Sandra Laing (1955- ) was a black girl born to white Afrikaner parents in South Africa back in the days of white rule and apartheid, of keeping the races apart.
It seems that her white father was her true father: blood tests showed that his blood matched hers. Sandra also looked too much like her brother Adriaan, who was white.
Although Sandra’s great grandparents were all white, someone in her family tree must have been passing for white, probably several people on both sides. Their genes came together in her. Most white Afrikaners are only about 89% white by blood.
The trouble started when she went to school. The white children called her names, like “blackie” and “frizzhead”. They hit her. The school did nothing to stop them: it saw her as the cause of the trouble.
For four years parents and teachers of the school pushed to have her kicked out. Then on March 10th 1966 the police came and took her out of the school: the government said she was no longer white in the eyes of the law but coloured (mixed-race).
For two years her father fought to have her changed back to white, taking it all the way to the Supreme Court. He won. But it did little good: few white schools would take her. Nine said no. Only a Roman Catholic school far away said yes. By then she had fallen too far behind in her studies and never caught up.
Very few whites would befriend her. Nearly all her friends were black. She felt more comfortable with blacks than with whites.
At 14 she fell in love with a black man. Her father pulled a gun on him and told him never to come back and told her that if she married him, he will cut her off from the family.
At 15 she married him and ran off with him to Swaziland where she became his second wife. Her father made good on his threat.
When she returned to South Africa she was forced by law to live in a black township, a place with no power or running water. Even worse, her children were not allowed to live with her: they were “black” and she was still “white”. She tried to get herself changed back to coloured so they could stay with her, but her father blocked it! It took her ten years to get them back.
Her father went to his grave never seeing her again. Even her two (white) brothers, who are still alive, will not see her. They blame her for their parents’ unhappiness: ever since she ran away they were never happy again. But she did get to see her mother in 2000 just before she died.
Her story was made into a documentary in the 1970s – which was not allowed to be shown in South Africa! It has also been made into a book, “When She Was White” by Judith Stone, and a British film, “Skin” (2009), starring Sophie Okonedo and Sam Neill.
See also:
- Skin
- Sarah Baartman – another South African woman who suffered for how she looked
- coloured
- biracial
- tragic mulatto
- white people
- David Myers: the black boy who thought he was white
- James McBride: The Color of Water
- There is absolutely nothing wrong with being black
Wow.. this is a really interesting story. I’ve heard of such things, but I don’t think I’d ever specifically heard of this case. I’d be interested in seeing the film made about it.
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This is the most insane thing I have ever heard! It sickens me the lengths some whites will go to hide the black people in their family tree.
As Paul Mooney would say
white people just like to look at their family tree because it you shake them loose a bunch of (n words) would come falling out
they would rather be related to a goat than a black person.
I weep for sandra and her struggle and love her at the same time for being so defiant
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This whole story is fascinating! Wow. I’m almost speechless after reading this woman’s story.
I see that you have a deep intrest in black/white offpsring, Abagond. Is it something that hits home for you? Or just interesting to you in a social way?
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I have not heard about this. Very interesting
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Wow.
This really showshow socially constructed race is.
Poor woman. She must gave feltso isolated.
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wow..THIS is really strange!!
so sad that she had to go through all of this becuse of some “genes” she didnt choose to have!!
this is really sad.
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Again, racism makes people stupid.
So, it is her fault she was born with black skin? Her brothers blame HER for her parent’s unhappiness, but not the racist, white supremacist society in which they lived? And that makes sense how???
This stuff makes me SO LIVID…
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I am interested in the nature of race. It comes out most clearly in stories like these. Laing’s story, like Danzy Senna’s “Caucasia”, shows how socially constructed race is, as Sanabituranima pointed out. And, like James McBride’s “The Color of Water”, Laing’s story shows how race goes against all common sense and becomes something utterly heartless and inhuman.
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chavilovin said:
So, it is her fault she was born with black skin? Her brothers blame HER for her parent’s unhappiness, but not the racist, white supremacist society in which they lived? And that makes sense how???
Her white school made the very same mistake – blaming her for the fallout of their own racism. It is part of the racist mindset, “stuff white people do” as Macon D would say.
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white people are a mess everyday.
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This is a very sad story, unfortunately such stories were frequent during apartheid South Africa. My uncle had to
1)straighten his hair
2)stay out of the sun (and use lightening creamto lighten his complexion)
3) speak only afrikaans (and not his native tonque zulu)
4) visit his black family (us) only during the day not after 21:00
5) change his surname to that of his wife
all this in order to be able to stay together as a family with this wife and two kids. One of the kids was born with very dark skin, when she was 4 years she was sent to live with partenal grandparents because she couldn’t live the her mom (who is coloured=mixed race)
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Found this on YT
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All I can say is WOW!
That is so amazing and sad at the same time. I’m South African and have never heard this story. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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i dont believe that is their child. she does not look a bit like either one of them.
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Yolanda DNA tests dont lie that child is belongs to them.
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In those days they did not have DNA tests, just blood tests. Sandra’s blood type and her father’s matched, but that is not to say that her mother was not having sex with another man who by chance had the same blood type as her husband.
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Blood tests are not all that conclusive. I don’t match either of my parents blood type. I match one of my grandmothers. I know a friend of my moms that has the same type as me, but we are not related.
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I loved the book. I am overjoyed that it is now a movie. My heart goes out to Sandra. I wish her well.
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I just came out of the movie, best movie in this year deserve an Oscar. The other hand I’m a white person but watching what white people can do other race is blood boiling, sometimes I hate white people many of them has the Hitler mentality………
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Thanks for the report on the movie.
It should make your blood boil no matter what your race!
Here the trailer:
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Saw the movie yesterday…Sandra Laing’s spirit, will, and determination to persevere is truly amazing! I must buy the book so I can learn the non-Hollywood version of her life story. Sophie Okonedo’s performance was truly awesome!
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“As Paul Mooney would say
white people just like to look at their family tree because it you shake them loose a bunch of (n words) would come falling out
they would rather be related to a goat than a black person.”
Yeah, sure, you know all white people. Thinking that all white people
would rather be related to a goat than a black person” is stereotyping, and this is racism.
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Jay Says:
Sat 19 Dec 2009 at 02:35:03
“As Paul Mooney would say
white people just like to look at their family tree because it you shake them loose a bunch of (n words) would come falling out
they would rather be related to a goat than a black person.”
Yeah, sure, you know all white people. Thinking that all white people
would rather be related to a goat than a black person” is stereotyping, and this is racism.”
No its called the truth, deal with it.
Quit acting like an “innocent angel” with all of the hatred you whites spew upon black people.
What Paul said was true also because you whites obsess over whether you are “Racially pure” or not.
Like the fools on stormfront you have to worry about if your acnestors were black or not all the time.
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NigerianStar,
it can’t be the truth, because there are plenty interracial relationships these days, maybe not a whole lot but that’s because people tend to be genetically biased towards their own race when it comes to partners, and not just whites or blacks.
And you can’t honestly tell me that black people only have black friends or white people only have white friends.
I don’t spew hate about black people, there are things that I will hate people for, but not for their nationality, skin, color, or race. I will hate people for being stupid or ignorant, probably more of the latter, but it won’t matter what race or color you are. Maybe you would like to see me say certain things about black people so that you can continue spewing your hate of white people.
I don’t know who this Paul is, but this is the first time that I have had to think about whether I “obsess about being racially pure,” so the answer must be no.
Maybe I don’t have black ancestors, but I don’t belong to those ancestors who lived during those ages when everybody was racist, I grew up among people decendent of people who were Latino, Caucasian, and African-American . I might not have any black ancestors, maybe I do, I don’t know my entire family tree, but I will admit that my uncle is dating and living with a black woman and her sons whom I haven’t talked to in a while, but get along with just fine.
One more thing, if I really hated black people then I wouldn’t be here posting this looooong message, because I wouldn’t give a damn. I also wouldn’t be reading about a movie about a black woman; which I watched by the way.
On another message board someone else said something along the lines of “The only way we can work this out is if we talk about it,” and I believe that, but that can only happen with an open mind.
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No its called the truth, deal with it.
Every last one of the bastards, huh Nigerianstar?
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It’s really shocking to me to see that some people truly believe that all members of one group are (insert any belief here). All? “All” doesn’t mean “many”, or “most of”; “all” means all, every single person, every single one.
So, by finding one person who doesn’t share the same belief, it would mean your theory is completely invalid?
For example, if you find one white person, just one, who would rather be related to a black person than a goat, it means that racism doesn’t exist?
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Doesn’t get as bad as this, a LOT of white South Africans can’t help themselves, they are so racist it’s pointless to reason with these people.
They’re the undisputed champion racists in the world, worse than the Aussies and Americans!
Another movie to check out is Sarafina starring Whoopi Goldberg. When I saw it I remember not wanting to see/hear from any white folks till I’d calmed down. It was so real, apartheid was eloquently portrayed.
I’d like to check out ”Tsotsi” as well but it’s probably another City Of God in that it centres around poor kids in a township.
South African History is too often told from a Western prism, too much of the black experience besides Shaka Zulus, Mandelas, Steve Bikos and Oliver Tambos isn’t often told.
After all weren’t we savages in loin cloths and shields and spears before the British and Dutch arrived. Weren’t our women walking around topless(as was tradition) deserve to be raped for being so wanton and seducing those white men?? Not taking away their contribution to Southern Africa but I wish white South Africans truly understood how the apartheid regime has destroyed so much in SA.
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the so called “whites” think too much of themself, my people see them as a bunch of smelly people and it is funny to know that they think “blacks” would want to look like them, i think that Sandra is lucky to look the way she does, she looks more better than her parents, at least that is my family,s opinion. I can,t wait to see the film.
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My heart goes out to this lady. She is another victim of evil racist white people.
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i dont think i have the guts to watch the movie since im a native south african coz i also suffered a lot from political vioilence as a child. im afraid it’ll bring back hatred and evil in me since im also trying to reconcile with the white folks. its however a great story to tell the world what went down here in SA.
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apartheid did lots of damage. i have to keep reminding my wife not say to my son ‘that white kid’ when she talks to him about a kid at school coz im trying very hard to delay my son’s ability of racial profiling.
i know he will be racially conscious in later years, but i believe a culture is best instilled when they are young. my son has friends of all races and i’d also not want him to see the movie coz then he will get confused. at the moment he dont understand that others are deemed to be superior than others.
if theres a thing called Hell, Sandra’s parents and brothers will burn there. How can u disown ur child coz she chose to be with a black man?
the Germans were a very educated nation, but they blindly followed a lunatic. just like the white folks followed their leaders. only God knows how such educated ppl get fooled into believing in such garbage as superior race.
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Yes there’s a special place in hell for assholes like them.
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My heart bleeds for what Sandra had to go through .I cannot imagine being seperated from my kids for ten years because they are classed as a different race . I hope that everybody watches the movie and see’s what it was like being “Non-White” during apartheid.We cannot comprehend the pain and suffering people went through,but we can learn from it. It is all behind us now and I hope that we open our eye’s and end the madness that is racism once and for all ,because believe you me ,it still lurks .
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Sadly, true South African history was omitted from the school curriculum by racist Nationalist whites. Read about slavery in the Cape Colony, you will find that 180 decades before whites used the term Afrikaner to describe themselves a clan of free blacks(manumitted slaves) were already using this term to describe themselves. As for claiming Afrikaans as their language – what a joke. Dutch verkeerd was a language spoken by West African, Indian and Idonesian slaves who were forced to only speak Dutch. So may stories to tell, so many great movies to be made about South Africa. The truth cannot be censored anymore.
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i never really understood why these ppl still go to church on sundays. dont they understand that they will burn in hell coz they havnt stopped hating other races.
why dont they just sit at home on a sunday nd enjoy the braaivleis rather than wasting tym attending this dutch reformed church.
reformed my ass.
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blacks are animal devils, they are inferior to ALL other races!
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Go to hell Euro man
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Euro man – Haven’t you learned that whites are animal devils and inferior to all other races? (sorry, I couldn’t resist.) What a ridiculous statement, regardles of what color you insert into that sentence.
LOL… I have to simply laugh at any statement touting the color of one’s skin as the definition of anyone. Still laughing….
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I’ve heard of this story. I have also posted links to Black parents having a white baby. (And no, I’m not talking about a light skinned Passe Blanc, etc… I’m talking about someone who one would never think had parents that were Black.)
This sort of thing only serves to further prove what I firmly believe: Race is an invented contruct and we are all Brothers & Sisters – regardless of appearance.
For those here that identify as Black and lump all people under one category and make blanket statements such as “all white people are” etc… etc…. etc…. are just as guilty as ingorant white people that would do the same by saying, “all black people are” etc………
The grand IRONY and paradox is that whoever participates in the use of such terminology is guilty of “prejudiced thinking”, thereby guilty of the very behavior that they would condemn… Is it just me, or is this not obvious?
Do not hate me for the color of my skin. It does not dictate the content of my character.
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It’s unbelievable to see the damage done by the apartheid system to this woman. She kept looking down during a whole interview which took her back to the school from which she was expelled. And even when she was communicating with the children who are now on that school she was so timid that it was painfull for me to see that kind of behaviour in a grown up woman.
She definitely looks like her mom on one of the pictures and even her dad lookes like some farmers way back of black and white decendant. He must have known something that’s why he went to great length to fight the system for classifying his girl as coloured.
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ColorofLuv says,
This sort of thing only serves to further prove what I firmly believe: Race is an invented contruct and we are all Brothers & Sisters – regardless of appearance.
For those here that identify as Black and lump all people under one category and make blanket statements such as “all white people are” etc… etc…. etc…. are just as guilty as ingorant white people that would do the same by saying, “all black people are” etc………
The grand IRONY and paradox is that whoever participates in the use of such terminology is guilty of “prejudiced thinking”, thereby guilty of the very behavior that they would condemn… Is it just me, or is this not obvious?
Do not hate me for the color of my skin. It does not dictate the content of my character.
laromana says,
Excellent comments, ColorofLuv.
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There was on DNA test done for paternity. No proof.
Long time ago they did an ABO blood type test. That is useless for paternity.
No DNA test has been done.
The Throwback Gene is a myth– often to cover up rape, infidelity, switched child etc.
She is not the biological child of those two parents. However they did choose her as their child and in that sense she was theirs, and should have been treated as such.
Touching, sad story but not a genetic oddity- science vs myth.
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Anna, poor anna,
A biological child can only inherit certain blood types- depending on your parents. An A + B, could have an AB child. But if your blood type doesn’t match up with what your parents can give you, you are NOT the biological child of both parents! Sorry, time to wake up & learn some science.
http://mistupid.com/health/bloodinherit.htm
Here is a chart to see if your parents could have had you as a biological child. Adopted kids are still the children of parents, just not biological…
Regardless of Sandra’s true biological parentage, she was mistreated and it is a sad story.
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I saw this movie today, truly awful!. She had a pencil stuck in her afro hair and asked to vigorously shake her head. If dislodged it would increase her chances of being classified as white. Asseblief!
I found the portrayal of white hatred towards blacks in Africa very very accurate. Sandra’s case is certainly not an isolated one. These people shunned their own flesh and blood and treated their black hired help little worse than dogs.
Sandra’s two brothers are visibly non white Abagond, albeit very pale, yet Sandra bore the brunt of her father’s prejudice.
It didn’t help that her black husband, a man she defied her father to be with, ended up abusing her! smh
I find some white posters here more interested in protecting their own rep to not be confused as one of ‘those’, as opposed to challenging and voicing their own feelings on this story.
One must take a very firm stand to condemn racists of your own color, as opposed to preaching to recipients of decades/centuries of racism, as one commenter puts it:
”Do not hate me for the color of my skin. It does not dictate the content of my character.”
Blacks can be racist with provocation, as my numerous visits to South Africa/Botswana have shown me. Whites are adored, even welcomed to this day in Southern Africa. A courtesy they do not return in Europe. Only they are responsible and have soured the gentle nature of the receptive African.
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Wow. I would love to see it. Is it on DVD?
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I’m not sure, I saw it on one of the BBC channels. It should be though. Another scene that resonates is having to put money on the counter because a white South African refuses to take from a black hand!
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I don’t think the love the father had for his daughter could be doubted, and cursing the family doesn’t help at all.
The father fought for what he thought was best for his daughter with great determination while he never questioned the authority and the legitimacy of the racist system he was living in.
He won against the system, but the victory became a curse for the daughter. He couldn’t let her go, but she ran away eventually. He vowed never to see her again but he didn’t disown her.
Should that man burn in hell ? … i wonder
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Should that man burn in hell ?
Im sorry disowning your child because they married a black person and then blocking her from living with and being a mother to her children is just evil. I hope hes burning as we speak.
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He did disown her. Up until that moment he seemed to be acting in what he thought was the best interests of his daughter, but not afterwards.
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But i read he left some money for her in his will.
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article6725566.ece
(toward the end of the text or just search the word “will” three times).
Of course he was a racist guy , oblivious to the racism of his own community. But i beg to differ with the pending damnation of this man. His obliviousness condemn him and redeem him somehow.
What i wanted to point out with the numerous contradictions of this flawed character is that I doubt he has ever considered his daughter to be a black person.
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Of course he treated his daughter as a black person, how could there be any doubt? Setting her up with white suitors that abused her and called her a ka***r yet he persisted, perhaps he hoped bleaching the color line would save Sandra, bleaching her with skin lighteners hadn’t worked!!
The moment he realised all was irretrievably lost was on the courtroom stairs, when Sandra revealed she was carrying her black lover’s child. He chose to let her go than face any continuos black progeny in his family. Sandra wanted to come home years later, according to the father on condition that she and her black children live out at the back, with the servants he treated like dirt.
As for leaving money for her in his will, doesn’t mean much, heck an old NY socialite named her dogs as beneficiaries in her will. What does that prove??
Excusing racist people as a product of their time is the biggest cop out.
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Tch..
So i guess he’s burning in hell , now
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This story and what the girl had to go through put tears in my eyes when I first heard about it. Whereas me and my brothers and sisters often thought we had a bit of a struggle to go through, it’s really nothing compared to this.
On the realistic end though, ie. genetics, there’s nothing particularly mythical about it. Although our mother is ‘only’ half African half European and our father 100% European, my brother has many features of our grandmother who was 100% African. He is darker and has frizzier hair than my mother. He usually goes through as ‘black’ everywhere. In contrast, my baby sister is almost pale in winter and has wavy, almost straight hair. They have many other features in common though. Both have the annoying habit of smacking really loud when they eat and make irritating noises in their throat before going to bed (from my father). Both grind their teeth during thrilling films (from my mother). Both gesticulate the same way when they talk, love the same music and move the same way when they dance and walk (mixture of both parents). They are both impatient and get upset easily when they drive (from my father)…
Shame really that so few people are interested to concentrate on the more subtle kind of traits as opposed to just choose to look at the visible.
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I don’t think there’s any way the guy on the right was her biological dad.
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Yeah right, and would you say the same about a black British who recently had a blue eyed blond baby? They are Igbo Nigerian, dark skinned to boot!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1296159/Black-British-couple-birth-white-blue-eyed-blonde-baby-girl.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo
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This will make a block buster movie! Tight story line. Pleave hollywood do something!
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This will make a block buster movie! Tight story line
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first of all white people origionated from blacks, every race in the world has. this is the lord’s way to show we all are one people, this isnt the last of this type of phenomenon, as the years pass you’re all going to see some things pertaining to race and dna that’s going to rock your worlds and leave racists speechless, put on your seatbelt until christ returns, it’s going to be a long ride.
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What many people don’t realize about about race & color is that the differences came from the different geographical regions represented. Humans, just like any other species, adapt to their environment. It’s no strange coincidence that people closer to the equator where it is hotter are darker-skinned with thicker hair than those further away from the equator with less exposure to the sun. We all originated from the same people, but as people migrated to different regions, they had to adapt physically to their surroundings to give them a better chance of survival. Why is it that darker-skinned people are less likely to get sunburn or skin cancer than fair-skinned individuals in a same region? Even with no race-mixing involved, after about 100 generations or so a couple located outside of their original geographical region can produce a child that represents the region they are currently in. Sandra Laing was born to 2 white parents in South Africa. Had they been in Europe or some other Nordic region, she may have still been white. The black Nigerian couple that had a white baby were in London, a place where people were originally white. All I can say for Sandra Laing’s parents is if they would’ve stayed in their original homeland instead of coming to South Africa to conquer & dominate the black people well they could’ve kept their bloodline “pure”.
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>>What many people don’t realize about about race & color is that the differences came from the different geographical regions represented. Humans, just like any other species, adapt to their environment. It’s no strange coincidence that people closer to the equator where it is hotter are darker-skinned with thicker hair than those further away from the equator with less exposure to the sun. <<
Ooooh, sorry. But thanks for playing.
That Lamarkian theory has been thoroughly debunked. Evolution doesn't work that quickly. Nor do climate differences make enough difference to make that difference. Racial differences are purely a matter of inbreeding as groups migrated to different areas, not environmental selection.
In fact, researchers in the human genome project now believe that racial distinctions may have occurred as recently as only 6,000 to 8,000 years ago…close enough for the event to have become verbal legend.
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my whole paternal family were “play whites” in South Africa they are all a great deal whiter looking than either of the laing parents but all have bantu/slave ancestry.You’d be hard pressed to find a white south african who didnt have at least one slave stamouer in their tree,the colony just didnt have many euro women intially.The only choice was slave women and half-slag/half caste women.
http://www.stamouers.com/Slave.htm
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Question for anyone from South Africa (or anyone else):
Are you aware that, as bad as Apartheid was, blacks in SA still were better educated, had higher incomes, and had the highest standard of living during Apartheid, than blacks had in any other country on the African continent?
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essbro:
Wow, that reminds me of what Robert E. Lee said about blacks in America in 1856 when most were still slaves:
“The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically.”
So like the civil war was Completely Unnecessary and 360,000 Americans died for nothing.
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@ essbro
Yeah, and Hitler made the trains run on time.
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OK–a fair comparison that I expected.
No denying that Apartheid was just plain wrong, but it had to be better than alot of black-controlled countries where black dictators in Armani suits slaughter blacks by the thousands.
After all, opportunities were better for blacks in SA. That’s why more blacks entered the country during Apartheid, than fled the country. Being colder and more desolate, it was one of the most sparsely populated areas on the continent when Europeans arrived but soon began to increase in population, and not just Europeans.
Am I exusing Apartheid? Hell, no! Just adding some perspective (yeah, a white perspective).
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Yeah, and Hitler made the trains run on time.
I thought that was Mussolini.
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Yes, Wickedsweet, and Abagond as well…making blanket statements about white people is a GREAT way to move ahead…not…
TIBER: You heard that? Stop being un-racist, they don’t notice. We might as well ALL be racist if they’re going to make blanket statements about “white people” instead of “racist white people”.
**** Paul Mooney. He doesn’t know **** about white people, he’s just another angry ghetto rat and he should shut his mouth.
I do not condone racism, but if non-racist white people don’t start being recognized as such, there WILL be an increase in it. And dont’ tell me “you don’t care” and then complain about racism from whites. You DO care, obviously.
Lets just say I wasn’t racist 20 minutes ago. After reading this hatred aimed at ME? I now hate blacks. I feel like they all want my head on a steak. So now my chances of, say, becoming a corrupt cop, murdering an innocent black man, and getting away with it are WAY up.
I have no hope: NO HOPE of redeeming what the REAL racists did before I was born.
In turn, I become one of “the racists”.
You blacks are a very hateful bunch. I suggest you grow up, hating whitey will only lead to a prison cell. MLK was a better man than I was. Do I have black blood in me? Maybe, I could care less, I don’t give a DAMN about the “white race”. I give a damn about ME. Since I have white skin, you’re talking smack about ME and that’s bull.
There is no “truth” its just stupidity, just a bunch of ghetto neer-do-wells who probably sell drugs and mug old ladies to prove how “hard” they are to their friends. Educated black nationalists are really no more educated than a common gangbanger. All they are is angry black men, lashing out at an entire race.
I wouldn’t lash out at an entire race, that would mean people like MLK being targeted and that’s just not right.
Too bad black people can’t point out individuals like “MLK” though. They only see “black people” and “white people”.
APPARENTLY black people are too stupid to understand that “all white people” don’t condone the actions of every other white person.
That’s probably because black people really DO function as a group and they have no differing opinions within their culture. Is that true?
NigerianStar: Just another mugger/rapist angry black man who belongs in prison.
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Also I should add, weather I “deserve” my head on a steak for being white or not? DOESN’T MATTER. Human survival instinct trumps suicidal self-hatred.
Either we all get along or NONE Of us get along and we can go right back to Apartheid. Your choice. Its MLK’s dream or death to ALL. Do you choose “death to all”?
Stop saying that “white people are born racist and need a reality check/education”. When I was 3 I didn’t treat my black friends any different than my white friends. Racism is LEARNED.
A bunch of holy rollers from the 1800’s don’t effect the beliefs of a liberal white kid, growing up in a liberal family with adopted black siblings.
Once that white kid reads this blog and see’s how much black people hate him? That’s where racism is LEARNED from. The white kid will feel scared, like all black people are out to get him, from fear comes racism, from racism comes oppression. And you DON’T want oppression.
So that white kid, who would have worked from Amnesty International, or who would have worked for a charity that works in a poor black neighborhood, will instead, after having learned racism from what was posted on here, will become another stupid, ignorant, racist violent white cop.
I realize that racist white people are the inspiration BEHIND the anti-white racist talk on this thread.
Do you people (not all black people, but maybe it is all black people who think “white people this” ‘white people that”), but do you REALLY want to play pin ball FOR ALL ETERNITY??????
How stupid can you people be not to see the full picture? Not to see how this is harming you directly?
Its either MLK’s dream or its “hate, hate, hate, hate, hate” forever. Either accept whites as equals and accept that NOT all white people are racist,
Or live in a world where all white people ARE racist, and where those racist white people make you hate all white people through slavery, segregation, etc. It will NEVER end if you people have your way, is if all you want is eternal conflict.
You need to educate yourselves BIG TIME cuz if “all white people” were REALLY racist ummmm lets just say black people never would have been freed from slavery and you wouldn’t be here typing this vile crap up now you’d be picking cotton in a field somewhere.
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OH REALLY?? REALLY??? I’m obsessed with a purity of my race? OKAY!!!!
*Throws away his book on MLK and puts on a hood*
YOU did this. Not me.
Some racist white people from back in the day made you “hate all white people”. Not me.
Thanks for telling me that I’m racist though. Like I said might as well not try.
Since EVERY black person on this blog is telling me that I’m racist.
I don’t see every white person on this blog making blanket statements about entire races. I literally have not seen one black person post to say “wait what? WTF are you talking about white people are liberal as **** they dress like black people, listen to black people music, etc.”
The white man is the ULTIMATE savage race. Remember that. Don’t **** with us it won’t be pretty.
Once again, two choices: MLK’s dream, or death to the world! The choice is yours, black people. The choice is yours.
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Jack Norris wrote: “The white man is the ULTIMATE savage race. Remember that. Don’t **** with us it won’t be pretty.”
Thanks for the heads up, Jack. It’s appreciated.
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Hmm. It seems as if Jack Norris has gone off the deep end. lol! 😀
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Sounds more like drowning in the shallow end…
Grow up Jack. Stop pissing your pants, and grow a pair. So somebody said something unflattering about White people. If you were Black, you’d have to deal with racial put-downs as a fact of life on the internet. At least go after the actual person who said it. No need to paint yourself as some kind of racist hand grenade who’s so fragile that the slightest insult will pull his pin.
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Backing away while pointing at Jack…
This man does not represent us!
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This was an extremely sad story. I think white South Aficans have one of the most disgustingly evil racially oppressive history in the world. Possibly even worse than the Euro-descendants of the United States
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@The Cynic
Yeah, South African oppresion is like the American version compressed into a quarter of the timeframe.
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Hey Jack, are you that ‘actor’ who starred in b grade action films? And Jack, let me give give you an example which proves we do not hate white folk. Something you’ll understand(I hope). On a starry night….oops, I mean take women for example, espeacilly married ones. They will complain until they are blue in the face about their husbands. They will regale you with stories about what an a##hole he is, leaves the toilet seat up, throws his clothes on the floor, in general a useless twat. However, when you suggest that they leave these a@@holes or divorce them, they will simper, ‘but I lovvve him!’ And then turn on you for suggesting it.. Well Jack, this is something similar without the simpering “but I love them part”, more like letting off steam. Good day to you sir!
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Jack said:
So whites were not REALLY racist from 1865 till the appearance of my blog?
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Jack wrote:
“Once that white kid reads this blog and see’s how much black people hate him? That’s where racism is LEARNED from. The white kid will feel scared, like all black people are out to get him, from fear comes racism, from racism comes oppression. And you DON’T want oppression.”
“Usually the black racist has been produced by the white racist. In most cases where you see it, it is the reaction to white racism, and if you analyze it closely, it’s not really black racism… If we react to white racism with a violent reaction, to me that’s not black racism. If you come to put a rope around my neck and I hang you for it, to me that’s not racism. Yours is racism, but my reaction has nothing to do with racism… ”
Malcolm X
Jack, this is the Internet – Information Highway Age. There is simply much information on the internet (and this blog) to further your understanding on this most complex issue – that is if you actually want to have your understanding expanded.
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I’m married to a white man and his parents/family do not want to meet me or to know me because of the color of my skin, is that FAIR? I’m pregnant and his parents do not want anything to do with the child, is that fair? Hopefully the child will look more white, and if years to come, love her because she is their grandchild. I cried watching “Skin” because my child may not know her grand parents/family because she is 1/2 black .
And to Jack Norris no one is pure, all the slave masters slept/raped the black slaves and because of racism we have blacks passing as whites.
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@LivingLife
You have to do just that – live your life. If the grandparents choose not to deal with their grandchildren that is their loss not yours.
In this day and age it is still very difficult for some whites to deal with IR marriage and relationships. You can’t change that.
You have to live your life and if the biological grandparents dont want any part of the grandchildren then they will be the ones missing out on the fun.
Your child shouldnt have to miss out on a wonderful life because some people are smallminded and can’t see past color and race.
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@ livingLife
Don’t hope your baby will look more white, just love her and teach her by example that people should look past race and at the person. By hoping that, you are perpetuating the line of thought your husband’s parents have.
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The evil continues in so many people. You can see it in how Pres Obama is disrespected. I just stumbled onto this film on Netflix and learned Sandra’s story. I’m so glad this movie was made and hope it will be used to teach high school classes about the history of apartheid and the evils of racism. It is going to take time to change the world. I wish it would happen faster though because my grandson is mixed race and I don’t want to see him or any other children being damaged by discrimination. Sandra is a real hero, she deserves all the best in life and I hope her brothers someday are able to do the right thing.
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The film The Wooden Camera, goes into the white, South African having Black roots theme a little bit. It’s an excellent watch!
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I’m just so maddened by the sight of this beautiful woman whose self-confidence was totally crushed by those apartheid NAZIs. So mad!
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Jack (in a box), it didnt take much to bring out the racist in you. Wow…all that hate just waiting to spring out….gotcha!
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After reading all these comments, I am saddened to see so many people filled with negative beliefs and hateful thoughts about other people. Most people in life are doing their best to live their lives the best they know how. Yes, some people are mean and hurtful to others,,, we should feel sorry for them. They cannot enjoy their own lives while being that way. I feel sorry not just for Sandra but for the whole family that lived in an environment that caused them so much anguish.
When as the human race will we ever see people for who they are and not what they look like. There is only one race…… human.
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@Lin— As an African, I must state very clearly that we don’t need you to feel sorry for us; we demand justice, period. Sandra, and millions of others declared as non-white by the criminal apartheid regime didn’t. Give us any thing, anything at all but your pity. The anger is totally proper. To think Holocaust killers and collaborators are still being hounded out of their crevices and all we Africans are expected to do his hold our heads down while the likes of Lin feel PITY for us. Yuck!
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Ndiya,
I was implying that it doesn’t matter what race any of us are….. I feel sad for all of humanity that engages in hate towards others….. why can’t we all see and realize that there are bad and good people is every race and walk of life…
I am wondering when you use the words “WE don’t need you to feel sorry for US” are you referring to a specific race? We must get away from dividing ourselves by race….that should be the goal… as I said before there is and should be only one race…. Human.
I certainly didn’t intend to offend anyone. And all evil people should be punished for their deeds.
I am curious if you live in South Africa and experienced this first-hand. I do not and certainly have no real idea what it was like living there. If you are from there I would enjoy having more conversations so I can learn. I do believe that the more we can learn from others the better people we can be
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my heart goes out to ALL my brothers and sisters EVERYWHERE…i am black, raised by a white man. this man has done soo much for me over the years, and never backed down from the ‘race’ questions. its true that pride comes before a fall and that we all need to be aware of it. i just saw the movie ‘skin’, WOW. there’s nothing to be said, but in our daily lives we can do something to show our individual character. to the readers and writers…stay up! peace
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Please don’t blame “whites” as racists. You need to be more specific
“British whites” maybe, but not all whites.
And which whites claimed South Africa?
Then, which whites today are victims of gangs. Gangs are usually made up of which Nationalities? Usually Hispanic, but many black.
Some Asian. Yes, white supremicists gangs. But, do you see them in Africa? In So. Africa maybe? But that’s not the problem of all whites is it?
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Most of you are not dealing with the real issues here. I watched the movie and I was moved to tears. I just want to say that, this movie was sad on two fronts: On Sandra’s side (because of what she had to endure) and also on the parents side (it is sad to see people so attached to an ideology that finally leads to a sad, unfulfilled life and breaks up their family). They were the adults and they allowed this to happen but they may have been victims themselves of course. I say this as a Black (East African) person myself because I know the beliefs that the state (South Africa) perpetuated were so strong among the white citizens. It is important to realize that we should not blame the parents but the state. The parents would also have had to live a “tough” life if they had embraced Sandra and her husband. This story is sad in many ways and I just wish that the solutions would have been easier for all parties involved.
What I cannot understand is why many Whites continue to perpetuate this ideology that they are superior to black people. I am a university professor and it amazes me that sometimes I have students who I feel also hang onto the same ideology. I have often felt sorry for these people because they come across to me as inferior. Think about it, assuming I honestly believe that I am smarter than someone else, would I go at great lengths trying to prove that I am really smarter or better than them? If that assumption were honest and one that I hold true, I would in fact keep this to myself and make sure that this person has added advantage if I have to go head to head with them on a quiz, a game of chess etc. The idea that we would believe we are smarter or better than someone else and then spend the entire time trying to further take the person down, tear them up, enslave them, kill them by all means, just goes to prove that we do not actually believe what we are perpetuating and it is nothing but hate.
It is said that racism came to exist less than 400 years ago. It happened with the tribes or people of Northern Europe (excluding southern European – Italians, Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese etc) rose to prominence as a civilization. People need to realize that this was done for economic purposes to exploit others, especially those that are from cultures that have been known to be friendly and welcoming. Thanks to the harsh treatment of Africans in diaspora, African American, Jamaicans etc are not as meek as Africans remain to this day. They have lived in societies where they learned that if you act tough, you will be respected. I have often thought that the best way to deal with the problem of racism is to fight it with racism. Africans need to united, stand up and be proud of their race and even if it comes to violence, they should not hesitate to unleash it. I have often wondered why we look up to leaders like Mandela that have let criminals walk because of “forgiveness.” Africans are the only forgiving culture and that is why they have often been taken for granted and made to suffer for so long. Look at it this way, if Mandela was a white man, he would never have been a hero. White, western culture does not reward “weakness” like we do. The problem is we have never really avenged for the ills that were committed against us and yet we are happy to leave it that way. This is wrong!
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This is seriously a sad movie, whilst watching it I could feel tears running down face:'( My heart goes out to Sandra & for 1 her husband ended up not excepting her. One of the best movies I’ve watched in a while and it really touched my heart 🙂
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I saw this last night. I am amazed because I thought that recessive genes were the light genes and got really interested in how this came about genetically.
Here’s a conversation stopper. Tell anybody who is spouting any kind of antiblack talk that all humanity originated in Africa and every human being on earth has DNA that indicates black ancestry–no matter how far back. It would be nice if everybody were able to embrace that and have a color-blind world, but we won’t until we truly start judging people as people and realizing how diverse we all are.
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The results showed that Mister Laing could be her biological father, but did not prove it conclusively.
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I watched the movie based on Ms. Laings life and then sat down to read the comments. I have to respond to all the white hatred I am reading in these posts. People need to be reminded that many if not most white people are fighting for racial equality. The parents didn’t seem to be motivated by a hatred of black people rather a hatred of the society that segregated them from their daughter. They held a fierce determination to protect their daughters rights including the right to go to school. Many fathers would become angry if their underaged daughter ran off to become a second wife to an alcoholic and abusive man. I am very sad for Ms. Laing and her family. I believe they were all hurt by the laws of the time and I wish them well. Thanks God for change!!!!
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@Lulu
I have to respond to all the white hatred I am reading in these posts. People need to be reminded that many if not most white people are fighting for racial equality
I urge you to step back a moment and read some of the other blogs on here to get a more wholeistic perspective of what you call ‘white hatred’. It has been said many times that it is not ‘white people’ as per say that are ‘hated’ but ‘whiteness’ and all that is wrapped up in this. I cant recall which post it was on now but abagond talks about working towards hating the ‘sin’ and not the ‘sinner’ and this is loosley what is meant by ‘whiteness’ here.
I also recommend you look at the comments on here by white people – these are a revelation in terms of inner fear and bittrer hatred.
On balance, your other comments regarding the Laings seem to show an objective and honest almost innocent response and I echo your sentiment here Thanks God for change!!!!
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Was her mother tested? She looks to be about 60 years old in the picture.
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Ignore my comment above.
Sad story but I feel for the white parent as well and not because they had a black child but because they had a black child in S Africa. Whites should never have been in S AFrica unless they were ready to assimilate or commit genocide. That’s really the only choice when any two races gets together – the melting pot theory of the U.S. assumes the races will intermarry but perhaps instinct is stronger than rational thinking.
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that many if not most white people are fighting for racial equality.
Where and who are they?
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I am American and I would say in America white people are fighting for racial equality. The American civil war is just one example of white people fighting and dying for equal rights for all people. I fight everyday in small ways. Through what I teach my children and by treating all people with respect.
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Hey Brahms.
In America we are intermarrying and I am proud of my family tree.
Father Native American and French
Mother English and Irish
My siblings married
Jewish
Mexican
White
and I married Japanese.
Several of my cousins married African Americans.
Its all good!!!!
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It is sad that there is so much racism, but whites cant make black with out having some black put it them…lol…at some point. Only the original people can make all colors. The mother cheated on the father- one of the parents parents was a passing black. Either way it always sickens me to hear this sort of hate and garbage. However, I expect but still dont except it.
Sincerely
Paula D.
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Holly Crap!! “You people” are insane!! ALL of You, for spending so much of your time with each other, arguing back and forth, caring who says what! Caring about who’s grandma did what to who’s grandma….(for those speaking on overseas issues, Africa ect.., this doesn’t apply)….except for the person who says that Mrs Laings could NOT be their daughter…good grief…? And that white baby isn’t that black lady’s…? or the earth could NOT be round…? Or (at the risk of bringing religion into this), God didn’t…?…?…? pick something…..?!?
I must say, your comments have kept me entertained and I would like to offer my olive branch (or words of “wisdom”) to all races, for I too have been wronged by those who have judged me by the color of my skin and not for the content of my character (yes, classic – I know).
But, do you really care about my story? Do you think you can tell it [my story] by looking at me? Do you think I can tell your story by looking at you? No, probably not. But I can, by reading these posts, and for those who are angry at me for being “white”, or for “stealing”/marrying a black man and daring to not care for “you peoples” opinions about my interracial children….oh, wait….where was I going with that…Oh yeah…WHO CARES!! And for those already pissed at me for saying “you people,” I’m referring to “racists!”
It amazes me that you would want to spend the short time you have here on this earth angry at “me!?” – also an analogy for all of us (black/white/green and gray) that you dislike for no real (personal) reason. You do not know “ME.” What wasted energy…and although you say “your” not, I know those who are.
Holly COW people!! No!! Not EVERYBODY (white/black ect…) did/does EVERYTHING (rapes/kills ect…)!! There are good decent people throughout history, and just because there were white slave owners, that didn’t mean they ALL raped or murdered. Some chose to become slave owners to better the lives of the slaves. To try and help. Yes, there were those who were not there to “help” but they were not “ALL” (100%) bad/evil/rapist. If “I” HAD to live back in those days I would have spent every last dime I had to buy as many slaves as I could!! Wrong of me? lol, Why? cause you don’t know me. And even knowing how some people would judge me today (as some of your are doing now), I would have STILL bought slaves to do what I could at a chance to do what was wright and humane disregarding your words of ignorance for assuming you know all! …. I’m pissed too, SOME white folks made ME look bad!!…Oh wait! I’M NOT THEM!!!
Come on people, we all know there were some good white people. People who helped Harriet Tubman with the underground railroad. People who risked their lives and died in battles and wars over what was right (freedom). I don’t understand how “ALL” could EVER be in someones dictionary when speaking of one (any) specific group.
Jack….??? WTH?? LOOL!! You may have had some really great points, but you KILLED it with the destine of HATE?!?! There is nothing “I” have read here that will make me hide under a sheet and kill my husband because of his skin color, or teach my kids to hate half of themselves!!?? I understand the aggravation, but Relax! You only validate hate by more hate. Let them hate. (Like Kat says, try and get 15 more by summer – that’s Haters). How could you let someones stupid, simple comment change your world so greatly that now you hate ALL “blacks” after only 20 minutes of reading something!?!! Some of these folks just try to poke at people to piss you off cause they have nothing better to do or are themselves ignorant. (I am on school break, so no, I have nothing to do either – hence this long reply) read it or not, I will still sleep well.
I would like to change the world with a great big color blind-hug; feed the hungry, cloth the poor, fix the broke, and enlighten the lost, but i’m positive I can’t do that alone, and until the world stops being so damn mad at each other, we will continue to be lost, and bitter, and racist, judging others and hating those we don’t even know.
It will be a long time, but one day, my children’s children will realize the racist comments (from ALL races) will fade into distant memories and in history books and everyone will (basically) look the same. Until then. I will continue to try and protect them from ALL of you (lol, jk, SOME of you).
Anyway, love thy neighbor like your brother, they might just be.
It isn’t where we’re all from, but rather where were all going that matters.
Last but not least…God help us “ALL!”
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Ops…forgot
To the one who said something about, “white ppl and goats”…LMFAO!!!!! Thats actually pretty funny!?! I’ll tell you what, I have several relatives I’d gladly replace for a goat but it “aint” the black ones I wanna trade!! You can have Uncle Earl for starters!!
To my girl with the bi-racial kid and the “stupid” family members…you can not make them love what they don’t…and you can not waste YOUR or your babies time trying to!! YOU be there from your baby no matter which shade he/she decides on!!! Been there, done that! Amazing things happen if you don’t push to hard. Be patient. They may come around. But don’t worry if they don’t. You are all your kids need! And as far as it being fair..?.. life’s not fair; we just try to keep it pushing, try to be happy and pray like hell we are doing whats right! Whether that baby is midnight black or casper white, being healthy is first and foremost…THATS what you hope for. I know it sucks to have the mother-in-law not “like you”, been there too…but again, be patient and most importantly, just be happy!! Congrats and best of luck!!
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“What I cannot understand is why many Whites continue to perpetuate this ideology that they are superior to black people. I am a university professor and it amazes me that sometimes I have students who I feel also hang onto the same ideology. I have often felt sorry for these people because they come across to me as inferior. Think about it, assuming I honestly believe that I am smarter than someone else, would I go at great lengths trying to prove that I am really smarter or better than them? If that assumption were honest and one that I hold true, I would in fact keep this to myself and make sure that this person has added advantage if I have to go head to head with them on a quiz, a game of chess etc. The idea that we would believe we are smarter or better than someone else and then spend the entire time trying to further take the person down, tear them up, enslave them, kill them by all means, just goes to prove that we do not actually believe what we are perpetuating and it is nothing but hate.”
Thank you professor, this right here was so thought provoking and eye opening for me. I’ve tried for years to understand what it is that’s behind the white superiority “complex”. My experience was usually that people who bully and put down others aren’t happy within themselves so how would that make one superior. “The only excuse for looking down on someone is to lift them up”, that is if you have a soul.
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Your funny. Your looking down on people you assume are a certain way (white?). You should not be a teacher since you are racist.
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This movie was great but I seldom cried throughout it, It was hard to believe that this was true but the more I watched it the more I knew this had to be a true story because of the harsh way that she was treated so sad story but glad she stayed strong and made it through the pain
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I believe she is their daughter. I have a friend who doesn’t look like his parents, he looks Asian and his parents are whiter and have lighter hair but one of his grandparents was part Philippine. Another friend is very white, she and her bother, and her parents are darker and have black hair genes can be so crazy! I think the same might have happened with Michel Jackson’s kids… who knows but I do think she was their daughter.
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I am very suspicious of the “throwback genes” theory. Blood tests are not DNA tests, and DNA tests were not available at the time of this case.
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Very interesting true stroy even touched my Heart, am very sorry for the sad news she’s not with us today. I would like to follow the story and watch the movie.
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blood type is not a dna test. This is BS, her mother either was raped or had consensual sex with a black man
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*sighs* all these people here debating whether or not her “parents” are her actual parents because of how she “looks” vs how her parents “looks.” You guys have some serious issues. Basing your judgement on whether or not she and parents are biologically related on LOOKS alone??? Are you freaking kidding me?? What makes you different from those white people who would not let Sandra attend their school because of how she looked? You just spouting baseless opinions about people you don’t know.
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DNA testing was NEVER done . Only blood tests . I don’t believe she is their child .
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Sandra Laing: a black girl born to white parents.
This story has a great effect on what still goes on in South Africa everyday, many still have to accept that we all are people/humin, with different cultures & traditions, colour has no boundries.
The sooner we realise that we all have 1 thing to accomplish in life is to love ourselfs and our neighbours. Lets be coloure BLIND!
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Lmao @ MerriMay “the undisputed champions” omg dead wit laugh!
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The innocent female was rejected by her own father and victimized by dumbazz people because of who she is.
I would think that biracials or multiracials are treated better than those of a single race (e.g. white or black). But, maybe they are today than they were in the past.
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I hardly think that they are treated *better* than monoracially identified persons either today or in the past. The main problem is that they challenge the definitions of people for those who think in fixed categories (which are most people).
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It amazes me the treatment of whites on their own flesh and blood.
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She should have stayed home there was always love there for her,,,
Now I bet she lives with regret,,,,
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very interesting story to read how Sandra lived the apartheid era, very shocking story and sad to hear how she suffered all those years. i hope one day the brothers must came to senses to recognize their own sister in life.
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I have seen the movie Skin and I was rally sad to see that this happen to the girl in the movie. Of all places for her to be born black “skin color” to white parents during apartheid and in South Africa I know the movie only show alittle of what she had to go through in her life. When I watch the docomentary about her now you can tell that it still has an effect on her. I’m happy that she has children and a husband that loves her. I wish Sandra the best and always remember that God doesn’t make any mistakes Sandra was put here for a reason. Best wish from: Sandra T.C.
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What is the silly issue with color? Don’t we all have the same body parts? People with no brain think they are superior. Only God almighty is superior.
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Technically, it would really matter if the mother actually had “an affair”. If that were the case, she was consciously allowing her daughter to suffer under the circumstances of the racist Apartheid regime. I personally think she was unfaithful but stood up to the other side of the story because she was scared. She was basically a coward who wasn’t willing to sacrifice herself for her own daughter. Though I have to say, it would not have made a difference in Sandra’s life. She would have still been classified as black and would have undergone the same cruelties. Her life is an example of how cruel people can be.
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To the skeptics or otherwise strongly minded people that seem to have difficulties relinquishing long cherished ideas, I say I understand you. It is more easier to explain the world in Black and White. Fear not, changes are good for the human race. I must say that some have a strong point saying that DNA were not available at that time therefore the paternity result is not valid. But let us look at similar cases that are more recents and less publicized. But before I give my sources I would suggest that ALL, if possible, learn a foreign language so that your vision shutters may open wider. This is suppose to be constructive criticism as it seems to me that so much of your world is revolving around the Anglo-Saxon’s realms or English speaking countries; that you miss the Greater World picture. The world is a village. Seek diligently and you shall find answers to questions in other settings.
Alright, I will give you my sources. They are in French.I know i know , but try to have it translated and in the case of the American example, find the same article in English.
the first article is from the huffington post. Keith and Catherine William, TWO WHITE HUMAN BEINGS had an Invitro boy. the baby came out BLACK. Why ?because the donor WAS CAUCASIAN SOUTH AFRICAN.
The other article is about a french couple BOTH WHITE CAUCASIAN HUMAN BEINGS(both with blond bleu eyes ) had a BLACK BOY. The husband did not believe his wife. BUT AFTER DNA TEST it transpired that the great grand dad of the HUSBAND and probably in her family too (expert agree that genes can manifest themselves up to 10 generations) had an affair with a black lady who gave birth to a simingly WHITE CHILD (with blond hair and bleu eyes). The mother had died during birth. The baby was sent to the father and married is fellow white skin wife and had white skin human beings. But then again read it for yourselves !! The bottom line is, it is possible.What’s more important today it is much more publized! We live in a world were the news are availabe more readily. It happened in sueden too and in other countries but than you guys would not know about it at least the majority because you have the language barrier.
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Oh.. forgot to give the links here they are :
http://archives-lepost.huffingtonpost.fr/article/2009/06/17/1581263_un-couple-blanc-a-honte-de-leur-fils-noir-pre-concu-in-vitro.html
http://www.maxi-mag.fr/emotions-a-partager-jai-donne-naissance-a-un-enfant-noir_20_a1889.php
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Simple she was banging a black man and y’all know it, she had him over there bustin’ up a chifferobe.
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This is beyond tragic.
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OK, no offense meant, obviously, but clearly you have no idea how all this works. Two points:
1) Blood type tests and DNA tests are two very different things. I see a literally hundreds of people on various blogs and in YouTube comments use the terms ‘blood test’ and ‘DNA test’ interchangeably – you can’t do that
2) It’s not weird that Sandra looks like her brothers, they both came from the same mother, DUH
I’m sorry but until a DNA test is done with her brother, I believe that Sandra Laing is the baby of a black father and a white mother. Either her mother was raped or was engaged in extra-marital sex, and kept it secret in both cases. It’s a tragic story nonetheless but it bother me how so many people do not know the actual facts and have no simple basic knowledge of the difference between blood type tests and DNA tests.
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If you look at her siblings, they look mixed but to a lesser degree. Her younger brother in particular. Search the net, I found pics of the family. There are a few pics of her mother and she actually appears to have some mixed race ancestry.
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@germanmoviesenglishsubs WOW! I initially thought the same thing but more of the mother had an affair. The ideal of a Caucasian woman being “raped” as you say in SA w/o saying something during that era, never! He would have been tortured and killed, like Emmett Till. DNA was done on both parents b/c they went to court in SA to deem her a Caucasian & b/c the mother bore her, the courts took DNA from the father; proving she is his biological daughter. The only sibling that looks 100% Caucasian is her elder brother & its clear that her younger brother, Adriaan also appears to be mixed but not to the extent of their sister. Don’t allow your unconscious passive bias aggression think the mother was “raped” or had an extra marital affair with a dark SA. ALL civilization came out of Africa.
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Yeah I’ve already siad this a million times to people but here it goes again. There was never a DNA test done, There were no DNA tests back then. They did a blood type test and a blood type test is not a DNA test.
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she looks nothing like her so-called white dad…her eyes are different from both parents, her nose is not the same as either parent, her features are not similar to her “dad” at all. She has the same air brows as her mom, but we all know that IS her mom. The question is if that man is her father, and most likely he is NOT.
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its all lies and bullshit
if both are white the baby will born white because of the genes of both fathers
when white woman gives birth to black baby she has cheating on partner
like asian women cheat on husbands and boyfriends with whites because if they get pregnat will born a mixed asian
if she cheats with black when baby born his black and bot white or mixed yellow and white
all women who has black or white babies they had cheat
no background genetics its all bullshit and lies
50 years people called Albinos today we are more prepared for detect and know whos the real father
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Wow, I have just watched this woman’s testimony and I like somebody else said, was shocked by the way she looks – shy, frightened – she must have been traumatised (as I’m sure hundreds of thousands of people) by the apartheid. But she also has amazing courage, determination and also lack of bitterness – despite what she’s been through.
What shocked me even more were some of the comments – not to say the whole debate – below the movie. Eveyrone kept talking about “races”, but there is no such thing as several “races” in humans. There is just one single human race, or species, a.k.a Homo Sapiens, which is the only remaining species of the Homo genus. Homo Sapiens may present different physical (height, skin, hair, eye etc.) characteristics, due to fuzzy sets of genetic traits. A number of physical traits are also partly determined by the environment in which these individuals live – just as for psychological characteristics (but to a lesser extent). But they are all part of the – one and only – human race.
All this talk about “race” is a nonsense – and has been scientifically proven for decades. I really thought that everybody knew this. “The Race Question”, a Unesco report pointed the erronous use of “races” for the human race as early as in 1958.
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What a load of BS, so you wanna tell me that Michael Jackson’s white kids are his as well, this woman had a relationship wit a black that’s all!
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Lots of people here using the “blood tests don’t equal DNA testing” to discredit the fact that this beautiful woman is, in fact, their child. Just convincing themselves that something of this sort could never, ever happen.
Perhaps they’re afraid of it happening to them. Imagine a happy white couple suddenly being gifted a black child out of their loins and their genes. Wouldn’t take long for accusations of infidelity to take place, though.
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From what I can discern evenfrom photos of Sandra Laing as a child, she actually looks much more like her father than her mother. However, by comparing more recent photos of the now middle-aged Ms Laing’s to the childhood photos of her with her parents, it is hardly any task at all for me to see the resemblance between her father and herself, especially in regards to eyes (though hers are more ‘hooded’ in appearance), facial length, and the shape of foreheads and ears.
Going by Sandra Laing’s appearance, I would say that one or both of her parents may have had some distant Khoikhoi or San ancestry.
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Hi I have an urgent question and was hoping that maybe someone here could provide me with an answer (and source)
The situation is as following: a white dutch couple have adopted a black son when he was a baby. For 16 years they have raised him in the Netherlands.
At one point the father is forced to move to sourth afrika due to his job and he takes his whole family with him
what I want to know is whether by law the family would be forced apart eventhough they are not afrikanen.
Is it that the brother had to be separated completely from his family?
I know they cannot go to the same school etc, but I’m talking about home situation. (Whether the adopted son can still live with his family).
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The girl is NOT her “father’s” child.
We were instructed NOT to intermingle, intermarry with other peoples than our own kind.
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There is a difference in a DNA test, and just merely a blood type test.
The races should not mix for everyones sake.
My husband met a young man who was white/black. He had features of black and white. He told my husband, it is the cruelest existence being interracial. Neither black or white accepted him. He ultimately ended up with a black woman. He had white features, but had the kinky black hair, looked somewhat light…he definitely looked mixed, and he hated it. My husband felt sorry for him. Staying with one’s own kindred is the best for all.
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“He had white features, but had the kinky black hair, looked somewhat light…he definitely looked mixed, and he hated it.”
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What he probably hates more than his mixed race appearance is the mistreatment he receives from racists who think that because he is mixed race, he should never have been born.
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There are full African-Americans and mixed, and there are these folks in our racial group of African heritage who hate being black and even mixed, but this hatred is based on our mistreatment mainly by white people; but the grater number of us who are mixed with African heritage enjoy who we are. The people with African heritage and who have near black skin hate it overwhelmingly more than we who are identifiable brown and lighter skinned, but again it is all based on racial treatment that is negative. That, is just the way it is until more generational changes take place amongst white’s to change that dynamic of self-hatred.
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All humans are derived from the same family tree, that of human. Jehovah, God Almighty made certain we all came from the same original family couple. The outward differences we see today dating back to when God confused the one language that humans spoke prior to what God caused to happen at Babylon. Humans separated by language at Babylon and spread over the surface of the earth. This separation caused language tribes to exist from which there was much inbreeding.
This inbreeding over time began to show distinct features of which color was the most dramatic. The creation of major language groups at Babylon was done because of the gross false worshiping, not to create racial groups that was secondary to the creation of major language groups. With all this said and knowing the true history of how distinct groups of humans came about, developing major outward physical features, does not take away from the fact that all humans are of the same Family Kind and that out-breeding would produce continued variations amongst humans.
There is no forbidding by Jehovah of humans marrying whom they pleased (man and woman) producing offspring with varying outward features. People who want to forbid African-Americans from marrying other people of non-African heritage do so on a racial basis, but it is not objectionable to Jehovah, God who caused the Bible to be finally written for all humans.
Marry whom you please as long as it is between man and woman, and never let any human tell you it is wrong. Man did not create man; God created man and woman and never has God Almighty forbid humans to do so, and it is what God says that counts.
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My heart goes out to this woman (and her family). I cried. All I wanted to do was hug her. You just have to love her and her spirit.
God bless her always.
Oh wait! am I allowed to say this? I’m one of those evil white people who just wants to bring the black man down.
I’m white skinned and part Sub Sahara . DON’T judge a book by it’s color..
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I also felt very sorry for her.
Our history is full of racial hatred-since the British Collonial days-they started it.
Even the murder of Piet Retief and the white babies at Bloukrans was racial hatred -so wrong…its coming a long way.
Why could the british not be happy with their own land … and the french and the Zulus .
All Mysteries and we can now luckily enjoy all through money making movies -to make us feel guilty or whatever .-because that sells!!!
What a world!
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Whites really dealt with d black i wonder what right they had over d black they took d blacks for their slaves tortured them brutally took most of their mineral resources at the cost of nothing…..sincerely speaking when ever i go through the history of africans during colonization i get excessively bugged,infurrated realy these whites had the nerve to do all these if i had a gun and was around during dat time i mean it i would have thrown caution to the wind and shoot any white i see:-@
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If Sandra Laing was born in Europe instead of Africa this story would seem more credible.
Where did the white race come from? Well, I believe thousands of years ago the dark people of the earth separated the light skinned babies from the dark skinned babies and then breed them(just the light babies) at puberty. Like the baby in the video below………………………………………………………………………
(http://youtu.be/npg_rXMaOoU)
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George Ryder
I never heard of Yacub until you mentioned him and it was Adam and Eve who messed the world up for all of us.
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George Ryder
If, in fact he was serious, I’m still not convinced that the people would give their children (light skin kids) to this man (Yacub) unless he was a king. The demon possessed or dark skin kids? Maybe. Anyways, I’m not sure if Yacub was a phantom or a real person?
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Interesting
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I’m not racist, but because of such stories (unfortunately) the Black Racists hate me, because I am White, even if I am not a Racist. So I automatically stay away from Blacks, because they hate me, because someone White did something to a Black.
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At least angry blacks have a reason historically. They hate what was done to their ancestors for no reason. It’s the racism they hate, which happens to be linked to your race. There is bound to be some distrust leftover. We’re only human and racism is still around. Btw, ‘did something’ is putting it a little lightly.
Why stay away from blacks? Just treat them as you would any human being. Do unto others, ya know :). Many have their guard up but those walls are brought down by kindness. We know best what it feels like to be hated and looked down on, seemingly by the whole world and most of us are trying to stop the hate, not extend it to other races.
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Thanks dear! I love hearing from sympathetic white folk!
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I also can believe that those are her real parents. In my own family and extended family I see instances of dark skin genes seeming to skip generations. Same with light hair and eye genes, but people accept those traits to be recessive. Skin color is actually supposed to be controlled by something like 16 different genes.
There’s a documentary about race in Brazil where they do a DNA test on a professor who “looks” white and comes out about 10% Black.
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now hold up do not put the zulus in the samelight as the european invaders the zulus united the south african region to go against the british or any other colonist , the zulus fought with other ppl in their region because other ppl did not see the vision behind unification , so shaka zulu mentality was “u either get down or lay down “
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I truly believe that GOD (JESUS ) made different color people just to let us see our own ignorance, Look how dumm some people really are, they surely don’t love God don’t be fooled by them in thinking they do.
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I’m not going to say it’s impossible but was the truly proven? Why Afrikaners would want to pass off a black child as their own is unclear. Covering for infidelity with a black woman and saving the wife’s honor? In a world with someone like Rachel Dolezal it’s hard to take everything at face value.
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It was a British movie… Why can’t I find this information through Google even when I type in a specific name Sandra Laing? And in the movie it said that is was based on a true story and that it is a common occurrence in Africa. Why can’t I find any other accounts, books, or records leading to this type of information? I am sure before DNA testing people just passed this off as a rape case or infidelity but after Sandra’s case it should have paved the way for other recorded incidences. It is very sad that humans can not accept their own children because of societal pressures and that the children grow up living with the extreme circumstances.
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When I read this article I felt very sorry for Sandra Laing. But after reading the comments that were full of racism toward whites I began to realize that there are reasons why these situations occur. It seems to me that many non-white people are so full of hatred that they blame every white person for crimes that were committed by only a few. This type of behaviour promotes racial tensions as it is designed to fuel a fire. It only proves to me that whites and non-whites will never be able to live in harmony. To hell with multiculturalism, if this is the outcome.
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I have known about Sandra’s life for a while. There are many tragic stories like hers. At the moment, wanting to comment, but feeling very stymied and overwhelmed with emotion.
This is Not to downplay Sandra’s life , but there are still many walking wounded in this ‘post’apartheid.
Thinking of Sandra now and hope that she has found some healing.
I am also thinking of David Myers.
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Reading through some of the comments, where some have questioned if two white parents could give birth to Black/ Coloured child, I would say yes.
(In the South African context ‘Coloured’ not have the same connotation as in the USA or the UK . It is a racial classification that many (not all) accept as denoter of mixed ancestry. I was classified as Coloured during apartheid , which I wholeheartedly reject).
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On the flipside,this is my story.
Like Trevor Noah’s mother, I was a bit of a ‘maverick’ and had a love affair with a white man ( of Irish descent , for those commenters who will chuckle at this). This was post apartheid.
To fast track, I became pregnant and we both thought our baby would have my skin colour and perhaps some of his features.
I loved my baby before she was born.
She took my breath away when she was born – she was White! I have heard the odds are one in ten? million.
Now for some dark humour- had this happened in apartheid, first , the police would have taken their duties very seriously, and would beat me up and arrested me and slapped my ex-partner’s wrist for contravening the Immorality Act.
My daughter would no doubt have been taken away from me . Although she has curly hair (blond) she had straight black hair when she was born I do not think the pencil test would have been admininistered as her physiognomy ( although she looks half/half like her parents) looks ‘white’).
When my daughter was born , her paternal grandmother and uncles wanted nothing to do with her. (Because they refused to see her. )The comedy is getting better. They changed their minds when her father showed her to them and saw she was ‘white’.
Imagining we are still in apartheid, my child would have been stolen from me from the very people who wanted to have nothing to do with her. How can Bo*sman/K*fir have a white child? I would have had to live in a Coloured area. And my dauģhter in a white area. The only way I could have seen her , was to get a job as servant to the family! Or never see her! I don’t know.
Back to when the world is not so mad. Even though I had no friends or family or help in Cape Town, I had left him when our child was a month old rather than his psychological abuse.
I have been a single person and parent for most of my child’ s life.
I love her more than life itself and would die if anything happened to her.
But it is not easy. And it does not help matters at the moment that she is a mouthy teenager who thinks that her mother was born yesterday.
The other day, she came home and told me she identifies as white. Oh! I thought perhaps bi-racial (even though I don’ t like the word that much. ) This comes at a time when I have become very Black conscientized and want to have very little to do with the white world.
And to answers the commenters’
question if it is possible that two white parents could have a Black child: should my daughter one day want a family and if her husband is white, then yes, her Khoisan, Asian, Xhosa /Zulu genes could be apparent in my grandchild!
And I would love her/him.
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I think you should be more sensitive to your child. She is half Irish and when you have decided to discard anything white you are discarding a part of your child. She is probably rejecting you in response. Also, be honest about any grandchild you have. You will love them no matter what genes are expressed in their appearance, and if not then you have to face up to the fact you are lacking as a person.
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Thank you for sharing your story.
It may help somewhat to keep in mind that teenagers are at a stage of development where they are trying out different identities and working through a slow process of figuring out who they are. What she says today may not be how she feels tomorrow, much less 20 years from now.
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@bb
Thank you so much for your advice as an expert psychologist .What qualifications do you have ? As a white person could you please unpack how you raise your child/children in a non-racist environment and what efforts you have done to understand your privileged position and how you have imparted this to your child/children?
When you do that , then perhaps I will heed your pop psychology and character assessment.
( To let you know something about my character or lack thereof, I do not put much store to white moralizers. They are of nuisance value).
Now read about Sandra’ s efforts to get to get her children back and what their grandfather (white) did to sabotage it. Did you know that if they were to have stayed with their grandmother and grandfather, they would have been treated as servants , like dirt?
That was partly , my flipside side reference (by using hypothetical grandchildren ) to the way that Sandra’ children were not even acknowleged by their racist grandparents. They were despised and hated for the colour of their skin. Comment on that.
I don’t have to explain anything to you about how I raise my daughter.
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@Solitaire.
Thank you for your comment . I will reply with a though out response later.
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The pictures of her babies are super cute.. Depending on when she had them, they would be about my age.
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Trevor Noah’s book “Born a Crime” addresses many of these issues. A recommended read! It’s crazy how the South African apartheid system was designed, and was sadly effective.
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stone good writer.
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Well, Sandra Laing..I cascarcely believe it all…. I am a mother of a Boy and Girl and grandmother of 6yr old girl who ironically resembles you at six yrs. even your is smiles are similar..so your story is touches deep in my heart. I have to mention that
until I read this document about your life Sandra, I did not believe Whites are so igmorant and illiterate in history about race and love to an innocent young child – their love capacity, clear to me now, appears just skin-deep. A nation reaction to ‘a Six year old, Just six? that made me shed tears..they even impacted ignorantly on your education. Anyway, I am pleased you are blessed with all your own children and grandchildren to share your love with together. God is great onto your every wish, dream and favour, always there caring for you all. So great that everyone in the Universe loves, cherishes and respects you and your family. Keep your faith, you and your family. Its great. Please remain the strongest… love of all. With warmest & greatest bedt wishes to you and all your family from me and all my family.
Bless you always x
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When Sandra forefathers went to Africa they went with out their women and could not contain themselves,so they turn to the black women and had sex with them hence years later this happen. I Love Sandra she was the through back from way back.it just show what Savages the white race was.her brothers should be ashamed of themselves look how loving and caring she was as a child looking after them,it looks like the racist attitude her father has rubbed off on the brother’s .Sandra your children are beautiful,you have gone through hell and back,but you have come out smelling of roses.
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You’d have to be special needs if you believe this . The only time it ever happened was in apartheid South Africa . Use your heads . You cannot get dominant genes from recessive carries . It is biologically impossible . White come from black people. Not the other way around . It’s like a pit bull giving birth to a grey wolf .
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@ John Doe
You raise interesting questions but some of your assertions are questionable as well.
Which dominant genes? Which recessive carriers?
Let’s begin with the genes.
Are you asserting that the genes related to skin color are dominant when defining darker colors in humans and recessive otherwise?
The last time I checked, if a Black person mates with a White person the offspring will appear with a skin color in-between. Similarly, the curling of hair will appear in-between. Where is the dominance?
I know that in certain societies those offspring are classified again as Black*, but this is a social classification and dependent of society. In the society where I was born, those children are seen as mixed-race specifically, in this case, Mulattoes, this is neither Black or White.
Regarding the question of “recessive carries” (I think you mean: carriers) if the photograph at the head of this thread is correct, and what we see is, from left to right, mother, child and father, then the only conclusion** I can take is that both or one of the parents are White by appearance but probably mixed in fact, and this why their child could appear the way she looks. By the way, this is something that people in certain societies see all the time happening (think about Brazil where the mixing process is generalized, as an example).
Your mistake is looking at appearance/phenotype and presuming the genome of both parents. You can be deceiving yourself.
Another piece of information: the so-called Whites of South Africa are descendants of various groups of European colonists, going back to the 17th century. Along this large period of time they were not able to live by themselves alone without mixing here and there with the native population of the place. Their Whiteness is partially real and partially a desire/dream of purity in the sense of being unmixed. In reality there is a certain amount of non-European genes (? why I don’t like those words ?) in their gene pool. This is why the Sandra Laings of this world appear! To their disappointment…
P.S.:
*Black mating White is different of “normal” Black person mating an albino Black person. Because the specific genetic information that defines albinism is truly recessive (differently of the case of people with fair – but not albino – skin) you got a phenotypically albino person only if both parents are albinos themselves. Otherwise the offspring will be a “normal” Black (or other racial group) by appearance, even if eventually carrying the albino genes (paired with “normal” ones) in their genome.
**Another possibility is obviously that the woman cheated the husband with a man of darker complexion. This could be possible, but in an environment with harsh social punishments against mixing of Whites and non-Whites, a White woman would really think many times before going there. A White man could possibly mate with a woman of another color – and forget about the offspring eventually, or relate to the child in secret – but a White woman could not.
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She never did a DNA test just a blood typing test, which as many others in the comments point out, is not at all conclusive as it just says that so and so COULD be the father. BUT so could 10 to 20% of the other men of the country of all races. It is not conclusive at all.
And since she looks black it’s really doubtful that she is that man’s child, her mom had a affair or was raped, or maybe it is his but it’s from a black woman…
Here’s the thing with genetics. Light skin colors are recessive to dark. A black person can mask light skin genes and those can match up to make a light skinned child with another black person who also has those hidden genes, but whites can’t have dark genes…if they did then guess what? They would be brown and not white.
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Too many people in the comments are basing their opinions on an elementary school level understanding of genetics.
The expression of phenotype in humans is not solidly dominant/recessive, and it is often polygenic. For example, eye color is determined by the interaction of over a dozen genes. Even blue eyes are not a simple recessive trait, despite what children are taught when being introduced to Mendelian genetics.
Likewise, light skin color has been linked to multiple genes and alleles.
It is scientifically possible — rare but nevertheless real — for two blue-eyed parents to have a brown-eyed child. It is possible for two light-skinned parents to have a dark-skinned child. All it takes is the right combination of the multiple genes involved in phenotypic expression.
This article goes into more detail about Sandra Laing’s specific case:
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/interracial-sex-or-mendelian-segregation
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@Solitaire She never did a DNA test so it’s not conclusively proven she is from these two people, there are millions of other men in South Africa that could be her father. The blood typing test only said that the man in question is not eliminated as a possibility. So stop acting like it is a proven fact that she is a so called “black girl from two white parents” – The bigger question is why has she not done a DNA test up until this day when they have been available for three decades now. Or maybe she has but it ruins the money train from the movie and books and she is a Mulatto whose mom cheated on her dad.
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@ Juan
To determine whether he was her biological father, she needs more than a DNA test on herself. Think about it; you can’t determine a baby’s paternity by just testing the baby.
Because her father is long dead, she would need a close relative, preferably a male, to consent to being tested. She has two brothers. Comparing her DNA to theirs would answer the question once and for all.
Only problem is, her brothers won’t consent to the DNA tests. They won’t even speak to her. Probably her brothers are afraid of the results. Adriann in particular looks very much like her. He has lighter skin but the same tight curly hair and similar features.
If she had a DNA test done on herself alone, it would show a certain percentage of African genetic heritage, but it would do nothing to tell us who her father is.
We already know that her mother’s side of the family eventually confirmed they had some mixed-race heritage a few generations back. Her mother looks White in the photos because of her specific phenotypic expression, but she was not 100% White and she was carrying genes that in the right combination could result in a much different phenotype.
Her father, despite his White appearance, could well have been part Black just like her mother. I can tell you didn’t read the link I provided that discussed how this works scientifically, and how many “White” Afrikaners are actually part Black.
That article also raised the pertinent question: If her mom cheated on her dad, under apartheid as it then existed, why did he even stay with her instead of getting a divorce? Much less go to enormous efforts to keep his daughter classified as “White”? When doing so would draw attention to the family that could possibly have resulted in all of them being reclassified as Coloured (which under apartheid would have negatively impacted every facet of their lives)? Why take that enormous risk unless Sandra really was his biological daughter?
“So stop acting like it is a proven fact that she is a so called “black girl from two white parents”
I don’t believe I ever said or acted like it is a proven fact. What I pointed out is that it is scientifically possible. If her brothers weren’t racists and cowards, we could actually find out through DNA testing whether they all three have the same biological father.
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