The black brute stereotype (1870s – ) is one of the pictures white Americans have in their heads about black men: as savage, violent, amazingly strong and not caring about right and wrong. Black men rape and kill for no reason. They cannot control themselves. Whites do not believe that every black man is like that, but they think plenty of them are.
Willie Horton, Emmett Till and Rodney King were all seen in this light. It is why Susan Smith could blame a black man for killing her children and be believed: because black men are like that: they kill for no reason, even children!
It is why whites are afraid to walk alone in black neighbourhoods: some black man might jump out of nowhere and rape or kill them. They especially like to rape and kill complete strangers at night. It is why whites cross the street to the other side – just to be safe! As if savage killers cannot cross the street too!
When a white man kills someone, white people ask, “Why did he do it?” But when a black man kills someone they do not ask why. They already know: because he is black.
As stereotypes go, this one is pretty new: it did not arise till the 1870s, after the black slaves were freed. As slaves they were seen as simple and childlike. Once freed, they were seen as being wild and out of control.
So if blacks were not kept in line by terror and lynchings, black men would freely rape white women. What, after all, would stop them? This became the stated excuse for Jim Crow – to protect pure white women against savage black men. When Congress tried to pass a law against lynching, white Southerners blocked it in the Senate for just this reason.
As it turns out, of all the blacks who were lynched only about one in seven was guilty of raping a white woman. In the case of Emmett Till all he did was call a white woman “Baby”. That was enough for her husband and her brother to kill him, a 14-year-old boy – and get away with it.
The true brutes in Jim Crow times were white men. They raped far more women, black and white – and, in the case of black women, got away with it. They were the ones who carried out the lynchings – which were far more savage and frequent than anything blacks had the power to do.
And even today blacks are three times more likely to be physically threatened, harmed or killed because of their race than are whites. So this idea of whites as peaceful and blacks as threatening to whites is not rooted in fact. It is rooted in something else.
Yes, there are black men who are violent and savage, who do unspeakable things. But there are white men like that too. In either case, they are hardly common enough to reasonably determine one’s ideas about the ordinary people of either race.
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Once again Abagond you touch upon a topic that reverberates throughout the black community. The media is an effective tool that has fueled the stereotype of brutish black men, so much too the point that even (yes even) some black people are beginning to fall victim to this belief. I am married to a black man, a man that was raised in the hood, and saw it all growing up. He is not the violent product of, but the product despite his situation. He is the most gentle, kind, slow to angry person that I have every encountered and it is frustrating that people (white people) will still give him a wide berth when we approach. It’s sad and disgusting that those individuals are so very blind to their own indoctrinations.
Formerly known as musiq
Excellent post Abagond.
What is sad or ironic about black men being lynched for raping or sleeping with white women is the fact that there are now so many interacial marriages and relationships between BM&WW.
I noticed the way that whites would cross the street when they came across black men when I was a teenager. In Montreal I saw something different. The white people in Montreal did not act as if every black male on the street was going to rob them.
Abagond, I saw a special on the History channel about how cocaine was outlawed because it was believed that it turned black men into brutes.
BeautyinBaltimore
I saw that same exact special! My husband and I watched it together and could only shake our heads in wonderment. To this very day wm are the predominate users and abusers of cocaine.
Compared to much older stereotypes of Black women by whites, the black male stereotypes are relatively new and gets far more press attention than any others. Maybe because we live in a male-dominated society or is it something else.
Steph
I think it is the strongest of the stereotypes and by far the most damaging, not just in Jim Crow times, but even now.
It is the strongest because it is based on fear.
Deep down whites know that if a black man bashed in their brains it would not be completely undeserved. Even in their blindness, they know the history of this country, they know it was built on a crime and they know that crime has never been made right. Even Pat Buchanan has to know that. All the whitewash in the history books cannot cover over the ugly fact.
I’m a whitey cracker offay honkee, Abagond Noname. If a Negro bashed my brains in I wouldn’t think I deserved it. Just for the record. I’m pretty sure I speak for all my white associates. Ite.
I did not say they would think they deserved it but that they would not think it was completely undeserved. A much weaker statement.
Maybe whites are even more profoundly blind to race than I think, but what I am saying is that much of the fear they have of black men comes from their knowing, somewhere in the back of their minds, that America has been built on crimes against black people.
I think the facts on todays race crimes are inacurate. In fact I believe more whites are attacked because of race or otherwise by blacks then the opposite. now alot of these may be general muggings and robbings and not have to do with a hatred for the white victims , but would you rather rob an old weak white person or mike tyson? so it is racially motivated crime to a point. the fact is these things probably went on post civil war as well. now it should have been handled better than jim crow laws. but what do you think hungry freed slaves did to survive? they probably robbed as they do today. in fact they say alot of the cowboys from the old west were in fact black have you ever seen that movie posse. now lynching and hangings shouldn’t have been done but black people today need to stop attacking white people as well.
Most crimes done by blacks are against other blacks.
This idea that most black men just wait for their chance to kill and rob white people, that they have no morals and that only fear of the law (or lynchings in the old days) is what keeps them in line, is all part of this stereotype.
It is why whites are afraid to walk alone in black neighbourhoods: some black man might jump out of nowhere and rape or kill them.
Yeah, what a wildly implausible scenario.
Silly whites, believing their lying racist eyes.
“To this very day wm are the predominate users and abusers of cocaine.”
Black people are the predominate users of crack cocaine and white people of the powder kind. That is why the punishment for crack is much more draconian for that of cocaine.
“but would you rather rob an old weak white person or mike tyson”
The question should be: would you rather rob an old weak white person or an old weak black person. That is the point of the stereotype: not all black men are brutes.
The truth is, that a white man walking in a black neighborhood is probably the SAFEST person there. And the one most likely to be stopped and questioned by the police. What is he doing there? Buying or selling drugs, missionary work, social worker, visiting a black girlfriend (okay, that might get him jumped), etc.
The person most likely to be killed or raped or robbed in America is a black person. That’s why there is such a shortage of black men: they’re killing each other. White people are pretty safe, except from their own white acquaintances.
“They especially like to rape and kill complete strangers at night. It is why whites cross the street to the other side – just to be safe! As if savage killers cannot cross the street too!”
ROFL! I always wondered why people do that. It’s so pointless.
Besides, why bother crossing the street? If they really wanted to kill you, they’d just shoot you. I’m sure they can get you from the other side of the street.
And most violent crimes (except rape) are actually committed in broad daylight.
come on abagond, you said in your “article” that whites are still victimizing blacks more than vise versa which is untrue. no one ever said that white people are getting beat up by every black person they walk past. but when it comes to interracial crime more blacks commit it -bottom line. especially the crime against old people and women. that is just dispicable. You even said if a person got thier head bashed -in in comment #5 above me -they would feel like they deserved it somehow. you are a sick individual.
“The truth is, that a white man walking in a black neighborhood is probably the SAFEST person there.”
That’s just about the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2009/04/14/news/doc49e3cff8d6d54928171033.txt
This is just one example, but I have seen dozens. Note especially the irony:
‘One person yelled, “This is our neighborhood, white boy”’
‘Police do not know why the group surrounded the car or fought with the three roommates’
Statistics show that there is vastly more black-on-white violent crime than white-on-black. If you don’t think that a white person in an all-black neighborhood is a target, then you’re ignorant of the reality of the situation. Of course I can’t blame you, since the media seriously downplays black-on-white crime.
Do you know that recently, a group of four black men severely beat a white man in an attempted robbery ON A PUBLIC BUS in France, the entire incident was captured on video, and the French government forced all French internet providers to take the video off of their sites?
I’m not suggesting that blacks are inherently violent or criminal, but it is a fact that black violent crime is a serious problem in urban areas in America and Europe, and much of it is directed at whites. No politically correct media source will admit it, nor will they admit that many of the crimes are probably racially motivated. But when I see a statement like the one you made, I feel the need to correct this widespread ignorance.
Let a white man go into an all-black urban neighborhood thinking that he is the safest guy there, and he will learn the hard way that he isn’t. I’d rather we educate to prevent these kinds of incidents than deny the truth to avoid trampling on the delicate sensibilities of the PC crowd.
According to US Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, 2005 (the pdf is online), there were 111,590 white victims and 36,620 black victims of rape or sexual assault in the US in 2005. In the 111,590 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was white, 44.5 percent of the offenders were white, and 33.6 percent of the offenders were black. In the 36,620 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was black, 100 percent of the offenders were black, and 0.0 percent of the offenders were white. (The table explains that 0.0 percent means that there were under 10 incidents nationally.)
Quite a disparity, isn’t it. Even before taking into account the fact that blacks are ~12% of the US population, while whites are ~66%.
And keep in mind that the US government isn’t exactly in the business of inflaming racial tensions by baseless stereotyping. On the contrary, they try to conceal the inconveneient truths. That’s why, for example, there aren’t separate statistics for Hispanics, but they’re merged with whites instead — in order both to inflate white crime numbers and to cover up high Hispanic criminality.
“Statistics show that there is vastly more black-on-white violent crime than white-on-black.”
The rates are 17.2% and 10.4%, respectively. Considering that whites are a much larger portion of the population (75% versus 12.3%), that is actually surprisingly low.
“In the 36,620 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was black, 100 percent of the offenders were black, and 0.0 percent of the offenders were white… Quite a disparity, isn’t it.”
Here we go with the rape statistics. You found those here, right?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus05.pdf
I know those statistics. They are accurate. It doesn’t mean that it proves your point. Let’s parse the statistics in that file.
Yes, it is quite a disparity. Don’t you wonder about that? Do you really think that 36,620 black women were raped in America and less than 10 of those cases were attributed to a white assailant? Do you really think that? Really?
Did you know that there are 117,000 black woman/white man married couples in 2006? Did you know that those rape statistics include spousal rape? Do you not think that “less than 10″ of 117,000 women reporting spousal rape would be a suspiciously low number?
Remember: those statistics are based on REPORTED rapes, not on actual crimes. Rape is under-reported (54.8% aren’t reported to the police) and rape of black women is grossly under-reported (only 17.1% reported).
And did you know that a white woman is more likely to report a rape if it is committed by a black man? There’s a simple reason for that: most rape is acquaintance rape (friends, family, dates, coworkers, etc.). Most white womens’ acquaintances are also white. Therefore, when a white woman is raped by a black man that man is overwhelmingly a stranger. Rape by a stranger has a very high incidence of reporting (for white women, 42.7% of reported rapes were by strangers, even though 85% of rapes committed are by acquaintances).
Contrast that with the reporting of only 5.8% of rapes of black women by strangers. Do you really think that white women are over 7 times more likely to be raped by a stranger than black women are? Really? Or could it be because black women are less likely to report a rape, regardless of the assailant?
Here’s another interesting calculation:
There were 111,490 white women raped out of an estimated population of 118,927,477 That means that 9.37% of white women reported being raped.
For black women (36,620/37,909,341) the rate is 9.66%.
In other words, even though black women are a much smaller portion of the population (and therefore less likely to be found in any given location) they are more likely to be raped.
This doesn’t even take into account that many of the white victims are Hispanic.
And here’s another statistic:
For every white woman that reports her rape, at least 5 white women do not report theirs; and yet, for every African-American woman that reports her rape, at least 15 African-American women do not report theirs (Bureau of Justice Statistics Special Report. Hart and Rennison. 2003. U.S. Department of Justice).
The simple truth is: black women don’t report rape. And if they do report it, it’s less likely to be prosecuted. And if it’s prosecuted, the case is less likely to result in a sentence of guilty. And if the assailant is found guilty the punishment is much lower than if the victim is white.
It’s open season on black women, folks…
Here’s a prime example of what happens to a black girl that reports being raped by a white man (or in this case, white men).
Remember Megan Williams, the black woman who had this done to her:
http://whyblackwomenareangry.blogspot.com/2007/10/black-west-virginia-rape-victim-was.html
They plea bargain their way out of it. Then she gets charged with writing a $32 hot check to Dominoes. I kid you not.
http://www.dailymail.com/News/200802280238?page=1&build=cache
Remember: those statistics are based on REPORTED rapes
No, those statistics are based upon an annual DOJ crime victimization survey which I would agree has quite a few issues. It has been used and misused by many people including White Supremacists and Tim Wise. (obviously they are not in agreement..) In my opinion It should only be used as a very rough guideline for crime in the US.
What’s clear from the survey at least is that most rape is intraracial so when you say “It’s open season on black women, folks…” statistically speaking black men are very likely to be the perpetrators in regards to rape. Likewise if you were say “it’s open season on white women..” it’s more common for the assailant to be a white.
They plea bargain their way out of it.
No they didn’t “get out of it” they were sentenced to prison, although I would agree the sentences were too light.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan_Williams_case
In February 2008, Alisha Burton and George Messer both plead guilty to assault and kidnapping and were sentenced to 10 years each.
On March 13, 2008, Karen Burton, one of the women involved in the attack, was given one 10-year sentence for violation of civil rights and two 2-10 year sentences for assault. She was the only person involved that was charged with a hate crime. Frankie Brewster received 10-25 years for second-degree sexual assault. They had both pled guilty in exchange for reduced sentences. Carmen Williams, Megan’s mother, expressed frustration that they had not received life sentences, which is the maximum penalty for kidnapping.
Bobby Brewster plead guilty to second-degree sexual assault, conspiracy to commit kidnapping and malicious assault. He was sentenced for 13 to 40 years in prison in July 2008. Danny Combs will stand 20 years for conspiracy to commit kidnapping. He plead guilty to sexual assault, assault during the commission of a felony, and conspiracy to commit kidnapping or holding hostage in September 2008.
why are you defending these criminals because they share your skin. it is rediculous WE ARE ALL HUMAN. I can’t hold you accountable because some blacks kill some whites unless you’re doing it. just like you can’t hold me accountable for the few whites who were slave masters, traders, etc. because I share the skin of the few oppressors. now if I told you that more whites were killed by blacks since the start of the iraq war than by all iraqis and afgans since 2001 should I be like abagond and say “well if a white man bashed in the head of a black man the black man should feel in the back of his mind that it is somehow justified” because of the violent crimes committed by blacks? you have to know that these views are poisonous. look it really shouldn’t matter but I’ll prove my point this way. I am half irish and half italian. all of my ancestors came through ellis island anywhere from 1880 and 1945 depending on which side of my family. so by abagonds way of thinking me being white I am comdemed by the black militants anyway even though I have no genelogical ties to any slave master. you guys have to see though this poison. he is bringing up old news to stir up new racist thinking against white people. YOU DONT KNOW ALL WHITE PEOPLE so you can’t make the generalizations that abagond does. most black people problably have more of the actual slave masters in thier family trees than most white people . we all need to stop this it breeds hate and thats why all these white people are getting attacked.
The only time it is right to bash in someone’s head is to save your own life or those of the people you are protecting. No one “deserves” it. No ancient crime can make it the right thing to do, not even slightly.
On the other hand white people in America have an OVERBLOWN fear of black men and, yes, even of poor black neighbourhoods. It is not based on a close reading of the numbers on crime, not mainly. It is based on racist fears and, yes, even racist guilt in a backwards kind of way (the point I tried to make about “not completely undeserved”).
Your family may have come to America long after the slaves were freed, but in the process of becoming a white American you picked up the white feelings about black people and some of those feelings do go back to slave days.
you just proved my point with those foolish old tired remarks that I have heard a million times. YOU DON’T KNOW ME so there is no way that you could ever know about my views just from the color of my skin and you’re still doing it . you don’t know my mom or dad and the same views that are pressed on me in america are also pressed on you from the media. in fact in recent times hatred of white people are more accepted in my opinion because of the fear of white executives getting sued by civil rights attorneys none of whom see dollar bills in thier eyes if the victim is white. it is only when the victim is black that they feel like they won the fucking lottery. in fact I blame these white greedy lawyers and the greedy white media who care nothing for the poor white people in this country then black people. but your views are helping to build a hatred for white skin that i believe is like a raging forest fire in this country. are there white racists? sure but I believe there are systems in place like the NAACP and other groups to combat against that.
I do not blame present-day white people for the slave trade and all that. When I do bring it up it is to explain how white people are now. White people did not fall from the sky: they come from a particular history that has shaped them. Some of what they do only starts to make once when you look at that history. This stereotype is a good example of that.
Dave: I do not know you. When I talk about “white people” I mean in general, not every single one. They are not a race of robots or brainwashed zombies. Each one is different and yet there are some things most have in common.
I may watch the same television but I will bring my own experiences and point of view to it.
The “sytems in place” are decidedly wanting.
I am not trying to build a hatred for white people. I am trying to understand them.
I see what you are saying and I apologize if it seems I am coming on a little strong. but this is something I feel very strongly about I think when you say the history has shaped them. who is them- do you mean my Italian grandfather who came to this country when he was eight years old and his dad died while they were on the trip. and he had to get a job at twelve years old to help support the family and worked his fingers to the bone until he was 75 laying bricks. or my irish grandfather who had no hip and walked with a cane who died before I was born so I didn’t know him. but he worked as a machinist in a factory 12 hours a day. I know these people didn’t fall out of the sky and they shaped my personal history. you need to stop generalizing all whites who you know nothing about.
white people in America have an OVERBLOWN fear of black men and, yes, even of poor black neighborhoods. It is not based on a close reading of the numbers on crime, not mainly.
Abagond I have lived in predominantly black neighborhoods and I have to say based upon my experiences and that and other whites I knew who lived in those neighborhoods.. there is justified fear. It’s not of the 63 year old plumber who used to live next door to me nor of the guy who ran across the street to help me stop a paint scaffolding from falling down, nor the older women I used to see returning from church.. no those were all good people who were also black. It’s from the times I heard things like “Get the fuck out of my neighborhood white motherfucker” or when I had people scream at me when they driving down the street or on occasion when people would throw their trash at me or when I was struck in the face with a block of wood that left a permanent scar. I have other stories I could tell you about or that of friends or acquaintances… There are, of course, bad white people, but when I have lived in black neighborhoods I felt sometimes like there was a target on my back. FWIW murder statistics (and these aren’t from surveys..) indicate blacks commit at a rate 7 times higher than whites. This falls heavily upon other black people but do you think it’s possible that other forms of violent crime might also be higher as well..?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/tables/oracetab.htm
Uncle Milton, try being a black person in a majority white neighborhood (or country, for that matter). I spent 5 years in Texas. The fear is justified.
“those statistics are based upon an annual DOJ crime victimization survey which I would agree has quite a few issues.”
I stand corrected.
“What’s clear from the survey at least is that most rape is intraracial so when you say “It’s open season on black women, folks…” statistically speaking black men are very likely to be the perpetrators in regards to rape.”
The open season was referring to ALL men, black, white, and other. BTW, according to numerous other surveys, the “open season” refers even more to mixed-race, Asian, and Native American women. Rape of white women is the most reported (to police and by the media) and prosecuted of all.
“No they didn’t “get out of it” they were sentenced to prison, although I would agree the sentences were too light.”
Too light? That is the understatement of the century. The maximum sentence for 1st-degree sexual assault in WV is 25 to life. Not a single one of them got that. And they can be paroled.
And why in the world were they plea-bargaining when the case was so watertight? I mean, she was discovered by the police, she was nearly beaten to a pulp, and she had to have major surgery to repair her bits, she’d been abused to badly. And they plea-bargained?! If the accused had been black they would have re-instated the death-penalty, extra-special.
Some black commentators have accused the public prosecutor of plea-bargaining because he’s racist but I think the truth might be more troubling: he’s pragmatic. He doesn’t think they’ll get a tougher sentences if he goes to court so why waste taxpayer’s money?
And the fact that the prosecutor charged her with bouncing a check WHILE SHE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL awaiting surgery is unspeakably cruel. And a statement in itself.
My point about the rape statistics is that I’m tired of hearing about “poor white women” that everybody’s raping: they live in fear, they carry pepper spray in their purses, they cross the street when a black man approaches them, etc. It’s minority women who are the most likely to be raped, not white women. The difference is that nobody CARES.
“The “sytems in place” are decidedly wanting.”
Okay. Now THAT is the understatement of the century.
“Uncle Milton, try being a black person in a majority white neighborhood (or country, for that matter). I spent 5 years in Texas. The fear is justified.”
The fear of what? Not getting invited to a party?
“I am not trying to build a hatred for white people. I am trying to understand them.”
Then you should probably do more asking and less telling.
“In other words, even though black women are a much smaller portion of the population (and therefore less likely to be found in any given location) they are more likely to be raped.
This doesn’t even take into account that many of the white victims are Hispanic.”
Yes, and many of the “white” perpetrators are Hispanic too. Given the rate of poverty among Hispanic “whites” and the correlation of poverty with both criminality and victimization, it seems plausible that a disproportionate amount of both the “white” victims and perpetrators are Hispanic.
You also ignore the fact that while black women are much more likely to be victims of rape, statistics show that “white” men are not the ones committing these crimes.
abagond Says:
“When I talk about ‘white people’ I mean in general, not every single one. They are not a race of robots or brainwashed zombies. Each one is different and yet there are some things most have in common.”
I think it is a very bad habit. From childhood, it was instilled in me not to make generalizations. It annoys me every time I hear someone speak in monolithic terms.
“it seems plausible that a disproportionate amount of both the “white” victims and perpetrators are Hispanic.”
Which would mean that the percentage of white women who are raped is even more inflated.
“You also ignore the fact that while black women are much more likely to be victims of rape, statistics show that “white” men are not the ones committing these crimes.”
I don’t ignore that fact. My beef was with the “In the 36,620 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was black, 100 percent of the offenders were black, and 0.0 percent of the offenders were white.” statement. It’s obviously false. The % of WW raped by BM is inflated and the % of BW raped by WM is under-reported. That doesn’t change the fact that most rape/crime is intra-racial but it does effect the debate about interracial crime.
Is it under-reported by 37,000?
fear of black people, well im not going to lie, i live in Sweden ( quite peacefull country compared to USA ), but if id meet a gang of black males at night id feel more uncomfortable than if i met a gang of whites.
To Black&German:
They plea bargain their way out of it. Then she gets charged with writing a $32 hot check to Dominoes. I kid you not.
http://www.dailymail.com/News/200802280238?page=1&build=cache
There’s no reference to a check to Dominoes in the link above. I can tell you that in several states arresting someone for a bounced check does not require a prosecutor. I did find an article on a blog that referenced it and said the charge had been dropped.
Uncle Milton, try being a black person in a majority white neighborhood (or country, for that matter). I spent 5 years in Texas. The fear is justified.
You have my deepest sympathies if you were harassed and/or assaulted in Texas as I was when I lived in Oakland. My point to Abagond was that for a white person to have fear while being in a black neighborhood was not irrational.
My point about the rape statistics is that I’m tired of hearing about..
You mean you only hear about white women being assaulted and not black women being assaulted..? I have seen multiple articles on the matter…that rape is more common for black women.. and the perpetrators are almost all black men. As we both agree most rape is intraracial. How should this information be brought to the public’s attention..?
Too light? That is the understatement of the century.
How would you have liked me to phrase it..? I would also say the sentence for Dan White.. the man who murdered a mayor (Moscone) and council member (Harvey Milk) of San Francisco was too light. (He received 7 years..)
Frankie Lee Brewster served 5 years previously (another plea bargain) for murdering an 84 year old woman:
Mrs. Brewster, convicted of voluntary manslaughter, served five years in the fatal 1994 shooting of an 84-year-old woman who the police now say was her mother-in-law.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/13/us/13captive.html
Abagond:
Deep down whites know that if a black man bashed in their brains it would not be completely undeserved.
That’s a stunning statement from you Abagond….so would this give me the right to objectify 20 plus million Americans because and bash in a random black man’s head because a small portion of people who shared the same phenotype were vicious and on a few occasions assaulted me..? I mean in your words it would appear not completely undeserved.
To Black & German:
Re: The inbreeds from West Virgina
“Mrs. Brewster, convicted of voluntary manslaughter, served five years in the fatal 1994 shooting of an 84-year-old woman who the police now say was her mother-in-law.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/13/us/13captive.html”
My point with this.. since I didn’t follow it up is that this prosecutor’s office seems to dole out plea bargains pretty easily.
To Black&German:
Besides, why bother crossing the street? If they really wanted to kill you, they’d just shoot you. I’m sure they can get you from the other side of the street.
So.. I guess you’ve never been a victim of a mugging or attempted mugging then. The majority of muggers don’t use a gun…and a fairly common technique is for someone to knock you down as you pass them. IE not crossing the street makes this form of mugging possible. Crossing the street gives you time.. time to think how to respond and react. And by the yes.. I have crossed the street and had someone come after me.. but since I already had a lead on them and I was able to outrun them.
Racerealist said:
“Uncle Milton, try being a black person in a majority white neighborhood (or country, for that matter). I spent 5 years in Texas. The fear is justified.”
The fear of what? Not getting invited to a party?
Wow. And you wonder why people get upset at the things you say.
Uncle Milton:
Your comment about living in a black neighbourhood as a white person (#26) was excellent. Thank you!
Racerealist said:
“I am not trying to build a hatred for white people. I am trying to understand them.”
Then you should probably do more asking and less telling.
I wish it was that easy, but most whites are pretty blind when it comes to their own racism. But writing about white people and then reading their comments about it has been an eye-opening education for me.
Uncle Milton said:
Abagond:
“Deep down whites know that if a black man bashed in their brains it would not be completely undeserved.”
That’s a stunning statement from you Abagond….so would this give me the right to objectify 20 plus million Americans because and bash in a random black man’s head because a small portion of people who shared the same phenotype were vicious and on a few occasions assaulted me..? I mean in your words it would appear not completely undeserved.
See comment #21 where I said this:
The only time it is right to bash in someone’s head is to save your own life or those of the people you are protecting. No one “deserves” it. No ancient crime can make it the right thing to do, not even slightly.
The point of this post is not to excuse black crime (I am not – crime is crime) but to explain why whites have an overblown fear of black men, even given the crime numbers, as bad as they are.
The point I was trying to get across with my badly stated example of bashing in heads is that part of the fear is based on white guilt about living in an unjust society.
i just want to say this i work with the most friendly black people that are some of the best people white or black that I have ever met. black people have thier bad apples but they also have great human beings all I am trying to prove here is so do white people.
I look at it this way I live near philly and obviously i’m a phillies and an eagle fan. our biggest rival is the newyork mets and the newyork giants. now if the mets had a kind person on thier team I wouldn’t care I would concentrate on the mets I didn’t like. I think its the same way with white and black people they talk about the bad apples in both respective races and ignore the good.
Deep down whites know that if a black man bashed in their brains it would not be completely undeserved.
I wonder if that’s what Eugenia Calle thought in her last moments. And for all I know, she might have.
Although a sheltered white liberal, she wasn’t an idiot — she was a prominent cancer epidemiologist. It should have been obvious to her that Shamal Thompson made a very improbable luxury condo buyer. And yet, she invited him to her apartment and refused help from the guard. “I don’t want him to think that we don’t trust him,” she said.
Better dead than racist. That is the racial cowardice that is killing us (whites) both physically and civilizationally.
“You have my deepest sympathies if you were harassed and/or assaulted in Texas as I was when I lived in Oakland. My point to Abagond was that for a white person to have fear while being in a black neighborhood was not irrational.”
I’ve never personally been afraid of white people but then I don’t really look black so they tend not to notice me (although I’ve been sexually harassed for being a “senorita” and been told to “go back to Mexico”). My father and my cousin do and they were harassed on a regular basis. There was a KKK outpost near where we lived that would beat the crap out of a random Mexican or black guy every couple of months. Just so we wouldn’t forget about them, I guess. There was also this while we lived there (OMG, just saw that it’s happened AGAIN)
http://www.workers.org/2008/us/texas_1106/
I think it depends on the neighborhood. My parents (my mother’s white) live in an upper-class black neighborhood in Maryland. She’s very safe there. Now… South-East Washington DC is another story. But EVERYONE (black, white, brown, etc.) is unsafe there. Even the black people lock their doors when they drive through there.
“As we both agree most rape is intraracial. How should this information be brought to the public’s attention..?”
I have no idea. I don’t think they want to know about it.
“My point with this.. since I didn’t follow it up is that this prosecutor’s office seems to dole out plea bargains pretty easily.”
Perhaps it’s financial? Maybe they don’t have the money to prosecute the cases? Felony trials cost a small fortune.
“I have crossed the street and had someone come after me.. but since I already had a lead on them and I was able to outrun them.”
Okay, I didn’t consider muggings. I’ve never been the victim of any crime except interpersonal ones. Okay, those are still crimes but they just don’t seem as bad as something involving a stranger. But maybe that’s what’s wrong with black women?
“Better dead than racist.”
I’m sorry, but that seems to be very naive of her. I would never let a perfect stranger into my house when I’m home alone. I’m even afraid of plumbers and taxi drivers. But maybe life has made me cynical.
I’m sorry, but that seems to be very naive of her. I would never let a perfect stranger into my house when I’m home alone.
Yes, exactly. You’re black, so you have no qualms about being wary of a suspicious-looking black person. My point is that neither should whites.
Allow me to clarify what I think nonserviam meant – black people have no qualms about being wary of suspicious people, but certain brainwashed white liberals feel bad about being wary of suspicious people if those people are black.
Correct me if I’m wrong, nonserviam. I just didn’t want someone to take your comment the wrong way and start an unproductive accusatory tangent.
Yes, that’s exactly what I meant. I wasn’t aware of any ambiguity in my comment, but thank you.
My larger point is that white racial guilt over the injustices (real in the past, imaginary in the present day) done to blacks is the poisoned spiritual source of the Western civilizational suicide. Which means that, unless it is confronted and overcome, we are done for. That’s what makes the race realism, even though it’s descriptive rather than normative, so important.
Ted Bundy rpaed and killed over 30 white women, some he confessed to and others he would not fess up.
But when that man was in court, instead of treatng him like the nasty monster he was, there were many white women falling in love with him and many people felt sorry for him!
Now if a black man attacks somebody it’s different!
Shows you how twisted and nasty the so-called “superior white race” really is.
They have told so many lies over and over again, no rational person would believe a word they have to say at all!
The only brutes I see in this world are “white people.”
They are sociopaths and they lie so damn much!
Whenever a non-white criminal does somehting
white people talk about right and wrong.
But when a white criminal does something
the white people glorify the white criminal
and butter up the image of the crime.
Making statements like, “Oh he killed 25 people
but he sure did have a hiqh IQ.”
or “White people are smart because they don’t get caught doing crimes.”
Sounds like the white people expect a
trophy whenever a white criminal is mentioned.
But when that man was in court, instead of treatng him like the nasty monster he was, there were many white women falling in love with him and many people felt sorry for him!
Now if a black man attacks somebody it’s different!
Nope… there are many examples of women falling for black men in prison also. It’s a bizarre phenomenon and probably a reflection with America’s obsession with fame and crosses racial lines. In China they make you wear your a sign describing the crimes as you want to your place of execution. There is basically little description of the criminal’s himself but mostly of their deeds and victims. For capital crimes they put a bullet in the back of your head.. up until a few years ago they charged the criminals’ family for the cost of the execution.
Bullshit, you whites glorify white criminals and try to butter up their image and then you turn around and talk about right and wrong!
The white supremacists love to complain and say that all of the “pure white women” are being attacked by black men, while the white men rape and commit crimes and never get in trouble for it!
http://www.freewebs.com/sherriceiverson/
I remember the Strohmeyer case,
the white man that raped a little girl
claimed that he was “mentally ill.”
The first thing whites do when they commit crime and get arrested is try the insanity defense and then they blame anything but themselves for their actions.
Ted Bundy tried the same “I’m crazy” bullcrap.
I remember the Sherrice Iverson murder.
That’s funny, David Duke and the other whites like to say that interracial rape where the white man is the perp NEVER happens.
The “superior white people” claim that black women are not raped by white men because black women are unrapeable.
If black women are “unrapeable” why did that nasty freak follow that little girl into a public restroom and strangle her over the toilet seat?
I’m sure many women get attacked all the time, but because the “superior white people” said that black women are unrapeable, no one believes them.
http://www.freewebs.com/sherriceiverson/
Whites always hide the crimes they commit and they only broadcast what non-white people are doing. They don’t bring up Ted Bundy and the other white rapists, they always repeat the black male rapist stereotype!
Whites just can’t live without their lies and stereotypes!
They glorify and praise serial killers like Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy putting them on T shirts and in movies.
And then they turn around and try to say that black men are the brutes and rapists!
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/bundy/index_1.html
Um to the last few people who posted … are you the same person? Because you have an uncanny knack for stereotyping massive groups of people based on a few so-called “members” of said group.
What the hell do white serial killers have to do with anything? There’s obviously something wrong with these people and everyone knows it. Despite the depravity of their acts, their stories are so twisted they are hard to ignore. How do they reflect on whites as a whole? Not at all.
Seriously, I find race relations to be fascinating and I read a lot of forum boards to get a better perspective on how things are going … and (warning, I have to generalize a bit here) it seems to me that blacks often segregate themselves, and pin all the blame for their troubles on the ambiguous “evil white man”. By the way some people talk about such topics, so sure of their inaccurate views, it makes me think they have been brainwashed.
As for other things being discussed, I’m not particularly afraid of black men … but I’m a pretty big guy and through athletics (wrestling, football) I have come to understand they are no more dangerous than anyone else. However, there is such a thing as “mob mentality” that sort of takes over when you’re in a group of peers or even strangers bearing similarity to you.
It’s ignorant to fear blacks on sight, but careless to throw caution to the wind, especially when dealing with a group of people who are (obviously) probably going to dislike you the instant they see you.