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		<title>Comment on National Geographic nudity by jefe</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 13:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did u collate any statistics? How much could you investigate? For example, how about &quot;tribal&quot; people in central Asia, or the Arctic?  How far away from &quot;civilization&quot; do they have to be? For example, amazonial aborigines on the streets of manaus, or aboriginal yami people in taitung or kaohsiung? Are bushmen fair game in south africa, but not bantu or coloureds? can u determine the rule? How much is related to race?

I suppose it depends on what the editor determines would offend their target audience. If they are deemed not quite human than nudity is not pornography ( in the editor&#039;s eyes).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did u collate any statistics? How much could you investigate? For example, how about &#8220;tribal&#8221; people in central Asia, or the Arctic?  How far away from &#8220;civilization&#8221; do they have to be? For example, amazonial aborigines on the streets of manaus, or aboriginal yami people in taitung or kaohsiung? Are bushmen fair game in south africa, but not bantu or coloureds? can u determine the rule? How much is related to race?</p>
<p>I suppose it depends on what the editor determines would offend their target audience. If they are deemed not quite human than nudity is not pornography ( in the editor&#8217;s eyes).</p>
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		<title>Comment on National Geographic nudity by Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ellis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 13:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First post. Yay! Lol.

Interesting post. This post touches on the fetishisation (is that a word? Lol) of what I heard scholars call &quot;the Other&quot;, that is to say, the erotic portrayal (either in painting, literature, photography etc.) of non-whites.

I wonder how young the Tahitian girl in the photo is? She looks very young. A White photographer couldn&#039;t get away with that with a very young White girl, without being charged with paedophilia of course.

Some interesting links relating to this post:

&#039;Under Imperial Eyes, Black Bodies, Buttocks, and breasts&#039;
http://www.networkedheritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Engmann-Publication.pdf   
- Interesting pics
(Important to note the references to the European belief that Africans were sexually promiscuous, lewd, lascivious, primitive, and how their bodies were an indicator of racial inferiority)

Another pic:
http://threatofrace.org/wp-content/uploads/content/images/mixture_south_africa_si.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First post. Yay! Lol.</p>
<p>Interesting post. This post touches on the fetishisation (is that a word? Lol) of what I heard scholars call &#8220;the Other&#8221;, that is to say, the erotic portrayal (either in painting, literature, photography etc.) of non-whites.</p>
<p>I wonder how young the Tahitian girl in the photo is? She looks very young. A White photographer couldn&#8217;t get away with that with a very young White girl, without being charged with paedophilia of course.</p>
<p>Some interesting links relating to this post:</p>
<p>&#8216;Under Imperial Eyes, Black Bodies, Buttocks, and breasts&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://www.networkedheritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Engmann-Publication.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.networkedheritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Engmann-Publication.pdf</a><br />
- Interesting pics<br />
(Important to note the references to the European belief that Africans were sexually promiscuous, lewd, lascivious, primitive, and how their bodies were an indicator of racial inferiority)</p>
<p>Another pic:<br />
<a href="http://threatofrace.org/wp-content/uploads/content/images/mixture_south_africa_si.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://threatofrace.org/wp-content/uploads/content/images/mixture_south_africa_si.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on booty dancing by B. R.</title>
		<link>http://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/05/16/booty-dancing/#comment-171681</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B. R.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 11:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Why? because when all the men in the world see that, they will be so inflamed by seeing it all laid out on the beach!
What a fleshly Paradise! “hat a “candy store” of ass! All of it just waiting!
And, those same, amazed guys are gonna jump on the plane to get some of that “available” action &quot;

In the light of various slimy statements like this one sensationalising Brazil as some sex tourism destination,I need to point out Bulanik is a coniving manipulating plagerising fraud

It was not lost on me , Abagond, the post you took down that BulaniK made on open thread, after Fiammas astute and accurate account of plagerism from Bulanik,where she manipulating and connivingly tries to tie Fiamma and me into some kind of conspiricy against her implying her anti Americanism on a thread Mira wrote, which is bizzarre since I only sympathised with Fiammas cautous lament for 9/11 victums, dislexia had nothing to do with that , I have a neice with dislexia, I know the dificulties involved

There was a perfect slice of the manipulation I have endured for two years or so, on this blog, being over and over accused as a stalker, and that I &quot;belittled her as a black woman&quot;, hushingly whispered at first then full blown attack

Yet, Bulanik doesnt even acknowledge the nasty things she said to Fiamma, basicly just saying she was embarressed only after Abagond pointed out the plagerism...she never would have ackowledged she was wrong if Abagond hadnt let her know the validity of Fiammas points about it

Although Im not going to ask to have my post put up that was deleted, it seems that psycho analising Bulanik&#039;s posts are exactly a valid thing to do....I start thinking that there must be a long list of conniving manipulated posts some blatently plagerised

And I dont care if these facts just are going to be sluffed off, it certainly explains some very strained and nasty dificulties Ive endured with Bulanik,and how some conflicts Ive had with people on here getting psyched to come in and defend her weak arguments

most of all, I really am disgusted at the horrible lying manipulated light Bulanik has tried to paint of Brazil and the valid real life points I have made about Brazilian sensuality, and the real side of her ought to be exposed

The internet filled with false cyber fakes, who hide behinf computor scvreens and fire away or deceive people...you can go to my youtube channal and see 50 youtubes of my reality, what you see is what you get...where are the youtubes or photos of other peoples claims of their mdeling or dancing backgrounds?  There could be other of cyber fake bs going down on this blog, so I dont care if anyone wants to acknowledge this, its just enough for me to know]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why? because when all the men in the world see that, they will be so inflamed by seeing it all laid out on the beach!<br />
What a fleshly Paradise! “hat a “candy store” of ass! All of it just waiting!<br />
And, those same, amazed guys are gonna jump on the plane to get some of that “available” action &#8221;</p>
<p>In the light of various slimy statements like this one sensationalising Brazil as some sex tourism destination,I need to point out Bulanik is a coniving manipulating plagerising fraud</p>
<p>It was not lost on me , Abagond, the post you took down that BulaniK made on open thread, after Fiammas astute and accurate account of plagerism from Bulanik,where she manipulating and connivingly tries to tie Fiamma and me into some kind of conspiricy against her implying her anti Americanism on a thread Mira wrote, which is bizzarre since I only sympathised with Fiammas cautous lament for 9/11 victums, dislexia had nothing to do with that , I have a neice with dislexia, I know the dificulties involved</p>
<p>There was a perfect slice of the manipulation I have endured for two years or so, on this blog, being over and over accused as a stalker, and that I &#8220;belittled her as a black woman&#8221;, hushingly whispered at first then full blown attack</p>
<p>Yet, Bulanik doesnt even acknowledge the nasty things she said to Fiamma, basicly just saying she was embarressed only after Abagond pointed out the plagerism&#8230;she never would have ackowledged she was wrong if Abagond hadnt let her know the validity of Fiammas points about it</p>
<p>Although Im not going to ask to have my post put up that was deleted, it seems that psycho analising Bulanik&#8217;s posts are exactly a valid thing to do&#8230;.I start thinking that there must be a long list of conniving manipulated posts some blatently plagerised</p>
<p>And I dont care if these facts just are going to be sluffed off, it certainly explains some very strained and nasty dificulties Ive endured with Bulanik,and how some conflicts Ive had with people on here getting psyched to come in and defend her weak arguments</p>
<p>most of all, I really am disgusted at the horrible lying manipulated light Bulanik has tried to paint of Brazil and the valid real life points I have made about Brazilian sensuality, and the real side of her ought to be exposed</p>
<p>The internet filled with false cyber fakes, who hide behinf computor scvreens and fire away or deceive people&#8230;you can go to my youtube channal and see 50 youtubes of my reality, what you see is what you get&#8230;where are the youtubes or photos of other peoples claims of their mdeling or dancing backgrounds?  There could be other of cyber fake bs going down on this blog, so I dont care if anyone wants to acknowledge this, its just enough for me to know</p>
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		<title>Comment on Australian Aboriginals according to National Geographic by Bulanik</title>
		<link>http://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/australian-aboriginals-according-to-national-geographic/#comment-171680</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bulanik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 11:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ mary, finally, the work of John Pilger.
I could make some long comment about Australia, but I think this film -- Mr Pilger&#039;s first -- made back in the mid-1980s, says far, far more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j_r0Wgg0T0]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ mary, finally, the work of John Pilger.<br />
I could make some long comment about Australia, but I think this film &#8212; Mr Pilger&#8217;s first &#8212; made back in the mid-1980s, says far, far more.</p>
<p><span class='embed-youtube' style='text-align:center; display: block;'><iframe class='youtube-player' type='text/html' width='500' height='312' src='http://www.youtube.com/embed/-j_r0Wgg0T0?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;wmode=transparent' frameborder='0'></iframe></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Australian Aboriginals according to National Geographic by Bulanik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bulanik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 11:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ mary burrell

Take another angle: who has the highest youth rate of suicide in the world?
It seems it might be Australia&#039;s Aboriginal children:

http://thestringer.com.au/australias-aboriginal-children-the-worlds-highest-suicide-rate/#.UZ33uqJkyAg

http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/people/aboriginal-suicide-rates

The figures are certainly high.
In various Aboriginal languages, there is no word for suicide, and many say that suicide was unknown in their traditional cultures. If so many young Aboriginal people choose death over life it implies a rejection of what broader Australian society has to offer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ mary burrell</p>
<p>Take another angle: who has the highest youth rate of suicide in the world?<br />
It seems it might be Australia&#8217;s Aboriginal children:</p>
<p><a href="http://thestringer.com.au/australias-aboriginal-children-the-worlds-highest-suicide-rate/#.UZ33uqJkyAg" rel="nofollow">http://thestringer.com.au/australias-aboriginal-children-the-worlds-highest-suicide-rate/#.UZ33uqJkyAg</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/people/aboriginal-suicide-rates" rel="nofollow">http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/people/aboriginal-suicide-rates</a></p>
<p>The figures are certainly high.<br />
In various Aboriginal languages, there is no word for suicide, and many say that suicide was unknown in their traditional cultures. If so many young Aboriginal people choose death over life it implies a rejection of what broader Australian society has to offer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Australian Aboriginals according to National Geographic by Bulanik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bulanik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 11:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ mary burrell, contd

An insight about the present situation might be glimpsed through the rate of imprisonment about Australia&#039;s Aboriginals.

http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/law/aboriginal-prison-rates

They are 2.3% of the population but make up over 28% of the prisoners.
Rottnest Island, in Western Australia, has long been the favoured place for incarcerating Aboriginals.  These days they make up 60% of the young prisoner rate in Western Australia.  I don&#039;t know how that compares with South Africa&#039;s imprisonment practices during Apartheid.

&quot;Aboriginal men were imprisoned for offences including spearing livestock, burning the bush or digging vegetables on what had been their own land. It has been estimated that there may be as many as 369 Aboriginal graves on the island. Some 3,700 Aboriginal men and boys, from all parts of the state, were imprisoned.&quot;

There&#039;s some info in this video (others follow on from that about it.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCPBlaRyuZk]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ mary burrell, contd</p>
<p>An insight about the present situation might be glimpsed through the rate of imprisonment about Australia&#8217;s Aboriginals.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/law/aboriginal-prison-rates" rel="nofollow">http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/law/aboriginal-prison-rates</a></p>
<p>They are 2.3% of the population but make up over 28% of the prisoners.<br />
Rottnest Island, in Western Australia, has long been the favoured place for incarcerating Aboriginals.  These days they make up 60% of the young prisoner rate in Western Australia.  I don&#8217;t know how that compares with South Africa&#8217;s imprisonment practices during Apartheid.</p>
<p>&#8220;Aboriginal men were imprisoned for offences including spearing livestock, burning the bush or digging vegetables on what had been their own land. It has been estimated that there may be as many as 369 Aboriginal graves on the island. Some 3,700 Aboriginal men and boys, from all parts of the state, were imprisoned.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s some info in this video (others follow on from that about it.)<br />
<span class='embed-youtube' style='text-align:center; display: block;'><iframe class='youtube-player' type='text/html' width='500' height='312' src='http://www.youtube.com/embed/OCPBlaRyuZk?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;wmode=transparent' frameborder='0'></iframe></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Australian Aboriginals according to National Geographic by Bulanik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bulanik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 10:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ mary burrell
&lt;blockquote&gt; 
This is very sparse info.rmation I wanted more. I will do my own research...
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I haven&#039;t read the whole thread yet, but I saw your comment ^^ and started thinking more this place and people.

The little I know about Australia is through hype about Australia as a place for sunny-beach holidays, emigration, full of promise.  As well as from books and several dozen white Australians I&#039;ve known.  
Lots of things have changed in in Australia, definitely, but I think you&#039;d agree that if you want to know the fruit, you should look at the root.

The first time I learned anything about Australia was in an ancient school textbook called &quot;Modern British History&quot;, as part of Britain&#039;s colonial history.  One of the authors was an Australian, S.H. Roberts, who also wrote &lt;i&gt; The Squatting Age in Australia. &lt;/i&gt; That book&#039;s ideas about what Australia is, and what an Australian was -- and ought to be -- was interpreted in it.  
The Aboriginals, remember, were not human. 
Actually -- according to Roberts -- it was of no use to treat them fairly, because as a race they were completely amoral and utterly incapable of gratitude. 

I should clarify what &quot;Squatting&quot; was in this context.
It refers to Australian lands owned by the English Queen or King that is occupied by Europeans without legal rights who use the land for grazing domestic livestock. Their sheep yielded wool, and this wool would be exported to England. This was one way these squatters could graduate to the upper echelons of colonial society.  Many of these squatters were already the offspring of England&#039;s and Scotland&#039;s middle and upper-middle class families, and it became quite the thing to make one&#039;s fortune from the land, and many did.

In that process of becoming settled and wealthy, the squatter-cracy also fought many, many battles with the Aboriginal peoples who walked the land.  
Battles? Well, not really -- massacres.  
The white settlers would use their modern weapons from horseback to shoot the Aborigines, wiping out family after family, clan after clan.  
The long history of these killings, whether large and orchestrated or only skirmishes, came to be known as The Australian Silence.

One must also remember The White Australia policy that grew out of the land ownership laws, which favoured only settlement of whites in that country. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ mary burrell</p>
<blockquote><p>
This is very sparse info.rmation I wanted more. I will do my own research&#8230;
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<p>I haven&#8217;t read the whole thread yet, but I saw your comment ^^ and started thinking more this place and people.</p>
<p>The little I know about Australia is through hype about Australia as a place for sunny-beach holidays, emigration, full of promise.  As well as from books and several dozen white Australians I&#8217;ve known.<br />
Lots of things have changed in in Australia, definitely, but I think you&#8217;d agree that if you want to know the fruit, you should look at the root.</p>
<p>The first time I learned anything about Australia was in an ancient school textbook called &#8220;Modern British History&#8221;, as part of Britain&#8217;s colonial history.  One of the authors was an Australian, S.H. Roberts, who also wrote <i> The Squatting Age in Australia. </i> That book&#8217;s ideas about what Australia is, and what an Australian was &#8212; and ought to be &#8212; was interpreted in it.<br />
The Aboriginals, remember, were not human.<br />
Actually &#8212; according to Roberts &#8212; it was of no use to treat them fairly, because as a race they were completely amoral and utterly incapable of gratitude. </p>
<p>I should clarify what &#8220;Squatting&#8221; was in this context.<br />
It refers to Australian lands owned by the English Queen or King that is occupied by Europeans without legal rights who use the land for grazing domestic livestock. Their sheep yielded wool, and this wool would be exported to England. This was one way these squatters could graduate to the upper echelons of colonial society.  Many of these squatters were already the offspring of England&#8217;s and Scotland&#8217;s middle and upper-middle class families, and it became quite the thing to make one&#8217;s fortune from the land, and many did.</p>
<p>In that process of becoming settled and wealthy, the squatter-cracy also fought many, many battles with the Aboriginal peoples who walked the land.<br />
Battles? Well, not really &#8212; massacres.<br />
The white settlers would use their modern weapons from horseback to shoot the Aborigines, wiping out family after family, clan after clan.<br />
The long history of these killings, whether large and orchestrated or only skirmishes, came to be known as The Australian Silence.</p>
<p>One must also remember The White Australia policy that grew out of the land ownership laws, which favoured only settlement of whites in that country.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Israel by Di Wang</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Di Wang]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 09:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then the man said, &quot;Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.&quot;
Genesis 32:28]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then the man said, &#8220;Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.&#8221;<br />
Genesis 32:28</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Africans sold their own people as slaves&#8221; by kaisergray94</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kaisergray94]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[And also the enslavement of the native populations by the Spanish, is partly why Europeans needed slaves, the new diseases to the Americas all but wiped out the native populace. If those diseases never wiped out the populace, then the transatlantic slave trade either wouldn&#039;t of happened or just be a rare thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And also the enslavement of the native populations by the Spanish, is partly why Europeans needed slaves, the new diseases to the Americas all but wiped out the native populace. If those diseases never wiped out the populace, then the transatlantic slave trade either wouldn&#8217;t of happened or just be a rare thing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Africans sold their own people as slaves&#8221; by kaisergray94</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 07:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It wasn&#039;t one kingdom, but many, some willing to go with extremes to rid yourself of your rivals. It happened in post roman Europe, it happened in papau new guinea, patagonia, indochina, mongolia, and western Africa was no different. With the collapse of songhai you have many people trying to gain power. And willing to take imense extremes. Selling your captured rivals to traders from a land afar is a great opertunity to make sure you will never see them again. And I think you are being a bit abusive with the term white, white applies to all euros, from the celts and basque, to the slavs, germanics, latins, balkans, ect. The &#039;whites&#039; that were responsible for slave trade, were the germanics, the Anglos(English, Saxon, Norman, the germanic cultures present in Britannia), Frankish(French and sister cultures),  Visigothic &amp; Iberian (Northern Spain and Portugal), and Lombardic(Italian and sister cultures), and Germans(German, swiss, Rhine, ect.). All though I&#039;m not dennying there may have been some bribes by very persistant merchants, I&#039;m very certain that, to obtain gunpower, many local leaders were willing to trade captives and enemy villages for that advantage. Greed makes us do crazy things.much of the trade that happened was in wlling agreement of both parties. Meaning the event was of two greedy people willing to do the trade. The merchants needed people to build sugar plantations, and the local warlords needed guns for their armies. And so a trade was made. You can sugar coat it all you want, but by the end of the day the trade was made by individuals willing to go that far as to get what they want. I can&#039;t see why any racist germanics would feel any guilt, if they truly hate blacks, then they wouldn&#039;t try to cover any guilt. Because in order for them to hate, they won&#039;t give a f**k enough to cover themselves they way you theorize they do. It&#039;s just illogical. Contradicting if you will. And also, at the same time, ironic, for while you are generalizing these &#039;whites&#039; as hating &#039;blacks&#039;, so at the same time, you yourself, are being rather racist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t one kingdom, but many, some willing to go with extremes to rid yourself of your rivals. It happened in post roman Europe, it happened in papau new guinea, patagonia, indochina, mongolia, and western Africa was no different. With the collapse of songhai you have many people trying to gain power. And willing to take imense extremes. Selling your captured rivals to traders from a land afar is a great opertunity to make sure you will never see them again. And I think you are being a bit abusive with the term white, white applies to all euros, from the celts and basque, to the slavs, germanics, latins, balkans, ect. The &#8216;whites&#8217; that were responsible for slave trade, were the germanics, the Anglos(English, Saxon, Norman, the germanic cultures present in Britannia), Frankish(French and sister cultures),  Visigothic &amp; Iberian (Northern Spain and Portugal), and Lombardic(Italian and sister cultures), and Germans(German, swiss, Rhine, ect.). All though I&#8217;m not dennying there may have been some bribes by very persistant merchants, I&#8217;m very certain that, to obtain gunpower, many local leaders were willing to trade captives and enemy villages for that advantage. Greed makes us do crazy things.much of the trade that happened was in wlling agreement of both parties. Meaning the event was of two greedy people willing to do the trade. The merchants needed people to build sugar plantations, and the local warlords needed guns for their armies. And so a trade was made. You can sugar coat it all you want, but by the end of the day the trade was made by individuals willing to go that far as to get what they want. I can&#8217;t see why any racist germanics would feel any guilt, if they truly hate blacks, then they wouldn&#8217;t try to cover any guilt. Because in order for them to hate, they won&#8217;t give a f**k enough to cover themselves they way you theorize they do. It&#8217;s just illogical. Contradicting if you will. And also, at the same time, ironic, for while you are generalizing these &#8216;whites&#8217; as hating &#8216;blacks&#8217;, so at the same time, you yourself, are being rather racist.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Australian Aboriginals according to National Geographic by jefe</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 07:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[^ My point offered no comment about whether or not it was appropriate to intervene with a ban.
My point was that the Nat Geo article, the way it was written, could lead to a conclusion which is factually incorrect.  
Uncle Milton&#039;s point is a totally different issue, but one that could be addressed as well, perhaps under another post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ My point offered no comment about whether or not it was appropriate to intervene with a ban.<br />
My point was that the Nat Geo article, the way it was written, could lead to a conclusion which is factually incorrect.<br />
Uncle Milton&#8217;s point is a totally different issue, but one that could be addressed as well, perhaps under another post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Australian Aboriginals according to National Geographic by Uncle Milton</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 06:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jefe:

&lt;i&gt;I am afraid that Abagond seems to be right spot on about this issue. The “FACT” that the intervention regarding alcohol usage IN ACTUALITY only applied to 2 specific communities is incidental, almost irrelevant to the blog post.&lt;/i&gt;

If the majority of the community requested the ban as opposed to being imposed from outside, then I would think be similar to a county in the US voting to be dry. 

Contrast that approach to operating liquor stores just outside reservations in South Dakota. (which are vehemently opposed by tribal elders..) 
https://www.drugfree.org/join-together/alcohol/protests-outside-nebraska-liquor-stores-put-spotlight-on-sales-to-native-americans]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jefe:</p>
<p><i>I am afraid that Abagond seems to be right spot on about this issue. The “FACT” that the intervention regarding alcohol usage IN ACTUALITY only applied to 2 specific communities is incidental, almost irrelevant to the blog post.</i></p>
<p>If the majority of the community requested the ban as opposed to being imposed from outside, then I would think be similar to a county in the US voting to be dry. </p>
<p>Contrast that approach to operating liquor stores just outside reservations in South Dakota. (which are vehemently opposed by tribal elders..)<br />
<a href="https://www.drugfree.org/join-together/alcohol/protests-outside-nebraska-liquor-stores-put-spotlight-on-sales-to-native-americans" rel="nofollow">https://www.drugfree.org/join-together/alcohol/protests-outside-nebraska-liquor-stores-put-spotlight-on-sales-to-native-americans</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Australian Aboriginals according to National Geographic by v8driver</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 06:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and food stamps here in the us, clearly that is because it is said you should buy food, you know?  sometimes, us addicts forget]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and food stamps here in the us, clearly that is because it is said you should buy food, you know?  sometimes, us addicts forget</p>
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		<title>Comment on Australian Aboriginals according to National Geographic by v8driver</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 06:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@someguy if you transcended duality and penetrated interconnected dependency you&#039;d see there&#039;s no &#039;sides&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@someguy if you transcended duality and penetrated interconnected dependency you&#8217;d see there&#8217;s no &#8216;sides&#8217;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Australian Aboriginals according to National Geographic by wordynerdygirl</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 05:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Uncle Milton: The Act was originally introduced to apply the intervention measures (including the alcohol/pornography bans etc) on two remote communities as a pilot.  

Other communities have voluntarily introduced similar measures because of some of the positive effects that the original interventions achieved.  The Government has also conducted some further pilots since the initial intervention.  One of the most important outcomes has been a dramatic drop in sexual based offences, including child abuse.

I think there&#039;s a valid argument, however, for saying that it was a pretty disempowering and paternalistic way of supporting these communities.  You can read some good articles about both sides of the debate here: http://theconversation.com/topics/after-the-intervention

Noel Pearson is another very influential, erudite and interesting Aboriginal Australian activist.  He&#039;s driven some similar but somewhat different measures in Cape York. You can read more about him here: http://cyi.org.au/about-us/noel-pearson]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Uncle Milton: The Act was originally introduced to apply the intervention measures (including the alcohol/pornography bans etc) on two remote communities as a pilot.  </p>
<p>Other communities have voluntarily introduced similar measures because of some of the positive effects that the original interventions achieved.  The Government has also conducted some further pilots since the initial intervention.  One of the most important outcomes has been a dramatic drop in sexual based offences, including child abuse.</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a valid argument, however, for saying that it was a pretty disempowering and paternalistic way of supporting these communities.  You can read some good articles about both sides of the debate here: <a href="http://theconversation.com/topics/after-the-intervention" rel="nofollow">http://theconversation.com/topics/after-the-intervention</a></p>
<p>Noel Pearson is another very influential, erudite and interesting Aboriginal Australian activist.  He&#8217;s driven some similar but somewhat different measures in Cape York. You can read more about him here: <a href="http://cyi.org.au/about-us/noel-pearson" rel="nofollow">http://cyi.org.au/about-us/noel-pearson</a></p>
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