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Scientific racism: Pro

Tue 5 Apr 2011 by abagond

The following is based on Unamused’s post “‘Scientific racism’ is actually valid science (part 1)”. It is his counter-rant to Zek J. Evets’s “21st Century Scientific Racism”, which I summed up yesterday. As with Zek’s post, I present his main points without the rant. I use his own words and links, though edited for length:

Race is biological; see here and here and here and here and here and this book and this one too.

Intelligence (general cognitive ability, IQ, g) is about 50 to 70 percent heritable, and its heritability increases to 70 to 80 percent as we age. Go ahead and type “intelligence, heritable” into your favorite search engine.

And yes, if you list those races by IQ, you get Asians > whites > Hispanics > blacks.

The substance of Zek’s post on the evils of race realism comprises four “Very Important mistakes” we race realists make:

1. Correlation does not equal causation

First, black people in America are convicted of more crimes because they commit more crimes. Jared Taylor is happy to explain it to you; see this video, for instance. There is no police bias against blacks; that’s just racial paranoia coupled with confirmation bias (see section 2). Victims report the same proportions of black criminals as are arrested by the police and convicted by the courts.

Second, black people underperform in school compared to whites. And Asians. And Hispanics. It’s called the achievement gap, and no one has ever managed to shrink it. They also underperform on intelligence tests. It’s called the IQ gap, and no one has ever managed to shrink it. (The differences don’t disappear in college, as many race denialists incorrectly claim.) You can read more at American Renaissance or in this Steve Sailer article.

Racism is currently dead in America, contrary to the Big Lie that it isn’t, and still the IQ gap persists.

We know that effects of genes on intelligence are much greater than the effects of shared environment, which would include this alleged systemic racism (as I explained in detail when I refuted a race denialist essay on the subject).

Furthermore, whatever bad things white people might be doing, it is important to keep in mind that they are generally smart, responsible, polite, peaceful, and law abiding, beautiful, inventive, artistic, and nice to all the other races.

2. Confirmation bias

The race realist claim is not that every single black person in the history of the world is unintelligent, or less intelligent than the average white person, or less intelligent than every single white person in the history of the world.

The actual race realist claim that’s relevant here is that in America, the average black IQ (i.e., intelligence) is about one standard deviation lower than the average white IQ. This claim happens to be supported by overwhelming scientific evidence. I suggest you look some up. (Searching for “IQ gap” should do the trick.)

3. Lack of expertise

It’s as if he thinks you need to be a Ph.D. anthropologist to read and understand a paper on race differences in intelligence.

You don’t.

It should go without saying that he has no examples of mistakes made by race realists because of their “lack of expertise” (lack of credentials, really), or indeed examples of any mistakes made by race realists at all.

4. Conspiracy theories

(No argument of substance given.)

See also:

“Scientific racism” is actually valid science (part 1) – read the rant, and the fuller argument with more links
21st Century Scientific Racism – read Zek’s rant, or just my summary of it: Scientific racism: Con. In short, Zek argues that race realism and HBD are pseudoscience
white privilege mindset – Unamused score a 95% on my test!
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145 Responses

on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 14:33:19 The Cynic

Lmao @ this entire post!
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 15:19:44 The Cynic

Ok so I have a question. If height is 75-90% heritable why is the normal curve for this trait 6 inches higher for South Koreans than it is North Koreans? Are North Koreans inherently shorter? And why are ppl today generally taller than they were a century ago? Have our genes been evolving?
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 16:40:21 Unamused

Gee, abagond, thank you for reprinting my post with massive edits, chopping out a bunch of stuff and changing the order, rather than simply linking to my site.

Why don’t you write your own shit post on “scientific racism” like Zek so I can rebut every argument you make?
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 16:47:49 Unamused

By the way, I adjust the depth of my counter-arguments to the depth of Zek’s fallacious reasoning.

When he declares blacks aren’t less intelligent than whites (they are) with no evidence, I point out at that they aren’t, and tell you where to find that evidence.

When he actually tries to string together a cogent argument for race not being genetic (it is), then I do a little more work.

There is no scientific racism, just like there is no bias against blacks in the justice system. They’re just less intelligent and more criminal than whites.
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 16:48:36 Fenric

“Ok so I have a question. If height is 75-90% heritable why is the normal curve for this trait 6 inches higher for South Koreans than it is North Koreans? Are North Koreans inherently shorter? And why are ppl today generally taller than they were a century ago? Have our genes been evolving?”

You’re right. Height is a social construct.
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 17:27:24 abagond

Unamused said:

Gee, abagond, thank you for reprinting my post with massive edits, chopping out a bunch of stuff and changing the order, rather than simply linking to my site.

I did link to your post. Those who do not trust my summary or want to know more can read your post for themselves.

I limit my posts to 500 words. Within that limit I think I fairly represented the main points you made against the substance of Zek’s post. Some of it is out of order because your post was that disorganized.

Your post as it stands on your blog is full of name-calling, missing the point of Zek’s post, getting your nose twisted out of shape and telling us how wonderfully intelligent and brave you are. All in all I think you come off better here in this post than on your own blog.
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 17:49:46 The Cynic

I wish I was on a laptop and not my cell. A lot of assumptions and faulty logic in his post concerning group differences, intelligence, and heritability.
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 17:51:25 Unamused

I really don’t give a shit what you think is a fair representation of my main points, or what your word limit is on posts. That’s why I don’t write guest posts for you.

Anyone who reads Zek’s post, mine, and your summaries, will see your blatant bias in favor of Zek’s much, much nastier and less substantial post, which on close inspection has no points at all to make, no matter how hard you try to add them in your “summing up.”
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 18:35:13 sam

@unamused: Chill out, kid! I visited your blog and let me tell you, I have not seen such crazy nonesense since some german neonazis tried convince me that all northern people should join in in the fight for racially pure future back in the 80′s Man, honestly, you need some professional help and fast, that is, if you are serious with this croack of sheite and not making a parody

@abagond: I knew this was coming! Well done!
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 19:20:46 abagond

@ Unamused:

Of course Zek’s post is nasty. He said up front that it was going to be an angry rant. But you misread that and took his post as some kind of dispassionate, scientific argument. When he fails to live up to your misreading, you use it against him.

You did the same thing to this blog: you come here, troll, get everyone angry at you and then go back to your blog to report that there are no arguments of substance on the other side:

http://unamusementpark.wordpress.com/2011/04/03/evasive-action/

Zek’s post was nasty and full of hot air. So was yours. The difference is, he did not act like he was doing otherwise. You, though, say you are dispassionate, etc.

Despite all the hot air, you both made some good points, which is why I wrote my summaries. For my own future reference if nothing else. I wanted to know what your main points were without having to reread all the tiresome name-calling and chest-thumping.

Zek’s post did manage to present the main reasons why current scientific racism is a pseudoscience. Yours presented the main articles of faith with supporting links. Both are worthy of summary, which is why I did it.
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 19:34:28 King

That’s the problem with Unamused, he is so much spoiling for a fight, that it becomes apparent that the fight is more important to him than the facts. He’s the most angry of all the HBDers that have come here, which leads me to suspect that there is something else eating at him beyond the parameters of this particular debate.

For some reason, he seems to needs a fight.
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 19:41:39 A Confederacy of Dunces « Unamusement Park

[...] Abagond (“500 words a day on whatever I can rip off”), eager to give his own take on the race realism/race denialism controversy, has “summarized” some of Zek’s ignorant, hateful, anti-scientific garbage in his Monday post, and the first of my two rebuttals of said garbage in his Tuesday post. [...]
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 19:47:19 Unamused

As requested, King.
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 20:37:06 Herneith

When he declares blacks aren’t less intelligent than whites (they are) with no evidence, I point out at that they aren’t, and tell you where to find that evidence.

What? They aren’t less intelligent than whites or are whites dumber than blacks? Make up you’re mind! Also, are you employed? You seem to have a lot of time on your hands to troll the internet for articles, write 50 million word posts etc., etc., either that you type a million words a minute!

Why don’t you write your own sh*t post on “scientific racism” like Zek so I can rebut every argument you make?

You couldn’t rebut your way out of a paper bag. Citing used computer salesmen, Wikipedia, selective quotes from articles, trolling the internet does not count. As for reading you blog, what for? What racialized person in their right mind is going to go to a blog full of racist diatribes, backed up by racist literature from modern day ‘race realist’ whatever their actual profession? I would hazard a guess and say self-loathing ones would, or ones who are there to be entertained ala Mad magazine or some other social satire..

There is no scientific racism, just like there is no bias against blacks in the justice system. They’re just less intelligent and more criminal than whites.

What planet did you say you were born on?

I really don’t give a sh*t what you think is a fair representation of my main points, or what your word limit is on posts. That’s why I don’t write guest posts for you.

Why do you bother to respond then? Why are you referring to your bowel function? Perhaps you should be on this blog:

http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/qf/c/AmericanMagazine/12-1937/xlg_exlax.jpg

Finally unamused, I am very amused!!!!Hahahahaha!!!
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 21:50:29 abagond

Unamused said I misrepresented him by leaving out two of his arguments. I thought they weakened his case, but nevertheless here they are:

1. Race is biological:

Good grief, race is biological? That can’t possibly be true! If it were, then black people would always have black babies, Asian people would always have Asian babies, and white people would always — oh.

This completely misses the point of what is meant by race being a social construct. I thought what I had in the post was stronger.

2. He says we know racism is dead because West Indian immigrants do so well:

Less amusing, but still kind of funny in a stupid way, is his attempt to suppress the truth about racism in America, by omitting the entirety of my demonstration that it is dead. You see, black author and political commentator Thomas Sowell has found that

in 1969, while American-born blacks were making only 62 percent of the average income for all Americans, blacks from the West Indies made 94 percent. Second-generation immigrants from the West Indies made 15 percent more than the average American. Although they are only 10 percent of the city’s black population, foreign-born blacks — mostly from the West Indies — own half of the black-owned businesses in New York City. Their unemployment rate is lower than the national average, and many times lower than that of American-born blacks. West Indian blacks look no different from American blacks; white racists are not likely suddenly to set aside their prejudices when they meet one [emphasis mine]. (Jared Taylor, Paved With Good Intentions, p. 25)

“They’re not just blacks, they’re immigrant blacks,” I noted, “yet racism doesn’t seem to affect them! How curious. The truth is, you can’t scare black people into failing tests, and the racism that exists in America today is designed to artificially raise black performance, not lower it.”

I guess his self-imposed 500-word limit got in the way of academic honesty.

I was not trying “to suppress the truth about racism in America”. I just thought this was a particularly brainless argument. One that only someone who barely knows any West Indians would believe. West Indians most certainly do experience racism, even if it is not to the same degree as Black Americans.

If you trip me and I still win the race, that does not prove you did not trip me. West Indians, like Jews, succeed in spite of the prejudice they face – not because there is none.

What I have in the post is Unamused’s link to McWhorter, who I thought made the point more strongly than Sowell’s white apologetics or Unamused himself.
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 22:26:16 Unamused

Fortunately we have my original post to refer to, instead of your continued farcical attempts to discredit it. The content of your blog makes a stronger case for your low IQ than a genetic analysis ever could.
on Sat 9 Apr 2011 at 23:02:41 sam

@unamused: But your original post, like your whole blog, is just a collection of turds. I mean it is funny, I won’t deny that, but as a science or something to that nature, it is not that much. Sorry to say this, but your blog and everything in it is just one more racist preaching his belief. Nothing more. But I grant that it is even more crazier than most and therefore way funnier.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 01:42:55 BD

Hey Abagond,
As the US becomes more diverse, you will experience less and less tolerance for the black American Experience. You have said that white Americans see themselves, only as Americans, and think that when this changes, it will be good. It won’t. When white Americans come to see themselves as white first, above and beyond all else, and Americans second, then it’ll be all over for black America. No more AA, no more incompetent, government supported middle class, nothing. What you don’t realize is that the Sailer crowd want to avert this looming reality. But, incapable of prosperity on your own, you must take and take from whites, and yet you don’t realize that they have a limit, there is only so much you can take, before there is nothing left to take, and that leaves you poorer than before.You don’t see this. But you see other things. You’re right about alot. LIke the fact that white liberals can’t stand you, in New York and everywhere. No one can. Everywhere you people go you bring crime, violence, filth, stupidity. You contribute nothing, except in the realm of entertainment. We don’t like you. It’s obvious you don’t like us. So, go away. It’s clear from your blog whites are incapable of redemption. Even Tim Wise isn’t good enough for you. Nothing is, nothing ever will be. So go somewhere else. If we’re that bad, why do you insist on being around us?
But, it’s not just us, it’s every other racial group. No one likes you. Jews don’t like you, Asians don’t like you, Hispanics don’t like you (and aren’t afraid to prove it either). No one. Why is that? Well we can debate back and forth forever about genetics this and that, but at the end of the day the collective behavior of African Americans is so repugnant to just about everyone, even successful Nigerian immigrants, Ethiopians, Indians. Everyone who comes into contact with you arrives at the same stereotypes, rude, stupid, violent, angry, hatred of foreigners, incompetent, unreliable, impulsive, etc, etc. It goes on and on. Be it Hasidic Jews in New York or Koreans in LA or Arabs in Detroit or whites everywhere, we all come to the same conclusoins about you people. You have this POC fantasy like everyone against the white man, but really it’s the other way around. Everyone wants to get the hell away from the black man, in schools, neighborhoods, jobs, etc. But, even if you disregard all this, if we are so bad to you why do you insist on being around us? Form your own businesses and institutions and schools. Of course, because you can’t. You’re not capable of it. Even this blog is little more than a quick summation of other people’s articles.You don’t like white people (openly), and white people don’t like you (secretly). So let’s go our separate ways. The safest, healthiest, white people are those who live far away from you, Maine, Vermont, South Dakota, Montana, Idaho. We don’t suffer from your degeneracy, and we don’t want to. All of America used to be like that. You think your compaints will achieve something. Yes, they will. Right now, you can bully and bribe whites, but one day we won’t tolerate it anymore. GO AWAY. Everyone is happy without you, away from you, it’s ot just whites, it’s every ethnic grou that has ever had the displeasure to interact with you on a large scale. Everyone. Because their fears are real, your behavior is real.
Liberalism is all about the idea that black behavior can be changed, and nobody believes that anymore, except white liberals who live far removed from the reality of your proximity. Leave us alone.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 02:13:38 King

Hahaha! What an angry White man [Stormfront degenerate, of course]

Get out of the trailer park, why don’t you, and go around the world, my friend. Just ask the people who has been the main aggressor, the oppressor, the bad guy, the worldwide meddler, the cheater, the thief, the arrogant little snot, who has to have it all his way.

Go ahead!

Ask the Arabs, the Turks, the Mexicans, the Indians, the Aboriginal peoples. Ask the Chinese, the Columbians, The Iranians, the Vietnamese, the Venezuelans, the Egyptians, the Africans.

Ask them who causes the world wars, the the global unfairness, the great economic collapses that hurt everybody worldwide. When the answer comes back, it won’t be us baby, it’s YOU.

Who do they all despise? Who do they want to kill? Who do they want to erase from the earth? they want YOU gone much more than us or anyone else…. you might remember that next time you’ve got a manifesto to write. You really don’t need any more examples of White arrogance and stupidity out there on the internet.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 02:28:29 BD

King,
Look at the map which heads this blog. You’ll find that distribution everywhere in America. People prefer to be around people like themselves. Blacks crate their own environment. Which makes you feel more comfortable, walking into a club full of whites, or full of blacks? The problem with blacks in America is that, they look around and realize how much farther advanced everyone is in comparison to them. Whereas, really, if they were back in Africa, they wouldn’t realize the discrepancy. What is wrong with living in a trailer? Is it worse than the ghetto? A high crime high rise? Caprini Green? I understand your feeble mind is trying to insult me. But still, it doesn’t make sense. Should people feel ashamed they live in a privately owned or rented trailer, in comparison to a high rise ghetto paid for by others? Lots of hard working people live in trailers. They receive none of the benefits of being ‘oppressed’. If all these people hate us, why do they want to move to our country? Also, if you really think Turks, Arabs, Mexicans, Columbians, Indians, etc prefer blacks to whites, well, I guess the only thing to say is 70 doesn’t seem so far off.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 02:43:10 Blaque Ink

Unamused,

Even though I know you will come up with a rebuttal loaded with racist rants, name-calling, and curse words masked as psuedoscience and intelligence, it’s evident to (almost) everyone here that you are a racist trying to find excuses disguised as scholarly writing to hate a group of people whom your ancestors (likely) contributed in their inhuman suffering and destruction. You can, and will, rationalize all you want with your illogical blogs and responses, but the truth is you are running away from the truth because the truth hurts so much you prefer to stay in a world of lies and hate.

You constantly ask for prove that racism exists or has ever existed. Well, quite frankly, I am proof, and so are the millions upon millions of blacks in this country and worldwide along with other POC. If you are unable to understand what that means, there’s no need to discuss any further as you’ve implied that you care nothing about the differences of opinions or truths especially from us blacks. Then again, maybe you do care to a point. Why else do you come to a blog that refutes your racist ideolgies and debunks the racists that you cite only to meet continuous opposition, not to mention humiliation?

You want to make it seem that black people are some living brood of genetic mistakes that are causes of so many problems going on in this country. In a religious sense one may say that you believe black people are God’s mistakes or the devil’s spawn, and the good, white Christians must watch out for or lock them up to save humanity, white humanity. Frankly, it’s sad that one would excuse race hatred as a science or political motive. Bascially, that’s all you’re doing unamused.

You’re just hating…end of discussion.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 02:45:10 King

“People prefer to be around people like themselves. Blacks crate their own environment. Which makes you feel more comfortable, walking into a club full of whites, or full of blacks?”

Wouldn’t that totally depend on the club, and the crowd? It’s not like every Black club is threatening and every White club is tame. Even you can’t think that is the case.

“The problem with blacks in America is that, they look around and realize how much farther advanced everyone is in comparison to them.”

Advanced? What do you mean… they have bigger sized wide screen T.V.s? Extra bedrooms onto their house that nobody sleeps in? What?

“What is wrong with living in a trailer? Is it worse than the ghetto? A high crime high rise? Caprini Green?

Most of the time it is. It’s the biker gangs, and the crystal meth that messes up the trailer park… don’t you think? Of course, then it’s also not the best place to live when a tornado comes through… Ah well, to each his own.

“Should people feel ashamed they live in a privately owned or rented trailer, in comparison to a high rise ghetto paid for by others?”

Well, how about all of those food stamps and the public assistance that trailer people get? It’s a drag on the middle class tax payer. Hard working people don’t want to subsidize lowly educated trailer meth heads, do they?

Lots of hard working people live in trailers.

And of course, everyone in the ghetto is freeloading, nobody there ever has a job, or pays taxes, or contributes anything in the ghetto.

“Also, if you really think Turks, Arabs, Mexicans, Columbians, Indians, etc prefer blacks to whites, well, I guess the only thing to say is 70 doesn’t seem so far off.”

Many of them would prefer a nice White head to cut and show on the internet… say.. what University did you.. er…oh right… sorry, never mind.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 03:06:06 abagond

@ BD:

Are you racist?
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 03:06:45 BD

Wow, threats of decapitation. Nice, King. Thanks for successfully refuting my arguments about black violence…with threats of decapitation. You obviously have’t been to many trailer parks. Which is an interesting observation. So often, black commentators scream and shout about how we don’t know what it’s like.. to be black, to be poor, etc. Yet within this meme is the false notion that they know what it’s like to be white, that they have a sound comprehension of the white American experience. They do not. They only know us from our tax dollars they take, from the people they rob, rape and murder, and from the police who do their best to protect us from it all.

King, I know you like to fantasize about decapitating people, but let’s stick to the argument at hand. As a black man, do you feel more comfortable going to an overwhelming black club, or an overwhelmingly white club, all else being equal (safety, cost,etc).

King, tornadoes affect specific parts of the country, whereas trailer parks are found anywhere people congregate. Some people, especially retirees, spend there older years simply living and travelling out of their trailers.

Your argument makes no sense. You wouldn’t have this problem, encountering logic and rationality, if you lived away from white people. And they would haven’t the problem of trying, as best they could, to control your violent, homocidal impulses. So, thanks for proving my point.

And yes, everyone in the ghetto is freeloading.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 03:22:03 Franklin

@ BD

Are you semi-illiterate? Or did you just intentionally misinterpret King’s post so you could engage in some twistable semantics, and go into “HALP! The Mean Black Man! Martyr Mode?” He was obviously talking about Turks, Arabs, Mexicans, Columbians, and Indians. The groups that YOU YOURSELF sounded off on. No wonder you’re Unamused’s cheerleader. You both have the same issue with comprehension when it comes to even the simplest of statements.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 03:23:42 King

If you are really stupid enough not to know what’s going on in the wide world, then yes, SURPRISE, people are out to kill you. People have done so, and still want to chop away… I didn’t make that reality but I point it out since you seem to think that the world is your oyster and Blacks are universally loathed. Welcome to reality, life ain’t a trailer.

And how many Black people were involved? I rest my case.

If your ability to read and comprehend is really this limited, then save the comments.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 03:29:06 BD

Abagond,
That’s a good question. I suppose I am. Let me tell you a bit about that. I started out in my youth as your typical lefty, Wise like white person when it comes to race, etc. I never grew up around blacks, but all my experience in adulthood with them have diabused of my previous liberal convictions. I came to this website from Chuck’s (I know you have trouble seeing differences, but he’s probably less racist than me). Besides the standard propaganda, Wikipedia, and The Root, I had never perused a black blog before. I found it facsinating. Especially recently, you shift from often interesting tidbits of the world to mainly race based things. You demand whites see you as individuals, but you only see us as a block. It is never some whites, only whites. I mentioned your white heart article specifically. For someone to write that, and then an article about pseudoscience, that really made me lose respect for your intellect. You write purely off of resentment.

Anyway, as to racism, I am a bit yes. I say ‘a bit’, because, like I stated eariler, I don’t belive Rushton and Lynn to be the Bible on these matters. Clearly, they are wrong in many respects. I think the exact ratio of nature v nurture is extremely difficult, and even if cracked, will never be fully applicable to individual humans. There are alot of smart blacks out there, its a bell curve! But, at the end of the day. I am always made to feel uncomfortable when I am around large numbers of blacks. I suppose that’s how most blacks feel when they are around whites, probably more so. I, who began my intellectual life open to that world, and was met with nothing but hostility. So, how do I deal with this crushing blow? I avoid it. I can’t change the anger blacks feel. But I can avoid it. And I just don’t care. If people don’t like me, fine. If they don’t like me because of who I am, fine, I simply won’t spend any time around them, and will do my best to avoid them. YOu, however, think the opposite. Whites dont like you, and therefore they must allow you to live next to them, go to their schools, etc. If we are as evil as you claim to be, then simply stay away from us. If we are that bad, you shouldn’t want to be anywhere near us. Have your own schools, neighborhoods, hospitals. I came here originally far less racist than I was. Consider me a counter convert.

But I appreaciate your honesty. I remember you said that Sailer wrote what alot of whites think privately. That’s true (though I’ll emphasize once again the difference between him and skinheads). I think that’s true about your site and blacks. If so, then we obviously shouldn’t spend much time around each other. If we all have these mutually hostile reactions, then let’s formulate a way to live in which such reactions are minimal. This mentality explains the map you have above (from New Geography or NYT?, I forget). We all want to be with people like ourselves. I hope you don’t want to decapitate me for saying so.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 03:37:38 jas0nburns

wow this is fun.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 03:43:31 BD

I want to add, in regards to the IQ 70 thing, I think that is wrong. Lynn’s data just isn’t good enough to say that. I point this out to emphasize two things…
1. I don’t believe that less intelligent is the same as ‘inferior’ in either a moral or practical sense.
2. It’s not a question of some Britsh academic, or the validity of tests, testing, the testers, and the testees. It’s about the reality we experience all over America, and, I suppose that is why I don’t like to be around blacks. I do my best to stay away from that world. It wouldn’t matter to me if it were proven tomorrow that white IQ was 85 and black IQ was 100. I’m being honest Abagond, and you, as a Black man living in New York, every day see the reality of White liberal behavior. Is my attitude different from theirs? We don’t say these things in public for the same reason you don’t divulge your identity.

I’d like to see you do a post on the difference between white liberals and conservatives in regards race.

And, I’ll ask again, Melanin Theory?
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 04:12:54 BD

I don’t wish to clog your comments section, so perhaps you can just read this for yourself and delete it, as it is a little off topic.
But I do want to pose to you the most serious question I think there is in regards diversity and the future of America..
How do you think Whites will act as they become numerically less powerful. How do you think their behavior will change? I believe we have reached a high point in racial relations with the election of BO. But, look at his White support, it has come crashing down. We can debate the reasons for that add nauseum, but the collapse in White support is a fact. I think, both publically and legally White attitudes will become strongly negative towards minorities. I think, overall, this is a bad thing for both Blacks and whites. What do you think? Do you see White attitudes improving or not? How will this affect Blacks?

Once again this question is more for yourself than the gallery.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 04:49:51 Franklin

@ BD

“Shy” and Vague attempts at fear-mongering are just as obvious as the loud and frantic “Chicken Little-esque” attempts. Your final attempt to leave us with your “I’ll let you think on THAT!” message in order to get under our skin was cute. But like all “white rhetoric” isn’t reflected by reality. What you’re saying is that white people are that stupid where they’d vote in a black man to the white house, knowing that it would further damage race relations? Or at the least be that short-sighted where they didn’t think it would damage race relations?

No, now peddle your “There’s going to be a race war!” nonsense elsewhere. As degenerative whites have been preaching that nonsense for decades, with nothing ever coming remotely close to that.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 05:12:24 appliedobjectivism

@ Franklin

^ LOL! True. He’s come from a long line of fear mongering racist idiots. Nothing new.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 05:16:29 e-dub

Okay, I’ll say it everyone this is a bunch of bull crap. Racism is racism and no matter how lip stick you put on the pig it’s still a pig and that’s just way it is. Hitler used scientific racism to justify his evil. (Side note remember how many Germans got killed by Hitler — thus the problem of handing around idiotic, bat-ess-crazy, a-holes) It’s the age old problem of the figures never lie but liar’s use figures. Racism is when you believe x about group y and then are pissed/threatened/delusional (and most often all three) when you get your nose rubbed in the poo and you find out the person z in group refuses to live down to your expectations.

And why do people even bother with bozos like NB.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 05:27:32 The Cynic

This HDB stuff has gotten really boring to me. I get tired of repeating myself in an effort to refute their ideology. Black ppl should ignore these guys. Institutional racism is easy to get around if we collectively work against it by creating our own institutions/infiltrating theirs(the biased ones).

@Abagond
Why do you pay so much attention to these ppl?
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 05:46:16 abagond

@ Cynic:

I agree. I need to give this HBD stuff a rest. My blog is starting to bang one drum, like theirs.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 06:08:46 abagond

@ BD:

I do not believe in Melanin Theory. The differences between blacks and whites in America are mainly due to power and history, not biology.

I think race relations in America will get way worse before they get better. As in the 1860s and the 1960s, so in the 2060s it will all come to a head and lead to a change in white self-understanding for the better, something more in tune with the Declaration of Independence. Maybe by the 2120s racism will truly be dead.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 07:27:23 Blaque Ink

Oh well. At least BD says he’s a racist instead of beating around the bush like other racists.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 08:17:33 King

@ Abagond

“I agree. I need to give this HBD stuff a rest. My blog is starting to bang one drum, like theirs.”

Well, that’s the thing, once one believes in HBD, it is the hammer to a world of nails. At the foundation of every argument is an HBD cause or solution.

I’m glad that you did tackle the subject, but most of these guys have itches that they’re just using HBD to scratch. It doesn’t matter what we say to them, their problem is deeper than language.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 14:45:48 The Cynic

@Blaque Ink

Yeah, I appreciate BD outright saying he’s a racist also, although his fear-mongering is useless. I was at a lost for words when Unamused said there is no racism/anti-black bias in America anymore. Even Hippo Chuck indirectly admitted that and justified it with a euphemism, “rational discrimination”. I couldn’t even bring myself to argue out such a dumb statement.

I think this is less about racism and more about paranoia. If you read American history you will notice that irrational fear seems to be a part of White American culture even up til this day.

-The Mexicans are invading and turning America into a 3rd world country as whites become a minority! Even though they are not a race, but a group of ppl w/ a substantial amnt of Euro blood who marry whites at a 41% rate!
-The Blacks are stealing our college spots and jobs even though they are only 12% of the population & so many of them don’t even graduate high school!
-I’m in fear of black crime even more than the ppl who live next door to it! Blacks
-The Muslims are going to take over America and impose Sharia law! Nvm the fact that they are only 1% of the population and the US Constitution forbids it!
-Blacks are raping white women left and right!!!!!

These ppl deserve to be ignored. They cannot be helped
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 18:10:18 Blaque Ink

The Cynic,

It’s pathetic on so many levels. People like BD, Unamused, Chuck, Randy, and others live by denial, ignorance, and hatred. Not only that, they see nothing wrong with that. Nothing!

We can continue these arguments until we’ve run out of breath, but it will do no good. These HBDers proven how they think and feel about race, especially about black people. Their ignorance, fear, and hatred of nonwhites is so outrageous it boggles the mind. Despite their belief that whites are superior, HBDs prove that white racists like them are inferior in regards to emotion and rational thought. (That’s right, race realists, I said inferior.) HBDers prefer to live in fear, hatred, and ignorance as oppose to love, enlightenment, knowledge, and logic. I think I speak for many of us when I ask, what’s wrong with these people?

What on Earth is wrong with these people?
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 18:13:19 Herneith

Fortunately we have my original post to refer to, instead of your continued farcical attempts to discredit it. The content of your blog makes a stronger case for your low IQ than a genetic analysis ever could.

What’s your excuse for having a low IQ? Fetal Alcohol Syndrome?

Everywhere you people go you bring crime, violence, filth, stupidity.

Are you jealous? Sounds like the types of things you wish you could indulge in! Will the lunacy ever end? Don’t hate, cogitate!
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 18:14:35 Herneith

These ppl deserve to be ignored. They cannot be helped

That’s it in a nutshell, ignore or ridicule them.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 18:36:46 BD

Black Inque

I live by eating food and drinking water. There’s lots more, but mainly that’s how I maintain my physical existence.I’m not in denial about anything, I’m not ignorant. And I don’t hate you. But, it would be fair to say I don’t like you. There’s a difference. Fear? Yes, I am afraid of black people, the violence they cause, everyone is, that’s why they try to live as far away from you as possible. This is true for everyone, regardless of politics. Look at people’s actions, not just their words. You make think me particularly evil, but I try to have my actions in accord with my words. I try to be more honest than mot people, certianly more so than disingenous white liberals.

‘What is wrong with these people?’
In all seriousness I ask myself that question about you everyday. Your behavior is atrocious. Against yourselves as well as eveyone else.

You all predominantly see things as a black white dichotomy. In the past, that was true. When the US was 90% white and 10% black, this held true. And so we were divided between White and non White. Now, though, it seems America is dividing itself between Black and non Black. Instead of focuing on black v white relations, you should find the courage to explore what other groups, like Asians (of all sorts) and Hispanics really think about you. It will probably make you angry, but they have a lower opinion of you than we do. You all talk about ‘POC’ as a united block against the white man, whereas reality shows that not to be the case. Just for a week, explore race relations between Blacks and other minorites. You won’t like what you will find.

None of my points were directly refuted. So, I think it is time to give it a rest. I guess there is nothing more to learn from you people here. The future will be unpleasant for us all.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 19:12:50 Blaque Ink

VD, I mean BD,

Denial about being in denial denies the chance to learn, and don’t you deny it.

Oh yea, we’re very violent. We’re so violent, we’ve invaded Europe, and killed millions upon millions or Europeans. We also made them our slaves because, you see, white people are inferior to us in regards to genetics and IQ. Look at their behavior. I’m afraid to go to a school building without a white thug coming in and shooting up the place. I’m afraid of a white people because they see phantom black people committing crimes they, those same whites, committed. I’m afraid of a white priest looking at me as his potential sex object. There are so many reasons why I’m afraid of you people. Ya’ll scare me. LOL

Yep. We blacks have to work on ourselves and other POC. Not the good white folk. No sir. White folk are kind to us and other POC. It’s seen in how they present us in their media. It’s clear in how they talk to each other about us. It’s clear in their economic and political policies. It’s apparent in their education. Oh yea, ya’ll are good people.

You are hilarious.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 19:32:12 BD

You never invaded Europe because you never learned how to cooperate on the same level as, well, every other ethnic group in the world. Look at Africa pre Euro contact. Look at it today. What countries have the level of violence of Haiti? Rape in South Africa? War? Cannibalism? It’s pure chaos.
If whites are so bad, then why does half the world want to move to our countries?
You’re right, though, about slavery. It was our greatest crime. And our punishment is forever. We would be in paradise if no one had ever brought you over. Paradise. But due to the evil elite we condemned ourselves to share this country, this history, with you. We are trapped, running out of places to flee, and money to pay for the grand 40 year festival of repentance that will soon come to an end.

Relations between Blacks and Asians, Blacks and Hispanics..Discuss.

You are sad.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 19:49:02 Blaque Ink

LOL This is beyond laughable.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 20:12:44 King

@ BD

I don’t hate you either BD, I just think that you are irredeemably cocooned in a thick layer of backwoods ignorance and that are too lazy to think like man instead of a lemming.

“But, it would be fair to say I don’t like you.”

Anybody who thinks that you can “like,” or “not like” on a racial level, is a dimwit. There are good and bad Black and White people, you have to meet them, assess their characters, and then decide. You’re not making sense (of course).

“Yes, I am afraid of black people, the violence they cause, everyone is, that’s why they try to live as far away from you as possible.”

This is a common psychological out for those too weak to stand on their own opinions… the argument from EVERYBODY ELSE’S point of view. You are not even close to qualified to speak for “everyone” from your trailer park in Montana. You don’t know “everyone else,” you have no idea what’s going on outside of your own Hicksville experience. Speak from that, if anything, but don’t try to pretend that you have some isight into what other communities think or do.

“In all seriousness I ask myself that question about you everyday. Your behavior is atrocious. Against yourselves as well as eveyone else.”

Say’s they guy who’s “people” screwed everyone (in order of screwing):

Native Americans
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h1567.html

Blacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching

Chinese
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/467991/the_chinese_exclusion_act_of_1882.html

Filipinos
http://philcsc.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/racism-in-the-usa-reflections-at-the-end-of-the-20th-century/

Japanese
http://www.pbs.org/childofcamp/history/index.html

Not to mention what White people did to the Jews, in Europe.
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/Mass_Grave_Bergen_Belsen_May_1945.jpg

Or to each other in Bosnia and Herzegovina:
http://rbih-free.blogspot.com/2007/10/milivoje-ivanisevics-disturbed-mind-of.html

Do you know what I’m saying? Are you keeping up?
http://slapblog.com/?p=10856

So… it might not be such a good idea to talk about violent and destructive people that nobody likes. In all seriousness I really ask myself everyday how you can live with yourself. Your behavior is atrocious! Against yourselves, as well as eveyone else!

But you’d need an education to know that.

“Instead of focuing on black v white relations, you should find the courage to explore what other groups, like Asians (of all sorts) and Hispanics really think about you. It will probably make you angry, but they have a lower opinion of you than we do.”

Thanks for the advice farmhand, but, but you should probably save it for your next-door neighbors, 2 miles down the dirt road.

Asians aren’t exactly as “diggin’ you” as you think.
http://www.thefighting44s.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3603

And there are a LOT of Latinos who aren’t too happy either.
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/05/14/la-raza-violent-threats-ignored-tea-party-protesters-considered-dangerous-threat-to-america/

Obviously Blacks…. (no link needed)

“None of my points were directly refuted. So, I think it is time to give it a rest.”

You don’t really have any points, you’re just not smart enough to realize it. But yes, do give it a rest. Black people have their problems, just like everybody else. But PLEASE, if you’re White, and you want to make the “other people don’t like you guys” argument, then do start with yourself.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 20:31:01 BD

King
Oh, I would love a trailer in Montana. Big Sky Country, clean air, mountains, don’t get me started on the hot springs, ishing, hunting, breweries, good people, holy moly me oh my!

You have the mind of a slave.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 20:43:22 abagond

@ BD

Whites are by far the most violent people in history. It is not even close.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 20:44:17 Herneith

You never invaded Europe because you never learned how to cooperate on the same level as, well, every other ethnic group in the world.

Oh so you have to cooperate in order to invade other countries and inflict rape and rapine on them? Never knew that. I get it now.

If whites are so bad, then why does half the world want to move to our countries?

Ever hear of moulah? That’s what you get when you spread propaganda. Once many of them get there it’s a different story!

We would be in paradise if no one had ever brought you over. Paradise.

No you wouldn’t. You’d be f*cked, and f*cked royally(Shout out to Elizabeth I, James the I, down to George III). You see they needed labourers who could withstand the elements and were willing to come to ‘America’ in the early days. With the exception of people convicted of crime, not many wanted to come there, hence they had to find labour via indentured servants(white criminals), or natives who they tried their damnedest to kill off via shi**y treaties(must have been their criminal natures), infesting them with diseases, or out and out genocide. They therefore looked towards their Spanish, French and Portuguese brethren and realized that Africa was the way to go. Your ancestors were just too lazy to get on a boat, come to America and work on plantations for next to nothing. They were even willing to screw over their own kind! The cotton gin sealed the deal! Had it not been for slavery, people such as yourself would not even be here to spew their racist vomit. Discuss!

We are trapped, running out of places to flee,

You can always go back to Europe.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 21:00:55 Herneith

You have the mind of a slave.

If anyone has the mind of a slave it is you. A slave to sophistry, bamboozlement and general cupidity, and last but not least, a slave to a rancid ideology. In other words, blow it out your hole!
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 21:01:23 BD

There’s a grand difference between ‘throughout history’ and my neighborhood. You have never had the capablities we have had for killing and war. But you (applying your nonsensical collectivism here) still managed to commit genocide with machetes and radios. Jesus, imagine how many more would’ve died if you were technologically modern!

But in our communities here in America, in white countries in Europe, and black countries everywhere, the violence differential is undenial. Which is safer, South Africa or Norway? Harlem or Greenwich Village? Throughout history? How about throughout your life in your neighborhood? Which group kills most black people?

Once again, you all have this comforting fantasy that, by listing the injustices white people have done to other groups, and themselves, it somehow creates a list of people on your side, POC, that, hand in hand with the Black man, will destroy white ‘supremacy’. But that is not the case. They, Asian, Latinos, even other African immigrants, they don’t see themselves as your allies. They want nothing to do with you. Painful to read, well it’s the truth. Look at the neighborhood level, ethnic cleansing of Blacks by Latinos in LA., etc. You have this fantasy, united, we can destroy the White Man! Except, there is no actual unity between POC. You warming yourself with a thin blanket, and the winter will get colder.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 21:08:12 King

“You have the mind of a slave.

Hahahaha, your hillbilly logic will not avail you here, padawan!

But since none of my points were directly refuted. I think it is time to give it a rest. N’kay?
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 21:13:56 King

“You have never had the capablities we have had for killing and war. But you (applying your nonsensical collectivism here) still managed to commit genocide with machetes and radios. Jesus, imagine how many more would’ve died if you were technologically modern!”

We don’t have to imagine it… we can just look at what the White people in Russia have done? Geez… but “you people” are bloody, aren’t you?

http://www.nonpersons.com/wp-content/gallery/repose-article-images/voroshilov_molotov_stalin_with_nikolai_yezhov.jpg

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-5/soviet-purge.jpg
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 21:16:13 Herneith

Painful to read, well it’s the truth.

Not painful, hemorrhoids and gas pains are painful.

Jesus, imagine how many more would’ve died if you were technologically modern!

Now hold on, Jesus had nothing to do with this! Who sold them the radios and machetes? Anyway what does the goings on in some countries in Africa have to do with your neighbourhood? You keep referencing Africa, not the United States I wonder why? No, I don’t wonder why, your as dense as a brick.

You have this fantasy, united, we can destroy the White Man!

That’s your fantasy, one of martyrdom, you one handed typist. In fact, it probably causes you waves of ecstasy when ever you ponder these things.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 21:21:08 BD

As I see it, one of the main complaints Blacks have about Whites is this, that we see you as a uniform group, that we look at you as a collective, that we don’t judge you as individuals, but rather as entities with the potential only to behave like the worst members of your collective. Fair enough. I can see how that could infuriate many of you. After reading through this blog, it’s one of the few points I find with any validity to it. That anger, I can see that.

But then you throw that away by doing the exact same thing to whites, not only in the here and now in America, but throughout space and time. It’s amazing. King, basic logic and reading comprehension are beyond you. Your defining charactersitic is incoherence.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 21:27:03 BD

`Who sold them the radios and machetes?’

This is perfect. You sell someone radios and machetes, and of course, what do you do with them? Commit genocide! What ese would you do, listen to music? Clear lands for farming?
In your world Blacks have no agency, they are always people acted upon, never able to act themselves. What is really sad is that this belief, widespread amongst you all, is far more racist than anything I believe. I suppose I am only beginning to understand the depth of Black self hatred.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 21:27:42 Cinnamondiva

BD…King did not “threaten” you with anything, let alone decapitation.

Stop trying to justify racism. While you do make some valid points, it all comes down to this…black people are angry for a reason. It is because of the injustices that have been perpetrated for centuries.

Now you might believe that racism ended with slavery. You might believe that racism ended when Barack Obama was elected President. But it is still around. Racism is not dead.

There are definitely black people who are guilty of feeding into stereotypes. Some black people believe that all whites are filled with hate. It is true that not ALL white people are evil. Black people are not a monolith and neither are white people. There is good and bad within every group.

You come here talking all this bullshit about how minorities “take and take” from whites. Are you kidding me? If you had any knowledge of history, you would see that it is really the other way around.

You seem to be saying that ALL black people sit around expecting handouts. This is not true. Do you know any black people personally? I know many successful black people who have never taken anything from anyone. They are doctors, attorneys, dentists, and bankers. They have worked very hard for what they have in life. And guess what? Some of them came from impoverished lives in the ghetto.

And it is not a “POC fantasy against the white man”. You claim that everyone hates black people. Really? Asians and Hispanics who hate black people are simply whitewashed individuals looking for somebody else to dump on. They know they will never be white, so they try to fit in with whites by hating blacks.

I live in a city filled with racist Hispanics. Some have called me the “N” word. I don’t give a damn what they say, because I know who I am. They’re just trying to assimilate into society and the only way they know how to do it is by trying to feel superior. It’s pathetic. Most of them have African blood too, although they would never admit it.

I am not African-American. I am the mixed-race daughter of a proud West Indian mother who came to the U.S. in 1976. But you know what? I don’t hate Black Americans despite the way some have treated me…and some have treated me VERY badly. I empathize with their struggles. I have also faced discrimination and bigotry.

No white American can ever tell me that West Indians do not experience racism and discrimination. We do, but we try to rise above it because we’re better than that.

Maybe you should turn off Fox News and open your mind. Try to see the humanity in everyone, including the people that you seem to view as inferior.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 21:40:17 Blaque Ink

BD,

You may as well go ahead and refer to us blacks here as the n-word. I know you do it with your white friends and only around your white friends. You already confessed that you are a racist; you may as well go all out.

As for your response regarding judging others I see what you’re saying. You’re saying it’s okay for you and others like you to judge blacks collectively especially as how you you it, BUT it’s not okay for blacks to do the same to you and white people.

BD, it’s sad. No, it’s miserable because you think you know more about black people than black people. All you’ve done was made us laugh and frustrated with your nonsense, illogic, and fear mongering tactics. It’s the same tired tune sung over and over again by racists like you.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 21:41:17 King

Has anyone noticed how certain serial dummies come professing to dislike Black people so much, but will then spend hours debating them on the internet?

I’ve brought this up before, but it speaks to a certain need in them to try and somehow strike out at their imagined Black bogey men.

BD is a case in point—His basic argument is, “Duh… I knoes that eviribody else doent realy likes yuo guyzes, I jus’ wantid you to knoew thad.” Then he spends hours saying the same thing each time with a slightly different arrangement of the words.

I mean, does he really think that Black people are going to be all hurt and discouraged because some anonymous hillbilly from Looserville Nebraska says something negative? Sure, a few rounds with a race dummy are OK, just out of general principle, but I mean, he’s not even saying anything original or smart.

He has some dumb theory (that he’s proud of) about how White people will soon stick together as they become a minority and how this will be bad for blah blah blah… from the trailer philosopher…

Now, these kind of synaptic misfires are fine for places like stormfront, where half-cousins with screen names like “Thor”, “Goebbels”, and “Aragorn”, can pontificate on the speed of their own social castration for weeks at a time. But really, outside of that group of race nerds and insecure pantywaists, who even talks about that stuff? What’s next, a lament about how White Womenz aren’t having enough children to keep “the race” strong???

Give me a break… I wonder if these broken bulbs have any idea what a laughing stock they are to everyone else on the internet? Hahahaha. Have a nice Sunday.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 21:47:32 sam

If abagond allows I try to talk to this guy as a another white guy

@BD: “Yes, I am afraid of black people, the violence they cause, everyone is,”.

Well, I am not. I’m not affraid of anyone, not even God Almighty. Well, my mother, but she’s something else of course.

“I guess there is nothing more to learn from you people here. The future will be unpleasant for us all.”

Yes it will, for you. That is what happens when one stops learning new things in life.

“I started out in my youth as your typical lefty, Wise like white person when it comes to race, etc. I never grew up around blacks, but all my experience in adulthood with them have diabused of my previous liberal convictions.”

Typical lefty? No, my son, you were an american idiot. And it seems that you had somekind of hallusinogenic view of the world too. And then, like a kid who just found out that Santa works for the mall, you were dissaponted when all these blacks did not embrace you at once as their saviour or the next Great White Hope for them, and now you just can not get over it. Sorry bout that.

“Which makes you feel more comfortable, walking into a club full of whites, or full of blacks?”

Well, I’ve done both and felt just fine. Once I was in a club in Lagos where my white face was shining like a midday sun among the darker than night crowd and guess what. Nobody bothered me. Strange isn’t it??

“GO AWAY”

You sound abit like Gollum in the LOTR. Also you forget one very important thing: you are just an immigrant yourself. Only guys who can say they are true americans are the Natives and they sometimes wish that all you white guys would really go away. It is their land, after all.

“Liberalism is all about the idea that black behavior can be changed, and nobody believes that anymore, except white liberals who live far removed from the reality of your proximity.”

So you still want to be an american idiot after all? I mean guys like you somehow pile up blacks, left, liberals and jews, and hate them for some reason. I guess you do too. Perhaps it is the yearning for simple explanations.

I have no idea what happened to you, why you became so dissapointed. Maybe some black guy kicked your ass or something, maybe some black chick said No to you even though you liked all blacks as a “typical lefty”. I do not know. But I know this: you are ridicilous.

Why? Because you remind me of my daughter when she was five. Just like all these HBDers, race realists and others here. All you guys whine and moan and bicth how unfair this world is. Get a grip. Grow up! You live in the richest country in this planet, very privilidged existence indeed and you cry here how bad the blacks are. Zeesas!

When I grew up I learned from the get go that world is full of nasty ugly people. I learned from the day one that world can be a violent place. The first day I can remember I was out on our home yard, I had to fight at the sandbox. The first day at school I had to fight. I had to fight every single year at school untill I went to high school. I mean physical fights, punching and kicking and that kind of stuff. In high school things got a bit more serious.

I have seen people stabbed, beaten, chain whipped, beaten with the baseball bats. I have been kicked into head, punched, and once hit in the head with park bench (still got my souveniers from that), been hit with a hockey stick, nunchakus, brass knuckles etc. I have been beaten and I have beaten. Got some close calls. Ran with a ruff crowd. Tuff world out there.

But I never started to hate this world. I loved it, still do. I love life. I never started to hate “all those people”, what ever F that means. I learned that we are all individuals. It is up to us. You and me. Abagond. King. Cynic. Herneith. All of us. There are no pre set rules. There is no destiny, Gods miracle plan, Orders which control our lives. You live the way you want as well as you can. You do your best. That is all.

You felt dissapointed by the blacks and choose to run and hide and cry and bitch how bad they are. I chose the opposite. I traveled. I walked in to that Club full of blacks. I took my chances. Why? So that I could see my self. I was young and full of piss and vinegar. I dared. What did I learn?

I learned that we are all individuals. A black guy in LA is not a black guy in NYC. A black guy in Harlem is not a black guy in Upper East Side. A black american guy is not a black african guy. They do not even speak the same language nor they share the same culture. This black do not like me because I am white. So what? That is his thing. This other black dude and I get along just fine. That is the way it went and is. Everywhere.

This white state trooper do not like me, fine. This white guy from Queens likes me. Fine. These white Feds may shoot me just because I happen to be in a car full of native americans and have similar clothes and a long hair. Fine. These cops point their guns at the car in which I happen to sit with my black buddies at night. Ok.

This one black guy wants to fight me. This other black guy cools the situation down. Fine.

These things happen. It is Life. But these things do not make me hate all the Feds all the time. Nor I hate cops. I know that they have their reasons to act the way they do. I don’t like ot, approve it, but still. It happens.

When I look at a black american I see a american. Not a black. He/she is just like you BD. You are all americans. US citizens. Sometimes I slip. I think “those people” but catch myself and think about it. Why I think like that? What made me think like that? I try to figure it out.

This human population is individuals. For conversations sake it is easier to talk about whites and blacks and indians and mexicans etc. but we are all individuals. Some guys here I like, regardless their color. I do not know what color they are. I know who thinks him/herself as black but for me all of them are names, individuals. Sometimes I agree with them, sometimes I don’t. Sometimes they do not agree with me, sometimes they do. That is normal life.

That is why it is so hard to get anything done. There is so many of us and we are all individuals and we all have our opinions. That is why everything must start from you. That is why I choose not to be a racist. Because I can. It is up to me. You choose to be a racist. That is your choice. You decide.

I am not “typical lefty”. I never was. I went to the army. I boxed. I practised judo. I did some kickboxing. I liked to box. Like I said, I ran with a ruff crowd. One of my friends did 14 years, another 6. Out of our group around fifty, almost half did some time. Two died before 20. Five died fairly early. My best friend died just last year. He was only 46. Hard years took their toll.

Some of us ended into a gutter. Litterally. Couple went to nut house. Some of us did better and some even fine. I became academicly educated person with a professional career. Couple guys became cops themselves. None of us became bitter and disillusioned. We had wives and families. Some of us got separated, some not. Some lost their houses and money, some made even more money. Not one became cry baby.

We learned to take every person as an individual. What ever the color, what ever the ethnicity, what ever, that person has a benefit of doubt. If he/she is ok, so it’ll be. If he/she is an asshole, so it’ll be. And that goes for all of us, black or white. Sorry that you do not see it. But I guess, if one is affraid, you go blind in your Fear.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 21:54:08 King

^ BTW wait for another manifesto of stupidity soon to follow… He’s all wound up now, you see. I believe it was the word “pantywaist” that got his dander up!
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 21:59:04 Blaque Ink

King,

And keep in mind, they say we blacks are inferior. LOL
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 22:02:02 King

@ Blaque Ink

Yeah… and this from a guy who’s idea of advanced “problem solving” is how to get the raccoon out of the outhouse.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 22:05:00 sam

@BD: as far as who is violent and who is not, here is an example of finnish character. This guy was about five feet tall (short), very modest and quiet, liked flowers and knitting, non aggressive individual who liked to be in peace (relatively speaking). And here he is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 22:11:38 sam

@king: “these kind of synaptic misfires are fine for places like stormfront, where half-cousins with screen names like “Thor”, “Goebbels”, and “Aragorn”,”
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 22:48:55 King

Geez… lay it out for him, Sam. Nice work up-thread.
Way to school a fool.
on Sun 10 Apr 2011 at 23:18:21 BD

Sam, you’re a suck up. All you do is agree with whatever Blacks on this site say, and then intersperse your posts with off topic weirdness. You a are bad fiction writer, you sound like a knock off of James Frey. Cliche after cliche, I doubt you’ve ever been to America. But, I do like Finland, Sibelius is great. The Karelian epic, saunas, Nokia, vodka, wonderful!

King, I’m not a hillbilly, though I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. You seem to think poor, rural White people who live in trailers are especially antagonistic to Blacks, that they are more racist than other whites. Do you have any evidence that that is the case? Abagond, how do those lovely, well educated, well spoken White liberals in NYC treat you?
King, you just sound juvenile, immature, or, how shall I put it, child like in your thoughts. You have the mind of a child, forever. I am sorry.
I am none of those things, and, as it should be obvious by now, I probably hold views of you far more negative than some ‘hillbilly’. I would thank you for playing, but you never really did.
It’s great to see you post of video of Blacks doing one of the few things they are good at, entertaining White people. Thanks folks, have a good one.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 02:02:29 Blaque Ink

BD,

Please take your racist mind to a website where you fit in like Stormfront, American Renaissance, or Chimpout.

Have a nice life.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 02:27:37 Franklin

I’m sorry but did no one else notice this line in BD’s post, when he was comparing blacks and whites?

You have never had the capablities we have had for killing and war.

That’s actually quite telling, as it is the classic mindset of the degenerative (racist/stupid/etc…) white that always pops up without fail. Bragging about their “race’s” constant war-like mentality, while riding the coat-tails of past whites that probably looked at their (his) ancestors as filth and waged war with them.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 02:40:53 Lookingforanswers

BD,

I’ve been reading this blog for a while now and have watched you go back and forth day after day with others. These are all new expressions for me (HBDs, Race realists and stuff like that) but I have noticed many times that you say no one answers your questions or replies to your points. Can you provide three clear questions or points that you would like answers or responses to?
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 03:11:37 Lookingforanswers

Actually, it seemed that Unamused felt that his questions were not being answered.

Unamused (or BD), specifically what three points would you like addressed that you think people are dodging?
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 03:28:30 King

“King, you just sound juvenile, immature, or, how shall I put it, child like in your thoughts. You have the mind of a child, forever. I am sorry.”

Deep Sigh.. I tried

How long did it take you to come up with that little speech? Is that it? Is that the best you can do?

You have long since ceased to be an entertaining clown, and have since become a dull and pathetic bore.

But… back a few hours ago, when you were still funny, this is what was funny about you:

You had this ridiculous notion of coming to a mostly Black website, loaded to bare with 7th grade stereotypes about Black people, which you were just a big enough ass to try and share with us—as if it was some kind of important new advice that we haven’t heard before.

Then, when in response, I begin to obviously mirror your own stupidity back to you, by exposing you to your own negative White stereotypes, you start trying to actually reason with me… saying how unfair I’m being to people who live in trailers and eat pancakes for dinner! How can I categorize rural White people like that!!?? Do I have any evidence of trailer park, meth labs to share??? How do I know that they don’t brush their teeth?!! Now I’ll admit, you were a good joke.

The problem is that it’s only funny for so long. Then it just gets sad, like watching a stupid bird with a broken leg. So do yourself a big favor … just be quiet. You are too stupid to be having this conversation. Go home and watch Archie Bunker or work on passing your G.E.D. or something. The joke is now over and you were it.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 03:44:34 BD

If we are so bad, why do you want to be around us? I think Hernieth tried to answer that, but the response was moola. Not good enough.

My argument that most of us prefer to be around people similar to ourselves. Our living patterns ans social lives reflect that reality. Am I wrong? Look at the map at the top of this screen. Contrary to what many of you think, we all live very segregated lives. Whites probably don’t know what life is like for most Blacks. BUt that is true the other way around too. Their is an assumption that you all know what it is like to be White. You don’t. Where you live, what you think, your social activities, all bear that out.

And the POC argument. You see things on Black WHite dichotomy. Whereas the reality is every other group comes to the same conclusions about your behavior as whites do. You may seek examples of war and violence. BUt now, in modern America, no one discussed the very real violence between Blacks and Hispanics, or the mutual hositility between Koreans, Jews, and Araba on the one hand and Blacks on the other.

And, am I more racist than nice White liberals you see in New York? Judged on behavior, where you live, etc?
What makes hillbilleis more racist than White liberals?
Abagond did try to answer my question about the future, though I think he should give it alt more thought. All of you should. If their is one thing on this blog Ihave found to be true it is this. YOu complain that whites see themselves as neutral, as the default, as simply Americans. You’re right. When we describe situations and people, we never say ‘an this White person said this’. We only point out their race when they aren’t White. It seems you want that to change, and it will, but when it does, how will that change how Whites view minorities? My arguments about this, about how it will be bad for everyone when 90% of whites vote Republican, 90% blacks vote Democrat. The people here just seem to think ‘You will have to stop being racist!’ And leave it at that. I’d like to see real interaction with that question. But, judging by the language of many here, that seems unlikely…

I just haven’t seen a legitimate grappling with any of these problems. Instead, I have VD, should be decapitated, or I speak poor English, I live in a trailer. All of these things, true or not, are immaterial to the questions I raise. Yet they are the heart of the responses I receive. I’m a racist, ok, fine, but does that change the reality of Black v Hispanic mutual antipathy? The reality of self segregation?
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 04:02:06 BD

King, the gap in our intellectual abilities is the real cause of our dispute. You are simply incapable of reasoning with me, of answering my questions in a mature way, of any rationality at all. Whereas I find myself puzzling over your leaps and bounds all over the place, your mix of the irrelevant and darkly violent.
I read your words and find the standard deviation alive and well. Stay angry lad. You will. Just, please, don’t kill or rape anybody (black or white or anyone) out of anger for not being smart enough for anything beyond the barbershop floor sweeper.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 04:04:21 King

Yawn… at least try to be clever, farmhand.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 04:09:08 Blaque Ink

Franklin,

I noticed it as well, and it is very telling. It’s frightening that BD made this statement as if to brag about it. Yet, he says that blacks are violent and wonders what’s wrong with THEM. It’s baffling.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 04:09:27 The Cynic

Lmao!!!! This BD dude is funny. Another day, another crazy!
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 04:17:05 BD

Black Ink,
I made that statement to show why whites were able to do what they did. It’s a statement of fact, not pride. Blacks never developed the machines, weapons, and strategies that allowed Whites to conquer everyone else. It’s a technical matter. I’m not proud of that at all. I’ve never denied the brutalities of Europeans throughout the history of the world. It just doesn’t justify the violence wrought upon us all by the Black community’s resentment and rage today.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 04:18:19 Blaque Ink

BD,

You must love the attention from blacks and white liberals. Why else would you constantly come back here?

Anyway, I’m done. I’m exiting this merry-go-round.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 04:30:56 Lookingforanswers

@ BD

Ok. I can answer/address these:

1. If we are so bad, why do you want to be around us?”

Answer: Blacks do not want to live around White people per se. Blacks just want access to the things White people have or enjoy and some think the only way to have access to those things is by being around Whites. What things? Safe neighborhoods, good schools, good supermarkets, clean streets, etc…

2. My argument that most of us prefer to be around people similar to ourselves. Our living patterns ans social lives reflect that reality. Am I wrong?

Answer: No, you are right. The thing is many Blacks rightfully won’t be inclined to do this at the expense of their children having little access to safe neighborhoods, good schools, good supermarkets, clean streets, etc…

3. Their is an assumption that you all know what it is like to be White. You don’t. Where you live, what you think, your social activities, all bear that out.

Answer: I agree here also. Blacks do not really know how Whites live. I think the same goes for Whites in connection with Blacks. I split my time between Black and Whites pretty evenly so I know this to be true.

4. And the POC argument. You see things on Black WHite dichotomy. Whereas the reality is every other group comes to the same conclusions about your behavior as whites do.

Answer: Also true. But what I think you are overlooking is that these conclusions are not without assistance from the media and mainstream America at large. They are not independent/unbiased assessments of who we are.

5. You may seek examples of war and violence. BUt now, in modern America, no one discussed the very real violence between Blacks and Hispanics, or the mutual hositility between Koreans, Jews, and Araba on the one hand and Blacks on the other.

Answer: What you may not realize is that they all get together and discuss how much they despise Whites too. And honestly speaking, they hate Whites more.

6 . And, am I more racist than nice White liberals you see in New York? Judged on behavior, where you live, etc?

Answer: Nope. They don’t really hirer us either.

7. What makes hillbilleis more racist than White liberals?

Answer: At the end of the day, nothing. They just come across as meaner toward us.

8. Abagond did try to answer my question about the future, though I think he should give it alt more thought. All of you should. If their is one thing on this blog Ihave found to be true it is this. YOu complain that whites see themselves as neutral, as the default, as simply Americans. You’re right. When we describe situations and people, we never say ‘an this White person said this’. We only point out their race when they aren’t White. It seems you want that to change, and it will, but when it does, how will that change how Whites view minorities? My arguments about this, about how it will be bad for everyone when 90% of whites vote Republican, 90% blacks vote Democrat. The people here just seem to think ‘You will have to stop being racist!’ And leave it at that. I’d like to see real interaction with that question. But, judging by the language of many here, that seems unlikely…

Answer: I actually agree with you mostly on this point. I think Barack Obama’s election was a wakeup call and tipping point for many Whites. They do not want to live in an America where they are the minority and after the election, many finally realized that that day of reckoning was closer than they thought. This will cause a reaction where open racism will be viewed as an ok form of self preservation and the one thing Whites know how to do above all else is preserve self – especially at the expense of others. It will not be pretty.

9. I just haven’t seen a legitimate grappling with any of these problems. Instead, I have VD, should be decapitated, or I speak poor English, I live in a trailer. All of these things, true or not, are immaterial to the questions I raise. Yet they are the heart of the responses I receive. I’m a racist, ok, fine, but does that change the reality of Black v Hispanic mutual antipathy? The reality of self segregation?

Answer: I have a few ideas on this that I think could prove acceptable to Whites and Blacks but will only elaborate if you really want me to.

Can you let me know if I answered your questions and if you want me to propose a few ideas that could work?
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 04:56:10 BD

@Looking for answers…
I have to say I really appreciate the tone of your response. Yes, you did, very well think.I would like you to elaborate.
If there is one thing I want people here to understand it is this, so many of the discussions about racism are really nothing more than a not so subtle game of moral status seeking amongst whites. Positions, postures, etc. Which is why, though the things I have written here are perhaps, hard to deal with, or make you angry, their purpose is neither of those things. Their purpose is to be honest, both with how I feel and to show how clearly that is in accord with how most Whites act and behave.
Elaborate away…
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 05:21:09 King

I have to say I really appreciate the tone of your response. Yes, you did, very well think.

“Jews don’t like you, Asians don’t like you, Hispanics don’t like you (and aren’t afraid to prove it either). No one. Why is that? Well we can debate back and forth forever about genetics this and that, but at the end of the day the collective behavior of African Americans is so repugnant to just about everyone, even successful Nigerian immigrants, Ethiopians, Indians. Everyone who comes into contact with you arrives at the same stereotypes, rude, stupid, violent, angry, hatred of foreigners, incompetent, unreliable, impulsive, etc, etc. It goes on and on. Be it Hasidic Jews in New York or Koreans in LA or Arabs in Detroit or whites everywhere, we all come to the same conclusoins about you people.”
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 05:31:15 abagond

@ BD:

You are not looking at the world honestly, but instead through a racist lens. For example, you use Rwanda to prove how savage and violent blacks are while the tens of millions killed in the Second World War is proof of how advanced whites are.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 05:47:16 abagond

The Cynic said:

-I’m in fear of black crime even more than the ppl who live next door to it! Blacks

Excellent point: whites make a bigger deal about black crime even though they are way less affected by it.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 05:47:23 BD

Savage, violent, advanced…
None of those adjective exclude each other, and the first two most certainly apply to WW2, and many other conflicts involving whites. The Rwanda comment was made to show that the reason blacks did not do what whites (speaking in thse broad, collectivist terms) did, conquer, etc, was not because they are more peaceful, but because their technological abilites didn’t allow them to project power onto others as well as those of whites. That’s a statement of fact. But, there was a question of agency that none answered in that comment of mine. Radios and machetes, listen to music and cut down crops, or genocide? Who determines that?

I am presenting my thoughts to you honestly. That was a very poor example on your part.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 05:56:18 abagond

It is not in presenting your views where you lack apparent honesty – it is in how you look at the world. It seems you look for the worst in blacks and find reasons to excuse the worst in whites.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 05:57:21 Lookingforanswers

@ BD,

“Elaborate away…”

Ok, so here is what I think can work: Whites and America at large should seriously assist in stabilizing Black communities. If they do this, Blacks would simply choose to live among ourselves because we would have everything we need. This can be done by:

1. Getting serious about gun control laws or outlawing them altogether

2. Decriminalize marijuana. I have never used drugs but it doesn’t take an Einstein to see that sending Black men to prison because of marijuana and separating them from their families is not helping. It is also a major drain on resources of every city and county in the country. It is very expensive to lock people up.

3. For Black men that do go to jail, rehabilitate them with skills that lead to self employment (opening a barbershop comes to mind) because it is almost impossible for them to get a job from someone else once they come out and the cycle of poverty and crime will start all over again.

4. Make prenatal care free and mandatory along with drug screening for known drug users that are pregnant. Commit them to a medical facility for supervision for the duration of pregnancy if any drugs are found in system

5. Make smoking and drinking illegal for pregnant woman

6. Dismantle the teachers union so bad teachers can get fired, schools can get better and children can have a fighting chance at having a good education.

7. Make school breakfast and lunch completely free and healthy (no more hamburgers and hotdogs)

8. Make school all year (teachers already get paid for the time.)

9. Make school on Saturdays mandatory all year

10. Extend school day until 6 with mandatory study hours from 3 – 6

11. Stop shutting out qualified Black men from job opportunities simply because it requires Whites to step outside of their comfort zone at work. Have an honest hiring process, picking the best qualified person for the job, not just the person whom is most like you (White) or some friend of a friend. It is hard for any man to have self worth if he can’t find employment.

12. Make it easier to get loans for opening Black businesses like supermarkets instead of liquor stores.

I know some of these would seem pretty radical for many Whites (outlawing guns especially) but if it will work, why not?

Ironically, by stabilizing the Black community, the one thing we really want, you will get exactly what you want, Blacks generally staying to themselves.

What do you think? What do you think I missed?
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 06:25:03 BD

Abagond,
That is probably true. I find myself hearing stories about unarmed Black men being shot by cops, and thinking, ‘I don’t care’. I wasn’t always like that. I’m honest about my feelings, there they are, they weren’t always like that. My parents, friends, schools, my whole environment actively taught against this kind of thinking. But, here I am. I would say though, I ignore the good more than look for the worst in blacks. A minor quibble perhaps, but a valid one. As for whites, I myself am still in two worlds about ‘excusing the worst’, because right now I don’t find myself 100% behind the idea of seeing myself as a White man above and beyond everything else. I prefer being a man, an American, the neutral, as it were. But I feel that history is pushing me in the opposite direction. I don’t like it. But the more I am pushed, I suppose, the more I seem willing to excuse, if only in the context of race relations in modern America.

@LFA
Some of those are great like ending the drug war. Bad for every reason. And crappy school lunches have to go. But, alot of these programs require money we just don’t have. Gun control on that level will never happen. Rural whites have such a different relationship with guns that both urban blacks and whites. A stricter school culture helps everyone too. But, the number one thing is jobs, good jobs, and most blacks will never get them as the country continues to import millions of low wage workers. They undercut wages, especially in the lowest skilled workers, and those workers were disporportionately black. Back in the day, being a janitor in LA was a good job, lots of blacks made good, solid, decent money with that job. Now that job is non union and pays nothing. I think hatred of the white man blinds blacks to this reality. If you stop immigratin, their will be more, better paying jobs.
As for 11, seeing whie as a monolith prevents minorities from realizing how divided we really are, along all sorts of lines of class and ethnicity, etc, etc. and thus howexcluded so many whites also are from job hiring. But, the only objective way for job hiring is through, blind testing, and that shows a consistent black white gap. So, blacks are the ones against that.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 06:30:16 BD

Also,
I would support something like mandatory equal funding instead of integrated schools. Busing and forced integration has failed in every way, and it would make everyone happier if schools were organized by neighborhood proximity, but received equal funding per student. I don’t believe in legal segregation, but that doesn’t mean I believe in forced integration.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 06:38:16 The Cynic

Busing and forced integration

Is this even done on a massive scale anymore??? My high school and pretty much every school I have attended besides university has been 99.99% black! Pretty much all of the schools in my old school system have the same demographics.

^This is the exact paranoia I was talking about. They find 102 useless reasons to hate blacks. Nvm the fact that blk ppl didn’t even pass those school integration laws during the Civil Rights era. White ppl did, so hate yourself for what your own race did!
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 06:39:57 The Cynic

White racist Americans whine, complain, and b*tch too much. I laugh when they accuse blacks of the same. Talk about irony!
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 06:49:33 King

http://www.myshrink.com/online-crisis-counseling.php

not even meant as a joke.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 08:58:00 Lookingforanswers

@BD

“But, alot of these programs require money we just don’t have.”

We will have it if we stop spending the money we do have unwisely (corporate welfare, farm substitutes, stupid wars, no bid contracts, etc…) Think of the countless dollars spent on the drug war and prisons. We also have a revenue issue (unnecessary tax cuts, and tax loopholes). Teachers already get paid for the summer and prenatal care if far cheaper than what we pay when kids come out screwed up. We just need to change our priorities and take the long view on some of these things.

“Gun control on that level will never happen. Rural whites have such a different relationship with guns that both urban blacks and whites.”

But if that’s what it takes, why won’t urban Whites fight for it? Why should rural Whites decide the fate of the country? Wouldn’t this be a great opportunity for urban White/Black unity?

“But, the number one thing is jobs, good jobs, and most blacks will never get them as the country continues to import millions of low wage workers.”

Easy – National Guard on the border “pronto”. Tie legal immigration to unemployment rate. Over 6% triggers autmatic freeze on immigration until it gets back under 6% for 6 months. Legalize all illegals without criminal records the day after National Guard is on border. They will fine and start paying taxes (more revenue for the projects I mentioned). Some other form of National Service will be required for breaking the rules in the first place. Must learn English in 3 yrs. Make future illegal immigration a felony with no more catch and release. They have to do the time of they do the crime. Whites and Blacks need to get serious about this. This is where your argument about the fallacy of Blacks seeing every POC as being on the same team proves most true and where we “work against our own economic interest”, a phrase we use a lot in connection with Whites when we talk about race.

“and thus howexcluded so many whites also are from job hiring.”

What do you mean?

“But, the only objective way for job hiring is through, blind testing, and that shows a consistent black white gap. So, blacks are the ones against that.”

Not looking for equal outcomes, just equal opportunity. How about just not having the job filled even before it’s posted and selecting/interview applicants in good faith?

I haven’t even mentioned my health care and SS plan yet.
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 11:25:24 sam

@BD:

“Sam, you’re a suck up. All you do is agree with whatever Blacks on this site say, and then intersperse your posts with off topic weirdness. You a are bad fiction writer, you sound like a knock off of James Frey. Cliche after cliche, I doubt you’ve ever been to America. But, I do like Finland, Sibelius is great. The Karelian epic, saunas, Nokia, vodka, wonderful!”
Really? Well, I must admit that lived in States back in the 80′s and early 90′s so things might be a bit different now. You have a black president for starters

I do not agree whatever “blacks” on this site say, and abagond does not always agree with me. I don’t even agree with my friends on “whatever”. I’m that kind of a guy. I am not a Yes man for no one or anything. No ideology, no religion, no boss, no job, there is nothing under the sun that I agree with on everything all the time. Maybe it is my bullheaded stubborn individualism that makes me like that.

“You a are bad fiction writer”.

You are right, which is why I don’t write fiction.

“Cliche after cliche”

Like what? I know it is hard to live in Nowhere Town Nebraska and count the grass and imagine what is out there, but I recommend that you hop on a buss and go see it for your self. That could be a real eye opener.

I think the very big problem for you is that you have no idea of things. You imagine them. Therefore when I tell you that we chased a rapist out of our builidng with my black buddy Steven one night, you start to see a movie, you imagine how that might be. And since you have no experiences of such incidents, you assume that it must be fantasy. Oh yes, that rapist was another black guy whom Steven and the other blacks in that building hated with a gusto. Guy was hurting other blacks too.

You have seen a road stop by the Feds perhaps in a movie or two. You have no experience of that. I have. I know how it feels when someone with AR-15 shouts those commands for you and they sound very much more convincing in the real world than in the movies, let me tell you.

For what is worth, these things happen when you live. They do happen in real world. They do not look anything you se in the movies, there is no exciting music track, there is no fancy lightning on the set, cops are not ruggedly handsome, guns are not fallic symbols with nice gleam. But they are real.

Violence is not nice. There is nothing stylish about it. It is just like racism. It is mundane, boring, ugly, dull and dirty. Nobody leaps in the air and do kicks in midflight. Nobody says anything funny or genious. That is reality. You learn it if and when you choose to live.

I’m a man who’s going to be fifty soon. I don’t need to make up things. I have no need to decorate my life with imaginary aspects. I don’t need to be nice to anyone, black or white or purple or goulish green. I am settled now and set in my ways. But as a younger man I went out and checked out the world. I wanted to do so.

As I was standing on the exit of 96th street subway station one night back in 87, I was thinking how strange this life can be. There I was, a finn, in NYC, breathing that humid hot air of late summer, listening that giant city around me. Maybe I was a fool, but I wanted to experience my life to the fullest. And I did. I recommend that you do the same instead of bitching in your room.

And about the clichés:

“I do like Finland, Sibelius is great. The Karelian epic, saunas, Nokia, vodka, wonderful!”

I bet that you never been in a real sauna in your life. I know just one american guy who really likes to bath in a real finnish sauna the way we do it. Most I know just sit in with towel around them and look miserable. They usually leave when the real bathing begins, at nude in +80 celsius degree heat.

You know nothing about what Sibelius is for us finns. Nokia is no longer a finnish company either, has not been for years, it is mostly owned by american investors. Goes to show how little you actually know about anything. And we do not call our hard stuff vodka at all, as you would know if you had been here and did not just play with the clichés. Vodka is something russians and poles drink, not we.

The Karelian epic?? My mother is carelian, from Suojärvi region which had to be given to USSR after the war. She was a refugee, three days old when Winter war broke out and spent the first week of her life in dirty diapers in refugee train. What do you know about Karelian epic? You mean Kalevala, the book one swedish speaking finn wrote after colleting carelian stories and poems from Carelia? Talking about clichés…

I truly recommend that you get up from your butt and travel around the world. Get to know people instead of reading about them. First location for you might be some African country, perhaps Rwanda. Go see it for your self. Then you can really say how it was. Talk to those hutus and tutsis and get to know the story from those who lived it.

These things are not simple. Everything in real world is more complicated than in the News. There is no Black and White, just endless shades of gray. f you talk to the US vets about the Iraki war, you’ll get as many versions of it as you meet the guys. Why? Because we are all individuals. That is how our world is. You see things your way, I see them my way.

Based on my own experiences, I think racism is just stupid. It is ignorant and childish. Just like any other ideology, it appeals to those who are unsecure, affraid, feel powerless. It gives comfort. It makes things clear. It gives something coherent in a world which is anything but.

Well, based on my own experiences, this world is not coherent, clear, fair, clean cut, or anything so simple. It is complicated. It is twisted, endless maze. There is not one line, there are millions. There is not a one way, there are millions. That is why we have to think. That is the only way to even understand this tiny bit of it we like to call our own life. Stopping to think, choosing one ideology as ones only way to live, is same as dying. Racism is same as dying. Not living.

Peace!
on Mon 11 Apr 2011 at 15:54:00 zek j evets

Wow!

I got away for a minute to start a new job, and all of a sudden the whole blogosphere is roiling in the deeps with Stormfront-esque wannabe-scientific racists!

Abagond, I think you’re right. Probably about time we move it along and let the haters drown in their own spew. Obviously they’ll never be convinced of the obvious — for these are people affected with True Believerism! Dare I quote Neil Gaiman? “The really dangerous people believe they are doing whatever they are doing solely and only because it is without question the right thing to do. And that is what makes them dangerous.”

It is impossible for the hater to give up their hatred, to let go of their deep-seated need to create structures which supplant morality and reinforce their self-imposed justification for their own inadequacies. Or to put it better, let me paraphrase Kierkegaard:

“Once he would gladly have given everything to be rid of this agony, but he was kept in waiting; now it is too late, now he would rather rage against everything and be the wronged victim of the whole world and of all life, and it is of particular significance to him to make sure that he has his torment on hand and that no one takes it away from him… What demonic madness — the thought that most infuriates him is that eternity could get the notion to deprive him of his misery.”

(Been rereading my quote collection lately and finding applicable knowledge bombs worth dropping.)

These are the saddest of the sad, the lowest common denominator among racism in our country. The mouth-foamers, the Tea Baggers, the neoliberal neocons, the marginalized angry White male, the disaffected remnant of backwards thinking that could best be compared to the — now defunct — Flat Earth Society.

In the face of all evidence to the contrary, these people prefer to act the way of all babies. Stick fingers deep into their ears and shout, “NA NA NA NA If can’t hear you then you’re wrong!”

The pretense of objectivity they make is because deep down, they secretly hate themselves much more than they hate us. That is why they constantly attempt to seem objective, when the truth is that they — and us — are anything but. Yet the truth is the truth, and my debates on this blog have taught me that even those who build a religion out of rationalized bigotry will never be able to convince anyone of anything once we have seen that truth. You cannot erase your first experience with gravity, or heat, or cold; and you cannot erase your first experience with racism.

For me, I’ll keep on blogging as well, writing about the good word. For them, everything I write will be their excuse to go into convulsions, which just goes to show which one of us matters more to the other. Without me, they’d have no hatred to keep them going. Without them, we’d be just the same as we are now.
on Tue 12 Apr 2011 at 01:56:36 Lookingforanswers

@ zek j evets

“I got away for a minute to start a new job, and all of a sudden the whole blogosphere is roiling in the deeps with Stormfront-esque wannabe-scientific racists!”

Curious, are you referring to any of my comments?
on Tue 12 Apr 2011 at 05:01:22 eddie

Very interesting!
on Tue 12 Apr 2011 at 06:34:14 zek j evets

I wasn’t referring to your comments Lookingforanswers. Mostly I was referring specifically to BD, and Unamused as well.

You did present some interesting ideas, but as far as policy they’d probably be best served in another thread. Here there be pseudoscience to debunk! ; )
on Tue 12 Apr 2011 at 22:20:46 Pete

“In the face of all evidence to the contrary, these people prefer to act the way of all babies.”

Actually, tracking the debate about your two blog posts on the topic, you are the person who fails to acknowledge the evidence against his position. Like, gee, the fact that not a single representative IQ-test that shows no racial gap has ever been administered. Or that no one has ever proved that genetics do not have significant impact on IQ.

Now, who is the one blindly believing in biological egalitarianism?
on Tue 12 Apr 2011 at 22:33:31 King

“no one has ever proved that genetics do not have significant impact on IQ.”

No one has also ever proved that Kellogg’s Pop-Tarts do not have significant impact on IQ.

That’s not the way it works, genius.
on Tue 12 Apr 2011 at 23:09:06 Pete

Actually, it is. We have a logical proposition and it is falsifiable. So falsify it. Or, alternatively – shut up and know that your argument reflects your subjectivity (which is what you all do, no matter how hard you try to deny it).

And, before embarassing yourself with comments about how science works, a little bit of reading about philosophy of science. You know, like Popper, Ernst Mach ‘n’ shit.
on Wed 13 Apr 2011 at 00:43:51 King

Petey, we don’t go around the entire universe testing everything in it to see if it has significant impact on IQ.

If someone thinks that genetics impacts I.Q then they FIND EVIDENCE OF THE GENE, and then we know. The hypothesis is proven in the positive case, not the negative.

THAT is the way it works.

“You know, like Popper, Ernst Mach ‘n’ shit.”

Hahahaha! Wow… shall I be impressed now, or should I wait until you actually understand them?
on Wed 13 Apr 2011 at 01:58:32 zek j evets

Actually, tracking the debate about your two blog posts on the topic, you are the person who fails to acknowledge the evidence against his position. Like, gee, the fact that not a single representative IQ-test that shows no racial gap has ever been administered. Or that no one has ever proved that genetics do not have significant impact on IQ.

No, I acknowledge sociobiology and evolutionary psychology as valid scientific fields, but scientific racism is NOT science, despite its attempts to seem like it.

Also, plenty of studies have shown that the racial IQ gap is flawed and downright false. Check my latest post for sources, since you’re so interested in my writing.

Meanwhile, HBD continues to be pseudoscience, and race-realists continue to be racists.
on Wed 13 Apr 2011 at 12:36:33 Pete

“Hahahaha! Wow… shall I be impressed now, or should I wait until you actually understand them?”

I actually understand them, unlike you. The burden of proof is on your side but instead of doing the (impossible) job, you prefer to obscure and blabber, hiding behind unquantifiable arguments and subjective valuations.

“Also, plenty of studies have shown that the racial IQ gap is flawed and downright false. Check my latest post for sources, since you’re so interested in my writing.”

I’ve already checked it. It is full of misrepresentation, logical fallacies, sraw man arguments and general incoherence, especially in the part about whether race is a valid taxonomical classification (I’ll give you a hint: even if it is not, ethnic background/geographical ancestry are and they basically tell you the same).
on Wed 13 Apr 2011 at 15:06:09 sam

@pete: prove your point first. You can not. That is an absolute scientifical fact.

You BELIEVE. Just like some people believe in Jesus Christ of the bible stories and church. Just like some believe in UFO aliens living among us or that there is a lost continent somewhere under the Atlantic.

You have no proof, no evidence, nothing. That is why you have to believe. And you do. Sorry about that.
on Wed 13 Apr 2011 at 17:16:39 zek j evets

The burden of proof is on your side

Actually it isn’t. In science, those who wish to prove a theory which contradicts current scientific fact are saddled with the burden of proof.

Fact: most people have never heard of HBD. Fact: HBD is not a widespread theory in any scientific field. Fact: nobody mentions HBD specifically in any major news outlet on any regular basis to any substantial audience.

HBD is NOT considered by the public and academia at all. Thus, the burden of proof lies with those who wish to present it as fact.

I’ve already checked it. It is full of misrepresentation, logical fallacies, sraw man arguments and general incoherence, especially in the part about whether race is a valid taxonomical classification (I’ll give you a hint: even if it is not, ethnic background/geographical ancestry are and they basically tell you the same).

By misrepresentation do you by chance mean evidence which contradicts your racism? Sorry, but just because you don’t like my arguments doesn’t make them wrong. And the fact is, most people agree with me, especially scientists — whom I source and cited at length, and whose evidence I present in multitude.

Apparently you don’t have anything other than an angry rant and your own personal belief that WE are wrong and YOU are right. This is called deluding yourself.

Have fun with that, you silly troll ; )
on Wed 13 Apr 2011 at 17:30:02 King

Zek, this guy doesn’t debate, he just makes brainless pronouncements.

He obviously doesn’t even have a clue as to how the scientific method even works. But I love how this type of specimen always comes in with this air of superiority and inflated self importance!

“I read Popper, Ernst, and Mach, so watch out!”

Hahahaha! What a cretin.
on Wed 13 Apr 2011 at 18:03:10 sam

@king: I have read Mary Poppins, Ernst Hemingway and Macchiavelli so look out!!
on Wed 13 Apr 2011 at 18:07:35 King

Well Sam, I believe you have to read The Prince in medieval Italian, or it doesn’t count!
on Wed 13 Apr 2011 at 19:27:54 zek j evets

King,

Haha, I know. It’s like Whack-a-Mole — the scientific racism edition!

But I enjoy elucidating the hatred of bigots. Makes me feel all articulate and sh!t =P

P.S. If I read Karl Marx does that automatically make me a communist?? (O.o)
on Wed 13 Apr 2011 at 23:33:48 sam

@king: damned :/
on Thu 14 Apr 2011 at 11:34:14 Pete

“Apparently you don’t have anything other than an angry rant and your own personal belief that WE are wrong and YOU are right. This is called deluding yourself.”

Actually, I do. Expect a post on your blog these days thoroughly demolishing every idiocy you have published.

“You have no proof, no evidence, nothing. That is why you have to believe. And you do. Sorry about that.”

I have evolutionary theory, a bunch of IQ data and reason. You have no quantifiable proof – just a bunch of political and ethical claims. You are the blind believer.

“He obviously doesn’t even have a clue as to how the scientific method even works.”
I have already told you – FALSIFY my claim with an objective, quantifiable fact. You cannot. Therefore, you are a pathetic troll.
on Thu 14 Apr 2011 at 13:55:44 Pete

I have posted a comment on Zek’s blog (God bless calm work afternoons). Let’s see whether he will publish it. Or simply confirm his political partisanship.
on Thu 14 Apr 2011 at 16:40:35 zek j evets

Pete,

No, you posted a rant with no sources or citations or direct refutations of anything I had written on the subject. You denied everything that contradicted your beliefs, and then fumbled an opinion on why without any regard to how the evidence I presented was wrong.

Also, you attempted to publish your post about 5 times, all of them going to spam folder. And no, I didn’t publish your comments because I don’t allow racists to comment on matter of race. But before you get all self-righteous about me lacking the ability to engage in serious discussion let me ask you this: do you ever ask a person who cannot see what they think of the color red? Now apply that to yourself.

Oh, also, FALSIFY my claim with an objective

That is not my job. You make the claim, you provide the proof. Since you haven’t, and since you’ve just been making grandiose statements like an angry drunk I’d say that makes you the troll.

By the way, this is science not a debate. You need to construct a hypothesis, test it, and then present your findings. The burden of proof is always upon you to back-up your claims.

Good luck with that ; )
on Thu 14 Apr 2011 at 18:28:17 Pete

“Also, you attempted to publish your post about 5 times, all of them going to spam folder. ”

Haha, it only shows that you do not even read anything I wrote.
I did not post my take on you 5 times. It was only one post that I could not fit into blogger (it allows only 4096 characters per post; my post was (is) 13 117 characters). So, apparently you did not actually read what I wrote. So far for your claims of honest debate.
Also, I refuted most of your arguments on logical level. I do not need citations in order to do that. Unamused showered you with citations. You do not even bothered to answer his take.
You, sir, are a prejudiced, close minded, politically motivated fool. You do not hear or consider the arguments of your opponents.
on Thu 14 Apr 2011 at 18:29:51 Pete

@King,
““I read Popper, Ernst, and Mach, so watch out!”

Hahahaha! What a cretin.”

For your information, there is no Ernst and Mach. There is only one Ernst Mach.
At least try not to be completely ignorant.
on Thu 14 Apr 2011 at 18:30:42 sam

@pete:

“I have evolutionary theory, a bunch of IQ data and reason.”

No you do not. You BELIEVE you do. Huge difference.
on Thu 14 Apr 2011 at 18:47:36 Pete

For the purpose of demonstrating Zek’s hypocrisy, I re-posted my take here:
http://onetimetake.blogspot.com/2011/04/my-comment.html

Anyone can judge for themselves whether I have not refuted “anything” Zek wrote.
Also, my goal is not to prove HBD. Smarter people will do that in time. My goal with this post was to demonstrate the hipocrisy and lack of logical faculty of Zek’s posts. For which I do not need any citation. Not that anything I cited would have mattered. Even if we had full mapping and understanding of the role of each gene in the determination of intelligence and if it showed racial differences in intelligence, people like you still will not care. Debating with you is pointless. I’m out – especially knowing that I hold the moral high ground regarding objectivity (if there is any at all).

@Sam,
“No you do not. You BELIEVE you do. Huge difference.”
Could say the same for you. Your whole view on this matter is based solely on egalitarian belief (or, if you are actually black, on self-interest).
on Thu 14 Apr 2011 at 18:51:21 abagond

@ Pete:

So why not just post it here?
on Fri 15 Apr 2011 at 00:37:37 Herneith

Anyone can judge for themselves whether I have not refuted “anything” Zek wrote.

Another guy promoting his blog! Will it never end? Must you write a tome?

So why not just post it here?

Be careful what you ask for!
on Fri 15 Apr 2011 at 03:29:17 Unamused

Once again I embark on the futile mission of explaining to Zek why he is wrong, beginning with his inability to properly cite sources.
on Fri 15 Apr 2011 at 04:38:27 Unamused

I attempted to inform Zek of my latest rebuttal to his pseudo-scientific nonsense, but he chose to delete the comment.

He seems to be afraid of debate. If all the facts were against me, I would be too.
on Fri 15 Apr 2011 at 04:46:39 zek j evets

Be careful what you ask for!

Too late. They’ve already begun the self-promotion.

However, they are right about two things. I used the shortened title of a book, and guessed at the wrong page number. Dang! I guess that just completely demolished my evidence…

Oh wait, no it didn’t.

Silly racists, tricks are for kids!

Pete,

I refuted most of your arguments on logical level. I do not need citations in order to do that.

Haha, this is too hilarious! Apparently you don’t need logic either. Or any kind of science. Just a racist attitude and some free time =P
on Fri 15 Apr 2011 at 04:49:18 zek j evets

Unamused,

Posting a link to your blog is not a comment or a rebuttal. It’s self-promotion. Oy vey.
on Fri 15 Apr 2011 at 05:24:31 sam

@pete: I am whiter than you, from the most homogenious nation in the world, so hush hush there, my racially mixed friend.

“Your whole view on this matter is based solely on egalitarian belief”.

No it is not. My view is based on science, mainly biology and genetics, which has shown in the past two decades without a doubt that we are all one. Out of 25 000 genetic points 50 have anything to do with our skin color, hair etc. And that, my racially mixed friend, makes us all same as a biological spieces.

Also, they found the gene mutation which makes us white long ago, in 1990′s. Originally we were all black and still are, we just happen to have this mutation in our genes, which makes us look as white. And just to make you even more confused, the guy who found this gene mutation is asian! And to make you even more confused, they found the same mutation from neanderthal bones found in Spain!

You can live in denial, keep on believing, but the race train left the station long ago. You are trying to catch it by hudred years old timetable. It won’t happen, buddy.

You want to see the future of our kind, your kind? You want to see how we all are going to look in few decades from here? You want to see what kind of people your children are going to live with? Go to Brazil. Yeap, it is happening and there is nothing you or anybody else can do about it. It is called evolution.
on Fri 15 Apr 2011 at 21:10:47 Blaque Ink

I swear, as long as someone, anyone, preaches that some people are more human than others, racists, race realists, white supremacists, and the like will follow them like stray dogs looking for food.

However, when someone proves them wrong and proves they prefer to hate instead of common sense, wisdom, and love, they come out of the woodwork to preach their gospel of pseudo-science, racism, and intolernace.

It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic.
on Sat 16 Apr 2011 at 13:50:59 Herneith

@unamused:

You are full of sh*t. I posted a comment on your blog about your obsession with Zek but you deleted it! So much for debate. Here it is in it’s entirety:

Are you in love with this guy? After all, he is Jewish, male, and smart, the trifecta of HBD! I can’t tell you how big his genitals are as I don’t know how much if any black blood he may possess. If you are lusting after him, just admit it and stop writing reams of bullsh*t debunking him. Admit you are lusting after him, you protest too much! You know you want him! Oh, and get a job, you have too much time on your hands!

Why did you not debate or rebut my points? Explain the futility of my claims. You claim to be for freedom of speech, but only selectively so!

I refuted most of your arguments on logical level. I do not need citations in order to do that.

Thank goodness for small mercies. That makes the two of us as I to know when I am being baffled by bullsh*t! Tell me, did you receive this information through a receptor in the atmosphere?

@pete: I am whiter than you, from the most homogenious nation in the world, so hush hush there, my racially mixed friend.

Don’t forget the homogenous reindeer!
on Sat 16 Apr 2011 at 14:40:51 sam

@herneith: hush hush, that is the super secret of our intelligence!
on Sat 16 Apr 2011 at 15:10:50 Herneith

@sam:

http://curiousanimals.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/nice-reindeer.jpg

Jakko the all knowing!
on Sat 16 Apr 2011 at 15:30:15 King

@ Hernieth

Hey, there’s that DOPEY reindeer again with the popsicle brain!!!!
on Sat 16 Apr 2011 at 15:41:46 Herneith

@King:

I beg to differ. He’d give Einstein a run for his money!
on Sat 16 Apr 2011 at 19:45:34 gregg

@pete

Actually it is the collective body of race realist white supremacist vermin who have a nonfalsifiable conviction in the ultimate superiority of the anglo saxon/slavonic ‘races’ i.e.whites
http://www.schonemann.de//pdf/81.pdf

No matter how well blacks perform on tests.your white supremacist vermin would have an explanation as to how
innate white superiority remains intact…that’s how belief systems-in this case white supremacy-work.
on Sun 17 Apr 2011 at 04:47:33 Schwartz

***So much for debate***

Herneith,

In fairness. I don’t see much substantive argument in your comment. I’m not surprised it was deleted if you’re simply posting abuse.
on Sun 17 Apr 2011 at 04:51:13 Schwartz

***Originally we were all black and still are, we just happen to have this mutation in our genes, which makes us look as white. ***

Sam,

If it was simply a case of groups having different skin colour, then it wouldn’t have any implications for medical treatment or clinical research. Nor would it matter where you got a bone marrow transplant from.

I suspect that your comment about being familiar with biology, genetics etc is based more on delusion than reality.
on Sun 17 Apr 2011 at 06:31:29 King

“If it was simply a case of groups having different skin colour, then it wouldn’t have any implications for medical treatment or clinical research. Nor would it matter where you got a bone marrow transplant from.”

Schwartzie, you HBD types have got to stop trotting out that tired old show pony. Bone marrow transplants hardly work when dealing with members of your own family.

That hardly makes a case for proving race.
on Sun 17 Apr 2011 at 06:59:06 zek j evets

Herneith,

Haha! Thank you for that spirited and awesome comment! =)

But of course, he’ll find a way to weasel out of his own double-standards. That said, I actually do published his comments. Just not ones that are merely a link to his blog. And pete DID post 5 repeat comments of spam. Unfamiliarity with Blogger may be the case, but either way, providing a “fair debate” ain’t my job when it’s MY blog. But I do it anyways.

Oh, and I’m going to steal the comment you left for a possible bonus post ; )
on Sun 17 Apr 2011 at 22:53:13 Pete

“And pete DID post 5 repeat comments of spam.”

I did not post 5 identical comments. Blogger has an upper character limit – it is 4096 characters per post. My comment on your post was more than 14 000 characters. How do you suggest I publish it as ONE comment?
None of what I wrote was spam – anyone who cares to see the link I provided above can make sure of that. (BTW, I am not promoting my blog as I do not have any – I specifically created a blogger profile so I can post just this one comment).

“providing a “fair debate” ain’t my job when it’s MY blog. But I do it anyways.”

No, you do not and that’s the whole point. You are just a hypocrite. Who apparently thinks that comments supporting his postition but containing only insults are ‘spirited and awesome’. Talk about double standards.
on Tue 19 Apr 2011 at 00:30:09 Herneith

Who apparently thinks that comments supporting his postition but containing only insults are ‘spirited and awesome’. Talk about double standards.

But Pete, it was awesome. Here’s why; it breaks down the HBd claims in a few sentences, when it takes them reams upon reams of copy and paste, selective quotes, etc., etc, ad nauseaum. This is HBd in a nutshell, higher intelligence=smaller peckers. Lower intelligence=bigger peckers. Guess what 95% of men would choose if given a choice and an opportunity for a leg over? I can assure you it ain’t brains. You just have to look at the penis enlargement pills, gadgets etc, which is a trillion dollar industry, not to mention Viagra. Higher testosterone =darker skin, lower testosterone=lighter skin. This HBD is just a bunch of chest thumping a-holes, trying to do the horizontal mambo on a regular basis, but failing miserably. Hence their clarion call to arms or is it penis pumps? Whatever the case may be, it all boils down to mens’ sexuality and competition for some tail. Higher intelligence is small comfort when you are suffering from blue balls on a regular basis!
on Mon 25 Apr 2011 at 06:39:15 The N-Word (part 1) « Unamusement Park

[...] For example, according to black blogger abagond (the same blogger who obliviously kicked off an attempt to discredit race realist science by plagiarizing and misquoting me, with a picture of four black torture-rape-murderers), blacks do [...]
on Sun 3 Jul 2011 at 11:03:01 Unamusement Park » Blog Archive » A confederacy of dunces

[...] abagond (“500 words a day on whatever I can rip off”), eager to give his own take on the race realism/race denialism controversy, has “summarized” some of Zek’s ignorant, hateful, anti-scientific garbage in his Monday post, and the first of my two rebuttals of said garbage in his Tuesday post. [...]
on Sun 3 Jul 2011 at 15:15:08 Unamusement Park » Blog Archive » The N-word (part 1)

[...] Yes, the same abagond who obliviously (I hope…) kicked off a pathetic attempt to discredit race realist science (by plagiarizing, selectively editing, and misquoting me) with a [...]
on Mon 4 Jul 2011 at 00:55:03 Franklin

Can you please ban Unintelligent already, because he’s just plugging his worthless blog and littering your site with his spam. But I know once you do, he’ll predictably go into “See?? He just couldn’t handle me! So he blocked me like I said he would! Meaning, everything I say is right!” Martyr Mode. Like your average incorrect racist/idiot does.
on Sun 26 Feb 2012 at 08:00:25 V-4

Question about IQ; since they basically alter it over time to make sure that one hundred represents the average of the population more so than it innately being “an average”.

Doesn’t that mean that someone who got a hundred on it back in the 50′s might only have gotten a 90 today?

If so; and IQ’s are genetic, than why are black people getting “smarter” so to speak?

I mean; shouldn’t they just be getting consistently lower on the IQ tests and not maintaining?

Also what about black people being more “innately” violent, violence against black people has dropped around 73% since the early nineties and I assume that since most murders are committed by black people and most of the time that was against fellow black people.

That it would be reasonable to go with the idea that they were the ones committing most of the violent acts against themselves.

But if black people are innately violent than why would the percentage be dropping by such high amounts?
on Sun 26 Feb 2012 at 14:58:51 abagond

Because genes are like a biological computer program: different inputs can give different outputs.

For example, when people from India move to America and then have children those children are often taller than they are. Same genes, different environment.

Or: The height of Japanese men have gone up markedly since the 1940s.

Or: In the early 1900s the American government measured the skulls of Jews in New York. It was afraid that Jews were mentally defective and therefore would always remain in the slums of New York as an underclass. It wanted an excuse to keep them from coming to the country. But to their surprise it was found that the longer a Jewish woman had been in America, the more the shape of her child’s skull was like that of a native-born White American.