

    I accept your apology. Thank you! I also apologize if what I said seemed like derailing.

    The following isn’t toward you, Peanut. We’re cool. It explains why I speak out on what I see being done often.

    But, I have to speak out against this because it is just as toxic as Tommy’s or anyone else who may be divisive. I feel that a lot of times, light skinned (particularly women) seem to be the scapegoat for something that they did not create. People (particularly women) lash out at them because they are thought to have some sort of privilege and because, honestly, it may make them feel better.

    Logically and morally, that is wrong.

    It is the equivalent bashing tall men for having more advantages. Or going to a shop and getting irate and lashing out at the sales clerk because that store franchise doesn’t carry a certain item. Why lash at the sales clerk? It may make you temporarily better, but doesn’t insight change. They have nothing to do with that. If you want change, go to the real source.

    That is what I see being done in our own community. Also, most often, when I have witnessed darker skinned people being bashed, it is by dark people. People in their own families. That is just as wrong.

    There was an article today stating that we are in a new era of Civil Rights. We are not the same caliber of people they were during the Civil Rights of the ’60′s. They were more united. They were not preoccupied with this dark-skinned/light skinned issue. Who likes what type of woman more. Which group ages fastest or is most desired. They were on a mission. We cannot win in this day and age without unity.

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  485. Abagond,

    I request that you add the term “high yella” as in “high yella tears” to the list of offensive terms. That is the equivalent to jig@@. It is also meant to be very hurtful.

    Thank you!

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  486. @ALL

    After putting two and two together; Lavern is probably a poster by the name of Lavern Merriweather who writes numerous guest posts for Brothawolf ALL dealing with how white men have kept Black men from white women–i mean every single post it writes is about that. Hence why he or she is discrediting Black women on this thread because the “logic” is we are in kahoots with white men to keep BM/ww apart.

    For the life of me–i can’t figure why Brothawolf can’t see through the smokescreen of that white people obsessed poster…

    Word to the Wise:

    Many Black people–especially Black men have been lead to believe that they were truly kept from white women and this was not the big picture nor was it based on any real facts. Black men throughout much of our history here in America slept with, married and procreated with white women (both here in the States and overseas during both World Wars). The only thing was that after Reconstruction–he could not have an “open” relationship with white women (meaning oh yes–he could be with her behind closed doors). Ya see, white people have a LONG history of secret sexual liaisons between themselves and other people that was just not talked about.

    You would be an absolute fool to believe that the mixed raced Black children in this country during Reconstruction, and Jim Crow were ONLY the product of BW/wm

    Besides this, most documented lynchings of Black men had nothing to do with Black men being perceived to go after white women. They had to do with white people (both men and women) being threatened of the economic and educational advances of these Black men and their communities. Don’t believe me: “100 Years of Lynching” by Ralph Ginzburg. In many cases, the victims of the lynchings were just randomly selected to set an example to the community of uppity Black women and Black men who no longer needed to sharecrop for white farmers.

    And one thing that almost ALWAYS gets overlooked by people who want to have a selective memory as Ginzburg points out is that MANY Black men were lynched trying to protect the honor of their Black wives, lovers, sisters and other Black women in their communities.

    If anyone needs me to provide links and articles, i will be most happy to do so.

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  487. phoebeprunelle:

    Please provide links…educate a brotha. ^_^

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  488. Randomly, I dipped into this thread because I liked the name “Sotomayor”, I recall watching a handsome Cuban long-jumper with that name, but had never heard of this character, Tommy.

    This is one of those threads I cannot believe.

    There are more than 500 comments here, but I stopped at the 3rd one by Lifelearner, which says…

    *sidenote* Abagond-you did leave the door open for trolls to bash Black women

    The door is always open here for bullying, too, even if it is not said directly, or implied — it will be endorsed.

    Neither, do I understand Abagond’s association of the word “intelligent” with the entity “Tommy Sotomayor”.
    A magnetic vocal delivery is not the same thing as being intelligent.
    Having a good ranting voice doesn’t mean you are smart. A deep voice doesn’t mean you are an “authority” — it just SOUNDS like it should follow that way…

    It is merely the triumph of style over content.
    Reverence to male rightness, even though Sotomayor is blatantly ignorant as he is cruel.

    I also cannot believe the juxtaposition of the BWE with Sotomayor either.
    Is this mere ignorance on the part of the writer, or misogynistic double standards playing out here AGAIN and AGAIN?

    This is almost like the way this blog’s Comment Policy is implemented.

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  489. Hello Bulanik– your words are true.

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  490. again it is a roughneck approach but it broaches a discussion of the underclass, that is the saving grace. Noone wants to admit the hood is full of young, mostly single people who have nothing to do and there’s no work, it is a piece that truly needs to be discussed

    he seems to share the ‘anti-non-mainstream’ approach that would engender definition as a racist from a white person here, i guess call it self-hate? He does seem to focus in on black women, i am not sure what happened to make him feel that way, especially since his mom is (as he claims) rich and is financing him and buying him stuff, so who knows, man, that part is pretty hypocritical

    there is no consistant viewpoint or approach, he wavers, and seems genuinely confused, like he just got out of jail or something maybe …

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  491. @ temple, thank you.
    I am late to the party of course, out of touch here, and totally behind with reading up on what others have said here (lol), but I am coming close to a conclusion of my own, even though I shouldn’t be here…

    I do not like bullies.
    I do not care for the enablers of bullying and cultivators of bullying culture.

    What I also believe there are many men who simply do not bully and harass others on the internet, and won’t stand for it when they see it.
    Especially when harassment is directed at women because a clique of men think a woman is an “easy target”.

    The example that follows is not IT precisely, the details are not the same, I know, but the the principle is not that different, and goes to show that there are ways of facing this and tackling the problem and treating women with decency.
    Just compare:

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9rj3ahynFU)

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  492. @ phoebeprunelle: Shut the front door. This is very weird and strange. Lavern,was getting very acerbic and I didn’t enjoy her post anymore. Stop commenting on them. Does Brotha Wolf know about this? Why is this crazy stuff happening?

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  493. * I stopped commenting*

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  494. Lavern,was getting very acerbic and I didn’t enjoy her post anymore. I stopped commenting

    Those posts became very hate filled with lots of profanity to boot. Very similar to Sotomayor’s style.

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  495. @Sondis,

    http://www.greatblacksinwax.org/Exhibits/lynching.htm

    What should be noted is that according to Black historians, rape used as an accusation towards Black men only happened one-third of the time–in other words; it was a very rare accusation. There were many white men who didn’t care if Black men had relations with white women because many of them were having relations with Black women. Fact. Yet it was about doing this in a way that upheld Jim Crow “etiquette”

    If, as many scholars suggest, lynchings more often occurred where slave culture had prevailed, then portions of the state settled by southerners should exhibit a higher proportion. Plotted on a map, almost all of the lynchings from 1908 through 1916 occurred south and east of the Miami-Altus line, an area where southerners predominated. There, the southern Indians’ traditional attitudes toward black slaves was reinforced by white migration from southern states into the Indian Nations before and after the Civil War. By 1900 whites, more than two-thirds southern in origin, outnumbered Indians. Complicating the situation, after allotment freedmen and African American immigrants from other states congregated in the region, creating numerous All-Black towns. The high visibility and relative prosperity of the freedmen’s towns in Indian Territory, blacks’ demands for political rights, a mass migration of blacks to Oklahoma Territory, and the suggestion that Oklahoma might become an All-Black state apparently posed a social, economic,and political threat, stimulating a time-honored method of social control mob violence.

    There are more articles that i have read, i just can’t locate them all.

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  496. it is a career with this guy he is becoming a public figure right in front of us it’s interesting

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  497. Tommy, Love the fact that you speak your mind, but our issues are not race anymore, our issues in totality are morals. it does not matter if you are white, black, Chinese etc. we have a human compass that has gone badly off course in so many areas. American society is based on an education program of TV culture, the majority of us receive our core education and moral norms from this little/big screen. It offers the appearance of life in action, but the end result is an educational understanding of utter ignorance. I wonder if all the channels on that box 24 / 7 were about Love, charity, giving, compassion, humanity, humility, understanding, We would not be in a different world……But what do we have………Sex, rape, murder, deceit, endless violence, deception, envy, the list of human degradation goes on and on…………..Where is the change for the good? without it……….we will all go down together and destroy ourselves, this you can count on!

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  498. I also cannot believe the juxtaposition of the BWE with Sotomayor either.
    Is this mere ignorance on the part of the writer, or misogynistic double standards playing out here AGAIN and AGAIN?

    No double standard. The Sotomayorians and the BWE are mirror images of each other. The BWE may be more polite, but their goal is the same, demonise the opposite gender of their own race while using non-whites of their opposite gender as a status symbol, and as a means to escape from the 99 percent to be one of the 1 percent.

    My thoughts on their similarities are here:

    http://satanforce.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/bwe-and-the-wall-of-silence-an-addendum/

    Tell me, you see any of these BWE/Stomayorians types in the ghetto , actually helping the people they claim to care about? NOT!! They’re trying to get book/movie deal and making money from ads on their websites. The closest they come in contact with “those people” is on Skype – far away from the stench of the poor.

    Leave them to their interracial fantasies. They’re irrelevant.

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  499. Satanforce, I have not yet read your blog before, but I shall visit it this month and have a proper read. Note though, that I take no relish in seeing black men denigrated and maligned, so if there is any of that slackness, I won’t be staying.

    First, I have next to no interest or little knowledge of the BWE, I do not blame the BWE for black men’s outcomes.
    In the meanwhile, I wonder why the person of Tommy Sotomayor is being married to the movement of BWE? What interests does that serve, because it strikes me that this false-twinning is a handy device, an instrument that is being used as a form of social and sexual control (of black women).
    I’ve seen forms of it over and over.
    Sometimes it’s subtle and sometimes it is unsubtle.
    The fact is, there are ways to whip women into shape, and some — no, many — believe that black women (and girls) must be kept in place by a variety of methods, whether by persuasive emotive argument, shaming/appeal to pride and obligation and sense of leadership, etc., etc.. These are hardly “bad” things, but I am of the belief that it is more productive for the individual be disciplined to use her mind to form her own decision and make up her own mind.
    Yet, reverse the situation (black women question and/or un-choose black men) and watch the rage unfold.

    On occasion I’ve even sensed the implication of violence, or heard of its fulfillment — down the road. Note I said “on occasion”.

    *
    You mention the ghetto.
    True, though, neither Mr Sotomayor or BWE care about poor people, they don’t want to be poor and probably aren’t poor themselves. But does that makes them mirror-images of each other?

    Sir, I doubt if that is conviction enough.
    If your locus is economics, then I’d say most people I know are self-interested and have no Vision For Humanity; they just avoid the stench of poverty if they can. It’s their worse-case scenario: they prefer sweet betterment of fortune and wealth accretion over social conscience and a Bigger Picture.

    *

    Nor is it a matter of one being merely more polite than the other! That is of course, unless you put Polite at one end and Racialized Gender Violence on the extreme other. That does happens, and who/what is responsible for that?

    I was under the impression that bashing black women was not only so easy as to be banal sport, it is made flesh all too often abusive forms, harassment, battery, rape, death by partner abuse, and so on and on and all that.

    Thus, I don’t believe this is a matter of style (Polite BWE) or degree (Grossly Impolite Tommy Sotomayor).

    *

    Do the BWE orchestrate hatred for the black man that fuels and informs devastating physical consequences and violations AT THE HANDS OF black women on black men? Are black women the enemy, chief life-takers of black men? I am sure you refer to the US context, and I can’t pretend to know that culture intimately. White surpremacy has and does play its part, but how much intellectual vigour does mere finger pointing take? There are other possible narratives, of course, based in rich spiritual and intellectual traditions.

    I remember we discussed these and the need for them at least once before on other threads.

    And finally:

    Leave them to their interracial fantasies. They’re irrelevant.

    But they couldn’t be anything but irrelevant.
    For one, other people’s private lives hold no fascination for me, and being the offspring of highly multi-ethnic Jamaicans, “interracial” as fantasy or “aspiration” is like watching paint dry.

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  500. @ peanut

    I never heard his vids before but I did agree with some of what he was saying especially how they put unattractive black women to the forefront to represent us. Or how they were pushing gabby sidibe as an attractive black woman while not doing the same for very attractive black women like gabrielle union, viola davis, etc. I did turn it off it was too long and he started shouting a little too much lol.

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  501. Seems to me that he came from a black woman. He probably hates himself.

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  502. on Mon Aug 5th 2013 at 00:50:06 Dvrio Mvrchesi

    I think most people are missing the point, Firstly Tommy may say things that are relevant even if I do not agree, however he is a walking contradiction, he says one thing but means something else, for example.
    • He bashes black women 24/7 and how white women are better and yet he has a child and even dates a black women. That’s like Hitler hating Jews but dating a Jewish woman
    • So we all know Tommy loves white women right? He says it all the time right? Well in one video he criticises a black women for going up to a mixed couple and saying how their (as he calls them) ” Half Breed ” child was gorgeous, Tommy seemed genuinely pissed at the fact that the woman walked straight passed his children, Then proceeds to call mixed people ” Half Breeds “.
    • Tommy hates black people moaning about slavery or how blacks are hard done by and regularly hits out out them claiming how its black people dragging black people down, and yet he makes videos about how ” Half Breeds ” get a leg up in life and how society loves ” Half Breeds ” and not blacks. I could go on and on, but my point is that Tommy is a hypocrite plain and simple, white women are the best but don’t date one and dont have babies because they will be half breeds, but don’t go with a black women because they are the worst. Tommy my friend… you are a walking contradiction and a moron

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  503. He is a very angry Black man. He bashes Black Women…especially fat and dark ones because it makes him feel better. I think he hates being Black.

    The insecure non-Black women that follow him, get off on his rants. He always makes an excuse for the Black Man’s plight. He is very hypocritical is steering Black folks in the wrong direction. We, Blacks need to learn to THINK for ourselves. Stop believing everything someone says and THINK logically about the issues. We need to stop making excuses for everything. Just do it!

    He is also an attention whore. Bash someone else, because bashing Black women is getting old lbs.

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  504. He is just as bad as Willie Lynch. Using colorism to separate the Black race. I however like the point he makes about BW needing to embrace their natural looks without weaves, but he needs to give that pep talk to other races of women.

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  505. I think that Kelly Rowland is beautiful.

    What I like most about her is her positive attitude. That makes her glow.

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  506. gatasnegrasbrasileiras,

    I found it funny that this person loved Tommy when he was only bashing black women, but when he discovered Tommy’s bashing of “black people” by which he means black men he had an epiphany that Tommy is a racist.

    There was a hashtag being used on twitter that summed this up perfectly: #blackpowerisforblackmen

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  507. That is disgusting, that guy only figured out tommy was bad news only when he started talking bad about black ppl and not just black women smh. I guess black women are separate from the black community, as they bash black women*crickets* then turn around and say oh no he said something about black ppl . like really I thought black women were black ppl but u weren’t upset about them being bashed only when it was other black ppl, meaning black males and black male youth. This why I don’t like divisive ppl like tommy, and u see who follows him a lot of white ppl follow tommy as well. man the hypocrites really get on my nerves, if someone is attacking black men or black women both should call that out, not only when it affects their gender smh. as for the blackpowerisforblackmen thing well that is exactly how it is, yet some of them stay talking about oh black women left the black power movement to be feminist well gee if a woman feels left out and unappreciated that is what we do, we leave. If u choose to ignore the signs after they tell u they need u to help and do xyz they will leave, what u won’t do somebody else will.

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  508. There needs to be an examination of the matriarchal nature of Black American culture. Note the following articles by Black women:
    http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2012/09/dear-black-men-its-time-for-you-to-step-up/
    http://rollingout.com/culture/black-men-must-step-up-and-volunteer-to-save-young-black-boys/
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/30/AR2010013002120.html
    What we read here, like so many other articles like them, is Black women sounding exactly like White male social conservatives lecturing men to man up and make themselves more useful. And just like White SoCons, the chastising is delivered with complete indifference to the struggles already hanging on the necks of Black men like anchors.
    Slim Jackson even seems to surrender to the fact that Black men just don’t know what to do with themselves without say-so from a Black Woman.
    http://www.singleblackmale.org/2012/04/25/do-men-ever-step-up-without-a-womans-words-or-actions/
    I agree with nearly every word of Dr. Johnson’s article, and appreciate that he calls Black women to task on their attitudes toward Black men. But this seems to be attributed more to generational influence than to a core problem in the Black community.
    I think that is a mistake.
    Feminism, an ideology created by White middle class females with more time and money than responsibilities, was very attractive to Black women because feminism added to the already lopsided influence and control over men in their community that they already had.
    To me, that means Black men must step up in the same way White men need to. They need to take control of their balls from feminine influence and begin to act in their own interest. The result of that will give their sons (and daughters) more of what they actually need, with no demeaning lecture from indignant and demanding Black women.

    Paul Elam
    http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/fathers/black-mans-burden-myth-of-the-deadbeat/

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  509. There needs to be an examination of the matriarchal nature of Black American culture. Note the following articles by Black women:

    No culture that EXISTS in the Western world can be defined as matriarchal. Every institution (educational, political, religious, legal systems) that is used and supported by Black people are ALL based on the values of men.

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  510. Besides that,

    why do some people focus on an entire group that they claim “emasculates” or “defeminizes” them?

    Simple logic what be for them to just move on and choose an “out-group” that recognizes ALL of their masculine and feminine attributes.

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  511. is it a ‘celebrity roast’ style that should be considered within boundaries particularly if sometimes in some context accurate or true? or stereotype he has been roasting us snowpeople lately too but only the ratchet ones

    idk this guy has a crappy producer supposedly he’s takin calls tonight if he is being unfair to black women and the media in general

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  512. Why do these spammers love to take over the whole page with long dialogues,when you can cut it down to 1 paragraph?

    The only reason why Tommy doesn’t say anything about black men is because he knows if they see him on road,they will kick arse.
    I agree with hair hat weaves,it looks stoopid,but don’t a lot of white women do stoopid things like risking cancer to get tan skin or put alien objects in the body to get a full look?
    Black men are not the best when it comes to being a stable,secure model for their children,nor are they the best men as partners when they have so many women,with that said..can you blame the black women that do go white..especially if they treat them better.

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  513. @Maxine

    Tommy does talk about black men.

    @everyone else

    LMAO. If this guy is such a joke, why has this blog went on this long. People that are bogus don’t get this much attention. Tommy a real dude and is helping the black community. At some point you have ask are you part of the problem or part of the solution

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  514. @MyDaddySon

    A few posts here and there are not signs this post is still going on.

    Secondly if he is making posts about black men then by all means post them. Youtube videos are welcome.

    Thirdly articles among other things to show he is helping the black community can prove your points as well.

    You are just another part of the problem with the delusion that you are the solution.

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  515. @Sharina

    Dude whats up 🙂 !! How did I know you were going to reply? Ask me if I care what you think. I do like that last line though because it shows your hatred for black men that stand up, which is exactly why what Tommy says is valid and needed. I agree, I’m part of the problem for going back and forth with the problem, YOU. I’m delusional but you reply everytime, So lets hear it, whats next?

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  516. @ MyDaddySon

    For someone who does not care…you wrote a paragraph just for little old me. but true to your nature…empty words no proof and full of that same old delusion. 🙂

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  517. Oh and too those listening. I apparently have some hate for black men simply because I am not worshiping Tommy whatshisname. ROFL

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  518. @ MyDaddySon

    “I’m delusional but you reply everytime, So lets hear it, whats next?”—The reason I make the choice to respond or go back in forth with you is because there is nothing like comic relief to soothe the soul. You make it too easy so why not.

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  519. Posted on Kola Boof ‘s page by a black woman, if a black man said the same they would be hell to pay.

    JaeJae UppityN’HiFalutin Turner

    I know I will be making biracial babies and I know I will not be reproducing blackness. We can not under any circumstances pretend that this is NOT what we are doing. However, I have no tribe and no male collective that is loyal to me therefore, I will breed out and sleep well. I adore all babies and black ones are my favs, but I’ll damned if I birth them into dysfunction. They don’t deserve. It
    16 October at 05:07 this comment received 15 likes

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  520. @ Holmes

    There are black men who have been saying this and worse mind you. That is why you have some black women (who have heard it far too much) who have decided that such choices are the best.

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  521. @Sharina,

    Dang, not only did you dodge Holmes’s valid point, you offered an excuse for the noxious poster he quoted. Nice tit for tat spin job.

    In any event, the TS types and the BWE folks are mostly idiots but, given the times we live in, can spend an inordinate amount of time nursing and rationalizing their mostly petty grievances.

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  522. @ Ks

    Don’t know why you are sniffing around my azz, but it was not a matter of dodging his point it was a matter of no longer caring what either party does or don’t do because at the end of the day they are going to do what they want. Are they or are they not?

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  523. ? instead of .

    Anything else or other post you want to follow me around to just to comment on?

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  524. Oh and one more thing. Holmes nicely quoted this:

    ” if a black man said the same they would be hell to pay.”—-Which is why I stated that they have and worse. So has there been hell to pay for those that said it?

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  525. @Sharina,

    Oh boo hoo. Nobody is following you. You were the last posts on the threads before I replied and I decided to do so. Big whoop. Overall, I’m hardly here as much as you are.

    Your reply to Holmes was the schoolyard…”But, what about you/them!?” You just pointed the finger back in the other direction and then made an excuse. Has there been hell, to pay for the Black men who’ve made similar denigrating remarks about Black women? Since we’re on him, I’m pretty sure TS has been rightfully raked over the coals though he doesn’t appear to care.

    We could probably go back and forth all day pulling links and, while I know in the internet era, there is a dubious correlation that says links=facts and more links=more facts, that would be pointless.

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  526. @ ks

    “Overall, I’m hardly here as much as you are.”—Really? and how much am I supposedly here? Since you know what I do and how much I tend to do it?

    ” You just pointed the finger back in the other direction and then made an excuse.”—Nope just replied in response to his obvious belief that some how hell will fall upon us if the statement was vise versa, but I get it. You are a mind reader who knows so much about what people mean in their statements.

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  527. Almost forgot….

    “Since we’re on him, I’m pretty sure TS has been rightfully raked over the coals though he doesn’t appear to care.”—While he is a nice example I was referring to the average black men that do it thank you.

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  528. @ Sharina,

    Yes really. I’m haven’t been here as much as you have. That’s what I said. You have many more posts than I do but I’m not going to count them. In general, I don’t know how much you are here and I don’t know what you do nor does it matter as it’s irrelevant to my points.

    Also, I don’t need to mind read plain English. Your intent and meaning here and in the other thread (interracial relationships) was clear which is why you’re trying to parse me to death as well as trying to drown me in ‘tude and lastworditis. But, that’s not going to work as it is what it is.

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  529. @ ks

    ” nor does it matter as it’s irrelevant to my points.”—If it was indeed that irrelevant then you would not have brought it up in the first place.

    “Your intent and meaning here and in the other thread (interracial relationships) was clear which is why you’re trying to parse me to death as well as trying to drown me in ‘tude and lastworditis. But, that’s not going to work as it is what it is.”—-Yet how is it you know one’s intent over the internet? Again you are making an interpretation in both thread on what you think I mean and are running with it.

    As for my ‘tude and lastworditis….I do the same with white racist trolls and in most cases they are wrong too. So not really a sure fire way of telling what my intent or meaning was I can tell you that for sure. 🙂

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  530. You responded to me. I did not go after you for anything, but if that is what you believe my intent or meaning is then by all means believe it, but please don’t try to tell me what I intended to do or mean because at that point you are mind reading.

    At this point I am just tired of having to go through explain and defend my stance on anything when people either have not taken the time to read what i said or have interpreted it to mean what they want it to. Sorry but this is getting old and unless you have a valid reasoning for you continued nitpicking. I propose you just not respond to me on this or any other thread as I will do the same to you.

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  531. Now you’re just playing games. You got caught slipping and can’t get over it so you’re going on and on and on and on…. No reason to be so put out by it as happens to us all on occasion. But if it makes you feel better deflect away as much as you want. : )

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  532. @ KS

    If you say so. Because I am only responding to you. So I am not going on and on alone. But do project and deflect yourself as you look just as good doing it. 🙂

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  533. @Sharina,

    Goodness, just take your loss like a grown woman and stop performing and showing out for the crowd. You’ve tried all the basic internet “debate” tricks and failed so move on. Better luck next time. : )

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  534. @ks

    Yet here you are commenting to me again…so who is putting on a show? I take projection for 100. LOL. 🙂

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  535. I was just thinking about this guy recently,some of the thoughts that I had was how open and non anonymous he is, you know what he looks like ,where he is,as well as his views.

    In regards to his views,I think he’s victimizes and has succumbed to the relentless pressure the white/albinic population places especially on black people globally and african americans specifically.

    In regards to his distorted views on black woman, to me its quite understandable the conflicts that occur between african american males and females ,and if you don’t think this is intended ,promoted and rewarded by the the general white/albinic population then they have succeeded in another important component of their global hegemony – deception.

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  536. @Mbeti

    Now that is surely food for thought.

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  537. There is some truth in what Sotomayor spews. He would bolster his credibility if he would say “SOME” instead of “ALL” when referring to Black women.

    If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn, keep it moving.

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  538. But Rufusa,
    Most women, Black or White, don’t appreciate any women being degraded. If the shoe doesn’t fit me, I’m still hurt when women are degraded.

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  539. @ Rufusa

    I get what you are saying and I agree with you to an extent. He could still say some and still not bring up his credibility because of the way he talks down to women. He degrades them.

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  540. This woman had children with a white man just for lightskin kids. SMDH
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rE_NPjWBCs)

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  541. @Holmes

    The proper word for that type of female is mentally unstable.

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  542. He is not degrading Black women, he’s telling a truth about many Black women and this isn’t the 1st time that so many Black women have shown that they can’t handle the truth about themselves. Ever wonder why most of his supporters are Black women? Do your own research and stop letting idiots do the thinking for you.

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  543. @Brother

    And do tell us how many of these black women van be truly depicted by the small amount of bad ones he chooses to display as the majority? He has yet to display a black woman such as myself yet has been all to quick to tell masses what a black woman is suppose to be like.

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  544. I’m ecstatic to find this Blog! I can’t believe This “man” is everywhere I go on the internet with his rhetoric and zombie nation of followers who are out for blood. smh. This is such a wonderful blog and I was enjoying myself. Seeing his name in the lounge area made my stomach lurch though. He is poison. After he did a video about this poor latest girl of Color – Renisha McBride, it just made me lose it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Opodpkvp4)

    Also, I joined this facebook group called 100000 Black Men Against Tommy Sotomayor and for a Progressive Black Community. They can use all the help anyone has in waking people up to Tommy’s true intentions for the Black Community. If you guys want to really help get his rhetoric removed, this seems to be the group that has been pissing him off and shined a flashlight on him, which is why he stopped screaming so much “extra” and yelling. I never thought I would detest a human in my life, and I don’t want to, but OMG!
    https://www.facebook.com/TommySotomayor

    I’m sure any site doing the same thing, can use all the help! One Luv, Peace & Strength always, Family. <333

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  545. Please be weary of some commentors on this board that are caucasian, posing as black men and women in support of Tommy. They have found many of his supporters to be fake accounts owned by racist website StormFront and they have several of Tommy’s videos on their racist websites. Check out the video where this guy who supports Tommy said it’s time for 100% of the black population need to leave America.

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  546. this guy mama was a dead beat so he hates all black women for what she did. oh well life ain’t fair. who gives a shit. boooo whoo. he sounds ignorant as hell with his uncle tom slave mind. He wants to be accepted so bad by whites. he thinks he is bashing black women in his small mind. what is he expecting to happen, all black women are going to commit suicide to satisfy his cult. black women been through all kind of shit and still standing. this is a good reason to fear us . to tommy and all the black women haters BLACK GIRLS\BLACK WOMEN ROCKS.

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  547. THIS GUY TELLS STRAIGHT LIES HE HAVE WHITE RACIST PEOPLE LISTEN TO HIM ESPECIALLY WHITE RACIST COPS TOMMY KNOWS THAT THE REAL REASON BLACK WOMEN ARE BITTER IT IS BECAUSE OF MOST OF US BLACKMEN LOOK BACK IN THE 1940s 50s BLACK WOMEN WAS WHOLESOME GIRLS NOT TRYING TO BE LOSE BUT WHAT DID THEY BLACK HUSBAND DO WENT OUT AND CHEATED ON THE BLACK WOMEN MADE OTHER FAMILIES BY LIEING SAYING HE WASNT MARRIED LETS TELL THE DAME TRUTH NOW SOME BLACK WOMEN ARE NO GOOD BUT THATS IN EVERY RACE OF WOMEN PLEASE DONT FOLLOW THIS DUDE HE IS A HHYPOCRITE AND A LIER COONING FOR THE WHITE MAN SO HE CAN GET PAID HE BEGS CELEBRITIES TO COME ON HIS SHOW GUESS WHAT THEY DONT LOL THEY KNOW OUR BLACK WOMEN HAVE A BLACKMAN BACK ANYDAY AND ANY NIGHT

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  548. I honestly don’t know which is worse, the fact that this guy is posting videos concerning his disdain for black women, or the fact there are black folks who are listening to him.

    This is one sick man for real. I dunno what else to add, but he’s really a total clown.

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  549. Say what you will about Tommy Sotomayor, at least he’s gaining clout and influence! He’s putting his money where his mouth is and the Afram community are starting to shape up because of his influence. He doesn’t praise white men or calls every black women (degenerate or not) a “queen” or some such nonsense. He’s only saying what any right thinking black person is observing. It’s just that simps, manginas and BWE acolytes can’t stand any black man challenging the behaviour of our black “queens”!
    Look at how he managed to raise money for his film “A Fatherless America” with mostly black male money!

    Tell me simps, manginas, BWE acolytes and “strong black queens”:
    What clout do you have in America let alone Black America?
    What have you done to help Black America? Started businesses? brought anything black owned?

    The likes of Tommy S, Tariq N, BlackAuth0rity etc know one thing: Power respects power.
    If anything we need more Tommy Sotomayor’s and luckily there’s a growing amount of black men that are discarding the simping and praising the “strong black queen” bs!

    Truth P. said:
    “@Vindicator may the violence and destruction that you speak and wish on me and other black women visit you.Unlike you I don’t do threats but I curse often.”

    Vin says:
    I thought I heard something……………………………………. It was nothing more than the ramblings of a deluded “strong black queen”!

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  550. @vindicator this is somewhat disingenuous in that when tommy was first coming up for real about july or something this year, he was talkin about well if you want a black girlfriend you better hope she has some white friends and stuff, and he has modified that approach a little bit, cut down on the cursing, but ….

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  551. @vindicator

    “the Afram community are starting to shape up because of his influence.”—Then by all means provide this proof that it is Tommy’s good grace that has lead to some type of improvement in the black community. Not just one section, but country wide.

    “What have you done to help Black America? Started businesses? brought anything black owned?”–

    1. Be in influence in doing the right. Teach and present to young black females and non white females the importance of education and making better wiser decisions on life. Check

    2. No, but my uncles have there own business in the area that they started. I support it by getting the word out and using their service. I also do the same with every single black business I visit.

    3. I buy black owned quite regularly. I can provide the facebook page I use to connect me to black businesses not in my area.

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  552. I would also like to add that there is no black community without black females, so him raising money for his film “with mostly black male money!” is not really an accomplishment in helping the black community but rather the black male community.

    Any real right thinking black person who is observing something is also observing issues with the community in general…..not just black women or attempts to throw the blame at just black women.

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  553. @v8driver

    I don’t bother with the likes of Tommy S. period. He engages in divide and conquer to me and that is the problem with the black community now. So much divide perpetuated by individuals in our own group.

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  554. rofl, its funny it really is that some ppl can praise tommy yet these same ppl will attack don lemon. at least don lemon attacks the black community and not just one group of the black community so there is no divide and conquer. u let don lemon or some other person say the black community is xyz and there is an uproar from these same males that co sign tommy’s vids about black women being xyz. smh oh the hypocrisy.

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  555. Sharina said:
    1. Be in influence in doing the right. Teach and present to young black females and non white females the importance of education and making better wiser decisions on life. Check

    Vin says:
    Then black women need to do a better job!

    Sharina said:
    2. No, but my uncles have there own business in the area that they started. I support it by getting the word out and using their service. I also do the same with every single black business I visit.

    Vin says:
    I happy to hear that!

    Sharina said:
    3. I buy black owned quite regularly. I can provide the facebook page I use to connect me to black businesses not in my area.

    Vin says:
    I happy to hear that!

    Sharina said:
    I would also like to add that there is no black community without black females, so him raising money for his film “with mostly black male money!” is not really an accomplishment in helping the black community but rather the black male community.

    Vin says:
    Which in turn helps the black community because black men are part of it too!

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  556. mstoogood4yall said:
    “rofl, its funny it really is that some ppl can praise tommy yet these same ppl will attack don lemon. at least don lemon attacks the black community and not just one group of the black community so there is no divide and conquer. u let don lemon or some other person say the black community is xyz and there is an uproar from these same males that co sign tommy’s vids about black women being xyz. smh oh the hypocrisy.”

    Vin says:
    I actually kinda agree with the things that Don Lemon said!

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  557. @vindicator

    “Then black women need to do a better job!”—Black men and women need to do a better job. Placing all the blame on black women will not subside the fact that black men still need to step up their game.

    “Which in turn helps the black community because black men are part of it too!”—I am fully aware of that, but it does not change the fact that catering to black men is not going to help black women. It needs to be a community effort and support in order to truly be of any help to the black community.

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  558. Okay so I finally checked out this guy’s youtube ramblings in depth and a few things come to mind:

    1. He’s working an obvious hustle by rabble rousing to get views.

    2. After viewing a few of his vids it becomes clear that his arguments are not consistent or event coherent outside of a few main obnoxious themes. How many times can a guy say “hair hats!!!” ?

    3. Whatever minor points he may have that he could expound upon are totally buried because the guy is an off putting insufferable a$$.

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  559. I am a fan of Tommy Sotomayor and think most of you don’t really understand the underlying message he has. He mostly reports on events on the news so he’s not making up what he’s reporting. It’s tough love black folks. The black culture in this country is dysfunctional, talk all about the historical roots of the end result but we are now in a position where we need to confront the bad behavior and call it for what it is. I support the man for not conforming to the same black focus that has failed for generations, namely in attempting to justify this dysfunctional, embarrassing behavior.

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  560. @SoulClap

    There is no underlying message and if there were then I wonder why known of his fans can actually explain it. No one said he was making up his reports but he was using those reports to try to point out what the majority of black women do (not the imaginary focus on black problems that many of his fans falsely claim). Bad behavior will never be confronted if all his does is talk about black women.

    Sad part is that you support a man that utilized the same bad behavior you talk about him trying to fix. Calling women b’s and all type of derogatory names. I swear no respect. Though people worship hypocrites so no skin off my back.

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  561. If he doesn’t stop, I predict Tommy Sotomayor will be assaulted and/or murdered by a black male angry about what he says about black females; or a black male simping for black females. Actually, there is probably no difference between the two.

    Black males raised without fathers in single femaled headed homes often act out of emotion and impulse, just like their mothers.

    Tommy has a lot of nerve taking about it.

    But then again, its not surprising since he was raised by a single black female.

    Thats not irony.

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  562. @ thwack

    I sincerely doubt that. If he’s assaulted by a black male, it will probably be something of a very personal and sensitive nature like Tommy said something or did something to that black male that he didn’t like.

    It won’t be because some black male is championing the dignity of black females, believe that.

    And I’ll add that the missing black fathers (since I assume these single black mothers did not conceive via any immaculate conception method)

    are RULED by emotion and impulse — and the sad crime and violent ridden conditions of our black communities are a testimony to this.

    Because there is NO ONE more emotional or impulsive than a person who would murder another human being because someone stepped on his brand new sneakers.

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  563. Now that I think about it, Tommy is not the only one of his kind. Although he mainly slams black females, there are several other black males that are “tough on blacks” to the point they get accused of hating black people. And there have been others in the past.

    In fact, I’ll go as far as to call it and American archetype. This is probably where the character of “Uncle Ruckus” comes from. My dad was “conservative” and it sometimes expressed itself as what some people would call a “tough on blacks” attitude, but since he held himself to that standard, he was immune to criticism.

    The only problem with it (and this is something I learned from Neely Fuller) is he only used half the “equation”. My dad would give you the beat down, tell you want you did wrong; but leave out the suggestion correction part.

    I guess I was supposed to get that through osmosis?

    So the question I have is, What is the black female equivalent of “Uncle Ruckus?”

    Does it exist?

    or is it only a black male archteype?

    Cause I really can’t think of any?

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  564. @ thwack

    Thinking is not your strong point. Neither is solid research. Problem solved.

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  565. Sharina

    @ thwack

    Thinking is not your strong point. Neither is solid research. Problem solved.
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    And this is an example of why black people are not as smart as white people.

    We make STATEMENTS instead of asking QUESTIONS.

    Ya’ll notice how George Ryder asks so many questions?

    He’s NOT trying to prove how smart he is, he’s trying to get smarter and you do that by ASKING QUESTIONS not by making statements.

    I think I raised a valid question?

    There is no shame in admitting you do not know the answer; why don’t you try to GET the answer by asking another question?

    Or do you NOT want black people to become smarter?

    (BTW– don’t be embarressed;white people already know this)

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  566. @ Thwack
    That is where you are wrong, but I take it you can only add it to the long list of things you have been wrong about. Asking questions only gets you an answer, but it does not mean the answer is based on some truth or gathered knowledge. You are not becoming smarter by asking questions and waiting on someone to throw you a handout of knowledge. You are becoming lazy and waiting on someone to give you the answer. These cases usually go one or two ways. The individual rejects the information because it is not what they want to believe or gobble it up like a naïve fool. Either way they did not learn anything or care to. People who are smart usually seek out these things on their own and when stuck ask questions for guidance before diving into a bed of discovery and critical thinking. They don’t ask questions when their mind is already made up. That is basically what you do.

    “I think I raised a valid question?”—And you got an answer even though it was not the one you wanted. See how this works?

    But please don’t be embarrassed that you just made yet another fool of yourself in attempt to make a smart aleck remark that did not bold well in your favor. I will asked question to people that actually know what they are talking about…not people who are lost in the Bermuda triangle of mental issues.

    Good Day.

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  567. Oh and thwack I have the answer to your meager questions, but I place a limit on how much I am going to participate in providing knowledge or education to someone (hearsay does seem like pitiful topic when bigger questions arise). People never grow if you are just giving them the answers because they are too lazy to do the research and find it themselves.

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  568. One thing Tommy Sotomayor should be credited with is the education he is providing all those black people who did NOT grow up in dysfunctional, fatherless, single parent households.

    Patrice O’neal is another black male who performed this same service. I am thankful to both of them for being strong enough to be honest about their difficult childhood experiences, and share them with ignorant people like me who did not experience them.

    It takes courage to put yourself out there like that and tell the truth regarding how and where you recieved your distorted thinking and non constructive behaviors.

    It makes many black males reflect on their own childhoods and how/where they got their values; I know because Im one of em.

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  569. Also, I suspect some of Tommy Sotomayor’s anger towards black females and “tough approach” to black people in general is due to his disappointment that he needed/needs white peoples help try to do anything of constructive value for black people.

    Many times when a black person ASKS another black person for help, EVEN if its only in terms of advice/suggestions, we won’t get any; and we may even get attacked/abused.

    Then out of desperation, we go to a white person, and not only do we get constructive information/suggestions… we may get financing too. Its gotten to the point where when I have an idea or a question, I often just skip over a lot of black people and go straight to an old white man.

    Why?

    Because they have done and seen so much they are usually the most confident people and therefore don’t waste time getting in “p*ssing contests, challenging you for no reason…”

    Matter of fact, being white men, they are usually so busy with projects of their own they don’t have time for nonsense even if they wanted to engage in it..

    Tommy has described it as a Youtube phenomenon and I have seen it. The white tubers who share a common interest are able to work together; get each other to guest post, guest host, interview each other, pump each others websights, articles, defend each other when they come under attack…

    And thats just the stuff they allow us to see.

    Its a big advantage. and there may be no substitute for it?

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  570. My stepdad found Tommy’s video saying, “the Trayvons are the ones we need to be afraid of, not the Zimmermans of the world” and calling his mother a “hair hatted hooligan” right after the Zimmerman verdict came through, very upsetting.

    What Sotomayor does is an age old ploy, which is as old as American media itself, exploiting the poor and holding it up as a projection of an entire race of people. The only difference is, Tommy isn’t White.

    People shouldn’t get upset about it, unfortunately there’s a lot of psychological ruin among POC due to White supremacy. Most of his followers are Black women, who I suspect follow him around to see what awful thing he’ll say next. His audience is made up of a very small number of men. And even if many men feel the hatred and distain he does for Black women, it’s one of those things where you’re better off knowing. Most Black girls/women have encountered this hatred before, but no one believed it, it seemed intangible before it broke out all over the internet for everyone to see, but now people do.

    The one who is bursting with hatred is the one who will suffer in the long run. I say to the sistas, don’t let it affect you, just live your life. We’re are a race of women full of resilience, we’ve usually come up against this kind of thing a thousand times before we’ve even reached womanhood.

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  571. I’ve heard white people say that blacks stick together but they just don’t know. The black people I know don’t even act like they like each other. They talk derogatory about each other. Some black men I know will try to use a white woman just to make a black woman feel bad. I don’t know why they do that. I don’t let them use me like that. Some white women like it because it makes them feel good to be put on the pedestal, no matter why. I have sympathy for black women.

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  572. Ebonymonroe

    My stepdad found Tommy’s video saying, “the Trayvons are the ones we need to be afraid of, not the Zimmermans of the world”
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    Did your dad agree? or disagree?

    Ebonymonroe
    And even if many men feel the hatred and distain he does for Black women, it’s one of those things where you’re better off knowing.
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    Better off for WHOM not knowing?

    Black males?

    or

    Black females?

    Can you provide a list of things black people should not know about? Or should I visit the a prison and ask all the black male inmates?

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  573. Yeah, there’s a video of Tommy saying he does it because it’s easy because Black people are stupid. Sadly some Black men either looking for a father figure, or somewhere to place their frustrations in dealing with life, have gravitated to him and just eat it up, like Nazi’s looking for an identity and an answer to their problems. I think it just goes to show how much brokeness is out there. I’ve never come across a whole movement of White men using a platform to degrade and tear apart their own women before. It’s very sad. Because these men are not given permission, or are too frightened to take on the real oppressions against them, they look to the easiest target, the only people who are below them on the totem pole, their own women. But it’s self destruction, suicide, in a sense, I think that’s the true identification of what the term “self hatred” means. When you turn like a mad man, and begin tearing to pieces the ones you are supposed to protect, the only ones who march, campaign and speak out for you when it all hits the fan, it’s like a display of cannibalism. But this is the damage on full display. Instead of getting our feelings hurt, we should pity these individuals, it’s sad and embarrassing . . .. for them.

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  574. No, he did not agree, and he was hurt that another Black man would use the death of a Black boy, as an opportunity to attack. Read it properly, I said you’re better off knowing, not not knowing.

    Look, when you first came on, you asked questions that myself and a number of other commenters took the time to answer for you. We posted factual data, assuming you were interested, from your questions. But you began insulting for some strange reason. Sharina is right, you do not ask to know, but tob accuse and attack after skipping over information. When you find that no one here will answer you anymore, it’s not because they don’t have great insights and information to engage with, but because of your ever increasing unpopularity resulting from your horrible behaviour on this blog, within a short space of time. I’m sorry, but I am uninterested in continuing to engage with.

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  575. Ebonymonroe

    No, he did not agree, and he was hurt that another Black man would use the death of a Black boy, as an opportunity to attack. Read it properly, I said you’re better off knowing, not not knowing.
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    oops, sorry, (I would say “My _ _ _” but it might get deleted for mock ebonics)

    I misread your statement. Please strike my retort and accept my apology.

    Thank you.

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  576. @Jayis

    I admit at first I did not see this and I was told by several different women that this was the case. Buy my eyes are wide open now.

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  577. correction but*

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  578. @ Ebony

    I was given a link to Tommy S. a few weeks ago by a female friend who thought I would enjoy it or get something out of it. I checked it out and read the comment section. I was so disgusted that I had to close the whole thing. One of his commenters was calling for the rape and murder of black women. He was describing how he would do it and when a black female responded he told her to shut up because he would rape and strangle her. I was hoping for the comments to be deleted or a response from TS himself about that level of violence on his page, but nope. The comments were allowed to ride and no response. His followers act like animals and when approached with contradictory information they say “the truth hurts.” Pure childishness.

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  579. @Sharina

    Exactly. People don’t seem to be aware of how bad it is. I’ve seen the same kind of comments under a Tariq Nasheed video.

    Most of the videos on Black women on youtube are hate videos; it’s all across the web on multiple blogs and websites.
    If this were about White women, they would have shut it down a long time ago. Tommy made a video about the gay community a while back, and the media picked up on it and condemned it, but when it’s just Black women, it’s open season.

    A young Black woman was k!lled by one of seargent Willie Pete’s followers a little while back. I wouldn’t be surprised if his followers are the ones in our communities committing domestic violence, and doing the rap!ng. (You hear it from the youtubers, the Nathan Mccalls, Hip hop. There’s an element in our community that really seems made to destroy Black women.) Or, these are the guys who just can’t fit in with Black people, so they grow to hate them, and find better bonds with White people. The average Black man is not gonna shake hands with a Black man who says 99% of Black men and women are no good.

    It’s sad because I remember coming across an online conversation between a few Black women not too long ago, and seeing them say they were frightened to have children, because they feared if they had sons, no matter what they did, or how hard they tried, they would grow up to hate them and hurt them. I’ve seen this hatred on every website I’ve frequented over the last two years, and it has certainly had an impact for a lot of Black women. If I lived in the States, I would not be leaving my house un@rmed. And that’s honestly just how it has left me feeling about it. Better to be safe than sorry.

    @thwack

    Fair enough.

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  580. @ Ebonymonroe

    I was at a vegan restaurant today operated by a family of Black Israelites and the father was irate over the way Arab merchants regularly disrespect the young black females who shop there and he asked a black male customer what kind of men turn a blind eye to the disrespect of their women and girl children, especially by men outside their group?

    I’d ask this question:

    What kind of male publicly and venomously disrespects the same women who represents his mother, his sisters, and his daughters instead of focusing on fixing what is wrong with himself?

    A male who does NOT understand what real manhood is, who has probably never been taught how to be a man, and who sadly, will never BE a man.

    The Tommy Sotomayers of the world are the psychological casualties in the war against black manhood – and unfortunately, our enemies are WINNING. Big time.

    Since the Tommys Sotomayors learned their definition of manhood from the racist white male, they feel a real man must victimize and demean anyone they see as weaker than themselves

    Unfortunately, the ONLY people the Tommy Sotomayors can attack without facing any consequences are BLACK FEMALES.

    They are too terrified (cowardly) to attack their real tormentors (the white man and white woman) and this EVIDENCE of their cowardice drives them even deeper into denial.

    Where their fierce and fearless criticism of racist man and racist woman? You won’t see them do that – it’s nothing but more weak, mpotent NOISE.

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  581. Correction

    Where is their fierce and fearless criticism of racist man and racist woman? You won’t see them do that on the internet or in public. They are nothing more than weak, impotent NOISE.

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  582. @Trojan Pam & Ebony Monroe: I have asked this question repeatedly, Does Sotomayor and these other black woman hating cretins feel this way about the women who gave birth to their sorry carcasses? I am sure they have mothers, and aunties and sisters and grandmothers and female cousins. This is disgusting on so many levels.

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  583. I agree @Pam.

    I don’t believe all Black men are this way, don’t get me wrong. But I do believe this particular demographic has grown enough so that it’s now another threat to Black women. There is more than just the White voice coming for the life of someone like me simply because of my race and gender, in 2014. And sadly, that’s just the way it is, now.

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  584. @Mary

    They call it “the vertical exclusion,” where the females above you, (mother, grandmother, etc), and the females below you, (daughter, grandaughter, etc) are exempt. But these hate preachers also excuse the exact same bad behaviours of non Black women. I’ve seen it time and time again. Tommy will refer to Gabrielle union as a @@@@ and accuse her of promiscuity for having been married in the past, but reason that Kim Kardashian is a good woman who’s just made some mistakes. I do not see the difference between the cats and White supremacists, they’re all my enemies. 100

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  585. @Ebonymonroe

    If this were about White women, they would have shut it down a long time ago. Tommy made a video about the gay community a while back, and the media picked up on it and condemned it, but when it’s just Black women, it’s open seaso.

    I know you can see the BIG difference. Not a racial one either. The BIG difference is that if it were about white women or gay people, there wouldn’t be any of them following him, praising him, or defending him. You might not know it but a lot of black women defend men like this Tommy. Even if a white woman loved him, she would never say anything to defend him. She would know that other white women would drown her out, so she would stay quiet. The same thing with gay people. Why do those black women defend these black guys who don’t like them?

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  586. on Wed Feb 12th 2014 at 00:38:58 bygodsloveandgrace

    Why are we giving TS more power than he actually has? I’ve seen some of his videos and do not appreciate his disparaging views on Black women. However he does not influence me from enjoying my life. He should not be so influential in general. What is it about this guy that has some so intrigued?

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  587. @Ebonymonroe: Thanks for trying to help me understand this insanity. I am older than you, I remember a time when black men loved the black woman. This must be a generational thing with this black woman hate. I think I read something in the scriptures that said something about in the last days what’s right is wrong and what wrong is right. I am paraphrasing mind you. But this is some straight up madness.

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  588. @bygodsloveandgrace: I never heard of any of this stuff until I was gifted with a laptop and discovered the internet. I wish I never heard of this. But I agree with what you said, TS does not deserve our attention.

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  589. @TrojanPam

    Since the Tommys Sotomayors learned their definition of manhood from the racist white male, they feel a real man must victimize and demean anyone they see as weaker than themselves

    You can get mad at me for saying this, but this is what I mean when I say black women defend this kind of black man who all of you say hates and hurts black women. You blame his behavior on white men. No, he’s responsible for his own behavior. You don’t think he’s responsible for his behavior and he knows you think this way. A lot of black guys know that black women will find a way to excuse them. I hear them and see them play with black women like that. I don’t think that black women really know black men that well. No sane white woman would excuse a white man for doing what this Tommy does, even if he just came out of a concentration camp. Men like him are not worth it.

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  590. @Ebony: “Vertical exclusion” so the madness has a name. Thanks for the education.

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  591. Why do you guys care about this ugly, self hating man? He hates Black women because he hates himself and what he sees in the mirror. Let his bash Black women and put non Black women on the pedestal because he will end up like OJ Simpson, ass in jail and noboby by his side.

    And that would be his price for selling out

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  592. on Wed Feb 12th 2014 at 00:59:00 bygodsloveandgrace

    Thanks Mary. I just don’t think he’s worthy of our time and attention. But for those who like him, it is what it is!

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  593. @Adeen: You’re right he isn’t worth mentioning.

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  594. Trojan Pam wrote:

    “Unfortunately, the ONLY people the Tommy Sotomayors can attack without facing any consequences are BLACK FEMALES.

    “They are too terrified (cowardly) to attack their real tormentors (the white man and white woman) and this EVIDENCE of their cowardice drives them even deeper into denial.”

    – – –

    Dead on.

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  595. I don’t give him my attention, or my time. Every time someone watches one of his videos he gets paid, because youtube actually partners with this man. So there is no way I would even think about it.
    This post sparked up again and I came and gave my two cents, as I never have, end of.

    People seem to think it’s just Tommy, but it’s not. There are guys on this post cosigning his doctrine, and there are tons of Tommy’s on youtube and all across the web, but everyone likes to act like it isn’t a growing problem. It certainly doesn’t bother me, but I’m not deaf and/or blind.

    I agree, I will not blame Tommy’s or any of these other Black woman muderers on the White man. They have free will and they choose to use it this way. Even many of these entertainers in our community, who get to the top, use their power to degrade and verbally abuse Black women, so the whole idea that everything would be okay if institutional White supremacy was done away with, is null and void in my opinion. That’s why you had hashtags like blackpowerisforblackmen come about, Black women are getting fed up. Even on twitter, it’s everyday: there was hashtag stopblackgirls last year with some of the most degrading images and messages of Black women being posted. Even during BET’s one night a year “Black girls rock” show, to honour Black girls and women, there were complaints about how it was racist because White girls rock. Guess who participated? That’s right, Black men and White women. It’s not the White man forcing these cats to behave like this. I refuse to bypass them and not hold them accountable for their own actions. They’re not puppets. I am not stupid.

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  596. Then if he gets paid to spread his B.S. propaganda, he is disgusting, selling his black sisters out to be paid. It’s worse than I thought.

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