The following only covers black women in America. It is based on “Hair Story” (2001) by Ayana D. Byrd and Lori L. Tharps:
Most blacks in America come from West Africa. In that part of the world hair is anywhere between kinky to loosely curled and flowing. In the 1400s and 1500s there were all kinds of beautiful hairstyles. They had the right kind of oils and combs to do them. Some took hours, some even took days. Only the mad and the mourning did not do their hair.
Then in the 1500s came the slave ships from Europe. One of the first things they did when they caught you was to cut off your hair. That was merely the beginning of a long process of wiping out your culture and identity – to break your spirit to make you easier to control. Slaves began to arrive in America in the 1600s.
In the 1700s American slaves were often worked to death. There was little time for things like beautiful African hairstyles. So most women covered their hair in a rag. Not only to hide their undone hair but sometimes to even hide things like ringworm, which left places on your head where no hair would grow. Those who worked indoors were able to do their hair. For them braiding was common.
In the 1800s the slave ships stopped coming from Africa. That meant slaves in America could no longer be worked so hard: their lives were now worth more ($1500 and up). So they started getting Sundays off. That gave women time to do their hair – which they would still cover in a rag during the week but uncover on Sundays for church.
But things did not go back to the way they were in Africa for two reasons:
- The lack of hair care products: no one in America sold the palm oil or the right kind of combs. So women had to make do with butter and bacon grease and the carding combs of sheep.
- The idea of “good hair”: living in a country of white racists made black women see kinky hair as “bad hair” and straight, flowing hair as “good hair”. So they tried to straighten their hair even if it meant using dangerous chemicals like lye (which they mixed with potatoes).
The idea of good hair was further strengthened by how house slaves and free blacks often looked: half white or nearly white, which meant they often had good hair. But despite appearances their good fortune had nothing to do with their looks: it was because they had white relations who helped them.
After the civil war when the slaves were freed the idea of good hair, if anything, grew stronger: the blacks who had been freed before the war wanted to hang on to their position at the top of black society, so they used as their excuse their light skin – and “good hair”.
See also:
- good hair
- internalized racism
- natural black beauty
- lecoil.tumblr.com – has tons of pictures of natural hairstyles
- The Mammy stereotype
What a way to dehumanize a person by stripping her of hair- to strip her dignity. Terrible.
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I am very interested in human hair (not much about hairstyles, but the hair itself). You know, the old stories about hair as one’s strength, and the symbolism of hair. I don’t know why I’m so interested in it- maybe because my parents and grandmother cut my hair very, very short when I was a little girl, and I disliked it, so I started paying much attention on other people’s hair. Does this sound weird?
I don’t know much, if anything, about the “good hair” issue (myth? stereotype?), but even what I know sounds sad. In a way, it shows racial and cultural problems in America in a perfect light.
First, shaving off slaves’ hair was a clear sign of their position. Human hair is very important in every culture (at least, I don’t know any that doesn’t pay attention on hair). By not giving slaves the right to wear their hair the way they wanted, slave owners showed they didn’t see slaves as humans. You might say it’s not a surprise.
Ok, but what about later periods? After the slavery. It looks like black people never had a full right to do whatever they want with their hair. Oh, sure, I bet the law says you can do whatever you want with you hair. But is it possible for you to get a job if your hair isn’t “European” enough?
One question: (hope it doesn’t sound disrespectful): is it possible for a biracial person with white(r) phenotype (think of Wentworth Miller for example) to have kinky hair? Is it possible for biracials to have kinky hair? Is “kinky hair” gene dominant or not? (ok, those were, technically, three questions).
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Lawd!
I’ve never heard a narrative like that.
I wonder how did they deduce that, since there are so many people that are my age who are only three generations out of slavery.
“Most blacks in America come from West Africa. In that part of the world hair is anywhere between kinky to loosely curled and flowing. In the 1400s and 1500s there were all kinds of beautiful hairstyles. They had the right kind of oils and combs to do them. Some took hours, some even took days. Only the mad and the mourning did not do their hair.”
My question is; why isn’t the West African woman still doing these elaborate hairstyles if it is part of their heritage? Might it had been the Aristocracy only? Even thought parts of East Africa had been under colonial rule, those women had managed to keep their styles.
Not all house Negroes had “good hair” or were light skinned. This should have held true during Jim Crow, where every Southern rich person had Black servants and every middle class house hold had there “girl.” This was not the case. Most White women didn’t want those women in the household if they had a say so, because they felt that they competed for their husband’s desire.
My last question; why was it necessary for us to have hair anyway? In Africa many women still shave there hair.
We never focus on our features and good skin.
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Years ago, my mother was taught to cornrow hair by one of her friends – a wonderful bw I call tita which means aunt. I used to have my hair braided by my mother. She took me aside and she cornrowed my hair for school one day. It looked good. When I went to school, several classmates made comments that I looked funny. And that I should’ve done my hair in a French braid style. I didn’t care what they told me because when my mother took the cornrows out, I had these beautiful waves.
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Mira said:
One question: (hope it doesn’t sound disrespectful): is it possible for a biracial person with white(r) phenotype (think of Wentworth Miller for example) to have kinky hair? Is it possible for biracials to have kinky hair? Is “kinky hair” gene dominant or not? (ok, those were, technically, three questions).
Lol at this one (no offence Mira), but without having an African heritage you can have kinky hair like some irish, jews etc…so yes someone like Wentworth can have kinky hair.
Again this type of hair is not a black trait but a human trait.
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Mira,
Yes, it is possible for a biracial person to have kinky hair. Our President is one example. Since most American Blacks have a varied genetic history, you can not predict what kind of hair a biracial child will have.
abagond
Do we know for sure that the slaves hair was cut off? If so, it certainly didn’t last throughout slavery. Then why did the straight hair slave wear their hair wrapped. I thought wearing the head wrapped was part of some African traditions. Not all African women who shave their hair cover their heads. It was implied that initially black women were ashamed and cover their hair.
I don’t think it take too much scholarship to figure how good hair came about, but I think the rest of the article is questionable.
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Thank you for your answer. I was just wondering: I always thought that type of hair is exclusively an African trait. A recessive gene, perhaps, since many biracials don’t have it. Why else would racists make that into an important trait and expect black people to be ashamed of their natural hair?
Please not that I don’t buy “good hair” nonsense- beautiful hair in my book is any hair that looks thick and like there’s a lot of it.
My husband has wonderful hair, and it’s much different than the usual hair in my culture. It’s coarse, very thick, and he can’t use the combs that other people use. It’s not kinky (I am not sure what kinky hair looks or feels like – yes, I am aware this sounds ignorant, but I’m not asking this because of lack of respect), but it’s different.
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There is nothing pretty about kinky hair. Why would anyone want to have hair that resembles a brillo pad?
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Hathor said
My question is; why isn’t the West African woman still doing these elaborate hairstyles if it is part of their heritage? Might it had been the Aristocracy only? Even thought parts of East Africa had been under colonial rule, those women had managed to keep their styles.
My last question; why was it necessary for us to have hair anyway? In Africa many women still shave there hair
I don’t know where you get this information, but if you go to Senegal, Mali, Guinea, Benin, South Africa or even Nigeria, you can see beautiful African hairstyles anywhere.
Also people (in the western world) forget that hair is very very very very important in Africa, women have their hair done every week even the poor ones, African women hair is generally healthier, longer and fuller that the Blacks in America or Europe due at the weather and because they know how look after it without chemical products, believe it or not.
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nubiah,
Were do you get your information?
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Also, I must add that some African- or African American hairstyles are popular in my country. Not for all the people, but it’s not surprising to see women with brads or cornrows. Dreadlocks are also extremely popular, but this hairstyle is often more than a fashion statement. In my culture, none of this is seen as wanting to be part of “wigger” culture.
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Hathor said:
Do we know for sure that the slaves hair was cut off? If so, it certainly didn’t last throughout slavery. Then why did the straight hair slave wear their hair wrapped. I thought wearing the head wrapped was part of some African traditions. Not all African women who shave their hair cover their heads. It was implied that initially black women were ashamed and cover their hair.
I totally agree with u, the head wrapped is part of the African tradition.
Also some do to keep their hair form smell and dust.
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nubiah,
“Also people (in the western world) forget that hair is very very very very important in Africa, women have their hair done every week even the poor ones, African women hair is generally healthier, longer and fuller that the Blacks in America or Europe due at the weather and because they know how look after it without chemical products, believe it or not.”
Just what are you saying here? Their hair can be “good”, too?
Is it really important that their hair can grow long?
Why should we even give a damn, if hair isn’t an obsession.
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Hathor,
I am from Cameroon and Mali (I have family in Mali, Cameroon, Senegal, Angola, Togo, Congo and Cape Verde) and I have been travelling a lot in Africa, for my pleasure and for my work (which is actually in the field of beauty and hair).
So that’s where I get my information.
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Nope Hathor, good hair for me is healthy hair and I also know a lot of women who rock the shaved head.
My point that having a beautiful hairstyle (especially braids, conrows, etc…) is also part of the African tradition.
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Hair length is, actually, pretty irrelevant and completely individual. Sure, it depends on your hair thickness and texture, as well as environmental and other factors. But not your ethnicity.
I am white and I don’t cut my hair. It reaches my waist, which is a good length, but nothing spectacular- it just won’t grow more. I know there are black women with hair longer than mine.
Also, the obsession with hair length is racist in a way. Because whites usually have hair that is- in lack of better term- flat, it grows down. Hence the obsession with long, flowing hair. Pretty often, thin but long hair is considered more beautiful than thick and short. This way of thinking is racist in a way, or, to use a less harsh term, culturally specific.
Who said that a beautiful hair has to be long and flowing? If nothing else, thick hair, kinky hair, even if it’s very short, looks like there’s much of it. And it’s beautiful.
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@Jefflion / Mira?
(I am not sure what kinky hair looks or feels like – yes, I am aware this sounds ignorant, but I’m not asking this because of lack of respect), but it’s different.
My avartar pic is a good example of what kinky hair looks like. Kinky hair may appear rough to some but it is actually soft.
is it possible for a biracial person with white(r) phenotype (think of Wentworth Miller for example) to have kinky hair? Is it possible for biracials to have kinky hair?
I have seen quite a few biracial people who have kinky hair. It is also possible for a biracial person to have kinky hair with dark skin.
Lenny Kravitz is biracial and imo hot, he has kinky hair
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Jefflion said:
Also, the obsession with hair length is racist in a way,
I kinda agree with that but to me is more sexist that racist.
It’s one of those thing some men want to make believe women that we have to conform to a certain idea of beauty.
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@nubiah:
From what I am able to determine, though your avatar pic is small, may I say you have gorgeous locks. 😀
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Janice
There is nothing pretty about kinky hair. Why would anyone want to have hair that resembles a brillo pad?
You must really hate yourself and your life because you feel the need to always “try” to bring others down. Kinky hair, like all other hair textures, when healthy is absoulutely beautiful.
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All women’s hair grows down except blk women.
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Janice
All women’s hair grows down except blk women.
So what, you want a cookie?
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@Janice:
How would you know, troll? You must know every single black woman in the world to make such baseless assumptions.
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Then there is:
http://www.amazon.com/Hair-Story-Untangling-Roots-America/dp/0312265999/ref=cm_lmf_tit_1
and
There was another large picture book which was essentially a book full of A4 size pictures from Africa to America. Very interesting but its title alludes me.
Then if you going way back beyond the slavery period, where much of the history often starts. Then you will see that Ancient Egyptian females often shaved their heads and wore wigs…
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@ Janice
You need to get out more. There are black women with natural hair that hangs down.
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I love the book hairstory, the cutting of the slave’s hair was indeed a way to dehumanise them and it also created a bit of confusion because there were specific styles worn by a specific tribe.
Mixed race blacks can have kinky hair too some times it’s a looser texture some times its sometimes full black people have a looser texture than the blacks who are mixed. it can be curly, coily or kinky or a coombination of all.
Oh and the negro elite with the light skin and good hair. Most people know about the brown paper bag test where if you were darker than a brown paper bag you were not allowed inside a place, well there was also a fine toother combed test back then where if the comb couldn’t pass through your hair easily then you were not allowed in the club. The thing that I hate about the negro elite was how brainwashed all of them were and when they went to Liberia they brought all that “good hair/bad hair” and “light skin vs dark skin” bull crap with them. but that is for another post
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And still on black hair…
At one point – not sure of the present state of play the Afro is what most [Black] Fijians would consider having – and throughout other areas of the Pacific Islands
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/HN6610-001.jpg%3Fv%3D1%26c%3DIWSAsset%26k%3D2%26d%3D2AC75F6FAA20674C33827355868D94AAA47B8BDDB3A7E29849207362A3F24453&imgrefurl=http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/HN6610-001/Hulton-Archive&usg=__HACzpTWz_5zB9RyPmQSGwYHSu0U=&h=480&w=485&sz=50&hl=en&start=3&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=L0tOxkRDCoAuXM:&tbnh=128&tbnw=129&prev=/images%3Fq%3DFiji%2Bhair%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4SKPB_enGB349GB349%26um%3D1
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Thanks J for the book recommedation
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Yes people, I am jefflion. That’s the name of my website, also run by wordpress. So when I’m logged in, all my comments on various wordpress powered websites go under “jefflion” as the username. I usually don’t even notice it. Sorry for the confusion. It is me, I wasn’t trying to make a sock puppet.
I know dark skinned biracials, such as Lenny can have kinky hair, that’s why I asked about white phenotype biracials. Sorry if it sounds weird, it’s more of general interest in genetics and dominant/recessive genes, not question about race.
Yes, I am aware black women can have all the types of hair. Just like there are white women (or men, like my husband), whose hair doesn’t grow down. I was speaking in general terms- long, flowing hair could be an ideal for white women, but it’s racist- or, as nubiah said, sexist- to take that as the only beauty ideal.
Thanks for the books and pictures!
Janice is obviously a racist troll, but I really wonder why (s)he’s wasting her time here.
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I’ve seen biracial people with 3 types of hair textures.
– Kinky. Similar to most AA hair types. but imo it’s rare.
– Loose wavy type.
– Curly. This type of texture is in between. Not quite Kinky and not wavy. Think of that kid/actor Corbin Bleu
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hair is hair it keeps ur head warm and protects ur hair from the heat of the sun so your brain doesn’t get damaged. Its just a manifestation of dead cells really…funny
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@Leaveumthinking:
Yes, healthy hair is beautiful hair.
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Thanks for the commentary! That explains the mystery as to why black women wear head gear (scarves, ect.). I had no idea it ties back to slavery and wanting to maintain a level of pride.
Leigh,
You probably looked cute when you were little with cornrowed hair.
And yes, black women’s hair grows like crazy. You just have to know how to take care of it.
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@islandgirl:
Thanks! I thought I looked pretty darn cute. I loved having my hair cornrowed because my hair would be out of my face. Not to mention, I would have this beautiful wavy hair after the cornrows were taken out. And most of all, having my hair cornrowed meant spending time bonding with my mother.
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My hair is a mixture of curly, kinky and wavy. I used to relax my hair and it messed my hair up. I’m natural now and it is was better. I wash with conditioner once or twice a week and I air dry my hair. I use only conditioner, shampoo seem tos make my hair dry. Condition helps my hair become loose and tangle free. I only comb my hair in the shower when I wash it. After each wash I braid my hair and twist it. I always use some type of natural oil or moisturizer to keep my hair soft and shiny. So far my hair is shoulder length. I’m trying to grow it waist length. I’m going to look so hot with waist length hair.
I’m been looking up some traditional hairstyling methods that African women used. Many Africans used Rhoussaul Clay to loosen their curls pattern and to condition their hair. Henna is good for hair too I heard its a good condiotioner and hair dye.
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Hair Story is an interesting book. I recommend it.
The obsession that people on this board have with black/white offspring is fascinating. And yes, for the record, they tend to have tightly curled hair. Why wouldn’t they? They’re still of African descent.
And as Nubiah pointed out, blacks can have any variation of tightly curled hair. You can go to any African nation and see that.
Many black women wear headwraps and scarves to protect their hair when they sleep.
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The obsession that people on this board have with black/white offspring is fascinating.
I guess you mean “fascinating” in a bad way. Why would that be a bad way?
I am interested in genetics.
And yes, for the record, they tend to have tightly curled hair. Why wouldn’t they? They’re still of African descent.
Some people here pointed out that you don’t have to be of African descent to have kinky hair. Also, I asked if someone knows if the gene is dominant or recessive.
And as Nubiah pointed out, blacks can have any variation of tightly curled hair. You can go to any African nation and see that.
I can’t. I don’t have any money to travel. That’s why Internet is the only way for me to learn about some things, for now.
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I love a black womans natrual hair…I adore it…
The curl ,whether a little or a lot , fits with the facial features of the lips and nose. They go togther incredibly. I was so lucky to be a young male when the Afro was in style.
Want to know a real sign of bearty ? Go to the beach and see what a woman looks like after here hair is wet coming out of the surf. Their are white woman who spend a lot of money to have their hair dont and they look so cute and when they come out of the water, their face looks like a linebacker for Southern Cal University.
Look at a black woman with natural hair come out of the water. The true beauty is in tact and lucious.
I love a black woman’s natural hair.
But she is entitled to wear it how she wants. LIke I said, I like a lot of curl or a little. It all is beautiful.
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With regard to the conversation between Mira and Nubiah with a White people with wooly/kinky hair etc.
Sorry for interrupting here…
Personally, I would say any Whites who has wooly, kinky hair, has ‘Black ancestry’.
J.A Rogers in his Sex and Race, Vol 1 & 2 and Nature No Color Line documenting Black ancestry in Whites, from Jews
to Beethoven etc….
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Sorry for the spelling errors above, my computor is dificult to type on now and i make a lot of mistakes.
Here is one incredibly talented woman who has it going on in all aspects and here hair is wonderful.
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A teacher once told my husband he had a hair like Beethoven. But my husband doesn’t have any black ancestry. And it’s not really kinky hair, thought it’s not something you’d call “typically European”- you can’t comb it with usual combs white people use.
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Here is a clip of some natural hair from the early 70’s.
I only reccoment watching the first 2:03 part of it, the rest is kind of boring.
That is my long time ago tall dark natural ex wife dancing next to Chicago esteemed playright. actress , Jackie Wright, doing Catherine Dunham technique , taught by the late Wilber Bradley.
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Thanks Mira…
How would you know about your husband ancestry. When you consider the amount of ‘genetics’ that was spread by the Islamic empire including in parts of Eastern Europe.
There is another feature of Black hair that is sometimes alluded too and sometimes not viz. that it can also be ‘wooly’ in its texture.
I was hoping to find a replicate picture of Beethoven’s hair from Sex & Race vol 1, unfortunately I could not find it on the web.
I think these pictures may have to do in this instance
Is this what you mean by ‘Beethoven’s hair’??
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@J
How would you know about your husband ancestry. When you consider the amount of ‘genetics’ that was spread by the Islamic empire including in parts of Eastern Europe.
True. Turks did rule this part of Europe for several centuries, that’s we’re a bit darker than your average Slavs. But Turks are white. So I never really thought about it. It would be interesting to know. Like I said, I am very interested in genetics, and I’d love to know as much as I can about my and my husband’s ancestors.
Is this what you mean by ‘Beethoven’s hair’??
Yes, exactly! That really looks like my husband’s hair. It’s not kinky, but it grows up and he can’t use combs available here.
I don’t know if this is African feature. I would be interesting to know- like I said, I am interested in genetics, and in hair, both biologically and culturally- (hair and what to do with it) is an important cultural trait.
I am not trying to be disrespectful or overly curious (in an exoticising or feitshising kind of way) here. I know the subject of black hair and African hairstyles is somewhat touchy, especially when a white person is interested in it. But I don’t think it’s forbidden to talk about it, is it?
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Here are some of the traditional and modern african hairtyles some were featured in HairStory these links are from the website Black Girl Long Hair which is a natural black hair blog
http://bglhonline.com/category/african-style-week/
http://bglhonline.com/2009/02/african-style-week-pt-1/
http://bglhonline.com/2009/02/african-style-week-pt-2/
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Myname said:
The obsession that people on this board have with black/white offspring is fascinating.
That’s so true, I noticed the same thing.
J said:
Personally, I would say any Whites who has wooly, kinky hair, has ‘Black ancestry’.
So I presume when you see a White person with a darker skin tone, a Black person with light skin or light eyes, you automatically assume they have white or Balck ancestry?
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More often than not…Yes…And when you can apply history and an understanding of the African global presence then things make much more ‘sense’.
For instance the Italians who were invaded by teh Carthaginians and then the Moors would help to explain why some of them may have dark skin.
When you accounting for Beethoven’s dar skin that he was refered to as a Moor. Then you have another working hypothesis and so on…
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Just one thing Mira. I have always classified the Turks essentially as being Mongoloids, if I can use that term.
Though I am willing to concede that there skin can approximate to ‘White’, but so can other Mongoloids groups like the Japanese
It is not quite what I had in mind – though it is an important factor – when I referred to ‘Black genes’ entering Eastern Europe through Islamic land.
I had more in mind Black Africans who were dispersed
over the ‘Muslim world’ like places in the Mediterranean
world and beyond and perhaps as even as far as China
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@Aiyo:
Thanks for the links! The different patterns of the braid hairstyles look quite intricate. There’s one style I really like.
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With regard to:
“Is this what you mean by ‘Beethoven’s hair’??
Yes, exactly! That really looks like my husband’s hair. It’s not kinky, but it grows up and he can’t use combs available here.
I don’t know if this is African feature. I would be interesting to know- like I said, I am interested in genetics, and in hair, both biologically and culturally- (hair and what to do with it) is an important cultural trait.
Personally my opinion would be ‘yes’. I am not sure I would define it as an African feature per se but I would say it is more likely attributable to an ‘African/Black’ ancestor somewhere in his family tree.
Perhaps a DNA sample may reveal much here…
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Sorry to bust your hypothesis, J, but there is no “specifically African” gene out there. No are there any “specifically European” or “white” genes.
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Thanks, but it still does not change or alter the discussion that Mira and I are having, of the possibility that there may be a Black/African ancestor in her husband’s geneaolgical family tree.
This is the essence of what we are discussing – and I am sure you are aware of that also…
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@ Janice,
Believe it or not, Sudanese folks believe that black ppl’s kinky hair is different simply for the reason that it is the proof that black ppl are the originals. The folklore states that it is the hair what will be used to identify the originals when the time comes. I am sure if this folklore is indeed correct you will have great reasons to love your kinky locks.
I am actually happy that I belong to a group of ppl who are the only ppl who can produce my hair type. I am unique in that respect. I wear my kinky hair in its natural state right now and I feel no less of a woman. I will admit it is very fragile and needs gentle care. Most ppl are shocked at how soft it is. Embrace the uniqueness that is you and do not get indoctrinated to believe that your hair is somehow less than another.
Abagond, I have rediscovered some of these ancient oils. I now use Argan oil on my hair, it has a beautiful nutty aroma and makes the hair soft and shiny.
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Mabel,
I agree 100%. People are shocked at how soft my hair is when they touch. I guess they expect it to feel like a brillo pad. Yes, I heard that folklore before. Folklores may be folklores, but there is usually some type of truth to them. Kinky hair is unique and it makes us stand out from everyone else. Every race has a unique feature that makes them stand out, but kinky hair seems to be the one unique feature that actually speaks volumes. To this day, kinky hair is still made fun of which makes me inclined to believe that maybe there is something symbolic about kinky hair that we as blacks don’t fully know about yet because no one continues to make fun of something for such long periods of time unless it means something.
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There are so many variations of hair type that maybe no one hair type is recessive or dominant.
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Janice
I believe that African hair is beautiful. A thick mass of wholly hair is absolutely stunning. The only reason why some women have short hair is because alot of people don’t know how to care for their hair. Our hair is drier than other people’s hair, so our hair needs more maintanance, such as using carrot oil and cholesterol conditioning. Until I turned 30 years old, my hair, which is whoolly, was 7 inches past my shoulders. I conditioned it regularly and used hair lotions. Also, I didn’t perm it often, maybe twice yearly. I still have long, thick hair, but I lost a little length and thickness because of a thyroid problem. Our hair grows like any other hair, it just requires that we do not put harsh chemicals in it on a regular basis, and that we use moisterizers. I agree with Mabel, I think being different from others is wonderful. If you are a black women, cherish your hair. Love yourself. If you want long hair. take some time to care for your hair. You will be surprised how long it will grow.
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J sez:
of the possibility that there may be a Black/African ancestor in her husband’s geneaolgical family tree.
Yeah, perhaps. Of course, if you take it back long enough, there are African ancestors in every european’s family tree.
Straight hair is almost certainly a gene that got expressed outside of Africa. That doesn’t mean, however, that it eliminated other genes. Kinky hair is the human default.
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Can I just add
From an African centred perspective, there are 2 types of Blacks:
1. with kinky hair/peppercorn
2. with straight to wavy hair.
Whilst we still on hair etc. There are Blacks – in the Pacific – who exhibit blonde hair without having any recourse to Caucasians.
So some from an African centred perspective argue that all the fundamental elements for other races etc already had existed in Black people long before there was any other different shades of colour (race etc) on the earth.
It is the African/Black person leaving Africa which in essence ‘created’ the different races…
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Hmm. I think J’s last post is quite true. Black ppl are/were so genetically diverse that once they started to spread out. All of these different characteristics became apparent. I love my natural black hair. I’m relaxed @ th moment. I’ll be goin’ natural soon. I’ve already invested in a few oils that are very good for hair care. Black hair is so beautiful. No more beautiful than any other type but still beautiful. Yes as it was mentioned b4, most black women use a scarf @ night (I’m one of them) preferably a silk/satin scarf. It hlps to keep in moisture.
I think its horrid tht slave owners used to shave the hair of women esp when it had a meaning in certain tribes/cultures.
@ Mira. There is nothing that should be off limits to anyone b’cos of skin coloour. I understand where you’re coming from though.
@ Thad, what race are you?
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So some from an African centred perspective argue that all the fundamental elements for other races etc already had existed in Black people long before there was any other different shades of colour (race etc) on the earth.
That’s the straight-up science view of things. So far, NO human genetic variation has been conclusively proven as having arisen outside of Africa.
(Now let’s see if someone objects with the “obvious” exception… ) 😀
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Annaleisha, my biological race is human. My social/historical race is generally valenced by myself and others as “white”, though because of my long life in Brazil and my Brazilian citizenship, I occasionally get called “latin” by Americans who a) believe that’s a race instead of a cultural background, and b) are unaware that I grew up in North America.
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J,
There is no scientific view that early mans skin color was Black That adaptation came after we became human. It does not matter whether the origins of humans were in Africa. Think of humans as naked apes in the flow of evolution. In that 2% genetic difference between humans and chimps, is it skin color and hair texture? As far as we know melanin could be a genetic mutation.
We have to think of human migration starting over 100,000 years ago. Before the populations got large, even migration in Africa could have been only to the moderate climates. It would not be necessary to have color until one lived in a high UV environment of where the sun is at it most intense, the Equator.
This just another way of viewing skin color, instead of some Divine Right.
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Look, god gave us this hair. In my eyes we are BLESSED to have this hair. I rather have thick curly hair any day then thin straight hair. Black people are more creative with their hair then any people on the planet. There’s no shame here. God did not make a mistake when he made black folks hair. I’ve heard white people saying how much they wish they had thick hair. Black folks can rock ANY style that most other can’t.
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With regard to what you say Hathor,
It is agreed, even by Western academia that in all probability the first humans were Black only because out of a necessity to protect humans from the ultra violet rays.
In the words of Diop, it does not mean anything if the first human is Black, since it is only is a necessity of ‘mother nature’.
If humans had originated within the then cold ice age of Europe. Then they would have been white skinned.
Here again is the article showing you the idea why many in academia believe the first humans were Black/Brown skinned but not White.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327222.500-where-does-white-skin-come-from.html
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GOD knew what he was doing when he created kinky hair. He made it grow up toward the heavens as a salute to him. YAY!
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i’ve probably said it on many posts but i LOVE kinky afro hair.
I believe it is best to go with your natural hair texture and colour.. nature knows best ;)..
I have curly hair and since living in the uk- I have got comments like such as ‘ why don’t you straighten your hair’… It makes me kind of mad because I like the way I am. my hair is beautiful(not to be bighead- llife would be boring if we all have straight blonde hair.
Besides hair fads come and go… If we look through history curly hair was popular- this straightening BS is just for money gain- so we all go and buy hair straighteners
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Though we do not know anything conclusively, of course, it’s a pretty good scientific bet that the first homo sapiens sapiens had pretty dark skin.
“Black”, however, is a modern construct coming out of racism. I highly doubt that the first HSS would have seen themselves as black.
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Love this blog entry. I would like to add my opinion that black hair isn’t naturally “strong.” If that was the case our hair would not fall out when exposed to caustic chemicals and extreme heat. I had to stop perming my hair when it fell out twice and I hate to see sisters with stringy, thin, sickly looking perms. I have been told that I have so called “good hair” because I wear it in twists when it is not braided and most don’t know why I get offended by it. Unfortunately, black men also have a “good hair” fetish and sisters will often bow to their men’s desire for them to look like Naomi Campbell instead of Erika Badu.
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I would like to add my opinion that black hair isn’t naturally “strong.”
No kidding! Ana’s hair, for example, is incredibly thin. There’s a lot of it, but the individual strands are very thin.
My hair strands, by contrast, are pretty thick. So we’re hoping our kid is going to get very exhuberant curly hair.
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J and Thad,
I think it is still conjecture and I think Black people shouldn’t be so ethnocentric. If it is color only couldn’t the first humans looked like the Southern Indians or the Australian Aborigines. I/4 million years ago is a lot of generations. I personally don’t think homo sapien evolved with dark skin. The predecessor probably was more ape like and had body hair. Still more closely related to an ancestor of the chimp than now. Where would the natural melanin come from? Most of the evidence of the first humans does not put them equatorial Africa. I would also guess they were pretty much forest dwellers until they develop tools to protect themselves. There is a theory that the first humans were initially scavengers of meat. before they learned to hunt.
I guess when they find the genes for melanin production, hair follicle topology and various other features we consider African; along with an ancient sample of DNA, we wont know.
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“I think Black people shouldn’t be so ethnocentric.”
Huh? What do you mean by “ethnocentric”?
Please do not use anthropological babble, to cover your discomfort with people who have not been able to celebrate their own experiences and beauty for centuries.
Be forthright enough to state your problem with black folks loving our natural selves in plain English.
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“Natural selves”… QUAQUAQUAQUA!
Fanon would love it. One of his major points is that racism associates black people with “nature” and white people with “culture”.
Interesting to see black people buying into that model.
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With regard to:
I think it is still conjecture and I think Black people shouldn’t be so ethnocentric. If it is color only couldn’t the first humans looked like the Southern Indians or the Australian Aborigines
The colour of the skin of Southern Indians and even Aborigines before Europeans reached there) was Black.
There are Southern Indians who skin is in fact darker and Blacker than Africans.
Before departing, in a discussion with Head Toucher we discussed how the ancient Greeks actually viewed the Southern Indians and Ethiopians (in Africa) as the same ‘race’ as people.
Finally science has revealed that the Southern Indians and Aborigines types are all descended from Africa.
So there is no escape from the fact. The first person was in all probability Black skinned and I am not talking about the racial concept of ‘Black’ in society. If you look into the research there is a broad concensus here.
The problem as I have said before is that people are not interested in the ‘truth’ (unless it conveniently falls on their side) but only to eager to hear and see with what conforms to their world-views, prejudices and so forth
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Finally science has revealed that the Southern Indians and Aborigines types are all descended from Africa.
So are we all, neh? This shouldn’t be news. Mediterranean Europeans have had more historical influx from Africa in recent years than either of these two areas. (“Recent” meaning in the last 5 milennia).
The problem as I have said before is that people are not interested in the ‘truth’ (unless it conveniently falls on their side) but only to eager to hear and see with what conforms to their world-views, prejudices and so forth…
Now if that ain’t the pot calling the kettle afrodescendent… 😀
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eshowoman,
Since you could google the word or look it up in a dictionary, why not use it.
I guess I have just failed the Black Litmus test, because I use a “big” word, not falling into the stereotype.
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Why don’t you answer the question, instead of trying to insult me and painting yourself as a victim of black essentialism. What is YOUR definition of “ethnocentric?”
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J and Thad,
I think where we probably have differences is in the time line. We just didn’t become human in an instant; when we lost body hair, was that before or after we became a new species. The circumstance of evolution doesn’t indicate that humans popped out with dark skin. To say that Indians and Aborigine had descended from Africa is meaningless, all humans have. It has to do with the time line.
You see it really seems to matter most to J that they had to dark skinned as if is has given Black people some special qualities. Would the world been better if we had discovered and use gunpowder as a weapon first?
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““Natural selves”… QUAQUAQUAQUA!
Fanon would love it. One of his major points is that racism associates black people with “nature” and white people with “culture”.”
I was referring to the hair style, Thad.
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Hathor,
Can we just admit that you are reticient through whatever reason of your own to admit that the first humans, ie homo sapiens sapiens had black skins??
Even in spite Western academia is slowly but surely even coming roundto this trail of thought…
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I think what Hathor is saying is that chimps and apes do not have melanin but humans do. So at what point did humans (or the man-like creatures that came before) start to have melanin? The first humans may not have been dark-skinned – that could have come later (but, clearly, before they left Africa for South Asia, etc).
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man reading this is just sad of how women had their heads shaved off because of them getting caught but i understand more about my history. i like to wear my hair natural because i give the whole straighten a break but i don’t mind having my hair straighten either. i feel beautiful either way and i don’t think it’s cool to bash women who do choose to wear weaves or get perms because of whatever reason. i’ve always said we all have choices and make choices and still believe in that. at the end of the day, we’re all beautiful and as for janice, i’ve seen black women with long hair and can grow it so you will be amazed by it. stop the ignorance because you’re making yourself look bad.
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I was referring to the hair style, Thad.
Precisely. NO haristyle is natural, esho. Unless, of course, you NEVER pass a comb through your hair or wash it and just let it grow like God intended.
So for you to claim that African hair styles are more “natural”… Well, to me you’re falling into the racist “natural” vs. “cultural” divide Fanon talked about.
What Africans do to their hair is ALSO artificial, Esho. It’s just an artificial that works better/easier with certain kind of hair types.
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Abagond sez:
I think what Hathor is saying is that chimps and apes do not have melanin but humans do. So at what point did humans (or the man-like creatures that came before) start to have melanin?
First of all, evolution occurs through very tiny, incremental steps. So there's no one "step" where the creature that will one day be human will have lost all its hair but still has no melanin.
Secondly, other primates do indeed have melanin. It's not something that evolved specifically in humans.
Finally, some apes and other primates don't need melanin because they have hair to protect them from the sun's rays.
Given all this, it seems very, very likely to me (and most biologists, I might add), that as the creature type which would one day be human lost its hair cover, it would also correspondingly increase the melanin content in its skin for very, very good evolutionary reasons.
While it's not a supported fact (yet), the idea that the first humans had very dark skin is a logical and valid deduction, given what we know about evolution, melanin and human origins.
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Cheers Abagond for the interjection.
The problem with Hathor’s position is that evolutionary theory states than humans and apes have a common ancestor and this is the missing link that one often hears mentioned.
So terms like Australopithiceuse, Homo Erectus, Homo habilis. These terms as classified by the scientists are called ‘Homonoids’. Its only later down the line you get ‘homo sapiens sapiens’. Not even Neanderthals are classified as such but rather as a distant cousin.
So the question being posed by Hathor has other ulterior motives behind it, a bit like the board in general, if I am being honest.
From an African centred perspective all the hominoid would be classified as being ‘African’.
I think African centred historians would say the key point in history was the ice age. Specifically the ice age. Although the homoid genes probably had the capacity to generate to ‘albinoism’.
This did not really occur en masse until Africans who left the continent, were stuck in the cold ice age. This is the popular theory how White skin pigmentation and race came about.
Whilst still on topic. Diop would say this would be around c. 40,000 BC with the Cro-Magnon.
Around 15,000 BC. The Black type mixed with the White types to form a new race of ‘Mongoloids’
Finally the issue of melanin is not quite understood here, in my humble opinion. Since this picture should say it all
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And still while we are on this theme was it not Diodorous who wrote…So we can see that the idea is not a new one at least??
“NOW THE ETHIOPIANS, AS HISTORIAN RELATE, WERE THE FIRST OF ALL MEN. For they did not come into their land as immigrants from abroad BUT THEY WERE NATIVES OF IT and so justly bear the name “autochthones” is they maintain, conceded by practically all men; furthermore, THAT THOSE WHO DWELL BENEATH THE NOON-DAY SUN WERE, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, THE FIRST TO BE GENERATED BY THE EARTH IS CLEAR TO ALL; since, inasmuch as it was the warmth of the sun which, at the generation of the universe, dried up the earth when it was still wet and impregnated it with life, it is reasonable to suppose that the region which was nearest to the sun was the first to bring forth living creatures.”
http://wysinger.homestead.com/strabo.html
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Why am I thought to have some agenda because I disagree?
I have scientific interest and read articles from time to time or see something interesting on TV about the new discoveries in genetics, fossils and earths history. Sometimes I develop my own theories or question some things I have read or seen. If I were debating the actual scientist, I would have better sources to back up my arguments. However, this is a blog, so I feel that I can challenge without having to go through a peer review. There can be no peers in an anonymous venue.
Actually I have my own blog and my real biased opinions can be seen there.
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Well I apologise if that is not the case.
However, the fact cannot be denied that there is a reluctance by many to admit that the first humans were Black, or in this instance had black (if not dark skin), even when academia seems to support the contention.
And your comments
“I think it is still conjecture and I think Black people shouldn’t be so ethnocentric”
seemed in my mind at least, to support the aforesaid, whether correctly, or incorrectly.
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I think African centred historians would say the key point in history was the ice age. Specifically the ice age. Although the homoid genes probably had the capacity to generate to ‘albinoism’.
Actually, it`s not “albinoism”. It’s the same gene that makes zebras striped, to tell the truth, and it’s in many African mammals, including man.
Moving to a less sunny region just allowed this gene to express itself: it’s not a mutation.
And, btw J, this isn’t “afrocentrism”: it’s simple, straight up science.
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J,
Speaking to peoples motives, isn’t an agenda.
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is anyone else how the convo got this way?
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is anyone else wondering how the convo got this way
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With regard to:
“Actually, it`s not “albinoism”. It’s the same gene that makes zebras striped, to tell the truth, and it’s in many African mammals, including man
And, btw J, this isn’t “afrocentrism”: it’s simple, straight up science.”
I am afraid I am not speaking about the White stripes on the zebras.
I am specifically speaking of an African centred view that gives an account of the origins of the Caucasian race.
And here is one scholar who gives such an account
Albinos–The Origin of the Caucasian Race?
http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/chapter_7.htm
Hope this clarifies my position.
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And from another topic board – if there should be any doubt
Albinism, not Adaptation, is cause of white race
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000609
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J, actually, they’ve already found the gene that causes whiteness. Take a look here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501728.html
I was mistaken: it was ZebraFISH, not zebras, though this gene does also occur in zebras.
The article in question – like a lot of pop science articles – gets some small points wrong: this wasn’t a mutation, but rather the expression of an existing gene.
The “albino” theory doesn’t have a scientific leg to stand on, as far as I can see. Albinism is the complete LACK of melanin, not its reduction, and it’s caused by an antirely different gene complex. Mate albinos with whomever you like, as often as you want: you’ll never get someone who’s “half ‘n half”. The gene simply doesn’t work that way.
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I guess those who argue it must be a ‘mutation’ of some kind because within the theory of Black skin turning to White in ice age Europe.
Then you have a problem to explain how did White skin manage to be produced generation after generation?? Especially as we know albino’s can produce Black off-spring.
Something must have changed on the genetic level of those Early European people who had di-pigmented to account for the maintenance of White skin within this theory.
Its clear you do not see it as a mutation whereas others do. I think it is also unfair to refer to pop science articles when those writing it obviously know a lot more than you on the subject and especially from an African centred perspective too. Unless it is your aim here to you suggest that these African centred ideas are based on ‘pop science’??
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Aiyo,
I know right?! Lol. Allow me to clarify. Hathor was saying (in a nutshell) the first humans (or human-like animals) were not black, tht they didn’t ave dark skin. J disagress with this wholeheartedly… (As do I). Thad was sayin’ stuff along the same lines as J.
🙂
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I was unable to post comments yesterday. I can see the conversation went in a different direction, but I’d just like to answer J’s post:
Just one thing Mira. I have always classified the Turks essentially as being Mongoloids, if I can use that term.
True. Turks are wide group and their ethnogenesis is interesting. However, Turks are accepted as Caucasians (white), and that’s how I see them.
Turkish ancestry is a very touchy subject in my part of the world, because it brings questions of slavery and, once again, rape. It is widely accepted here that Turks raped Slavic women all the time, especially if their families refused to take Islam.
It’s even believed that those families that accepted Islam instead of Christianity were left alone. This is never proved- actually, we don’t have that much proof of rapes. However, it is true that Muslim on the Balkans, especially in Bosnia, are often “lighter” (lighter skin, hair, eyes) than the Christians (Serbs and Croats). This paradox brings us to the possibility that the Christians have, in fact, more Turkish blood in their ancestry than the Muslims. When you take recent Balkan conflicts over religion and ethnicity, it all becomes quite ironic.
But all in all, like I said, Turks are accepted as being Caucasian (which means “white” where I live). They are seen as being white, but Europeans still hate them and don’t want them and their religion in EU. I’m writing this to point out that it’s possibly to be recognized as white but still seen as inferior/dirty/etc, while, as I understand, white status guarantees certain privilege in the US.
I had more in mind Black Africans who were dispersed
over the ‘Muslim world’ like places in the Mediterranean
world and beyond and perhaps as even as far as China.
This could be the case, but it’s unlikely. I don’t think there were black people here, nobody mentions them. Given the fact my part of the world properly met Africans only after the World War II, I don’t think it’s possible. Still, it’s an interesting thought. My husband is part Albanian, and perhaps part Gypsy (we’re not quite sure about this), so maybe he’s more mixed than we know, and that’s why he has “Beethoven” hair texture.
And to answer more recent posts:
And I don’t understand how albinism got into this conversation. Albinism has nothing to do with “white” skin. There’s no scientific way to tell exactly where human skin stops being “black” or “bown” and becomes “white”- it all depends on who’s looking. It has nothing to do with albinism.
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Would you like to offer a theory on how the White race/skin came about??
Especially as academia generally agree that White skin probably evolved as a result of migration to Europe from Africa.
Cheers!!
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I do believe original human skin colour was dark. No doubt about that.
Still, being light skinned doesn’t mean you’re an Albino. White people are not half way between black and albino, not in genetic sense anyway.
I think some people here often confuse “white” with “Aryan”. A typical Caucasian (white) person doesn’t have pinkish skin, blue eyes and blond hair- a typical white person has olive skin, brown eyes and dark hair. Blond hair and “snow white” skin is an extreme, actually- not a common trait. Blue eyes are rare- not as rare as among non-whites, but still rare enough to be considered “sexy and exotic” (that’s how they survived btw).
For example, I am very light skinned (even for a white person), but my hair is dark brown and my eyes are brown.
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Thanks!!
Without pressing this matter. This is what wikipedia has to say:
“The skin of albinos is similar to European and East Asian people’s skin in that it is depigmented relative to other populations. However, in white and East Asian people the ENZYMES that produce melanin ARE STILL ACTIVE and produce RELATIVELY SMALL AMOUNTS OF MELANIN to provide some coloration to the skin.
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With albinos, the ENZYME that produces melanin is DEFECTIVE, thus they produce VIRTUALLY NO MELANIN, which produces the palest skin of all humans.[30]”
There is a tautology in here somewhere
There is yet another tautology here methinks…
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people
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It still makes no sense.
Albino people don’t produce melanin at all. That’s why they don’t have it in hair or eyes. White and Asian people have less melanin than black people, but it’s there.
In other words: Albinos = no melanin produced. Humans in general = melanin is produced.
Like I said, there are many dark skinned Europeans, who have dark hair and brown eyes (Italians, Greeks…) Of course, their skin is lighter than African, but you can definitely say they have plenty of melanin.
Light skinned people often have light hair and eyes, but it’s not a rule (like I said, I am VERY light skinned, but my hair and eyes are dark).
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Albino’s do produce and have melanin that is why wikipedia says VIRTUALLY NO MELANIN, as opposed to no melanin, whatsoever.
And wikipedia goes on to say in the same continuous sentence
“The skin of albinos is similar to European and East Asian people’s skin in that it is depigmented relative to other populations. However, the enzymes ARE STILL ACTIVE and produce RELATIVELY SMALL AMOUNTS OF MELANIN
Hmmm!!…Not to worry
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@Aiyo:
Same here. How did we get from bw’s hair and the history behind it to melanin? *shrugs*
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I think there are several types of albinism, and yes, some of them can produce very small amounts of melanin. I think the problem is the enzymes you mentioned.
I think albino people can’t tan (can they?). White people can. Most of them have olive skin. In any case, you wouldn’t confuse a regular Italian or an Indian with albino person, now would you?
I am sorry, but I just can’t picture white people as being “borderline albino” or something. Especially given the fact that, i repeat, average white person has dark hair and brown eyes.
If we want to include animals, I had two hamsters (mother and a son) that had completely white fur, but their eyes were dark. They weren’t albinos.
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With regard to Aiyo and Leigh
Perhaps it may help if you both contributed to the subject and help keep it on track, if you feels that others are moving the topic from the desired position.
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Something must have changed on the genetic level of those Early European people who had di-pigmented to account for the maintenance of White skin within this theory.
Well, this and a few other expressions counts for it. No need to create whacko theories about albinos.
Its clear you do not see it as a mutation whereas others do. I think it is also unfair to refer to pop science articles when those writing it obviously know a lot more than you on the subject and especially from an African centred perspective too.
The thing is, J, I have some training in biology and I’ve read the research on this point. Now, I could be worng, but from what I recall (and remember I recalled “zebra” instead of “zebrafish”, so my memory is not flawless), there was wquite a lot of discussion at the time this research came out as to whether or not this was actually a mutation.
Given that most journalists who cover this sort of thing are real hazy on evolution and what a mutation actually is, it’s always best to go direct to the actual research. I very much doubt that the journalist who put said article together knows more about this topic than me. Sorry. Biology isn’t a pre-req for journalism: race, evolution and biology are all pre-reqs for my field.
And I very much doubt that the Penn State team that found these genes would describe themselves or their work as “African centered”. In fact, they go out of their way to try to AVOID having the hoi polloi take their work as “proof” that biological race exists.
The skin of albinos is similar to European and East Asian people’s skin in that it is depigmented relative to other populations. However, in white and East Asian people the ENZYMES that produce melanin ARE STILL ACTIVE and produce RELATIVELY SMALL AMOUNTS OF MELANIN to provide some coloration to the skin.
With albinos, the ENZYME that produces melanin is DEFECTIVE, thus they produce VIRTUALLY NO MELANIN, which produces the palest skin of all humans.[30]”
A contradiction in a science article on wikipedia? How could that be?! Wikipedia is supposed to be flawless!!! 😀
J, seriously: albinism is not at the root cause of white skin. The two things are not at all genetically similar. White people have considerable ammounts of melanin: albinos don’t. And, as I said above, you don’t get “half ‘n half” mixing an albino with a black African.
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Sorry Thad,…
As much as I would like to respond here.
I am not going to read this, no offence. I am off to bed – but more importantly, I do not wish to be seen in the same light as you, viz. as moving the topic from black hair to melanin he he he he
On second thought I will read it later, with no response
though…Its the least I can do…
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Wasn’t me who took it off-topic, though… 😉 Sorry for running with the ball.
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“Precisely. NO haristyle is natural, esho. Unless, of course, you NEVER pass a comb through your hair or wash it and just let it grow like God intended”
You are truly arrogant in your racial ignorance. The Natural is another word for an Afro. You assume way too much for someone who is not a black American woman, or well informed about black culture.
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So why do you think it’s called that, Esho? What do you think people are implying with that name?
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shea butter is great oyinhandmade ftw
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Lynette,
You do?! Great, because I’ve been wanting to ask someone what they think about the product.
You are one of tons of people who like the product (according to Youtube). I think I may give it a try!:)
What is the texture? Meaning is it heavy and rich or more of a light pudding?
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Lynette,
Thanks for the review! I heard that if you do not apply correctly, it is not as effective but did not know that you should not touch your hair until it dries. Thanks for that!
You texture appears to be more wavy as opposed to curly.
Am I right? I love your hair! Your hair seems like the type that works well with any product. Mine is a lot curlier than yours (as you can see), but I think that “mc” will be great.
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yes mineral oil is in miss jessie and it’s so expensive how can it cost that much and it has a cheap ingredient like mineral oil. Why do all the so called “black products” have mineral oil in them?
Oh yeah shea butter is great i mix mine with coconut oil and castor oil, I get sent loads of amount by my grandparents in Nigeria.
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In another thread, a young lady mentioned how she gets more attention because her hair is now long and flowy and that she gets treated better than she did when she had shoulder length hair. This is a eurocentric society so of course long flowy hair is going to be considered the ideal. There is nothing wrong with that. Have you ever heard some one say or have heard of someone saying that all her beauty left when she caught off all that long pretty hair? Well, if the beauty left that means it was never there. Beauty is about the facial features, not hair even though hair may add to the overall appeal of a woman, which is why I believe that the most beautiful women are the women who can wear short hair.
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@Shani:
Have you ever heard some one say or have heard of someone saying that all her beauty left when she caught off all that long pretty hair? Well, if the beauty left that means it was never there. Beauty is about the facial features, not hair even though hair may add to the overall appeal of a woman, which is why I believe that the most beautiful women are the women who can wear short hair.
I do, too. I envy those women who can carry off short hair very well. And with short hair, all you see is the face. If I had short hair, I’d look like a pumpkin head. lol!
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YES! I envy women who can pull of short hair too. When I cut off my relaxed hair I just looked so boyish. (Well I was wearing boy’s clothes at the time.) It just didn’t suit me at all I don’t have the face for it but my Mum she can rock it I think it’s becasue of her high cheekbones that she didn’t give to me, damn you DNA lol
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Mira.
With regard to your comment and our discussion some time ago. When you said:
‘A teacher once told my husband he had a hair like Beethoven. But my husband doesn’t have any black ancestry. And it’s not really kinky hair, thought it’s not something you’d call “typically European”- you can’t comb it with usual combs white people use’.
Whilst looking for something else on the net. I came across this. I had seen it before but could not remember my source, when we were discussing this point. So I ommitted it…
“Ulcinj in Montenegro had its own black community – descendent of the Ottoman slave trade that had flourished here. The Ottoman Army counted thousands of Black African soldiers in its ranks. The army sent to Balkans during the Austro-Turkish War of 1716–18 included 24,000 men from Africa.”
Source: African Slave Trade in Russia, By Dieudonne Gnammankou in La Channe et le lien, Doudou Diene, (id.) Paris, Editions UNESCO, 1988
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I never heard of Ulcinj black community. What you wrote is interesting. Anything can happen, really. It would be good to know (to take that gene test or whatever is called) and see what comes up. Too bad I don’t have available male relatives from my father’s side, so I can’t learn much about that part of my ancestry.
According to iGenea research, Serbs are around 30% Slavs, 20% Illyrians, the rest is Teuton (18%), Celtic (14%), Phoenican (9%) and there’s also a bit of Vikins. Where Turks come into play here, I have no idea.
Then again, this kind of research can lead (and does lead) to more animosity between Balkan ethnic groups, because each and every one wants to claim indigenous ancestry. In reality, however, no Balkan ethnic group is pure.
The one thing you need to understand here is that when you live in a place that is NOT multiracial, you don’t expect yourself to be multiracial. That’s why I assume my husband is white (like all the other people on the Balkans), not because I dislike the idea of us being mixed or non-white or POC or whatever you call it- but because everyone is assumed to be white. (Hope it makes sense).
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And about 6% of Ancient Greeks (there called “Hellenistic people”). This is interesting. But from as far as I can tell, it is used for heavy propaganda (on Balkans at least) so I am not sure whether people are ready for this kind of genetic results.
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hair is hair, who says black women dont have good hair, even with the harsh weather condition black women are still proud of their hair look,and what is it about black women shaving their hair,beauty is not all about hair,it about facial apperance,i really envy those who wear short hair. the best i love about africans is how they showcase their culture, african women do showcase their culture with how they wear their hair.
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Black women wear many different hairstyles.
I am a Black woman and have worn my hair in a short afro or shaved my head and worn the bald look since I was 22. I am 36 now.
I love wearing the bald look, I believe I have the feminine features to wear it, and my husband likes it on me.
I like to doll myself up in a sexy dress, perfect makeup, long dangle earrings and I wear a small nosestud and then go out to a club with my husband, dolled up wearing the bald look.
I wear a wig or headscarf at work.
My husband is a White guy who actually wears his blonde hair long and has a goatee beard.
My biracial daughter has nappy hair but not as nappy as mine (at least when I am wearing hair), and her complexion is in between myself and my husband’s.
Women should wear their hair how they like, whatever suits them.
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Cute. You seem lke you like your heritage.
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Janice
All women’s hair grows down except blk women.
That’s the silliest thing I’ve read in a long time. I really, really hope you were just messing around to get a reaction out of people. Many, many ethnic groups of Black African women have long flowing hair. West African women tend to have coarse hair while East African women tend to have looser hair. You tube Ethiopian woman…I know you’ve never left you small town/trailer park neighborhood.
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As a multiracial black woman, my hair texture has “changed” along with my skin and eye colour.
Now, as an adult, my short cropped locks are wavy. I used to used something called a hot comb, (many Indians used this and Africans I suspect), when I was young to straighten my long coarse hair to fit in. I stoped conforming around middle school and was teased for it.
I used to get many white folks who would ask me how it grew that way. They would touch it, without asking, and comment how soft and silky it was.
Africans have many types of hair textures from straight to kinky and every variation in between. And depending in where in Africa, I’ve seen blondes, redheads, brunettes and “silver” coloured hair.
My mom, Lakota and black, was a redhead at birth. Now she’s a full brunette, as am I.
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Actually, kinky hair is purely an African trait. People who do not “look” black but have kinky hair obviously are descendants of Africa. This is a fact because the oppisite is true. There are absolutely no people of African heritage who have naturally straight hair. The original Jews were African because Africa, as established, is the motherland of human civilization. Even Jesus was black! 😉
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I never wondered about the rag on the head in pictures of people who were slaves in the U.S. But that information is interesting and makes me view dress of that era for the lowest class in a different way. I wonder what other adjustments have been made to compensate for the lack of good material/goods.
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[…] Historically, hair was forced from elaborate styling and treatment in Africa to having little importance and bringing shame to slaves in America. It was not until African American women were given Sunday as a rest day that it became important for hair to be done again . Sunday became the day when the head wraps of the week were abandoned and hair was styled and combed, because of church (black women’s hair: a brief history: 1400-1900) . […]
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Hair and skin color and texture have to do with climate! African descent has curly and kinky hair because of warm climate and European and Asian has to do with cold climate. Latinos are White and Asian, they aren’t a seperate race. Light-skinned blacks are light because of European ancestry, probably from slavery and colonization in Africa. Asians have straighter hair than whites because they lived in a colder climate, like Siberia weather. The sun came out for summer and spring and tanned them. Their eyes are protection from the snow. Round eyes are for warmer climates. Afro hair shields the sun’s rays. Dark skin is a natural sunblock. Euro isn’t a mutation. Peace
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If you have hair, that’s good!
I question the authenticity of the information in this article. There was no photography back in the 1400 and 1500s; no paintings or drawings have been found of West African women. So I wonder where the author got this information about hairstyles of West African women.
I had never heard before about women having their hair cut as they became slaves. It would not surprise me, because this is what Adolf Hitler did to the Jewish women who were encamped during the Holocaust. It was for many years, the first thing that was done to all young women who entered a convent to become a nun. A woman’s hair is part of her beauty. But in all of the books I have read on slavery (I am an enthusiast on the subject), I never read this.
I have so many friends from West Africa. They do not wear any elaborate hairstyles. I see elaborate hair scarves designed from beautiful fabric. If this article is true, what happened to the women of West Africa that made them no longer do the hairstyles described and instead opt for elaborate hair coverings?
This article is interesting. But remember, folks, just because someone wrote it doesn’t make it true.
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Thank you Bulanik, I never knew that the “woolly headed negro”-concept, was not merely descriptive but was also used to dehumanize by some ape-haired guy.
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I had read that already before I wrote “Thank you” mind that Prichard, really had a two way defense against Browne’s idea.
1. Wool bearing animals often have hairy conspecifics, so the presence of wool cannot be used to divide Man in two species.
2. There are no humans with wool known to science.
http://books.google.nl/books/about/Researches_Into_the_Physical_History_of.html?id=J786AAAAcAAJ&redir_esc=y
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Well a Zwartbles sheep and a Barbados-Blackbelly are both sheep, and not so dissimilar in coloration either. One has wool, the other not. Conspecific just means other creature of the same species.
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I’ve read so many comments here about the “wool” issue. I think that describing black hair as “wool” is a compliment. Wool is soft, comes from a rather docile animal, and is very useful throughout the world. In fact, the Bible describes God’s hair to be like wool (Daniel 7:9; Revelation 1:14), which means that we, as Black people, are truly made in the image of God! Can’t get better than that!
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Im trin to learn bout my hair so i can grow it longer than it is it is a bit past my shoulders and i want to grow it down to my legs if possible so i need help
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wow…read al the comments. interesting thread. i think the op post was ridiculous lol…the posters put more facts out there. and for the ppl who think wikipedia is a legite site please…if u wanted you could go edit anything you pleased on wiki. the author of this post could have sited her sources. plagarizing isnt cute. sadly i have nothing to say about hair other than if its thick., shiney, soft its good hair to me.
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I feel that we Black women are the only group that have issues with hair. It is not a healthy place. There are people in the community who try to shame the women who choose to wear weaves or wigs for whatever reason that may be. there are some individuals in the Black community who try to shame and bully others for straightening or perming the hair, because they claim this is trying to be white. Which is so crazy. Then the people who straighten their hair frown on the ones that want to be natural. It shouldn’t even be this complicated. If some women want to wear weaves or wigs so what. People should be able to do whatever they want to do. If you want to perm your hair that’s cool too, do you. If you want to be natural that’s great too. We are all different. I don’t think there should be judgement on others for their choices. And lastly, everyone needs to love and care for whatever you were born with love the crown you were born with. And everone needs to do what works for them.
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*everyone*
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During the 2012 Olympics when young Gabby Douglas was competing. All the negative commentary in the social media was in my opinion shameful. I couldn’t believe that people were making negative comments about this young lady’s hair. This young Black woman was making history and all certain people could do was make stupid statements about her hair. That was shameful.
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@Mary
Well said. I agree. Black women should be able to wear their hair however they want to without criticism.
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Janice why does one have to be ashamed of what their genetics determined? Does it make you uncomfortable that a person can love every aspect of their being? Everyone does not desire straight hair and straight hair does not determine your beauty nor does brillo hair as you put it determine that you are unattractive. You ask the question “Why?” Ask God who made us all!
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More…more.
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There are non-Blacks who have kinky hair as well. Some Puerto Ricans, Jews, Latinos, etc….
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black women, I appeal to you, return to yourselves, remove the chords of slavery and colonization from your minds, return to nature, have locks, have natural unstraightened hair, it is the most beautiful gift you have. the African hair is unique, it is to be worn with pride and knowing how beautiful thou art. natural African hair is a crown on your head. please return to yourself, forget the weave, the world will not like you anymore with a weave and straight hair. love yourself, love your hair, love your Africanness, love your unique beauty, methinks African women are the most beautiful women in the world. When African women are natural, they are humble, they are compassionate, they seek to be useful in society and they care for others. when African women have weaves and straight hair, they tend to assimilate the selfish ways of the people who are not from Africa, where there’s no humility and no natural care for others. so, hair is related to manner, if you stick to your natural hair, you will become a better mannered person. it starts with me, I have thick natural locks now for twenty years, and my life is moving from victory to victory, no shame, no apologies. I love Africa and all it stands for. ladies of African descent, please join me. boom.
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@Nala,
This is the best most complete extraordinary appeal I can ever remember reading on this blog!
ALL People of African decent need to return to our old African roots/ways/culture.
Thank you for saying it so perfectly!
BOOM.
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Abagond, thank you.
Nala, thank you.
Black is Beautiful.
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Many black women who were enslaved had to cover their hair as a result of the slave codes/Kerchief Law, as well
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This is incorrect. Wrapping the head is from the Portuguese when they went to Africa, it has nothing to do with combing the hair or not. They didnt like African hair and ordered to either be cut or wrapped up. its a turban and doing so keep u also under this submission. You can even see it today in religion, the desire to manipulate and control other people. Wrapping the head is not style, dont let style fool u. Its the women wearing the symbols of slavery o their head. They need to take it off and show their beauty the way has made them. Unless your cold or lost your hair due to sickness, other than that, ain’t nobody going to influence me by vain beauty and let me cover my head.
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I have a curly afro and when I am among whites they keep looking at my head and I can tell they kinda back away. And I say to myself, good. Ike it ir not its here to stay just like urs and I wont cover it either. I am starting to love see the naturalness of our hair, nappy or not.
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When the Portuguese went to Africa, the blacks people did not cover their heads. So they use the bible and ordered them yo cut off their elaborate hair styles or cover their heads. Its not an African culture to wrap their heads. The people living today outside of that, if u look at them. You will see African before slavery. Wrapping is a symbol of slavery for the black people. Its not a style, its a mental weight and a burden.
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The head wrap sported by African women is from slavery. Its a symbol and remembrance of it. Your hair is your beauty. Send back the wraps to the owners the Portuguese. We live our hair no matter how kinky it is. You will not shave or cover my hair because u don’t like if, neither will I use slavery on my head as a style.
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I wanted to add to the discussion that the Australian natives Aboriginals who were believed to be mixed with Africa and Asians maintained straight or loose wavy hair texture within their entire population althought, many have very strong West African facial features the hair textures remains similar to Asians.
I don’t understand because most mixed races between african and whites can exhibit a variety of hair and skin colors.
Aboriginals may exhibit different skin shades but, not tight african course hair textures.
Austrialian being a very hot climinate as West African regions did not creat similar hair texture.
Some literature read illustrated that Asians has the most strongest dominate hair texture?
I also seen many mixed race Japan and black off spring with multiple skin shades however, similiar eyes with smoother straight hair textures as Asians but, not with whites and black.
This has created an believe that ASIANS especially, Japan, China or Korean process dominate genes with hair and many with slanted eyes although coloring might not be black but, with various skin pigments.?
I am an biracial female who has a father who is half Irish and Ukrainian. My mother african -American my sister fare skinned with smoother loose sandy hair but, not me i am glad my skin is light brown however, hair that requires straightening although, not very course but, differ from my sister.
I have seen many biracial children appear as i or with causian skin and hair.
However, many Japan Buddism members who were married to blacks that frequently, associated with my mother during meeting in late 60s children often exhibited different skin shades but, with similar slanted eyes and straighter hair textures with variety of colors.
Has any one else noted the differences and dominance with Asians, Aborigials compared to issues I illustrated within this post?
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I can’t believe this blog is still going on for over SIX YEARS! 🙂 Once you start chatting about hair and black women, the conversation will take on all kinds of things. Someone said something about using the Bible to make women cut their hair. Nonsense! The Bible says that a woman’s hair is her “crowning glory.” The only women who shaved their heads in ancient time were female priests in idolatrous worship. That is why the Apostle Paul told them to cover their heads when they converted to Christianity, because they were bald and he didn’t want the people to believe that shaving their heads was a sign of Christianity, but in the next verse he reminds them about their hair being beautiful.
As for hair texture, does it really matter? If you have hair, that’s good. If not, and you like hair, buy some, weave some, or let it grow if you can. I’m made up of many races, so my hair around the edges reflects my Indian heritage (from India), my hair in the back reflects my African heritage (very tight and kinky), and my hair on the top and sides is a mixture of I-don’t-know-what! No single style or method of management is good for me, so I do what I want, make sure I’m neat and clean, and that’s it. When I wore an Afro, it took over an hour of work every night to make sure it would be right in the morning. What a lot of time wasted on hair! I know better now. “Natural” wear is not good for everyone. For me, it would be horrible. Let everyone do what is right in their own mind. Black women – the epitome of variety! I love it!
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Even today a Black woman wearing her natural hair at work may get her sent home and disciplined.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/black-server-quits-restaurant-job-feeling-discriminated-natural/story?id=37728251
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Fortunately, this happened in another country. In America, she could sue and would win because her hair was kept neatly and out of her face (required in a restaurant).
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We need to love our hair.
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@Joycr
“Aboriginals may exhibit different skin shades but, not tight african course hair textures…Austrialian being a very hot climinate as West African regions did not creat similar hair texture.”
Indigenous Australians (Aborigines) are among the oldest living population on earth, more than 40,000 years old. Their ancestors left Africa before the Africans who eventually became Asians and Europeans.
They traveled east through Asia where:
The original people of Australia are more closely related to Asians than Africans.
http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2011/09/dna-confirms-aboriginal-culture-one-of-earths-oldest/
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No wearing ur head wrap is subordination control and is used to day on many cultures, identity groups and religions. This blog was poorley written. .u can go to Louisiana history archieves..and some of the ans can be found there.
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Very informing
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Interesting article. I often wondered how our ancestors dealt with hair back in the old days. As for the person who said there’s nothing pretty about kinky hair and calling it a brillo pad? That person needs to grow up! My hair is natural and kinky…AND beautiful! Been rockin’ a TWA for 30 years and will continue to do so till the day I die!
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Let just educate people. When Columbus arrived in Americas he wrote the pope about what he found. And I quote, it OK to enslave hams descendants. The whole world knows Ham’s descendants were said to be black. So who was the speaking about.
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The Negroud group has many great physical qualities. Hair is not among them.
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Interesting, yet white people are trying their hardest to obtain this negro quality hair among other qualities.
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@Yogibreeze:
Isn’t it liberating and invigorating to be able to spout your real views? POS.
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Not true. Sure, a fashionista here or there from time to time true to incorporate afro type hairs styles into their Cosmo regime. But let’s be real: so-called “Black hair” is globally and pretty much undesirable around the world across racial groups and extensively among Blacks.
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Yogibreeze
Actually it is very much true and is not a here and there thing. The average white woman crimps, uses perms etc to get that afro look. That is when they are not trying to dress or get those ethnic braids. In fact most fashionista’s are taking styles they saw on black people anyway. Usually styles that are old and they believe they can get away with.
Considering the natural hair thing….you’d still be wrong.
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Dread*
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Yes. I agree with you. Doing the “Black thing” is considered to be kind of hip and edgy and so forth among that crowd. What I adversely react to is when Blacks conclude that the “cool” Whites want to “be” Black. No they don’t. Defietly not. And many Blacks also wrongly take offense to what they see as these Whites stealing or appropriating “their” thing. That’s absurd. Rather, these Blacks should see this as a compliment or a reaching out or across the racial or ethnic wall which is good.
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Yogibreeze
The term wanting to be black does not mean what you assume it means. It simply means whites want the privilege of black features without the hardships that come with it.
Wrong again. The offense is not that they are wearing it. The offense is they make money off with out credit of it. They play it off as their own. Which isn’t good. Often times the same people “reaching out” are the biggest racist.
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I generally avoid TED Talks. However, I came across this 2016 talk by Cheyenne Cochrane on the connections between Black women learning to love their natural hair texture and learning to love themselves.
The video is embedded in a blog post on the site Textured Talk. The blogger, Charlene Walton, is a Dallas-based naturalista who covers many aspects of Afro-textured hair, including its care, politics and economics.
Ms. Cochrane described the response to her talk:
http://www.texturedtalk.com/ted-talk-addresses-natural-hair-and-its-amazing/
Also noteworthy are the audience shots in the video. Some of the audience was decidedly uncomfortable with her message. Very interesting.
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‘Good’ hair, ‘bad’ hair, Chébé powder hair!? How come Chébé powder hasn’t caught on, if it remotely works as advertised, it should be a billion dollar industry. Madam C.J. Walker’s granddaughter, Mae Walker, seems to have discovered something like Chébé powder since she had very long hair.
Finally, an honest, as far as I can tell, appraisal of what this treatment does.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vqodfPSVRg).
What do I care about ‘good’ or ‘bad’ hair? I don’t, I found out about Chébé powder by accident and posted this comment to see if anybody here knew more about it than I do.
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There were far, far, far more slaves from Africa taken to the Middle East. Most of the black people taken from Africa that went over the Atlantic went to Brazil or the Caribbean. Of all the blacks taken for the Atlantic trade, about 4% went to the US. Of these, less than 2% of Native Europeans owned slaves. About 40-60% of Jews did, and 30% or so of freed Africans did. Much of the industry was owned by Jews. Considering as how they are also trying to erase Native European culture – along with ALL culture, eventually, why are you surprised they tried to erase African culture?
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” Of all the blacks taken for the Atlantic trade, about 4% went to the US. Of these, less than 2% of Native Europeans owned slaves. About 40-60% of Jews did, and 30% or so of freed Africans did. Much of the industry was owned by Jews.”
More nutty antisemitism. SMDH!
Are Washington, Madison, Adams, Hamilton, McConnell, and Graham Jewish names? Or Jackson, Jones, Williams and Smith? No, they are not.
England expelled Jewish subjects in 1290. Spain expelled Jewish subjects in 1492. Portugal expelled Jewish subjects in 1497. Jews were not even part of the main European slaveholding populations when the Atlantic Maafa (catastrophe) happened.
Christian European responsibility for kidnapping, brutalizing and exploiting Africans to work for free in the Americas was and is very real. Trying to toss the responsibility onto “the Jews” is a weak and foolish maneuver.
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