Toccara Jones (1981- ) is an American model and television person. She was on “America’s Next Top Model”, Tyra Banks’s television show, where she came in eighth in 2004 in season three. That was the same season Eva Pigford came in first and YaYa Da Costa came in second. She wants to become the world’s first thick black supermodel.
Although she came in eighth people remember her. She was the opposite of what is often considered to be beautiful – white and thin – and yet she beat out half the women there. She tied Eva Pigford on the show in the number of times she won cover girl of the week.
The fashion industry has this certain idea of what is beautiful, but it almost comes from another world. Toccara Jones is still beautiful and yet she is much more like the women you see in everyday life. She is from the world we know, not the world of stick women that the fashion industry has created for itself.
Women like her because she is more like themselves. She is called a “plus-sized” model, which means overweight, but that is what most women are! On top of that, she is proud of her size!
Men like her because she has huge breasts, most of all, as well as for her figure, her pretty face and her smile. Well, black men at least: she has appeared on the cover of King magazine (twice), but never Maxim.
She is 1.75 metres tall (5 foot 9) with a weight of 82 kilos (181 pounds). Her breast size is 38 DDD (97 cm). Some call her fat, but speaking as a man she looks great the way she is. And more like women I know, which makes her seem better somehow.
As she puts it:
Every man wants some meat on his girl’s bones. Ain’t nobody want a bone except a dog, and they bury them.
In addition to her beauty, she is charming and lively and says it like it is.
I knew I would write about her sooner or later, but it became sooner rather than later when I saw how many people were coming to my website looking for her. I have never seen anything like it. There is an unmet demand for her and women like her.
When she first tried out for “America’s Next Top Model” they told her no. But later she came back and told them they had made a mistake, that they need her: “I’m big, black, beautiful and lovin’ it”. They changed their minds.
Although she came in eighth, Wilhelmina signed her up as a model. She modelled in fashion shows and appeared in magazines. She made the cover of King in 2006.
She also came back to television. She was on “Celebrity Fit Club”, a fat farm reality show. She lost a good deal of weight and looked great. She lost interest in losing more weight, but then the judges told her she was still fat!
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Mon 8 Oct 2007 at 01:42:02
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Mon 8 Oct 2007 at 01:48:00
[...] jv0010 wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptToccara Jones (1981- ) is an American model and television person. She came in eighth in 2004 on the third season of Tyra Banks’s television show, “America’s Next Top Model”. That was the same season Eva Pigford came in first and YaYa … [...]
Thu 27 Dec 2007 at 14:32:09
l must be the only one that left
Commemt toccara do your thing
On 2004 next top model u where
My favorite because u have heathy
Meat on your bones.
Thu 7 Feb 2008 at 09:03:59
I loved Toccara! I think young girls need more women like her to look up to because, as you say, she is more representative of what “real” women look like.
Thu 7 Feb 2008 at 12:53:23
I agree.
Fri 15 Feb 2008 at 05:40:56
Wowzers! She is certified SEXY! always been cute but now has the body to back it up! love her!
Sat 15 Mar 2008 at 00:32:31
She looks good slim and trim she
Problely sitting on some 24 inch rim
From all shows and adds .toccarra did
But ms.jones got better thing 2 do
Wit tha cash.
Tue 18 Mar 2008 at 09:17:49
She look so fine i would marry he omg she is so sexy
Fri 21 Mar 2008 at 07:06:00
hey girl i see the efort your doing you got my support girl hang in there dont quit
Fri 21 Mar 2008 at 07:06:33
still fine
Fri 21 Mar 2008 at 22:21:40
I jst want to say dat u look good the way you are dont loose no weight i like em thick and if i wasnt 15 jst no u at da top of my list
Mon 24 Mar 2008 at 03:37:01
she acceptable, but no way near as nice as fame is making her out 2 b
Thu 27 Mar 2008 at 18:36:13
i think you do not need to loose weight i like girls with a little meat on their body and if i was nine years older you will be my next i will always love you.
Fri 28 Mar 2008 at 17:40:08
If you cant see how FINE this lady is, your an idiot.Did you see KING MAG?? OMG,AMERICAS NEXT TOP MODEL?? OMG.Toccara i dont know why your on CELEBRITY FIT CLUB!! your oh so FINE.Look at that body and face.I can go on all day DONE!! FRESNO CA. HAS YOUR BACK!!!!
Fri 28 Mar 2008 at 17:41:14
BLK KATDADDY IS BLIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Toccara is FINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
Sat 29 Mar 2008 at 12:43:33
If Black Katdaddy thinks Tocarra is just “acceptable”, I would sure like to know who he does like.
Sun 30 Mar 2008 at 19:59:29
Well I’m a 44 year old White Guy and I think she is the Hottest Woman that I have seen in years. Great Body, Great Face, Wonderful Atitude/Personality. She Is The Total Package
Give The Meat To The Man, And The Bones To The Dog…..
Wed 2 Apr 2008 at 12:24:58
Damn baby, every since I saw u on america’s next top model, i fell in love. I said damn it is about time we had a thick girl on the show. I practically adore you. I have pictures of you all over my wall cause you just so damn fine. I would be more than a pleasure to hear back from you, if i could think of the perfect dream women, she couldn’t even come close to you. Keep doin ya thing baby, shake dem haters off.
Fri 4 Apr 2008 at 18:31:00
Beauty should be about looking good the way you are naturally suited to be. Being comfortable and secure in your own skin rather than torturing yourself to become something you are not allows a woman’s true sexiness to shine through. Some women look good thin, and some women look good thick. Not everyone can carry curves like that, just as not everyone can be a size 2 without looking like they are on death’s doorstep.
Toccara looks phenomenal exactly the way she is. She is without a doubt one of the sexiest women alive not just because of her killer curves and her beautiful face, but also because she does not apologize for who she is and does not attempt to be anything or anyone else. Simply amazing.
Fri 4 Apr 2008 at 18:34:00
Very well said.
Fri 25 Apr 2008 at 22:47:27
you are bomb girl! you are exactly what a supermodel should look like!
Sun 27 Apr 2008 at 19:26:23
Nice Rack, but she needs to lose about 40 pounds to be really stunning, mostly in her ass.
Mon 28 Apr 2008 at 08:35:49
Sorry, her ass is great the way it is.
Tue 29 Apr 2008 at 02:38:52
Perfect!
Fri 6 Jun 2008 at 19:43:11
!!!Felicitaciones !!! Congratulations!!!
Eres super, me has dado fuerzas para seguir adelante con mi meta.
Fri 27 Jun 2008 at 03:58:23
MISS JONES WAT UP,YOU HAVE A COOL STYLE,I LIKE YOUR STYLE,THANKS WITH THE BET
LOVE
MAX
Fri 27 Jun 2008 at 03:59:30
I WANNA SAY THANKS SO MUCH WITH THE BET,I REALL LOVE YOU SO MUCH
LOVE
MAX
Sun 13 Jul 2008 at 19:03:28
This woman is soooo beautiful. I watch her as she was promoted to team captain on the celebrity battle, she is so fine..
Thu 31 Jul 2008 at 12:35:16
OK Gal u are hot but where can I get you despite the reality that there is always the best
Mon 8 Sep 2008 at 17:48:05
Saw some recent pics of her. Lost a lot of weight. Too bad.
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Wed 29 Oct 2008 at 06:51:55
whats up tj i see u became a star like u always said when we were at stivers back in the days. I just wanted to say I c u boo.
Wed 19 Nov 2008 at 22:06:44
Toccara Jones looks stunning in her pictures. I love toccara jones. She is such a hot chick and looks amazing in her photos.
Wed 10 Dec 2008 at 12:47:57
Toccara Jones,I wonder how tempting you were and you will be expectially in your night gown! you are toooooo muuuuuuuch
Tue 20 Jan 2009 at 01:32:43
duh Alexander she will look amazing.!!
Mon 16 Feb 2009 at 21:48:03
i like toccara but she did come off as arrogant to me. when she came back for the reality “celebrity fit club”, she started complaining how the judges saw her fat. i mean if she liked her body the way it is, she shouldn’t have came back and started yelling at the judges for no reason. the judges said that she was on the border of being unhealthy but it’s not like they wanted her to be a size 2. they wanted her to have a healthier lifestyle. you can have curves and still be healthy. and people thinking that that’s how women should like then you’re wrong because it’s dumb to say “this is what a real woman look like” when a lot of women don’t have that kind of body. but in the end, she looks great and proud of who she is and that’s what i like about her.
Mon 16 Feb 2009 at 22:31:28
I do not think she was arrogant. I think she and the judges had a different idea of what “fat” is. She was going by how her figure looked – and I agree with her, at that point it looked fine – but the judges were going by her weight, probably her BMI. That is why they disagreed.
Tue 17 Feb 2009 at 06:36:50
She is very arrogant. In every interview, she’s talking about how beautiful she is. Even on ANTM, she was arrogant and if a thin woman was like that….
Wed 18 Feb 2009 at 01:29:42
but they know about being healthy. she may thought she looked fine but the judges felt if she didn’t take care of herself then she could have health problem. she was the one that took it the wrong way and it’s not like they said she needs to lose 15 pounds or anything but stay in shape. i do like her but she does come off as arrogant to me. and i agree with anon.
Sun 15 Mar 2009 at 12:59:34
hey there,to all those fellas who like skinny women women with flat asses and no boobs,i think you have repressed homosexual tendencies.A WOMAN SHOULD LOOK LIKE A WOMAN.IM AFRICAN,AND JEEZ,I LOVE THEM THICK With bodies just like miss jones.please keep being yourself toccara
Thu 26 Mar 2009 at 22:31:00
osiris stop being so damn ignorant. not all skinny women have flat asses and no boobies. if a man want skinny women, that doesn’t make him gay or anything. women are women regardless of what shape they are.
Fri 27 Mar 2009 at 17:19:01
Thanks for the clarification lil’vina,i do know that not all skinny women have have flat bums,thats why i said “SKINNY WOMEN WITH FLAT ASSES”Candidly i think our society now has typified the beautiful woman to be tall,skinny and thin,while in infact a womab can have a lil flesh here and there and be beautiful.Examples abound aside Toccara.Should i mention names of such women i admire?well,kate winslet,Jennifer lopez,beyonce Knowles,and if im permitted Eva mendes to name a few.And ill say it again, A WOMAN SHOULD LOOK LIKE A WOMAN.
Wed 1 Apr 2009 at 01:34:07
well women that may have flat asses ARE WOMEN! people like you crack me up with this “this how a woman should look like” or “a woman should look like a woman”. as long as she got a vagina, lol, then she is a woman. i know people may think i brag about this too much but i’m not gonna sit here and people trash talk thin women just to give thicker women the confidence that they need. so osiris, a woman is a woman regardless of what she looks like.
Wed 1 Apr 2009 at 03:31:08
Orisis, who are you to say what a woman should look like. A woman looks like whatever GOD created her to look like. Women come in all colors, SHAPES, sizes and you don’t have the authority to classify who is less of a woman and who is not. So, you’re telling me that Adriana Lima does not look like a woman? Or Stacy Dash? I’m thin, and I know that I’m a realy woman. Come on, man! These ignorant comments are very upsetting.
Wed 1 Apr 2009 at 20:16:33
At anon(comment 44)Im sorry if i upset anyone here,candidly i didnt intend to.For lil vina,you sound kinda mad at me.Imnot trying to talk trash thin women.Im just being honest.NATURALLY WOMEN ARE CURVY AND HAVE THE RIGHT CONTOURS IN PLACES WHERE MEN HAVE LITTLE FLESH.SHOULD I REEL OUT NAMES AGAIN?
1.KATE WINSLET
2.JESSICA BIEL
3.J.LOPEZ
4.EVA MENDES
5.BEYONCE
6.SOPHIA VERGARA
7.VIDA GUERA.
Need i go on?whatever you say vina these are my kind of women and candidly if a fair poll was taken,these women will be on the hot 100 of most authoritative magazines or websites.Maybe its just me,but im not quite attracted to thin women with bodies similar to men(flat in front and flat behind)JEEZ!
Wed 1 Apr 2009 at 20:24:47
Wow, you stepped your foot in it now!
Your mistake is not that you like women with some curves. I am with you on that one. But that you said it is what a woman SHOULD look like since otherwise they would look too much like a man. So when thin women read that they read it as saying they are not true women.
Wed 1 Apr 2009 at 23:48:16
Just because a woman is thin DOES NOT mean that she has a body similar to men. I’m sure you’re not perfect. You don’t see women go around proclaiming that a man’s not really a man because he maybe short, or have man boobs or hips, or lacking in a certain region.
And no, if you survey men, they will be attracted to different body types. Like I said, you’re not the authority. You do sound very ignorant though.
Men like you – thick women can have ya!
May I reel out the names?
Stacey Dash
Adrianna Lima
Gabrielle Union
Sade
Aishwayra Rai
Lede Keybe (Ethiopian Model)
Iman
All of the countless models
Rappers are using thin women in their videos now.
There’s too many to name
Thu 2 Apr 2009 at 02:57:01
osiris i’m not getting mad but i don’t agree with what you said about thin women. thin women are women and don’t look like boys just because they don’t have the features you like in a woman. if a man want to be with thin women then that’s who he is attracted to and likes to be with and doesn’t see them as boys or not woman enough. not all women are gonna have curves whether you like it or not but it seems that people like you will never get that because you’re too concerned if she has a big butt or not. jessica biel is thin and doesn’t have a big butt but she does have curves as well. you can’t tell what a woman should LOOK LIKE because we all comes in different shapes and sizes. i agree with anon with the women she named. the women are thin but have a nice shape to them and don’t come off as manly looking. call thin women flat asses and no boobies all you want but i see some guys with the women that have no boobies and flat asses. you can like thick women but i think what you said sound ignorant.
Thu 2 Apr 2009 at 03:53:56
Well abagond,i guessim in trouble now.MY APOLOGIES TO ALL THIN WOMEN IF I HAVE OFENDED ANYONE OF THEM!Ill still go for my curvy women any day though.Thankfully even a coupleof the thin women on anons list are curvy and have some resonable amount of meat on their bones,thats is where needed though e.g.Gabrielle Union,Aishwarya Rai and adraina lima.@lilvina are you very thin?
Thu 2 Apr 2009 at 16:58:49
Don’t be too thankful. Aishwarya Rai and Adrianna Lima are VERY thin, especially in person. Trust me, I’ve seen some of those models in person. Gabrielle Union is also very thin. Yes, what you said is very offensive but thanks for the apology.
Orisis, are you tall, muscular and have all the stereotypical masculine traits?
Like I said, thick women can have guys like you.
Thu 2 Apr 2009 at 17:03:18
Hate to come off so harsh, but SOME, which is a very small percentage, of men’s attitudes toward thin women is horrible. Especially if you believe in uplifting black women because whether the size or shape, we’re all women. It just seems that extremely attractive guys who have a lot going for them, don’t spend a lot of time putting WOMEN down. Because they don’t have to.
Thu 2 Apr 2009 at 17:44:37
I hate ignorance no matter what the form. Whether it’s a white supremists putting others down for how they look or their culture saying that they resemble monkeys, people putting down heavy people for how they look and all the various names that are associated with heavier or thick people AND hating on thin women because of how they look and saying they look like men. It’s all the same. IGNORANCE! You don’t think people in any one of those senerios would be offended by being called those names? A person would have to be VERY insensitive not to see how that could hurt. Next time, stop to think before you speak and don’t be so anxious to put down one group of women to uplift another.
Sorry for the “rant” but at some point all this negativity has got to stop!
Thu 2 Apr 2009 at 22:59:00
anon i agree. all this ignorance needs to stop because all it does is hurt people but most of all you’re hurting yourself because you choose to put others down just to make yourself feel good. osiris i’m not very thin to the point i have bones sticking out. okay not all thin women look like that and i hate that people want to stereotype skinny women that look like that because we don’t! just like curvy women or full figured women don’t want to be stereotype as being fat. you can’t tell women how they are supposed to look because god created them, he created women not YOU! so who are you to say what women should look like? then you wonder why young women have body issues within themselves because of ignorant comments like that. i have said this so many times, not all women will be curvy, not all women will be skinny. we are DIFFERENT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. we have preferences but why put someone down because they don’t have what you like? is it right? no it’s not! it’s demeaning and disrespectful. like i said before, i guess nobody cares what we say because they’re so concerned to trash us just to make thicker women feel good.
Fri 3 Apr 2009 at 11:29:10
hehehe,well well at anon,I thought this post was about appreciating the traditional look that most African American and black women have,such as that of miss Tocarra.That look being- voloptous!We prefer them thick or curvy & shapy and dont like the stick insects that the white man has made everyone believe is the model of beauty.And yes my dear i wish i could post my pic for all to see but i cant.i have never had problem attracting all shades of women,im 6″4.Im a 3rd Dan black belt holder in Taekwondo and so physically fit and handsome(im not bragging,seriously i am, at least you asked).I have a degree and ill be in the army soon.And please you mentioned the queen of bollywood and the lovely miss union being thin.Well i thought i mentioned earlier that I LIKE A WOMAN WHO LOOKS LIKE A WOMAN.Now Aishwarya rai,is SLIM,so is Gabrielle,but they both got some meat in the necessary places.They are curvy and not manlike.Fine there are guys plenty of them who like THIN women,i even have some as friends,but thats not what this blog is about.WE LOVE THICK,CURY WOMEN!This is my last post here.And call it Ignorance if you like,were you taught that at puberty, the hormones a lady secretes,makes her hips fully,her breasts enlarged and that of man makes him have broader shoulders,deep voice etc.I think we are all entitled to our own opinions and ill say again that a woman should have womanly features.And we all know that speaking of black woman,there is a particular loveliness of form,of their physical appearance that comes to mind and endears them first to mind,aside their Soulfulness and warmth.BYE!
Fri 3 Apr 2009 at 17:33:34
Osisis, there is no sense in trying to reason with someone so unreasonable. I’m sure you’re not the perfect male specimen because if you were, you wouldn’t feel the need to put down others.
And as far as biology, I talking about something far bigger than that, that’s GOD. You can secrete all the hormones in the world but if GOD made women a certain size, so be it. WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE!
You sound like such an idiot and jerk. I’ll say it again, thick women can have you!
And the stick insect reference -really classy just like you.
Glad to end this pointless conversation.
Sat 4 Apr 2009 at 00:26:24
Lil’vina, check out this link, “In Defense of Thin Women”. Though I’m not as thin, and I don’t think you are either, as the women in the article, I think this addresses what we have (seemingly unsucessfully) trying to convey to people.I have found that no matter how sound and reasonable your arguement, people believe what they want to believe to satisfy their own agendas.
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070510/LIFE/705100365
Sat 4 Apr 2009 at 04:35:54
i could care less about osiris because he sounds ignorant and doesn’t have much of a brain. how can you say what a woman should look like when GOD creates them? he doesn’t women to look all the same and if he has a problem with that then that’s his problem. i guess if i called toccara fat, i would be bashed on but if i called eva skinny or she isn’t woman enough, everybody would agree with that. how ignorant. he must be some insecure dude to talk shit about thin women not being “womanly enough”. i hope this ignorant guy don’t come back.
Sat 4 Apr 2009 at 05:05:54
anon i read the article and i agree with everything they said. i feel bad for that girl that was picked on because of how she was shaped. if you look at campaigns that deals with body type issues, all you see is women that has curves but don’t see thin women. yes the fashion world does appreciate thin women and put them as standard beauty but not every woman that’s skinny know what it’s like to be in hollywood. they get bash on their figure and often times people thought i was too skinny. i mean i look fine. i have no bones sticking out. i think it’s bullshit that people want to make curvy women feel good about themselves but when it comes to thin women, it’s, “oh go grab a burger,” “eat something,” “she looks like a boy,” all that other crap. hell times i did the same thing but then i realize, i’m the same size as them. the one thing i did agree with the article is when they said something about men. “they’re going to define what’s attractive as long as they’re not educated. all body types should be accepted.” that’s right because who are men to say what women is supposed to look like. they think about their hormones instead of their hearts. i’m not saying all men are like that but the ones that continue to be ignorant, like my friend osiris, will never get it. the skinny women in hollywood don’t even look real because they’re too being getting airbrushed and making them look fake. i do think it’s sad that society wants to pick on skinny because how hollywood represents them and use that to uplift thicker women and that’s wrong. i wanted to cry after reading that because it’s sickening how people can view someone by the way they look and assume she’s anorexic or not womanly enough. i hope you comment back anon because i want to hear your views and comments about the article.
Sat 4 Apr 2009 at 20:34:57
anon: Good link. Thanks.
Mon 6 Apr 2009 at 03:28:20
Word!
Mon 6 Apr 2009 at 05:04:24
Oh seems i got to step out of the solitude i chose to drop one last comment.you may ask why.Well sum one here said i sounded like a jerk and like i was stupid.Another skeleton said i sounded like i had no brain .Ummm,now was i wrong when i said traditionally,black women are normally curvaceous and voluptuous?
check the link below out.
http://seanyounai.vox.com/library/post/plastic-surgery-for-african-american-women–concept-of-beauty-among-black-women.html
I wonder why lil vina and anon got so defensive and even insulted me.I am not going to respond with isults though.As for what black men like,havent you seen the girls in videos of rap stars and hip hop stars,from lil wayne,to kanye,from game to nelly.They hardy put some bony girls with no hips and boobs or curves in their videos.As for our white brothers who have shoved down the svelte and skinny.What were the slave masters finding appealing in the beautiful slave girls,when they found their way into their cabins to constantly force them into having sex,instead of being with their SINNY wives.well we know the answer-the curves were irresistible.Like shakira rightly said,their hips didnt like.SIR MIX A LOT CAN tell us more about what black sistas got!and what black men like.
i dont care what you are going to say after now,this is my last post.
Mon 6 Apr 2009 at 05:12:33
you said it was your last post but i guess not. like me and anon been saying that you sound ignorant and sexist towards thin women. i didn’t get defensive i just express my opinions about what you said was demeaning towards thin women. black women, skinny or not, were raped towards the slavery days regardless of size. you said “another skeleton said you had no brain.” you were referring to me or anon because i’m no where bony or looking like a skeleton so that right there makes you ignorant. keep believing what you want but skinny women exist and if you didn’t like what i have to say then you shouldn’t have replied back. glad the ignorance will be gone.
Mon 6 Apr 2009 at 05:39:52
Osiris: Anon and Lil’vina know full well what most black men like in women. They do not fit it and that is what gets them so angry.
Mon 6 Apr 2009 at 07:20:21
“Osiris: Anon and Lil’vina know full well what most black men like in women. They do not fit it and that is what gets them so angry.”
Not sure what you’re implying with that statement. You don’t know anything about me. No, we are not angry because our body type does not fit SOME black mens ideal. We get angry because of how vicious and hateful people are when describing thin women.
So let’s make that clear right now. Honestly, as much as I was picked on for my size, it has opened doors (well GOD opened the doors). I am a former NFL cheerleader for a Superbowl winning team, I’ve made money modeling and other things. Not saying that to brag, but you make it seems as if we are some skinny olive oil looking women who hate thick women because they fit into black mens ideals. You wish. I would much rather have those opportunities than to be lusted after by SOME, not all black men. Before you make such judgements about us and think we are angry, you should at least know what and WHO you’re talking about. You don’t know who is on the other end of the keyboard. Lil’vina, I will post my thoughts on the links when I get a chance.
Mon 6 Apr 2009 at 07:26:44
Orisis, I’m done with you. And as far as Sir-Mix-Alot, I don’t need a man like him to tell me what looks good. Mario Lopez – yes, Denzel – yes, but Sir-Mix-Alot?
Mon 6 Apr 2009 at 15:06:16
i don’t where you’re heading with this abagond but the only reason why i get angry when people like orisis make demeaning comments about thin women, thinking it’s okay and it’s not. yes i’m a thin black woman but i have guys talked to me and YES they’re black and not gay, like some would think. i don’t hate on thick women but i don’t like when some want to put us down just because hollywood or society don’t view them as beautiful. i see that but putting thin women down is wrong and hurtful. the reason why i agree with anon because in some ways i can understand where she is coming from. so to say that were angry because we don’t fit what most black men is attractive is crazy to me because half of the time some black men don’t care what a woman looks like or what kind of body she got as long she got a vagina, lol. i’ve seen plenty of black men with thin women but they don’t look like 12 year old or boney women as some would say. i’m not trying to shove people down their throats to force them to see thin women beautiful but i won’t take is someone being disrespectful just because they don’t meet the standards for most black men.
Mon 6 Apr 2009 at 18:29:58
Some of this has been very difficult to read.
I have to say I understand lil’vina and anon’s objections to what osiris said. I, myself am not a perfect male specimen. A little short, no broad shoulders or tight abs. I’d be hurt if I wasn’t considered a real man coz of that.
As much as I do appreciate thick women(n i do appreciate thick women), I can come across a woman some might call thin and find her to be attracive.(nicole scherzinger, vanessa minnilo)
They come in too many different shapes and sizes to just reduce them into 2 categories of thin and thick. Women are diverse in size, attitude and the way they carry themselves. All of which can make her attractive or not.
Mon 6 Apr 2009 at 22:54:11
SFlare, I applaud you, sir! Finally, someone who has enough heart to understand our perspective and with such eloquence and class.
You expressed your attraction to thick women WITHOUT degrading anyone else. This is all the Lil’vina and I have been trying to express. Regardless of what some people want to believe, we have no problem at ALL with whoever a man is attracted to, just don’t demean and degrade other women in the process.
According to you, you may not be the perfect male specimen, but your kindness, empathy and conciousness overshadows whatever you feel you may lack. This is a lot more than can be said for most of the men on this blog. And yes, it would be hurtful if women constantly said that you were less of a man because you’re a little short, or don’t have broad shoulders, ect. It would be demasculating. I feel that men here try to defeminize us, and it is hurtful for some women.
I totally agree with your last statement. We cannot be reduced into categories, we are too diverse for that.
I wanted to give you your own post and let you know that I really appreciate your compassion and grace toward us.
Judging from your comments, your girlfriend/wife is a very lucky woman.
Mon 6 Apr 2009 at 23:15:54
Now, let me ask some men who’s expressed such hate toward thin women a question (except for Orisis, he seems unstable and I want to hear from someone who could provide a half way intelligent response).
What is the purpose for all of the hateful name calling against thin women? Why in expressing your like for bigger women do you have to trash thin women in the process?
As minorities, we should be more united. But men who make these very divisive comments I equate to Willie Lynch in your own way. It’s really no different, you are pitting one group of black women against the other by uplifting one and demeaning the other. What is really being accomplished?
Why do you want to destroy another woman especially a black woman’s self-esteem. I personally am not affected by what Abagond, Orisis and others have to say because I’ve come to far to let some no-name, meaningless cyber men determine my self-worth. But there are some young girls and women with body issues who do not have that insight.
Do you guy’s enjoy tearing others down?
You think that thin women have all of the advantages so you hide behind your monitors get some preverse pleasure into trying to “level” or bring them down a notch.
So, set aside all of your agendas and hate and think about this. And realize this- what comes around goes around. All of the distain you spur toward us is going to come right back around to you.
Mon 6 Apr 2009 at 23:34:28
“i’ve seen plenty of black men with thin women but they don’t look like 12 year old or boney women as some would say.”
That’s true. I have dated a couple of football players (college and later professional) who have NO problem with me being thin. And they are men who are steroptypically the eptiome of masculinity (at least physically). My point is, that if those football players did not say mean and nasty things to me about my size, who are these men to try make me or ANY WOMAN feel bad about our selves and the way that we look. I’m sure Lil’vina or any other thin women have no problem with attracting a man.
Truthfully, this entire blog is so one-sided. As Lil’vina stated, if someone said all of the appalling things about
Tocarra or other thick women, there would be an outrage.
Tue 7 Apr 2009 at 01:45:51
yes anon you’re right. it is like the willie lynch letter. the letter that he wrote still goes on because you have the light skins against the dark skins, black women against black men and so on. uplifting thick black women and then go around and bash thin black women is demeaning and degrading. like anon said i’m not gonna let some cyber men that i don’t know or don’t see put me down because of my size. we’re all women and that’s what me and anon been trying to say. it clearly shows that the ones who bash thin women must have insecurities with themselves because no man should be calling them names. and yes this blog is one sided because like i said so many times nobody wants to look at a thin woman’s point of view when she is judged but let a thicker woman say what she feels everybody wants to be on her side. then talk trash about thin women and say how they are the standard of beauty. yes they are but what give people the right to be mean towards women that’s thin because not all thin women are in hollywood. plus i like what s flare said because i see short men as real men. i could care less about height. as long you taking care of responsibility and doing what you have to do then you are a man. if a woman carry herself with confidence regardless of how thin or thick she is, that’s attractive. all i say is people should look at the other way around instead of being so one sided all the time.
Tue 7 Apr 2009 at 02:31:07
oh yeah anon you never told what you thought about the post of skinny women you put up. i wanted to hear your thoughts about it.
Tue 7 Apr 2009 at 05:02:16
Sure. It will be a long post, so I will post something later.
Also, it’s like crickets in here now. We must have made some very valid points because for once, no one has anything to say.
Maybe they do have a conscience after all.
Tue 7 Apr 2009 at 05:11:21
You have made your points way more clearly than you have in the past. That helps a great deal.
Speaking for myself, I never intended to bash thin women, though I admit that some of what I said could be taken that way. That is my fault. My words were directed not against thin women but against the Hollywood idea of beauty.
Tue 7 Apr 2009 at 05:15:06
I would not call this blog one-sided. Yes, my posts are one-sided because they express my opinions. That is the nature of a blog. But in the comments I think I have given other points of view the space to express their opinions at great length too.
Tue 7 Apr 2009 at 12:16:38
When I look at black women that look like this,its no wonder white women are losing
the prime white boys to black women.
The skin complexion and body shape is so much better on women of color and Im a Blonde haired blue eyed white dude saying this..I love these women.
Thu 9 Apr 2009 at 02:01:55
Lil’Vina, I finally have time to give you my accessment of the article. In essence, it encompasses everything that we have been trying to say.
“For women to react to a binding stereotype propelled by the media by insinuating women should be another opposite stereotype is unfair — not to mention extremely damaging to women’s psyches. Backlash against restraining ideals manifested onto fellow women is not the answer.
“Women should support other women in the issues. They shouldn’t attack,” said Sonneborn.
This quote is one of the most important quotes in the article because all of the hate toward thin women is based on overcompensating in the other direction against “media’s ideal” therefore bashing normal (women who have nothing to do with this industry) in the process. More often, women do this against thin women. Like, I noticed just with us, very few, if any thick women have raised concern over the harsh tone toward thin women because I think that they may enjoy the put downs. I know if it were the other way around and thick women were being bashed on a blog, I would say something.
What I don’t get is why men are so harsh, except for SFlare. Men are supposed to have a protective nature with women, but some of these men are just as CATTY and b***** as women.
So, there is somewhat of a backlash because of the percieved advantages that thin women have.
Also, I agree with when she says that the names aimed toward thin women are just as hurtful as if aimed toward thick/bigger women. The only difference is that people are far less empathtic toward thin women and don’t stroke us when were down. Sometimes I think thick women complain about their treatment knowing that people will be empathtic and shower them with compliments. If we do the same, people are like “we’ll you’re the ideal in the media” or as abagond stated before, “I’m not going to cry for this skinny women”, ect.
This was a great article. The thing that I like the most is when she said, “I love my slender figure now”.
Thu 9 Apr 2009 at 02:06:09
One more thing, I also noticed that the rap industry is changing their views toward thin women. The VERY popular term “model chick” is in almost every rap song. And video girls are becoming thinner. The most beautiful video girl I have seen is the girl in Jay Z’s “Excuse Me Miss” video. And there are so many other girls like her. I think that they are evolving and are more open to all types of women, which is good.
Thu 9 Apr 2009 at 09:14:18
after reading what you said anon, of course people are gonna get sympathetic for thicker women because of how they are looked at but let a thin women get picked on, it’s the other way around. and i think it’s bullshit. excuse my language but it’s sad how people can praise something just because someone is not looked as being beautiful but bash another because they’re so caught up with the media saying what’s beautiful. women should be uplifting each other and not get caught up by some sexist fools that don’t know a damn thing about beauty! some men can be just as bitchy and whiny just like women, in my opinion. and not be to mean but i think the thick women that must love to bash on thin women are insecure with themselves and think it’s okay to trash us for no reason. sorry but i’m not gonna get all sad for thick women that likes to pick on women that don’t look like them because they don’t know how to love themselves. with rap videos, lately i see diverse because they have the curvy women but also thin women as well and they look good! that’s what we should see is different body types instead of the same thing. as for abagond, the way i see it is that he attacks the media but go around and say, “i’m not going to cry for skinny women when society favors them”, which is wrong. you can say one thing but say something completely different. as if skinny women aren’t suppose to exist in this world. reading that article made me realize how much of a double standard is going on right now, especially on this board.
Mon 13 Apr 2009 at 23:30:07
Who’s calling her fat? Jealous stick figure women? HAHAHAHAHAHAH! She’s the hotNESS. I would kill for her body and height…
Tue 14 Apr 2009 at 05:34:30
Jealous?! Uh, no. Not even a little. Sorry. To me, Adrianna Lima is the hotness.I would want Adrianna’s body and height.
Nice try, though.
Tue 14 Apr 2009 at 16:02:57
no jealous stick figure here. i say she looks good the way she is and beautiful at that. i prefer to look like myself because i think i have a great body. not too thin but healthy looking because there are a lot of thin women that do have meat on their bones and don’t look like skeletons, that some like to stereotype.
Fri 22 May 2009 at 21:43:58
i think she looks amazing – she looks the best curvey. i dont see her as arrogant – you have to have confidence and sometimes over confidence in our society if you don’t fit a certain standard of beauty. you need the extra ego to make up for all of the bashing women like her get on a regular basis. you never see woman like this much in main stream media. whats out there is thin. whats acceptable is not what real women look like. she wants people to know that you dont have to be thin to be beautiful. this sentiment is something that is not reinforced in our society. society tells us all day that women need to be thin to be considered attractive. this is absolutly not true and toccara helps to confirm it. she is a beautiful woman
Sat 23 May 2009 at 01:38:19
belezza, sometimes she does come off as arrogant but hey that’s just me. society may show that thin is beautiful and that’s how women should look but people need to stop using it as an excuse. not every woman can look like the women in vouge but not all women can look like toccara jones. as i said before beauty comes in all shapes and sizes so people as a whole shouldn’t be judging someone based on their bodies.
Mon 25 May 2009 at 03:55:46
We would not even know who Toccara was if she was not “arrogant”. No modelling scout from Elite or Ford was going to discover her walking down the street at age 15 and sign her up: her body is all wrong for that.
Tue 26 May 2009 at 23:02:17
@abagond,i cant find a post i made here the last time,where i droped a link where mario lopes(an ideal man of someone here)said he didnt like thin women.Are you deleting some of our stufs now?
Tue 26 May 2009 at 23:31:49
If I do not delete your comment in the first 24 hours then I let it stand. And if I do delete it it is because you violated my comment policy.
As far as I can tell this is the only link you have dropped on my blog:
http://seanyounai.vox.com/library/post/plastic-surgery-for-african-american-women–concept-of-beauty-among-black-women.html
That is from comment 61 above.
Wed 27 May 2009 at 01:13:14
and when did mario said he didn’t like thin women?
Wed 17 Jun 2009 at 04:15:01
I this is not thee finest women in the world she is diffently in the top 5. I mean with all due respect to sista Banks (Who I am a huger fan of) I watch America’s top Model just to see Toccara.
Wed 17 Jun 2009 at 04:18:09
Now I am old school so if this was the 70’s when I was a teen, Her poster would diffently,(by respectable means only) be on my wall.