Fragile White Ego Syndrome is a personality disorder common in North America. Patients base part of their self-worth on pride in being white – but it is a false pride that is easily threatened and therefore fragile. It is a desperate front, a house of cards, that must be defended at all costs.
To maintain this fragile white ego patients will:
- Play up white accomplishments (inventions, “civilization”, IQ scores, freeing the slaves, etc)
- Play down, excuse or deny white evils (slavery, genocide, colonialism, racism, etc)
They do the opposite when it comes to people of colour:
- Play up the faults of people of colour, both real and imagined (poverty, crime, violence, out-of-wedlock births, pathologies)
- Play down the successes of people of colour (overlook everything they invented or, where possible, claim them as honorary whites)
This causes a reality distortion field which makes whites seem better than they are and people of colour seem worse than they are. In America this distortion field is known as “the mainstream culture”.
In regard to people of colour patients will:
- Lack empathy and seem incapable of putting themselves in their shoes.
- Not take anything they say seriously.
- Use racial slurs and jokes.
- Try “not to see colour” as if any colour except white is a bad thing that must be overlooked.
- See value in them only when they are useful to whites – otherwise they are “a drain on society”, can be killed by the police without consequence, can go to bad schools, etc. People of colour have no true human worth in their eyes.
In extreme cases they can become physically violent, like burning down Rosewood, Florida.
Thought patterns:
- Dichotomous thinking: Dividing everything into opposites, especially where one of the opposites is “good” and the other “bad”.
- Ranking: Putting people on a success/backwardness scale (IQ, income, technological development, etc).
- Moral blindness: Not facing up to the wrong one has done or benefits from.
- Stereotyping: Seeing others as limited, cardboard figures.
- Projection: Taking one’s worst qualities and imagining it in others. Often done as part of stereotyping.
- Pseudoscientific thinking: Conclusions come first, facts are then added, twisted or dismissed accordingly.
How to tell if a commenter suffers from Fragile White Ego Syndrome:
- Confuses anger with hatred;
- Gets extremely upset at being called a racist;
- Wants to “win” the argument at all costs rather than simply learn and understand;
- Uses the tone argument (“I would listen to you if you were not so angry”);
- Centre-staging: makes it all about them, particularly their feelings;
- Scripted lines (or dronespeak) – you have heard white people say the same thing before, almost word for word;
- Does many of the other things in this post.
Those with a true pride in their race or people, on the other hand, do not feel the need to put down others. They do not have to twist facts. They do not have to call people names. They can admit to faults, in themselves and their race. Because their pride is based on the truth not on a desperate front.
– Abagond, 2012.
See also:
- drapto – another take on this
- The tone argument
- Secret Course on Whiteness – where those scripted lines come from
- The hearts of white people: the science – the lack of empathy
- The feelings of white people – their feelings are more important than anything!
- I don’t see colour. I just see a human being
- dichotomous thinking
- pseudoscience
- How to become white
- narcissistic personality disorder
- Rosewood
There are quite a few fragile White egos around here. 😉
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To maintain this fragile white ego patients will:
Play up white accomplishments (inventions, “civilization”, IQ scores, freeing the slaves, etc)
Certain bigoted and racist people are very quick to use the word “we” when it comes to these things, as if they are time travelers or ancient vampires. Yet at the same time, they have a problem when Blacks talk about slavery in terms of “we”. A complete double standard. They say, “Why are you complaining about slavery. You were never a slave!”
Well, buddy, you didn’t build the Colosseum or the Roman aqueducts.
If I can’t talk about Black history, you can’t talk about White history either.
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they are the living borg
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Abagond,
Whiteness is a fallacy in and of itself.
To be white in America, is to ride on the coat tails of those brutalized and killed in the name of freedom.
Lying to oneself is the perfect mask for such agony of the soul. How do they sleep at night?
Thusly, the fragile white ego is born.
Any criticism from people of colour is seen as a direct threat, physical and mental. It actually scares them silly. Even on this blog, you can smell the fear. That’s why whites come on this thread and spew lies, create facts about IQ and try to ” convince ” us that it is US that’s at fault.
The white ego, especially in the US, is a terrible disease.
Everytime they look upon the face of a black person, it is a haunting reminder of the ghosts of ancestors past. No honest white can truly say that they are not racist. The more they try to convince us that they are ” a realist ” about racism, the more they put their foot in their mouths.
Whiteness, for lack of a better word, is akin to a cancer.
One day, the whole world will wake up and realize it.
What will they do then?
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“Scripted lines (or dronespeak) – you have heard white people say the same thing before almost word for word.’
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I’ve seen the first two a lot here. The third one surfaced more recently.
1. Others do/did it, too.
2. At least Whites stopped it/corrected it/made it right.
3. The Jews are the real problem, not us.
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You mentioned dronespeak! Yay!
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@ nom de plume
Anything not to live up to the guilt…
When people of colour are no longer the ” problem ” whites will turn against themselves.
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@ Ankhensen
Ever wonder why most whites have that missing link?
It’s like they are not fully human, with feelings, warmth and the ability to live.
They merely exist.
One intelligent blogger said ” It’s like a race of depressed people.”
Perhaps one reason is the way they were raised in the US.
Devoid of all things different, they assimilated into one boring, bland, dull shell of a person whos identity based solely on their skin.
No wonder we are such a big threat. One sperm, one ovum…and poof…they’re gone.
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Wow! This post is a really elaborate straw man!
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And before you know it, the ones suffering from it the most will argue this fact in no time.
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Right on the target. Perhaps the root of the problem is that there is actually no white country named America, but a hodge podge collection of immigrants and their children who for what ever reason cling on a fictional common heritage and tall tales of themselves and are constantly manipulated by the real elite via elborate propaganda machine.
Unlike in Europe where it is clear for everyone that whites are not a single monolithic group by any means, where majority of the people at least accept the terrible history of theirs (two world wars would difficult to explain as someone elses fault) and do not use phrases like “But I’m a good person” everytime when they do something bad, in USA there seems to be a weird idea floating around that identities are based on the skin color. That a society is based on skin color. That if Herman the German comes to the USA, he will automatically follow the foot steps of Arnold Schwarzenegger just because he is white german speaking male too. That Mihail the Muscowite turns miracously into a “white american” once he gets his visa in order. That all the whites want actually live in USA but somehow are not able to do so and that is why all those “other races” try to bum rush in illegally.
There are neo nazis in Europe, xenophic political parties, nationalistic movemenst, racists and all kinds of crazies and nutters, but normal white european will not try to convince anyone that those do not exist. In US there seems to be white americans who want everyone believe in such cuckoo ideas as creationism, race biology and racial evolution, white history (like there was such thing anywhere at all), white supremacy, white morals, the goodness of the whites and their deeds, race realism, the goodness of USA and its moral superiority on global scale.
And if any one dares to challenge their convictions, they are hurt deeply on a personal level because they are good persons, really. They get upset because their history is a success story without a parallel in human history. Because they have to be the best in the world. They have been told that so many times. Or like one singer/songwriter once sang pretty accurately: “I know its true, oh so true, cos I saw ot on tv.”
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” There are neo nazis in Europe, xenophic political parties, nationalistic movemenst, racists and all kinds of crazies and nutters, but normal white european will not try to convince anyone that those do not exist.”
I’ve been saying that for years.
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Whites won’t acknowledge that they feel accomplished by just being white, because that would lead to acknowledging white privilege, and whites are raised to think of themselves as individuals, whose successes are based on individual hard work.
PS. I am puzzled, if not slightly annoyed by the psychological mind games whites are playing these days. They are telling black people they are more racist than whites, and that they play the race card while calling black people the n-word, animals, etc.
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” There are neo nazis in Europe, xenophic political parties, nationalistic movemenst, racists and all kinds of crazies and nutters, but normal white european will not try to convince anyone that those do not exist.”
It’s true that European racism is not as deep-rooted and not as “petty” as American racism.
However, Europeans and Australians EXCUSE/DENY racism, by claiming ignorance about American racist symbols/stereotypes…those same symbols they borrow freely. E.G.Australian KFC commercial on youtube.
It begs the question…if they have no knowledge of American racial stereotyping and symbols, then where did they learn the ‘black people/fried chicken’ association, etc?
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Everybody does it to some degree. But I agree the “denial” mentality that American whites have is annoying. They do have a definite vested interest in denying realities with regard to to race in this country.
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You’d be wearing a loincloth and starving if your ancestors hadn’t been brought here. Now, here you are, floating absurd conspiracy theories on a computer while living in a space-age society. Please point out where I am wrong.
Why do you still live here? You are free to go back to Africa at any time.
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@ the good doctor
Please read the ” Go back to Africa ” segment of this blog.
You might learn something.
Might…
Since you are probably a troll from your comment, I won’t respond further.
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Dear Abaond,
I think that this posting is thought provoking. Thank you. I also want to add that I was thinking about those spinless white race purity proponants. ” We don’t have a problem with Blacks dating Blacks – but leave White people out of it!” losers. Their whole ego is propped up by this imaginary sense of importance or credit to being white.
Please! I hope that I am Black in future lives. At least then i can sleep at night knowing that I am not part of a system that thrives off of others suffering.
Yes i know that I don’t have to support Whiteness. I can and will be relentless in the fight against it. BUt simultaneously, having to correct professors, interrupt colleagues and disagree with peers isnt altogether possible every time. Sometimes the circumstance just won’t alllow it.
Doesn’t mean that it can’t be done 8 times out of 10. But i can’t feel bad if i miss them or don’t fight for it on the odd occasion.
Abagond, can i request that you touch upon the prospect of reconciliation at some point – what can be done by Whites and Blacks.
Cheers,
JT
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1) Dr. Whatever – try not to be an idiot ( not hopeful but I thought I would give it a try)
2) I’ve traveled all over the world and encountered all sorts if this is the singular reaction you have with white people – I would be so bold as to suggest a little self reflection might be in order because there might be another common denominator
3) not that I expect anyone to pay attention
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Dr. G,
Why don’t you go back to Europe. Everyone will be happier.
Sincerely,
JT
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@ everyone
Have you considered that keeping certain people at an inferior level also feeds the ego of most whites? That’s why they try so hard to keep us at a certain level, just close enough near them to prove that racism is dead but far enough to never surpass them.
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@JT
“Please! I hope that I am Black in future lives. At least then i can sleep at night knowing that I am not part of a system that thrives off of others suffering.”
Yeah, because there are no other systems that can make a person become privileged, like, because of their wealth or gender, or age, job, beauty, health, social status, family ties, religion, nationality, language, etc.
Yup! If it wasn’t for race we would all be equal!
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@mel:
“However, Europeans and Australians EXCUSE/DENY racism, by claiming ignorance about American racist symbols/stereotypes…those same symbols they borrow freely. E.G.Australian KFC commercial on youtube.
It begs the question…if they have no knowledge of American racial stereotyping and symbols, then where did they learn the ‘black people/fried chicken’ association, etc?”
It is the power of propaganda from Disney to music industry. Majority of the movies seen in Europe are american ones. Yes, Hollywood is here too. Has been for decades and it shows. Plus we have our own history of racism too. BUT no one is denying that, other than those who are racists. There is racism and racists in Europe in all levels and classes. No doubt. But it is not the driving force behind the System. Nationalism is more potent ingredient in European history.
In Australia the whole idea of the creating that land was based on racist idea: aborginales were to be wiped out. BUT Australian government has openly said that and publicly stated that aborginales are the original inhabitants and that their land was stolen etc.
In Europe nobody is trying to convince anyone that Adolf Hitler was not actually a european or that Josef Stalin was not really a white man. Nobody in Italy is telling to anyone that the mafiosi, dranghetisti or the camorristi are actually foreigners and not italians. Nobody is saying that Holy Inquisition did not burn and torture people as a policy.
In USA it is integral part of the System. It is in the very forms and questionaires, news paper stories, even in the sports raporting. Race is everywhere as a valid and important part of the culture everyday. It is in the idea that black americans eat certain foods, listen certain music, dress certain way, speak certain way, and that is because they are blacks. It is in the very idea that black is not the same as white and since this is so, then they can be placed on different leves of value, and the black are of course lower level. It is in the idea that police and security forces can profile people based on their skin color.
Why does the US goverment, state officials, local authorities wish to know are you a “caucasian”, “asian” or “black” when you apply for something? When you fill in the forms? In your passport? Because it is essential for the System based on racial hierarchies.
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@JT
Dr. G,
Why don’t you go back to Europe. Everyone will be happier.
I can assure you the Europeans wont be…..
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Yes… There are certainly fragile white egos, but no one could reasonably claim that these were the egos of genuine white Supremacists.
Truth be told, there isn’t a black female on this blog that wouldn’t want her a real black Supremacist to snuggle up with. Heck, if there were actually some notable genuine black Supremacists to speak of then “Black History Month” might actually have been a crucial factor in the uplift of the black collective.
Think about all these “black” liberationists and their oh-so icky feelings for black Supremacy. No wonder we have the “angry black woman” and her BWE movement. Somebody has to ascend in the black collective and apparently the black man just wants to be “liberated.” He doesn’t have time for black Supremacy. Loser.
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@ Dr. Grzlickson
Wow, I guess you want to be this thread’s useful idiot.
Your ignorance of Africa is self-serving – probably for the very reasons given in the post.
1. West Africans did not need the “help” of white people. In 1400 it had larger cities than England.
2. It was through the flow of weapons that whites made parts of Africa into a hellhole. Something that continues to this very day. (Not to say that some Africans have not made hellholes of their own.)
3. Most people in Africa are not starving or wearing loincloth. Africa supports a billion people. It is not, nor could it possibly be, a vast refugee camp. If you get your picture of Africa from what you see on white television, then you are not terribly bright.
4. Without whites raping Africa and Asia and taking over Australia and the Americas YOU would probably be living in a slum in Europe. Whites killed and robbed their way to the top. What the white history books call “The Age of Exploration” should be called “The Age of the White Pirates”.
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Abagond,
After all those nasty things you have to say about white people AND you’re still not arguing FOR black Supremacy.
Huh?
There is no “umph.” Where’s the conviction? The passion is MIA.
Truth be told…
If you had to choose between being a black liberationist and a black Supremacist, which would you choose?
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@ Abagond
These posts always amuse me.
The responses by whites I mean.
It’s as though they lose all means of rationale and regress into a 5 year old.
Why is it so bloody difficult to be reflective?
We do it all the time.
That’s how you grow and mature.
What is the missing link why whites do not have that ability?
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@ sam
I’ve lived in the UK, US and stayed in the islands long enough to be familiar with the culture.
America is the ONLY country with a severe denial complex.
The Germans have openly admitted Hitler’s sins. It’s no secret, no one is trying to sweep it under the rug.
The French openly admit their past mixings with the Nazi’s and their feelings towards Muslims. That is no secret.
Why is America different?
What is so special about whites here that they are blinded to their own evil?
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” It’s as though they lose all means of rationale and regress into a 5 year old.”
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It’s because they believe in America’s GOODNESS …
O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain;
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed His grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood,
From sea to shining sea.
O beautiful for heroes proved
In liberating strife,
Who more than self their country loved,
And mercy more than life!
America! America!
May God thy gold refine,
Till all success be nobleness,
And every gain divine.
O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam,
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self control,
Thy liberty in law.
and
The Star Spangled Banner
and
America the Beautiful
and
the Manifest Destiny (concept)
… are all part and parcel of the whiteness indoctrination process that elevates America to some sort of heavenly, God ordained stature. Albeit a false one.
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I think people in general on see value in you when you can serve a purpose for them.
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@ matari
No wonder we are falling apart.
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“No wonder we are falling apart.”
@ Truthbetold
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“We” ?????? 🙂
Although I was born and raised in America – and served 4 years in the nation’s military, I have hardly felt like an American, at least the type of (privileged) American that’s accepted, welcomed and embraced by this country’s mainstream society.
America, in 2012, still has no true or real allegiance with African people.
So, please don’t mind me as I exclude myself from that proverbial “we.”
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I agree with at least 85% to 95% of what you say ‘Abagond’, however, nothing that is presented here will encourage Whites/supremacist to change. Nothing. Their psychological, emotional mindset benefits them; I don’t care how ‘dysfunctional’ it is. They have power because of their ‘dysfunction’; in spite of their racist world view, they are ‘winners’. Having this mindset to them, is a plus. I think that unless you/we can express how their world view is damaging them, financially, ecologically, they will never have the necessary motivation to drop it. It is we, the black people, who need to change. We are trapped in their ‘world view’. My mother tells me that when she was very young, (7-8 years) her great great -grand mother, would talk about racism and whites. This was back in the 40’s and 50’s.
Her great great grandmother was probably born at the turn of the century, and she remembers the elders of her younger days talking about this American racism; these were people who were born in the mid to late 1800’s.
Case in point, I have an associate who is extremely attractive and is aware of this. Men fall all over her, and she takes advantage of them. She has abused this ‘beauty privilege’ and I tell her about it, in that karma may get her. She looks at me, and says her behavior, for good or bad has benefitted her significantly, and it has, ie. townhouse paid for, nice car paid off, trips to Europe, money in the bank, and ‘benefits’ on the job.
In her mind, why should she change? However, now that she is getting older, she has begun to recognize that her looks will be changing, and thus has, begun adapting her behavior likewise, but her initial behavior, paid off. Big.
I visit sites where very young people, (15+) are talking about racist experiences they are having. These are young people born after 1995! This is with us to stay. I will say that your site, and others like it, are cathartic for me, so I will take it for what it is worth. I’m not being defeatist but, it is what it is.
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“Gets upset at being called a racist”
Yeah, “Normal” people are totally cool with that…
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Call white people out on their bullsh!t and look at how easily they become angry, and defensive. If that isn’t fragile, I don’t know what is. Read the comments by most of the white people in this blog, and you’ll see proof of their anger and defensiveness. Abagond picked a great pic. The house of cards stacked up high like that with the feather falling is an accurate depiction of the fragile white ego. Eventually, the entire house of cards will come crashing down.
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Abagond—
I seriously doubt it. Link please.
As well even if so, no African city had anywhere near as many grand buildings as London did even at that time. The great Zimbabwe wasn’t that great at all, and just about everywhere else was one story huts.
As well since then West Africa and ssAfrica generally has done squat all.
Arabs were supplying weapons to ssAfrica long before whites were. Traders trade what people want to buy. What Africans did with their weapons is their problem and entirely and exclusively their responsibility. You sound as if whites should have been moral guardians for blacks.
Most people in ssAfrica live very close to the Malthusian limit and are on the verge of starvation a lot of the time. When famines come as they regularly do to Africa, without white food aid and other charity millions of Africans would starve. That’s the situation right now in the horn of Africa, but what with all the Somali pirate activity, memories of Blackhawk down, and so on, Americans have been having some donor fatigue re: that part of Africa.
Whites partly conquered their way to the top, like every other group that got there in history, but mostly they invented and organized and built their civilization to the top. White men created and invented the modern world soup to nuts. Blacks have always been civilizational laggards.
No amounts of your absurd efforts to demonize and in this post pathologize whites is ever gonna change that.
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@Leigh204
“Call white people out on their bullsh!t and look at how easily they become angry, and defensive.”
Call black people on their bullsh!t and look at how easily they become angry, and defensive. You know, crime rates, unemployment, education – that sort of stuff. It’s almost as if there was a link between the kind of statement a person is making and the kind of responses they are likely to get. I see that the possibility that there may be something wrong with the statements is entirely dismissed in this topic. Apparently, people who see certain statements as outrageous and react emotionally are simply unable to be reflective.
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I do believe this thread is about the fragile white ego; not black people’s.
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@ eco
Your missing the point of this post. Blacks don’t *deny* black problems.
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Oh Yeah–
They however largely blame them on whites, as Abagond constantly does, and are aided in this by extreme left wing whites such as Sam the Finn.
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@ Doug1
Two (abjectly false and misleading) points I want to address.
1.
First, here’s your link (Google is your friend btw):
http://geography.about.com/cs/worldfacts/a/timbuktu.htm
False. Haha. The intellectual output of West Africans in the middle ages was enormous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbuktu_Manuscripts
2.
Countries in Europe were living close to the Malthusian limit as recently as the mid 19th century. In fact, famines (disease as well), starvation and other conditions you ascribe to “Africa” were pretty much the order of the day.
The population of Ireland increased rapidly during the first half of the 19th century and numbered 8,3 million inhabitants 1846. But the Irish were completely dependent on potatoes as food and when the harvest failed in the late 1840:s a million Irishmen died of starvation. The reduction of the population continued during next hundred years because of emigration to America.
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Oh Yeah
Well then Timbukto had roughly the same population as London in the mid 1400’s, but not nearly the grand buildings London did even by then, from Parliament, to palaces, etc., etc.
Some of the backward countries of Eastern Europe were somewhat near that, though not nearly so much as is Africa TODAY and as Africa became not long after colonialism ended there. Further this isn’t improving in ssAfrica.
The industrial revolution, consisting of many interrelated inventions by white men, based in part on European science, permanently changed that in the European and European offshoot societies that successfully adopted it, and then East Asian ones. Before that by the late 17th century improved English and other western European farming technology including three field crop rotations, had moved most of England’s population well away from that. Black Africans have not successfully adopted it to any notable extent. White South Africans did, but the black government there is running that place into the ground. Talented young whites are leaving in droves, and many older ones as well, there’s so much discrimination against whites and for incompetent blacks imposed by the ANC government there in sizeable corps, etc. Not to mention in bloated government jobs.
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Abagond:
Whites will never be honest about their motives, because, they can’t. White power and wealth is built on the miseducation and brainwashing of those who are not white. Whites control the “media apparatus” on this planet, therefore, they control the thinking of others via tv, music, internet, magazines, journalism, education, etc. It’s very important that we as black people focus attention on media in this country and abroad. I, and others on this blog know the truth about white people, but not all of us. The truth is in the streets, not on the “Idiot Box” black people. Critique everything black people…Everything!!!
Tyrone
Free Aquarius
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This whole post was just absurd.
Some syndrome.
Blacks are simply not competitive statistically, on average, outside of simple music, some athletics and maybe acting. However few blacks and fewer still around here ever admit this, though it’s clearly true.
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@ Doug1
You do know, right, that you have been doing just what the post said you would do?
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@ silverfiddle
Thank you for the correction. I added the word “extremely” before “upset”.
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Your tap dancing around the “real” point Doug. “Grand buildings” (owned by an aristocrartic elite or by churches) is not equivalent to “better” or wealthier. West Africa was wealthier than most of Europe and highly educated.
“Grand buildings” when most of your population is starving or poor means nothing.
Wrong Doug. Europe is featuring quite prominently on this list of historical famines. England alone had 95.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
The rest of your post is posturing/supremacist nonsense. What does some tangent on South Africa have to do with the above points Doug?
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He’s clueless ofcourse.
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Yeah, tell the truth about black vs. white achievements, which it tries to pathologize, in truly absurd ways.
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@ silverfiddle
While no one likes being called a racist, some white people lose it if you call them a racist, however indirectly and gently you do it. Sometimes they make YOU into the bad guy and want YOU to apologize. If that is not a fragile ego in action then I do not know what is.
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Tyrone,
Since Abagond doesn’t have the guts to answer…
If given the choice to be a “black” liberationist or a black Supremacist, which would you choose?
Truth be told, I’ve never met a black American male that honestly claimed to be striving towards “equality.” Can you imagine one of these strong, independent black women being infatuated and taken asunder by the black man seeking “equality.” Lol. It’s almost too absurd to even comprehend.
Further, it’s never been EASIER to re-educate yourself and do it on the cheap. Heck, I was able to take that same “media” you talk about and re-educate myself on the perniciousness of the radical liberationist.
Isn’t “Abagond” part of the free media paradigm of which you lament and yet use to re-educate yourself?
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Imagine trying to make the claim that the black Supremacist had a fragile black ego. It doesn’t even make sense in the rational world. It’s like saying one’s pet rock has a “soft spot” for its owner.
Truth be told, the descent of the black collective is directly proportional to the degree in which said black collective rejects “black” Supremacy.
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eco,
Call black people on their bullsh!t and look at how easily they become angry, and defensive. You know, crime rates, unemployment, education – that sort of stuff. It’s almost as if there was a link between the kind of statement a person is making and the kind of responses they are likely to get. I see that the possibility that there may be something wrong with the statements is entirely dismissed in this topic. Apparently, people who see certain statements as outrageous and react emotionally are simply unable to be reflective.
A. This post is about the fragility of white people when you call them out on their BS.
B. Speaking as a black man, I think I can say that my people are more than aware of what’s going on in the community. I think some of us know where it came from, and I know black people are the only people who are taking these problems to task because they know only they can do it.
C. We’ve been blamed for everything wrong with this society every since we were “freed” from slavery. At the same time whites, as a people, have hardly been blamed for anything at all. Does this mean white people aren’t capable of screwing up society? Does this mean black people are subhuman after all? Only someone with a sheltered, brainwashed upbringing would make a dichotomous conclusion based on absolutely nothing of substance.
D. Why is it the whole black race and other POC have to take accountability for what one black person did that was heinous. Yet, it’s wrong if we do it to the white community no matter how many was involved at any given moment in time?
E. Look at how you, Doug, Thordaddy respond to this post, and tell me that if it’s not what is suggested in this blog, what the hell is it then?
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Brothawolf…
Don’t be a coward…
Truth be told, everything on here has been said a million times before and in a million other venues.
The question is why ARE YOU SO AVERSE to be a black Supremacist even as you lament your inferior position?
I already granted Abagond’s fragile white ego. It exists mainly in the radical white liberal. But to claim it exists in the genuine white Supremacist is to make a self-evidently false claim.
Truth be told, it would be equivalent to claiming that the black Supremacist has a fragile black ego.
Well then, what black person doesn’t then have a fragile black ego?
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^^^averse to [being] a black…
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You what know, I wish the black folks around here could experience white “privilege” for about a year and the white folks could experience being black for the same length of time.
I strongly suspect there would be a rousing around of whining all the way around.
Peace
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You’d be wearing a loincloth and starving if your ancestors hadn’t been brought here.
Dear ol Dr Grizlickson, where have you been, on vacation? Good to see you are your good ol curmudgeonly self!
Now, here you are, floating absurd conspiracy theories on a computer while living in a space-age society.
Hey now, everyone needs a hobby. Yours is coming to blogs diametrically opposed to your views and metaphorically dropping stink bombs for comical effects!
Please point out where I am wrong.
You are wrong!
Yes… There are certainly fragile white egos, but no one could reasonably claim that these were the egos of genuine white Supremacists.
You are right! They are too busy self-sexualizing themselves or each other!
This whole post was just absurd.
As are you since you deign to post so frequently!
Blacks are simply not competitive statistically, on average, outside of simple music, some athletics and maybe acting. However few blacks and fewer still around here ever admit this, though it’s clearly true.
Oh yeah we is dumb sah! Satisfied onanist?
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@ thordaddy
I told you that I no longer wished to converse with you but I will answer this briefly.
This post isn’t about blacks and their egos.
It’s about whiteness, in America, and how their frail egos prevent them from seeing the harsh truth.
The fact that you are here, trying to turn things around, to blame US and say that we are the ones that have the defect, on THIS blog…well that speaks volumes.
May I suggest reading the post on derailment, tone and go back to africa. Also the secret course on whiteness is a good one for Doug and others like yourself.
You are aware that the very things you are saying is the foundation of this post right?
You come across as wanting to be so intelligent, always speaking about ‘radical sexual autonomy’ and such rubbish, you ARE aware that this post is about you, no?
And please don’t address me anymore, I shan’t be responding.
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@ herneith
Have I ever mentioned that you crack me up?
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“That advantage — one might even say, privilege — of being seen first as an individual rather than as the member of a defective and problematic group, can even be the difference between life and death. And here I am not merely referring to the way in which so many people of color have been killed by police who saw their cell phones, keys, or merely black skin as evidence of danger and shot first, only to ask questions never. Here I am referring to the way that black and brown folks who are fortunate enough not to go the way of Sean Bell, or Amadou Diallo or so many others, nonetheless have their lives shortened by the racialized stresses that flow from life lived as a problem.
Years of research about which most have no awareness — because it doesn’t make the news — tells us that the daily coping with racialization, which people of color learn to do from an early age, but which whites rarely if ever experience, leaves scars.
It contributes to the excess release of stress hormones in the black and brown body, causing something called allostatic load — a reference to the short-circuiting of the body’s natural defenses against anxiety-producing events and traumas. That allostatic load then corresponds to higher blood pressure, higher rates of heart disease, and early death.
The research has found that even affluent black folks have higher markers for allostatic load than poor whites, despite the real stresses that the latter contend with each day.”
http://www.timwise.org/2012/01/flying-below-radar-race-privilege-and-the-evidence-of-things-not-felt/#more-913
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“While no one likes being called a racist, some white people lose it if you call them a racist, however indirectly and gently you do it. Sometimes they make YOU into the bad guy and want YOU to apologize.” Abagond
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I hope they’re not holding their breath…
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I had the same experience Peanut when i told my brother that a series of comments that he made which i thought were racist. He didn’t like it so he started shrieking at me. Said all sorts of nasty stuff.
Its like his world came to an end.
He needed to just own it and then reflect like Abagond says. He’s not going to learn shit all otherwise
JMO.
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@ peanut and JT
Calling someone out on racism is worse than BEING racist because in their minds, if you are aware of it, they can no longer hide and keep up the facade.
Being racist is ok, though.
As long as no one ever knows about it.
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Thordaddy,
Truth be told, everything on here has been said a million times before and in a million other venues.
The question is why ARE YOU SO AVERSE to be a black Supremacist even as you lament your inferior position?
I already granted Abagond’s fragile white ego. It exists mainly in the radical white liberal. But to claim it exists in the genuine white Supremacist is to make a self-evidently false claim.
Truth be told, it would be equivalent to claiming that the black Supremacist has a fragile black ego.
Well then, what black person doesn’t then have a fragile black ego?
And I think it’s safe to say that the opposition against everything said here has been said a trillion times, not to mention that inverse of what is said here has been campaign slogans for years.
I never came off as a black supremacist from the very start. Where you came up with that assumption is anyone’s guess.
Abagond has never written any hint of the notion that blacks are superior.
If there are black people with fragile egos, why do you think this is so? Were they born that way or were they the result of hundreds of years worth of destructive physical, psychological, and emotional conditioning? Seeing as how you have a “fear” of blacks telling their stories which will likely include white villians, I will have to guess that you can not see how history and society could ever have an affect on the lives and minds of black folk.
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One could also delve further into the Fragile White Ego when you look at how badly white people react to being called a “Race Traitor”. Which is why so many whites react so harshly and are often afraid to call other whites out on their bigotry in this day and age. Because their entire sense of self worth is based upon “being white” and what is associated with whiteness, to be called a “race traitor” is to be kicked out of the club so to speak. A fate worse than death, since they are nothing without that identity.
Notice how individuals from other ethnic groups react when they are called a “race traitor” or given a similar label. Most continue what they were doing because it’s what they want (while sometimes developing animosity towards the foolish individuals of their group that have labeled them). But in the end, they aren’t afraid to change. Just a little angry. For that large percentage of whites though, it’s the exact opposite.
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Good piece Abagond!
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Truthbetold,
Truth be told, I hadn’t addressed you in this thread until now and to believe that this post applies to me is laughable. Listen, you can’t blame me or any white person for the fact that you don’t wake up everyday in the arms of a black Supremacist.
Say it loud…
Truthbetold would never find herself sexually or romantically entangled with a black Supremacist because such a black man must have a fragile ego.
Lol… Such is the stunted world of the radical liberal.
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Whites have elevated themselves above the concept of ethnicity.
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Brothawolf, It can be implied superiority. Like when you say that white people have something mentally ingrained in their head they are born with… it is implied inferiority. When Truthbetold states that whites must not be fully human because of many of her false assumptions, and no one argues with that….. is is not only implied inferiority(for the white people) and in my mind implied supremacy ……do your own deductive reasoning, but also one of the many stages of genocide as it has been defined ON this blog.
Many people have backed that up on here with statements that “The white people’s time is up.” When I see no one argue with that it is implied hatred.
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Another thing you could write this post in reverse(remove”racist whites” , and paste”racist blacks”, and put in on one of those white racist blogs(that brothawolf intimately knows so much about) and hear the same cheers from the crowd. THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD PEOPLE IN EVERY RACE. Some of you have the same traits that you complain about on this post. People in general always look for the worst in their competitors, that is what you guys excel at. But sometimes you need to look in the mirror and pop your own zits. (just made that one up so you guys will think some of us are original thinkers.
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the funny thing is we are all building a house on here, maybe most of the white people (including myself) have been using playing cards.
There are some black people and those of other races(with so much hate that they can’t even have a convo with you unless you pledge allegiance to hating all things white) who have been building a house as well, now they are using a combination of spackle, cardboard, bricks, drywall, straw, wood putty, and lead paint. Now maybe your house will stand a little longer. But sooner or later…….later in your life, alot of you will realize how wrong you were. At least we will find out that this racist crud (that many of you are also holding on to) is baulshhhhit before you will, and we might build a nice house before it’s too late.
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@ Dave
And yet most white posters on here don’t even say anything about Paper Tiger Racists like Doug1 and jargon spewing, derailing, useful idiots like Thordaddy. It’s strange that whites such as yourself are only interested in and call for balance when it’s white people in the cross-hairs.
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My advice, bring out the cannons now and blow that sh** up, go hug a white person,…..let it go. I did.
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What seems off about some of these comments is that white people deny their history unlike the germans with the holocaust.
But far as I know; slavery isn’t denied in history classes, the mass amounts of genocide, rape and theft to the native people’s isn’t denied in history classes…..
Or more recently about how fubar’ed the whole vietnam war was.
Now on personal/individual levels yeah, alot of people seem to be into denial on a surprising level, or inregards to politicians, corporations, military groups etc……
But give us a few years and the US is by and large pretty open about its sins when its aware of them.
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doug says: “They however largely blame them on whites, as Abagond constantly does, and are aided in this by extreme left wing whites such as Sam the Finn.” 😀
So, it is the commies and n*****s, darn, after all! Working together to bring down the white american male! Conspiracy! Lets see how long it takes from our residet racist Doug to bring the jews into this elborate conspiracy of blacks and commies. Any bets?
Talking about fragile white egos…
😀
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Brothawolf,
I didn’t say you were a black Supremacist.
I ASKED, if given a choice between being a “black” liberationist and a black Supremacist, which would you choose?
Your dodge speaks volumes, but I’ve already heard those just like you loud and clear.
Truth be told…
THERE ARE NO NOTABLE black Supremacists in the public consciousness.
You think this is just splendid.
Truth be told, it’s made for a lot of “angry black women.”
I mean, what self-respecting black woman goes for the black man who strives for “equality?”
Ab-so-lute-ly silly to believe that…
That’s the truth being told.
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Abagond,
You can’t keep writing these posts with the motivation in mind that you are conveying some objective truth when you reject Objective Truth, in principle.
What is better evidence for this rejection than your corrupted liberal notion that Supremacy equals degeneracy?
This is why you won’t claim to be a black Supremacist and must assert that such a black man MUST HAVE a fragile ego.
This line of thinking is totally irrational and purely subjective.
You just can’t be taken truthfully, but you can be taken as very dangerous.
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@dave
My advice, bring out the cannons now and blow that sh** up, go hug a white person,…..let it go. I did.
Have you dave, honestly? Then why is it, that so many elements of your posts are such that they could easily create disharmony?
The common ground that you feel you have with POC is fighting against the man, your idea of perceived hierachial constraints, rich versus poor, etc, basically any econonmical ‘thang’ that you perceive keeps people down where at the bottom – right?
I know damn well you recognise that there are further factors that can be potential barriers when you are a POC – at times in your posts there are glimmers of light where you do show an understanding of this. Thing I find with you dave is, when the focus is taken away from the ‘common’ aspects, you seem to get antsy, then nasty, then downright bitter and then the implied criticisms, underlying spite and then, controversial comments start pouring out. Again, not because I think you really mean it, but because the conversation has moved away from what you want it to be about. A conversation where YOU have the voice you lack in day to day life. Has it ever occurred to you that this is what most of the commenters are doing here too????
You seem to hate it when POC can qualify other issues that can be potential barriers in their life, i’m going out on a limb here dave and am gonna say that in your case, you cant stand the fact that there is credence to what they are saying whilst comparitively, the only thing that is holding you back at times is you.
You even started having a tantrum on the ‘nominations’ post – raising the ‘concern’ that some of the nominees were not American talking about the fact that this is an American forum by an American blogger – quite hurtful really as it seems to suggest an exclusitivity that again seems quite narrrow and prejudice. I realise though that this again is your way of saying ‘hey, what about me’ but you could have put it better than you did.
I realise at times Abagonds posts must seem relentless in the way they focus on aspects of ‘whiteness’ but, like me, and like ANYBODY on this post you can choose to join in or not.
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@ Thordaddy,
Why do you ask brothawolf that question in the conditional? Why wouldn’t he have the ability to choose between being a supremacist or not already? He’s alive and incredibly smarter than you and you’re ilk.
If someone can reconcile that a people (whites) are fascistic in their intergroup relations but that there is still redeemable aspects to anyone (even whites), why would he need to engage in racial supremacist ideas like you and the others pursue. He has a much more nuanced, gradiated view of reality and people. You take the dichotomous, categorical approach. Which speaks volumes. But i digress….
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“Calling someone out on racism is worse than BEING racist because in their minds, if you are aware of it, they can no longer hide and keep up the facade.
Being racist is ok, though.
As long as no one ever knows about it.”
@ Truthbetold
So thats why. I was always wondering why he flipped out so frantically and maniacally. It was the surprise of being revealed!
The sad part was his comments revealed himself (he was complaining that people at work got there through equitable hiring policies, not their work – a common theme amongst disgruntled whites).
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“You seem to hate it when POC can qualify other issues that can be potential barriers in their life, i’m going out on a limb here dave and am gonna say that in your case, you cant stand the fact that there is credence to what they are saying whilst comparitively, the only thing that is holding you back at times is you.”
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@ Demerera
Actually, you’re not out on a limb. You’re standing on a solid rock wall made of granite. Excellent profiling!!!
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Abagond:
Black people allow whites to think and act as they do. We need to point the finger at ourselves as well. If black people had it together, we wouldn’t be discussing this subject right now. If a rat can get the cheese, it will be devoured. When whites play the denial card all the time, i laugh it. It doesn’t get under my skin, because, i know how whites think and act in relation to black people. As the enslaved minority in this country, we have to know the ways of whites more so than the opposite. This is what Dave and other whites on this blog fail to comprehend. We know where the rotten fruit is, continuing to lie to us is not accomplishing anything…Real Talk! I saw Hannity’s interview with Pat Buchanan last night, and the subject of whites becoming a minority in the US came up during the interview. In a nutshell, america will cease to be a relevant country without the european, judeo-christian ethos. Listening to what Pat said about the issue brought the fragile ego convo full circle in my mind. Whites are losing their power, wealth, and whiteness as well. Why would the masses of whites on this planet think that the mirage of white supremacy would last forever, even a child can see thru that nonsense. The ugly truth about whiteness, is that, it’s a mirage. It was all built on the backs of Africa and black people and native-americans as well. This truth is out in the open, can’t be disputed. I don’t stress about white folk anymore, because, they don’t have power over us. White racism and envy can’t defeat us, if it was the case, our race wouldn’t be here today. I choose to focus on the devil within, and we have a lot of those in our race…Sadly!!!
Tyrone
Black Eros
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@Matari
Its a shame as I feel dave’s frustration I really do. There is a palpable sense of powerlessness there that can affect many of us at times….
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@ tyrone
” The ugly truth about whiteness, is that, it’s a mirage. It was all built on the backs of Africa and black people and native-americans as well. This truth is out in the open, can’t be disputed. I don’t stress about white folk anymore, because, they don’t have power over us. White racism and envy can’t defeat us, if it was the case, our race wouldn’t be here today. I choose to focus on the devil within, and we have a lot of those in our race…Sadly!!!”
Well spoken!
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@ everyone
I get the feeling that even if the day came when whites had to make a choice to accept the hand of a well meaning black or perish, I suspect that many would rather perish.
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@Truth
I would thankfully take the hand. I will take it again and again if it is offered. I wouldn’t blame Blacks if it weren’t offered though. Blacks have been graceful enough throughout the course of everything. Offering it alone shows a Godliness whites mostly never could show.
Calling it like i see it.
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@ Abagond
Attention grabbing post. However the constant analysis of particularly negative stuff about white people on this blog just comes across as a sort of group therapy for black people. Don’t you think your repeating yourself Abagond? How about a change of subject for a bit??
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Matari–
What utter nonsense.
Your link is to lying extremist lefty Tim Wise who I no longer ever bother to read as nothing he says can be trusted as anything remotely acquainted with the truth.
Where is all the great blacks success in the world? Where oh where, and when oh when. Nowhere and never are your answers. It always seems to be those omnipotently evil whites who by hook or by crook, keep blacks from rising!!!
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Oh wait, that must be my “fragile white ego” speaking, according to Abagond’s all encompassing set of indications!!!!
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“However the constant analysis of particularly negative stuff about white people on this blog just comes across as a sort of group therapy for black people.”
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LOL – And that’s EXACTLY how many of us here who frequent this site feel, Peter.
This blog is for us (black folks and other PoC) what the “reality distortion field” aka “the mainstream culture” is for white people.
Something else you should know: This site is NOT written for white people’s entertainment or benefit – so if that’s a concern of yours, you’re probably at the wrong blog.
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have you ever stopped to think why it’s so hard for you to comprehend what is written here or to take in to what people who disagree with you have to say?
Randy would need a quart of liquor and a case of beer to do so.
How about a change of subject for a bit??
It is his blog. He can write what he wants. If he wants to write about the price of ice in Antarctica he can!
Oh wait, that must be my “fragile white ego” speaking, according to Abagond’s all encompassing set of indications!!!!
What ego? You ain’t got one!
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@ Matari
This site is NOT written for white people’s entertainment or benefit – so if that’s a concern of yours, you’re probably at the wrong blog.
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I’m well aware the blog is not written for the benefit of white people. Abagond has continually made that clear in his writing and it’s not a concern of mine. I read it because I find it interesting. Good luck with the therapy!
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I find it amusing that whites come on this blog and pester the owner of the blog to change his wicked ways!!!!
LOL!!
What is this world coming to?
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@ Peter : )))
“Don’t you think your repeating yourself Abagond? How about a change of subject for a bit??”
“I read it because I find it interesting.” : /
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Good LUCK to YOU as well…
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What you see here folks, is called White Fear.
See, whites have been the default for so long, they don’t know who they are without their colour.
America is changing into a Brown Nation.
What does that mean for white power?
Does it still hold strong when you aren’t the dominant force to be dealt with?
Who will be the next ” target “?
Perhaps the handicapped?
Or people who wear glasses?
What does it mean for your identity?
Will you be respected as white when white no longer exists?
Perhaps Abagond can do a post on White Fear.
I feel that we, as a nation, are on the brink of another Civil War.
There’s proof that it has already begun.
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*munching kettle corn*
Ooh, this thread off the chain! Some of these comments are out of control.
LOL@Telling the blog author what not to write about. Get your own damn blog! And if you didn’t like his choice of subject, you wouldn’t keep bringing yourself here.
Damn this is some good popcorn!
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“I feel that we, as a nation, are on the brink of another Civil War.
There’s proof that it has already begun.”
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In my point of view, THE war you’re speaking of has been ongoing since we were kidnapped from parts of Africa, brought to this country in chains and forced to labor and create wealth for others. This war is still waging, in my opinion.
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@ Matari
I should have made it clear that I find Abagonds blog interesting most of the time. Thanks for the good luck message though!
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I think me and Tyrone basicly are saying the same thing…… In alot of different ways. also demerera Your advice to me is real sound. The only thing stopping me is me. The same goes for the troubled souls on here. Their perceived “MAN” keeping them down is a shadow at best.
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at least a shadow of what it once was
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@Truthbetold”
“America is changing into a Brown Nation.”
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That’s why a terrified Pat Buchanan felt the need to write a book with a chapter called “The End of White America.” That is what many of them fear.
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@ darqbeauty
Could you spare some of that kettle corn? It sounds yummy. LOL.
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@ Nom de plume
They believe we will do to them what they have done to us.
That is the stem of keeping us down.
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I get the feeling that even if the day came when whites had to make a choice to accept the hand of a well meaning black or perish, I suspect that many would rather perish.
I heard of a quote a while back that a white man would rather walk with another white man to hell than walk with a black man to heaven.
This quote alone speaks volumes.
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@ brothawolf
Why is Jesus portrayed as Germanic / Nordic?
Was he not Middle Eastern?
Why not deep bronze skin and dark, swarthy features?
Is the ego so fraile that even Christ must look like them?
Sometimes I think I’m losing my mind thinking about this stuff…
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Thordaddy,
You asked, “The question is why ARE YOU SO AVERSE to be a black Supremacist even as you lament your inferior position?”
Then you said:
I ASKED, if given a choice between being a “black” liberationist and a black Supremacist, which would you choose?
Your dodge speaks volumes, but I’ve already heard those just like you loud and clear.
Okay.
To answer your question I would prefer to be a black liberationist.
There. Are you happy?
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Truthbetold,
Is the ego so fraile that even Christ must look like them?
Sometimes I think I’m losing my mind thinking about this stuff…
Must be. I think it’s the extreme of their collective superiority complexes.
If they think their Creator is a white man who hates everyone non-white as much as most of them do, there are no words to describe this obsessive need to feel superior.
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Where is all the great blacks success in the world? Where oh where, and when oh when. Nowhere and never are your answers. It always seems to be those omnipotently evil whites who by hook or by crook, keep blacks from rising!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubian_Architecture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aksumite_architecture
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I predict my banning soon, despite Abagond’s declaration of principles on that.
Simply because I’m too challenging to his message.
As many of his black commentariate want as well. For censorship purposes.
I’ll be impressed with Abagond if not, but consider the odds against.
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Someguy–
That’s the best you can do??????????????
Absolutely pathetic!!!!!
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Dave Lister was just like you and the only reason he got banned is for using a sock puppet. As long as you are coherent, I don’t see the problem with what you are saying as long as I can likewise challenge your statements. I’ve seen Abagond ban people before and he doesn’t do it arbitrarily or according to what other people desire.
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@ doug
Someguy–
That’s the best you can do??????????????
Absolutely pathetic!!!!!
See, things like this won’t get you banned, but they may get your post deleted unless you actually have something of value to say.
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Civilizational nothing.
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Everything I’ve said here has been of high intelligence because I am. I could show you. But whatev.
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@ doug
And you are still sticking to that line you are a “race realist” with those statements you’ve just made? Stop trying to deny what you are…a bigot. Admit it.
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Doug1,
Intelligence is always about proving a point Doug1. Intelligence is also being able to say what you don’t know. Which you have yet to do.
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***isn’t always***
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@ JT
Why argue?
Sometimes a baby just has to cry.
That’s what my grandma always says.
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LOL @ baby has to cry.
Yah but can you handle hearing that squabbling racket. It gives me a headache.
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The “people of color” concept exists mostly in the minds of guilt ridden white liberals and militant Black academics. Ain’t no love lost between Blacks and East Asians, or Blacks and PRs, or Blacks and Jews, or Blacks and Mexicans, or Blacks and South Asians, or Blacks and Arabs, or Blacks and West Indians, or Blacks and African immigrants. Blacks call the Arabs who run the local gas station “ragheads” to their faces, mock and insult and rob the Chinese who run the only grocery stores in Black neighborhoods, fight tooth and nail the white people who are rehabbing houses and businesses and picking up the trash in the ghetto, snarl about the Mexicans who are getting hired to do the lower level jobs, and assault and rob the African immigrants because they aren’t “really Black” because they do something besides hand on the corner and drink 40s all day.
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Doug, Jay from Philly,
There’s been a study recently about people with low intelligence tend to be the more prejudice, racist, and conservative:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/study-links-low-iq-to-racism-prejudice-and-conservatism.aspx?pageID=238&nID=12943&NewsCatID=374
Now, I don’t know what to say about this article yet. However, it does support the reasons why racists and “race realists” feel the need to come to anti-racism blogs like this and repeat the same rhetoric over and over again in a forum not designed to support that kind of thinking. Yet, emotion seems to trump logic in such cases as some people can’t handle POC disagreeing with them. They have even less of a time to even consider the possibility that their brand of thinking is harmful to their growth.
I know they will disagree with this article, call it part of a liberal agenda, continue to say blacks are this, that, and the other. But what I see that is very telling is that people like Jay and Doug THINK this blog is referring to THEM as they include themselves in the collective. So, they come here defending themselves underneath their essays of white accomplishments and why black people are bad. It’s a clue that could tell everyone how low their self-esteem is. Hence, their egos are fragile. I’m just saying.
And Doug, just because you disagree with our stance in a subject doesn’t make it unintelligent or stupid. That’s something an immature person would say and immaturity is a sign of a weak mind.
You said, ” Everything I’ve said here has been of high intelligence because I am.” And everything said to dispute your stance on race and blacks is not? Even though there is information to support the arguments against you, it’s still rubbish?
Let me ask you something Doug, what made you commit to this kind of ideology in the first place, and where did you learn this?
Jay from Philly, same question.
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@ leigh204
Call white people out on their bullsh!t
You look pretty damned white… You should probably change your picture or darken it up to maintain credibility…
You wouldn’t want people calling you the Vanilla Ice of the blogisphere…
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@ Silverfiddle
Um…she’s Filipino.
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I predict my banning soon, despite Abagond’s declaration of principles on that.
I hope not you are comical! Besides, even if you are, there are probably more to take your place and then there is Randy and Thordaddy!
Simply because I’m too challenging to his message.
No, it is simply because you are too simple.
As many of his black commentariate want as well. For censorship purposes.
Oh no, I think you're wonderful!
I’ll be impressed with Abagond if not, but consider the odds against.
I’d be impressed if he gave a shi+.
Absolutely pathetic!!!!!
Yes you are!
As long as you are coherent,
When has this guy ever been coherent? Many lunatics sound sane until they start going off on tangents like Doug does.
Everything I’ve said here has been of high intelligence because I am.
Keep typing and perhaps you will convince yourself of this!
@Jay; Why are you here?
You look pretty damned white… You should probably change your picture or darken it up to maintain credibility…
You look pretty damned foolish hombre!
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@Franklin
I’ve been called a lot of things, but to “look pretty damned white?” Now that’s funny. lol!. 😀
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Brothawolf,
Am I “happy” that you’re a “black” liberationist? No, not at all. I wish you were a black Supremacist and then we could travel on frictionless parallel paths without holding hands like two little girls. As it stands now, you’re a self-annihilator preaching what you believe.
Truth be told, a healthy-minded man FEARS the liberationists amongst him. They are everywhere. He rightfully FEARS their self-annihilating tendencies and its infectious spread. He FEARS those who attempt to find salvation in the creation of an earthbound enemy with god-like power. He truthfully FEARS those whose highest values are nondiscrimination and tolerance as he has no desire to join in this all-accepting indiscriminancy.
Truth be told, black women LOVE black Supremacists.
Now you figure out why the black man/black woman relationship is in such disarray?
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Thordaddy,
What color are you?
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@ Brothawolf
Don’t let his jargon filled posturing confuse you. Thordaddy is just a W.I.N.O Hispanic.
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@Franklin Hispanic to me is like saying someone is american. You can have the full spectrum of hispanic people. There are very few hispanics that aren’t mixed. They could have Native, Black, Spanish, French, Irish, English or all of the above. I’m sure you know that…… but if you notice you could have a Puerto Rican boxer that is blacker than wesley snipes, and all of his country men back him like irish people would an irish boxer, they don’t seem to be worried as much about the color. There could be a guy who looks full spanish, and he has more african and native then he does spanish in his dna.
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@ Dave
Apparently, you have no clue what I was talking about in my last post, so you went off on a tangent, with the hope that you would touch upon it. If in the political world the common acronym R.I.N.O. = “Republican In Name Only”, what do you think W.I.N.O. would mean when used in conjunction with Hispanic? Use your head more, and rant less.
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In any case Thordaddy and speaking for myself I don’t think of myself as superior to anyone because of my skin or African roots. I don’t know for sure. Like I said in a comment in another post, I’m not as sharp as the people who comment here, and I don’t pretend to be. I come here to learn and give my two cents.
Whatever you may think of me is up to you and I can’t change it nor should I worry about it.
In any case this talk about black liberalism and black supremacy is way off topic here. I’m ending this conversation.
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ok franklin I get it. I really don’t come on here just to rant. There are points on here that are excellent…..some of them came from you.
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Brothawolf,
I’m a real life “white boy.”
At some point you have to quit seeing Supremacy in relative terms as your liberal ideology requires.
It’s very simple.
Your liberationist ideology tells you…
Supremacy equals degeneracy.
Clearly, this is false.
It requires you to see “supremacy” in relatives terms EVEN AS you deny Supremacy in absolute terms.
You are not alone in embracing this corrupted conception of man’s existence.
Never forget that man strives towards Supremacy.
If black man opts out that’s on black man himself.
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Abagond,
What can a black man who strives towards “equality” while making a habit of denegrating whites who ALSO strive towards “equality” teach a white man who strives towards Supremacy?
And what does it say when you can’t make a distinction between these two completely distinct types of white people?
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@ Thordaddy
Apparently you conflate the truth about dangerous white pathologies with someone trying to denigrate through being insulting. Even with your dressed up speech, you still project as blatantly as your average, inarticulate, and knee-jerking white person. I figured you’d slip up sooner or later.
(They always do.)
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@Jay from Philly
Ain’t no love lost between Blacks and East Asians, or Blacks and PRs, or Blacks and Jews, or Blacks and Mexicans, or Blacks and South Asians, or Blacks and Arabs, or Blacks and West Indians, or Blacks and African immigrants.
We get it – Black American people alienate everybody, right? *SMH*
Blacks call the Arabs who run the local gas station “ragheads” to their faces, mock and insult and rob the Chinese who run the only grocery stores in Black neighborhoods, fight tooth and nail the white people who are rehabbing houses and businesses and picking up the trash in the ghetto, snarl about the Mexicans who are getting hired to do the lower level jobs, and assault and rob the African immigrants because they aren’t “really Black” because they do something besides hand on the corner and drink 40s all day.
Another day in the life of your hood Jay? Sounds like you really need to move to another part of town, but I get the sense this excites you greatly and you’re just waiting for an in from Leftie the main man or Knuckles, or whatever the names were of the ‘hoodlum’ people you have quoted on other posts!!!!
I think people would respect your posts more Jay if you were honest about your motivation and agenda therein. Your purpose seems to be to perpetuate the stereotypes and myths about BM in particular but, in order to reflect some kind of potential stark contrast between the crimes of some BM and WM which unfortunately does not really exist.
Do you really think this will make BW (other than janet who I have a strong feeling might pop up any minute) feel enamoured towards you? You remind me of a bloke I went to school with who I believe is still working desperately hard to secure a BW – they dont stay with him cos he is incredibly insecure, always making racial asides and comments, acting innocent or dismissive when he’s called out on it. He is able to continue the cycle because he has ‘black mates’ he thinks he shouldnt be called out on his ridiculous comments. BTW, most BW that he used to date never ended up staying with him as the core of his very being was so obsessed with race and BM in general, it became painful and destructive both to him and their relationship.
Sound familiar Jay? In fact, i’d like to direct him to this post as I think he is an acute case of FWES.
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@ Thordaddy
Liberal ideology? To not define our self-worth through our color of skin?
You are a tool. Plain and simple. Stop messing with our heads with your crappy language. It’s plain how morally (and semantically) vacuous it is.
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Btw, that should read “racist white person”, instead of “white person”. Although, clarification probably wasn’t necessary.
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@JT
You are a tool. Plain and simple. Stop messing with our heads with your crappy language. It’s plain how morally (and semantically) vacuous it is.
You cant make sense out of nonsense mate which is exactly why he posts in the way he does.
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[…] Fragile white ego syndrome. […]
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“You cant make sense out of nonsense mate which is exactly why he posts in the way he does”
@ Demerera,
I get a headache reading his posts. Which is saying a lot – as a university student i have to read a lot of white pseudo-intellectual garbage.
@ Brothawolf,
Ive read your work and Ive learned a lot from it. I would never have presumed that you aren’t as sharp (or sharper) than anyone else on this board (including myself). You write with a soulful intelligence that is profoundly moving.
That is altogether uncommon in message boards, literature, and other forms of media.
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Point out white people’s fragile egos and they can’t take criticism very well. It’s a jolt to their system. They don’t want to listen at all. They take it personally. And mostly, they don’t want to admit fault. It’s obvious racism is a problem, but do they want to fix it? Learn from it? Nope. They just won’t let it go.
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What can a black man who strives towards “equality” while making a habit of denegrating whites who ALSO strive towards “equality” teach a white man who strives towards Supremacy?
Self-sexualize! You won’t have to worry about these things! I agree to this philosophy but only when it comes to female supremacy! Men should realize who really runs them! They should bow down and kiss my feet ere I trod! Especially whilst carrying my shopping parcels or handing over their paycheques! This is why I espouse(pun intended) polyandry, multiple husbands. Yes, we do have some philosophical similarities! Ain’t that something, hardy har ho!
And what does it say when you can’t make a distinction between these two completely distinct types of white people?
It means you and all men should be in a female supremacist, polyandrous relationship! This philosophy thing is fun!
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“And mostly, they don’t want to admit fault. It’s obvious racism is a problem, but do they want to fix it? Learn from it? Nope. They just won’t let it go.”
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@ Leigh
They can’t let it go. The “superiority” and “color” monster has them chained in its darkest prisons and dungeons. Only a tiny few are permitted to escape. The overwhelming majority are destined to remain there stuck – forever caught and trapped behind the door of “stolen souls” because they believed in the lies re whiteness.
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hahahahahahahahahaha….
that is all.
Lets just remember to be peaceful and accepting of all people despite their cultural short comings.
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The real question is:
How has Doug “contributed” to “civilization”? Besides worthless comments and hate speech on an internet blog?
He’s been quiet on his own accomplishments (if any) while he calls out an entire race of people (with false claims at that).
lol.
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^ This is the typical pattern of white racists on the internet.
The “White Inventor Argument”.
Needless to say these same people have usually invented nothing. They suffer from low self-esteem and prop it up by “claiming” the achievements of others.
Losers.
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@ Peter
No.
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@ Brothawolf & Truthbetold
Your comments of late have been wonderful and a help to me. It makes me so glad that I wrote the posts that I did. Thank you.
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@ Abagond
I thought about it and your quite right it’s your blog. Fair enough.
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””””
on Sun 19 Feb 2012 at 20:30:33Oh Yeah
^ This is the typical pattern of white racists on the internet.
The “White Inventor Argument”.
Needless to say these same people have usually invented nothing. They suffer from low self-esteem and prop it up by “claiming” the achievements of others.
Losers.”””””””””
this needs further investigation. thanx!
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@ Abagond, Brothawolf, Matari, etc…
No, thank you.
It’s comforting to know that I am not insane.
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It looks to me like Black men have the most fragile egos. Can’t mention those flash mob riots in Center City are all Black teens assaulting nonBlacks. It makes the Black community look bad. Can’t have our (Black) Mayor Nutter call for a curfew and tell the rioters they are a disgrace their race. He’s a disgrace to HIS race for talking about it. Can’t mention that every cop killed in the line of duty in Philly in the last 5 years was by a Black man in the process of committing a crime. That’s racist! Can’t speak publicly about how Arlene Ackerman ran up a $600 million budget shortfall for a largely Black school district. Whitey attacks her because she’s a STRONG BLACK WOMAN (TM)! Can’t allow that Temple student who shot back at a 15-year old Black mugger go unpunished! Gotta ban all student (read non-Black) housing in the Temple neighborhood. Daily News can’t run a picture of a shooting victim everyday. They’re all victims of Black-on-Black violence! Can’t let cops stop-and-frisk someone who’s been hanging on a known drug corner all day with his pants around his ankles. Now the murder rate is through the roof but the pigs ain’t hasslin’ our YOUNG BLACK MEN (TM), and that’s the important thing. Can’t expel problem students in the schools who assault and beat other students and teachers. It’s racist to hold them to any accountability. Can’t publicize how the Concerned Citizens of Point Breeze would rather have a Black criminal dealing drugs from a vacant lot than a white person planting a community garden. It’s better to live in a crime-infested, garbage-strewn hellhole that looks like a bomb got dropped on it than have a white people in the neighborhood!
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Abagond, Truthbetold, etc.
No. Thank you.
Without you, I wouldn’t have learned a great deal.
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Peanut,
Don’t be naive. Abagond writes in order to MOVE YOU.
The debate is what direction that would be?
Clearly, it is NOT towards black Supremacy.
So where is he moving you towards?
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@thordaddy,
Abagond is moving us away from people like you. So you can sit away in the corner alone. Talking to yourself about radical sexual autonomy. Probably. lol.
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@ Thordaddy, Jay, etc:
This post is about WHITE people not black people.
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@ Jay from Philly
Yet you just did all those things. On a blog run by someone with a presumably fragile black male ego.
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Abagond,
When you write about certain things IT TELLS US certains things about you.
You’ve given us a general outline of the “fragile white ego,” but such thoughts manifest out of the relative truths of a “black” liberationist. So there is something quite self-serving going on. Further, you don’t provide a contrast so as to give those who don’t share your relative truths a chance to fully analyze your critique.
What beliefs does a “fragile white ego” hold?
What beliefs does a “sound white ego” hold?
If a line of thinking is not favorable to the “black” liberationist, does that then indicate a “fragile white ego?”
If a white man declares that he intends to strive towards Supremacy, does it even make sense to suggest he is the owner of a “fragile white ego?”
If a white man declares that he intends to strive towards “equality,” doesn’t this evidence a “fragile white ego?”
I hope this was on-topic enough for you unlike say Herneith’s or Franklin’s “contributions?”
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@ Thordaddy
1. Franklin and Herneith do not try to derail each post to talk about their pet topics.
2. In my experience, the most racist whites seem to be insecure while the least racist whites seem to be much more secure within themselves.
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@ Thordaddy
3. The last paragraph of the post gives you an idea of what a secure white ego is like.
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Lol…
I didn’t expect anything different.
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I don’t know Abagond. Other than pride being one of the seven deadly sins, I fit that third paragraph pretty well and I’m a “white” Supremacist. I believe there is a foundational flaw in your thinking and it starts with your rejection of Absolute Truth.
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@thordaddy..
I read most of this post, as I do from time to time, and I have to say I find most of your contributions puzzling at times. Obviously you have an agenda here. But you really seem to believe you have something of profound intellectual importance to contribute here. Otherwise why would you bother?
So far all I’ve read from you is your pride in defining yourself as a white supremacist and that most Black people here basically hold the same view in reverse (Black supremacist) but are simply in denial. Because after all its natural for man to strive for supremacy?
Thats it!!
Now why would you believe your version of absolute truth is better or superior to anyone’ else s here? If I shared your view (I don’t!) I wouldn’t waste my time on “Black supremacist blogs” like this. But obviously that doesn’t apply to you.
Unless of course your ego is really that fragile to begin with?
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Interesting point you brought up, Kwamla, re if it’s natural for man/people to strive for supremacy.
Which brings me to this question: If a man/people/culture is based on supremacy, would they – upon first contact – be open, hospitable, helpful, giving, trusting, kind and indulgent towards new and strange people arriving in their land or upon their shores??
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@Matari
“Interesting point you brought up, Kwamla, re if it’s natural for man/people to strive for supremacy.
Which brings me to this question: If a man/people/culture is based on supremacy, would they – upon first contact – be open, hospitable, helpful, giving, trusting, kind and indulgent towards new and strange people arriving in their land or upon their shores??”
He does bring up a valid and great view. The natives were welcoming to the strange folks from europe, but to them the natives were seen as barbarians.
Some French and British intermingled and joined in the culture, some did not and instead resisted, destroyed, and imposed their own while disrepecting and raping any women they could.
I don’t believe It’s natural at all for anyone to strive for supremacy.
I would like to see more about this, perhaps the causes (unless abagond has posted about this before).
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I see Jay from Philly didn’t answer my question (big surprise), which helps solidify that he has a fragile ego. And by trying to derail the topic into the fragile egos of black men is very telling.
Again, Jay from Philly. What is your deal? Where did your problem you have with black men come from? Why are you so hung up on black male crime so much? Is what I’ve heard about you is true? Are you doing this to get with black women so much that you are so hung up on black male crime almost all the damn time like it was a fetish?
Jay from Philly, I don’t know if you are able to comprehend or not, but your posts only help prove Abagond’s case, not dispel them. The fragility of your personal ego is evident seeing as how you constantly make it a mission to vilify black men in almost every single response in whatever post is made. And you do this in order to have black women flock to you, if it was truly the case? If not, come on. It’s depressing.
People like Jay and Doug have a serious complex about themselves if they constantly build white people up while putting black people down. Of course, they would both say that what they’re saying is fact, but just like they feel they have a right to say what they think, so do we.
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An excellent observation Matari. This would be a useful question for thordaddy to explore. There already exists plenty of historical documentary evidence on what took place during these first contacts. Some of which “Yawn” has given an indication of.
Perhaps these encounters also speak to the nature of the fragile white ego syndrome.. While the reaction of indigenous peoples towards white European explorers speaks volumes about thordaddy’s unfounded beliefs that its natural for people to strive for supremacy.
In my view those beliefs come straight out of 18th century erroneous Darwinian views.
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@ thordaddy…
You posed this question:
“…What beliefs does a “sound white ego” hold?…”
The only basis for such beliefs would be those with an absolute belief in EQUALITY! But then this is the only sound basis for any ego. Anything else sooner or later turns that ego dysfunctional/fragile as many of your comments have begun to show.
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Kwamla,
I’m sorry, but no man ever really seeks “equality.”
If he were to actually seek something so impossible to obtain it would only be because he became something entirely not-so particular. As in, for ALL OF US to ACTUALLY BE “equal” we would ALL BE REQUIRED TO BE nothing in particular. We would be REQUIRED to become radically autonomous. Unknowable. Unpredictable. Ambiguous.
NOTHING.IN.PARTICULAR.
And YOU MUST USE COERCIVE FORCE to achieve this “equality” as many still possess the instinct to be something QUITE PARTICULAR. A “white” Supremacist is such a particular thing indeed. Particularly, the undisputed enemy of all liberationists.
It is silly to claim that a real man (a very particular thing) seeks “equality” (seeks to be NOTHING IN PARTICULAR).
Again…
In your formulation does Supremacy = degeneracy so that the black Supremacist IS a black degenerate?
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*standing ovation*
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Brothawolf–
This site is almost entirely devoted to Abagond and his supporters building blacks up by putting whites down and blaming them and them alone for all black problems.
Only a small percentage of what’s said here by Abagond and the black and far leftie commenters like Sam is fact, and where there is is highly distorted and out of context fact.
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@ thordaddy
I hope you are going to make time to research Matari’s original question I posted earlier. Then perhaps Neo-Prodigy can give you another standing ovation…?!!!
Your statements seem reminiscent of an Oracle:: “..I’m sorry, but no man ever really seeks “equality….”.
Well I am sorry to say but its YOU who are wrong here. No man (or woman for that matter) ever really seeks equality because they don’t have to! Why would they? Its ingrained…its built in…its a prior.
So the onus is on you show why this is not the case. This is where that historical research, if you could be bothered to it, would come in useful.
But even if I was to accept your belief as some form of absolute truth. Your logic is flawed. How?
You equate equal with sameness. Equal=Sameness. Anyone can see this is flawed reasoning. We can say men and women are equal, as human beings, but they are not the same. We can say a white supremacist is equal to a Black supremacist but would you argue they are the same?
If in your words: “…A “white” Supremacist is such a particular thing indeed
But then so too a Black supremacist…. is a particular thing indeed…. So which came first the particular Black supremacist or the white supremacist? That should answer your question about degeneracy.
Hint: I would do some research carefully before you think of tackling this question.
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@Leigh204
“I do believe this thread is about the fragile white ego; not black people’s.”
That’s what I was talking about. I addressed the reasoning by using it on a different group of people.
@Oh Yeah
“Your missing the point of this post. Blacks don’t *deny* black problems.”
Sure they do. They often blame their situation on racism. Sometimes it makes sense and sometimes it’s just a way to avoid personal responsibility for their own choices.
@Abagond
said to Doug1: “You do know, right, that you have been doing just what the post said you would do?”
So? It doesn’t prove your point. It proves you were able to predict how some people will react to your point.
@Brothawolf
“A. This post is about the fragility of white people when you call them out on their BS. ”
And I showed how the reasoning behind it doesn’t make sense by applying it to a different group of people.
I’ll ignore your points B, C and D because they are not on topic.
“E. Look at how you, Doug, Thordaddy respond to this post, and tell me that if it’s not what is suggested in this blog, what the hell is it then?”
A correct prediction of the response this kind of statements can get.
Let’s assume that I claim that dumb people feel insulted when I call them ‘dumb’. I called somebody ‘dumb’ and they felt insulted. What does that prove? That I was right to call them ‘dumb’? No, it proves that I correctly predicted their response to being called ‘dumb’.
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@ eco
That’s not a proper analogy of the situation. This is:
Man A: Fire will burn you!
Man B: No, it won’t! You’re crazy. (Says this while sticking his hand in a flame causing his flesh to char and smolder.)
Man A: You know you’re on fire right?
Man B: No, I’m not. That’s just my cigarette!
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@SomeGuy
No. Your original statement (“fire will burn you!”) is a fact while Abagond and my example use opinions. In my case it’s that the people who I consider dumb are dumb. In Abagond’s case it’s the idea that people who he thinks have a personality disorder actually have it. Instead of analyzing the statements both I and Abagond assume they are true and try to predict how people will react to them. The fact that we can predict the reactions to the statements doesn’t validate the statements.
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@ eco
I am just amazed at how the post goes over his head, doing just what it says without any apparent sense of irony. I am not even sure he passes the Turing Test for human intelligence.
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Doug1
This site is almost entirely devoted to Abagond and his supporters building blacks up by putting whites down and blaming them and them alone for all black problems.
Only a small percentage of what’s said here by Abagond and the black and far leftie commenters like Sam is fact, and where there is is highly distorted and out of context fact.
So what’s the point in you coming here?
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Also Doug,
You haven’t argued the point I made about people like you having a serious complex. If you were CONTENT with yourself, you wouldn’t bother coming here in the first place with your white inventors, black inferiority and anti-left view.
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@ Abagond
“I am just amazed at how the post goes over his head and does just what it says without any apparent sense of irony. I am not even sure he passes the Turing Test for human intelligence.”
hmm… If he changed his behavior, wouldn’t that mean he secretly agrees with you? Agrees with the idea, that saying certain things is wrong or a symptom of a personality disorder? He is disagreeing so he is ignoring your guidelines.
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@ eco
No. Abagond’s statements are observations and inferences from those observations. So, you are only partially correct. My former statement would be incorrect if Abagond stated pure conjecture, which is not the case. The behaviors listed in this post are objectively observable by anyone of any race. What interpretation you accept in the real issue. In this case, fire does indeed burn and prediction has nothing to do with it.
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I agree with SomeGuy: This post is based on patterns of behaviour I have observed among whites and from what I know about abusive, narcissistic people.
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@SomeGuy
“No. Abagond’s statements are observations and inferences from those observations. So, you are only partially correct. My former statement would be incorrect if Abagond stated pure conjecture, which is not the case. The behaviors listed in this post are objectively observable by anyone of any race. What interpretation you accept in the real issue. In this case, fire does indeed burn and prediction has nothing to do with it.”
An opinion based on facts is still an opinion. Abagond’s world view is not objectively logical and true. The fact, that fire can hurt you, is.
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@doug:
“This site is almost entirely devoted to Abagond and his supporters building blacks up by putting whites down and blaming them and them alone for all black problems.
Only a small percentage of what’s said here by Abagond and the black and far leftie commenters like Sam is fact, and where there is is highly distorted and out of context fact.”
Firstly, as a matter of fact, abagond has deleted some of my comments here but unlike some other white commenters I do not whine about that. It is his blog. There has been issues and threads were I have not agreed with him or others here. But you might have missed those occasions.
Secondly, I am not a far leftie, socialist or communist. I am a humanist. From your political point of view that may look like extreme leftist as fascism is in the opposite end of the ideological spectrum.
Thirdly, it may look from your view point that those facts are distorted since they do not match with your fantastic ideas of reality or facts.
@eco:
“An opinion based on facts is still an opinion. Abagond’s world view is not objectively logical and true. The fact, that fire can hurt you, is.”
Following your own logic, fire does not have to hurt. It is just a matter of opinion based on facts.
Also do you know any truth that is objectiv? If you do, you must be really simple and also quite lost. Your world view is subjective too. The question is this: which one reflects the reality more.
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@sam
Haven’t I already told you I do not want to talk to you? In my opinion you represent the intellectual level of a 13-year-old and I really do not enjoy discussing things with you.
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@ Sam
FWIW your intellectual insights and observations are far keener, and thus more valuable than the “really simple and also quite lost” whiny, over privileged/over bearing, 13-year-old accuser.
Keep doing what you’re doing, man – sharing knowledge and dispelling myths.
Say what you gotta say, regardless of who enjoys discussing things with you!
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@ eco
I will simply say that I disagree with you. There is a distinct difference between an inference gained from observation and an “opinion”.
An opinion is primarily a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. An inference is the process of arriving at some conclusion that, though it is not logically derivable from the assumed premises, possesses some degree of probability relative to the premises.
Both are not quite solid as facts. However, one is arguably more based in objectivity than the other. That slight difference is vital.
But this entire discussion is still the “splitting of hairs” and is really moving away from the true topic at hand.
Why is it I’m always debating semantics with posters here?
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brothawolf–
To provide contrary arguments and facts, to somewhat offset the utter black fantasy land that this place mostly is.
I like intellectual argument. I like engaging those opposed sometimes. I don’t want to always hang out with an amen chorus. I don’t go to many sites like this one; actually this is the only one at the moment like this. I used to engage Obsidian in various places. I agreed with him on some things. He isn’t as lala land as Abagond on inverse black reality. Somewhat but not as much.
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Sam–
You may be a “humanist”. I consider myself one too. As to the first two, rubbish. Well you may not believe in a DICTATORSHIP of the proletariat, but your views seem quite consistent with something quite similar to that to me. Lefty elites overriding popular white majority views in Euro and offshoot countries.
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Sam–
There’s nothing fantastic about them. Especially with regards to history, my views are generally the same as the left of center but not far far left consensus today. Yours are far far lefty, endlessly whites blaming, believing that all racial groups have equal intelligence and other abilities (west African blacks on average excelling whites in some).
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Abagond–
Yeah over my head right. As if.
The whole post was an exercise of logical absurdities that I can’t be bothered to disentangle. It was basically designed as a trap where any white person criticising blacks, favorably comparing whites to blacks, or defending against factually wrong vast exaggerations of white wrong doing, or failing to put them in the historical context of other peoples, automatically had to have this totally FAUX, made up, “fragile-white-ego-syndrome”.
Just totally a false shielding attempt, from such non PC truth tellers as myself.
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@ doug
I don’t really think you are going to get any more comments directed your way. Most people here are basically done with you.
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@ Doug1
If you do not have a fragile ego then why in the world do you seek intellectual argument on a black fantasy website frequented by low-IQ people?
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Just totally a false shielding attempt, from such non PC truth tellers as myself.
You are delusional
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Abagond said to Doug:
“If you do not have a fragile ego then why in the world do you seek intellectual argument on a black fantasy website frequented by low-IQ people?”
Because somethings we’re saying keep on hitting a raw nerve.
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Because somethings we’re saying keep on hitting a raw nerve.
That would explain why he loses his cool and calls people “poser”. Haha!
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If you do not have a fragile ego then why in the world do you seek intellectual argument on a black fantasy website frequented by low-IQ people?
Abagond,
I thought intellectual people seek an intellectual platform with intellectual people. If Doug thinks the people here have low I.Q.s why bother with them? I mean there are more important ways he could use his brain power instead of wasting it on low I.Q. people like us.
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Truthbetold,
Because somethings we’re saying keep on hitting a raw nerve.
I suppose Doug likes to have that raw nerve hit over and over again.
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Abagond,
Don’t act foolish.
You provide the “fuel” to the black undertow “fire.”
You are an enemy of GENUINE “white” Supremacy BECAUSE you fear the pressure of having to be a black Supremacist just as the radical white liberal fears “white” Supremacy and the bar it sets.
The “fragile white ego” IS PARTICULAR to a certain type of white person who holds a certain type of fundamental belief.
In your Alice-in-Wonderland silliness, a white man who strives towards Supremacy has a “fragile white ego.”
And yet you remain TOTALLY OBLIVIOUS to the FACT that this supreme display of irrationality provokes strong pushback.
Radical autonomy.
You can’t be this detached? You must be more diabolical?
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@ thordaddy
The fragility of your dysfunctional supremacist ego is clearly surfacing in the obtuse nonsense you’ve just posted above.
You don’t see it. So its probably worth pointing out to you:
“… You are YOUR OWN enemy of FALSE “white” Supremacy BECAUSE you fear the pressure of having to be white and inferior just as the radical white liberal fears “genuine equality” and the bar it sets….”
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Kwamla,
I really can’t understand you. Sorry.
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Kwamla,
Like so many other “men” these days, you’re more like Madonna. You’re “a material girl living in a material world.” All your truths are relative. Which is to say, all your relative truths mist be grounded in an Absolute Truth to be given any kind of consideration.
And so what is the Absolute Truth that legitimates all your relative truths?
Supremacy = degeneracy.
You are an anti-Supremacist.
This is your first principle.
Now… Why in the world would you think that this TOTAL FALSEHOOD and belief in degeneracy (what you call “equality”) would provoke no pushback?
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^^^ “truths [must] be grounded…”
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@ thordaddy
The difference between us thordaddy is that I do understand YOU!
Allow me to explain where I think that dysfunctionality is creeping in. Re-examine one of your last statements:
,“…all your relative truths mist be grounded in an Absolute Truth to be given any kind of consideration…”
This is the whole basis of your being. You believe, quite erroneously I have to say, that you have discovered an ABSOLUTE truth – SUPREMACY – but its not! Its RELATIVE!
This forms the whole basis of all your arguments and, as I’ve repeatedly told you, its FLAWED! Surely you can understand this now? If what you consider to be “grounded” is in fact, just arbitrary, just relative…then most of what you’ve built on this falsehood begins to crumble. – And this is precisely the false ego syndrome that Abagond’s post speaks to.
For your information…a belief in the equality of all things is nearer to an absolute truth than a belief in the supremacy of one thing over another. The latter is an illusion and what creates your ego’s dysfunctionality.
Have another look at my revised statement of yours and tell me again you don’t understand it:
“… You are YOUR OWN enemy of FALSE “white” Supremacy BECAUSE you fear the pressure of having to be white and inferior just as the radical white liberal fears “genuine equality” and the bar it sets….”
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Kwamla,
I’m sorry but I said I strive towards Supremacy, not that I have “found” it. Such a monumental undertaking is really a life-time work-in-progress. But the light at the end of the tunnel burns so bright. And to claim that striving towards Supremacy is evidence of dysfunctionality is just nonsensical.
Further, “your” perception (as in the average POC’s observation) pegs me “white supremacist,” but not in the silly media’s false characterization of the “white” Supremacist.
Overtime, I began to see the nexus between your “truthful” perception and its self-serving pejorative interpretation.
You deny Supremacy, absolutely.
I do not. I believe there is both a logical necessity for and empirical evidence of Supremacy that would suffice those confined to strictly material world such as yourself.
Therefore, I am compelled to strive towards Supremacy.
Now… This offends you BECAUSE I am a white man and therefore it makes me a “white” Supremacist.
This offends you.
You don’t think I should get to strive towards Supremacy BUT REALLY…
You don’t want to HAVE TO BE a black Supremacist. You don’t want to have to strive towards Supremacy.
You want to be “equal.”
No, no…
You ARE “equal.” It’s so obvious.
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“Lefty elites overriding popular white majority views in Euro and offshoot countries.”
This getting seriously funnier, considering the right wing politicians who are at helm of EU in general!
“Haven’t I already told you I do not want to talk to you?”
Right on the topic! That is fine eco. I can talk to you.
@matari: I will. I guess these kids get nervous when a really pure white european does not agree with them, which is funny as they claim to speak for all the whites and represent the wahite master race! 😀 I guess that is why the Lefty card is so much swinging around these days.
It seems that some whites really do have seriously fragile egos after all…
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@ thordaddy
I’m sorry but I said I strive towards Supremacy, not that I have “found” it.
Oh I see… So you are striving towards this goal of Supremacy but have not found it yet? So the obvious question for you to answer is what is stopping you from reaching or finding it?
Further,,,If you are striving towards Supremacy but admit, in your words, .. the light is still at the end of the tunnel. Then where are you now? Presently?, Currently?
Do you actually believe in equality (default position) but are still striving to find something better, something else? That something being: Supremacy?
Again. Entertaining and maintaining this falsehood of Supremacy is where you go dysfunctional and keep breaking down!
Why have you not done your research as I requested and suggested of you several comments ago? Where is this evidence you speak of?
And…contrary to how you may wish to portray me here. I take no offense from your persistence in striving towards your elusive “Supremacy”. Why should I?
If I truly believe in equality then it would mean if you should find this holy grail of Supremacy it would imply that I too must be Supreme in some unknown form as well! So whats to be offended about that? lol!!!
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@Matari
“FWIW your intellectual insights and observations are far keener, and thus more valuable than the “really simple and also quite lost” whiny, over privileged/over bearing, 13-year-old accuser. ”
-said the guy who can’t define ‘racism’ to the guy who doesn’t understand what ‘preference’ means.
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“-said the guy who can’t define ‘racism’ to the guy who doesn’t understand what ‘preference’ means.”
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@ Eco
I assure you that I can and have defined racist and racism here many times.
In fact, those definitions are by no means unique and are a commonly held belief by many PoC and (clued in) whites.
Perhaps if you were to spend more of your time here “reading” as opposed to contending with everything said that doesn’t fit your “white racial frame” and picking at nits, you might have already found said definition(s).
Please know that I’m not here to hold YOUR hand – or acquiesce to your whims and expectations on demand as if I were your servant. Especially not with your attitude.
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@Matari
“I assure you that I can and have defined racist and racism here many times.”
The simplest way to show that I am making stuff up is to provide the definition and links to examples of comments in which you defined ‘racism’ in an identical way. Of course, you cannot do that because you do not use a precise definition. What you do have is a vague set of ideas and opinions about ‘racism’ and what is ‘racist’ and what isn’t.
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It seems that’s all Thordaddy thinks about. Supremacy. I wouldn’t be surprised if he sees that word millions of times in his sleep.
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Doug,
I like intellectual argument. I like engaging those opposed sometimes. I don’t want to always hang out with an amen chorus. I don’t go to many sites like this one; actually this is the only one at the moment like this. I used to engage Obsidian in various places. I agreed with him on some things. He isn’t as lala land as Abagond on inverse black reality. Somewhat but not as much.
First off, you like intellectual arguments only if you think you’ll win.
Second, why would you engage in intellectual arguments with people you consider as having low I.Q.s? Maybe because you think you can win?
Third, What could you possibly know about black reality period? How could you possibly know what it’s like to be black? Yet, you parade in here as if you know black people more than black people. That’s one of the ultimate testaments to your white racist mindset.
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@ brothawolf:
Regarding thordaddy…LOL!!!
Regarding Doug1,
Doug is that kind of white man who is filled with self doubt.
Doubt of his own intellect, his reasonings and, yes, even his racism. Yes, white people doubt their racist beliefs when they encounter intelligent blacks. It comes out in the form of anxiety.
He spews the same rubbish over and over again almost as if to prove to himself that he’s telling the truth.
Doug isn’t accustomed to blacks who fight back, who tell him to shove it, who knows more than he does and isn’t afraid to say it bluntly.
Doug is the worst kind of white man.
A weak minded one.
His pseudo intelligence is all he has to claim in this world.
He will never learn anything because to him, he already knows everything.
Especially about black people.
Especially about black relations.
Do I detect envy, Dougie?
You know, as a group, we’ve come a long way with many more long ways to go. But I’m proud of us. All of us, as people of colour.
Doug isn’t proud of himself.
He NEEDS to keep telling himself how low down and filthy we are, how savage, how dumb, how miserable we’d be without him.
Bring in the White Saviour Complex.
This is nothing but low self esteem…manifested into this false sense of superiority.
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How has Doug “contributed” to “civilization”? Besides worthless comments and hate speech on an internet blog?
He has provided ceaseless hilarity!
1. Franklin and Herneith do not try to derail each post to talk about their pet topics.
Your right. I would prefer to discuss handbags, footwear, clothes, Belgian chocolate, software etc., but you do-not find me derailing topics with goofy suppositions in a serious vein. I mock these goofy posts, but in doing so I stay on topic for the most part. When I go overboard, Abagond deletes my comments. But it is his blog so he can do what he wants with it.
I see Jay from Philly didn’t answer my question (big surprise), which helps solidify that he has a fragile ego.
He isn’t going to. He prefers to bring up those shibboleths about crime, living in the ‘ghetto’, and other nonsense than to make a substantive contribution to the discussion. But then again his feelings are hurt. This guy sounds like a broken record.
You may be a “humanist”. I consider myself one too.
Did you type that with a serious face?
I really can’t understand you. Sorry.
That is hilarious! He throws your ‘philosophy’ back in your face and you don’t get it!
And to claim that striving towards Supremacy is evidence of dysfunctionality is just nonsensical.
No it isn’t. In order to strive towards ‘supremacy’, you have to have a feeling of inferiority. So in effect, you really have an inferiority complex. Clinging to ‘whiteness’ and its’ supposed ‘superiority’ is a manifestation of this.
This offends you.
No it doesn’t.
You don’t think I should get to strive towards Supremacy BUT REALLY…
You can do whatever turns you on! Obviously posting ‘philosophical’ ramblings about ‘white supremacy does. This makes you a self- sexualizer and a self-annihilator all rolled into one. You don’t know if you are coming or going!
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@ brothawolf,
I don’t chase any women. I mentioned on this very thread that I’m a married man, but Abagond deleted my post.
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Kwamla,
Sorry man, but no research is needed to accept the fact that Supremacy = Supremacy.
Do I need to provide you research to substantiate 1 = 1 or hot = hot?
On the other hand you “believe” that Supremacy = degeneracy. That’s like saying hot = cold or good = evil. Now, I’m not sure there is any “research” that you have at your disposal to bolster this belief of yours, but thankfully for you, I don’t require it.
Truth be told, I don’t really think you know anything about the AMERICAN black male and HIS FUNDAMENTAL TRAIT.
The American black male has spent the last 450 years attempting to “liberate” from “white supremacy.” One of the manners in which blacks sought this “liberation” was to “equate” Supremacy with degeneracy SO THAT “white supremacy” = “white degeneracy.” Thus getting whites to simply submit because they didn’t want to be seen as “degenerate.”
The real effect is that WE ARE ALL now in descent EXCEPT those that refuse the first law of “liberation” and instead choose to ascend.
You can yell “dysfunction” all day long, but by your own laws of “liberation,” you would actually be accusing me of “fully functioning.”
Herneith… Lol… You go ahead and “say whatever the HELL [you] want.”
Brothawolf,
With you? It’s like getting on the gridiron with a litte girl. You don’t belong on my playing field and I’ve lost the desire to be on yours.
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Jay from Philly,
I don’t chase any women. I mentioned on this very thread that I’m a married man, but Abagond deleted my post.
Maybe it’s deleted because it had nothing to do with the topic given. In any case it’s more than clear that you have a serious problem with us brothas. It seems so prominent that you see nothing positive with us. There could be explanations behind it that relate to this topic.
Thordaddy,
What do you mean “with me?”
All I know is that you have an obsession with the issue of supremacy, yours and that of blacks, and a disdain for liberalism. That’s all you talk about possibly because that’s all you know.
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The thing that I’ve found most shocking to all racists is when they discover that people who have a different skin color are actually NORMAL. That is a big shocker. It is because the racism is based on racial stereotypes and nothing else, as we have seen here many times, and when they discover, usually by accident, that the Other is actually just like anyone else.
“Darn, did you see that guy? He just ate his lunch, washed his hands and went back to work, goddammit!”.
“That woman was actually buying toilet paper and potatoes and mincemeat, I’ll be damn.”
“Did you see that guy over there? He actually works there as a supervisor.”
“That woman was complainin ’bout the taxes too! How about that!”
One of the funniest incidents I’ve witnessed years and years ago was in airport when the fly crew walked pass the passangers. One older white guy looked at them for a long time and then, after a long silence turned to his wife and said in very low voice: “I think the black guy is the captain!” A real shocker!!
In one documentary (forgot the name but it was done in the 90’s) a daughter of a southern family was marrying a black busines man. The father and mother of the bride were a bit apprehensive but got along but the grand pa was having none of it. He was really old school racist. He talked openly how he had been in the Klan when he was young and all that, how proud he was about being white man, how he hated blacks etc. He would have nothing to do with “blacks”, even if they were his granddaughters children.
During the wedding process, planning and such, he had to meet the Other folks from time to time. He had to pick up stuff, pick up the grand mother of the black family and drive her around, which was almost hilarious to see. At first he was puzzled. Then he was angry. Then he became suspicious. Then he started to wonder about his own ideas. Then he broke down.
That old guy had been conditioned to be a racist all his life, to hate, to be violent. But when the black family was just like any other normal average family, actually more functional and normal than his own, the old guy just broke down when he realized he had been carrying racism in him for no other reason than being brought up to it.
“I never knew that blacks were like this, that they were decent folks” the poor old guy repeated again and again. When, at the heat of the wedding frenzy, there was a loud arguing going on, the old guy said to the black son in law: “Sounds just like my wife did all those years ago”.
Racism was broken by normalcy. Boring, mundane, every day normalcy broke it. That is how fragile it sometimes is.
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Brothawolf,
You can’t be serious?
Everytime I turn around some “POC” is shrieking “racist.” Meaning, everytime I turn around some “POC” is shrieking “white supremacist.” Meaning, everytime I turn around some “POC” is shrieking his obsession with Supremacy AND HIS utter fear and hatred of it.
Young brothawolf… You don’t need to be scared anymore. You don’t have to fear. All you have to do is accept.
Supremacy = Supremacy in a well-ordered, rational and logical world.
Go be a black Supremacist and be more free than you ever imagined. Heck, you will even separate yourself from the white and black degenerate alike.
It truly is a win, win.
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@ Brothawolf,
For some reason thordaddy thinks you’re an easy target for his supremacy ramblings. I can’t imagine why? Your “on-point” analysis of Doug’s commenting shows its thordday who really needs to be scared of you!
@ Herneith
LOL!!! Yours are witty and comical observations often beyond the comprehension of intellectually challenged fragile egos regularly posting here. But at least you present them with opportunity of striving towards meeting that challenge!
@ truthbetold
Lets pray that Doug and thordday can take to “heart” these words at least in your last comment:
“…This is nothing but low self esteem…manifested into this false sense of superiority…”
It sounds like it was spoken with deep insight, love and kindness!!!
@ Sam
A brilliant and beautiful anecdote in the story you just related.
I was just trying to work out who that central older white character reminded me of…hmmm… Perhaps I’ll go back and read it again and see if any particular person posting here comes to mind…I am sure he sounds familiar. ..!!!
@ thordaddy
I really can’t understand you. Sorry.!!!
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Kwamla,
I know…
It’s because you think Supremacy = degeneracy and I think Supremacy = Supremacy.
It should now be readily apparent why we talk right past each other.
Who is actually “right” though?
Then again, how can you even believe in “right?”
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@ Kwamla,
Please do not engage him.
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How exactly can Kwamla engage me?
Truth be told, the black woman LOVES the black Supremacist and that’s why there are so many “angry black females.”
There are LITERALLY no black Supremacists
to be found ANYWHERE.
So how does Supremacy = degeneracy unless the black WOMAN loves the black degenerate?
Truth be told…
{{crickets}}
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I’m just waiting for the first black woman on this blog to declare:
“I don’t love the black Supremacist, he’s an icky and repulsive thing.”
Lol… Truth be told…
Not.a.chance.in.hell.
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^^ I keep on forgetting how insane you truly are.
Double your meds.
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Truth be told…(Yes that was a pun!) I have already engaged with thordaddy and found him wanting in his ideas and beliefs. And now that seems to apply to his own sense of humour when I repeated his own sentence phrase back to him:
“…I really can’t understand you. Sorry. …”Lol!!!
Yet another sign of how rapidly dysfunctional and fragile that ego has become. All because, paraphrased using your own words thordaddy:
“… You are YOUR OWN enemy of FALSE “white” Supremacy BECAUSE you fear the pressure of having to be white and inferior just as the radical white liberal fears “genuine equality” and the bar it sets….”
There really isn’t anything more I can add here…
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Is this something you thought of? Or did you use some sources which document white ego syndrome?
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@ RBB85
It is something I thought of.
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Wonderful post. Thank you Abagond.
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You know why I love being a race realist instead of joining the ranks of racial egalitarians like all of the white posters here? Because to prove my beliefs, I can actively seek out safe white communities to raise my family and not have to lie to myself that I’m not doing it to simply avoid the black undertow. I can also actively pressure my children to avoid Hispanic or Africans marital partners because I won’t have to lie to myself on why they would make less preferable mates.
For all the whites who are so egalitarian here, what life choices would you have to undertake in order to prove your beliefs? If blacks are so equal to whites in criminal tendencies, and the statistics of their criminality only based on a racist system, then that would mean inner city Detroit or St. Louis would be a prime location to move you and your white family.
So why don’t you? Why do you prefer the same neighborhoods and schools that I myself do? Why do you send your children to predominately Asian and White schools like I do? In these black communities the home values are cheaper and the community is made up of those high moral, low criminal blacks persevering against white privilege and racism that you so adore. When you move there, I have no doubt those blacks will know that you’re the “right-sort” of white people, and will avoid robbing, raping, or shooting you and your family.
Yet you don’t move there, and all your words mean nothing in your constant hypocrisy when you awake everyday in your safe, lily-white neighborhoods.
So yes, I guess I am projecting (as ad hom and psychological attacks are very prevalent amongst you anti-racists.) I’m projecting my inherit fear of unsafe communities for me and my family. I’m taking advantage of my white privilege in that I have the privilege of living in white communities that just seem to be inherently better than their black counterparts.
So when are you going to take after your beloved Martin Luther King and judge by the content of one’s character? How long will consistent black underachievement be excused by this boogeyman of white racism/privilege?
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Well Henry, how about you stop trying to excuse your own inaccurate and base fears and assumptions by using those so called “statistics” (ooh Detroit! great example! Too bad those aren’t the only black communities that existed, too bad you only named the “troubled ones”…typical). and grow up and stop crippling your children by making them think like you do.
All the white communities I’ve lived in were drug ridden, poor, and uneducated, and every person of color who lived there (usually due to being stationed by the military) were a lot more better off. I suppose that gives me the right to say that exact same thing. But then…I know better than that.
Black underachievement is not a “consistent thing”, you just choose to pretend it is because people like you need to feel superior for being mediocre. So let’s ignore all of the black achievement in the world because of your own little insecurities. Your not a race realist, your just a racist and nothing better.
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@ Henry
You are so right!!!! All black people live in poor, violent ghettos just like on tee-vee! Because the people on tee-vee are truth tellers!
In my younger days I used to hide behind a bush in the middle of the night waiting for white people to walk by so I could jump out and rob, rape and/or shoot them – depending on which crime statistic was low that week. I could not help myself. I was born with criminal tendencies. It is a genetic disease. There is nothing the doctors can do for me. Imprisonment and police brutality are the only known treatments.
I am getting too old for that stuff now – it is hard for me to stay up that late any more – but the police still stop me in white neighbourhoods. They have that sixth sense, you know. They can just tell by looking at me what a savage beast I am. Damn, they’re good! Maybe it is part of their training.
*end of sarcasm*
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@ Henry
Your argument is laughably weak. You are basically asking White people why don’t they move their families to impoverished areas in order to thrive. How silly is that? There are plenty of Black neighborhoods in upper state New York, where Black people live like most other middle class American live. But asking people who are middle class Whites why don’t they move to ghettos reflects your lack of empathy to the topic at hand. Please, think before your write.
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@ Henry
WOW.
Thanks for the honesty. Finally, a white racist who just tells us what he believes!!!
Yeeeeesssssss!!!!!
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@ Henry
There are plenty of black middle-class neighbourhoods. Apparently you have never seen one. Some of them look just like a white suburb only they have black people instead of white people. New York, DC and Atlanta have them, I know.
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@Henry:
“I’m taking advantage of my white privilege in that I have the privilege of living in white communities that just seem to be inherently better than their black counterparts.”
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No worries, Hank. In case you haven’t noticed, the demographics of this country are changing rapidly. We’ll be living in your lilly-white neighborhood before you know what hit you. (Pardon the pun). You can run but you can’t hide.
Years ago in my city, whites got a case of “white flight,” and moved to the ‘burbs – only to find us moving there in droves. Whites then moved back into town to get away. They called this the “gentrification” of the downtown area. Guess what, we moved back there, too! Now whites are moving so far out in the ‘burbs that they’re almost straddling the state lines of neigboring states! It won’t be long now, Hank. We’re right behind you, neighbor! 🙂
BTW, if you think we can’t afford to live in your “safe, white communities,” think again. **laughing maniacally**
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For all the whites who are so egalitarian here, what life choices would you have to undertake in order to prove your beliefs? If blacks are so equal to whites in criminal tendencies, and the statistics of their criminality only based on a racist system, then that would mean inner city Detroit or St. Louis would be a prime location to move you and your white family.
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What are you doing to make your life better by criticizing others? Do you think that people fit into these narrow categories that you are offering? Do you really believe that people become a way short of a context from which they come? Why do you think you are any more divorced from your context than they are? You are able to get a leg up and be in your gated communities because others gave you a chance to succeed. Some people have never been given the chance to succeed because of the system in which they were born.
This is not a statement about Blacks. This is a statement about Henry being delusional. This is me arguing with a flawed premise (i.e. that Blacks are less civil than Whites). This is me giving him more credit than he deserves. This means i have to step into an alternative universe for the duration of this post.
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It’s so obvious that the only black people Hank “knows” are the ones he sees on the six ‘clock news. It’s also obviously that he doesn’t get out much.
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Let’s see the refutations of my post:
”, because people like you need to feel superior for being mediocre”
Yet again, you anti-racists consistently jump upon the projection/insecurities argument. The average white person will spend half their income just to avoid the black community, motivated by both their own experiences with blacks and the factual proof that those communities are statistically violent and unsafe. They’re not driven by some ridiculous concept of inflating their racial ego (unlike blacks where blackness is the default religion), but by reasonable experiences on how to live a better life (which means avoiding the blacks in general).
There are three kinds of white people: Ones like me who admit what we all know and speak openly of why we avoid these places. Then the majority of whites who are merely afraid of the racist “thought-crime” label in the United States, but participate in white flight like the rest of them, and then the worst of the disingenuous liberals who sanctimoniously decry “white-racism” while bending over backwards to live in whitopias like Pittsburg or Portland.
“You are basically asking White people why don’t they move their families to impoverished areas in order to thrive.”
Uh, no. I’m basically asking “color-blind” white liberals who always love to brag about having “lots of black friends” to live by their own hypocritical creed and get outta the burbs and into those impoverished minority communities they believe are so repressed and underfunded. They’d bring in money, their enlightened ideologies and diversity to these all black communities. (Perhaps blacks, THE MOST HOMOPHOBIC GROUP IN AMERICA, won’t kill their gay son if they have one). Also, since black criminality is a myth perpetrated by a racist justice system, they have no reason to fear for their safety.
“All the white communities I’ve lived in were drug ridden, poor, and uneducated”
You’re anecdotal evidence is completely irrelevant in the light of the mammoth amount of factual evidence that blacks are simply more criminal. This line y’all constantly use that “whites commit crimes too!” is also unconvincing, as if all race-realists run around saying whites are some kind of mythical creatures of absolute purity. Some of you believe black criminality is a myth perpetrated by a racist government. Some believe it’s a cultural holdover from a racist past. I believe that Africans, in aggregate, are simply more prone to criminality on a genetic level. Most whites believe it, but most won’t admit it. I can’t blame them for their nature, but you can’t blame me for looking out for the welfare of myself and my family.
I grew up in Atlanta, (the supposed city too busy to hate) and have had experience with both poor blacks and middle-class blacks. Both were worse than their white counter-parts (middle-class blacks are more likely to commit crime than middle-class whites, middle-class black children consistently do worse on the SAT than lower class whites.) I did contracting work in my younger years for these middle-class blacks, and was always amazed by their general rudeness and their prevalence to be employed by the state or city (would there be a substantial black middle-class without affirmative-action government employment? I highly doubt it).
I now live with my family in rural eastern Kentucky. White criminality is a serious problem here along with meth use and poverty (I’ve had multiple encroachments by boys from the more troublesome families on my property). However, I wouldn’t trade this place for a million dollars if it required me to set up shop in black areas like Highland Park in Detroit, Clayton County in Georgia, East St. Louis, or Spanish Lakes Missouri. Why do y’all hate me for using the truth to enrich my life and protect both me and my family?
“Ooh Detroit! Great example! Too bad those aren’t the only black communities that existed, too bad you only named the “troubled ones”…typical”
Please, name majority black communities run by blacks that are safe, preferable places to live comparable to a white or Asian community. I’d honestly like to know. Name them and I’ll study them, and hopefully be given hope that not all is lost once blacks take the reins of a community. (Be it Africa, the favelas of Brazil, the ghettos of America, the Afro-Caribbean community in Tottingham, Haiti………..)
“There are plenty of black middle-class neighborhoods. Apparently you have never seen one. Some of them look just like a white suburb only they have black people instead of white people. New York, DC and Atlanta have them.”
I find this interesting that you attempt to refute me using the existence of middle and upper class black neighborhoods (as if I said such things don’t exist). Brain and money draining from the black community is vastly worse than any other ethnic groups in the United States. The civil rights movement? Just a victory for middle-class blacks, who gained the opportunity to move out of those black undertow hellholes.
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@ Henry
How odd that a man who indoctrinates his children into the system of racism, is telling us that WE are uncivilized!
Hahahahaha!!
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@henry:
The big difference between me and you is that you are scared. It is ok. Some people are cowards and have all kinds of scares. Some believe what they see on tv, other believe in zombies and father christmas too. Or flat earth.
When I lived in USA I lived on a house that had blacks and foreigners and whites living in it. When one black guy attacked a white woman near our building guess who saved the woman? Yeap. The black guy who lived next to my apartment. Not a single white american was no where to be seen. It was after all at night and white americans were too scared to come out. Even the cops who came to the scene were black. Yes, black american cops and one black dude saved the white nurse. How that fits into your ideas? Well, it does not because it was not tv. It was real life.
I was the only white guy around and even I was too late to do anything. But then again, I am not a white american.
As for where I live now, just recently couple guys killed two other guys and chopped them up and put them into couple plastic bags and dumped them on the road side. Both the perps and the victims were lily white, criminals. In the park right next to my house, one nice spring evening one 16 yrs old kid stabbed a man nine times with a fileing knife just because the man came looking for his own son and this other kid did not want his friend to go home. Oh yes, they were all lily white.
Just few days a go in a lily white town a young woman was raped in the middle of the town, litterally, and yes, the rapist was lily white.
Just few weeks ago one guy walked into a pizza place and opened fire with a gun and then shot himself. Yeap. That guy was lily white.
You see?
“I can also actively pressure my children to avoid Hispanic or Africans marital partners.”
Really? You choose? Just like the taleban and some other extremists do?
“Why do you prefer the same neighborhoods and schools that I myself do? Why do you send your children to predominately Asian and White schools like I do?”
I don’t.
“When you move there, I have no doubt those blacks will know that you’re the “right-sort” of white people, and will avoid robbing, raping, or shooting you and your family.”
I lived there and never had no problems with any of my black neighbours. I did not have any problems with any other blacks in the whole nieghbourhood. Isn’t that odd, henry??
“So when are you going to take after your beloved Martin Luther King and judge by the content of one’s character?”
Ok, will do. I was going to keep this on a professional level but since you ask: you must be real ignoramous. Just based on the character that comes out from you words.
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I’m taking advantage of my white privilege in that I have the privilege of living in white communities that just seem to be inherently better than their black counterparts.
I guess you’ve never been to a BINGO hall with trashy white people threatening to shoot each other over troll dolls and lucky tables. They sure as he__ don’t live in pristine neighbourhoods! How about the white clowns lying in wait to rob you of your Bingo winnings eh?
How long will consistent black underachievement be excused by this boogeyman of white racism/privilege?
As long as it takes to get rid of the sucker Henry.
Detroit or St. Louis would be a prime location to move you and your white family.
Ever hear of gentrification Henry? That is what is happening at least in Detroit. ‘Artists’ are buying in these neighbourhoods and setting up little art colonies! I was even thinking of buying a house there so I could shop at the wholesale outlets! Henry, I’m getting all excited about shopping now!
I am getting too old for that stuff now
Feet do your duty! Henry, I love robbing and beating people in my spare time, it helps to pass time. When I’m feeling relaxed, I sit on a stoop(who cares whose it is), drinking corn liquor, strumming on a banjo and singing Stephen Foster ‘classics’,’Compton Races’ is my favourite, until the cops come!
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Henry, Henry Henry,
So when are you going to take after your beloved Martin Luther King and judge by the content of one’s character? How long will consistent black underachievement be excused by this boogeyman of white racism/privilege?
This is coming from a man who says that he loves being a race-realist.
Here’s what trips me out. White folks like you LOVE to bring up that one and only line from MLK’s speech as an argument, but they don’t even practice it themselves. It is clearly evidenced within your comments that you see black people as criminals. So, don’t tell us that old “content of character” line when you don’t even know what the hell it means.
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For being a part of a so-called race that has committed countless crimes against humanity globally ( AND DOCUMENTED IN “HISTORY” BOOKS), I think you are chucking bricks in glass house, my friend. Oh, but when Whites commit crimes, it’s justified, right? I forgot.
Please, I know plenty of White people and Whites are just as aggressive and larcenous as anyone else. I can’t tell you how many White knuckleheads I’ve seen fighting in bars, urinating is streets, stealing from shopping malls and attempting to date rape their women and so forth. I didn’t read this is a book or some scientific journal. I’VE SEEN IN WITH MY OWN EYES.
Scotland is just as White as can be and their stabbing crimes are out of control and most of Eastern Europe is a mess awashed with rampant prostitution, alcohol abuse and violence. What world are you living in, Henry? Lala land? Get real.
What you need to do is aggregate some knowledge on the things you are speaking about.
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What you need to do is aggregate some knowledge on the things you are speaking about.””
@ SomeGuy
“Beware the man of one book.”
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Homo unius libri, indeed. 🙂
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@ Henry
Hey, Hank, have you met Doug yet?
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Do whites hear other whites spew this nonsense and think, ” Oh my God. This guy, to the black race, is a representation of us all?”
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Homo unius libri, indeed. “”
@ SomeGuy,
Wait – you can rob and beat people up AND speak Latin? How are they EVER going to integrate that dichotomy into their absurd racist paradigms. LOL! 😉
@ Truthbetold
Heck ya! I have absolutely no love or time for these types. About ten years back, I lived in a suburban region full of white elderly people. One of them owned a Black servant adolescent statue that they had adjacent to their driveway. It had a slab of concrete at the bottom that made it nearly impossible to move.
Didn’t stop me though. =)
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My goodness, the inability of you people to articulate arguments beyond ridiculous anecdotal stories and consistent personal or straw man attacks is bordering on hilarity.
“Oh, but when Whites commit crimes, it’s justified, right? I forgot.”
Straw man, please quote in my writing where I said such a thing. I’ve often been a believer that White’s misused their place of power in the past and are feeling the repercussions for it today. I’m also a firm believer in not letting the guilt of that past force white nation’s into our clearly suicidal tendencies.
“The big difference between me and you is that you are scared.”
Personal attack. Yes I’m scared. I’m scared because the southwest United States is going to turn into Juarez. I’m scared because as blacks gain more and more power, and wherever they take control of once great cities white cities, (Birmingham, Detroit) they simply cannot sustain the civilization and revert to African tribalism. Name one nation, state, or city, that has benefited from the transfer of white leadership to non-white leadership. Bankrupt California? Ruined Detroit? Zimbabwe? South Africa? Perhaps Apartheid ends, perhaps segregation ends, but so do things like a growing G.D.P., a stable and productive workforce, and a non-criminal population.
“Just few days a go in a lily white town a young woman was raped in the middle of the town, litterally, and yes, the rapist was lily white.”
I couldn’t help but giggle at this one, since I so clearly stated in my prior posts that whites are genetically unable to commit violent crime or rape. (hint: sarcasm, I didn’t)
Yet since we’re on these stories, the racist U.S. DOJ (run by the very black Eric Holder, mind you) has statistics for rape in the United States. Surprise Surprise, if you merely look at any year’s report on the “Criminal Victimization in the United States” you’ll know that white on black rapes are statistically non-existent. For instance in the U.S. in 2006, 32,443 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a black man, while between zero and ten black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man. Statistically non-existent, basically. Why do you think the Duke rape scandals were so overplayed? The search for the great white defendant of course.
“Just few weeks ago one guy walked into a pizza place and opened fire with a gun and then shot himself. Yeap. That guy was lily white.”
Well, here’s a story of two AK wielding blacks in Detroit shooting a 6 year old in a car jacking. AK-47 is by the way the exemplar gun of African tribal conflict, being fittingly used by Africans in the once great motor city (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120227/METRO01/202270365/Detroit-Police-Two-suspects-caught-attempted-carjacking-shooting-boy-6?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE)
“Please, I know plenty of White people and Whites are just as aggressive and larcenous as anyone else. I can’t tell you how many White knuckleheads I’ve seen fighting in bars, urinating is streets, stealing from shopping malls and attempting to date rape their women and so forth”
Yet again, straw man. Like I’ve been running around the whole time saying “White people can do no wrong.” All those things you listed are statistically more likely to be done by black men, so please refrain from judging me when I decide to keep myself and my family as far away from African populations as possible.
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@ Henry:
That is a misreading of the DOJ numbers:
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@ Henry
Because in your first comment you set up this false dichotomy between “good” white and Asian neighbourhoods and “bad” black ones.
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@ Henry
You appear to know nothing about white gentrification.
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@ Henry
From my own experiences some black neighbourhoods are violent hellholes, some are quiet and middle-class, and some are other things. It depends on the neighbourhood, not on some supposed universal, genetically determined nature of black people as violent and criminal.
In my experience the violence is mostly driven by the drug trade, not African genetics or tribalism.
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Henry,
It’s so amusing that white racists or white race realists as you people like to be called think you know more about black people than black people themselves. It begs me to wonder if you people have ever met black people in person and not get what you’ve learned from the idiot box known as the television.
It’s so funny how you call yourselves “race realists” and yet you don’t know a damn thing about race. If you did, you would know the reality that there is only one race, the human race. But no, that can not possibility be true. You good, God fearing, innocent, lily white people don’t have anything in common with those criminal, low intelligent, oversexed, raping n**gers what so ever. They are a “different” kind of human being, but an inferior brand none the less.
What is it with you all. You all have a manual on how to black people are and how to talk to them using several lines that are said over and over again by different whites? Do you all have one mind which explains why nothing you’ve presented is nothing we haven’t read before from other race realists/white supremacists/conservatives/liberals/general run-of-the-mill racists?
Everything you’ve said was not original or brilliant. It’s just another typical rambling from a cowardly white man who hates for the sake of hating. You, my friend, are pathetic just like all the other trolls before and after you.
Adios.
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Henry,
Yet again, straw man. Like I’ve been running around the whole time saying “White people can do no wrong.” All those things you listed are statistically more likely to be done by black men, so please refrain from judging me when I decide to keep myself and my family as far away from African populations as possible.
I’m so sick of this bullshit. Straight up. Here’s the truth: black people here, Africa, or anywhere do not have some sort of built-in gene to cause violence. But yet, you think you have the right to judge blacks, but we can’t do the same to fools like you spewing this shit??
*Rubs temples and exhales.*
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My point was not to say that you are painting a picture that Whites are totally innocent. My point, if you would take your head out of your backside for a moment, was to say that everyone commits crimes and that no one race commits more crimes as you stated. So save your “strawman” accusations. I’m not altering the argument for my benefit. I’m challenging your so-called “facts”, of which you stated none!
And since we are on the relevant topic of facts. How about you show some to support your emo claim that Blacks are more genetically predisposed to committing more crimes than Whites. You made the initial claim, so the burden of proof is on you. I want to see the irrefutable DNA evidence. So how about it? Or are smug, snarky comments all you have?
Are you serious? Your first post was a opinion based, emotion driven, min-rant filled with not one ounce of evidence to back it up. Not even anecdotal. Save your pseudo-intellectual horse nuggets for Stormfront, buddy. We don’t tolerate that here.
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Please refrain from judging you? I sincerely hope that is a joke. You judge others and ask not to be judged in return? Hubris!
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*munching popcorn and watching Henry getting owned like the fool he is*
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@ Henry
You do know, right, that the rich have made you into a narrow-minded racist fool so that you keep voting for the Kleptocracy?
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@henry:
“Name one nation, state, or city, that has benefited from the transfer of white leadership to non-white leadership.”
China, India, Japan (after the occupation), South Korea, just to name few.
“Yes I’m scared. I’m scared because the southwest United States is going to turn into Juarez.”
I doesn’t have to. It is up to you the people to vote programs and guys who make sure it doesn’t turn that way. If you white americans keep on promoting poverty increasing programs, racists policies, militarizing of the police etc. you will end up just like south of the border. And since you don’t seem to get what happens over there, let me educate you, if abagond allows this detour:
The wages are very low so there is a lot of poverty. One way to increase your income is sell dope to those white americans across the border. How ever, there is much money and a lot of competition, hence the drug cartels (joint operations of some drug organisations). Since it is so easy to get guns in US and since there is so much money to be made in USA by selling dope to those white americans, there is fierce competition via arms. This results murders. Since those murders are so common, torture etc has become en vogue.
Also let me remind you, the federales are in it, the state police is in it, the local police is in it and so is the military. The most dangerous mexican drug organisation in the world today is Los Zetas, founded by american trained mexican special forces soldiers. Sounds familiar? Yeah, just like the mujahedin of Afganistan, remember? Osama and those guys? They came home to roost too, sort of speaking.
Now, why it is happening across the border? Why there is a drug war in Mexico? Well, because the americans consume weed in California alone worth some 12-16 billion dollars. That is a lot of money, even in USA, not to mention in Mexico. Add to this the coke and spread it across the nation and there you have it. The one and only reason for the events in Ciudad de Juarez and on the northern parts of Mexico: money.
It is good to remember at this point that CIA has been involved in international drug business in one way or the other since the beginning and it has the same motive as everyone else: money. With the drug money it can and propably does create “black accounts” which are outside the supervision of all the congress or senate, since the money does not come from federal sources.
I have no idea are they involved on this preset drug war in Mexico, but I would not be totally surprised if we would be reading about it 20 years from now.
Now all this rambling was meant to show you that it is not about blacks in Mexico. It is not about race of the mexicans. It is about MONEY. As it always is.
“AK-47 is by the way the exemplar gun of African tribal conflict”
You do know what AK 47 means? Yes, the A does not mean african. AK comes from this: Avtomat Kalashnikov. It means automatic rifle/assault rifle by Kalashnikov. He was a lily white russian gun inventor. 47 its the year he made his first AK 47 based on nazigerman design from 1944.
The whole soviet army was equipped with it. All those lily white russians, from 1950’s till today. Millions and millions of them. And, the russians sold those guns to anyone who wanted to buy them. Now, what do you think, where those guys got their guns? From russians? Or did somebody, like a white gun nut from south, bring them or bought them and sold them onwards?
As for my examples of crimes: just to show you that yes, even we, the lily whites, can be a bit nasty and scary. So my question to you is this: if the whites are as capable of violence and crime, why not be affraid of them? Almost all the school shootings have taken place in good nice lily white/asian schools and have been committed by lily white students. Why not be affraid of those? Why be affraid of blacks and/or mexicans?
Henry, are you implying you are affraid of people who look different from you?
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@henry:
You do know that there are black homosexuals too? Just like there are white homosexuals and asian homosexuals too? And you do know that homophobia is rampant in white religious conservative right wing communities? And you do know that just few days ago it was partly criminalized in lily white Russia? And you do know that former mayor of Moscow was well know homophobic and he was not a black dude?
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@henry:
“Bankrupt California?”
When was that done by blacks or non whites? Californian state economy was ruined by some very white guys, Ronald Reagan started it and yes, the germanische Arnold Schwarzenegger completed it. And yes, Arnold is a lily white austrian, despite his ironic family name.
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@henry:
To the last I ask you this: name one, that is 1, black criminal organisation which operates on the international level and is running international drug trade, or belongs to the elite of organised crime. Thank you very much.
Ndrangheta? Noup. Camorra? Noup. Cosa Nostra? Noup. Sacra Corona Unita? Noup. Mafiya? Noup. Triads? Noup. Yakuza? Noup. Latinamerican drug cartels? Noup. The so called Supermob (active in USA from 1930 to 1990)? Noup.
What? Nigerians? There is a active criminal culture in parts of Nigeria but nigerian mafia does not exist.
South African numbers gangs? Well, they were founded by white prisoners and are not a organised organisation but a loose collection of criminals and thugs.
Crips? Bloods? Street gangs which compose of numerous smaller gangs called sets which very often fight between themselves. According Monster Cody ( in his autobiography) crips have killed more crips than anybody from outside.
So name one all black organized crime group that is actually running and directing drug trade even inside the USA. That would not be too hard if the blacks are such a criminally oriented race, right, henry??
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Name one nation, state, or city, that has benefited from the transfer of white leadership to non-white leadership
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@ Henry
I have to say that the question is in itself flawed. Britain, France, Spain, USA etc. have been imposing white leadership for the better part of the 20th century, not to mention the preceding centuries. To methodologically compare group A that has been administrating colonies vs. self-governing peoples is pretty internally invalid. You lack the quantity of examples for self-governing peoples that are untouched by W. European/American corruption and manipulation.
However, if i were to answer your question point blank:
Without a doubt, the USA under Barack Obama.
Why?
Brought the country back from an economic meltdown.
First president to ensure universal healthcare for the american people
Killed Osama Bin Laden.
Ended the fallacious Iraq War
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@Bulanik
And, how much do you know about Tottenham, in London?
That’s Totten-ham, Henry, not Tottingham, please.
Lol, I couldnt quite believe that someone could get that so wrong. Maybe those who suffer from FWES dont like to check their spelling as they cant quite come to terms with making a mistake.
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Henry, what president promised ‘a chicken in every pot’, but didn’t deliver? As a white man you should know the answer!
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@abagond
I think your construction a psychological disorder of a fragile white ego syndrome is just a little bit flawed, and certainly provocative. And I will try to explain.
First of all, your analysis of a reality distortion field is absolutely true.
“This causes a reality distortion field which makes whites seem better than they are and people of colour seem worse than they are. In America this distortion field is known as “the mainstream culture””
It goes without any doubt that the mainstream culture is tainted. And this has harmfull effects on stereotypes and prejudices white people develop.
So what is a disorder? This is just one definition:
“Psychological disorders, also known as mental disorders, are patterns of behavioral or psychological symptoms that impact multiple areas of life. These disorders create distress for the person experiencing these symptoms.”
In the case the proposed fragile white ego syndrome this will mean that whenever a white person’s ego is threatened he feels distress. Maybe that’s true, but what causes it is not the personal deviation from the pshycological standard. But rather that something is wrong in society. You can call having a sex drive a syndrome, i.e. sex depivration syndrome, where somebody feels distress when he doesn’t have sex. But this can also be classified as an addiction, just like some white people’s need to feel superior is an addiction. A hunger for power. You can say white psychologist will never agree to the admittance of the fragile white ego syndrome into the list of psychological disorders, because they’re white. But I think you would be going the wrong way with it. Off course you can call all white people crazy, that doesn’t really bother me. But that’s not the really issue at hand.
The distortion field needs to be tackled, that’s more important. Cause if that’s tackled the subconcious of white people (and black people) won’t be filled with imagery which is harmfull.
There is a test on the Harvard University website, and which has been featured in an Oprah show, in which you can measure your implicit attitude towards black people. It’s on this site:
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.html
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@henry:
“Name one nation, state, or city, that has benefited from the transfer of white leadership to non-white leadership.”
I saw a documentary on why asian countries are a greater succes than African countries. It had to do with policy, whereas in asian countries the focus was on agricultural sector which led to greater welfare and eventually industrial development.So the reason why African countries don’t do well can just as well be because of policies, and have nothing to do with white or non-white leadership
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Found it!
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Oh man if white egos were made of glass I’d say that all the broken ones in this thread have been broken into grains smaller than dust. Seriously there only claim to superiority is their skin color and truly believing god favors them. Oh man I would love to see what would happen to fragile White egos if humanity came into contact with a extraterrestrial race that is significantly superior in every way to humans, I wonder how they would make excuses and down play it. I like how pretty much all “race realist” are White, gee it must be coincidence. Would they still be “race realist” if they came into contact a race that is factually superior.
I like how these bigots are only attacking Blacks and treating Asians as “equals” technically shouldn’t Asian’s be the most superior race? After all Asian nations have the highest IQs and some relevant inventions that Whites took credit for was actually made by them.
Asians have the lowest crime rates in America and Asians overall make more money than Whites. Predominately White areas still have White people shooting up places and even bombing some and some of these White people are so young pre-teens and teens. Asians overall make more money than Whites in America.
Even though they’re the smallest minority they’re easily challenging the White population numbers in top schools and universities even with Whites trying to surpress them.
No White person would dare say that an Asian kid got in through affirmative action but will constantly question Black and Non-White Hispanics and claim they got in only through affirmative action nevermind that they have high GPAs and tons of extra curricular and diverse upbringings. Ironically White Women are the biggest beneficiaries of affrimative action but no ones ever questions how they get in. Many Whites instantly stop complaining about affirmative action when they realise they benefit from it and if they we’re to completely go on merits Asians would would end up being the overwhelming majority in top universities and they would still lose spots to Blacks and Hispanics that do better than them in merit alone.
A prime example of this is Abigail Fisher a White girl who tried to claim affirmative action was why she couldn’t get into her first choice school. Turns out affirmative action had more White people who did worse than her get into the university because of it (42 Whites and 5 Blacks or Latinos that were let in based on AA).
You complain about Black neighborhoods and cities being bad but they’re all democratic and who created the democratic party and run it mostly? WHITES! Also there was thing called Black wallstreet we were doing fine till White trash got jealous and their fragile White egos made them go out killing and destroying it.
What’s funny is all you bigots align yourself with great inventors and geniuses but in truth that’s why there was always a peasant class in all societies and the privileged wished those filthy beggars would F Off too, until I see your name on patents and see your accomplishments as far as I am concerned your not any better and are just a peasant who has a delusions of nobility, go ahead and just try to stand next to great inventors or upper class they will have you ejected because you are not the same you just think your skin color makes you one.
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i am indian and I want all whites to get the hell off my soil!
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[…] – Abagond, 2012 […]
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